Lou gets Havelid

for Salmela.

http://http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269487&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main

The Atlanta Thrashers have traded defenceman Niclas Havelid to the New Jersey Devils in exchange for blueliner Annsi Salmela.

as per TSN

for Salmela.

link to follow

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269487&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

It's on TSN http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/

I was hoping for Morris actually.

you beat me to it, not so sure about this deal

Fml.

Anssi Salmela traded for Niclas Havelid.

I'm sad to lose Salmela, because unlike 75% of people, I think he has a big future. But Havelid in for Greene on the 3rd pairing is a BIG improvement to this team, and IMO puts it that much closer to a Cup


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=269487&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

This guy is as steady as they come.

So many threads

:scared:

Lou likes being the first trader.

Solid. Very solid. If he's +4 on Atlanta he's got to be doing something right.

The guy is 35 years old, injury prone, and does not score that much, his plus minus has been good considering he has played for Atlanta, not sure if this is an upgrade over Andy Greene

I was thinking the same thing CFD!!

Now my dad needs a new name for his jersey...:shakehead

Salmela is gone!?!?


:sarcasm:

The guy is 35 years old, injury prone, and does not score that much, his plus minus has been good considering he has played for Atlanta, not sure if this is an upgrade over Andy Greene

No offense to Greene, but yes, it is an upgrade. A significant one.

I like this.

Steal.

Oh well, goodbye anssi, You'll get the playing time you need in blueland and shine one day, good luck!

Truth is, in terms of value this is basically identical to the Janssen/Salvador trade.

Solid. Very solid. If he's +4 on Atlanta he's got to be doing something right.

He's had a good year.

From a defensive standpoint, I like this move. He's been steady back there and has logged a good amount of minutes for them.

Offensively, meh. He's not a sieve, but he's not great either.

Value-wise, I think Lou did real well though. He's a big upgrade over Greene.

I was thinking the same thing CFD!!

Now my dad needs a new name for his jersey...:shakehead

I am still getting one lol IDC what anyone says

i go out and shovel my driveway for a half hour and we have a new defenseman. maybe i should shovel my driveway more often :sarcasm:

Truth is, in terms of value this is basically identical to the Janssen/Salvador trade.

Exactly. We get another solid-yet-unspectacular guy for someone that is not in our immediate plans. Good move by Lou.

Injury prone? Has played in at least 77 games since '01.

The guy is 35 years old, injury prone, and does not score that much, his plus minus has been good considering he has played for Atlanta, not sure if this is an upgrade over Andy Greene

This is a HUGE upgrade over Andy Greene, the fact they wanted Salmela and not Greene going back the other way tells you as much. I would almost guarantee Lou offered Greene and they wanted Anssi.

EDIT: I feared Salmela being traded, because it wasnt very logical he was sitting at Lowell.

Wtf, WHY SALMELA?!?!

Wtf, WHY SALMELA?!?!
Because he was never going to break the Devils lineup with his complete lack of defensive awareness. Salmela had no value to NJ as a player, only as a trade asset. Sorry.

Lou keeps Greene because worst case scenario, he adds good depth.

Let it be known that we could still use a puck mover.

This is a HUGE upgrade over Andy Greene, the fact they wanted Salmela and not Greene going back the other way tells you as much. I would almost guarantee Lou offered Greene and they wanted Anssi.

But you don't know...

Solid move, I like it. See ya Andy!

Let it be known that we could still use a puck mover.
Would not be surprised if we were done. Probably one more depth forward coming, maybe another depth defenseman.

I've always liked Havelid...typical Lou move really. Even if you liked the top six now that they're all healthy the Devils clearly needed depth on D. Every time White or Martin got hurt the D crapped the bed.

Would not be surprised if we were done. Probably one more depth forward coming, maybe another depth defenseman.

not going to cut it. Especially if Boston can find another defenseman, because they can Chara one offensive line and use the other guy on the other.

Classic case of getting hot at the wrong time. I hope Toronto rolls us tomorrow now. Least thing we need is to beat them 8-1.

Gets my seal of approval. Have to imagine Salmela didn't figure into next year's plans, and since he was a free agent pick-up we essentially get Havelid for nothing.

Still think unless Havelid is in the lineup tomorrow night he could be flipped, as I speculated earlier.

The guy has a little playoff experience, too. A member of the 2003 Ducks team.

i like Havelid, i just wanted to see if Salmela turned into something

oh well, we'll have to wait and see

On one hand, ANNNNSSSSIII NOOOOOOOOO!!!

On the other hand, I like Havelid.

We're done folks. This is it. If anything, we'll probably trade for ****ing Jody Shelley or someone of similar ilk on Wednesday.

Would not be surprised if we were done. Probably one more depth forward coming, maybe another depth defenseman.

Yeah I was just thinking that this rounds out our top six nicely and that Lou is probably done on the back end.

Martin-Oduya
Salvador-Havelid
White-Mottau

Not sure if Lou wants to force any of those guys out of the lineup as they've been solid.

I wouldn't mind a decent bottom-six guy that could end the Pandolfo-Rupp controversy all together by replacing them both.

Maybe now lou is going for a winger?

Greene + Gio + 1st for ?

This is a move to improve us now....

If this is the only trade I guess Lou is basically telling us he's confident this team will win the cup.

For those wondering about other moves, the cap hit on this will only be $621,000 (loose math) so Lou will have about another $1.7M left to play with.

I really like this deal. Hävelid is a really good defenseman that will make us better right now.

Sure, Salmela is a project and should be good in the future...but we want to win NOW.

Another Swede!!!! :)

not going to cut it. Especially if Boston can find another defenseman, because they can Chara one offensive line and use the other guy on the other.

Classic case of getting hot at the wrong time. I hope Toronto rolls us tomorrow now. Least thing we need is to beat them 8-1.
Fact of the matter is we don't have the assets for much more than this.

Would not be surprised if we were done. Probably one more depth forward coming, maybe another depth defenseman.

If Lou gets Antropov as the 4th line center, this team wins a cup :yo:

Well he did get something done. Not sure how I feel, but I wont judge until I see him play.

I really like this deal. Hävelid is a really good defenseman that will make us better right now.

Sure, Salmela is a project and should be good in the future...but we want to win NOW.

Another Swede!!!! :)

Hey, you called it - nice work.

Meh. Have a feeling Lou might go for him. But we still need another depth dman IMO.

Well he did get something done. Not sure how I feel, but I wont judge until I see him play.

It's a good trade, but it makes me nervous that Lou is done.

If Lou gets Antropov as the 4th line center, this team wins a cup :yo:

Lou won't get anything from Burke
Burke is demanding overpayments.

I absolutely love this trade! Havelid ought to be a great addition. I remember him well from the 2003 Stanley Cup Finals, when he was with the Mighty Ducks.

Doubters - I think you will see this is a solid move. Like it or not, Anssi was not going to help us go deep in the playoffs and Havelid will.

Fml.

LOL.

Damn Jon and Kate, distracting me from seeing this 10 minutes earlier!!

We're done folks. This is it. If anything, we'll probably trade for ****ing Jody Shelley or someone of similar ilk on Wednesday.

Then, they will lose at some point.

You gotta go big or go home, because they are not the favorite. Still think the D is going to be exposed in a 7 game series if we can't control the game offensively.

If the Bruins find a way to get Pronger and Lou doesn't move, some time in May, he will heavily regret it.

Well he did get something done. Not sure how I feel, but I wont judge until I see him play.

I agree with you on this one.

I agree with the other posters who said Lou is done. Certainly, at the very least, no more defensemen, which is something I am not sure I am comfortable with. Havelid is ceretainly an upgrade on Greene, but it does not address our most glaring weakness.

Then, they will lose at some point.

You gotta go big or go home, because they are not the favorite. Still think the D is going to be exposed in a 7 game series if we can't control the game offensively.

If the Bruins find a way to get Pronger and Lou doesn't move, some time in May, he will heavily regret it.

I have to see what the other teams do first.

Besides Boston, our other main competition in the East don't have great defenses either (Philly, Washington) - and even with Chara and Wideman, Boston's isn't legendary.

Then, they will lose at some point.

You gotta go big or go home, because they are not the favorite. Still think the D is going to be exposed in a 7 game series if we can't control the game offensively.

If the Bruins find a way to get Pronger and Lou doesn't move, some time in May, he will heavily regret it.

Agreed. Lou tried to fill the holes on our D with trades like this since the lockout and it hasn't worked once.

Steal.

I think Lou is done. But if Boston gets Kaberle or Pronger I think we might have a problem.

I have to see what the other teams do first.

Besides Boston, our other main competition in the East don't have great defenses either (Philly, Washington) - and even with Chara and Wideman, Boston's isn't legendary.

I think they need a second guy too, and they have to be smart enough to not use both of them at the same time.

If they were to have say, Pronger and Chara, I'd say it's a fair bet they shut us down. And then it's all on Marty.... again. Which isn't how it was supposed to be this year. But, two more days left, so we'll see. That's probably not it.

Lou is not done.

Havelid's scouting report (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.cgi?1991)

You guys are acting like Boston is going to get pronger for nothing. Seriously, I think Lou is done.

Don't know a lot about Havelid, but so far so good... Salmela just wasn't fitting into the Devils "system"..

I don't see another D-man being added.. I wouldn't mind Greene / Gio / prospect / pick being traded for someone.. Greene being the odd man out (?) of the defensive corp is a good thing... along with Rupp / Pando.

is it possible we could use him in a later trade maybe sending back to anaheim where he has already player for perhaps nieds or pronger :nod:

You guys are acting like Boston is going to get pronger for nothing. Seriously, I think Lou is done.
We just got Havelid for nothing.

Classic case of getting hot at the wrong time. I hope Toronto rolls us tomorrow now. Least thing we need is to beat them 8-1.

I don't think this had anything to do with the move. More like the fact that the asking price for defensemen is probably through the roof. I mean, with some of the rumors floating around, we don't have enough assets to pull off a major deal without gutting our prospect pool.

If the Bruins find a way to get Pronger and Lou doesn't move, some time in May, he will heavily regret it.

I just dont see that logic, especially since offensive assets would be going the other way. Losing Kessell (assuming rumors are true) to get Pronger is bolstering the defense by robbing the offense. It makes them better, but not by much IMO. And if Boston doesnt win the cup? Young PK is a NIGHTMARE loss.

In Lou I trust no matter what happens.

We were all over the guy when he only acquired Grant Marshall and Richard Smehlik. But look what happened.

Lou isn't subtracting from the roster while giving us a really good d-man in Hävelid. It's a great deal and improves our team.

Just watch Hävelid play, especielly on a good, structured team and you'll see how good he is. He also knows Tommy Albelin really well and should have no problems fitting in right away into our system.

If Lou is done he's done. I have no issues with that. We have a great team this year and we shouldn't mess with chemistry.

In the past Lou has made big moves because the team needed shakeups. We don't need that now.

Lou is not done.

I agree I don't think he is done either. He is just getting warmed up :)

was the Salvo trade last year perhaps similar to this?

Havelid's scouting report (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.cgi?1991)
Havelid's assets - smart passing, knowing when to jump into the play - basically fit like a glove what the Devils need in a defenseman. He's a solid, solid addition, probably a better addition than Salvador was a season ago. I suspect I'll like him.

And the guy who said Tommy Albelin was a factor in this is probably right on.

Lou is not done.

Agreed.. Nice Lou-like move for depth here..

I think he's going to be looking hard for someone to slide between Elias and Gio but won't overpay

I would have preferred Ron Hainsey instead.

Then again, he salary is quite larger....

was the Salvo trade last year perhaps similar to this?
Almost identical. Havelid is an improvement over Salvador at about the same ratio Salmela was over Janssen.

I would have preferred Ron Hainsey instead.
Too expensive for too many years.

definitely a sound move. I think Havelid just has the experience over Greene probably better shot accuracy. Take care Ansi - definitely bound for success

I think they need a second guy too, and they have to be smart enough to not use both of them at the same time.

If they were to have say, Pronger and Chara, I'd say it's a fair bet they shut us down. And then it's all on Marty.... again. Which isn't how it was supposed to be this year. But, two more days left, so we'll see. That's probably not it.

I agree, but lets remember that Boston is also small in key places up front - they are ridiculously small down the middle, and that's a spot where I think we would have an advantage against them.

I wouldn't be surprised if we did something else, but if I was a betting man, I'd say we were done.

Lets just all cross our fingers and hope that one of the "big guys" don't go to Boston or Washington. I could care less about what Philly does - as Trottier said, you don't get out of the East with Marty Biron in net.

I would have preferred Ron Hainsey instead.

can't take on his contract.

Not Anssi!!

I would have preferred Ron Hainsey instead.

At 4.5 million with plenty of years left? meh...this is a more 'here and now' move than anything.

definitely a sound move. I think Havelid just has the experience over Greene probably better shot accuracy. Take care Ansi - definitely bound for success
Please. Anssi is bound for the AHL followed by Europe until he screws his head on straight and starts playing defense.

I'll wait until Tuesday's game to make judgements, but I think he will be as good, if not better than Salvador.

In Lou I trust no matter what happens.

We were all over the guy when he only acquired Grant Marshall and Richard Smehlik. But look what happened.

Lou isn't subtracting from the roster while giving us a really good d-man in Hävelid. It's a great deal and improves our team.

Just watch Hävelid play, especielly on a good, structured team and you'll see how good he is. He also knows Tommy Albelin really well and should have no problems fitting in right away into our system.

If Lou is done he's done. I have no issues with that. We have a great team this year and we should mess with chemistry.

In the past Lou has made big moves because the team needed shakeups. We don't need that now.


Stevens, Nieds, Rafalski, White
Martin, Oduya, White, Salvador

it's an issue. not in one-off games like you have in a regular season, but when you play the same team every night, if they get an advantage over the D that we have... it's a problem, it's the one thing that keeps me from going around pompously
proclaiming we're gonna win the Cup.

Because I don't want to get pissed off when we get into a mismatch like we did against the 'Canes in '06.

Agreed. Lou tried to fill the holes on our D with trades like this since the lockout and it hasn't worked once.

The problem is that around the trading deadline, you gotta overpay to get a legit d-men and everyone knows that Lou isn't going to overpay for anything or anyone. We say the same thing during the UFA signings and the trade deadline, so what do we get year after year... disappointment.

I just dont see WHY lou would be done...

at the least package Greene + 2nd + pando for something just to move pando's salary...maybe for a top 5 2nd round pick or something...

I think he's going to be looking hard for someone to slide between Elias and Gio but won't overpay


Antropov!!!!

Then drop Zubrus to the 4th line. I'm okay with that too, I just want Antropov on this team.

if Boston trades Kessel they can kiss there playoffs goodby by 2nd round. Stupid move given the age difference

You guys will absolutely love Hävelid. Trust me.

I know we don't watch many Atlanta games, but he's as solid as it gets.

What will happen to the NJ sect of the Church of Salmela!?

So now what happens? Does Lou have one more trade up his sleeves or is this it?

He's a reliable, steady presence, if not spectacular. He's got big game experience, unlike a lot of our guys unfortunately. (Ducks in 2003, Gold Medal for Sweden in 2006) It's a great move given what was given up. I think Salmela has great potential, but there was always the risk he would not settle down enough to flourish on the Devils when so much responsibility is demanded in your own end for D-men.

I'm hard pressed to think of another defenseman of this calibre we could have gotten that wouldn't have required mortgaging more of our future than I'd be happy with. Lowell has got some nice talent, but not enough for us to go throwing 2-for-1 deals around, or giving away picks.

Loving this move. He'll fit in perfectly.

What will happen to the NJ sect of the Church of Salmela!?
It has virtually turned into the Mike Mottau Man Club.

Then, they will lose at some point.

You gotta go big or go home, because they are not the favorite. Still think the D is going to be exposed in a 7 game series if we can't control the game offensively.

If the Bruins find a way to get Pronger and Lou doesn't move, some time in May, he will heavily regret it.

Weren't the Ducks asking for Phil Kessel in return for Pronger? If that's the case Boston's not giving up nothing to do the deal and Pronger could always self-destruct and get suspended for the umpeenth time anyway.

I'm not sure the Ducks really want to move Pronger anyway, I think they'd rather move Nieds hence the high asking price for Pronger.

And what IS Lou supposed to do if we only have $1.7 million in cap room or thereabouts? I think the Devils only really need an offensive center, they could have that on the roster already with Rolston or Elias but they're not going to be able to trade for one that's any good regardless.

Lou sucks, what a bunch of crap. Salmela is going to be a very good NHL defenseman. I enjoyed watching him in Lowell this year, no doubt he's a legit NHL defenseman. In my opinion Devils definitely lost on this one. Lowell Devils were hurting on defense prior to this now we are going to get killed.:help: So much for my theory that New Jersey was going to build there team around there prospects.

me no like at all boooooooooooo

Church of Havelid???

Lou sucks, what a bunch of crap. Salmela is going to be a very good NHL defenseman. I enjoyed watching him in Lowell this year, no doubt he's a legit NHL defenseman. In my opinion Devils definitely lost on this one. Lowell Devils were hurting on defense prior to this now we are going to get killed.:help: So much for my theory that New Jersey was going to build there team around there prospects.
Not this year, we want the cup this year. Badly.

Weren't the Ducks asking for Phil Kessel in return for Pronger? If that's the case Boston's not giving up nothing to do the deal and Pronger could always self-destruct and get suspended for the umpeenth time anyway.

I'm not sure the Ducks really want to move Pronger anyway, I think they'd rather move Nieds.

And what IS Lou supposed to do if we only have $1.7 million in cap room or thereabouts? I think the Devils only really need an offensive center, they could have that on the roster already with Rolston or Elias but they're not going to be able to trade for one that's any good regardless.
All contracts are prorated. $1.7M breaks down to something considerably higher at this point of the season.

I'm kind of lukewarm on this one. I don't think Salmela was going to be in the Devils' future so I don't really mind moving him. I don't hate this move or anything but I feel as if this will be Lou's only move which I don't really like.

The problem is that around the trading deadline, you gotta overpay to get a legit d-men and everyone knows that Lou isn't going to overpay for anything or anyone. We say the same thing during the UFA signings and the trade deadline, so what do we get year after year... disappointment.

That's why I wanted him to address this glaring need in the offseason.

Lou sucks, what a bunch of crap. Salmela is going to be a very good NHL defenseman. I enjoyed watching him in Lowell this year, no doubt he's a legit NHL defenseman. In my opinion Devils definitely lost on this one. Lowell Devils were hurting on defense prior to this now we are going to get killed.:help: So much for my theory that New Jersey was going to build there team around there prospects.
Screw the future, I want a cup. And no matter what he showed in Lowell, he was total crap in New Jersey.

Lou sucks, what a bunch of crap. Salmela is going to be a very good NHL defenseman. I enjoyed watching him in Lowell this year, no doubt he's a legit NHL defenseman. In my opinion Devils definitely lost on this one. Lowell Devils were hurting on defense prior to this now we are going to get killed.:help: So much for my theory that New Jersey was going to build there team around there prospects.





go away

Im gonna toot my own horn a bit. I didnt necessarily call Salmela for Havelid but I had Salmela getting traded and Havelid coming here. See these posts:

Speculation Salmela will get traded:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=18234187&postcount=282


On Havelid coming here:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=18274580&postcount=19

Some quotes from that post:

"I see Lou going after a guy like Havelid."

And

"Havelid is the (realistic) guy I want Lou to pick up"





Not bad huh?

Lou sucks, what a bunch of crap. Salmela is going to be a very good NHL defenseman. I enjoyed watching him in Lowell this year, no doubt he's a legit NHL defenseman. In my opinion Devils definitely lost on this one. Lowell Devils were hurting on defense prior to this now we are going to get killed.:help: So much for my theory that New Jersey was going to build there team around there prospects.

You're talking about Lowell. We care about the New Jersey Devils here first and foremost...and the Stanley Cup.

We have young guys like Corrente, Eckford, Burlon etc in our system...we'll be fine.

That's why I wanted him to address this glaring need in the offseason.

I think he will this offseason. We all wanted a forward last year at the deadline, but instead we had to wait until July 1st to get Rolston. So I think Lou will do the same, but with someone like J-Bo. I hope this deal works out like the Salvador one.

Lou sucks, what a bunch of crap. Salmela is going to be a very good NHL defenseman. I enjoyed watching him in Lowell this year, no doubt he's a legit NHL defenseman. In my opinion Devils definitely lost on this one. Lowell Devils were hurting on defense prior to this now we are going to get killed.:help: So much for my theory that New Jersey was going to build there team around there prospects.

Salmela's defense sucks.

Lowell guy, you're getting Leach back. Probably. Chill. From the sound of the total ****show Lowell is defensively, you need Leach more than you need Salmela.

No offense to Greene, but yes, it is an upgrade. A significant one.

don't be so sure it's greene coming out of lineup, but either way should be an upgrade great trade

although i can't say i know much about havelid

I think he will this offseason. We all wanted a forward last year at the deadline, but instead we had to wait until July 1st to get Rolston. So I think Lou will do the same, but with someone like J-Bo. I hope this deal works out like the Salvador one.
Unlike Salvador though, I don't see Havelid staying around unless he really likes it in Jersey.

But that's neither here nor there, the Cup is my only concern at the moment.

It has virtually turned into the Mike Mottau Man Club.
I might apply for membership.
Church of Havelid???

Not cutting it, it just doesnt work :(. We will find out something soon.

So this means Greene is out of the lineup. So do we trade him or keep him for depth? I wouldnt mind giving up Greene and a pick for Ian White.

You're talking about Lowell. We care about the New Jersey Devils here first and foremost...and the Stanley Cup.

We have young guys like Corrente, Eckford, Burlon etc in our system...we'll be fine.

agreed, when your team is as good as this you go for the cup now, salmela sure has upside but the devils have surely solidified their defense

Im gonna toot my own horn a bit. I didnt necessarily call Salmela for Havelid but I had Salmela getting traded and Havelid coming here. See these posts:

Speculation Salmela will get traded:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=18234187&postcount=282


On Havelid coming here:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=18274580&postcount=19

Some quotes from that post:

"I see Lou going after a guy like Havelid."

And

"Havelid is the (realistic) guy I want Lou to pick up"





Not bad huh?
It was a good call. Most fans, including myself, were hoping for the big name guy, but we should have known better.

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Unlike Salvador though, I don't see Havelid staying around unless he really likes it in Jersey.
Maybe Lou won't want a 35-year old defenseman to stay.

I wanted Pronger not ****ing Nic Havelid! Sure Havelid is solid but we have enough solid defensemen, we need the big gun. We just wasted an assest that we could have possibly used in a bigger multi-player package.

So we added a solid 3/4 dman for the cup run without touching our starting roster. What's not to like? I'm with CD, this is a total go for it now move and I am fine with that.

I'm kind of lukewarm on this one. I don't think Salmela was going to be in the Devils' future so I don't really mind moving him. I don't hate this move or anything but I feel as if this will be Lou's only move which I don't really like.

why?? i don't think it prudent to change too much on the devils current roster, the obvious is to bring in the big defensive prize but

to give up a non roster player on a cup contending team to add experience to your d is a brilliant move. exactly what the team needed.

now mattou or greene is the 7th defensman. a fantastic trade.

What will happen to the NJ sect of the Church of Salmela!?

It has virtually turned into the Mike Mottau Man Club.

Rightly so...

TG wrote a few days ago about how he heard Lou was interested in Havelid. I'm sure others wrote about it, as well. Just figured I'd throw that out there.

I wanted Pronger not ****ing Nic Havelid! Sure Havelid is solid but we have enough solid defensemen, we need the big gun. We just wasted an assest that we could have possibly used in a bigger multi-player package.

Sorry but we are not getting Pronger without giving up at least Martin or Zajac, totally not worth it.

The Thrashers fans have nothing but high praise for Havelid on their board.

I wanted Pronger not ****ing Nic Havelid! Sure Havelid is solid but we have enough solid defensemen, we need the big gun. We just wasted an assest that we could have possibly used in a bigger multi-player package.
And... what do you trade for Pronger? And how does he interact with the rest of the team in terms of team chemistry?

Lou is undoubtedly still working the phones, but we're going to see at most a Ken Klee and a Dean McAmmond join this team, not a Chris Pronger and Jason Arnott.

Trust me, no one is more disappointed than I at this revelation, but I'm not surprised.

I like it. Salmela was a bit overrated by everyone here on the forum, especially with the few games he's played in. Havelid, on the other hand, is very underrated. He's a solid defensive defenseman who's contribution will be critical during tight playoff games. Just ask around on the Thrasher forum.

I still think (or at least I'm hoping) Lou isn't finished yet.

I wanted Pronger not ****ing Nic Havelid! Sure Havelid is solid but we have enough solid defensemen, we need the big gun. We just wasted an assest that we could have possibly used in a bigger multi-player package.

Can you wait until after Wed?

Do you really think Salmela would have been a make or break player in a big deal?

And... what do you trade for Pronger? And how does he interact with the rest of the team in terms of team chemistry?

Lou is undoubtedly still working the phones, but we're going to see at most a Ken Klee and a Dean McAmmond join this team, not a Chris Pronger and Jason Arnott.

The Penguins traded Ryan Whitney, while not my favorite, a good player, for just Chris Kunitz.

Take your guess then on what it would take to get Pronger.

The Penguins traded Ryan Whitney, while not my favorite, a good player, for just Chris Kunitz.

Take your guess then on what it would take to get Pronger.
No offense, but Ryan Whitney is terrible. And they got Tangradi too.

Gotta trust Lou and his staff on this one. I hate to see anssi go but, Havelid makes this team better today and hopefully this spring as well.

Lowell guy, you're getting Leach back. Probably. Chill. From the sound of the total ****show Lowell is defensively, you need Leach more than you need Salmela.
I know thats the first thing I thought of, we definitely do need Leach. I went to yesterday 6-1 loss to Portland, there defense made Clemmenson look like and ECHL goalie. It would have been nice to see NJ let Salmela develop, I just really like how played the game.

Please Lou, leave Lowell alone, we need Bergfors, Vasyunov, Corrente, Pelley, and definitely Leblond.

to be fair, Tangradi looks to be a pretty damn good player

I know thats the first thing I thought of, we definitely do need Leach. I went to yesterday 6-1 loss to Portland, there defense made Clemmenson look like and ECHL goalie. It would have been nice to see NJ let Salmela develop, I just really like how played the game.

Please Lou, leave Lowell alone, we need Bergfors, Vasyunov, Corrente, Pelley, and definitely Leblond.It would be nice to see both our AHL and ECHL clubs make the playoffs. Good luck and thanks for supporting the Lowell Devils!;)

The only thing keeping me from hurling myself off a bridge right now is the possibility that Lou is playing a prank on us. Yep, he's just having a laugh. We'll be seeing this press release soon...

"Lol, j/k guyz. Pronger on way."

No offense, but Ryan Whitney is terrible. And they got Tangradi too.

Ditto! Pronger is not going to be given away, especially since he is under contract for one more year and not a rental.

Hävelid's comment on the trade, from a Swedish site:

- It's great coming to a team with Stanley Cup as the only goal. In Atlanta the goal was to get out of our own zone first and foremost.

Gotta love that! :)

There is nothing bad about this trade. We turn a cost-nothing free agency signing into a valuable veteran blueline upgrade with playoff experience. Plus since it happened so early it sets the tone. If Boston or Washington believes we're done maybe they're not as pressured into getting someone like a Pronger or Kaberle. And if one does you'd have to believe Lou isn't foolish enough not to have some sort of backup plan/target.

If the playoffs started right now I'm confident the Devils + Havelid are the best team in the east. If Boston gets Pronger that changes, but if they don't and things stay the same we just made a move that made us better without mortgaging our future.

Great ****ing trade.

Anssi must go south and convert the Baptists from their radical ways. Fear not flock, he is on a mission and shall return to us some day when he is prepared to share his master plan with Lou.

At first I thought they said we got Havlat and I about drove off the road as the vessel burst in my head. Thankfully they said Atlanta quickly enough to save my life.

What the Devils need right now is leadership on D. Out of all the big name d-men out there, Pronger is the only one with actual leadership, but he will cost way too much. Players like Kaberle and Bouwmeester....don't know a thing about playoffs. In the last 3 playoffs, our d-men succumbed to pressure because they didn't know what the fck was going on. They need a leader to stabilize their play and get them to play they way they've always been playing: during the reg. season. I think Lou will try to go for someone to center the ZEG line or try to get a right winger and trade Gionta.

Salvador-Martin
Havelid-Oduya
White-(new player)
mottau

that should be our lineup in the playoffs.

I know thats the first thing I thought of, we definitely do need Leach. I went to yesterday 6-1 loss to Portland, there defense made Clemmenson look like and ECHL goalie. It would have been nice to see NJ let Salmela develop, I just really like how played the game.

Please Lou, leave Lowell alone, we need Bergfors, Vasyunov, Corrente, Pelley, and definitely Leblond.

NHL > AHL

Lou will do whatever he wants and you'll like it ;)

The Penguins traded Ryan Whitney, while not my favorite, a good player, for just Chris Kunitz.

Take your guess then on what it would take to get Pronger.
Well Tangradi was also a big part of that deal but your point still stands.

There is nothing bad about this trade. We turn a cost-nothing free agency signing into a valuable veteran blueline upgrade with playoff experience. Plus since it happened so early it sets the tone. If Boston or Washington believes we're done maybe they're not as pressured into getting someone like a Pronger or Kaberle. And if one does you'd have to believe Lou isn't foolish enough not to have some sort of backup plan/target.

If the playoffs started right now I'm confident the Devils + Havelid are the best team in the east. If Boston gets Pronger that changes, but if they don't and things stay the same we just made a move that made us better without mortgaging our future.

Great ****ing trade.

Agree with Goose.

Salvador-Martin
Havelid-Oduya
White-(new player)
mottau

that should be our lineup in the playoffs.Martin and Oduya need to play with each other.

What will happen to the NJ sect of the Church of Salmela!?

Now I know what the Jehovahs must feel like every time they predict the end of the world and it doesnt happen. :(

don't be so sure it's greene coming out of lineup

No, I'm as sure of that as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow and taxes will rise a few years from now.


I wouldnt mind giving up Greene and a pick for Ian White.

He was the guy I figured Lou was going to get because he would fill the exact same role that Greene is supposed to fill on the Devils....except....White would actually be successful and score some points.

EDIT: And how cool would a White-White pairing be? Doc would have fits and Chico's head would explode.

What the Devils need right now is leadership on D. Out of all the big name d-men out there, Pronger is the only one with actual leadership, but he will cost way too much. Players like Kaberle and Bouwmeester....don't know a thing about playoffs. In the last 3 playoffs, our d-men succumbed to pressure because they didn't know what the fck was going on. They need a leader to stabilize their play and get them to play they way they've always been playing: during the reg. season. I think Lou will try to go for someone to center the ZEG line or try to get a right winger and trade Gionta.

Salvador-Martin
Havelid-Oduya
White-(new player)
mottau

that should be our lineup in the playoffs.



That new player could be niedermayer? or not

wonder what # he'll wear..i assume 28 since thats what he wore in Atlanta

And... what do you trade for Pronger? And how does he interact with the rest of the team in terms of team chemistry?

Lou is undoubtedly still working the phones, but we're going to see at most a Ken Klee and a Dean McAmmond join this team, not a Chris Pronger and Jason Arnott.

Trust me, no one is more disappointed than I at this revelation, but I'm not surprised.

I think Pronger is a pipe dream, because it would probably cost Zajac (we're just missing the pieces to pull a bulk trade together for him.) and we don't have the centers to even consider moving Zajac, to give up his future to make a run.

I'm still holding out irrational hope for Nieds, that there is a way to pull this out because Nieds doesn't have the same value. They need that PP QB and they really need a second top guy to go with Martin. Martin scares me because he's getting into a habit of taking mental health time. He got banged up again yesterday.

Hävelid's comment on the trade, from a Swedish site:

- It's great coming to a team with Stanley Cup as the only goal. In Atlanta the goal was to get out of our own zone first and foremost.

Gotta love that! :)

:laugh:

havelid will work for us in the playoffs, but i seriously expected to see nieds back after the ducks/pitts trade. i dont think pronger is going anywhere i think its nieds whos going to be gone off the ducks of someone makes the right offer.

Originally Posted by Devilswede
In Lou I trust no matter what happens.

We were all over the guy when he only acquired Grant Marshall and Richard Smehlik. But look what happened.

Lou isn't subtracting from the roster while giving us a really good d-man in Hävelid. It's a great deal and improves our team.

Just watch Hävelid play, especielly on a good, structured team and you'll see how good he is. He also knows Tommy Albelin really well and should have no problems fitting in right away into our system.

If Lou is done he's done. I have no issues with that. We have a great team this year and we should mess with chemistry.

In the past Lou has made big moves because the team needed

i rarely agree with devilsweede but his post is 110% accurate it is a perfect trade and does nothing to mess with chemistry

i would say lou is done and rightfully so. the only other move i could see is a support forward 3rd or 4th line guy with grit and speed. for a late round pick #3 or #4.

Martin and Oduya need to play with each other.

You may want to rephrase that one! :sarcasm:

And Lou does it again. Havelid is a very solid defenseman and a huge upgrade over Greene. He also has more points than any defensemen not named Martin or Oduya.

Well Tangradi was also a big part of that deal but your point still stands.

Yes.

And whether you think Whitney is terrible or not, he's still an excellent puck mover and could help out any teams PP. Him being as soft as Charmin ultra is another story.

My post was just showing what value it would take for Anaheim to give us Pronger.

I have nothing against Havelid, but Lou has to do better than this. We have too many guys who are just average. We saw what happened when Paul Mart went down. This is Klee/Lukowich/Rachunek/Vish all over again.

I know thats the first thing I thought of, we definitely do need Leach. I went to yesterday 6-1 loss to Portland, there defense made Clemmenson look like and ECHL goalie. It would have been nice to see NJ let Salmela develop, I just really like how played the game.

Please Lou, leave Lowell alone, we need Bergfors, Vasyunov, Corrente, Pelley, and definitely Leblond.

Even though this is the deepest we have been in quite some time in terms of prospect depth, Lou is always about today and not down the road. If making a deal like this can improve the team, not hurt the chemistry (we did not trade a roster player) give us more depth and help us reach our Goal this season (Cup) then he could care less about Lowell. Anyone one of those names you mentioned would be shipped before you can blink if it made our team better then it is now.

It has always been a developmental program for players with future roles with the big club. Not about the overall success of Trenton and Lowell. Sure it is nice to see them playing well, but this trade makes the Devils better and Havelid is a solid D Man with Cup experience where Salmela has never sniffed the playoffs and has a lot of developing left.

I have no issues with this trade what so ever.

And Lou does it again. Havelid is a very solid defenseman and a huge upgrade over Greene. He also has more points than any defensemen not named Martin or Oduya.

agreed but i wish everyone would assume it is greene coming out of lineup, mottau may be the one as well

either way it's an upgrade,

you can get a good look at a t-bone etc

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet.. but when will Havy (that just came out) be joining the team? I'm guessing before the Isles game for sure, since its local.. But not for tomorrow night's game?

Maybe Lou won't want a 35-year old defenseman to stay.

I sure as hell don't. He better be a one and done guy.

I have nothing against Havelid, but Lou has to do better than this. We have too many guys who are just average. We saw what happened when Paul Mart went down. This is Klee/Lukowich/Rachunek/Vish all over again.
No, this is Salvador+. There's a dramatic difference.

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet.. but when will Havy (that just came out) be joining the team? I'm guessing before the Isles game for sure, since its local.. But not for tomorrow night's game?

I would guess he doesn't play tomorrow. There's really no reason to, when you have practices coming up, and he's not replacing someone already on the roster.

Mottau is not coming out of the lineup. i will bet anything on this

EDIT: And how cool would a White-White pairing be?


Well, if the Devils want to sign me for the league minimum then we can make that happen.

And Lou does it again. Havelid is a very solid defenseman and a huge upgrade over Greene. He also has more points than any defensemen not named Martin or Oduya.He's going to have a better crop of forwards to pass the puck up to.

How much would it really take to get kaberle?

Greene + Mottou + 1st + Bergfors?

we can essentially trade two roseter d-man plus picks/prospects for the top guy we want now

I would guess he doesn't play tomorrow. There's really no reason to, when you have practices coming up, and he's not replacing someone already on the roster.
Thought so, can't wait.. and if any other players are acquired they would play vs the Isles as well.. exciting!

Is it me, or is this season really heating up? So much going on... Devils playing well, Brodeur, Clemmer, trade deadline.. etc.

How much would it really take to get kaberle?

Greene + Mottou + 1st + Bergfors?

we can essentially trade two roseter d-man plus picks/prospects for the top guy we want now




lol no way

according to burke, itd be like Zajac, Greene, bergfors, 1st

****! I was honestly hoping Lou wouldn't make this deal. Does this mean we're done dealing for a d-man?:(

What the Devils need right now is leadership on D. Out of all the big name d-men out there, Pronger is the only one with actual leadership, but he will cost way too much. Players like Kaberle and Bouwmeester....don't know a thing about playoffs. In the last 3 playoffs, our d-men succumbed to pressure because they didn't know what the fck was going on. They need a leader to stabilize their play and get them to play they way they've always been playing: during the reg. season. I think Lou will try to go for someone to center the ZEG line or try to get a right winger and trade Gionta.

Salvador-Martin
Havelid-Oduya
White-(new player)
mottau

that should be our lineup in the playoffs.

Ummm, no. We have the second oldest team in the NHL (current champ Red Wings are the oldest), with veteran leadership up the yin yang, great team chemistry, incredible coaching and a proven system. White, Salvador, Martin (and now Havelid) provide tons of leadership.

And a big "no" on your pairings, as well. We are looking at these:

Martin - Oduya
White - Mottau
Salvador - Havelid
(Greene)

Our team is a juggernaut at this moment, allowing 2 goals in 9 periods of hockey, with rock solid team play from our blueline. No f-in way, under any circumstances, is Sutter going to stir up all three of our defensive pairings when they are playing great. That would be retarded. Sutter is not retarded. He just sounds like it because he is from western Canada.

I have nothing against Havelid, but Lou has to do better than this. We have too many guys who are just average. We saw what happened when Paul Mart went down. This is Klee/Lukowich/Rachunek/Vish all over again.

Better than this before Wed..How often do big deals happen before deadline day?

I don't know how anyone can be mad about this trade..It's not like the deadline has passed.. Havelid only strengthens our depth for a player that wasn't going to crack the lineup

I was a fan of Salmela and felt he'd have a solid future here in New Jersey. However, I've said all along that this season it's about the Cup and nothing else. Salmela isn't a player on this roster, and Havelid will be a fairly prominent member of our defense. Our defense now is better than it was this morning.

We'll see how this move plays out in the future, how good of a player Salmela ends up being (some of us had Suglobov as the next Gretzky), but am I excited about the effect this could have for the rest of the season and into the playoffs? without a doubt.

How much would it really take to get kaberle?

Greene + Mottou + 1st + Bergfors?

we can essentially trade two roseter d-man plus picks/prospects for the top guy we want now

I still don't think Kaberle is coming to the Devs, but I agree though this could indeed be a setup for some other D being moved.

As someone else mentioned, there is no way we get Pronger without giving up Martin or Zajac, and I don't care how much you might love Pronger, there isn't a Devils fan alive who thinks that would be a good idea. Top-ticket targets require giving up real talent, even the worst GM's know that. Look at what it took to get Doug Gilmour here: Steve Sullivan, Alyn McCauley (before his injury) and Jason Smith. That is a huge amount of young talent that played a lot of NHL games, and Gilmour didn't hang around that long. We don't have the kind of depth in Lowell to get away with those kinds of deals right now.

just came home to this....not bad. its been our best deadline accusation post lockout

is it possible we could use him in a later trade maybe sending back to anaheim where he has already player for perhaps nieds or pronger :nod:

Definitely a possibility. Also, last year, it was rumored that when we got Salvador, Lou tried to move one of the other D and couldn't work out a deal. I'd have to imagine the same thing happens this year.

agreed but i wish everyone would assume it is greene coming out of lineup, mottau may be the one as well

either way it's an upgrade,

you can get a good look at a t-bone etc

Ha, just watched that before.

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet.. but when will Havy (that just came out) be joining the team? I'm guessing before the Isles game for sure, since its local.. But not for tomorrow night's game?

I knew someone would ask. He wil play on the weekend.

just came home to this....not bad. its been our best deadline accusation post lockout
I actually agree with this. This is the second consecutive year we've acquired a team's top-pairing defenseman for an asset with little to no value, and Havelid is a better player than Salvador (IMO).

lol no way

according to burke, itd be like Zajac, Greene, bergfors, 1st

According to Burke it would be an NHL roster player, a 1st round pick and a top prospect.

What you are suggesting would be a HUGE overpayment.

I think it would be Oduya, Bergfors/Tedenby, and a 1st. Maybe Burke would take Pando off our hands instead.

lou only did it because he can give him #28

Better than this before Wed..How often do big deals happen before deadline day?

I don't know how anyone can be mad about this trade..It's not like the deadline has passed.. Havelid only strengthens our depth for a player that wasn't going to crack the lineup

All I have to say is, when Martin gets his period and misses a week in the playoffs, we're screwed. Someone brought up the Smehlik example...that only worked because we already have a strong core of defenseman. All we have now is Martin.

lou only did it because he can give him #28
Leach is still wearing #28. But I wouldn't be surprised if Havelid got it anyway.

All I have to say is, when Martin gets his period and misses a week in the playoffs, we're screwed. Someone brought up the Smehlik example...that only worked because we already have a strong core of defenseman. All we have now is Martin.
Havelid is 3x the player Smehlik was.

Everyone pretty much overrated Salmela. He wasn't going to help us this year or next year probably. He just didn't adjust very well to the NHL. He was a 6th D-man at best. I really like this move and I think it's a steal. Lou made our defense a lot better with this trade. Seems like a Lukowich/Salvador type fit but he brings a better outlet pass and more mobility. In Lou we Trust :yo:

Ummm, no. We have the second oldest team in the NHL (current champ Red Wings are the oldest), with veteran leadership up the yin yang, great team chemistry, incredible coaching and a proven system. White, Salvador, Martin (and now Havelid) provide tons of leadership.

And a big "no" on your pairings, as well. We are looking at these:

Martin - Oduya
White - Mottau
Salvador - Havelid
(Greene)

Our team is a juggernaut at this moment, allowing 2 goals in 9 periods of hockey, with rock solid team play from our blueline. No f-in way, under any circumstances, is Sutter going to stir up all three of our defensive pairings when they are playing great. That would be retarded. Sutter is not retarded. He just sounds like it because he is from western Canada.

most of the "old" players are the fowards...umm yea white and martin don't provide enough leadership. White was just beginning to mature when he played with stevens and niedermayer and Martin was just a rookie. Do I even need to explain the situation with Salvador? Anyways, if that was enough, what happened in last years series with the rangers. We should've destroyed them but Avery got into the Devils heads, whether you admit it or not.

As for the pairings, I just made it like that because it isn't really ideal to have 2 defensive defensemen on 1 pairing.

guys keep in mind he is only one of 3 guys on atl that has played the majority of games and still is a plus

Saw a rumor of Gaborik coming to the DEvils, anyone else hear this?

most of the "old" players are the fowards...umm yea white and martin don't provide enough leadership. White was just beginning to mature when he played with stevens and niedermayer and Martin was just a rookie. Do I even need to explain the situation with Salvador? Anyways, if that was enough, what happened in last years series with the rangers. We should've destroyed them but Avery got into the Devils heads, whether you admit it or not.

As for the pairings, I just made it like that because it isn't really ideal to have 2 defensive defensemen on 1 pairing.




the rangers were a better team than we were last year. we were an average team at best

IMO, we should have held out for Morris. I'd run outside butt naked and make snow angels if we brought him aboard.

All I have to say is, when Martin gets his period and misses a week in the playoffs, we're screwed. Someone brought up the Smehlik example...that only worked because we already have a strong core of defenseman. All we have now is Martin.

Wednesday hasn't even come yet.. Why jump the gun so early?

Do you think Salmela would have been enough to push a 'no' to a 'yes' in a big deal?

As far as Lou being done, I still think Clemmer will be traded. Maybe for a 3rd or something.

Leach is still wearing #28. But I wouldn't be surprised if Havelid got it anyway.

I think this move gets Leach a ticket to Lowell.

just came home to this....not bad. its been our best deadline accusation post lockoutOr about the same as the Brad Lukowich deal. Havelid=Lukowich IMO.

As far as Lou being done, I still think Clemmer will be traded. Maybe for a 3rd or something.




no one is going to trade a 3rd for Clemmensen

Saw a rumor of Gaborik coming to the DEvils, anyone else hear this?

Where did you hear these shenanigans?

I actually agree with this. This is the second consecutive year we've acquired a team's top-pairing defenseman for an asset with little to no value, and Havelid is a better player than Salvador (IMO).

That's very debateable.

Leach is still wearing #28. But I wouldn't be surprised if Havelid got it anyway.

can we still carry him with havelid on the team?

also keep in mind we still have clemmer who is very tradeable

Hävelid's comment on the trade, from a Swedish site:

- It's great coming to a team with Stanley Cup as the only goal. In Atlanta the goal was to get out of our own zone first and foremost.

Gotta love that! :)

:laugh: This is almost as funny as the shaking screen with the MSG banner.

Just saw this, can't say I'm too happy. I'll admit I know very little about Havelid, but I was hoping for someone better.

IMO, we should have held out for Morris. I'd run outside butt naked and make snow angels if we brought him aboard.

i think he said he wanted to stay out west

We got a prospect in this deal too...Myles Stoesz...

Stoesz, 22, has four goals and three assists with 158 penalty minutes in 43 games this season with the Gwinnett Gladiators of the ECHL. The Steinbach, Manitoba, native has appeared in 107 career games with the Gladiators, recording eight goals and five assists with 449 penalty minutes.

Stoesz was originally selected by the Thrashers in the seventh round, 207th overall, of the 2005 NHL Entry Draft.

As far as Lou being done, I still think Clemmer will be traded. Maybe for a 3rd or something.Not if scouts are watching his AHL performance.

IMO, we should have held out for Morris. I'd run outside butt naked and make snow angels if we brought him aboard.

this is probably just an insurance deal, in case Lou doesn't get the deal he wants at the deadline.

Wednesday hasn't even come yet.. Why jump the gun so early?

Do you think Salmela would have been enough to push a 'no' to a 'yes' in a big deal?

I'm not bothered by the fact that Anssi got dealt at all. I just think this move gives us more of what we already have while there are still major holes on our back end (hehe).

We got a prospect in this deal too...Myles Stoesz...
Really? Huh.

Nice deal, Lou.

IMO, we should have held out for Morris. I'd run outside butt naked and make snow angels if we brought him aboard.
Morris isn't waiving his NTC to go East.

The only negative part, and I don't even know if this is negative but we still have all Left handed defensman. Ever since losing Rafalski it seems like all we have is left handed D-men. It'll be interesting to see if we can possibly still get Morris from Pheonix for something like Andy Greene and a pick.I'd really love to see that move. Not having a right handed D-man really bothers me too.

the rangers were a better team than we were last year. we were an average team at best

actually, I think the Avery trade is what made them better than us and that was just because of the Marty and Avery incidents.

Just like last year, I hope Lou isn't fooled into thinking this team is set for the playoffs just because they are playing so well. The same exact thing happened last year and we got a first round exit.

I'm not bothered by the fact that Anssi got dealt at all. I just think this move gives us more of what we already have while there are still major holes on our back end (hehe).
Well, then stop complaining until the deadline passes and we know whether or not this was Lou's only move.

this year's team would absolutely destroy last year's team

We got a prospect in this deal too...Myles Stoesz...

Why? Haha. Sounds like Kevin Cormier part 2.

According to Burke it would be an NHL roster player, a 1st round pick and a top prospect.

What you are suggesting would be a HUGE overpayment.

I think it would be Oduya, Bergfors/Tedenby, and a 1st. Maybe Burke would take Pando off our hands instead.

I'm not sure it's overpayment once you start to plug in names. Did Nashville overpay for Forsberg with Upshall, Parent, and 1st/3rd round picks? They had the depth to do that deal, and David Poile reiterated he has absolutely no regrets (nor should he) about making that deal.

Just because the Devils can't afford it doesn't mean somebody else can't. If Boston offers up Chuck Kobasew, Joe Colborne, and a first rounder this year....that fits Burke's criteria too and doesn't really put a huge dent into the Bruins.

actually, I think the Avery trade is what made them better than us and that was just because of the Marty and Avery incidents.

Just like last year, I hope Lou isn't fooled into thinking this team is set for the playoffs just because they are playing so well. The same exact thing happened last year and we got a first round exit.

No, they're playing far better this year than they were last year. Last year's team was like this year's Rangers, except they found a way to win more games.

I'm not bothered by the fact that Anssi got dealt at all. I just think this move gives us more of what we already have while there are still major holes on our back end (hehe).

:laugh:

We still have a whole day Wednesday to see what Lou has in mind.. I just think this is a very nice no risk move

Morris isn't waiving his NTC to go East.If doesn't want a chance at the cup then we don't want him either. Let's hope were wrong I want Morris.

Stoesz seems like a scrapper. Now I doubt so, but I wonder if that means anything for Clarkson or a second deal.

IMO, we should have held out for Morris. I'd run outside butt naked and make snow angels if we brought him aboard.

Meh. Havelid and Morris are basically on the same level - 2nd pairing defenseman.

The only difference is that Morris is a right handed shot, and more of a puck mover, while Havelid is a left handed shot, better defensively, and has more playoff experience.

Not if scouts are watching his AHL performance.

C'mon, it is time to give Clemmer some credit. Yes he was not a dominant stand on his head night in and night out Goaltender, but he kept us in games and still had good #'s.

Guaranteed if we make Clemmer available, there are at least a few that would be interested. Even if it is only for a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick.

Also, no relation to your post, but to this thread in general, I am not comprehending this negativity about Lou trading away Salmela for an experienced depth defense man for the playoff run. This is a solid deal for a solid defense man.

Salmela is still unproven. I remember everyone (including me by the way) frowning at the Suglobov for Klee deal, since it was one of our top Forward prospects for a veteran D Man. Suglobov has not amounted to anything to date. Of course, Klee was nothing special for us either, but that is besides the point.

We got a prospect and a very good D Man for Salmela. I am happy.

Really? Huh.

Nice deal, Lou.

Why? Haha. Sounds like Kevin Cormier part 2.


Yeah, the word "prospect" is a bit of a stretch. I wonder HTH someone like that gets tossed into a trade. Trenton needs an upgrade?

We got a prospect in this deal too...Myles Stoesz...

not really much of a prospect eh.

Yeah, the word "prospect" is a bit of a stretch. I wonder HTH someone like that gets tossed into a trade. Trenton needs an upgrade?
Hey, an asset is an asset.

Yeah, the word "prospect" is a bit of a stretch. I wonder HTH someone like that gets tossed into a trade. Trenton needs an upgrade?

Lou likes to have these guys come over to his house and fight each other for his own amusement?

About all I can think of. This guy probably makes PLL look great.

Stoesz seems like a scrapper. Now I doubt so, but I wonder if that means anything for Clarkson or a second deal.

I highly doubt it, considering Stoesz seems like he's among the garbage scraps of the ECHL.

Das Uber and all the other complainers, is there a reason for your hatred of Havelid? Seriously do you realize it is impossible to acquire a top pairing defenseman without breaking up the team? Look at the facts about Havelid:

-Positive +/- in 3 out of 4 seasons with a terrible Atlanta team

-More points than any of our defensemen beside Oduya and Martin while getting NO PP TIME (meaning he has a decent outlet pass)

-4th on his team in TOI/G (almost 21 minutes a night), 2nd in ES TOI/G, and 1st in SH TOI/G



Seriously, what is wrong with him? We may lack upper end talent on defense but our depth is in the upper half of the league.

Martin

Oduya
White
Havelid
Salvador

Mottau


2-5 are all interchangeable for us. That is a good thing to have in the playoffs. On a sidenote, I suspect Oduya takes Greenes PP time and Havelid replaces Oduyas SH time.

Hey, an asset is an asset.


Trenton is getting hit heavy with injuries, we need anyone we can get!

Meh. Havelid and Morris are basically on the same level - 2nd pairing defenseman.

The only difference is that Morris is a right handed shot, and more of a puck mover, while Havelid is a left handed shot, better defensively, and has more playoff experience.

considering that was our biggest need from a dman Morris would've been a better option plus he's younger.

So thats it? After weeks of believing we were going to get a great d-man, and we get Havelid? Well im a little dissapointed.

Hey, an asset is an asset.

Okay, but this "asset" is more like aluminum than platinum :sarcasm:

Stoesz, 22, has four goals and three assists with 158 penalty minutes in 43 games this season with the Gwinnett Gladiators of the ECHL. The Steinbach, Manitoba, native has appeared in 107 career games with the Gladiators, recording eight goals and five assists with 449 penalty minutes

considering that was our biggest need from a dman Morris would've been a better option plus he's younger.
The "younger" criteria is completely worthless right now. These are not players we plan on keeping.

So long as Havelid has a good outlet pass, can pinch reliably, and is good defensively, he's exactly what we need. Atlanta fans speak of him as easily the best defenseman on their team.

So thats it? After weeks of believing we were going to get a great d-man, and we get Havelid? Well im a little dissapointed.
Deadlines never change.

It'll be interesting to see the other D-men who move before the deadline, and for what, and try and decide if the Devils should have been in the fight for one of those guys instead of Havelid, without giving up much more. In terms of overall quality, there will either be guys who are more one-dimensional and less tested, or there will be the Big Guns who will go for a lot.

I had no interest in seeing Kaberle in a NJ uniform either. It just feels too much like bring Tverdovsky back to me. Ugh.

We got a prospect in this deal too...Myles Stoesz...

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:laugh:

We still have a whole day Wednesday to see what Lou has in mind.. I just think this is a very nice no risk move

I'm freakin' out man!

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Meh. Havelid and Morris are basically on the same level - 2nd pairing defenseman.

The only difference is that Morris is a right handed shot, and more of a puck mover, while Havelid is a left handed shot, better defensively, and has more playoff experience.

Which is basically what we need.

The "younger" criteria is completely worthless right now. These are not players we plan on keeping.

I wouldn't mind keeping a guy like Morris. We don't plan on keeping Havy since he's 35 years old. these players can easily turn into keepers. hell most guys Lou trades for end up staying for more then one year.

So thats it? After weeks of believing we were going to get a great d-man, and we get Havelid? Well im a little dissapointed.

I forgot the deadline passed :sarcasm:

Wonderful asset management by Lou. I think he's done at this point.

I forgot the deadline passed :sarcasm:

do you think he's going to still trade for a better dman?

He's a +4 on an awful Atlanta team, we got him for virtually nothing. Good trade.

I have to believe Lou is done. We got that 1 defenseman people were saying we would get. I can't see us doing anything else, our team is gelling right now.

Stoesz is a cool ass name

We started this day with no Hävelid on the team. Now we have Hävelid on the team while all the other guys are still on the roster. How could that be a bad move??

Just think about how our D looked yesterday....and then just add a guy like Hävelid to it. Doesn't it look much better?

I don't know how anyone could say that this is a bad deal.

Hell...Lou might not be done.

Lou does it again. This is a great move.

I would say that this is an even better value for value trade than last year's deadline move. Cam was at least a proven NHLer, even if he was simply a 4th line agitator. With Salmela we still don't even know whether he'll turn into anything more than a standout AHLer. Anyways, I like Anssi and hope he can turn into a good player in the future. It will definitely be a lower pressure situation coming into ATL's defense rather than coming into ours where expectations are so high.

With Havelid, I see him fitting into our defense well once Sutter & co. get the system pumping in his veins. He's a good short-range puck mover, which is key in our defensive possession. He has a good head on him from what I've seen.

Oduya - Martin
Salvador - Havelid
White - Mottau

vs.

Oduya - Martin
Salvador - Greene
White - Mottau



I'm ASSUMING that it's Greene, and not Mottau, coming out of the lineup. That being said, Greene has looked good the past few games, but then again, you're never as good as you look when you're winning.

Poor TG is probably still in the air right now and has no idea what's going on.

You have to think Andy Greene comes out of the lineup.

Basically giving up nothing for Nik leaves us room to trade for a forward if Lou decides too.

If this is the only move. So be it

considering that was our biggest need from a dman Morris would've been a better option plus he's younger.

Uh, I think that comparing ages of two upcoming UFAs is irrelevant.

And plus, Havelid has also been a 30+ scorer twice.

We started this day with no Hävelid on the team. Now we have Hävelid on the team while all the other guys are still on the roster. How could that be a bad move??

Just think about how our D looked yesterday....and then just add a guy like Hävelid to it. Doesn't it look much better?

I don't know how anyone could say that this is a bad deal.

Hell...Lou might not be done.

No one is saying this is a bad deal jsut that they would've rather gotten someone else. And in all likelihood Lou is done atleast on the defensive front.

do you think he's going to still trade for a better dman?

I have no idea what Lou is going to do.. I doubt anyone does..

I'm just not going to rush to judgment when the deadline hasn't even approached... Our team now is better than it was a couple hours ago.. Even if it's only a tweak

Even if he doesn't make any more deals.. Oh welll.. We don't know what other teams are asking for yet.. Let's see what guys like Morris and Kaberle fetch before 'holding out for ____'

Uh, I think that comparing ages of two upcoming UFAs is irrelevant.

And plus, Havelid has also been a 30+ scorer twice.

Not irrelevant. When the guy is on your roster you have first negotiating rights. Morris is a guy I wouldn't mind keeping. So yes age can play a small minor point. I didn't say age should be the first factor when looking at a trade.

And Havelid was a 30 point guy 3 years ago. He was a 14 point guy last year.

All the Morris talk is completely irrelevant because he isn't waiving his NTC to come east.

All the Morris talk is completely irrelevant because he isn't waiving his NTC to come east.

it was just a suggestion you can replace Morris with player X if you prefer.

Solid move, I like it. See ya Andy!

ok i have heard enough, is there not one person on this board that thinks greene stays in and mottau sits? i do.

just like when everyone though when salmela got called up it was because greene was out ..

greene is playing very well as is mottau . but the fact that every person in here is certain greene sits over mottau drives me mad, neither one 's play warrants a benching but one now will have to sit. i say keep greene in lineup, he is better than maottau

The only thing keeping me from hurling myself off a bridge right now is the possibility that Lou is playing a prank on us.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

NO

NO

YOU'RE THREATENING SUICIDE OVER THE WORST DEFENSEMEN WE'VE ICED ALL YEAR WITH NO POTENTIAL IN NJ FOR A SOLID #3-5 GUY?


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm freakin' out man!

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You are freakin' out...man.