Canada Awarded 7 More International Tournaments

The IIHF has awarded Canada 7 more international tournaments.

The World Junior's will be held in Canada in 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2021. (Along with next year and 2012)

The Women's Championship will be in Canada in 2013, 2016 and 2020.

Here's the link: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=10556.html?cid=rsstsn

Cool. WJC is a great tournament, exciting and a good chance to see promising soon-to-be NHLers (and 1-2 guys who are just draft eligible that year). The timing means that it doesn't conflict much with NHL either so I think a lot of people watch.

Canada is a great place to host it too. If I recall, last/this year's (as in, Jan 2009) tournament had 90%+ attendance at all games, 95%+ at most, and 100%+ at Canadian games.

The NHLPA thread got me thinking: is the WJC as big to Euros as it is to Canadians?

Cool. WJC is a great tournament, exciting and a good chance to see promising soon-to-be NHLers (and 1-2 guys who are just draft eligible that year). The timing means that it doesn't conflict much with NHL either so I think a lot of people watch.

Canada is a great place to host it too. If I recall, last/this year's (as in, Jan 2009) tournament had 90%+ attendance at all games, 95%+ at most, and 100%+ at Canadian games.

The NHLPA thread got me thinking: is the WJC as big to Euros as it is to Canadians?

LOL. No. They do not care about it which is why it is always held in Canada.

Good to hear. The atmosphere at the last World Junior's was unbelievable.

All these tournaments one better be held in the Maratimes. My god if their all outwest or in Ontario. We should just separate ourselves from watching it

All these tournaments one better be held in the Maratimes. My god if their all outwest or in Ontario. We should just separate ourselves from watching it

I do not want to hear whining from any other area in Canada until Toronto gets to host the World Juniors. It is a joke that we still have not held one.

People argue that we do not support junior hockey but I do not care. This is an international tournament and would be supported by us. How many other cities are supporting 5 pro teams? That's right we are the only city doing that at the moment.

Put one in Sudbury, Ontario please. ;)

The NHLPA thread got me thinking: is the WJC as big to Euros as it is to Canadians?

I don't have any numbers to back it up but I feel WJC's is almost as big as or even bigger than WC's in Sweden now. It has steadily been gaining popularity while WC's has gone the other way.

Svt's TV Ratings last WJC in Quebec were fantastic even though the games were late at night.

LOL. No. They do not care about it which is why it is always held in Canada.

Yup, junior sports in general aren't very big here, except maybe football's Euro/World championships. Plus it doesn't help that the WJCs are allways so poorly televised (coverage wise).

LOL. No. They do not care about it which is why it is always held in Canada.

I wouldn´t neccesarilly say that we don´t care about it. But it is the coverage of the tournament is close to null in Europe.Although I think that is starting to change. 2009 was the first time that the WJC was aired in Slovakia and the quarterfinal/semifinal was watched by a few hundred thousands of people which is a great number considering its population. I think 2 million people in Sweden watched the final. But it is true that for example the Czech TV didn´t show the tournament at all.

I do not want to hear whining from any other area in Canada until Toronto gets to host the World Juniors. It is a joke that we still have not held one.

People argue that we do not support junior hockey but I do not care. This is an international tournament and would be supported by us. How many other cities are supporting 5 pro teams? That's right we are the only city doing that at the moment.

Do you think the acc would be sold out for all anada games.Plus get real good crowds for non canada games.

Yes to Canada games and I do not know about the other games. I would hope the crowds would be good.

Yes to Canada games and I do not know about the other games. I would hope the crowds would be good.

Do you go to any major jr games.

So basically Canada gets WJC's every other year. With it being in Buffalo in 2011, that's basically Canada as well.

Boring news.

Nobody cares about the women and the IIHF seems to have given up on trying to push the world juniors anywhere but Canada.

Boring news.

Nobody cares about the women and the IIHF seems to have given up on trying to push the world juniors anywhere but Canada.

I would not say no one cares about womens.IT does get good crowds in canada.

hamilton should get one!! :P

hamilton should get one!! :P

I can't see toronto and hamilton getting one.Maybe share a tournemant would be the ideal thing.

What city is next years WJC in?

WJC is the absolute BEST international tournament outside of the Olympics.

Yes to Canada games and I do not know about the other games. I would hope the crowds would be good.

Toronto had great attendance for the Canada - Sweden game at the start of the tournament and that was an exhibition game. It's worth remembering that day the GTA was hit with a crazy winter storm that slowed the city to a crawl and they still hit close to a capacity crowd.

Hoping St.John's Newfoundland gets to host one of these tournaments.

I do not want to hear whining from any other area in Canada until Toronto gets to host the World Juniors. It is a joke that we still have not held one.

People argue that we do not support junior hockey but I do not care. This is an international tournament and would be supported by us. How many other cities are supporting 5 pro teams? That's right we are the only city doing that at the moment.

Define support. The Marlies are 4th last in the AHL in attendance.

Even more relevant to talk of the Juniors....Missisauga and Brampton are both at the VERY bottom of OHL attendance every year.

Toronto had great attendance for the Canada - Sweden game at the start of the tournament and that was an exhibition game. It's worth remembering that day the GTA was hit with a crazy winter storm that slowed the city to a crawl and they still hit close to a capacity crowd.

Awesome game and an awesome day!

That blizzard was insane! I took the GO Train in from the burbs so the weather didnt hinder my experience at all. Got tickets the day of the game and was able to stand up all game long and yell ****.

It was the best experience I have ever had at the ACC!

Cool. WJC is a great tournament, exciting and a good chance to see promising soon-to-be NHLers (and 1-2 guys who are just draft eligible that year). The timing means that it doesn't conflict much with NHL either so I think a lot of people watch.

Canada is a great place to host it too. If I recall, last/this year's (as in, Jan 2009) tournament had 90%+ attendance at all games, 95%+ at most, and 100%+ at Canadian games.

The NHLPA thread got me thinking: is the WJC as big to Euros as it is to Canadians?

I can say that probably 90-95% of Americans don't even know there is a world junior hockey tournament. The Olympics are probably the only tournament the entire populus gets behind, and even then the level of support pales in comparison to Canada.

I don't live in Europe but if memory serves, the 2007 tournament in Finland seemed to have more Canadian fans in the crowd than anyone else, even the hometown Fins. Perhaps that's a clue as to what the Euros think about the tournament, but I don't know.

I don't mean to offend or start and argument but I don't think it's appropriate for Canadians to brag incessantly about their record is in the juniors considering they almost always get to host it, and even when they don't they still appear to have a sizable home ice advantage. I guarantee in 2011 in Buffalo there will be more Canadians in attendance than Americans, as it seemed to be in 2007 in Finland. All I hear all the time is "we've won five straight." Well of course you have given the sizeable home crowd advantages, if you hadn't won I'd have been surprised. I'm not saying Canadians should be ashamed of or punished for being the only country that really gets up for the juniors, kudos to them, but I'm sure playing in front of friendly crowds every game is a factor in Canadian success. In other tournaments where that advantage is missing (such as the worlds and the Olympics, Canada's success rate is far lower). Again, not trying to pick a fight, but it's just a thought on this Monday morning!

I can say that probably 90-95% of Americans don't even know there is a world junior hockey tournament. The Olympics are probably the only tournament the entire populus gets behind, and even then the level of support pales in comparison to Canada.

I don't live in Europe but if memory serves, the 2007 tournament in Finland seemed to have more Canadian fans in the crowd than anyone else, even the hometown Fins. Perhaps that's a clue as to what the Euros think about the tournament, but I don't know.

I don't mean to offend or start and argument but I don't think it's appropriate for Canadians to brag incessantly about their record is in the juniors considering they almost always get to host it, and even when they don't they still appear to have a sizable home ice advantage. I guarantee in 2011 in Buffalo there will be more Canadians in attendance than Americans, as it seemed to be in 2007 in Finland. All I hear all the time is "we've won five straight." Well of course you have given the sizeable home crowd advantages, if you hadn't won I'd have been surprised. I'm not saying Canadians should be ashamed of or punished for being the only country that really gets up for the juniors, kudos to them, but I'm sure playing in front of friendly crowds every game is a factor in Canadian success. In other tournaments where that advantage is missing (such as the worlds and the Olympics, Canada's success rate is far lower). Again, not trying to pick a fight, but it's just a thought on this Monday morning!

Canada plays on home ice for 90% of their games, regardless of the tournament or location.

Fans is a pretty weak excuse for why other teams arent winning. It doenst matter if you have fans in the building. And it doesnt matter if fans from a certain country care about a tournament.

I can say that probably 90-95% of Americans don't even know there is a world junior hockey tournament. The Olympics are probably the only tournament the entire populus gets behind, and even then the level of support pales in comparison to Canada.

I don't live in Europe but if memory serves, the 2007 tournament in Finland seemed to have more Canadian fans in the crowd than anyone else, even the hometown Fins. Perhaps that's a clue as to what the Euros think about the tournament, but I don't know.

I don't mean to offend or start and argument but I don't think it's appropriate for Canadians to brag incessantly about their record is in the juniors considering they almost always get to host it, and even when they don't they still appear to have a sizable home ice advantage. I guarantee in 2011 in Buffalo there will be more Canadians in attendance than Americans, as it seemed to be in 2007 in Finland. All I hear all the time is "we've won five straight." Well of course you have given the sizeable home crowd advantages, if you hadn't won I'd have been surprised. I'm not saying Canadians should be ashamed of or punished for being the only country that really gets up for the juniors, kudos to them, but I'm sure playing in front of friendly crowds every game is a factor in Canadian success. In other tournaments where that advantage is missing (such as the worlds and the Olympics, Canada's success rate is far lower). Again, not trying to pick a fight, but it's just a thought on this Monday morning!

Playing in canada does come with more presure for the most part.Sure when your doing well the crowds are great and teams can thrive on that.But if your not doing well the large crowds can turn on you.Even for some of these young players to play in front of 20,000 fans can put them off there game.When it is in canada you can't really get away from it and that alone can get to you in some cases.

I don't mean to offend or start and argument but I don't think it's appropriate for Canadians to brag incessantly about their record is in the juniors considering they almost always get to host it, and even when they don't they still appear to have a sizable home ice advantage.

Canada has hosted eight of 33 world junior tournaments and won four of those. I don't know in which universe that becomes almost always getting to host it, or a sizeable home ice advantage but I'm guessing the bizarro one.

This is all very predictable whenever Canada has the kind of success it's having at the junior level. Whenever Canada wins, it's a boy's tournament, meaningless and no one else cares. Until, of course, they win.

This is all very predictable whenever Canada has the kind of success it's having at the junior level. Whenever Canada wins, it's a boy's tournament, meaningless and no one else cares. Until, of course, they win.

You completely ignore that it's also the other way round whenever Canada fails at something. Suddenly certain Canadian fans talk about how completely unimportant a tournament is, even though they couldn't brag more about winning it the year or two years before...

If someone asks how important the WJC is in Europe and they get the honest answer that the public doesn't care one bit about it, then there is no conspiracy against Canada at work, it's simply the truth. The tournament never was of big interest to anyone in the hockey world, it's just a junior tournament. It's not like the Canadians were that much into it before the infamous brawl between Canada and the Soviet Union.

You completely ignore that it's also the other way round whenever Canada fails at something. Suddenly certain Canadian fans talk about how completely unimportant a tournament is, even though they couldn't brag more about winning it the year or two years before...

If someone asks how important the WJC is in Europe and they get the honest answer that the public doesn't care one bit about it, then there is no conspiracy against Canada at work, it's simply the truth. The tournament never was of big interest to anyone in the hockey world, it's just a junior tournament. It's not like the Canadians were that much into it before the infamous brawl between Canada and the Soviet Union.

I have to agree 100% with this one. I see it all the time- when Canada loses a tournament, it seems like Canadians either try to: (1) downplay the tournament's importance; (2) play the "we didn't have our best players" card; or (3) claim to have been the better team despite the loss. Good examples include this year's world championships for both genders. The USA won the women's worlds and the Canadian response was, "Nobody cares about women's hockey." This is far cry from Canada's taking so much pride in having won both the men's and women's gold in 2002. And this year's men's worlds is barely over and already I'm already hearing "We didn't have Brodeur, Iginla, Vinny, etc." from the Canadians. An even more complete example is this year's men's U-18's, won by the USA. Canada did BOTH downplay the importance of the tournament ("it's just the U-18's") and argue its best players weren't there ("our best are still in the OHL and WHL playoffs"). And my touche still stings from 1996, where even 13 years later Canadians say, "We were the better team, we outshot you in every game and if it wasn't for Mike Richter we'd have won."

I know Canadians take a lot of pride in their hockey, and I respect that. Nobody is taking away from their greatness or ability to play it. But honestly, would it kill Canada to admit just once that they weren't the better team, even if just for one game?

Congrats to Hockey Canada, but all this does IMO, is reinforce the notion that Canada is really the only country that really cares about these types of tournaments.

God man, hockey is all we have.

Canada is a great place to host it too. If I recall, last/this year's (as in, Jan 2009) tournament had 90%+ attendance at all games, 95%+ at most, and 100%+ at Canadian games.

The NHLPA thread got me thinking: is the WJC as big to Euros as it is to Canadians?The WJC is not as big anywhere next to its level of popularity in Canada, which is precisely the reason that Canada is selected to host the tourney every two years now, since the recent IIHF restructuring. Even years the IIHF uses the tourney to grow the game at the junior level around the world. In odd years, it uses the WJCs to earn revenues at the gate.

Canada is the one host nation that can be assured of selling out a large portion of the games, even selling out large NHL size arenas for select medal round games.

In many countries, this event is a novelty, if it is on the radar at all. many countries appreciate the game of hockey, but it's probably accurate to say that none to the same extent as Canada. Junior level hockey is not a mass spectator sport anywhere else, certainly not on the scale of the annual TSN coverage, ratings numbers, and hence commercial revenues. All of that feeds back into the IIHF coffers.

Cool. WJC is a great tournament, exciting and a good chance to see promising soon-to-be NHLers (and 1-2 guys who are just draft eligible that year). The timing means that it doesn't conflict much with NHL either so I think a lot of people watch.

Canada is a great place to host it too. If I recall, last/this year's (as in, Jan 2009) tournament had 90%+ attendance at all games, 95%+ at most, and 100%+ at Canadian games.

The NHLPA thread got me thinking: is the WJC as big to Euros as it is to Canadians?

It's not, but I think it's growing.

I have to agree 100% with this one. I see it all the time- when Canada loses a tournament, it seems like Canadians either try to: (1) downplay the tournament's importance; (2) play the "we didn't have our best players" card; or (3) claim to have been the better team despite the loss. Good examples include this year's world championships for both genders. The USA won the women's worlds and the Canadian response was, "Nobody cares about women's hockey." This is far cry from Canada's taking so much pride in having won both the men's and women's gold in 2002. And this year's men's worlds is barely over and already I'm already hearing "We didn't have Brodeur, Iginla, Vinny, etc." from the Canadians. An even more complete example is this year's men's U-18's, won by the USA. Canada did BOTH downplay the importance of the tournament ("it's just the U-18's") and argue its best players weren't there ("our best are still in the OHL and WHL playoffs"). And my touche still stings from 1996, where even 13 years later Canadians say, "We were the better team, we outshot you in every game and if it wasn't for Mike Richter we'd have won."

I know Canadians take a lot of pride in their hockey, and I respect that. Nobody is taking away from their greatness or ability to play it. But honestly, would it kill Canada to admit just once that they weren't the better team, even if just for one game?

How is it surprising that people discount the importance of a non-best-on-best tournament? Of course it hurts to lose in the U-18 or World Championship, but when the best players (from all countries, not just Canada) aren't there, it seems almost pointless.

I have to agree 100% with this one. I see it all the time- when Canada loses a tournament, it seems like Canadians either try to: (1) downplay the tournament's importance; (2) play the "we didn't have our best players" card; or (3) claim to have been the better team despite the loss. Good examples include this year's world championships for both genders. The USA won the women's worlds and the Canadian response was, "Nobody cares about women's hockey." This is far cry from Canada's taking so much pride in having won both the men's and women's gold in 2002. And this year's men's worlds is barely over and already I'm already hearing "We didn't have Brodeur, Iginla, Vinny, etc." from the Canadians. An even more complete example is this year's men's U-18's, won by the USA. Canada did BOTH downplay the importance of the tournament ("it's just the U-18's") and argue its best players weren't there ("our best are still in the OHL and WHL playoffs"). And my touche still stings from 1996, where even 13 years later Canadians say, "We were the better team, we outshot you in every game and if it wasn't for Mike Richter we'd have won."

I know Canadians take a lot of pride in their hockey, and I respect that. Nobody is taking away from their greatness or ability to play it. But honestly, would it kill Canada to admit just once that they weren't the better team, even if just for one game?


all fair, but it seems to me that you're combatting an argument that isn't nearly as prevalent as you imply. At least, I haven't seen it. That's part of why Canadians love the juniors, because in senior tournaments, other countries can make a team that competes and often beats us, but if you limit the selection to an age group, our depth shows through. In senior tournaments, we are often not the better team, and that bugs the **** out of us because we have such a high percentage of the world's top players.

But honestly, would it kill Canada to admit just once that they weren't the better team, even if just for one game?

I'd like to, but anyone who watched yesterday's game knows who the better team was. :)


Seriously, though, there are ungracious moron fans from every country. A glance at any thread will tell you that. I don't see a lot of Russian humility in the gold medal game thread and likewise every criticism and excuse you pin on Canadian fans I've heard from fans of other countries.

It's the reality of this place, unfortunately.

How is it surprising that people discount the importance of a non-best-on-best tournament? Of course it hurts to lose in the U-18 or World Championship, but when the best players (from all countries, not just Canada) aren't there, it seems almost pointless.

Why is it pointless just because of who is on the team? I didn't stop supporting the Lightning even after they lost half of their Stanley Cup winning players... My team is still my team.

I don't understand this mentality of "oh who cares soandso isn't even on the team!"

It's still the best (available) players representing their nations on the ice playing for gold.. how could that possibly be pointless?

I don't mean to offend or start and argument but I don't think it's appropriate for Canadians to brag incessantly about their record is in the juniors considering they almost always get to host it, and even when they don't they still appear to have a sizable home ice advantage. I guarantee in 2011 in Buffalo there will be more Canadians in attendance than Americans, as it seemed to be in 2007 in Finland. All I hear all the time is "we've won five straight." Well of course you have given the sizeable home crowd advantages, if you hadn't won I'd have been surprised. I'm not saying Canadians should be ashamed of or punished for being the only country that really gets up for the juniors, kudos to them, but I'm sure playing in front of friendly crowds every game is a factor in Canadian success. In other tournaments where that advantage is missing (such as the worlds and the Olympics, Canada's success rate is far lower). Again, not trying to pick a fight, but it's just a thought on this Monday morning!

You're far to focused on the home ice advantage, and miss Canada's real advantage: we have 60 professional Major Junior teams. For the many communities that don't have an NHL team, or those that do but can't afford to go, there are numerous other options that we can and do go to. With such a huge grass root support base its no wonder that the WJC's are so popular in Canada.

Why is it pointless just because of who is on the team? I didn't stop supporting the Lightning even after they lost half of their Stanley Cup winning players... My team is still my team.

I don't understand this mentality of "oh who cares soandso isn't even on the team!"

It's still the best (available) players representing their nations on the ice playing for gold.. how could that possibly be pointless?

Ok, perhaps "pointless" was a poor choice of words. But where did I say that I stopped supporting the team? The simple fact is that to most fans, these types of tournaments rank lower on the scale of importance and interest than best-on-best events like the Olympics, WJC and World Cup.

The IIHF has awarded Canada 7 more international tournaments.

The World Junior's will be held in Canada in 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2021. (Along with next year and 2012)

The Women's Championship will be in Canada in 2013, 2016 and 2020.

Here's the link: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=10556.html?cid=rsstsn

well deserved. Having it in Canada is big time money maker.

I'd like to, but anyone who watched yesterday's game knows who the better team was. :)

See what I mean? Maybe you're joking, hence the smiley face, but this is a good example. I find Canadians are a bit two-faced on the issue of but still wins, they say, "Doesn't matter who played better, we won that game and that's that." But when Canada was the better team but lost, we get comments like this.

Same with goal scoring. When Canada scores a fluke goal (like the one Jordan Eberle scored against Russia, which you have to admit was pretty fluky since the Russian defender tried to cover it with his hand and couldn't...that doesn't slip through and Eberle doesn't score) or an empty net goal (like the two at the end of the USA-Canada game in this year's worlds that made the scoreline misleading as it was a very close affair), they say "Hey, a goal's a goal. It counts on the scoreboard." But when a fluke goal is scored against them (i.e. Marc-Andre Fleury against USA in the 2004 juniors), they say, "You only won on a fluke goal, you got lucky."

Yes, there are morons and bad sports in every country, my precious USA included. But when it comes to hockey, there seem to be more in Canada. Perhaps its a byproduct of your extreme pride in the sport of hockey, I dunno, but you do it a lot.

I do not want to hear whining from any other area in Canada until Toronto gets to host the World Juniors. It is a joke that we still have not held one.

People argue that we do not support junior hockey but I do not care. This is an international tournament and would be supported by us. How many other cities are supporting 5 pro teams? That's right we are the only city doing that at the moment.

Toronto doesn't support junior hockey. If the tournament comes to southern Ontario, it should rightfully go to London-Windsor.

Ok, perhaps "pointless" was a poor choice of words. But where did I say that I stopped supporting the team? The simple fact is that to most fans, these types of tournaments rank lower on the scale of importance and interest than best-on-best events like the Olympics, WJC and World Cup.

WJC? It's fun but it's relatively low level of hockey, players still maturing and far from being fully developed.

As for the world championships, well, don't you think they are also showing player's worth? While the scheme of the tournament is simplified compared to the NHL play-offs (no series of matches, after the robins you have to win 3 in a row to get gold, on another hand it's almost like when you're trailing 3-1 in the playoffs and have no place for mistake you have to bring it here and now) but some teams are more stacked than even best NHL teams (not necessarily demonstrating higher level of play though). I mean when to get the gold you have to defeat a team consisting of Heatley, Spezza, Nash, Staal, Getzlaf, Doan, St Louis, Toews, Bowmeester, Keith, Burns, Green, Ward. Of course not every year we see such teams, but they are still pretty stacked.

And to choke in this tournament for a player is no better than to choke in the NHL play-offs or to win it is no worse than to win lets say the 2nd round play-off series. Although probably I shouldn't compare club hockey and national teams hockey, it's really apples and oranges.

I don't mean to offend or start and argument but I don't think it's appropriate for Canadians to brag incessantly about their record is in the juniors considering they almost always get to host it, and even when they don't they still appear to have a sizable home ice advantage. I guarantee in 2011 in Buffalo there will be more Canadians in attendance than Americans, as it seemed to be in 2007 in Finland. All I hear all the time is "we've won five straight." Well of course you have given the sizeable home crowd advantages, if you hadn't won I'd have been surprised. I'm not saying Canadians should be ashamed of or punished for being the only country that really gets up for the juniors, kudos to them, but I'm sure playing in front of friendly crowds every game is a factor in Canadian success. In other tournaments where that advantage is missing (such as the worlds and the Olympics, Canada's success rate is far lower). Again, not trying to pick a fight, but it's just a thought on this Monday morning!

You don't think that maybe it's the strength of Canada's junior hockey programs coming through?

I won't and can't argue that they play on ice they're familiar with, and have great support. But personally for me, I don't really follow junior hockey, and to be quite honest I like this tournament more than the men's tournament. Winning helps, for sure, but I already know how good guys like Heatley are, while I never watch the CHL so it's a good chance for me to watch some great young talent.

Obviously success in these tournaments doesn't always translate to success in higher levels like the NHL, but I think it's good hockey and a chance to see guys I'd never see otherwise. (Men's tourney is also like this for me, but to a lesser degree -- e.g. I was excited to see more of Neal as I liked the little I saw of him this year, shame he got hurt.)

The thing is at these touraments that Canada usually has their best players. The players in the NHL in my opinion shouldnt be able to play in the world juniors. The word Junior is their for a reason.

The thing is at these touraments that Canada usually has their best players. The players in the NHL in my opinion shouldnt be able to play in the world juniors. The word Junior is their for a reason.

Take this year canada did not have all the best players.I think they only had one or 2 nhl players this year.On the avg canada does not have alot of nhl players in the tournemant.

The thing is at these touraments that Canada usually has their best players.

No they do not. It's only happened twice, during the lockout years.

I'd like to, but anyone who watched yesterday's game knows who the better team was. :)

Why is it that it's okay for you to say this, but when the USA clearly outplayed Slovakia in the world juniors but lost you Canadians said, "Who cares if you outplayed them, you lost!" Is there one set of rules for the great, almighty Canada and a different set for the rest of us?