Zach Parise named among Hobey Baker Finalists...

"Parise among Hobey Baker finalists"
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=76810

"The field will be cut to three on March 31, and the winner will be announced April 9 during the Frozen Four in Boston."

probably not a huge suprise, the kid's had a killer year and must be a virtual shoo-in for the final-3...very much looking forward to seeing what Parise can do in camp later in the year.

"Parise among Hobey Baker finalists"
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=76810

"The field will be cut to three on March 31, and the winner will be announced April 9 during the Frozen Four in Boston."

probably not a huge suprise, the kid's had a killer year and must be a virtual shoo-in for the final-3...very much looking forward to seeing what Parise can do in camp later in the year.

I amnot sure that Parise is a shoe in so to speak but his sean has been impressive. ONe thing that is against him is he shorter season. He had a great world juniors and all the awards he had was great. Maybe if he gets his team into the frozen four or deeper when he might have a higher chance of winning it.

If Parise doesn't win the Hobey Baker, it'll likely be because he's an underclassman. The Hobey is rarely awarded to underclassmen. Sad but true.

If Parise doesn't win the Hobey Baker, it'll likely be because he's an underclassman. The Hobey is rarely awarded to underclassmen. Sad but true.
What's an underclassman?

Underclassman is a Freshman or a Sophmore...not a Junoir or Senior.

Oh, ok thanks.

Parise is definitely the better talent and the better prospect of the two, but he's been outdone this season by his teammate Bochenski. Though Parise has had a really strong second half of the season, I really don't expect that he'll win the Hobey with his teammate, and often linemate, leading the league in scoring.

My picks for the final 3 are: Bochenski, Pock, and Lessard.

I would say that Zach Parise is a shoe in for the Hobey Baker award... :p He is just an amazing player and will be even better when he plays in the NHL for the Devils...

Parise is definitely the better talent and the better prospect of the two, but he's been outdone this season by his teammate Bochenski.
Zach Parise has played four fewer games because he was earning the Tournement MVP while helping the United States win the gold at the World Junior Championships.

Parise may very well pass Bochenski in points scored or at least points-per-game (Bochenski is ranked 2nd in the NCAA in both those categories, while Parise is 3rd in PTS-per-games.) UND will play University of Alaska-Anchorage on Friday, March 19th at 3:08 PM ET.

Parise is also the only finalist this year who was named a finalist last year. Here is a better version of the AP article from USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/hockey/2004-03-18-hobey-baker-finalists_x.htm).

This may also be of interest, the Official Hobey Baker Site (http://www.voteforhobey.com/).

Zach Parise has played four fewer games because he was earning the Tournement MVP while helping the United States win the gold at the World Junior Championships.

Parise may very well pass Bochenski in points scored or at least points-per-game (Bochenski is ranked 2nd in the NCAA in both those categories, while Parise is 3rd in PTS-per-games.) UND will play University of Alaska-Anchorage on Friday, March 19th at 3:08 PM ET.

Parise is also the only finalist this year who was named a finalist last year. Here is a better version of the AP article from USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/hockey/2004-03-18-hobey-baker-finalists_x.htm).

This may also be of interest, the Official Hobey Baker Site (http://www.voteforhobey.com/).

We'll see I guess. Bochenski was 1st in the conference in points scored at the end of the regular season, Lessard only passed him in the final couple of days in the WCHA playoffs. I think that they're both great candidates and both deserve to be in the final 3 but I expect to see Bochenski there and not Parise.

Underclassman is a Freshman or a Sophmore...not a Junoir or Senior.

Oh, I always thought underclassman strictly meant "not a senior". Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Just thought about this the other day........I'm sure if we searched hard enough, we could find posts about how "Lou's an idiot, he should have swapped picks with St. Louis years ago". Albeit, even Lou said he never expected Parise to be floating around at #17.

Just some random musings about the final tab for St. Louis tampering with Stevens:

2001 24th overall pick, traded to Florida for the 44th and 48th overall picks (Igor Pohanka and Tuomas Pihlman).

Swapped up to the 22nd overall spot from 30th overall. Traded 68th and 22nd for the 17th pick in Parise.

Opportunity cost = 2003 30th overall, 2003 68th overall
Assets today = Parise and Pihlman

Just thought about this the other day........I'm sure if we searched hard enough, we could find posts about how "Lou's an idiot, he should have swapped picks with St. Louis years ago". Albeit, even Lou said he never expected Parise to be floating around at #17.

Just some random musings about the final tab for St. Louis tampering with Stevens:

2001 24th overall pick, traded to Florida for the 44th and 48th overall picks (Igor Pohanka and Tuomas Pihlman).

Swapped up to the 22nd overall spot from 30th overall. Traded 68th and 22nd for the 17th pick in Parise.

Opportunity cost = 2003 30th overall, 2003 68th overall
Assets today = Parise and Pihlman

Yeah but remember, in 1999 he could have swaped with St. Louis and gotten Martin Havlat. Havlat is a pretty damn good player in his own right and is probably better then Parise.

Yeah but remember, in 1999 he could have swaped with St. Louis and gotten Martin Havlat. Havlat is a pretty damn good player in his own right and is probably better then Parise.

But I wouldn't want Havlat on my team. His talent is great, his attitude is terrible.

But I wouldn't want Havlat on my team. His talent is great, his attitude is terrible.
You are alone in the world.
Terrible attitude? Can you provide an example for this?

Chippy or dirty, sure, but there is no attitude problem to speak of.

Yeah but remember, in 1999 he could have swaped with St. Louis and gotten Martin Havlat. Havlat is a pretty damn good player in his own right and is probably better then Parise.

That probably would have been the best year to do so. But who knows, we might have had Barrett Heisten ranked higher than Havlat. Although if we could have landed Jackman, Havlat, or even Boynton.....that would have been awesome.

But yeah most of us, including myself, were complaining about us potentially missing out in 1999, but ending up with Parise looks like a pretty decent consolation prize.

The N.D. Fighting Sioux beat Anchorage Alaska 4-2 to advance to the WCHA Finals against either Minnesota or Minnesota-Duluth, and its looking like Minnesota-Duluth as they lead that game 3-1 in the first period.

Bochenski had 2 assists and Parise had a goal and an assist.

That probably would have been the best year to do so. But who knows, we might have had Barrett Heisten ranked higher than Havlat. Although if we could have landed Jackman, Havlat, or even Boynton.....that would have been awesome.

But yeah most of us, including myself, were complaining about us potentially missing out in 1999, but ending up with Parise looks like a pretty decent consolation prize.

I doubt we had Heisten ranked higher then Havlat. Considering that we drafted Elias and Sykora in previous drafts, I feel our Czech scouts know what they are doing. I really like Parise though(who doesn't) and would rather have him then Jackman or Boynton as the organization is more in need of a # 1 center then a # 2 defensemen. It's just that, Havlat is already a two-way player averaging a point a game this season, and is only 23. He might end up being a better player then Elias and it would be great if our current team had two elite wingers instead of one. Oh well, no point in crying over spilled milk, as again, I do like Parise.

You are alone in the world.
Terrible attitude? Can you provide an example for this?

Chippy or dirty, sure, but there is no attitude problem to speak of.

Well, there are times when he takes a shift off, most notably game 7 in the ECF last year when he gave up on the backcheck and Friesen scored THE goal. But then again, very few players never take a shift off here and there. He would definately make the Devils a better team.

The Fighting Sioux lost in the WCHA Final Five Championship to Minnesota Golden Gophers 5-4. Zach Parise (NJ-2003: 1st/#17) had 1 Goal and 3 Assists. His brother Jordan was not in goal. Bochenski (OTT-2001: 7th/#223) had two goals and an assist.

Zach Parise's updated stats:
GP: 35
G: 22
A: 31
PTS: 53

ack, the Hobey Baker? This thing is the kiss of death to a lot of good players.

The Final Three have been announced:

Parise
Danis
Lessard

http://www.uscho.com/

Parise is definitely the better talent and the better prospect of the two, but he's been outdone this season by his teammate Bochenski. Though Parise has had a really strong second half of the season, I really don't expect that he'll win the Hobey with his teammate, and often linemate, leading the league in scoring.

My picks for the final 3 are: Bochenski, Pock, and Lessard.

Only 1 out of 3

:blush:

I doubt we had Heisten ranked higher then Havlat.

I was just using that as an example, as good as our scouting staff is, we very well may have had a few guys (maybe even Ahonen) ahead of Havlat.

I was just using that as an example, as good as our scouting staff is, we very well may have had a few guys (maybe even Ahonen) ahead of Havlat.

If I remember correctly, Ahonen wasn't suppossed to be a 1st round pick in that draft. And then when you take into account that that was a fairly weak draft and the Devils didn't really get much else other then Ahonen in that draft, you wonder that maybe they just took Ahonen in the 1st because he was the highest ranked player left on their board and maybe they had Havlat slotted higher, and were expecting no one else to know about him and thus, didn't swap with St. Louis. I mean he went one pick before so maybe they did gamble and lose. But again, this is all speculative talk.

If I remember correctly, Ahonen wasn't suppossed to be a 1st round pick in that draft. And then when you take into account that that was a fairly weak draft and the Devils didn't really get much else other then Ahonen in that draft, you wonder that maybe they just took Ahonen in the 1st because he was the highest ranked player left on their board and maybe they had Havlat slotted higher, and were expecting no one else to know about him and thus, didn't swap with St. Louis. I mean he went one pick before so maybe they did gamble and lose. But again, this is all speculative talk.

If I remember correctly, Ahonen was the #2 European goalie by Central Scouting, so him being a late first rounder wasn't as shocking as Adrian Foster by any means. Conte and crew aren't perfect, so they might have had Havlat ranked low like at least 25 other teams. 2nd round of that draft we took Mike Commodore, 2 picks later was Jordan Leopold. Doh!

I think it was on one of the scouting trips for Ahonen that the Devils' brass caught Brian Rafalski for the first time.

If I remember correctly, Ahonen was the #2 European goalie by Central Scouting, so him being a late first rounder wasn't as shocking as Adrian Foster by any means. Conte and crew aren't perfect, so they might have had Havlat ranked low like at least 25 other teams. 2nd round of that draft we took Mike Commodore, 2 picks later was Jordan Leopold. Doh!

I think it was on one of the scouting trips for Ahonen that the Devils' brass caught Brian Rafalski for the first time.

That's possible - an extra stop while in Finland.

The pick on Commodore still hasn't paid off, but I don't know if that was really such a bad pick. Commodore is nothing but a utility man, yes, but there are still flashes of a really consistant, big d-man, something a lot of teams would love. He's still got a chance to do things in this league - but chances are he'll end up a journeyman.

The Final Three have been announced:

Parise
Danis
Lessard

http://www.uscho.com/



Parise will win hands down! :bow: No contest... :(

I think Parise has an excellent chance. The fact that he has left college should actually help. If he was staying in school, voters might have the attitude that he could win it next year being he is only a sophomore.

Parise has the highest PTS-per-GP number in the nation, and he is third in the NCAA PTS and fifth in assists. He missed four games while winning the MVP award and Gold for Team USA at the World Junior Championships.

If I remember correctly, Ahonen was the #2 European goalie by Central Scouting, so him being a late first rounder wasn't as shocking as Adrian Foster by any means. Conte and crew aren't perfect, so they might have had Havlat ranked low like at least 25 other teams. 2nd round of that draft we took Mike Commodore, 2 picks later was Jordan Leopold. Doh!

I think it was on one of the scouting trips for Ahonen that the Devils' brass caught Brian Rafalski for the first time.

I got this right from the HF write up on Ahonen:

"Ari Ahonen was ranked in the top three for European goalies in 1999 by Central Scouting, but was only projected to be selected no sooner than the third round in the 1999 NHL entry draft. He was the surprise pick of the draft going 27th overall to the Devils"

Being that he was projected to be a third rounder at best, it is kinda surprising that he was taken in the first. Look, im not saying Conte is perfect or anything, but when a perfect Devils type player, who was Patrik Elias' best friend, gets picked with the pick right before the Devils pick and then they pick a third rounder in the 1st round, there is reason to suspect that the guy they really wanted in that draft was Havlat. But, we will never know unless someone here drugs up Conte and gets it out of him.

Thought you Devils fans might enjoying reading this excellent article on Parise's Hobey Baker Finalist Selection (http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/sports/8326217.htm) from today's Grand Forks Herald.

Thought you Devils fans might enjoying reading this excellent article on Parise's Hobey Baker Finalist Selection (http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/sports/8326217.htm) from today's Grand Forks Herald.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. :bow:
A great article.

Something interesting that stuck out to me is this:

1981 - Neal Broten, Minnesota

I always hoped that Parise would wear Broten's old 9. It won't happen, not with Bicek on the team, but for some reason whenver I think Parise I think Broten. Hopefully Parise will bring the kind of talent, skill, and heart Broten did... only better. :)

Zach Parise to be the winner hands down... :bow: Parise is going to be a factor in the playoffs for the Devils and will have a huge season next year and could or should win the Calder Trophy... ;)