PGT: Game 4 BS

Bull ****

I guess that was Jussi Jokinen's Holmstrom impression. Worked out pretty well for the Canes.

I challenge any Carolina fan to tell me that wasn't interference. You pissed Marty off, good luck scoring a goal the rest of the series

A lot of class shown by the Canes fans tonight
Throwing their towels at Marty and on the ice after the game

....they wouldntve been in this position if they came out flying outta the gates like they did in the 2nd half of the game. this is playoff hockey devs, cant **** around.

That was the worst possible way to lose.

That wasn't interference, get over yourselves.

not interference...marty is coming out..

It is interference...he had plenty of room to go around without bumping Marty.

Looks like we're gonna win the series now since Brodeur's pissed.

**** this ****, isn't this the same ****ing ref from the ****sburgh game that Sutter had it out with?

and those white trash pieces of **** throwing the towels at the players leaving the ice? ****ing ******s, how about we throw bricks at theirs when they get to NJ?

I'm not a devils fan..im not a canes fan...how many feet is a goalie allowed to come out? 4 or 5 feet? marty comes out towards jokinen...

As Devilswede said..

worse feeling ever :shakehead

Has anyone ever seen Marty so pissed off?

I think that speaks for itself.

I'm gonna be sick.

NJ better just pummel them back home.

that was a waste of energy
why bother with the comeback if you're gonna piss it away like that?

Not only did thje screw up the on the canes 3rd goal but now this. I am so waiting for the refs after the game 5 now :rant:

That ref better be done for the playoffs - 2 interference calls missed - both on him at the same end of the ice.

Marty doesn't get that mad for no reason folks. Replay clearly shows it was interference with nobody even close to push him into Marty.

2 goals to the refs, 2 to the canes. Hard to beat 2 teams and I can't wait to hear what the league says about this tomorrow because Marty and Sutter are gonna have plenty to say in about 10 minutes.

That was the worst possible way to lose.

Got to make Ward uncomfortable. He has been way too set in the crease all series. That was a hosejob. The 3rd and 4th Canes goals were both after blatant interference penalties. BS.

we get pinned in our zone too long all the time against this team

I am 100% confident that this was a blown non-call

Not only did thje screw up the on the canes 3rd goal but now this. I am so waiting for the refs after the game 5 now :rant:

LOL it will be different refs though. No use.

I still can't believe that. Who cares about the inteference, finish your ****ing shifts. same thing with goal #3. they shot themselves in the head. they better be able to rally around because that was infinitely worse than where the game was going after 2.

infinitely worse. what the **** is it with that place? I can't believe they turned what could have been no worse than 2-2, then no worse than a moral victory, into that.

I don't care about the "non-call" or potential interference... that's a ********* excuse in my opinion. I'm just in shock that they scored with .2 seconds left.

We're in a series now. Who thought we'd actually walk through this team? You knew they'd come to play.

Lets get ready for Game 5.

Whether it was goalie interference or not, the Devils did the same ****ing thing they did on Friday night. They let the Canes trap them in their own zone and made Marty a shooting target. You can't score if you don't break out of your zone retards!

I'm not a devils fan..im not a canes fan...how many feet is a goalie allowed to come out? 4 or 5 feet? marty comes out towards jokinen...

GET THE HECK OUTTA HERE THEN!

Goalie is NEVER fair game.

But again - Pandolfo could have prevented it by getting his ass down to block the shot.

We can blame the refs all we want but they don't get the puck there if Paul Martin just pins the puck in the corner instead of throwing a weak ass clearing attempt to the point. In the context of the game, that was one of the dumbest plays I have ever seen executed by any player at any level of hockey.

You guys won't believe it, but when the last 10 seconds were ticking off and the puck was in our zone, I had a flashback of game 2 in 2006. I thought to myself, don't let that happen again.

A lot of class shown by the Canes fans tonight
Throwing their towels at Marty and on the ice after the game

Same fans that give you this after a race.

http://nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070501/070501_talladega_hlg_5p.hlarge.jpg

And someone tell Stan to shut the **** up.

SHUTUP Stan!!

I dont know how to react right now

I'm not a devils fan..im not a canes fan...how many feet is a goalie allowed to come out? 4 or 5 feet? marty comes out towards jokinen...

OH shutup - Marty was out first ahead of him - you have to make EVERY EFFORT to avoid the goalie per the rules. Goalies come out that far all the time for shots from the point to cut down the angle.

JUST LEAVE

i know thats a terrible way to lose the game, but would it be possible for someone to put that up on youtube so i can see it and make a judgement on the call? sounds like you guys got screwed there

Devils in 6, should be in 5. **** Nascar. You got away with murder *******s.

i could honestly murder someone right now

Somewhere, Ranger Al is laughing his fat ass off.

I don't care about the "non-call" or potential interference... that's a ********* excuse in my opinion. I'm just in shock that they scored with .2 seconds left.

We're in a series now. Who thought we'd actually walk through this team? You knew they'd come to play.

Lets get ready for Game 5.

you knew that after two. what happened was alot worse than that. that's about as soul sucking a loss as I've ever seen. game 2 in '06 has nothing on that, that was a miracle that they were even up in the first place and everything got righted.

this was coming back from 3 down and having control of the game to starting to have bad shifts late and losing with no time on the clock.

if they come back from this, I'll be really impressed

Why isn't anybody blaming martin on that clearing attempt?

if that was havelid, everyone will be all over him.

****ing bull.

Whether it was goalie interference or not, the Devils did the same ****ing thing they did on Friday night. They let the Canes trap them in their own zone and made Marty a shooting target. You can't score if you don't break out of your zone retards!

agree.........we could have / should have gotten the puck out of the zone, and we should have blocked the shot..........how many times do we let the point men shoot at will ??????????/

Series tied at 2-2, feels like we're down 3-1 though.

I still can't believe this.

I ****ing hate Carolina......this crap always happens against those ****ers...

There's no way a team can forget about this. This is a backbreaker.....

How the **** weren't they able to hold on another 0.2 of a second??!!!

Un****ingbelievable!!!!

**** this crap!!

The Devils players let Brodeur get ran over all game. They have all series. You can blame the refs for this and that, but if the Devils protected their net this wouldn't have happened in the first place. He got run at least 3 times every period. Nobody did anything. Send Rupp out there and have him barrel into Ward, have Clarkson do his wrap around and go through Ward. This game completely let me down. You cannot spot a team 3 goals then turn it on.

We are going to beat these ****ers in Game 5, no way they will win. In Game 6 we'll beat them right in front of their ****ing hillbilly fans.

I've never been so upset, not even game 2. I've never thrown anything until tonight, and what do you know, it was the same for Marty.

Tough loss enough said

OH shutup - Marty was out first ahead of him - you have to make EVERY EFFORT to avoid the goalie per the rules. Goalies come out that far all the time for shots from the point to cut down the angle.

JUST LEAVE

4 or 5 feet outside of the crease? jokinen has no idea marty is that far out...

i will lose sleep over this ****.
**** you

They sat back after they tied the game and they couldn't clear it, and let another defenseman kill them.

I'm speechless. Really am.

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words,goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.

Not interference.

That ref better be done for the playoffs - 2 interference calls missed - both on him at the same end of the ice.

Marty doesn't get that mad for no reason folks. Replay clearly shows it was interference with nobody even close to push him into Marty.

2 goals to the refs, 2 to the canes. Hard to beat 2 teams and I can't wait to hear what the league says about this tomorrow because Marty and Sutter are gonna have plenty to say in about 10 minutes.

It's UNFRIGGINBELIEVEABLE


The 1st Canes "goal that shouldnt have been a goal" was even worse. It was about as blatant an interference as you can possibly have.

That was our ****ing game. We had those mother****ers.

Why isn't anybody blaming martin on that clearing attempt?

if that was havelid, everyone will be all over him.

I was so pumped up , I didnt see............but I blame all 5 on the ice at the time, as someone should have cleared it

if these Ranger fans don't get banned, I'm gone

the devils seriously have no choice but to come out and play a full balls to the wall 60 minutes of hockey for the rest of the series. theyre only making it harder on themselves by looking like **** for a period and then playing catch up. ****ing rediculous.

4 or 5 feet outside of the crease? jokinen has no idea marty is that far out...

4 or 5 feet??? get your ****ing eye's checked.

I'm not a devils fan..im not a canes fan...how many feet is a goalie allowed to come out? 4 or 5 feet? marty comes out towards jokinen...

in the pens/flyers game, fluery came out by the corner, a flyers' player tapped his skate and they called interference on the flyers

Same fans that give you this after a race.

http://nbcsportsmedia3.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070501/070501_talladega_hlg_5p.hlarge.jpg

And someone tell Stan to shut the **** up.

I love pissing off rednecks when my driver wins :) GO GORDON!

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words,goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.



Jokinen intentionally bumped him outside the crease. Should've been a call and it wasn't made because it would've meant a penalty to start OT. Instead you hand the game to the offending team. Fantastic officiating.

i ****ing knew they were gonna score. they ALWAYS come back agaisnt us. they did it in 06, this is ********

The Devils players let Brodeur get ran over all game. They have all series. You can blame the refs for this and that, but if the Devils protected their net this wouldn't have happened in the first place. He got run at least 3 times every period. Nobody did anything. Send Rupp out there and have him barrel into Ward, have Clarkson do his wrap around and go through Ward. This game completely let me down. You cannot spot a team 3 goals then turn it on.

Dress PL3 - and give him this mission - not Rupp. It will be an automatic suspension and Rupp has more value.

(But I agree - if every other team can get away with running into Marty year after year, lets finally go inflict some damage on them)

Not interference.

get the **** out

and on top of this all, Salvo's knee is shot to ****

Rule 69

Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

A reasonable effort was not made.......

Why isn't anybody blaming martin on that clearing attempt?

if that was havelid, everyone will be all over him.

See post 28. One of the dumbest, most unaware plays I have ever seen.

And that goal wasn't interference.

4 or 5 feet??? get your ****ing eye's checked.

fine 3 or 5

These things happen when you have a defense that no one fears physically. Whitey can't be the only one out there hitting. Especially since Bryce is now out.

Quote me now...putting Greene in is NOT the answer next game. Play Leach or call up Fraser or Corrente. Players who will punish those in front of the net.

Devils can't be a paper tiger going into Game 5.

This should fire them up hopefully.
Gotta take the positives from coming from 3-0 down, lets blow them out back home.

You guys won't believe it, but when the last 10 seconds were ticking off and the puck was in our zone, I had a flashback of game 2 in 2006. I thought to myself, don't let that happen again.

Same with me. With 2 seconds left and the puck at the point, I basically got out of my seat and headed for the kitchen thinking the game was going into OT.

I'll still say Game 2 in 06 was a much worse feeling, but this just ruined my dad which has been incredible up to now.

It was not interference. Incidental contact out of the crease. The Canes play had no idea Brodeur would be 2 feet out of his crease. Get over it.

But Sutter's strategy over the last 10 minutes was unforgivable. Why trap? Carolina was on their heels. And then they totally gave up the last 60 seconds.

Crap.

I am in shock. ****ing speechless. Im about to ****ing cut my ****ing wrists. I hate these ****s literally just as much as the Rangers. GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly, there's not much we can do, but hope the devils use this frustration to pound the **** out of the canes in games 5 and 6. Canes played their best game of the series tonight, and we were able to battle back. When was the last time we fought back 3-0 down and still lost? Oh right, back in '03 when we won the cup. This team has heart, something we haven't seen in a couple years.


As heartbreaking as it is, this game only delays the inevitable.

I might throw up. I am going to kill he next person I see

Banned for what i posted a rule. Thats not trolling. Relax i understand your pain, its like when Endy chavez makes an absurd catch and you lose the game.

no it's not, go away.
AND BY THE WAY GOMEZ SUCKS

Not interference.

Notice the part about "making an effort" to avoid. No Devils defenseman pushes him into Brodeur.

And on the FIRST missed interference that led to a goal Brodeur got bulldozed

I need a cane fan to beat up or something.

Please god let Sal be ok. I'm hoping he had to take a dump so he faked a knee injury.

everyone who's saying 'oh **** this is the end':
SHUT THE **** UP
the series is 2-2
**** YOURSELF

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words,goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.



Jokinen intentionally bumped him outside the crease. Should've been a call and it wasn't made because it would've meant a penalty to start OT. Instead you hand the game to the offending team. Fantastic officiating.

Problem was the ref didn't see it, which is a complete disgrace becasue he is supposed to be protecting the goalies. He should not see another playoff game.

unreal...

I'm speechless...

That ****ing team didn't deserve to win, just because they blew a 3-0 lead like that...

I'm just in disbelief.....

That was ****ing tragic. Why does ours have to be the only first round series that's being played like it's the ****ing Stanley Cup Finals? I can't take this ****.

Devils will come back strong. I think this will inspire them to get their **** together from the start. Brodeur will be sick.

Why didn't Marty get upset about interference on the third goal? He looked like he was clearly backed into.

Not interference.

wrong

provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact

He made ZERO - NONE - NO EFFORT.

Practice Schedule for tomorrow:

All day: How to break out of your own zone


Ok, time to start drinking REAlly heavily now

Yeah and blame Sutter on his strategy.....like he's the one out there with skates on, right? :shakehead

Rule 69

Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

A reasonable effort was not made.......

THIS

On the plus side, hopefully we have a Kevin Smith blog to look forward to.

Hopefully he's not kissing Carolina's ass now as well. I don't care if they were the Whalers. They're the Canes now, and the Canes are a bunch of diving pucksluts.

Game five winner will win the series IMO. Luckily the Devils have home ice and a **** ton of motivation.


And Ranger$ fans care so little about the Devils that they run to look up the rules to rub our face in it. ******s.

**** the Canes **** them **** them **** them I think I hate them more than the ****ing Rangers (**** them.

everyone who's saying 'oh **** this is the end':
SHUT THE **** UP
the series is 2-2
**** YOURSELF

I'm as devastated after this loss as anyone, but I truly believe that Carolina will not win another game. This has stirred the Devils and I truly believe they will win the next 2 games.

We sweep the 3 game series.

As heartbreaking as it is, this game only delays the inevitable.

The refs handing the entire series to the Canes?

everyone who's saying 'oh **** this is the end':
SHUT THE **** UP
the series is 2-2
**** YOURSELF
I completely agree. Game 5 is back home and hopefully Langenbrunner comes back. I think this will go to seven and the string of alternating wins will continue.

****kkkkin moron guys on the ice.

when the defenseman faked the first shot, i thought shanny would drop down to try and block it then he passed it and i said ****KKKKKKKKING BLOCK IT ******* but no, they all let it go through because they didnt want ruin ruing their manicures

wrong



He made ZERO - NONE - NO EFFORT.

Brodeur ran into him though, look at it from the other side. If You had scored the goal and it was disallowed would u be ok with that?

I can't wait to hear what Sutter has to say this evening.

The ending was horrible on two fronts.

The refs were deplorable and should be fired for not seeing the blatant interference on Marty.
How can not one of them see it right in front of them??
This is the type of officiating that turns fans stomachs.

And sorry but Paul Martin is the other reason why we are not getting ready for overtime.
All he had to do was stay with the puck or skate behind the net, watch the replay and you'll see it clearly that it was a horrific unforced turnover.
A shot I would have liked to see Marty save too even if he was interfered before the shot.

Same old song with the Staal goal a few seasons agao, Martin HAD to clear or hold on to the puck.

Very painful.

Notice the part about "making an effort" to avoid. No Devils defenseman pushes him into Brodeur.

And on the FIRST missed interference that led to a goal Brodeur got bulldozed

exactly no attempt was made to avoid contact. That my friend is interference.

Lets look at the positive here. We're tied 2-2, not down 3-1, and we're going back to our home barn where we have the advantage as far as line matchups go. When we win game five then we're in the driver's seat with every game after that being an elimination game. I don't think Carolina stands a chance if we go up 3-2. Thursday's game is beyond HUGE.

dont you guys expect the ref to miss a call like that though? the officiating has been putrid league wide during the playoffs so far, its certainly not just this series.. i havent seen the play can someone be calm and at least explain what happened without flipping out on me just because im a ranger fan?

I'm as devastated after this loss as anyone, but I truly believe that Carolina will not win another game. This has stirred the Devils and I truly believe they will win the next 2 games.

We sweep the 3 game series.

Well I know two guys that are more pissed off than we are: SUTTER AND MARTY.

hey......thats always the other teams strategy....."bump Marty", and it works,
Why dont we crush Cam Ward ????????????

Practice Schedule for tomorrow:

All day: How to break out of your own zone


Ok, time to start drinking REAlly heavily now

Might need some heroin after this one.

Please god let Sal be ok. I'm hoping he had to take a dump so he faked a knee injury.

wow, salvador looked like he was in terrible pain, it looked like he tore something. that was not good.

Holy ****, I didn't see Brodeur lose it (turn it off after the replay of the goal with the clock). HOLY ****!

**** the NHL referees, why don't they just ****ing go ahead and play the game and let the players have a seat. Why do they even bother playing? The NHL referees are the biggest pieces of ***** in the world. This is the ****ing PLAYOFFS! I'd rather have lost in overtime than in this ****ing ********!!!!!!!! I want to go and kill those referees, it's unbelievable what they let go. **** them, **** them hard those stupid mother****ing ******* referees. **** THE **** OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont you guys expect the ref to miss a call like that though? the officiating has been putrid league wide during the playoffs so far, its certainly not just this series.. i havent seen the play can someone be calm and at least explain what happened without flipping out on me just because im a ranger fan?

whoever it was was basically alone in front of the net with a few seconds left. Marty comes out of the crease to follow the puck, and gets bumped. he's then screened and the Canes score with 0.2 left.

hey......thats always the other teams strategy....."bump Marty", and it works,
Why dont we crush Cam Ward ????????????

Marty should've taken a dive like Staal.

I can't ****in believe this. The wrong players were on the ice, doing the wrong things. They should have been going hard until the last buzzer, but instead they seemed content to just try and sit back and wait for overtime. Well guess what ****ers, probably should have worked. god Damnit.

A lot of class shown by the Canes fans tonight
Throwing their towels at Marty and on the ice after the game

It's not their fault. You can't expect much from inbred hicks down South. The more southern you go, the dumber they get.

the point of this whole thing is that it isnt Marty's job to avoid Jokinen, its Jokinen's job to avoid marty

Even after Marty spoke with the refs they still didn't make the call.

UN****ING BELIEVABLE.

It's disappointing because Brodeur was by far the best player on ice for both teams. He was the only reason it was going to overtime in the first place.

Well, I'm going to try it tomorrow. I'm going to make a genuine, Jonathon on the Devs forum type post, and experiment.

I'm in no danger.

Not interference.

OHHH rangers fans know the rules eh, is there a rule about punchin a goalie in the mask incidentelly... k so lets say the last goal was a good goal, The third hurridivers goal was not a goal and the freaking refs didnt call ***** the whole game.

the point of this whole thing is that it isnt Marty's job to avoid Jokinen, its Jokinen's job to avoid marty

the point of the thing is not to allow a shot there, not even to allow possession, it was a terrible shift and it was creeping in during the last couple of minutes of the game.

all you have to do is hide behind the net.

Just remember folks, we have the champ of goalie interference in the Herf.

2 can play this game.

LOL @ VS trying to cheer us up with some old school Devils **** :handclap::handclap:

Lou better be on the phone blasting Walkom, Murphy, Campbell, and Bettman right now.

really tough way to lose..i still think you guys have this in seven with each team winning their home games..good luck

Lou is going to strangle those refs.

Going over the rule -- it's pretty much stupid and gives the refs discretion to interpret what interference is. The rule states that even if marty is out of the crease, he cant be physically touched by an opposing player unless the contact is incidental.

While the "incidental" part has been stretched and stretched by NHL refs this season, it was clear that both Marty and Jokinen were just trying to face the shooter for their own reasons.

Here's the problem: They either call a penalty of Jussi or count the goal. Since there seems no undisputable evidence that he was intending to physically interfere, you cant call a penalty.

Hence, the goal counts.

Personally, they need to have a rule where any contact with the goalie impeding his ability to stop the puck should automatically blow the play dead and set up a faceoff, unless of course the player is pushed into the goalie.

I understand where Devils fans are coming from. I think every fan should sympathize because the last thing we would want to happen to our team is what happened to them tonight.

In my opinion, this is 10 times worse than what Avery did with his stick last season in Round 1. That goal should not count. Period.

And sorry but Paul Martin is the other reason why we are not getting ready for overtime.
All he had to do was stay with the puck or skate behind the net, watch the replay and you'll see it clearly that it was a horrific unforced turnover.

I just assumed he was going to take the puck into the corner and run out the clock (there was like 5 or 6 seconds left). Only thing I can think is he didnt know how much time there was

either time for a rule change or its open season on cam ward next game.

carolina should feel really proud of themselves for winning a game with 3 garbage goals that required pileups and or goaltender interference.

question....how far is a goalie allowed to come out until its ok? If he comes out to the hash marks to cut down the angle and the player is looking at the play just as marty is what call should be made?

I cannot be more livid right now. Thursday night cannot happen soon enough.

Lou is going to strangle those refs.

I can't see Lou doing that.

However, I can see him setting out a contract for those refs' heads.

We'll beat this ****ers in 6 games

Question: Why the **** aren't we running Cam Ward?! You have to fight fire with fire. I want to see them start diving and running Ward in game 5. **** this ****.

Unbias observer here, and after watching TSN replay the final goal a few times and there reading of the rules I really don't think Marty has any legitimate beef with that goal , he made as much effort to interfere / draw a penalty on Jokinen as Jokinen made to interfere with Marty.

Marty turns his body slightly to create the contact with Jokinen and it was well outside the crease really hard to back him on that one, besides the non call a minute before that White on Staal in front of Marty im guessing the refs had put there whistles away.

As far as the third goal goes I don't understand why a bigger deal wasn't made of that on the ice at the time it definatley looked like interference.

Just remember folks, we have the champ of goalie interference in the Herf.

2 can play this game.

he'll get called everytime though...........thats what sux, the Canes get away with it and I dont know why

The issue is that the ref wasn't even looking at Marty when Jokinen bumped him...UGH!

The NHL is becoming a joke. The league/refs are setting a standard where it's okay for player's to do whatever they want in front of the goalie. Bumping, knocking into goalies is fair game as long as there are goals scored, which the league apparantly has a hard on for. The NHL is becoming a model of inconsistency.. where the rules don't apply for protecting the goalies.

In this particular case..Marty is outside of the crease, but Jokinen bumps him and does absolutely nothing to get out of the way and avoid him. That is the definition of interference. This has been happening to Marty for years..

Truth be told, the Devils should have done a better job of getting the puck out of the zone. Get a body on Jokinen, and this might not have happened. Regardless, this was not 'accidental' by Jokinen..he knew exactly where Marty was going to be and bumped him.

I just assumed he was going to take the puck into the corner and run out the clock (there was like 5 or 6 seconds left). Only thing I can think is he didnt know how much time there was

thats what I was hoping he was going to do. He did have two canes right next to him and no devils around to help so maybe he felt rushed and panicked.

Going over the rule -- it's pretty much stupid and gives the refs discretion to interpret what interference is. The rule states that even if marty is out of the crease, he cant be physically touched by an opposing player unless the contact is incidental.

While the "incidental" part has been stretched and stretched by NHL refs this season, it was clear that both Marty and Jokinen were just trying to face the shooter for their own reasons.

Here's the problem: They either call a penalty of Jussi or count the goal. Since there seems no undisputable evidence that he was intending to physically interfere, you cant call a penalty.

Hence, the goal counts.

Personally, they need to have a rule where any contact with the goalie impeding his ability to stop the puck should automatically blow the play dead and set up a faceoff, unless of course the player is pushed into the goalie.

I understand where Devils fans are coming from. I think every fan should sympathize because the last thing we would want to happen to our team is what happened to them tonight.

In my opinion, this is 10 times worse than what Avery did with his stick last season in Round 1. That goal should not count. Period.

You don't need to call a penalty you could just wave the goal off..

Going over the rule -- it's pretty much stupid and gives the refs discretion to interpret what interference is. The rule states that even if marty is out of the crease, he cant be physically touched by an opposing player unless the contact is incidental.

While the "incidental" part has been stretched and stretched by NHL refs this season, it was clear that both Marty and Jokinen were just trying to face the shooter for their own reasons.

Here's the problem: They either call a penalty of Jussi or count the goal. Since there seems no undisputable evidence that he was intending to physically interfere, you cant call a penalty.

Hence, the goal counts.

Personally, they need to have a rule where any contact with the goalie impeding his ability to stop the puck should automatically blow the play dead and set up a faceoff, unless of course the player is pushed into the goalie.

I understand where Devils fans are coming from. I think every fan should sympathize because the last thing we would want to happen to our team is what happened to them tonight.

In my opinion, this is 10 times worse than what Avery did with his stick last season in Round 1. That goal should not count. Period.

Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

According to that it's Jokinen's job to know where the goalie is and move out of the way. He didn't. Interference should have been called.

Unbias observer here, and after watching TSN replay the final goal a few times and there reading of the rules I really don't think Marty has any legitimate beef with that goal , he made as much effort to interfere / draw a penalty on Jokinen as Jokinen made to interfere with Marty.

Marty turns his body slightly to create the contact with Jokinen and it was well outside the crease really hard to back him on that one, besides the non call a minute before that White on Staal in front of Marty im guessing the refs had put there whistles away.

As far as the third goal goes I don't understand why a bigger deal wasn't made of that on the ice at the time it definatley looked like interference.

During incidental interferences, the player must make an attempt to avoid contact. Did you see him try to avoid marty.. no.. didn't think so

Not only that call but how about how Carolina hit the ice like it was Vietnam again tonight, its pretty sad actually.

3rd goal was more interference than 4th goal. Still, no excuse not to ice the puck with 10s left or some ****

That was the biggest bs all season. If the Canes go on to win the series we all know they didn't deserve it.

"made a reasonable attempt to avoid the goaltender" my a**.
He didn't even check near him.

Goal shouldnt have counted.
Should have gone into OT

I don't think i've even been more livid over hockey.

Here's the problem: They either call a penalty of Jussi or count the goal. Since there seems no undisputable evidence that he was intending to physically interfere, you cant call a penalty.

Hence, the goal counts.

Incorrect. They've already covered this 1000 times tonight that you can wave the goal off and NOT give a powerplay

Just remember folks, we have the champ of goalie interference in the Herf.

2 can play this game.

Except Holik would probably get 5 and a game and be banned for life.

Marty and the Devils are ****ing pissed= Game 5, 6 dominance.

Mark my words

We will be dominant and get EVERY and ANY call that is close, **** the refs and ****. This sucks

This is embarrassing to read through, it's like a bunch of 13 year olds found a meth stash.

****** way to end a game, we got the next one.

The issue is that the ref wasn't even looking at Marty when Jokinen bumped him...UGH!

cause they're more interested in watching the game action

and this team needs to get ****ing mean, seriously. run Cam Ward. hurt somebody.

Incorrect. They've already covered this 1000 times tonight that you can wave the goal off and NOT give a powerplay

just say "incidental contact" and hope the OT winner is noncontroversial

Situation Room Blog Tuesday, 04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM / 2009 Playoffs Conference Quarterfinals By NHL.com Staff
Interpretation of goalie interference rule: New Jersey at Carolina - 19:59 of the third period
04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM ET

The NHL's goalie interference rule sets a mandate to protect the goalie in the blue ice – to let the goalie do his job. In the white ice, it is a more delicate matter, including who moved into whom. The referee has one split-second look at it and it is a judgment call. The Situation Room has no video review capacity in this instance. That said, the Situation Room officials agreed with the call on the ice, that it looked like the goalie, Martin Brodeur, moved out toward the skater.

That was the biggest bs all season. If the Canes go on to win the series we all know they didn't deserve it.

"made a reasonable attempt to avoid the goaltender" my a**.
He didn't even check near him.

Goal shouldnt have counted.
Should have gone into OT

I don't think i've even been more livid over hockey.

I dont think he hit Brodeur on purpose, but it shouldnt have been an allowed goal

The THIRD Canes goal though? Guy CLEARLY intentionally knocks Brodeur over. Pathetic

Unbias observer here, and after watching TSN replay the final goal a few times and there reading of the rules I really don't think Marty has any legitimate beef with that goal , he made as much effort to interfere / draw a penalty on Jokinen as Jokinen made to interfere with Marty.

Marty turns his body slightly to create the contact with Jokinen and it was well outside the crease really hard to back him on that one, besides the non call a minute before that White on Staal in front of Marty im guessing the refs had put there whistles away.

As far as the third goal goes I don't understand why a bigger deal wasn't made of that on the ice at the time it definatley looked like interference.

you need to learn the rules then. Marty was making the typical goalie move to cut down the angle. IT IS NOT HIS JOB TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF THE OTHER PLAYER. Jokinen, by rule has to attempt to avoid contact. Incidental contact is allowed only if the player tries to get out of the way. Joks made no attempt to do so. So by rule that is interference so take your unbiased opinion and try again.

Wow. I saw Marty break his stick, but I didn't catch him barking at the refs on the Canes feed.

I wish I could see what Chico/Doc/Dano/Fischler are saying right now.

Situation Room Blog Tuesday, 04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM / 2009 Playoffs Conference Quarterfinals By NHL.com Staff
Interpretation of goalie interference rule: New Jersey at Carolina - 19:59 of the third period
04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM ET

The NHL's goalie interference rule sets a mandate to protect the goalie in the blue ice – to let the goalie do his job. In the white ice, it is a more delicate matter, including who moved into whom. The referee has one split-second look at it and it is a judgment call. The Situation Room has no video review capacity in this instance. That said, the Situation Room officials agreed with the call on the ice, that it looked like the goalie, Martin Brodeur, moved out toward the skater.
of course they did, those mother****ers.

Situation Room Blog Tuesday, 04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM / 2009 Playoffs Conference Quarterfinals By NHL.com Staff
Interpretation of goalie interference rule: New Jersey at Carolina - 19:59 of the third period
04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM ET

The NHL's goalie interference rule sets a mandate to protect the goalie in the blue ice – to let the goalie do his job. In the white ice, it is a more delicate matter, including who moved into whom. The referee has one split-second look at it and it is a judgment call. The Situation Room has no video review capacity in this instance. That said, the Situation Room officials agreed with the call on the ice, that it looked like the goalie, Martin Brodeur, moved out toward the skater.

Was just about to post that. I haven't seen the replay in about 15 minutes since I broke my DVD player remote, but from what I recall, that's not true at all. Brodeur was out, was starting to move from right to left, and that's when Jokinen backed into him. So if that's the ref's reasoning, then they're absolutely 100% ****ing wrong.

If it were the other way around and Ward was bumped, I have a feeling the goal would have been waived off. The refs were influenced by the crowd all night long.

This loss stings real bad because it should have gone at least to overtime.

Too many last second goals against this season and when that last shot was taken I said, Oh no it's going in". :rant:

We should be going into overtime. This is the biggest ******** I've ever seen as a fan. You simply CANNOT let this happen in a playoff game. Even the linesman looked at the ref like "are you gonna call that?" Brodeur isn't intentionally going to bump into that ****ing dick **** Jussi Jokinen because it would screw up his concentration and it did. The NHL referees are a joke. Kerry Fraser is at home yet a ****ing *** like Eric Furlatt is allowed to call this one.

Situation Room Blog Tuesday, 04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM / 2009 Playoffs Conference Quarterfinals By NHL.com Staff
Interpretation of goalie interference rule: New Jersey at Carolina - 19:59 of the third period
04.21.2009 / 10:19 PM ET

The NHL's goalie interference rule sets a mandate to protect the goalie in the blue ice – to let the goalie do his job. In the white ice, it is a more delicate matter, including who moved into whom. The referee has one split-second look at it and it is a judgment call. The Situation Room has no video review capacity in this instance. That said, the Situation Room officials agreed with the call on the ice, that it looked like the goalie, Martin Brodeur, moved out toward the skater.

What the **** is the point of this. The NHL always stands behind their officials which is why they have ZERO accountability. The "Situation Room" also needs to learn their own ****ing rule book.

its over and done with but the devs HAVE to play as if theyre facing elimination and play a full game of utter desperation and intensity. nothing less will be good enough.

That was the biggest bs all season. If the Canes go on to win the series we all know they didn't deserve it.
The thing is they have no chance in hell of winning now. Do you have any idea how jacked Marty is going to be? I'm pissed, yet a bit excited at the same time. I'm just really happy we were able to show enough heart to come back from being behind 3 goals. An unfortunate unlucky goal with 0.2s left, but it definitely won't lose us the series.

GO DEVILS!

cause they're more interested in watching the game action

and this team needs to get ****ing mean, seriously. run Cam Ward. hurt somebody.

There are 2 referee's on the ice. The one down low should be looking at what is going on down low in the zone and the one up high look at what is going one up high.

Fact is what probably happened was with just a couple of seconds to go the ref down low stopped paying attention to what was going on.

I guess I'm one of the few Devils Fans who think it wasn't interference? Cmon guys look how far Marty came out...

Regardless, hopefully Marty will be in ****ing rage mode and stop everything from now on.

And I don't have any brute battles either left grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I am going before I rip someones head off and get banned for a bit :laugh:


DEVILS BETTER BEAT THE **** OUT OF THEM THURSDAY..............I WANT A 8-0 GAME AND NOTHING ELSE.

Sutter coming up on NHL network.

To be honest, neither team deserved to win.

That said, we will see what this team is made of Thursday night.

And on another related note, that goal Crosby "scored" tonight was a disgrace. It is amazing how the league kowtows to that ****ing *****. If we were playing them, I would have been locked up by now.

LOL Heres what Jokinen and the dumbass canes announcers said:

Canes Colous guy: Jussi, marty Brodeur was arguing that it should have been interferance, but clearly, he was outside of the crease and it was not a penalty. Did you even see Brodeur?

Jussi: No I didn't, he likes to come out of his crease a lot and i didn't let him come out too far and pitkanen was patient at the point and scored.

Yeah, he purposely ****ing skated into him. They're trying to defend their ****ing ******* referees........the NHL is a ****ing joke. If we lose this series because of them I'm going to kill them.

I hope Carolina realizes they can't beat us without the help of the NHL, we had them on their heels that entire third and they were going down like a ship on fire. I saw Colin Campbell today I should have just pushed him into oncoming traffic.

Flyer fans got to watch Crosby baseball slide into our net for a crushing, momentum swinging goal tonight as well...

...interference with the netminders needs to be better defined

IMO, I think the fact that Brodeur was out of his crease, that Jussi has no prior history of being a pest in front of the net and that the the contact appeared to be incidental was enough to be deemed non-call. The refs can't use the replay video to call that a penalty as well.

Get over it, it WAS NOT goalie interference, We lost a heart breaker. It happens. Time to move on.

The quicker we move on the less it will hurt trust me.

DEVILS BETTER BEAT THE **** OUT OF THEM THURSDAY..............I WANT A 8-0 GAME AND NOTHING ELSE.
Seriously. I want nothing less than a brutal, brutal beatdown both offensively and physically. I really want to demoralize those ****ing ********.

I guess I'm one of the few Devils Fans who think it wasn't interference? Cmon guys look how far Marty came out...

Regardless, hopefully Marty will be in ****ing rage mode and stop everything from now on.
that doesn't matter...jokkinen needs to make an attempt to avoid marty for the goal to count ACCORDING TO THE RULE BOOK.

I would love to see ONE PERSON...JUST ONE PERSON show me where or how jokkinen tries to avoid the contact with Marty

Islander fan who watched the game. Hope you don't kill me too much but I do not think that was interference.

Marty was so far out of his crease, how can a ref call that. Also he squared to the shooter after he was hit. It just beat him. Even if it was interference on purpose(his back was to Marty), the puck was not comming at the net at that time. It had nothing to do with the play.

Futhermore, I think that this has been the best series so far. To bad the NHL does not think so.

I think that Marty is going to go on a rampage and shut the Cans out in game 5.

I guess I'm one of the few Devils Fans who think it wasn't interference? Cmon guys look how far Marty came out...

Regardless, hopefully Marty will be in ****ing rage mode and stop everything from now on.

out of all the games in this series........this was far from Martys best anyway

You don't need to call a penalty you could just wave the goal off..



That's what i am trying to figure out. If you wave the goal off, then what explanaition does Maurice get? If they wave the goal off, if I'm Sutter, I want a PP.

Does someone have handy the rule which states an official can blow a play dead for goalie interference without calling a penalty?

I was under the impression that if you hit an opposing goalie unimpeded, it's interference and a penalty. IMHO, Jokkinen knew full well where he was going and there was a possibility of contact, so the interference isnt all that "incidental"

Sutter:
"that last goal, he definately got bumped, and yet marty was bumped and was soutside the crease when he was sliding across.

I guess that was a call you think you might get it.., we didn't, but it is what it is"

I guess I'm one of the few Devils Fans who think it wasn't interference? Cmon guys look how far Marty came out...

Regardless, hopefully Marty will be in ****ing rage mode and stop everything from now on.
I didn't see it.

Devils lost, its over.. you can't change it. The series is tied. The Devils did not deserve to win this game, and everyone knows it. Hopefully this fuels the fire.

Booze + that goal = my apartment trashed

I'm pissed as hell at the last ten minutes of that game

1. The "no-call"
2. The fact that the dev's can't clear there own zone
3. The dev's let it get that close in the first place

I didn't see it.

Devils lost, its over.. you can't change it. The series is tied. The Devils did not deserve to win this game, and everyone knows it. Hopefully this fuels the fire.

they played a hell of a third period. they deserve to be in OT.

i stll cant believe noone ****in went down to block the shot

Wow - Sutter very calm and not angry about the non-call. He's even being optimistic about "we had to come in here and get a win and we did that"

And with all the Ranger fans suddenly swarming in here - I'm done before I get an infraction (which I would get if I was doing the same thing on the Ranger board after a loss).

Love the double standards - both on the ice and now on our boards.

buh bye

Jussi: No I didn't, he likes to come out of his crease a lot and i didn't let him come out too far and pitkanen was patient at the point and scored.

So you stopped marty from closing out the angle and say you didn't interfere him.. cool

PAUL MARTIN, WHAT THE **** WAS THAT. I knew, knew it, knew it, I ****ING KNEW IT. The second that mother****er didnt pin it against the boards I knew the Canes were gonna have time to set up that one last shot that was inevitably going to go in. MOTHER****ER. Jay Pandolfo, do you have any hockey sense???? There is 1 ****ING SECOND LEFT and you cant cover your point man. That goal is all on Paul ****ing Martin though and it is going to take alot for me to forgive him.

heres a clue to any fan of another team- we dont give a **** about your opinion right now whether its right or wrong so just go away

How bout we bash the fact that the game wasn't a sellout? They will make my tears slightly less bitter.

I wish we had a coach that would blast the league.

Heres a rule:

"Any contact by an opposing player made against a goalie attempting to make a save will result in NO GOAL unless it was deemed that the opposing player was pushed into the path of the goaltender by a member of his own team. A goaltender interference penalty shall be assessed if the incident [fits that rule]."

Good enough? Is that not clear enough?

So you stopped marty from closing out the angle and say you didn't interfere him.. cool

Thats what I was thinking. I was like, wtf is this kid talking about. The Canes colour guy pissed me off the most.

Does anyone know how much more mellow I'd feel right now if the Devils had legitimately lost in OT?

I hope Dano is blasting the refs. He can pretty much speak his mind and not get in trouble.

Forget the ****ing call. We have a case to whine but you couldn't call that the other way.

Right now the canes are all riding high on a half-earned cloud of jubilation, lucky as **** to be coming out of that game with the series 2-2.

Right now every Devil player is thinking they would sell their parents and children into bondage for a win in game 5 after giving that game away.

Advantage - us.

Game 5 will be just what the doctor ordered. If we don't win by 3 goals I'll be surprised.

That said, I felt coming into this game that if we won to go up 3-1 I'd be surprised if we won 5 at home against a desperate team. These Devils lack that killer instinct right now and it will be tough for them to keep this from going 7.

Also, thank the lord for gin.

Good, Marty isn't *****footing around them, laying the smackdown on the refs.

as much as I love PMart, that was a dumb play.

really tough way to lose..i still think you guys have this in seven with each team winning their home games..good luck

If anything, I think this actually makes the Devils stronger. Nothing is more scary than an angry, angry Brodeur. I predict a shut-out next game for him.

i stll cant believe noone ****in went down to block the shot

those years we won the cups........all our D men were bruised from blocking every shot from the point...........I havent seen us do that this year

We all need to give the refs a big booooooooooooo on Thursday when they come out on to the ice!!!!!!!!!

I can't be in this anymore. I'm heading over to the happy thread. Too many ridiculous whiners.

Heres a rule:

"Any contact by an opposing player made against a goalie attempting to make a save will result in NO GOAL unless it was deemed that the opposing player was pushed into the path of the goaltender by a member of his own team. A goaltender interference penalty shall be assessed if the incident [fits that rule]."

Good enough? Is that not clear enough?

Thank you, just posted that on the main board for all the dumb *****.

Why does it always have to end so dramatically? 60 minutes people! That's 3600 seconds, or 3,600,000 MILLISECONDS

the Situation Room officials agreed with the call on the ice, that it looked like the goalie, Martin Brodeur, moved out toward the skater.

And if it was called "no goal", "the situation room officials" would have agreed with that call too. Toronto always covers azz

We should be going into overtime. This is the biggest ******** I've ever seen as a fan. You simply CANNOT let this happen in a playoff game. Even the linesman looked at the ref like "are you gonna call that?"

lol

I noticed that too, it's a look like, "soooooo, what are we doing here?"

Good, Marty isn't *****footing around them, laying the smackdown on the refs.

Yeah, he called the officiating on the 3rd and 4th goals "awful"

If anything, I think this actually makes the Devils stronger. Nothing is more scary than an angry, angry Brodeur. I predict a shut-out next game for him.

OH GRATE N NOW U RAG$$ FANZ HAVE TO GO AN JINX US NOW TOO WTF GET BACKS TO UR OWN BORED WTFBBQ

Oh sutter, you take the sting off

Good, Marty isn't *****footing around them, laying the smackdown on the refs.

I'm hoping the same can be said for you :sarcasm:

they played a hell of a third period. they deserve to be in OT.

In case you thought I meant the game, I saw the entire game -- just not the "interference".

The 3rd period could possibly be one of the most exciting periods of hockey I have seen since... the Penguins game earlier this year :laugh: (+ a lot more meaning). Such an intense display of hockey.

The Devils got **** funneled down their throat for 39 minutes.. imagine if they just sucked a little less? :shakehead

Jamie you better ****ing come back for game 5 and lead this team to victory.

Islander fan who watched the game. Hope you don't kill me too much but I do not think that was interference.

Marty was so far out of his crease, how can a ref call that. Also he squared to the shooter after he was hit. It just beat him. Even if it was interference on purpose(his back was to Marty), the puck was not comming at the net at that time. It had nothing to do with the play.

Futhermore, I think that this has been the best series so far. To bad the NHL does not think so.

I think that Marty is going to go on a rampage and shut the Cans out in game 5.

It had nothing to do w/ the play?? I think it had a lot to do w/ that play, don't ya think?

As gracious and non-confrotational as you are trying to be in this post..why must non-Devils fans come in here and 'voice their opinion' after such a tough loss. Especially when it was such a heartbreaker and most likely something that we don't want to hear. Would you want a fan of another team to be a 'voice of reason' after a tough loss w/ .2 seconds for your team?

This doesn't just go for you..but for the Rags, Canes, Leafs and whomever else felt the need to add their 2 cents.

Ok, I've cooled down a tiny bit. With 6 seconds left and Martin having the puck behind the net, I was thinking to myself, "ok, he's gonna either hold it there or blast it around behind the net." What does he do? He tries a lame ass backhand pitchfork. That **** never works.

Time to reset my ass ref stop trying to save your dam ass. U ****ed up admit it already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cause it won't be fun for u thursday!

If anything, I think this actually makes the Devils stronger. Nothing is more scary than an angry, angry Brodeur. I predict a shut-out next game for him.

http://anyeventuality.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/Bianche%20Two-Face%20Cropped%2080pc.JPG

Singin' a different tune in this thread, huh?

Hopefully one good thing can come out of that ****ing ********. Hopefully the devils finally get pissed off and decide to play to their potential and ****ing run over Carolina on Thursday.

i'm actually really looking forward to Thursday now.
Brodeur is pissed as **** on home ice. so is Sutter.

this reminds me of Game 3 in the 2003 playoffs against Tampa. We were down 3 goals, lost Stevens for the game, tied it up, but still lost in overtime. We battled back, and the rest was history. We'll be fine guys. Time to go home, feed off the crowd and come out blazing.

Wow - Sutter very calm and not angry about the non-call. He's even being optimistic about "we had to come in here and get a win and we did that"

And with all the Ranger fans suddenly swarming in here - I'm done before I get an infraction (which I would get if I was doing the same thing on the Ranger board after a loss).

Love the double standards - both on the ice and now on our boards.

buh bye


Agreed. Its ridiculous with all these ****ers parading onto our boards after a loss.

And Bravo to Sutter for keeping his cool. He could've went off but he realizes it would accomplish nothing.

I will not ask you guys to be happy now, but please journey on over to the Believers thread before you leave and do something else...like watch SouthPark or something.

We need this:

7rUyfHmODxQ

http://anyeventuality.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/Bianche%20Two-Face%20Cropped%2080pc.JPG

Singin' a different tune in this thread, huh?

:laugh: Well you know how it goes down.:shakehead

IGNORE TROLLS! They will be taken care of, just don't bring it up!

The good news is, we're in Carolina's head. They are happy about the win, but they know they're lucky. They had a 3-0 lead and barely got by us, and they needed help to do it. The Devils are feeling good knowing no lead is safe and that they were screwed.

They're going to come out flying and Carolina is at 2-2 but they're lucky, and they know it. LETS GO DEVILS!!!!!!!!!!

http://anyeventuality.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/Bianche%20Two-Face%20Cropped%2080pc.JPG

Singin' a different tune in this thread, huh?

Not really. Just don't feel like getting in a pissing match against a ton of pissed off Devils fans. At least not on their own board. :)

I (the refs and now the NHL) believe it was not interference. But I know damn well having seen Brodeur play all my life that this will do nothing but motivate him. It's a big time thing for him and has been his whole career. He's done quite well through adversity (****, look at what was going on with his ex when she was calling him and such).

I think you guys (like Dev-RU) will come to find that that was a good call when all is said and done and you calm down a bit.

this reminds me of Game 3 in the 2003 playoffs against Tampa. We were down 3 goals, lost Stevens for the game, tied it up, but still lost in overtime. We battled back, and the rest was history. We'll be fine guys. Time to go home, feed off the crowd and come out blazing.

check the Believers thread buddy :) unfortunately Dave Andreychuk scored late in the 3rd that night...just like tonight.

I just want our fans to be loud on Thursday....everyone show up and cheer your butts off!

After Marty was interfered with, the shot was taken less than 2 seconds afterwards, he did not have enought time to re-set as the dumb ref said.

Long story short it would have never happened if Martin just ate the puck along the boards for 4 more seconds.

I just want our fans to be loud on Thursday....everyone show up and cheer your butts off!

Whats the o/u on Rangers Suck chants? A lot of steam to blow off so I say the number is pretty high :laugh:

this reminds me of Game 3 in the 2003 playoffs against Tampa. We were down 3 goals, lost Stevens for the game, tied it up, but still lost in overtime. We battled back, and the rest was history. We'll be fine guys. Time to go home, feed off the crowd and come out blazing.

But we didn't lose on a fluke goal and Scott Stevens came back the next game.

im going to boo the refs like ive never booed anyone in my life on thursday

Not really. Just don't feel like getting in a pissing match against a ton of pissed off Devils fans. At least not on their own board. :)

I (the refs and now the NHL) believe it was not interference. But I know damn well having seen Brodeur play all my life that this will do nothing but motivate him. It's a big time thing for him and has been his whole career. He's done quite well through adversity (****, look at what was going on with his ex when she was calling him and such).

I think you guys (like Dev-RU) will come to find that that was a good call when all is said and done and you calm down a bit.


"Naslund moves in...save....rebound..SCORE!!! NO! Aw, wide open net, it hit the post and went out! Callahan had a big chance....."

meanwhile, 2 seconds later...

"and..(unintelligible stumble) save by Lundqvist!..ah...and that's put in by Semin again, his 2nd of the game!

im going to boo the refs like ive never booed anyone in my life on thursday

I am right with you

Which ref had the perfect view of the play? Was it Furlatt or McCauley?

Whats the o/u on Rangers Suck chants? A lot of steam to blow off so I say the number is pretty high :laugh:

I don't even wanna think about it...I may not have my sign because I am going to be amped up on Thursday!

Yeah, he called the officiating on the 3rd and 4th goals "awful"

Everyone is pissed off about the game "winning" goal obviously, but the goalie interference on the 3rd Carolina goal was BLATANT and OBVIOUS. It should have resulted in a Devils powerplay. Instead? It's a Cane's goal.

our post game thread is bigger than Carolina's GDT.

Fail.

Christ, there were 22 shots on goal for the Canes in the second. Pathetic. Is that how you make up for an awful first period?

I don't even wanna think about it...I may not have my sign because I am going to be amped up on Thursday!
You won't bring the sign! :sarcasm:
our post game thread is bigger than Carolina's GDT.

Fail.
The entire population of NC is at the game.. Kidding, my first joke at Canes fans :shakehead

Everyone is pissed off about the game "winning" goal obviously, but the goalie interference on the 3rd Carolina goal was BLATANT and OBVIOUS. It should have resulted in a Devils powerplay. Instead? It's a Cane's goal.
Why the hell didn't Marty argue that? He was in the blue, so he had every right to according to the refs' "rulebook" tonight.

Now I know how it must feel to be a North Dakota/Princeton/AirForce/Northeastern (oh wait already am :( )/Miami fan...

This is depressing.

But unlike our college counterparts, we are still alive in this series, and fight we will. Let's show up to game 5 like we did in game 1. Let's shake it off and quit complaining. Not gonna do us any good.

Hurricanes didn't even have a Gomez. That's sad.

They should have stayed in Hartford.

Not really. Just don't feel like getting in a pissing match against a ton of pissed off Devils fans. At least not on their own board. :)

I (the refs and now the NHL) believe it was not interference. But I know damn well having seen Brodeur play all my life that this will do nothing but motivate him. It's a big time thing for him and has been his whole career. He's done quite well through adversity (****, look at what was going on with his ex when she was calling him and such).

I think you guys (like Dev-RU) will come to find that that was a good call when all is said and done and you calm down a bit.

I think the call is borderline, but of course the Devils don't get it. There's no consistency in this league.

I just don't like the herd coming over here. We'll see if there is no consistency on this forum tomorrrow, too.

Just got home from the bar....

Positive things to take away:

1. We came back from a 3-0 deficit.
2. Fourth Line scores TWICE
3. Martin extends his assist streak (although his boneheaded play at the end may negate that) and Gio scores with less than 30 seconds left in a period in two straight.
4. They only scored when Marty got bumped.
5. Good PK.

Negative things:

1. Salvador obviously.
2. Giving up a ****load of shots.
3. Uninspired PP again.
4. No one telling the Devils that there's 3 periods to hockey and you should show up for the first two.


Now onto the last 00.2 seconds of the game....I had a feeling they were gonna score there, the Devils laid back into their typical passive mentality that always gets them in trouble in five on five, it should not look like a power play for the other team. The icing on the cake was Martin trying the homerun clear...there's 10 seconds left, hold the puck, freeze it somewhere, outmuscle and just be done. If there's 30 seconds left, sure go for the clear, make them regroup, but 10 ****ing ticks, MAN UP.

Rule 69.1

Read it

Hurricanes didn't even have a Gomez. That's sad.

They should have stayed in Hartford.

bring back the Whale!

My report button is on fire!

Guys PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....just hit the report button instead of quoting them! It will be a huge favor to the mods....and then you won't get in trouble!

Well, we KNOW the devils will come out balls to the wall. At this point, there is no holding back, 150% isn't enough from anyone.

Complaining will do us no good. Whether it was interference or not is irrelevant at this point. We lost. We got dominated for the majority of the game. Let's go back home and win game 5! Enough with the crying.

Now that I look back at it, we nearly pulled off a 2006 Montreal comeback, the game we won that cliched the Atlantic division. It was practically the same game script. ****.

Why the hell didn't Marty argue that? He was in the blue, so he had every right to according to the refs' "rulebook" tonight.

He did but he isn't going to get himself and unsportsmanlike penalty in the middle of a game. In his post game interview he said the ref gave him the explanation of "I had enough time reset myself" after both goals.

I think the call is borderline, but of course the Devils don't get it. There's no consistency in this league.

I just don't like the herd coming over here. We'll see if there is no consistency on this forum tomorrrow, too.

I changed my view slightly after watching yet another replay. I think both were at fault. Brodeur tried to draw a penalty and Jokinen tried to get Brodeur off his game.

To me, the only way to rectify that is to call neither and let the play stand. I do think that Brodeur would have made the save had he not tried to draw the call, though. Was not a very difficult shot to face for him.

And for the record, I think the Canes are a bunch of diving, whining, goalie running *******s. I always hate when the Rangers play that team. Ruutu nearly injured Lundvist pretty badly the last time we played them.

Christ, there were 22 shots on goal for the Canes in the second. Pathetic. Is that how you make up for an awful first period?

Hey it worked, they were lulling the Canes into a state of over confidence so they could strike back in the late stages of the 2nd and then in the third!!! :D

Hurricanes didn't even have a Gomez. That's sad.

They should have stayed in Hartford.

What was the attendance and what is their capacity?
We shouldn't throw stones on attendance either.

My report button is on fire!

Guys PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....just hit the report button instead of quoting them! It will be a huge favor to the mods....and then you won't get in trouble!

Where is this report button you speak of? Yes im a noob :shakehead

I've never said whether I thought it was interference or not because I bailed when it was in the net. What the hell do I need to watch a replay for, I can see the clock, I know it's in...

I don't know that it was and it's too easy an excuse to make up for the mistakes that led up to the play. If they want to rally around it, fine, but I don't play for the team.

Now that I look back at it, we nearly pulled off a 2006 Montreal comeback, the game we won that cliched the Atlantic division. It was practically the same game script. ****.

that was running through my mind after the second goal.

well he did get bumped pretty good there.. i understand why you guys are upset, hey your on home ice for 2 out of the last 3 though you guys can pull it out.. good luck

Where is this report button you speak of? Yes im a noob :shakehead

Under your name...there's a triangle with an exclamation point in it! It's your friend...use it!

Oh yeah now Greene and Havelid together. Oh lord.