Trade Possibilities - A Statistical Look

Feel free to merge this with the main trade thread if need be. But, a bunch of names have been bandied about here in recent weeks and I decided to take a statistical look at how they've performed this season.

This is very much like the thread on our own defenseman that I created last month.

Enjoy and feel free to suggest adding another player to this.

Even Strength (5 on 5 only)
Player|Team|ESTOI/G|TeamRk|Points|TeamRk|OnIce/OffIceRtg|TeamRk|QOC|TeamRk|GAON/60|TeamRk
Scott Niedermayer|ANA|18:12|2|15|t2|-1.06|7|0.03|1|2.51|5
Chris Pronger|ANA|18:31|1|15|t2|-0.25|5|0.00|3|2.23|4
Steve Montador|ANA|13:37|6|19|1|1.86|1|-0.13|7|2.12|3
Niclas Havelid|ATL|17:05|2|11|2|0.25|3|0.02|t1|2.73|4
Cam Barker|CHI|13:42|6|7|7|-1.45|7|-0.04|6|2.63|7
Jordan Leopold|COL|14:46|6|15|1|-0.76|7|-0.09|6|3.31|7
Jay Bouwmeester|FLA|19:04|1|16|2|0.18|4|0.09|1|2.18|3
Brendan Witt|NYI|16:11|6|7|5|-2.04|8|0.09|t1|3.95|7
Filip Kuba|OTT|16:24|3|12|1|1.64|1|0.04|3|1.86|1
Derek Morris|PHX|17:11|4|10|4|-0.87|7|0.01|3|2.66|4
Tomas Kaberle|TOR|17:53|2|12|4|-0.20|7|-0.04|7|3.44|9
Ian White|TOR|17:28|4|18|1|1.24|1|-0.02|t3|2.62|2



Power Play
Player|Team|PPTOI/G|TeamRk|Points|TeamRk|Points/60|TeamRk
Scott Niedermayer|ANA|4:09|2|25|1|5.38|1
Chris Pronger|ANA|4:37|1|21|2|4.41|2
Steve Montador|ANA|1:06|3|1|4|0.87|4
Niclas Havelid|ATL|0:16|t4|2|t3|7.26|3
Cam Barker|CHI|3:21|2|22|1|7.94|1
Jordan Leopold|COL|2:18|4|4|3|1.31|3
Jay Bouwmeester|FLA|4:22|2|14|1|3.37|2
Brendan Witt|NYI|0:11|6|0|t2|0.00|t2
Filip Kuba|OTT|4:31|1|16|1|3.75|4
Derek Morris|PHX|2:01|3|1|3|0.54|4
Tomas Kaberle|TOR|4:48|1|19|t1|4.62|3
Ian White|TOR|2:19|5|3|t4|1.62|7



Penalty Kill
Player|Team|SHTOI/G|TeamRk|QOC|TeamRk|GAON/60|TeamRk
Scott Niedermayer|ANA|4:42|2|8.80|6|6.42|4
Chris Pronger|ANA|3:54|3|10.26|5|8.11|8
Steve Montador|ANA|1:23|5|11.10|4|5.90|2
Niclas Havelid|ATL|3:32|1|0.94|2|10.27|6
Cam Barker|CHI|1:17|7|-0.32|8|9.65|7
Jordan Leopold|COL|1:05|5|0.77|5|4.65|1
Jay Bouwmeester|FLA|3:31|1|0.07|5|8.09|5
Brendan Witt|NYI|3:30|2|-0.75|6|6.67|6
Filip Kuba|OTT|2:24|4|-0.22|7|9.40|8
Derek Morris|PHX|2:03|3|14.19|5|7.88|5
Tomas Kaberle|TOR|1:09|7|0.56|7|11.04|7
Ian White|TOR|2:16|3|1.93|2|6.59|1



What did I take away from these stats regarding these Defensmen?

Chris Pronger
Sort of a down year 5 on 5, but puts up a lot of points on the PP, and still logs big minutes. Would be a great addition.

Scott Niedermayer
Like Pronger, Scott is having a bit of a down year 5 on 5, but has excellent PP numbers - as well as very good PK numbers.

Steve Montador
Is having a good offensive season 5 on 5, with 19 of his 20 points coming 5 on 5. Surprising that he hasn't gotten more time on the PP, and produced on it. Montador has good defensive ratings, but ES, plays to a low QOC rating. A good, puck moving, 3rd pairing defenseman IMO.

Niclas Havelid
Not bad numbers on a bad Atlanta team. Logs top minutes for the Thrashers and has decent GA numbers. However, not enough of a point producer for me. Does not get much time on the PP.

Cam Barker
Young, somewhat raw talent, and the defensive numbers reflect that - he isn't all "there" yet. But on the PP, that's another story. Would be a great PP Quarterback.

Jordan Leopold
Dreadful ES defensive numbers - that GAON rating is hideous to say the least. 6th among COL defensemen in ES ice time, on a team that isn't very good keeping puck out of the neck. Not very appealing of an acquisition IMO.

Jay Bouwmeester
Essentially a pipe dream, but the best defenseman on this list, and one of the best in the league - and the numbers prove it. He's excellent in all facets of the game.

Brendan Witt
I've been saying that Witt's had a down year and the numbers support it. Awful 5 on 5 numbers, and is not a puck moving defenseman. A poor man's version of Salvador and White at this point. Do not want.

Filip Kuba
Can't believe I forgot to add him the first time. Would be a nice addition if the bigger names are not what Lou is able to acquire. Points up points from the backend and would help the PP out. Has also arguably been Ottawa's best ES defenseman this season.

Derek Morris
Average numbers 5 on 5 - neither spectacular or disappointing. His point production is a bit however. He does have impressive PK numbers.

Tomas Kaberle
Like Witt and Leopold, awful 5 on 5 defensive numbers. Unlike those other two, he is an elite puck moving defenseman. Would not sell the farm for him, but would pay a big price to get him.

Ian White
Surprisingly impressive numbers in most areas. Perhaps the Leafs' best 5 on 5 defender, and unquestionably their best PKer. Has been able to put up points ES, would be a good pickup IMO.

despite the stats I still want Leopold

This makes me want J-Bo even more. Please get it done Louie.

I want 3 people :

J-Bo
Nieds
Pronger


IN THAT ORDER!

Could you do one for Barker, and how would he compare with other players on this list.

Thanks ahead of time.

If you have time, I would like to see these player's stats, as I have a hunch that Lou would be looking more towards these players.

Marc-Andre Bergeron, Shea Weber & Zidlicky.

Thanks!

If you have time, I would like to see these player's stats, as I have a hunch that Lou would be looking more towards these players.

Marc-Andre Bergeron, Shea Weber & Zidlicky.

Thanks!

No thank you on MA Bergeron.

Shea Weber will not be traded.

Zidlicky seems interesting on the other hand.

I'm pretty impressed with Morris' numbers, I expected worse...

Added Barker to the list. Will add another later on.

I'd love Kaberle.

The asking price for Kaberle is a little steep. Burke has already stated that he wouldnt mind keeping T Kabs around. He said he'd consider an offer that included a first rounder, high end prospect, and a player that can contribute right away.

Barker = beast.

He's a little rough around the edges, but with the miracles we've performed on Mottau and Oduya, I don't know how we can pass on the guy.

Hello Derek Morris.

Be seeing you soon.

yeah if not neids..then i see my boys trading for morris

I'd still like to see Kuba though no one mentions him

I'd still like to see Kuba though no one mentions him

I knew I forgot somebody - I'll add him.

EDIT: And he has very impressive numbers.

Cam daddy barks would be sick as we stated earlier in the season. Not just from a player standpoint, but from a contract standpoint. He is a restricted free agent. I would love to sign him for 3 years and have him still as a restricted free agent, a la Parise, and soon to be, hopefully, Zajac.

so close to the deadline

Barker sucks defensively at this point in his career. Id rather get someone whos gonna help us win the cup then someone who will help down the line. I see Lou going for a guy like Havelid who I wouldnt mind or maybe Salei who doesnt get mentioned much. Those 2 and Morris are my top 3 realistic choices that Im hoping Lou will pick up. After looking at some of their stats, Havelid is the (realistic) guy I want Lou to pick up. Hes been a + on a terrible Thrashers team 3 out of the past 4 years, has some playoff experience, and is an adequate puck mover. Seems like a Lukowich type fit but he brings a better outlet pass and more mobility.


Also, Im interested in Kubina and Salei's stats if you dont mind.

With White and Sal around, you won't see any strictly D-Dmen come to town. Team needs a scoring D-man.

Just a name, but what about Steve Eminger? He has been traded twice in the past year and his cap hit is 1mil, RFA next year. Can bring the offense from the back, and might not be expensive compensation wise to get. Just trying to throw a new "dark horse" type name into the pot. (Also having flashbacks of the Chambers trade from '95). :dunno:

i think we have to take into consideration the teams these guys are on. its not surprise leopold, kaberle and witt are the worst for GAON when you look at what team they play for

i think we have to take into consideration the teams these guys are on. its not surprise leopold, kaberle and witt are the worst for GAON when you look at what team they play for

Kuba's on a bad team and his numbers are impressive. Havelid's and Morris's are pretty decent as well.

Leopold is the 6th defenseman on a Colorado team 27th in GA/G. Witt is not the same player he once was. Being a warrior is all fine and dandy, but you still have to play some defense. And Kaberle has never been an elite shutdown defenseman. He's good defensively and an elite puckmover.

Kuba's on a bad team and his numbers are impressive. Havelid's and Morris's are pretty decent as well.

Leopold is the 6th defenseman on a Colorado team 27th in GA/G. Witt is not the same player he once was. Being a warrior is all fine and dandy, but you still have to play some defense. And Kaberle has never been an elite shutdown defenseman. He's good defensively and an elite puckmover.

Not impressed with Kuba - NEVER BEEN A PLUS PLAYER IN HIS LIFE. I know +/- doesnt tell all, but he played on some very good and very defensive Minnesota Wild teams and a decent Lightning team last year and the best he ever was is even.

You are dead on about Leopold, dont wont any part of him. Salei would be a better option from Colorado, he logs a ton of minutes.

Havelid has been a plus player on a terrible Atlanta team 3 of the past 4 years. He is 4th on his team in TOI/G (3rd among defenseman - almost 21 minutes per game), 1st in SH TOI/G, and 2nd in ES TOI/G. He is a really important part of their defense and he is not a pure stay at home like White or Salvador because he brings more mobility and a better outlet pass. Hes played some second unit PP in the past so that can be given to either him or Oduya.

I do not believe we need a PP QB more than a Dman who is great defensively because our 1st unit is fine with Martin and Langenbrunner, they have great chemistry and that unit has been scoring a lot. Our second unit sucks but not because we dont have the weapons, because we have no one who can carry the puck into the zone and set it up. Shanahan is too slow, Zubrus cant do it, Gionta SHOULD be able to do it, Rolston doesnt go in deep, and Greene cant do it. That is why that unit sucks, once in the zone they are decent. Thats why I think that unit could be imrpoved a bunch by having Oduya on it instead of Greene, because he is better at skating and carrying it into the zone. Really, wed need to acquire a center to replace Zubrus who can carry it into the zone like Blowez did for that unit to be effective.

Not impressed with Kuba - NEVER BEEN A PLUS PLAYER IN HIS LIFE. I know +/- doesnt tell all, but he played on some very good and very defensive Minnesota Wild teams and a decent Lightning team last year and the best he ever was is even.

You are dead on about Leopold, dont wont any part of him. Salei would be a better option from Colorado, he logs a ton of minutes.

Havelid has been a plus player on a terrible Atlanta team 3 of the past 4 years. He is 4th on his team in TOI/G (3rd among defenseman - almost 21 minutes per game), 1st in SH TOI/G, and 2nd in ES TOI/G. He is a really important part of our defense and he is not a pure stay at home like White or Salvador because he brings more mobility and a better outlet pass. Hes played some second unit PP in the past so that can be given to either him or Oduya.

I do not believe we need a PP QB more than a Dman who is great defensively because our 1st unit is fine with Martin and Langenbrunner, they have great chemistry and that unit has been scoring a lot. Our second unit sucks but not because we dont have the weapons, because we have no one who can carry the puck into the zone and set it up. Shanahan is too slow, Zubrus cant do it, Gionta SHOULD be able to do it, Rolston doesnt go in deep, and Greene cant do it. That is why that unit sucks, once in the zone they are decent. Thats why I think that unit could be imrpover a bunch by having Oduya on it instead of Greene, because he is better at skating and carrying it into the zone. Really, wed need to acquire a center to replace Zubrus who can carry it into the zone like Blowez did for that unit to be effective.

See, you can't take just the +/- by itself - that's what you're doing.

These stats are basically going behind the +/- stat, namely the GAON/60 stat. That stat just judges the defensive part of the +/- along with ice time.

The fact that Kuba has a 1.86 GAON/60 rating in ES action, to go along with a positive Quality of Competition rating, is very impressive. Add that in with the fact that he's put up points this year, and I think that he's a very attractive option.

You're right about Havelid, his good +/- rating is mainly because he is a strong defensive player. The reason why he's not the tops on my list is because he is not a puck moving defenseman.

I'd take anyone on that list aside from Witt.

See, you can't take just the +/- by itself - that's what you're doing.

These stats are basically going behind the +/- stat, namely the GAON/60 stat. That stat just judges the defensive part of the +/- along with ice time.

The fact that Kuba has a 1.86 GAON/60 rating in ES action, to go along with a positive Quality of Competition rating, is very impressive. Add that in with the fact that he's put up points this year, and I think that he's a very attractive option.

You're right about Havelid, his good +/- rating is mainly because he is a strong defensive player. The reason why he's not the tops on my list is because he is not a puck moving defenseman.

I know I just assumed, I forgot you included him on your list but I am not fully sure how to interpret those stats. The fact that he played in a similar system on the Wild for so long and was never a plus concerns me slightly, but Id have to look at some of his teammates +/- that year, plus his TOI/G, his teams GA/GF, etc.

How about Tom Preissing compared to these guys? He really cashed in after 1 good season in Ottawa. He was just activated and then waived by the Kings. Any interest in seeing him on the Devils?

How about Tom Preissing compared to these guys? He really cashed in after 1 good season in Ottawa. He was just activated and then waived by the Kings. Any interest in seeing him on the Devils?

Just checked his numbers and they're not worth posting. They're awful.

Ian White has been added.

CFD, Ian White has 8 goals and 14 assists this year. I'm not sure if that equals 18 points...;)

CFD, Ian White has 8 goals and 14 assists this year. I'm not sure if that equals 18 points...;)

Even strength points.

Well, adding Havelid made a team that was already the best in the NHL (or near it) at even strength even better. Can't complain about that.

He'll probably see second unit PP tim as well.

Well, adding Havelid made a team that was already the best in the NHL (or near it) at even strength even better. Can't complain about that.

He'll probably see second unit PP tim as well.

Idk I think Oduya deserves it and he will replace most of Oduyas SH time.

Barker sucks defensively at this point in his career. Id rather get someone whos gonna help us win the cup then someone who will help down the line. I see Lou going for a guy like Havelid who I wouldnt mind or maybe Salei who doesnt get mentioned much. Those 2 and Morris are my top 3 realistic choices that Im hoping Lou will pick up. After looking at some of their stats, Havelid is the (realistic) guy I want Lou to pick up. Hes been a + on a terrible Thrashers team 3 out of the past 4 years, has some playoff experience, and is an adequate puck mover. Seems like a Lukowich type fit but he brings a better outlet pass and more mobility.


Also, Im interested in Kubina and Salei's stats if you dont mind.


:yo:

:yo:

Well you certainly know how to toot your own horn. We get it, you predicted this, good for you.

Well you certainly know how to toot your own horn. We get it, you predicted this, good for you.

Was that really necessary dude? Sorry I am realistic and not holding out for Niedermayer or Pronger at the deadline, or for Anssi Salmela to ever crack our roster.

I guess Lou was just waiting for CFD to make one of his crazy superdeep statistical threads so he could see who to get.

I guess Lou was just waiting for CFD to make one of his crazy superdeep statistical threads so he could see who to get.

:nod: :laugh:

Holy crap, I just realized Montador is a UFA.

4 goals, 16 assists, +15. He hits, shoots, only makes $800k, and is a UFA this season.

CFD, would you do the honors?

Holy crap, I just realized Montador is a UFA.

4 goals, 16 assists, +15. He hits, shoots, only makes $800k, and is a UFA this season.

CFD, would you do the honors?

Yes, I will - and from doing my stuff on Nieds and Pronger, I remember Montador's numbers being good.

EDIT: Done.