Playoff PTC anyone? 4/15 vs. Carolina

I don't think this'll be a sellout, but I'll guess 15,257. I do think the other three games will sellout though - Game 2 cause it's Friday and the other two because of importance, though I could see Game 5 falling short if heaven forbid the Devils are down 3-1.

EDIT: Well I'm no longer sure about Game 2 with all the discounts, and I had to downgrade my guess because of it :shakehead

Game 1? I think anything in the range of 15,000 will be reasonable.

15142

Sell out. Book it.


Scoops

16,200

With what our playoff ticket prices anything sort of a sellout will be embarassing.:shakehead 17,625 or bust!:rant:

With what our playoff ticket prices anything sort of a sellout will be embarassing.:shakehead 17,625 or bust!:rant:

The ticket prices are the problem. And since it's also Carolina on a weeknight it won't sellout. Maybe on Friday though.

The ticket prices are the problem. And since it's also Carolina on a weeknight it won't sellout. Maybe on Friday though.

What's so bad about them?

I can see the balcony being bad, but now they have the promos

Look at other teams pricing.. We're fortunate

LOL oh yeah we are fortunate. Habs tix are 150$ each in the 200's even if they have free food, its expensive. With 150$ u could sit in the lower bowl at the pru center. I dont know why complain about the pricing, yeah sure there is some sections that are over priced but in general sections are well priced. If next year we don't get an average of 16,500 with the new pricing, its not the pricing, it must be the fans. Paying 49$ to sit behind the net is probably the best price around the league in the top teams.


edit: well you guys are fortunate :)

I'll say a gomez because if it gets close to 17,000 the Devils will probably just announce it as a sellout.

Lots of $45, $50 and $65 on TM still but somehow all the $95 tickets are gone? Seems odd. I think the upper deck seats will eventually go but I'm not sure about the balcony.

I'm going to guess 16,850.

Lots of $45, $50 and $65 on TM still but somehow all the $95 tickets are gone? Seems odd. I think the upper deck seats will eventually go but I'm not sure about the balcony.

I'm going to guess 16,850.

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I didn't see any playoff balcony discounts. That changes things a bit although I still don't see a game 1 sellout happening.

i'll say Gomez and be adventurous.

15,290

thats terrible if we dont sell out. Honestly, what other team doesnt sell out playoff games?

thats terrible if we dont sell out. Honestly, what other team doesnt sell out playoff games?

http://quicktime.cnnsi.com/hockey/nhl/boxscores/2003/04/15/bos_njd/

That was in Boston and the place holds 17,500 give or or take.

True i guess there are some others....just hoping it doesnt look like this lol http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/1893216634_78263d87fd.jpg?v=0

True i guess there are some others....just hoping it doesnt look like this lol http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/1893216634_78263d87fd.jpg?v=0

That's probably about right.

True i guess there are some others....just hoping it doesnt look like this lol http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/1893216634_78263d87fd.jpg?v=0

that from last season? Because the top is busier than the bottom.

I actually think the discounts are more likely to goose it.

Yea I dont know when that was from, and im not actually expecting it to look anywhere close to as empty as that. I think at least 16,000 will be there including myself.

Yea I dont know when that was from, and im not actually expecting it to look anywhere close to as empty as that. I think at least 16,000 will be there including myself.

Now I don't know about that. I just pulled up 12 in a row in 123 row 6. Do you think rows 7-14 are sold?

I guess not, maybe people will buy tickets now after seeing the schedule. Bottom line, I'd rather win with 14k in the building than lose with a sellout.

http://quicktime.cnnsi.com/hockey/nhl/boxscores/2003/04/15/bos_njd/

That was in Boston and the place holds 17,500 give or or take.

And everyone around New England is practically a B's fan. Imagine if we got to draw from areas of fans like some other teams?

Im guessing like 16,500 for Wednesday and a sellout for Friday. All I care about is me being there both games.

I guess not, maybe people will buy tickets now after seeing the schedule. Bottom line, I'd rather win with 14k in the building than lose with a sellout.

:nod:

14,758 for Game-1.

But as was already posted, a win is all that matters. As long as everyone is juiced and boistrous it will sound loud at 14-15k.
Remember, about 5-6k Rags fans sounded real loud at The Rock last spring.

14,758 for Game-1.

But as was already posted, a win is all that matters. As long as everyone is juiced and boistrous it will sound loud at 14-15k.
Remember, about 5-6k Rags fans sounded real loud at The Rock last spring.

If it's empty, it's still depressing, though. Actually finally looked on TM, it doesn't look too great. Hopefully marketing guy can work his magic again.

It's kinda mystifying to me why they went down this road, because if it's empty, they're going to get pointed and laughed at a whole lot. I'm sure JV will be sure to throw us under the bus, though.

Those who won't buy tickets because of the prices, hard to use it as an excuse now (Courtesy of DevsOwnYou)

http://www.stubhub.com/new-jersey-devils-playoff-tickets/devils-vs-hurricanes-4-15-2009-799878/

Those who won't buy tickets because of the prices, hard to use it as an excuse now (Courtesy of DevsOwnYou)

http://www.stubhub.com/new-jersey-devils-playoff-tickets/devils-vs-hurricanes-4-15-2009-799878/

That's a further indication of how ugly it could be.

Looking at all of this, and considering there's no way the lower bowl is sold, this could be one of the smallest crowds of the season, throwing out the October/November games around when Marty got hurt.

I'll make my prediction tomorrow night, but I'm thinking low 13K's.

They ****ed up bad.

BTW, you can have a terrace table (assuming goal bar, but it could be downstairs too) for the paltry sum of ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS (give or take $5 here or there).
Wait, now didn't they just offer up a luxury box for $1,650 for 20 people? With pizzas and all? So, a table that comes with nothing for $1,000... or that.

Seriously, who are the ****ing chimps that do the pricing for this team.

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Those who won't buy tickets because of the prices, hard to use it as an excuse now (Courtesy of DevsOwnYou)

http://www.stubhub.com/new-jersey-devils-playoff-tickets/devils-vs-hurricanes-4-15-2009-799878/

Someone please explain to me how there are whole rows for sale on stubhub. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Someone please explain to me how there are whole rows for sale on stubhub. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Easy....Ticket brokers bought up these seats hoping for a matchup with the Rags, since that did not happen they are forced to sell at fire sale prices. These will count in the attendance figures though so I am guessing we can break 15K, which still stinks.

What's wrong with 15,000+, esp when you consider the following:

A)Carolina on a weeknight
B)Yes, ticket prices. If the promos are marketed well, they'll get more. And don't compare ours to Canadian teams or teams making the playoffs for the first time in a long time, which brings me to
C)They made the playoffs 12 years in a row. So it's typical that people get spoiled and act like, "Wake me when we're in the Finals or ECF" It's the Atlanta Braves comparison.
D) We won't be the only recent team to not have near capaicity in the first round(Red Wings anyone? Predators anyone?)
E)We drew 14,000+ against the Lightning and Senators in our last year at CAA or Izod or whatever they call it.

Those who won't buy tickets because of the prices, hard to use it as an excuse now (Courtesy of DevsOwnYou)

http://www.stubhub.com/new-jersey-devils-playoff-tickets/devils-vs-hurricanes-4-15-2009-799878/

Wow. That is unreal. The highest price ticket isn't even face value of the seat it's for!

Upper decks going for half price, eesh, this could be ugly. I can't believe we're sitting here saying, "ehh weeknight, carolina..." it's the goddamned playoffs!!!

What with baseball season just starting you'd think sports fans around here would be clamoring for a chance to witness a playoff atmosphere :naughty:

Easy....Ticket brokers bought up these seats hoping for a matchup with the Rags, since that did not happen they are forced to sell at fire sale prices.


EBAY, Craigslist, Stubhub, DevilsExchange

It's an absolute bloodbath on all of them. I've seen sales for as little as $20 a ticket and $35 for lowers.

Its the Atlanta Braves complex alot of our fans have, and its a shame.
We could have sold out a 35,000 seat baseball stadium on a midweek night for 552, my 20 dollar ticket could have been sold for 150 dollars that night, I dont understand this.
And I hope I dont come home to a GDT 400 pages long of our fans complaning that we didnt sell out. Do you have anything to do Wednesday? Then gooooo.

Friday night will sell out no problem.

15828.

Not close enough to a sellout to Dolan it up.

I don't care if there's 2 people in that arena, as long as we're loud!

The amount of complaints out there about this subject is sooo annoying!!

I don't care if there's 2 people in that arena, as long as we're loud and we win!

The amount of complaints out there about this subject is sooo annoying!!

You forgot the most important part! ;)

Well me and Marty's Backup have that covered.

Well me and Marty's Backup have that covered.

Aren't there like 4 people on here in that section?

I know you 2, and Kyle, are sitting over there.. I think there's one more

You forgot the most important part! ;)

GB's head?

Well me and Marty's Backup have that covered.

Of course you do!

Aren't there like 4 people on here in that section?

I know you 2, and Kyle, are sitting over there.. I think there's one more

BR is over there as well.

Aren't there like 4 people on here in that section?

I know you 2, and Kyle, are sitting over there.. I think there's one more

That would be me the one everyone tends to forget lol

Edit: Just notice CJ said it already.

GB's head?

Huh?

:huh:

When I said I don't care if there are 2 people there...obviously I was talking about you and me....you said I forgot the most important part, I said..."GB's head"?

Anyway...it's Tuesday (well Monday for me since I didn't work yesterday), I'm tired and exhausted.

I don't care how many people are there...JUST BE LOUD!

When I said I don't care if there are 2 people there...obviously I was talking about you and me....you said I forgot the most important part, I said..."GB's head"?

Anyway...it's Tuesday (well Monday for me since I didn't work yesterday), I'm tired and exhausted.

I don't care how many people are there...JUST BE LOUD!

Ahhhhh..:dunce:

I don't care if there's 2 people in that arena, as long as we're loud!

The amount of complaints out there about this subject is sooo annoying!!

Then maybe this isn't the topic for you. If the team wasn't run by a bunch of retards, maybe there wouldn't be any complaints.

On that retardation, how does someone on Stubhub have 16 seats in a row when we weren't allowed to buy strips upstairs?

I'm sorry, it's disgraceful, some of it goes off on the bandwagoners, but most of it goes off on the team having no ****ing clue, and I'm sick of taking the "bad fan" blame for an organization that doesn't know their head from their ass.

As for the PTC, 13,728. I'm not purposely lowballing it, that's what I think it'll be. Which is pretty disgraceful.

Then maybe this isn't the topic for you. If the team wasn't run by a bunch of retards, maybe there wouldn't be any complaints.

On that retardation, how does someone on Stubhub have 16 seats in a row when we weren't allowed to buy strips upstairs?

I'm sorry, it's disgraceful, some of it goes off on the bandwagoners, but most of it goes off on the team having no ****ing clue, and I'm sick of taking the "bad fan" blame for an organization that doesn't know their head from their ass.

As for the PTC, 13,728. I'm not purposely lowballing it, that's what I think it'll be. Which is pretty disgraceful.

This topic has been beaten to death since I've been on Devils message boards. It gets old, the complaints are worn out, just move on people.

This is NOT your problem to worry about, it's the Devils problem. And if they knew their butt from their elbow maybe things would be different. We all know this is not the case, so instead of CONSTANTLY complaining about it, just move along and let it go.

As far as Stubhub goes...it's ticket liquidators/brokers with those seats...they've had them ALL season long!

Then maybe this isn't the topic for you. If the team wasn't run by a bunch of retards, maybe there wouldn't be any complaints.

On that retardation, how does someone on Stubhub have 16 seats in a row when we weren't allowed to buy strips upstairs?

I'm sorry, it's disgraceful, some of it goes off on the bandwagoners, but most of it goes off on the team having no ****ing clue, and I'm sick of taking the "bad fan" blame for an organization that doesn't know their head from their ass.

As for the PTC, 13,728. I'm not purposely lowballing it, that's what I think it'll be. Which is pretty disgraceful.
Bingo.
http://www.frankdilello.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/randyquaid.jpg
You should call up the Devils and ask that question about the uppers. If they were available in the upper deck I would have probably sprung for one.

This topic has been beaten to death since I've been on Devils message boards. It gets old, the complaints are worn out, just move on people.

This is NOT your problem to worry about, it's the Devils problem. And if they knew their butt from their elbow maybe things would be different. We all know this is not the case, so instead of CONSTANTLY complaining about it, just move along and let it go.

But the point is, he's 100% correct. I understand your point that complaining isnt going to improve the situation, but neither does your "earmuffs" stance. I for one enjoy reading people's posts about the business side of the sport, even when it is negative about the team I love, because I find it helps me reconcile in my head what's going on with the ticketing (both good and bad). And sometimes people think of things that I might not have considered/thought of and I learn something useful.

This topic has been beaten to death since I've been on Devils message boards. It gets old, the complaints are worn out, just move on people.

This is NOT your problem to worry about, it's the Devils problem. And if they knew their butt from their elbow maybe things would be different. We all know this is not the case, so instead of CONSTANTLY complaining about it, just move along and let it go.

As far as Stubhub goes...it's ticket liquidators/brokers with those seats...they've had them ALL season long!

I can't let it go because I've been watching them run it into the ground for 12 years and nothing has changed. Getting the arena was a fluke, and without that fluke they wouldn't even be here.

I'm just beyond sick of it now. Who do you think is going to take the **** for the place being empty? If they win the game 18-2, what do you think they're going to talk about in the TSN intermission show? I just do not understand why they don't
get it. Do they get off on being embarassed, or are they just so concerned about ripping off hypothetical Rangers fans to make a $2M gate that they don't care if their own fans see the game? Why do they lie to their own fans about seat availablity and ticket strips to have brokers end up with things that are "sold out" and that you can't purchase? Is it because they take a cut?

But the point is, he's 100% correct. I understand your point that complaining isnt going to improve the situation, but neither does your "earmuffs" stance. I for one enjoy reading people's posts about the business side of the sport, even when it is negative about the team I love, because I find it helps me reconcile in my head what's going on with the ticketing (both good and bad). And sometimes people think of things that I might not have considered/thought of and I learn something useful.

Whether he's correct or not isn't my point. My point is year in and year out, whether it be at the beginning of the season or when the playoffs arrive, this topic always has to be brought up.

It is what it is...just annoy the game and let the business people handle it. There's absolutely NOTHING we as fans can do and that's been proved over and over again by this team!

My point is year in and year out, whether it be at the beginning of the season or when the playoffs arrive, this topic always has to be brought up.

I hear you, but I do think this current situation is unique and different from the past in that (and I 100% HOPE I'm as wrong as is mathematically possible), but I genuinely believe tomorrow might be the most "Epic Attendance Fail" in the history of this franchise, and it's NOT the fan base's fault.

I hear you, but I do think this current situation is unique and different from the past in that (and I 100% HOPE I'm as wrong as is mathematically possible), but I genuinely believe tomorrow might be the most "Epic Attendance Fail" in the history of this franchise, and it's NOT the fan base's fault.

It usually never is! We as Devils fans know that it's not the fans and that it's the front office.

Do you guys REALLY care what others think of our fan base? If that's where they have to draw the negative from, then they're grasping for straws and can go screw themselves!

It just doesnt help CJ when Vanderbeek has these fits of ignorance when it comes to certain things.

After seeing the 552 turnout, literally not one empty seat in the entire building, JVBK and the front office may have gotten a little too big for there britches when it came to playoff prices and ticket strategy.
It just obnoxious, there is something wrong when a meaningless regular season finale against the same team sells out, but game 1 of the playoffs against that same team wont.

**** it though, I am going to be so drunk come faceoff that I am going to think that I am in a Roman Coliseum. And Friday's game should have no problem selling out.

It usually never is! We as Devils fans know that it's not the fans and that it's the front office.

Do you guys REALLY care what others think of our fan base? If that's where they have to draw the negative from, then they're grasping for straws and can go screw themselves!

I don't care what they think of me, I just wish they would blame the right person/people, once.... ever.

I don't care what they think of me, I just wish they would blame the right person/people, once.... ever.

I too, do not care, but I'm not looking for blame assignment either. I want accountability.

Usually it takes a Union to be able to explain how such ineptness can exist for so long without people being fired. Not the case here.

Phase 1 - Do not allow fans to buy as many upper level tickets as possible through 8 game strips. Lie that they are sold out. Instead give them to ticket brokers.
Phase 2 - Raise the prices of playoff tickets usually bought by the best fans in the arena, ie the upper deck.
Phase 3 -
Phase 4 - Profit

I sold my season ticket because I thought I couldn't go. But now I can go and I just got 2 in section 5 for $31 apiece. I honestly can't believe this arena is going to be half empty tomorrow night, even though the announced crowd will probably be in the 15,000 range.

If there are 11,000 fannies actually in the building tomorrow night, I'll be shocked.

This will look awful and quite frankly, the Devils will deserve all of the egg on their faces, that is, if they even care.

I agree Lou, but places like tsn will go after the fans rather than the Devils themselves. And our front office will just ignore there own ignorance because Friday will be a sellout.

I agree Lou, but places like tsn will go after the fans rather than the Devils themselves. And our front office will just ignore there own ignorance because Friday will be a sellout.

It is amazing how many *rows* are in the hands of scalpers. Even in my section where there's scattered STH's. What gives here, were the scalpers let in on the STH pre-sale?

And your point is what pisses me off about this. The way it will be put is "look at what Lou has done for these people, new arena, consistant winning team, and this is how they pay them back, these are horrible fans and the team should be in Hamilton where people would appreciate them."

Of course while ignoring that there's two sides to a hockey business and for as good as the Devils are (maybe were) in that hockey side, they are so ****ing atrocious on the other end it makes your head spin. I truly believe I could run the off-the-ice organization better... BY MYSELF.

And what makes the situation weirder is that the meaningless season finale against these same Canes sold out. I know its out of our hands but I have a feeling a lot of undeserved slack is gonna be headed the fans way and it sucks. Denying fans 8 game strips in the upper deck is one of the biggest boners in our clubs business history.

Can any fan buy an 8 game strip in the upper level?
If so, it would not surprise me to see a scalper or a Rags/Flyers fan thinking we were going to play in the first round, so they bought an 8-game strip for 10 of their freinds.

We can try to get friends/co-workers/family to get tix for the playoff games too to help fill it up.
Other than that we should stop worrying about the attendance and focus on having a good time and cheering on the players. We come to watch the great sport of hockey, right?

The season finale was on a weekend with a promo, this is on a weekday...but yeah it is a bit odd.

And people get upset over the scalpers having these tickets because that's why, in part, so many Ranger fans get to show up here.

Can any fan buy an 8 game strip in the upepr level?
If so, it would not surprise me to see a scalper or a Rags/Flyers fan thinking we were going to play in the first round, so they bought an 8-game strip for 10 of their freinds.

No, that was one of the big contreversies, they weren't ever offering the upper level for strips. They claimed it was sold out before individual upper tickets magically popped up during the public sale :sarcasm:

Sorry for the double post.

Can any fan buy an 8 game strip in the upper level?
If so, it would not surprise me to see a scalper or a Rags/Flyers fan thinking we were going to play in the first round, so they bought an 8-game strip for 10 of their freinds.

We can try to get friends/co-workers/family to get tix for the playoff games too to help fill it up.
Other than that we should stop worrying about the attendance and focus on having a good time and cheering on the players. We come to watch the great sport of hockey, right?

Scalpers got strips during the STH presale, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind of this, and it explains the dirt cheap prices on some of the stubhub seats, because STH face is very different than general public face. Someone who is dumping off seats in 13/14 for $35-40 is not taking as big of a loss as you think.

There has to be a way for them to get the first round of the playoffs sold earlier - maybe in some type of package deal with reg season games.

The only trick would be to minimize cannibalization of regular season sales...and another problem is no set game dates until a couple days before round starts. but hey, these people get paid to sell tickets - figure out a damn creative way to get it done- bottom line

I'm starting to think those guys from StubHub are either Ranger fans thinking we might play them in round 1 or casual fans hoping for a more intriguing matchup that when they found out it was Carolina, they decided to drop them.

And not for nothing, but the Flyers have over 1100 tickets available on StubHub for Sunday. The Bruins have about 980 for Thursday, the Blues with over 320 for Sunday.

these stubhub sellers are people who bought extras at the season ticket holder price - this guaranteed the same low price straight through to the Stanley Cup finals (which looked like a good bet at the time the Devils offered this deal to season ticket holders)

but they had to buy all rounds and got stuck with an unattractive matchup for resale. they will clean up if the Devils make the finals though

these stubhub sellers are people who bought extras at the season ticket holder price - this guaranteed the same low price straight through to the Stanley Cup finals (which looked like a good bet at the time the Devils offered this deal to season ticket holders)

but they had to buy all rounds and got stuck with an unattractive matchup for resale. they will clean up if the Devils make the finals though

In other words, the Devils office is so stupid they hustled themselves. Alarm bells didn't go off when someone asked for 14-20 strips when they only owned 2 seats?

So, the scalpers make the money if the Devils go to the finals, the Devils get $49. And the scalpers end up reselling the tickets at a low price, the Devils can't match the price and don't move extra inventory, especially in sections where they have no STH.

In other words, the Devils office is so stupid they hustled themselves. Alarm bells didn't go off when someone asked for 14-20 strips when they only owned 2 seats?

So, the scalpers make the money if the Devils go to the finals, the Devils get $49. And the scalpers end up reselling the tickets at a low price, the Devils can't match the price and don't move extra inventory, especially in sections where they have no STH.

not stupid, they know- but this is the situation they are in. They needed to offer incentive to get people to buy extra tix for earlier rounds. They figure it is better to get some tix sold for guaranteed earlier round games than to have them go unsold.

I'm starting to think those guys from StubHub are either Ranger fans thinking we might play them in round 1 or casual fans hoping for a more intriguing matchup that when they found out it was Carolina, they decided to drop them.

And not for nothing, but the Flyers have over 1100 tickets available on StubHub for Sunday. The Bruins have about 980 for Thursday, the Blues with over 320 for Sunday.

it's not the amount, it's the prices

In other words, the Devils office is so stupid they hustled themselves. Alarm bells didn't go off when someone asked for 14-20 strips when they only owned 2 seats?

So, the scalpers make the money if the Devils go to the finals, the Devils get $49. And the scalpers end up reselling the tickets at a low price, the Devils can't match the price and don't move extra inventory, especially in sections where they have no STH.

The big scalpers and companies are all STH themselves to take advantage of the rules. So yeah, they gamed the system. Keep in mind though, Game 1 is the "perfect bloodbath storm" so to speak, where a combination of factors came together to depress sales to that game. You're not going to see prices this low for any other game of the playoffs.


EDIT: And I do think the Devils fibbing to the diehard fans that can only afford UL 8-game strips (the college students, the blue collar guy making $30,000), is an absolute disgrace from both a business standpoint and a PR standpoint.

not stupid, they know- but this is the situation they are in. They needed to offer incentive to get people to buy extra tix for earlier rounds. They figure it is better to get some tix sold for guaranteed earlier round games than to have them go unsold.

here's the problem, though... the same seats are being sold twice. at prices that undercut anything the Devils can sell. so, how do the Devils sell tickets when 1,500 to 2,000 tickets (maybe even more, because they're selling as fast as they go up) go out for less than anything on the ticketmaster page?

You can't sell $100's, you can't sell $65's, and you can't justify spending money on uppers with lowers out there for so cheap.

They really, really, really ****ed themselves over. If I were them, I'd buy all of the stubhub seats right now. I don't know if they're going to sell out a game for the first two rounds because the ticket sales cannibalize themselves.

It's really amazing the more I think about this, how inept this was. That being said, I have no idea how many seats will be sold tomorrow now It could be 14K or it could be close to 17K. It will obviously not sell out. But, if they want to sell tickets of their own at their prices, they better get those stubhubs out of there NOW.

here's the problem, though... the same seats are being sold twice. at prices that undercut anything the Devils can sell. so, how do the Devils sell tickets when 1,500 to 2,000 tickets (maybe even more, because they're selling as fast as they go up) go out for less than anything on the ticketmaster page?

You can't sell $100's, you can't sell $65's, and you can't justify spending money on uppers with lowers out there for so cheap.

They really, really, really ****ed themselves over. If I were them, I'd buy all of the stubhub seats right now. I don't know if they're going to sell out a game for the first two rounds because the ticket sales cannibalize themselves.

It's really amazing the more I think about this, how inept this was. That being said, I have no idea how many seats will be sold tomorrow now It could be 14K or it could be close to 17K. It will obviously not sell out. But, if they want to sell tickets of their own at their prices, they better get those stubhubs out of there NOW.

you are assuming they would have been able to sell all those rear lowers you see offered on Stubhub...it is more like they would not be able to sell them at all

this has been going on all year anyway - for any weeknight low demand game there are tix under face price

as this goes on, I'm actually starting to find this funny.

Just to remind everyone...the STH were NOT offered playoff strips in the upper levels. They were only offered in the 100's and below.

Just to remind everyone...the STH were NOT offered playoff strips in the upper levels. They were only offered in the 100's and below.

yeah, but something's weird.... I don't understand how someone would end up with a huge block of tickets without buying strips. far too unreliable as it goes game to game.

Do you guys REALLY care what others think of our fan base?

:laugh: Funny you said that (as late as I'm quoting it).
My dad's a Rags fan. Since the Devils have no on-ice failures he can use to diss the Devils, he resorts to the typical "no fans" arguments. So simply because I never hear the end of it in my own house, I somewhat care.

:laugh: Funny you said that (as late as I'm quoting it).
My dad's a Rags fan. Since the Devils have no on-ice failures he can use to diss the Devils, he resorts to the typical "no fans" arguments. So simply because I never hear the end of it in my own house, I somewhat care.

I actually had a Rangers fan say "4 cups to 3" to me once.

I actually had a Rangers fan say "4 cups to 3" to me once.

LOL
My neighbor said Richter was better than Brodeur, and he's my age. And I hope you're not a d-bag when you're drunk or I'll be scared ****less of you :laugh:

And this whole situation blows my mind. They've been in the same market for 27 years. How do you manage to dick up the tickets in such a dicktronomical manner?

I actually had a Rangers fan say "4 cups to 3" to me once.

3...I thought we only had 2.5 ?

3...I thought we only had 2.5 ?

Well obviously a cup in a shortened year means less than the 3 they won in the stone age.

Back in the original six era it was either the Habs winning it or they drew straws out of a boot to see who won it next.

LOL
My neighbor said Richter was better than Brodeur, and he's my age.

Ah yes, the "Richter Factor", over-blowing one accomplishment 100 fold to fluff the accomplishments of an otherwise average career. This is the reason Henrik Lundqvist is called the "King" because he won that elusive gold medal for Sweden. I guess Tommy Salo is the king too.
It really sickens me that I have to share the Yankees with alot of these people.

I always liked Richter, a good guy, a US hockey hero, but he doesn't crack the top 40 in goaltending all time in my opinion.

Ah yes, the "Richter Factor", over-blowing one accomplishment 100 fold to fluff the accomplishments of an otherwise average career. This is the reason Henrik Lundqvist is called the "King" because he won that elusive gold medal for Sweden. I guess Tommy Salo is the king too.
It really sickens me that I have to share the Yankees with alot of these people.

I always liked Richter, a good guy, a US hockey hero, but he doesn't crack the top 40 in goaltending all time in my opinion.

I seriously question the hockey knowledge of 90% of their "fans".

Over 1000 tickets on stubhub for first Flyers home game. LOL Wut.
People are going to make some serious bank on those.

Screw the attendance, as long as we win, I'm a happy camper. If we can beat the Hurricanes the first round and show that we're legit, we'll be able to sell out games in later rounds no problem.

You can't get a pair of $40 seats on ticketmaster. That's a good sign, right?

You can't get a pair of $40 seats on ticketmaster. That's a good sign, right?

I don't think we were too concerned with the 200's. It's the balconies that will be empty.

I don't think we were too concerned with the 200's. It's the balconies that will be empty.

Sarcasm. At least I'll have plenty of leg room in 107.

Sarcasm. At least I'll have plenty of leg room in 107.

Odd sarcasm.

I wish I waited...instead of $34 for 200's I could have $38 for 100's.

You can't get a pair of $40 seats on ticketmaster. That's a good sign, right?

It means either they've sold a TON of tickets in the last 24 hours or they're pulling their "ticket blockade" to make people buy more expensive seats.

If I may add my two cents on this Stubhub thing... First a disclaimer, this is only my theory, and maybe even someone on here has said something similar. I have no proof of this, just something I've been thinking about.

I don't think these are brokers selling these tickets, it's the Devils. All season long I've noticed those $95 seats occupied more and more as the season went on. They were almost all empty last season and occupied by Ranger fans in the playoffs. This year they lowered them to $49 for season tickets and sold a few more than last year, but at the start of the season there still were hardly any people in those seats.

I don't know if it was here or another message board, but I read that the Devils use a ton of those $95 seats every game to give to various charitable organizations in Newark to allow those less fortunate to attend games as well as expose hockey to Newark residents. I mean honestly, do we really think people paid $95 to sit there for a game against Minnesota to sell that place out? My guess is that either people from these groups are selling tickets they got for free for 100% profit OR the Devils themselves are putting these seats on there, hoping to fill them. I'm sure they can charge themselves anything they want for their own seats. This way, those seats are already listed as "sold" according to the attendance figure and it helps inflate the figure in the box score, and the Devils are making a few bucks off of seats they usually give away for free and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they wouldn't sell for $95 for this series. I was never able to pull up $95 playoff tickets on ticketmaster, and now only the last rows come up. I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that brokers bought up all of these seats but no other ones.

They're hoping to avoid an epic disaster by having a half empty lower bowl for a playoff game and don't want to alienate the full paying season ticket holders down there either. I know I'd be pissed if I paid $49 to sit down there and then the Devils offered a legit discount offer for $35 for those sections. They simply offer them on Stubhub instead, and season ticket holders can't complain to the team. They can only wonder, like me, why they should buy season tickets in the first place.

If I may add my two cents on this Stubhub thing... First a disclaimer, this is only my theory, and maybe even someone on here has said something similar. I have no proof of this, just something I've been thinking about.

I don't think these are brokers selling these tickets, it's the Devils. All season long I've noticed those $95 seats occupied more and more as the season went on. They were almost all empty last season and occupied by Ranger fans in the playoffs. This year they lowered them to $49 for season tickets and sold a few more than last year, but at the start of the season there still were hardly any people in those seats.

I don't know if it was here or another message board, but I read that the Devils use a ton of those $95 seats every game to give to various charitable organizations in Newark to allow those less fortunate to attend games as well as expose hockey to Newark residents. I mean honestly, do we really think people paid $95 to sit there for a game against Minnesota to sell that place out? My guess is that either people from these groups are selling tickets they got for free for 100% profit OR the Devils themselves are putting these seats on there, hoping to fill them. I'm sure they can charge themselves anything they want for their own seats. This way, those seats are already listed as "sold" according to the attendance figure and it helps inflate the figure in the box score, and the Devils are making a few bucks off of seats they usually give away for free and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they wouldn't sell for $95 for this series. I was never able to pull up $95 playoff tickets on ticketmaster, and now only the last rows come up. I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that brokers bought up all of these seats but no other ones.

They're hoping to avoid an epic disaster by having a half empty lower bowl for a playoff game and don't want to alienate the full paying season ticket holders down there either. I know I'd be pissed if I paid $49 to sit down there and then the Devils offered a legit discount offer for $35 for those sections. They simply offer them on Stubhub instead, and season ticket holders can't complain to the team. They can only wonder, like me, why they should buy season tickets in the first place.

Interesting conspiracy theory.

My two problems with this:

1) If they bought their own seats (for around $0 because they run the place and don't have to worry about paying anyone out), why wouldn't they buy the $65's and dispose of them that way? This would take some second level thinking of "well, no one would believe someone would actually buy those, so we can't sell them." Following on this, by dumping off the lower seats, they would be screwing their other sales since pretty much everything costs more than that, and no one is going to buy worse seats for more money, as long as they are aware of the StubHub fire sale.

2) Very shady practice. I don't think it's illegal to do it for under face, but it would be a world of **** if they charged over face for their own tickets. If in the future, you see them going over face, you can pretty much rule this one out.

I just think it's more likely that brokers and scalpers found a loophole in the system and took advantage. I mean, if they paid $49 for seats and have to sell them for $35, big whoop. If they can sell them for $65 the next night, they broke even. Face value of $95, and they're rolling in it. And let's not even go into the later rounds, where they could probably get few hundred or more for seats they paid $49 for.

In all likelyhood this has nothing to do with the Devils, other than their own stupidity.
And it's going to cost them a couple of hundred thousand tonight and definately will cost them more in the future. The worst part for them is that they are stuck having to offer the brokers discounted 3rd and 4th round tickets, that's when it could cost them millions.

Look, bottom line is there is not enough demand for Devils tickets to sell out the games at box office price. I think it's good if let's say Vanderbeek charges himself $1 each for a thousand seats or so and then gives them to charity or schools. It is still a sellout in the boxscore and there will be people in the seats.

If we had a demand for the tickets this would not even be an issue.

16,944.

Look, bottom line is there is not enough demand for Devils tickets to sell out the games at box office price. I think it's good if let's say Vanderbeek charges himself $1 each for a thousand seats or so and then gives them to charity or schools. It is still a sellout in the boxscore and there will be people in the seats.

If we had a demand for the tickets this would not even be an issue.

Agreed 100%...even though I don't think he'll give away much tonight....I'm assuming 16,000 tonight...

Please remember, there are a few posters who just like to whine and whine and whine...it seems to make them happy.

I just think it's more likely that brokers and scalpers found a loophole in the system and took advantage. I mean, if they paid $49 for seats and have to sell them for $35, big whoop. If they can sell them for $65 the next night, they broke even. Face value of $95, and they're rolling in it. And let's not even go into the later rounds, where they could probably get few hundred or more for seats they paid $49 for.

This. I also dont think it's 100% brokers/scalpers, I imagine some regular STH thought they could get "free" tickets to the entire playoffs and perhaps make a profit as well through a little moonlighting as novice ticket scalpers.

I am going sellout - resturaunt ledge seating.

6 hours left to sell and buy tickets, I hope we see a last day surge in buying.

***Be careful of buying hard copy tickets from scalpers outside the arena, they may be worthless if a season ticket holder either sold or forwarded them via TicketExchange, therefore voiding the barcode on the hard copy ticket.

It is safer to get tix at the box office or via StubHub and Stubhub had lower levels way under cost.

If this game doesn't sellout, I think we will be the only team to have a non-sellout in the playoffs.:shakehead

If this game doesn't sellout, I think we will be the only team to have a non-sellout in the playoffs.:shakehead

Really...who cares?

If this game doesn't sellout, I think we will be the only team to have a non-sellout in the playoffs.:shakehead

No worries Lou, we didn't sellout the first round vs Boston in 2003 and that sure ended up quite nice for us. :nod:

***Be careful of buying hard copy tickets from scalpers outside the arena, they may be worthless if a season ticket holder either sold or forwarded them via TicketExchange, therefore voiding the barcode on the hard copy ticket.

It is safer to get tix at the box office or via StubHub and Stubhub had lower levels way under cost.


I bought a $38 ticket for $22 against Tampa from one of the scalpers outside. There are 2 "regular" guys that are there almost every game, I think they're almost as safe as Stubhub at this point. :sarcasm:

I bought a $38 ticket for $22 against Tampa from one of the scalpers outside. There are 2 "regular" guys that are there almost every game, I think they're almost as safe as Stubhub at this point. :sarcasm:

You must be talking about the father and son team that used to be at CAA, I think Pete was one of them? Them two yes, but careful with others.

What is more pathetic? The fact that this game won't sellout or the fact that the predict the crowd thread is as long as the game thread?

Really...who cares?

Post of the day.

And how is it "pathetic" that we won't sellout against Carolina on a Wednesday? Playoffs or not?

Really...who cares?Just watch you'll be hearing about it!

No worries Lou, we didn't sellout the first round vs Boston in 2003 and that sure ended up quite nice for us. :nod:We didn't sellout or first games in 95' 00' and 03' so let's not jinx ourselves this year!:nod:

Just watch you'll be hearing about it!

We didn't sellout or first games in 95' 00' and 03' so let's not jinx ourselves this year!:nod:

I honestly could careless what the "Experts" have to say about our fan base!

They can all go suck a ****!

I honestly could careless what the "Experts" have to say about our fan base!

They can all go suck a ****!

****...

Playoff mode... I like!! :nod:

****...

Playoff mode... I like!! :nod:

Don't you worry...I'll be in rare form tonight...gotta impress Little Z!

I honestly could careless what the "Experts" have to say about our fan base!

They can all go suck a ****!Well thats one way to deal with it.:laugh:

gomez! :handclap:

So much for all the bickering in this thread.

gomez! :handclap:

impossible! We have no fans, we're lucky to get 15000 fans in the seats. This game was Vanderbeeked!:sarcasm:

If this game doesn't sellout, I think we will be the only team to have a non-sellout in the playoffs.:shakehead

I highly doubt that. Detroit didn't sell out like 3 games in last years post season.

I ****in knew it'd be a sellout.

I highly doubt that. Detroit didn't sell out like 3 games in last years post season.
And Nashville, Boston, etc.

lol, they bought that Gomez, but it was a great turnout considering. and what happened in 233? the top 4 rows fled and never returned... not that it's surprising.

even if it was only 16K something Devils fans there, it was infinitely better than 11K Devils fans and 6K Rangers fans.

Sellout, with me oh yeah.

lol, they bought that Gomez, but it was a great turnout considering. and what happened in 233? the top 4 rows fled and never returned... not that it's surprising.

even if it was only 16K something Devils fans there, it was infinitely better than 11K Devils fans and 6K Rangers fans.

For all the doom and gloom around here, myself included, I was expecting a miserable crowd. Was it a legit 17,625? No. However, it was certainly over 16,500 and like you said, I'd rather 16,000 Devils fans and 1,000 empty seats then a packed house with 6,000 Ranger fans.


If tonight was an announced sellout then I really don't think a PTC thread is necessary for Friday. I will be there once again and I plan on spending a significant amount of cash at Hell's Kitchen with no work on Saturday!

i saw two canes fans
one was a hippie
hippies make me sick

i saw two canes fans
one was a hippie
hippies make me sick

Hippies tend to get good herb.

I was at the game. There is NO PHUCKING WAY that the game was a sellout. There were HUGE pockets of empty seats in the mezzanine behind the goal. This was definitely a VANDERBEEK'D game. Anyone who says otherwise is nothing more than a homer. Oh, and by the way, I'm a season ticket holder, and lifelong Devils fan. This game did NOT SELL OUT!!!

I was at the game. There is NO PHUCKING WAY that the game was a sellout. There were HUGE pockets of empty seats in the mezzanine behind the goal. This was definitely a VANDERBEEK'D game. Anyone who says otherwise is nothing more than a homer. Oh, and by the way, I'm a season ticket holder, and lifelong Devils fan. This game did NOT SELL OUT!!!

Just because the seats were empty doesn't mean they weren't sold

lol, they bought that Gomez, but it was a great turnout considering. and what happened in 233? the top 4 rows fled and never returned... not that it's surprising.

even if it was only 16K something Devils fans there, it was infinitely better than 11K Devils fans and 6K Rangers fans.

Yeah what did happen in 233? I got there late, where there ever people up there?

And no, we didn't buy this sellout like that team near 33rd street...ticket brokers ate this **** up and had a firesale last minute. I was actually shocked to see so many people in the place, aside from the random sections of groups who were no shows...two games in a row the top 3 rows in 230 were empty, and some other random spots....but like I said on the main board, the best way to gauge our crowd is those ****ing Mezz and Balcony seats...all of which were packed.....the 200's as usual were mobbed and it was a great night all around.

Only thing that's missing is my Devils rocks glass full o Maker's, I'm bout to fix that right here.

Are ya?

If tonight even got close enough to announce a gomez then I would have to guess that most of the games from here on out will also. Traditionally the early games in the early rounds have been a problem. Friday night will probably be a true sellout and from there on the only question would be a possible game 5 and second round games. Fortunatly for the Devils as far as opponent wise from here on out they should get a crowd. If they get past the 'Canes they will either play Philly, Crosby, or Ovechkin (the could technically end up playing the Habs who would probably bring the French invasion).

Count me among the people who say this wasn't a 'legit' Gomez BUT it was much better than I thought it would be just with all the discounts the Devils were flinging at us, never mind the StubHub broker nonsense.

I'd say 16,5 easy and a GREAT 16,5...that was a playoff atmosphere. This could be a fun spring. And I agree that further PTC's don't seem neccesary since tonight actually got close enough to fudge the numbers.

Doesn't really matter since we know that Friday is a true sellout no matter what.

lol, they bought that Gomez, but it was a great turnout considering. and what happened in 233? the top 4 rows fled and never returned... not that it's surprising.

even if it was only 16K something Devils fans there, it was infinitely better than 11K Devils fans and 6K Rangers fans.

That was...odd. Not sure what happened.

PTC=:deadhorse Let's move on and win smoe more playoff games.:handclap:

If any of you stayed...Zach said it best in his interview "The fans were GREAT"!

Let's just keep it up no matter how big the crowd is!

and what happened in 233? the top 4 rows fled and never returned... not that it's surprising.


It was 1/2 the section, the entire top was missing. Did they not sell $10 seats there or something?


i saw two canes fans
one was a hippie
hippies make me sick

I saw 2 pairs of Canes fans. The strange thing was that in each pair one had a Whale jersey and the other had a red Canes jersey. I was actually shocked how few Canes fans I saw in the building. I'm thinking it might be the least # of opposing fans I've ever seen (maybe there were many more and I just didnt bump into any?).

I saw 2 pairs of Canes fans. The strange thing was that in each pair one had a Whale jersey and the other had a red Canes jersey. I was actually shocked how few Canes fans I saw in the building. I'm thinking it might be the least # of opposing fans I've ever seen (maybe there were many more and I just didnt bump into any?).

Don't be shocked. They are NOT a popular team nor a box-office draw. This is akin to Houston Astro fans in Citifield or Texas Ranger fans in Yankee Stadium.

Don't be shocked. They are NOT a popular team nor a box-office draw. This is akin to Houston Astro fans in Citifield or Texas Ranger fans in Yankee Stadium.

Nothing wrong with that :)