Officially Time to Sell

Ducks have been on the bubble of being a seller the last couple of weeks. This game really cements it for me. Re-build.

Yep, hopefully by the next home game, this team has a whole new look and a stocked prospect pool.

Its not even worth it unless we can join the tank for tavares

I reluctantly agree, but only because pronger is my favorite, not because I'm still believing in a playoff run. It's possible, but losing this game tonight really broke my spirit. I want to see niedermayer back in jersey and Morrison as far away from Anaheim as physically possible. I think pronger should stay, I might be alone on that one though.

Its not even worth it unless we can join the tank for tavares
No chance they get that low. Islanders have a huge head start. I doubt they can "pass" the Thrashers, Lightning, or Leafs either.

Nah, I hate "tanking." Kids have to learn to win, and tanking can lead you to the Clippers. However I am all for selling UFAs for picks and prospects. It can really help speed up a rebuild. The only problem is that selling typically gets you mid-level guys, and the Ducks have a lot of mid-level guys. We just don't have top prospects.

I wonder if Murray has given Scotty a deadline to make up his mind about next season, if he can't decide whether he will retire before the deadline, he should be traded.

If this game doesn't cement it, this roadtrip will. Pronger and Niedermayer carry high value for cup contenders, they both need to go, as well as Marchant, Rob, Hedican, Morrison and maybe even Pahlsson, those guys should all bring back some picks except maybe Mo.

Its not even worth it unless we can join the tank for tavares

Not true at all, although this may be a little premature as you guys still have a chance at making the playoffs, but it's a good draft year and your positioning could be all the difference.

I think that if your management recognizes when the time to sell is that is the key to your future success. You have to realize that it isn't going to make a heap of s**t if you make the playoffs year in and year out at a 6-7-8 seed, you'd be better off selling your older players and start the rebuild from there.

It seems like I'm on an island here, but I still think Pronger's contract status hurts his value. Not in general, but in terms of having bidding from buyers.

There's very few teams who can take on his salary for next season. Thus no bidding war. Even the few with some space may require us to take ***** salary back.


Oh, and this year's draft is supposed to be quite strong, up to like 10 deep. So if they secure one of those top 10 picks there may be quite a prospect waiting at the end of the rainbow. The team is currently tied for the 10th worst point%.

It seems like I'm on an island here, but I still think Pronger's contract status hurts his value. Not in general, but in terms of having bidding from buyers.

There's very few teams who can take on his salary for next season. Thus no bidding war. Even the few with some space may require us to take ***** salary back.


Oh, and this year's draft is supposed to be quite strong, up to like 10 deep. So if they secure one of those top 10 picks there may be quite a prospect waiting at the end of the rainbow.
I think to teams serious for a cup it doesn't, and if it does, we can simply keep him, He only goes for an overpay. Niedermayer should go to the highest bidder, no questions asked

I think to teams serious for a cup it doesn't, and if it does, we can simply keep him, He only goes for an overpay. Niedermayer should go to the highest bidder, no questions asked
2 caveats for Niedermayer. You keep him if he can commit to re-signing. You also keep him if he commits to retiring, unless he wants to chase another Cup. If he's retiring, you don't want to uproot him. A hall-of-fame guy who brought us a Cup deserves that amount of respect.

But if he's just "well I might retire" again, send his ass on the next plane out.

We should sell everyone including the coach and GM. Our owner is going to jail. There is no reason for me to renew my season tickets for next year.

I agree, pronger shouldn't go if the team is not willing to grossly overpay.

2 caveats for Niedermayer. You keep him if he can commit to re-signing. You also keep him if he commits to retiring, unless he wants to chase another Cup. If he's retiring, you don't want to uproot him. A hall-of-fame guy who brought us a Cup deserves that amount of respect.

But if he's just "well I might retire" again, send his ass on the next plane out.
If he's retiring the front office is well within their means to trade him, why waste an asset like him for nothing.

I think our loyalty to him should be minimal after what he did last year

I wonder if Murray has given Scotty a deadline to make up his mind about next season, if he can't decide whether he will retire before the deadline, he should be traded.

You can answer that yourself when you ask yourself this question: Has he done anything yet to help our team? No, he has not.

It'd be smart to approach him and ask him, but I'm sure he hasn't.

it's pretty obvious that this team is going nowhere.

Yeah, I agree unfortunately. Time for a sell and a quick re-build. Sadly, the rookies won't get a taste of the playoffs this year. Also, ideally I'd like to keep Pronger. As well, I have no trust in Murray. I feel like he is going to do something stupid.

If he's retiring, you don't want to uproot him. A hall-of-fame guy who brought us a Cup deserves that amount of respect.

No way. His first semi-retirement did this franchise enough damage. There is no way you allow that to happen again by keeping a highly valuable asset just so he can retire in a Ducks sweater. He is the most marketable asset they have by far and you want them to just sit on it to do him a favor. Crazy.

No way. His first semi-retirement did this franchise enough damage. There is no way you allow that to happen again by keeping a highly valuable asset just so he can retire in a Ducks sweater. He is the most marketable asset they have by far and you want them to just sit on it to do him a favor. Crazy.
I think we got enough of doing favors for players during the Burke era.

As well, I have no trust in Murray. I feel like he is going to do something stupid.

I kinda agree, I just don't have much trust in Murray so far.

I mean it's not like he's Gauthier or Tavares or anything but so far he hasn't shown any vision for this team.

When Burke came here he had a clear plan and he has a clear plan in Toronto. Murray is more of a meh guy, you know "we'll see what happens etc"

Time to sell for sure...the Atlanta game took me ever so close...this game was the final nail in the coffin.

Lets retool and get some good assets in the system.

Bye bye Scottie.

2 caveats for Niedermayer. You keep him if he can commit to re-signing. You also keep him if he commits to retiring, unless he wants to chase another Cup. If he's retiring, you don't want to uproot him. A hall-of-fame guy who brought us a Cup deserves that amount of respect.

But if he's just "well I might retire" again, send his ass on the next plane out.

In my opinion he has no say in whether we trade him because he is one of the main reasons why this team is in the *******. Personally, i'd trade him and rob because both there values on the trade market are worth more then what they are giving us this season. If we could get a Kaberle for them I would pull the trigger because he could give us help for years to come and Scott won't.

Serious question. Do you guys think a coaching change might be a better option right now rather than selling? Or at least making a coaching change to see what happens before thinking they should sell? Or do you think with so many players destined to become free agents this summer that selling what you can is a better idea?

The Ducks have been inconsistent since the beginning of the season with the same issues coming up over and over like discipline, inconsistent efforts from period to period, slow starts etc.

I was at the game tonight. Both teams played uninspired for the most part, both teams took bad penalties but watching the Ducks didn't exactly give me the feeling they were upset about their spots in the standings and were going to do what they could to get back in a playoff spot. After two days of hard practices that the Ducks were put through after the Atlanta game, I'm sure the Kings were angry about their effort against Atlanta as well, the 1st period shouldn't have been anywhere close to as boring as it was for both teams.

Is it too late to fire Carlyle? A perfect spot would have been after the Atlanta game because it would have given them a few days practice with the new coach, a rivalry game which should have had them fired up, then a road trip to try and salvage the season. If you wait a couple of more games that gets you too close to the deadline to try and salvage anything.

Well I know most of the players hate Carlyle, this team just doesn't care and Scott Niedermayers comments reflect this, it's like no big deal to these guys

I was leaning towards this sentiment before the Atlanta game, but after that debacle and the Kings game last night, I think it's definitely time to blow it up. I'm particularly disgusted with Pronger. He reminds me so much of Garrett Anderson: tons of talent, no heart. :shakehead

In my mind, these are the untouchables:

Getzlaf
Perry
Ryan
Ebbet
Pahlsson
Hiller

Everyone else is fair game at this point.

If he's retiring the front office is well within their means to trade him, why waste an asset like him for nothing.

I think our loyalty to him should be minimal after what he did last year
No way. His first semi-retirement did this franchise enough damage. There is no way you allow that to happen again by keeping a highly valuable asset just so he can retire in a Ducks sweater. He is the most marketable asset they have by far and you want them to just sit on it to do him a favor. Crazy.
In my opinion he has no say in whether we trade him because he is one of the main reasons why this team is in the *******. Personally, i'd trade him and rob because both there values on the trade market are worth more then what they are giving us this season. If we could get a Kaberle for them I would pull the trigger because he could give us help for years to come and Scott won't.
Hmm. Sounds like I'm alone in this one. Now I'm the first to say that Niedermayer gets way less slack from me because of his 2 million dollar staycation. That's why in another earlier thread, I said he gets offered 4-5 million to stay (a 2 mill discount). He sure as hell doesn't get any more thinking time either.

But I'd still offer him the slightest respect in allowing him to choose if he accepts a trade only if he's sure he's going to retire. That's not that much of a concession to me. He doesn't even get to choose the team, just "deal or no deal. As I said before, if he's not sure I'll drive him to the airport myself.

Several weeks ago there were rumors on the Penguins Board that they were interested in Pronger. The members indicated that they felt he could lead them to the cup. Well, at this point they are in the same shape as we are (out of the playoff hunt). The members were offering up JVR the #2 overall pick a few years ago as well as a pick and another prospect. JVR, I understand, is burning up the AHL. If their rumors are true, then let's hope they start winning and a trade can be worked out.

JVR is Flyers' prospect, not Pens'.

Well I know most of the players hate Carlyle, this team just doesn't care and Scott Niedermayers comments reflect this, it's like no big deal to these guys

You don't know that.

I was leaning towards this sentiment before the Atlanta game, but after that debacle and the Kings game last night, I think it's definitely time to blow it up. I'm particularly disgusted with Pronger. He reminds me so much of Garrett Anderson: tons of talent, no heart. :shakehead

In my mind, these are the untouchables:

Getzlaf
Perry
Ryan
Ebbet
Pahlsson
Hiller

Everyone else is fair game at this point.

Ebbett, Pahlsson, and Hiller are untouchables?

Several weeks ago there were rumors on the Penguins Board that they were interested in Pronger. The members indicated that they felt he could lead them to the cup. Well, at this point they are in the same shape as we are (out of the playoff hunt). The members were offering up JVR the #2 overall pick a few years ago as well as a pick and another prospect. JVR, I understand, is burning up the AHL. If their rumors are true, then let's hope they start winning and a trade can be worked out.

Wrong team.

Ebbett is not untouchable. I don't think we would trade him cause we would get dirt in return for him and he has more upside playing here then anything we would get in return for him.
Personally I would like to see any of these players go NOW...
-Rob Niedermayer
-Brendan Morrison
-Todd Marchant
-Scott Niedermayer (only if we got a young stud D-man in return)
-Chris Kunitz
-Chris Pronger (if we can get a Kaberle type player in return)

But I'd still offer him the slightest respect in allowing him to choose if he accepts a trade only if he's sure he's going to retire.

If he's sure he's going to retire, there's no reason to keep him. Out of respect....? How does that help?

Ebbett is not untouchable. I don't think we would trade him cause we would get dirt in return for him and he has more upside playing here then anything we would get in return for him.
Personally I would like to see any of these players go NOW...
-Rob Niedermayer
-Brendan Morrison
-Todd Marchant
-Scott Niedermayer (only if we got a young stud D-man in return)
-Chris Kunitz
-Chris Pronger (if we can get a Kaberle type player in return)

- Ebett has a better chance playing next year on another team if we continue use a checking line.
- Scott Niedermayer won't land a stud D-man.
- Chris pronger won't land a Kaberle type players.

All the rest are fine.

If he's sure he's going to retire, there's no reason to keep him. Out of respect....? How does that help?

Look up the word respect.

Scott Niedermayer is a player, not an asset.

I would also suggest taking a class on humanism.

What about pronger for boumeester(sp?) and a conditional depending if he resigns with us? Florida is in 7th now and could certainly use him this year and next for a playoff run.

What about pronger for boumeester(sp?) and a conditional depending if he resigns with us? Florida is in 7th now and could certainly use him this year and next for a playoff run.

Why would we trade Pronger for a rental?

Look up the word respect.

Scott Niedermayer is a player, not an asset.

I would also suggest taking a class on humanism.

You pay me 6 million dollars a year and I'll let you move me for 3 months at the end of the season every year. These guys are very well compensated. It's hardly up-rooting a guy beyond his means.

getz,perry,selanne,pahlsson,parros,ryan,jiggy,hill er = for me untouchables

Look up the word respect.

Scott Niedermayer is a player, not an asset.

I would also suggest taking a class on humanism.

Look up the concepts of common sense and professional athletes.

The guy gets paid over 6M per year, forgive me if I'm not shedding tears if he has to spend 3 months in some other city.

Jesus.

You pay me 6 million dollars a year and I'll let you move me for 3 months at the end of the season every year. These guys are very well compensated. It's hardly up-rooting a guy beyond his means.

Scott Niedermayer changed this franchise around... you don't trade him unless he wants to be moved.

Look up the concepts of common sense and professional athletes.

The guy gets paid over 6M per year, forgive me if I'm not shedding tears if he has to spend 3 months in some other city.

Jesus.

Common sense to trade the guy who changed your franchise around? It's not him spending 3 months in another city, it's his family. If he wants to take a run at the cup, trade him... if not, let him be.

Scott Niedermayer changed this franchise around... you don't trade him unless he wants to be moved.

You're thinking with your heart and not your head. He is too valuable not to trade at this point. Letting him give a list of teams he would like to play for would be sufficient appreciation to show him. I promise you if he's traded to the team that wins the Cup, he'll have a huge smile on his face when he raises it above his head. And if the right trade is made, you'll be focusing on the new players and will get over his departure too.

P Player Born Ht Wt L/R Ctrct
G Jean-Sebastien Giguere 1977-05-16 185 90 L 10/11 -Stay
G Jonas Hiller 1982-02-12 188 82 R 09/10 -Stay

D Francois Beauchemin 1980-06-04 183 96 L 08/09 -Extend
D Sheldon Brookbank 1980-10-03 188 98 R 09/10 -
D Brett Festerling 1986-03-03 185 91 L 08/09 -Extend
D Bret Hedican 1970-08-10 188 96 L 08/09 -Trade
D Kent Huskins 1979-05-04 188 97 L 08/09 -Extend
D Brendan Mikkelson 1987-06-22 189 87 L 09/10 -
D Steve Montador 1979-12-21 183 95 R 08/09 -Trade
D Scott Niedermayer 1973-08-31 185 91 L 08/09 -Trade
D Chris Pronger 1974-10-10 198 97 L 09/10 -Trade

F Mike Brown 1985-06-24 183 95 R
F Ryan Carter 1983-08-03 185 91 L 10/11
F Andrew Ebbett 1983-01-02 175 78 L 09/10
F Ryan Getzlaf 1985-10-05 193 96 L 12/13
F Chris Kunitz 1979-09-23 183 90 L 11/12
F Todd Marchant 1973-08-12 178 82 L 08/09 -Trade
F Travis Moen 1982-04-06 188 98 L 08/09 -Extend
F Brendan Morrison 1975-08-15 180 84 L 08/09 -Waive
F Rob Niedermayer 1974-12-28 188 91 L 08/09 -Trade
F George Parros 1979-12-29 195 105 R 11/12
F Corey Perry 1985-05-16 190 91 L 12/13
F Samuel Påhlsson 1977-12-17 183 96 L 08/09 -Extend
F Bobby Ryan 1987-03-17 188 94 R 09/10
F Teemu Selänne 1970-07-03 183 91 R 09/10

Scott Niedermayer changed this franchise around... you don't trade him unless he wants to be moved.



Common sense to trade the guy who changed your franchise around? It's not him spending 3 months in another city, it's his family. If he wants to take a run at the cup, trade him... if not, let him be.
Niedermayer did his job, along with about 30 other guys. They didn't do you or me a favor in doing that.

You want to talk about guys who changed the franchise around, talk to Bryan Murray or Brian Burke.

Niedermayer can skip seeing his family for a few months if it helps the Ducks. Humanism, lol. He's an image on a screen.

Common sense to trade the guy who changed your franchise around? It's not him spending 3 months in another city, it's his family. If he wants to take a run at the cup, trade him... if not, let him be.

The guy also spent 3 months of the season last year beating off and help put the Ducks in the situation they are now. I'm not trying to pile on here but if I were a Ducks fan, I'd want him traded for as much return as possible.

You think he gives two pisses about the Ducks? He is a pro athlete, don't be naive. And if he is such a professional and competitor, he'd want a trade so he can try and win again. Otherwise, why in the hell is he even playing?

You're thinking with your heart and not your head. He is too valuable not to trade at this point. Letting him give a list of teams he would like to play for would be sufficient appreciation to show him. I promise you if he's traded to the team that wins the Cup, he'll have a huge smile on his face when he raises it above his head. And if the right trade is made, you'll be focusing on the new players and will get over his departure too.

(Thinks with head) -- Trade Niedermayer and he signs elsewhere next year. Keep him, and we have a #1 defenseman next year.

The guy also spent 3 months of the season last year beating off and help put the Ducks in the situation they are now. I'm not trying to pile on here but if I were a Ducks fan, I'd want him traded for as much return as possible.

You think he gives two pisses about the Ducks? He is a pro athlete, don't be naive. And if he is such a professional and competitor, he'd want a trade so he can try and win again. Otherwise, why in the hell is he even playing?

Your a ****ing moron. You were not in his shoes. It's hard to give up a sport. It's hard to give up what you have done your entire life. Burke gave him time to decide. If Burke forced him, he probabally would have retired. The Ducks had a great team last season, on paper at least. We should have gone far, but we didn't. Your going to blame Scott because he took his time deciding on what to do, and remember this time was granted to him by Burke. He loves to play, and he loves to win. The Ducks won't make the playoffs this year, but there is always next year. He will be back!

Lets think: Should we trade our top 2 defenseman so we are left with Beauchemin next year? No! Absolutely not. You keep one, at least one. I want the Ducks to win, not gain prospects. If we trade both Niedermayer and Pronger, give up on next season.

**** **** ****! Some people are so ****ing stupid!

Hmm. Sounds like I'm alone in this one. Now I'm the first to say that Niedermayer gets way less slack from me because of his 2 million dollar staycation. That's why in another earlier thread, I said he gets offered 4-5 million to stay (a 2 mill discount). He sure as hell doesn't get any more thinking time either.

But I'd still offer him the slightest respect in allowing him to choose if he accepts a trade only if he's sure he's going to retire. That's not that much of a concession to me. He doesn't even get to choose the team, just "deal or no deal. As I said before, if he's not sure I'll drive him to the airport myself.
The only way I'd go your route is if he signed a contract extension, he has to much trade value to risk him leaving for nothing or retiring

You don't know that.
Yes, I do know that.

Yes, I do know that.

And how do you know that? Cuz Carlye works them hard, or cuz they aren't playing hard? Please explain.

The only way I'd go your route is if he signed a contract extension, he has to much trade value to risk him leaving for nothing or retiring

He is a player, not an asset. Go hang out with the Yankees if you want to treat your players like assets.

The guy also spent 3 months of the season last year beating off and help put the Ducks in the situation they are now. I'm not trying to pile on here but if I were a Ducks fan, I'd want him traded for as much return as possible.

You think he gives two pisses about the Ducks? He is a pro athlete, don't be naive. And if he is such a professional and competitor, he'd want a trade so he can try and win again. Otherwise, why in the hell is he even playing?

Might I add, if the Ducks would had won the cup last year you would be kissing Niedermayer's ass for taking his time.

And how do you know that? Cuz Carlye works them hard, or cuz they aren't playing hard? Please explain.
The players no longer buy into what he sells, the veterans hate him because of how demanding he is, Bobby Ryan hates him for jerking around with him. The vets that bought in two years ago, do not anymore and it's not hard to figure out who they are.

Might I add, if the Ducks would had won the cup last year you would be kissing Niedermayer's ass for taking his time.

That's the lamest argument I've heard yet. They didn't win the cup, so I guess we're not willing to kiss his ass. Go figure.

He is a player, not an asset. Go hang out with the Yankees if you want to treat your players like assets.
He does not deserve any special conditions

(Thinks with head) -- Trade Niedermayer and he signs elsewhere next year. Keep him, and we have a #1 defenseman next year.

If you can sign him before the deadline, then that's one route you can certainly go. Doesn't seem like that is going to happen, however. It's almost like you are willing to let your team flounder in the future based on some sort of notion of loyalty that only exists in your head.

When the Kings traded Norstrom, their captain, a couple of years ago, he didn't want to leave and Kings fans were saddened to see their warrior go. But in return for him they got a draft pick that turned into Oscar Moller, another pick that was used to trade up for Colten Teubert and two other picks that may turn into promising players down the road. No Kings fan in their right mind regrets that trade now. You'd get far more for Neidermayer if you play your cards right.

If he's sure he's going to retire, there's no reason to keep him. Out of respect....? How does that help?
The only way I'd go your route is if he signed a contract extension, he has to much trade value to risk him leaving for nothing or retiring
In a few cases, I don't care about "losing assets." I just think that if he's retiring is one of the cases where it's OK. (But in general I am pretty conscious about it, like when I argued they should have moved Schneider or Bryzgalov at the drafts)

If you really wanted a rational reason behind it, well it is player-friendly to do so. Meaning it could help some with getting guys to want to be here. Of course you can only do that to a point, and to a few guys who deserve it. Waiving Bryzgalov just to help out a backup goaltender is kind of lame. I guess people just don't see Niedermayer as "deserving it," and I can't argue that too much. In fact he doesn't deserve that much in my eyes, but I just feel I'm not giving him much.

One other possible reason. If he's sure he's going to retire, then other teams will probably also know. It may make them less willing to actually give up much. A lot of time they trade with at least the possibility of the guy returning. Although sometimes it doesn't matter (Bourque got a pretty penny, and he was originally planning on stepping down the season of the trade).


And it seems to me like the team has been pretty high on respect before. I think that's from both Burke and Samueli. One could easily argue they have too much respect. But it's been the modus operandi and I suspect it'll hold true for Niedermayer now.

The players no longer buy into what he sells, the veterans hate him because of how demanding he is, Bobby Ryan hates him for jerking around with him. The vets that bought in two years ago, do not anymore and it's not hard to figure out who they are.

Once again your assuming... no evidence, none at all. One suggestion, don't become a lawyer.

He does not deserve any special conditions

I guess Murray and I are alone on this. Go figure! He won't be traded unless he wants to be.

Your a ****ing moron. **** **** ****! Some people are so ****ing stupid!Look at all them holes in your pretty glass house.

Look at all them holes in your pretty glass house.

ROFL.

Well aren't you guys just adorable.

In a few cases, I don't care about "losing assets." I just think that if he's retiring is one of the cases where it's OK.

And it seems to me like the team has been pretty high on respect before. I think that's from both Burke and Samueli. One could easily argue they have too much respect. But it's been the modus operandi and I suspect it'll hold true for Niedermayer now.

Its not like we're talking about Steve Yzerman here who gave his heart and soul to the same franchise for 2 decades.

Niedermayer is a great player and all but for four seasons, a cup (team achievement), and a semi-retirement F-U he really hasn't earned any more respect than any other player in my book.

Your a ****ing moron.


I don't disagree but I will point out that your sentence is grammatically incorrect.


You were not in his shoes. It's hard to give up a sport. It's hard to give up what you have done your entire life. Burke gave him time to decide. If Burke forced him, he probabally would have retired.


Thanks for the life lesson. I assume you've experienced something similar at this point in your life?

Burke did him a favor when he didn't owe him anything. Scott milked every ounce of it. Burke's fault? Sure, but now you expect the team to treat him like a little primadonna? Give me a break.


The Ducks had a great team last season, on paper at least. We should have gone far, but we didn't. Your going to blame Scott because he took his time deciding on what to do, and remember this time was granted to him by Burke. He loves to play, and he loves to win. The Ducks won't make the playoffs this year, but there is always next year. He will be back!


Yeah the Ducks did have a great team on paper and who knows what might've been if Scott wasn't busy beating off for the first three months of the season. That is the way I'd look at it.

Lets think: Should we trade our top 2 defenseman so we are left with Beauchemin next year? No! Absolutely not. You keep one, at least one. I want the Ducks to win, not gain prospects. If we trade both Niedermayer and Pronger, give up on next season.


Then you keep Pronger since he is signed. Scott will fetch a windfall and even if he does sign next year, what makes you think the team is going to perform any better than they did this year? Sure a new coach might help but getting a stockpile of assets a la Forsberg from Philly to Nashville would be a great jumpstart to a rebuild. Take your Scott Neidermeyer money and throw it at Bouwmeister in the summer (just an example). Then you dump off Pronger next year and you guys will be well on your way to being a great team again.


**** **** ****! Some people are so ****ing stupid!

Do you have the ability to not use insults when discussing something? Every single time I've ever quoted one of your post it ends in a tirade of terrible insults and swear words (by terrible I mean not funny but not really insulting either). Either get some comic sensibility or maybe have a more humble approach to your ramblings.

He is a player, not an asset. Go hang out with the Yankees if you want to treat your players like assets.

He is an asset. Scott realizes this and just about every pro athlete does. Unfortunately, you think of them as little puppies.

Might I add, if the Ducks would had won the cup last year you would be kissing Niedermayer's ass for taking his time.

Probably not.. for obvious reasons. As pointed out, that logic is flawed because the Ducks didn't win the Cup and one could argue that Scott's actions were a detriment to the team.

About trading Pronger...
I say we wait til the Draft IF we are going to move him. I think his value would be higher at the draft because we can get more for him by being able to move up and down in the draft as well as be able to take on more contracts or be able to trade Pronger to more teams because nearly every team will have more cap room and the Ducks would be able to create more of a market for him. Also, if we wait til the draft we will know if Scott and beauchemin will be back because that changes everything. If you think we are bad now, if we get rid of Pronger, Niedermayer retires and we don't resign Beauchemin for whatever reason we have a team that would go from the top 5 D in the league to the bottom 5 in one month.

What do you guys think of this trade?

to LA: Ericnut, 6th 2010

to Ana: drivelikejoewho

hmm...still feels pretty slanted towards Ana.

thoughts?

Once again your assuming... no evidence, none at all. One suggestion, don't become a lawyer.



I guess Murray and I are alone on this. Go figure! He won't be traded unless he wants to be.
I'm not assuming at all.

I'm not assuming at all.

Then why don't you provide evidence. How about a quote... it can't be that hard if you are correct. Oh wait, you have no idea!

What do you guys think of this trade?

to LA: Ericnut, 6th 2010

to Ana: drivelikejoewho

hmm...still feels pretty slanted towards Ana.

thoughts?

**** that. Send eric to the KHL.

One other possible reason. If he's sure he's going to retire, then other teams will probably also know. It may make them less willing to actually give up much. A lot of time they trade with at least the possibility of the guy returning. Although sometimes it doesn't matter (Bourque got a pretty penny, and he was originally planning on stepping down the season of the trade).

That's not a reason, it's a rationalization for doing something that's unjustified. He hasn't been consistently good this season, and for a long time he wasn't even sure he wanted to be here. In fact he hasn't been a top player since about midway through the 06-07 season. If we get even a single pick from him, then hooray for us.

And it seems to me like the team has been pretty high on respect before. I think that's from both Burke and Samueli. One could easily argue they have too much respect. But it's been the modus operandi and I suspect it'll hold true for Niedermayer now.

Samueli has no contact with the team in theory. Burke was the one handing out favors left and right and yes - too often. Murray may or may not have the same mindset, but to me he seems much more boring and mainstream. I agree with you that Niedermayer doesn't have much chance of moving this season, but I think it's more because of Murray's indecisiveness and/or hope of keeping a semblance of this group together for another shot rather than some tenebrous concept that only sounds good in bars and internet message boards. Respeck, man.

Its not like we're talking about Steve Yzerman here who gave his heart and soul to the same franchise for 2 decades.

Niedermayer is a great player and all but for four seasons, a cup (team achievement), and a semi-retirement F-U he really hasn't earned any more respect than any other player in my book.
Well I think Niedermayer was a big part of the Cup. He stepped up big when Pronger was out. He scored a few huge goals. And his actions after the Alfie fiasco seemed key. But yeah, he's no Yzerman. I'm not going to change my mind, but I can certainly see where you're coming from.
That's not a reason, it's a rationalization for doing something that's unjustified. He hasn't been consistently good this season, and for a long time he wasn't even sure he wanted to be here. In fact he hasn't been a top player since about midway through the 06-07 season. If we get even a single pick from him, then hooray for us.
Well it's not a reason to keep him so much as a reason why trading him might not have a whole lot of benefit. But yeah, his on again-off again play probably has eroded plenty of value in of itself.


Samueli has no contact with the team in theory. Burke was the one handing out favors left and right and yes - too often. Murray may or may not have the same mindset, but to me he seems much more boring and mainstream. I agree with you that Niedermayer doesn't have much chance of moving this season, but I think it's more because of Murray's indecisiveness and/or hope of keeping a semblance of this group together for another shot rather than some tenebrous concept that only sounds good in bars and internet message boards. Respeck, man.
Well Samueli is theoretically hands off of the team, but I think it's safe to say he was a big part of the respect thing originally. There's lots of stories that he's just like that. Burke says it all the time. He gave Cup rings to everyone (even Ponda staff not directly associated with the team). He's given the go-ahead to exceed the budget by large sums to placate team staples like Niedermayer and Selanne. He's one of the largest donors to various charities in Southern California.

Samueli's set the organization's compass. I'm sure he's filled the staff with like-minded people and enabled them (Burke). So I think Murray will probably try to act similarly.


But yeah, Murray does seem kind of like an indecisive type so far. Just from what he's done and what few things he's said. So maybe that'll also play a part.

Trade Scott.

Start shopping him now to get the bidding high by deadline day.

Bidding starts at:

1st rd pick + good prospect + young AHL/NHL player

Keep the forward core together:

Getzlaf, Perry, Bobby, Kunitz, Ebbett, Carter

Listen to offers for anyone else.

The rebuilding starts with the package of picks/prospects that Scott will bring in.

The players no longer buy into what he sells, the veterans hate him because of how demanding he is, Bobby Ryan hates him for jerking around with him. The vets that bought in two years ago, do not anymore and it's not hard to figure out who they are.

Continuing to play a useless Morisson as 4th line center over a young hard working gritty Ryan Carter is the latest of many reasons to fire Carlyle.

Meh.

do you think Mitera will be ready to play in the NHL next year? I wonder what he can bring to the table..

do you think Mitera will be ready to play in the NHL next year? I wonder what he can bring to the table..
I hope he brings a pizza to my table.

I refuse to acknowledge this fear mongering thread until after this road trip

I refuse to acknowledge this fear mongering thread until after this road trip

Ducks have to win about 17 of their last 23 to make the playoffs. It doesn't seem very realistic. I don't have any faith in the Ducks going on a win streak starting tomorrow.

Ducks have to win about 17 of their last 23 to make the playoffs. It doesn't seem very realistic. I don't have any faith in the Ducks going on a win streak starting tomorrow.


Well Pahlsson being out hurts but they did have that Canadian sweep earlier in the year so anythings possible. I think winning 2 out of every 3 games gets them in.
Regardless we all can agree this road trip will define the season they need to go 4-2 at least

Continuing to play a useless Morisson as 4th line center over a young hard working gritty Ryan Carter is the latest of many reasons to fire Carlyle.

we could get a coach again that plays a 4th line of all Drew Miller types again, id rather keep Carlyle, although Dineen seems like he could be a good hard nosed coach

About trading Pronger...
I say we wait til the Draft IF we are going to move him. I think his value would be higher at the draft because we can get more for him by being able to move up and down in the draft as well as be able to take on more contracts or be able to trade Pronger to more teams because nearly every team will have more cap room and the Ducks would be able to create more of a market for him. Also, if we wait til the draft we will know if Scott and beauchemin will be back because that changes everything. If you think we are bad now, if we get rid of Pronger, Niedermayer retires and we don't resign Beauchemin for whatever reason we have a team that would go from the top 5 D in the league to the bottom 5 in one month.
Yeah I agree. I think if they wanted to move Pronger, the best time to get maximum assets would be either at the draft (before upcoming cap space is taken by FAs) or trade deadline 2010. I still think his contract for next year hurts us with most buyers.

Also that's a good point about knowing more then about the situation with the D.

But if there's a team who has the cap space and tagging room for Pronger, they might pay more now to get 2 playoff runs out of him instead of 1.

Yeah I agree. I think if they wanted to move Pronger, the best time to get maximum assets would be either at the draft (before upcoming cap space is taken by FAs) or trade deadline 2010. I still think his contract for next year hurts us with most buyers.

Also that's a good point about knowing more then about the situation with the D.

But if there's a team who has the cap space and tagging room for Pronger, they might pay more now to get 2 playoff runs out of him instead of 1.

Eh, I think teams are a lot more desperate and prone to overpaying at the deadline than they are at the draft. Teams may balk at the price at the draft table since they have all of FA to comb over a bunch of other guys that wont cost any assets.

That, and I dont think Pronger's contract hurts his value. Look at what other dmen are pulling in now (Rafalski at 6 million, Finger, ect) relative to their talent. Pronger is set at a reasonable price, and given the recent failures of high priced rentals (Hossa,ect) I think him being signed for next year as well will be looked at favorably.

What teams are essentially too tight against the cap to take on prongers contract without having to send us much back? I feel like one reason to deal pronger is to dump some of his salary. I guess I just want some potential and legitemate destinations for 25.

Unless the Ducks can win 5 of the next 6 then they're pretty much done and it's time to sell.

The only guys who should be off limits are Jiggy, Hiller, Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, Selanne and possibly Kunitz. As far as Niedermayers concerned, if he indicates he wants to stay and play next year or retire here at the end of the season keep him, if not then trade him.

Ericnut, you're about the last person on these boards to call anyone a moron.

Your posts in this thread is the reason why you're considered a joke among HF Ducks fans.

Ericnut, you're about the last person on these boards to call anyone a moron.

Your posts in this thread is the reason why you're considered a joke among HF Ducks fans.

Murray has an agreement with Niedermayer that he will not be traded unless he asks. You think thats stupid, I don't. At the same time, I don't think it would be wise to trade both Pronger and Niedermayer assuming Niedermayer plays one more year.

So who's the joke? Trading your top 2 defenseman and losing respect around the league or keeping Niedermayer for next season. Sounds like your the joke.

What teams are essentially too tight against the cap to take on prongers contract without having to send us much back? I feel like one reason to deal pronger is to dump some of his salary. I guess I just want some potential and legitemate destinations for 25.
-- Boston [more so because they have issues for 2009-10 with restricted free agents]
-- Calgary [they might be able to wiggle it if the Ducks take back a little salary ... but do you want to deal Pronger to an in-conference rival?]
-- Chicago
-- Detroit
-- Montreal [see Calgary, except he'd be in the other conference; however, they've already got Schneider and would probably look to get Lecavalier first]
-- NY Rangers [could make it work, though - they can bury anyone in the minors if need be]
-- Philadelphia [they're pinched with Briere coming off LTIR soon]
-- Pittsburgh [it would kill their cap space for '09-10]
-- San Jose
-- Washington

Of course the question is how much salary the Ducks are willing to take back; the less you want in return, the harder it is to move him.

Ericnut, you're about the last person on these boards to call anyone a moron.

Your posts in this thread is the reason why you're considered a joke among HF Ducks fans.

I hope you didn't really expect to get through to him with this statement.

-- Boston [more so because they have issues for 2009-10 with restricted free agents]
-- Calgary [they might be able to wiggle it if the Ducks take back a little salary ... but do you want to deal Pronger to an in-conference rival?]
-- Chicago
-- Detroit
-- Montreal [see Calgary, except he'd be in the other conference; however, they've already got Schneider and would probably look to get Lecavalier first]
-- NY Rangers [could make it work, though - they can bury anyone in the minors if need be]
-- Philadelphia [they're pinched with Briere coming off LTIR soon]
-- Pittsburgh [it would kill their cap space for '09-10]
-- San Jose
-- Washington

Of course the question is how much salary the Ducks are willing to take back; the less you want in return, the harder it is to move him.

Well, how many of these teams have guys with fairly large expiring contracts? I don't think it would be a problem to deal a guy like Pronger and take back about 3 million in capspace, if the guys coming back are UFA's to be.

I hope you didn't really expect to get through to him with this statement.

"Scott Niedermayer, we're told, has an understanding with Anaheim ownership that he will not be traded unless he requests to be moved, which, at this point, is most unlikely." - NY Post

I'll stick with the ownership on this one.

"Scott Niedermayer, we're told, has an understanding with Anaheim ownership that he will not be traded unless he requests to be moved, which, at this point, is most unlikely." - NY Post

I'll stick with the ownership on this one.

I think that deal was made with Burke and I don't think it has much value with Murray. I don't believe they will trade him or Pronger but if a great deal for scott came I pull the trigger!

I think that deal was made with Burke and I don't think it has much value with Murray. I don't believe they will trade him or Pronger but if a great deal for scott came I pull the trigger!

Ownership

The Samueli's have been fantastic owners for the franchise and all but i'd hate for them to start messing with the GM's ability to do his job.

I know ESPN sucks, but Randy Carlyle confirms that This Road trip will determine whether we are sellers or buyers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3921046&name=lebrun_pierre

The Samueli's have been fantastic owners for the franchise and all but i'd hate for them to start messing with the GM's ability to do his job.

The Samuelis have nothing to do with this club (by order of the NHL). Michael Schulman has run the team since June and replaced Hank on the NHL Board of Governors.

As for Murray's plans:

"I'm sick and tired of that question, and I want to be perfectly clear about that," Murray said. "When a team struggles, everyone goes after the coach. I think it's (ridiculous). We've had three pretty good years with him as coach, and he didn't become a bad coach overnight.

"If the players are waiting for him to be gone, a whole bunch of them will be gone before he is."


Yet while Murray has now put the onus squarely on the players, the odds of a major roster shakeup before the deadline are slim. He says he'll listen to any offer that can improve the club, but it's hard to imagine anything beyond, say, a package including the rights to potential No. 1 pick John Tavares representing anything close to equal value for Scott Niedermayer or Chris Pronger.

Read the Rest (http://www.pe.com/sports/hockey/ducks/stories/PE_Sports_Local_W_ja_col_19.487f86d.html) - If reliable, a good indication of what is floating around in Murray's head - basically nothing ;)

"Scott Niedermayer, we're told, has an understanding with Anaheim ownership that he will not be traded unless he requests to be moved, which, at this point, is most unlikely." - NY Post

I'll stick with the ownership on this one.
LOL. Did you just quote Larry Brooks as an authoritative source for something? Anything?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152009/sports/rangers/blame_sather__renney_for_d_saster_155166.htm?page= 2

Ownership

Ah yes i forgot Henry does have a 10 minute phone call in cell #4655 after his lunch

The Samuelis have nothing to do with this club (by order of the NHL). Michael Schulman has run the team since June and replaced Hank on the NHL Board of Governors.

As for Murray's plans:






Read the Rest (http://www.pe.com/sports/hockey/ducks/stories/PE_Sports_Local_W_ja_col_19.487f86d.html) - If reliable, a good indication of what is floating around in Murray's head - basically nothing ;)

I highly doubt Niedermayer is blaming the coach. ;)

As for that article, he is purely speculating. Read it again.

LOL. Did you just quote Larry Brooks as an authoritative source for something? Anything?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152009/sports/rangers/blame_sather__renney_for_d_saster_155166.htm?page= 2

Sure did.

Ah yes i forgot Henry does have a 10 minute phone call in cell #4655 after his lunch

Henry is a free man.

What do you guys think of this trade?

to LA: Ericnut, 6th 2010

to Ana: drivelikejoewho

hmm...still feels pretty slanted towards Ana.

thoughts?

******* that, what would LA want with Ericnut? Put his ass on waivers!

-- Boston [more so because they have issues for 2009-10 with restricted free agents]
-- Calgary [they might be able to wiggle it if the Ducks take back a little salary ... but do you want to deal Pronger to an in-conference rival?]
-- Chicago
-- Detroit
-- Montreal [see Calgary, except he'd be in the other conference; however, they've already got Schneider and would probably look to get Lecavalier first]
-- NY Rangers [could make it work, though - they can bury anyone in the minors if need be]
-- Philadelphia [they're pinched with Briere coming off LTIR soon]
-- Pittsburgh [it would kill their cap space for '09-10]
-- San Jose
-- Washington

Of course the question is how much salary the Ducks are willing to take back; the less you want in return, the harder it is to move him.

So basically none of the cup contenders can take him. That mixed with the article about Murray means he probably won't be moved.

Michael Schulman has run the team since June and replaced Hank on the NHL Board of Governors.

And damn that one stung. I've been laid off before but you only get the chance to be on the Board of Governors once.

If there is one skill I hope Murray took from Burke, it's knowing when to keep his mouth shut and not tip his hand about a potential trade.

For all we know, all this Tavares lite return is nothing but posturing.

Eh, I think teams are a lot more desperate and prone to overpaying at the deadline than they are at the draft. Teams may balk at the price at the draft table since they have all of FA to comb over a bunch of other guys that wont cost any assets.

That, and I dont think Pronger's contract hurts his value. Look at what other dmen are pulling in now (Rafalski at 6 million, Finger, ect) relative to their talent. Pronger is set at a reasonable price, and given the recent failures of high priced rentals (Hossa,ect) I think him being signed for next year as well will be looked at favorably.
You're right, teams are more prone to overpaying at the deadline. But other than the deadline, draft time is the other best time to move guys with big salary. That's why I mentioned trade deadline 2010.

But as irishblues' post just pointed out, very few contenders can fit in Pronger's salary. This year is kind of tough, but doable. That's why Niedermayer could be moved for a nice package if we wanted to.

But it's next season that causes a lot of problems. Sure, Pronger's salary is good for his caliber of player, but it's still a huge amount of cap space. There's teams such as Boston and Pittsburgh where it really hurts them next season. And we all saw with Burke how hard it is to clear cap space in the offseason.

For all we know, all this Tavares lite return is nothing but posturing.

Of course it is.

I think NJ would be a good place to look to send Niedermeyer. They could probably fit him under the CAP. I'm not sure what they'd offer but they are known for making deadline deals and giving up their first rounder. And then the ericnut's of the world can have a warm heart as well. :sarcasm:

You're right, teams are more prone to overpaying at the deadline. But other than the deadline, draft time is the other best time to move guys with big salary. That's why I mentioned trade deadline 2010.

But as irishblues' post just pointed out, very few contenders can fit in Pronger's salary. This year is kind of tough, but doable. That's why Niedermayer could be moved for a nice package if we wanted to.

But it's next season that causes a lot of problems. Sure, Pronger's salary is good for his caliber of player, but it's still a huge amount of cap space. There's teams such as Boston and Pittsburgh where it really hurts them next season. And we all saw with Burke how hard it is to clear cap space in the offseason.

Pronger have more value than Niedermayer... alot more.

Ownership

You're a f u c k i n g imbecile. Want to claim ownership of that too? I really don't see why you're so proud of the things that come out of your mouth.

Ok seriously if Comrie and Campoli can bring back a first then I don't see how guys like Rob Niedermayer, Travis Moen, Todd Marchant and Bret Hedican can't bring back 2nd/3rd round picks

Pronger have more value than Niedermayer... alot more.
Yes he does. But that doesn't matter if no one can afford him and no one will bid for him.

As for that article, he is purely speculating. Read it again.


The author interviewed Murray.
Sorry "BC student" there are no Cliff Notes.
At least you're consistently full of crap.

Hey guys, over from the Oiler board here. I still can't piece together exactly why Pronger is the guy that's likely to be dealt? I keep hearing that it's almost a lock that if you guys are unloading (and watching the game tonight I think it's time) he is the guy to go? The only reason I can think of is because Scotty is going to come back next season, Giguere would be next to impossible to unload and Pronger would bring in 3 or 4 GREAT building blocks. Is that right or is there more to it?

I am not for trading Pronger at all. If we're going to trade one of our top two defensemen it would have to be Niedermayer. I shudder to think of our defense without Pronger or Niedermayer for the whole season. Pronger is the only one of the two who we can guarantee will be with the team next season. I say focus on replacing the vets on this team who aren't playing like they give a damn with the younger guys who play with the grit and hustle this team has been lacking lately.

I say focus on replacing the vets on this team who aren't playing like they give a damn with the younger guys who play with the grit and hustle this team has been lacking lately.Sadly, Scott Niedermayer currently heads that list.

As I said before, if he's not sure I'll drive him to the airport myself.

So you're driving him, right?

Truth be told, Niedermayer has not even come close to deciding whether he'll play another season, his agent, Kevin Epp of Titan Sports Management, told ESPN.com on Thursday

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3921046&name=lebrun_pierre

I'm frustrated. I feel that if we made a coaching change earlier in the season, we could be on our way to the playoffs right now, not the other way around.

Unfortunately, because no coaching changes have been made, we're forced to either hope for the best and probably end up with a first round exit, or become sellers of great players that would probably want to stay here, or we want to stay.

Who knows what's going on in Bob Murray's head, but it seems it's a whole lot of nothing.

So you're driving him, right?



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3921046&name=lebrun_pierre
Shippity ship the indecisive ****er off.

From now on I'm calling him "Decisivemayer."

I'm frustrated. I feel that if we made a coaching change earlier in the season, we could be on our way to the playoffs right now, not the other way around.

Unfortunately, because no coaching changes have been made, we're forced to either hope for the best and probably end up with a first round exit, or become sellers of great players that would probably want to stay here, or we want to stay.

Who knows what's going on in Bob Murray's head, but it seems it's a whole lot of nothing.
Well, in addition to Murray's unequivocal endorsement, Selanne sez:

It's certainly legitimate to ask if Carlyle has lost the room. But veteran Teemu Selanne said the players "absolutely" are still listening to the coach, adding, "I have 100 percent trust in Randy."

And yet, everyone here knows that it's all Randy's fault. The players think they're not executing, but what the hell do they know? If only Carter got more ice time sooner. Then Pronger and Niedermayer wouldn't suck so hard. Makes sense.

Here's something to think about pertaining to trade deadline and our selling.

If you'll notice in the NBA, their trade deadline just went by. Shaq, Amare Stoudemire, and Vince Carter were among the stars rumored to be moved. But none of them got moved.

This AP story (http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/la-sp-nbarep20-2009feb20,0,402476.story) (and Mark Cuban) attributes this partly to the economy. Owners may be unwilling to take on big salary.

How does this affect us, you ask? Well if the economy is making teams very financially-concerned in the NBA, which traditionally is a much freer spending and more healthy economically than the NHL, what does that mean to teams possibly looking at a Niedermayer or Pronger? It may be that much harder to move them, and giving us less in return than you may expect.


Of course then there's Comrie + Campoli for a 1st.

seriously I would not mind if anybody on this team got traded as long as it isn't Getzlaf and Ryan.

We're 4 points from being 15th....4 points.

Niedermayer should be traded unless he signs a contract extension before the deadline.

Pronger I am iffy about, if a team blows us away sure, if not he stays, we are under no pressure to move him.

The veteran role players..Moen, Rob, Hedican, Marchant, perhaps Pahlsson and Kunitz could/should all go, if a team offers us a good deal for Hiller i say take it. We'll have lots of capspace we have four great offensive forwards to build around for next year, we can be good again next year, but this year IS a lost cause and Murray hopefully will not have false hope and hold onto our vets.

I think we're making a move for Tavares, guys. Slowly, we're getting there.

I think we're making a move for Tavares, guys. Slowly, we're getting there.
top 5 gives us a chance!

Ryan-Tavares-Selanne...BELIEVE THAT

Murray has an agreement with Niedermayer that he will not be traded unless he asks. You think thats stupid, I don't.

Link with direct quote please. I sure as hell haven't seen that one anywhere. Larry Brooks? You have to be kidding me!

[QUOTE=ericnut;18055114]So who's the joke? Trading your top 2 defenseman and losing respect around the league or keeping Niedermayer for next season. Sounds like your the joke.

No, you're the joke. Unless Niedermayer agrees to extension before deadline, it would be damn stupid not to trade him and get valuable assets in return. Rebuild WILL happen sooner than later and we need all the assets possible. Keeping a retiring UFA is pure stupidity. Then again, when it comes to you, stupidity is the par for the course.

Players with the most value:

Niedermayer
Pronger
Pahlsson
Kunitz
Moen
Hiller

Trade them ALL!! If the Flyers are interested in Pronger, we can get them to give up JVR. Jersey want Niedermayer. They could give us lots and lots of draft picks and prospects. Lets rebuild this sucker.

The best part is that if/when Ducks trade either Pronger or Neidermayer to an eastern team, it starts an arms race among other eastern teams meaning Ducks get great return for the other d-man as well.

Pahlsson should be traded. His value is not going to get any higher and he should carry a lot of value thanks to his heroics in 07 play-offs. He's the prototypical play-off forward, gritty 2-way player with lots of play-off/cup-winning experience. Teams like Washington could definetly use a player like him. Not to mention Devils, Pahlsson fits their style perfectly.

I just pray that Murray sells, and for some reason doesn't hold on to hope we can still make it.

You're a f u c k i n g imbecile. Want to claim ownership of that too? I really don't see why you're so proud of the things that come out of your mouth.

He said the deal was with Burke... I never knew Burke owned the team.

The author interviewed Murray.
Sorry "BC student" there are no Cliff Notes.
At least you're consistently full of crap.

So Murray thinks we could land a top 5 pick?

[QUOTE=ericnut;18055114] Murray has an agreement with Niedermayer that he will not be traded unless he asks. You think thats stupid, I don't.

Link with direct quote please. I sure as hell haven't seen that one anywhere. Larry Brooks? You have to be kidding me!



No, you're the joke. Unless Niedermayer agrees to extension before deadline, it would be damn stupid not to trade him and get valuable assets in return. Rebuild WILL happen sooner than later and we need all the assets possible. Keeping a retiring UFA is pure stupidity. Then again, when it comes to you, stupidity is the par for the course.

Treat Niedermayer with respect... he want's to go, trade him.


Players with the most value:

Niedermayer
Pronger
Pahlsson
Kunitz
Moen
Hiller

Trade them ALL!! If the Flyers are interested in Pronger, we can get them to give up JVR. Jersey want Niedermayer. They could give us lots and lots of draft picks and prospects. Lets rebuild this sucker.

Why trade Hiller?

Treat Niedermayer with respect... he want's to go, trade him.

Niedermayer is a professional hockey player who has already been given more respect than just about any Ducks player not named Selanne or Giguere.

Do what's good for the TEAM, if that means trading Niedermayer then you sure as hell should do that.

It's absurd how sentimental people get here.

Niedermayer is a professional hockey player who has already been given more respect than just about any Ducks player not named Selanne or Giguere.

Do what's good for the TEAM, if that means trading Niedermayer then you sure as hell should do that.

It's absurd how sentimental people get here.

Pepper,your a trout,take a hike

Niedermayer is a professional hockey player who has already been given more respect than just about any Ducks player not named Selanne or Giguere.

Do what's good for the TEAM, if that means trading Niedermayer then you sure as hell should do that.

It's absurd how sentimental people get here.

I'm not sentimental, I just want the Ducks to have a little respect around the league.

I sincerely hope all the threads from here on out don't turn into a little *****fest.

A trade of Niedermayer can be done with respect, it isn't a black or white thing. If he doesn't re-sign an extension, then you look at the offers and work it out.

Regarding the interview, I haven't followed the whole Tavares logic in the thread. I read it as the reporter using hyperbole to suggest that it'd take an unbelievable offer to get the Ducks to move either Pronger or Niedermayer. Not that Murray actually suggested he had a deal in the works that could potentially land a top-five pick.

I'm not terribly enamored with "picks and prospects". For the most part, they won't help the team remain competitive for the next five years. Trading high-priced veterans on either expiring contracts, or with huge trade values in exchange for younger, cheaper players that can either already make an impact, or are ready to do so relatively soon, does interest me. I don't think Kunitz or Hiller should be dealt, at all. If Pahlsson can't be signed to an extension, then I suppose he's in play, but I'd prefer to keep him. Realistically, the only two pieces that'll make an impact are Pronger and Niedermayer. Normally I'd be against dealing Pronger, but if the return is as huge as some suggest it'd be, then I think Murray should pull the trigger.

I don't think the Ducks can keep both Hiller and Giguere. Personally, I don't trust Hiller to lead our team. I just don't think he is good enough to lock down that position. Giguere will be hard to trade with his NTC, salary, and underperformance.

Kunitz will fetch some good value on the trade market. You look at his salary at 3.7 mil and age. I think the Ducks could use that money for defense instead.

Edited: I also wanted to add the fact that this team is broken and we have been trying to plug holes ever since we won the Stanley Cup. If we stay the course and continue the Tampa Bay route, this team will be headed toward disappointment and mediocrity. Fans who are afraid to trade players based on sentimentality will always end up disappointed. Tampa should had broken up the Vinny, St Louis, Richard combo a long time ago. In the end, it cost them BIG time and now they are pretty much stuck in also-ran status. Meanwhile, a team like the Flyers traded away everyone and their grandma. They used the picks and players to build the team they have right now building their team around Richard and Carter. The Ducks can do the same considering half the team is going to be UFAs anyways. As for respecting Niedermayer. He understands it is a business. The Ducks need to build this team again. If he wants to come back in the offseason, Scotty knows he is always welcome ala Keith Tkachuk and the St Louis Blues.

Pepper,your a trout,take a hike

Umm, what?

I know I am not a MOD anymore but some of you guys need to relax and end the flame. Respect everyone's opinion even if you don't agree.

We're 4 points from being 15th....4 points.

Niedermayer should be traded unless he signs a contract extension before the deadline.

Pronger I am iffy about, if a team blows us away sure, if not he stays, we are under no pressure to move him.

The veteran role players..Moen, Rob, Hedican, Marchant, perhaps Pahlsson and Kunitz could/should all go, if a team offers us a good deal for Hiller i say take it. We'll have lots of capspace we have four great offensive forwards to build around for next year, we can be good again next year, but this year IS a lost cause and Murray hopefully will not have false hope and hold onto our vets.

Sums up my thoughts exactly. This team needs a cleansing of its Burke imprint.

The trade priorities in my mind are

1) Scott Niedermayer
2) Rob Niedermayer
3) Todd Marchant

I'd like to keep Pronger, Pahlsson, and Kunitz unless the offer is just too good to refuse. The rest (Moen, Hedican, etc) I just don't see having a lot of value in a trade.

Pepper,your a trout,take a hike

A trout is a fish, it can't hike, dumbass.

Kunitz will fetch some good value on the trade market. You look at his salary at 3.7 mil and age. I think the Ducks could use that money for defense instead.

The issue is then replacing Kunitz in the top six for equal or less salary. I'd hope Murray has a clear plan in that regard before pulling the trigger on trading Kunitz. We don't need Andy McDonald Part II.

A big variable in my mind is Ryan's new contract. How much of the cap he eats is going to factor into things.

I agree we should respect our players, but if we should go again on the same track as we were with scotty indecision about his future, I dont want him here...he is one my favourite Dman around league, but we all know in what kind of trouble we were last time..I dont want this again.
as much as I like scotty, I like ducks more.
only player I would give that much time again is selanne, because he is anaheim icon.

marchant, robie nieds, morrison should all be gone at trade deadline,
from def I think we should keep niedermayer (if he will sign extension ASAP,pronger) rest can go

and it is important to keed our goalie duo

bring some hockey skills and toughness

Basically, if Scotty doesn't make up his mind, we should do what is best for the team given the situation. We gave him the respect he needed already, and Scotty is a Hockey player whose been in the league long enough to realize it.

Ideally, the players should be respected and whatnot, but realistically it doesn't always happen. If we move him, it would not drop our image around the league as some would suggest.

Also there are some players that deserve the respect from the team, and one could argue that Niedermayer is one of those players. But, if we set the bar at Selanne (who definitely has the ideal respect from the management), I don't think Niedermayer has the same status with the team as ktulu98.

The issue is then replacing Kunitz in the top six for equal or less salary. I'd hope Murray has a clear plan in that regard before pulling the trigger on trading Kunitz. We don't need Andy McDonald Part II.

A big variable in my mind is Ryan's new contract. How much of the cap he eats is going to factor into things.

Exactly, and you can't find a player who forechecks and skates the way Kunitz does while chipping in 20 goals and adding 30 assists for under 4 million on the UFA market.

Umm, what?

Obviously he wants you to pepper your Alaskan trout on your hike.

I don't blame him either, trout is a bit too fishy without seasoning.

As mentioned, many times, ericnut is delusional.

Niedermayer deserves scorn if anything from the organization, since it was his waffling that led to huge problems last year that have carried over. He's also playing like a bum lately.

The only way the Ducks are looked at like a joke is if they don't trade him...

As mentioned, many times, ericnut is delusional.

Niedermayer deserves scorn if anything from the organization, since it was his waffling that led to huge problems last year that have carried over. He's also playing like a bum lately.

The only way the Ducks are looked at like a joke is if they don't trade him...

Wow, what have you done for me lately scorn. Lets not forget. Scotty didn't have to sign here for less money. He didn't have to carry this team on his back the first two years of his contract. He didn't help us win a Stanley Cup. Scotty is still the heart and soul of this team. Yeah, his skills have diminished but lets not publicly flog the guy. If you want to blame anyone, blame Burke for allowing putting us in the position we are in right now. You can't play Scotty and Pronger with a bunch of scrubs and expect the defense to hold.

Scotty didn't have to sign here for less money.

He did if he wanted to play and win with his brother.

He didn't have to carry this team on his back the first two years of his contract.

Highest-paid player, captain....? He should have held back? Don't be stupid.

Scotty is still the heart and soul of this team.

This is actually an insult when you're talking about a team with no heart.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Burke for allowing putting us in the position we are in right now. You can't play Scotty and Pronger with a bunch of scrubs and expect the defense to hold.

You can't sit out half a season and expect the GM to not try and fill the vacancy left by the "heart and soul". You can't have it both ways.

As mentioned, many times, ericnut is delusional.

Niedermayer deserves scorn if anything from the organization, since it was his waffling that led to huge problems last year that have carried over. He's also playing like a bum lately.

The only way the Ducks are looked at like a joke is if they don't trade him...

You can't blame Niedermayer. He took the time granted to him by Burke. Or is it Niedermayer's fault since Burke signed Bertuzzi to replace him.

And BTW, Niedermayer was the 2nd star in January.

You can't blame Niedermayer. He took the time granted to him by Burke. Or is it Niedermayer's fault since Burke signed Bertuzzi to replace him.

And BTW, Niedermayer was the 2nd star in January.

Bertuzzi was signed to replace Niedermayer??

Ericnut, it's past your bedtime already.

Burke didn't have to give Niedermayer any time. He choose to do so. That's respect that 99,99% of NHLers don't get.

What about Niedermayer showing respect for the Ducks and telling them about his plans? If he's going to retire after this season, why not trade him to a team of his choosing? That's mutual respect.

Bertuzzi was signed to replace Niedermayer??

Ericnut, it's past your bedtime already.

Burke didn't have to give Niedermayer any time. He choose to do so. That's respect that 99,99% of NHLers don't get.

What about Niedermayer showing respect for the Ducks and telling them about his plans? If he's going to retire after this season, why not trade him to a team of his choosing? That's mutual respect.

Can't sense the sarcasm? Haha!

Ericnut, it's past your bedtime already.

Just curious, how old are you and what do you do for a living?

And BTW, Niedermayer was the 2nd star in January.

He'll be the 651st star in February.

Just curious, how old are you and what do you do for a living?

What do I do for living? Schooling teenagers who know nothing about hockey. Or so it seems.

It's a tough job I tell ya, there are some really thick people out there. I should get paid more.

What do I do for living? Schooling teenagers who know nothing about hockey. Or so it seems.

It's a tough job I tell ya, there are some really thick people out there. I should get paid more.

Once again, how old are you and what do you do for a living? BTW, I'm 20 and go to school.

Niedermayer had a contract when he pulled his shenanigans. That's why he deserves scorn instead of praise. Burke tried to make the best out of a bad situation, but in hindsight it turned out to be a mistake. For a guy who is supposed to be nothing but classy, that "I think I'll maybe retire or maybe I'll play half a year because I don't feel like doing the training camp grind" was a huge ******** move.

Notice I'm not lumping Teemu in with him...because Teemu was unsigned. That's a totally different situation.

Once again, how old are you and what do you do for a living? BTW, I'm 20 and go to school.

Wow. That makes anything you say automatically more credible.

Wow. That makes anything you say automatically more credible.

I assume you didn't get the point of my post.

This thread should be closed. I don't visit the board for two days, and there's 4 pages of people flaming.

/thread.

I assume you didn't get the point of my post.
I bet it's assumptions like that that make it easy for you not to kill yourself.

The best part is that if/when Ducks trade either Pronger or Neidermayer to an eastern team, it starts an arms race among other eastern teams meaning Ducks get great return for the other d-man as well.

Pahlsson should be traded. His value is not going to get any higher and he should carry a lot of value thanks to his heroics in 07 play-offs. He's the prototypical play-off forward, gritty 2-way player with lots of play-off/cup-winning experience. Teams like Washington could definetly use a player like him. Not to mention Devils, Pahlsson fits their style perfectly.
Now THAT would be awesome. Although the thought of our defense without either of them has me shaking in my booties.

I dunno about Pahlsson. He's still my favorite Duck, even if he hasn't been as effective. And the only one on the team with any faceoff skill. Although I do worry he'll get crazy money to go somewhere else and we'll lose him anyways, in which case they might as well trade him. It depends on if you think keeping him will give us a leg-up on re-signing him.

Scary fact: Pahlsson is the only center who wins more draws than he loses. Teemu and his whopping 82 wins is the only other player.
The issue is then replacing Kunitz in the top six for equal or less salary. I'd hope Murray has a clear plan in that regard before pulling the trigger on trading Kunitz. We don't need Andy McDonald Part II.

A big variable in my mind is Ryan's new contract. How much of the cap he eats is going to factor into things.
I don't think I'd be OK with trading Kunitz. His salary is pretty much what you'd expect for a mid tier 2nd line UFA winger. What's more, he gets that salary and plays on the first line. With the top heaviness, our team needs salary value. That's just like how I said Beauchemin was a hugely important piece to the team. Not because he's that good per se, but his contract value and ability to eat minutes is vital. Kunitz isn't as good of a value, but he fulfills a similar role.

And what's with the avatar? Was this thread that emo to you?

I bet it's assumptions like that that make it easy for you not to kill yourself.

Good luck in life... I wish you the best.

Good luck in life... I wish you the best.
Yeah ya do.

i dont know why you want to trade pahlsson, yes he has great value, yes we can get lot in that trade...but I ask why would we trade one of the best shutdown center in league?what's the point?

you all forgot how essential is to have shutdown center? maybe this year sami sucks but he sucks same as whole team.
you would trade along with him moen and I really dont know who can be on daily basis put up agaist best lines of opposing top lines..

people think...
when we won SC you were all on bandwagon of sami=god, suddenly now you would trade him lige jiggy because he sucks right now...
show some respect

i dont know why you want to trade pahlsson, yes he has great value, yes we can get lot in that trade...but I ask why would we trade one of the best shutdown center in league?what's the point?

you all forgot how essential is to have shutdown center? maybe this year sami sucks but he sucks same as whole team.
you would trade along with him moen and I really dont know who can be on daily basis put up agaist best lines of opposing top lines..

people think...
when we won SC you were all on bandwagon of sami=god, suddenly now you would trade him lige jiggy because he sucks right now...
show some respect
We could always sign him in the off-season

Pahlsson could get 4M per year as an UFA, Ducks can't afford that money and it's too much for him anyway.

I just don't wish to see Marchant Part Deux with Pahlsson, a gritty veteran shutdown center with very little offense signed to long-term contract which becomes a financial anchor after couple of years.

If Sammy agrees to say 2y 6M deal before deadline, sign him. Maybe 3y 9M deal. If he wants more money/longer contract, trade him.

i dont know why you want to trade pahlsson, yes he has great value, yes we can get lot in that trade...but I ask why would we trade one of the best shutdown center in league?what's the point?

you all forgot how essential is to have shutdown center? maybe this year sami sucks but he sucks same as whole team.
you would trade along with him moen and I really dont know who can be on daily basis put up agaist best lines of opposing top lines..

people think...
when we won SC you were all on bandwagon of sami=god, suddenly now you would trade him lige jiggy because he sucks right now...
show some respect

Both you and Pepper are relatively right.

I think keeping Sami is a priority. You win in this league with goaltending, D, and strength up the middle. Pahlsson's great at what he does, and we're going to need a guy like him if this team's going to win the cup again.

However, anything more than $4mil feels like an overpayment. If that is truly what he's after, then a trade is indeed an option, because I have the feeling he has some pretty good value around the league. It's not about respect at all, it's about managing the team. If he's affordable, he's in. If not, he's got the team's thanks for his years of service, and best wishes for the future.

I don't think the Ducks will have the chance to sign him if he gets dealt. I know it has happened before, but realistically I don't think Pahlsson will be too keen on coming back after he gets dealt.

Ouch. 4 million? Now I could live with 3, but even that seems a little steep.

Pahlsson made 1.5 million, that contract was given as a UFA in 06-07. In 06-07 the cap was 44 million. Take that to this year's cap and that gives you ~1.9 million.

Now his deal was a slight discount at the time. And he's more proven now (his contract was in the beginning of his should-be-Selke season). I'd go 2.5-2.8 million for him. Which incidentally is around Marchant's salary. It's not that Marchant was paid too much for what he could be (a good 3rd line shutdown guy), it's that Marchant was paid too much for his roster spot (4th line PK guy).

Although the argument could be made that he gets 2nd line minutes and plays PP (even though I'm still leery of that), in which case 3 million might be OK.

We could always sign him in the off-season

that is a big risk
a)sami can be angry that we have traded him
b)what credit have that kind of player that agrees on trade and then he sign with previos team?
c)he can get far better offer and stay and we will not have him

sami is too importat to gamble with him like this

so 3.5M for kunitz is allright and anything more than 3M for one of the best shutdown center in league is too much?

And what's with the avatar? Was this thread that emo to you?

Just a tip of the cap to my buddy Nikko :laugh:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=18008703&postcount=53

But it sums up what I think of this team pretty well.

Pahlsson could get 4M per year as an UFA, Ducks can't afford that money and it's too much for him anyway.

If Sammy agrees to say 2y 6M deal before deadline, sign him. Maybe 3y 9M deal. If he wants more money/longer contract, trade him.

Pahlsson doesn't have the offensive stats to get 4 million. All the guys that get that (Madden, Handzus, etc) have multiple 20 goal and 50 point seasons on their resume.

I think he'll sign here for between 2 and 3 million.

It's not that Marchant was paid too much for what he could be (a good 3rd line shutdown guy), it's that Marchant was paid too much for his roster spot (4th line PK guy).

Marchant is getting paid for one 20 goal / 60 point season that he had in his contract year. The sad fact is he's never come close to those number since.

This league pays forwards for goals and points. Defensive ability, grit, faceoffs, and all those little things will keep a guy in the league, but if he wants big money he'd better put up offense.

so 3.5M for kunitz is allright and anything more than 3M for one of the best shutdown center in league is too much?

Yeah I do. Pahlson is a great faceoff guy, but other than that I see Kunitz a way more useful overall player.

Pahlson is a 1 very 1 dimensional player.

Yeah I do. Pahlson is a great faceoff guy, but other than that I see Kunitz a way more useful overall player.

Pahlson is a 1 very 1 dimensional player.

Pahlson is a 1 very 1 dimensional player - maybeeee but he is one of the best

so 3.5M for kunitz is allright and anything more than 3M for one of the best shutdown center in league is too much?
In a word, yes.

As Hank said, players are paid for their offensive contributions more than their defensive contributions.

Pandolfo is the best comparable to Pahlsson. They are both elite defensively but a nonfactor offensively (average point totals are very similar, average ES goal against almost identical in 06-07, when either of them could have had the Selke). Pandolfo makes 2.5 million, and was signed last offseason.

Another defensive specialist, Madden, makes 2.9. But he also has broken 40 points a couple times and consistently breaks 30, something Pahlsson has never done.

Mike Grier is a PK wizard, and is just as good as those guys, he's broken 30 points a handful of times and 40 once. He gets <1.8 (although his contract was signed about the same time as Pahlsson's last contract).

Pahlsson's "real" (if there's such thing in the UFA market) is max 3.2-3.3M per year, some crazy GM could throw him more but it's not like Holik was worth 8M per year either.

If Ducks are out of it by deadline, Murray should tell Sammy to either re-sign at reasonable value or tell him he will be traded. That's fair enough for both sides.

Pahlsson's "real" (if there's such thing in the UFA market) is max 3.2-3.3M per year, some crazy GM could throw him more but it's not like Holik was worth 8M per year either.

If Ducks are out of it by deadline, Murray should tell Sammy to either re-sign at reasonable value or tell him he will be traded. That's fair enough for both sides.

I agree. Some of the numbers thrown around for Pahlsson are getting silly.

He's a great shutdown forward, but the bottom line is he has never even hit the 30 point mark. The nature of the NHL is that players who bring offense, and/or a more complete game are going to make more than defensive-minded players. How often do you see a pure defensive defenseman getting big contract numbers? Offensive defensemen, on the other hand, get big money contracts far more often.

Marchant is getting paid for one 20 goal / 60 point season that he had in his contract year. The sad fact is he's never come close to those number since.

This league pays forwards for goals and points. Defensive ability, grit, faceoffs, and all those little things will keep a guy in the league, but if he wants big money he'd better put up offense.
Yes Marchant is getting paid for that fluke 60 point year, and he was waaay overpaid the first few years of his contract.

But with the cap going up like 50% since the lockout (and after the 25% salary drop or whatever), I think Marchant's salary is finally somewhat in line with his abilities. Somewhat.

We Marchant is getting paid for that fluke 60 point year, and he was waaay overpaid the first few years of his contract.

But with the cap going up like 50% since the lockout (and after the 25% salary drop or whatever), I think Marchant's salary is finally somewhat in line with his abilities. Somewhat.

Marchant should make 1 mil.

But with the cap going up like 50% since the lockout (and after the 25% salary drop or whatever), I think Marchant's salary is finally somewhat in line with his abilities. Somewhat.

Don't agree, simply because I think Marchant is showing his age. If he had Pahlsson's game right now I'd be fine paying him 2.5. But he's no where close to Pahlsson any more.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3933247&name=nhl

Nothing too mind blowing, but I would love to know what the "serious offers" are....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3933247&name=nhl

Nothing too mind blowing, but I would love to know what the "serious offers" are....

Pronger for JayBo straight up.

Pronger for JayBo straight up.

Anaheim says no.

I'm not saying Bouwmeester wouldn't be worth Pronger straight up. In fact, under normal circumstances I think Anaheim would love this deal. The bottom line, however, is that Bouwmeester is an UFA at the end of the season and there is no reason to trade Pronger for Bouwmeester just for the rest of the season, especially when Pronger has one more year on his contract.

Anaheim says no.

I'm not saying Bouwmeester wouldn't be worth Pronger straight up. In fact, under normal circumstances I think Anaheim would love this deal. The bottom line, however, is that Bouwmeester is an UFA at the end of the season and there is no reason to trade Pronger for Bouwmeester just for the rest of the season, especially when Pronger has one more year on his contract.

I'm no expert on the Ducks situation, but isn't the whole idea of trading them solely due to payroll? by doing that move, they could remain competitive this season(keeping fan interest for the playoffs) and have the choice of signing a very good defenseman for a similar price they can keep Pronger for.

Opens up more doors...

And for Florida, they remain competitive this year, and have a year of possible playoff hockey to follow if Pronger doesn't whine...

I'm no expert on the Ducks situation, but isn't the whole idea of trading them solely due to payroll? by doing that move, they could remain competitive this season(keeping fan interest for the playoffs) and have the choice of signing a very good defenseman for a similar price they can keep Pronger for.

Opens up more doors...

And for Florida, they remain competitive this year, and have a year of possible playoff hockey to follow if Pronger doesn't whine...
Except Bouwmeester would cost more than Pronger.

I'm no expert on the Ducks situation, but isn't the whole idea of trading them solely due to payroll? by doing that move, they could remain competitive this season(keeping fan interest for the playoffs) and have the choice of signing a very good defenseman for a similar price they can keep Pronger for.

Opens up more doors...

And for Florida, they remain competitive this year, and have a year of possible playoff hockey to follow if Pronger doesn't whine...

You don't trade Pronger for a rental.

You don't trade Pronger for a rental.

You don't say! Joke people, IT WAS A JOKE!!!!! Now if they could sign Bo to a 5 year deal prior to him coming over hear sure.

Just a question for the duck fans. We are having a deadline game and I took anaheim. One of the deals on the table is:

To Columbus:
Chris Pronger

To Anaheim:

Nika Filatov
Jan Hejda
1st round pick

Would the ducks do this?

Just a question for the duck fans. We are having a deadline game and I took anaheim. One of the deals on the table is:

To Columbus:
Chris Pronger

To Anaheim:

Nika Filatov
Jan Hejda
1st round pick

Would the ducks do this?
I'd have to say yes. Filatov has a ton of upside, Hejda is cheap and good and Columbus' 1st if it's 09 would give us 2 picks in the 10-20 range.

The other Proposal going around is

To Anaheim:

1st Round pick + Weber + Gerbe + MacArthur + Kotalik + Numminen

To Buffalo:

Chris Pronger

I'd have to say yes. Filatov has a ton of upside, Hejda is cheap and good and Columbus' 1st if it's 09 would give us 2 picks in the 10-20 range.

I doubt the Ducks with Burke would do this, but with Murray they might. Filatov is going to be a stud IMO, but he's always going to be soft. The only real soft player we have had in the past few years has been Teemu or AMac.

I doubt the Ducks with Burke would do this, but with Murray they might. Filatov is going to be a stud IMO, but he's always going to be soft. The only real soft player we have had in the past few years has been Teemu or AMac.

You forgot Bert-lousy.

What would you guys want from Philly for Pronger?

Lupul(Carlyle like him?)+Jones+Nodl(good prospect, cheap talent)+ picks?

Start with JVR.

What would you guys want from Philly for Pronger?

Lupul(Carlyle like him?)+Jones+Nodl(good prospect, cheap talent)+ picks?
Jones, Sbisa, lower prospect, 1st, 1st/2nd (conditional).

Or JVR + Jones + 2nd.

What would you guys want from Philly for Pronger?

Lupul(Carlyle like him?)+Jones+Nodl(good prospect, cheap talent)+ picks?

Murray wants either NHL or NHL ready prospects

What would you guys want from Philly for Pronger?

Lupul(Carlyle like him?)+Jones+Nodl(good prospect, cheap talent)+ picks?

No to Lupul. He was traded for his lazy attitude. Now he's overpaid. Don't think we'll ever see him in a Ducks uniform again.

Id hate to see Lupul here, we need some players with passion, preferably a LW.

If Pronger goes to Philly the Ducks will want something like Hartnell + JVR + 3rd pairing dman + a first.

If Whitney can get Kunitz + Tangradi then Ducks can easily get a package like the one above.

At this point I wouldn't be at all opposed to something like this (I'm using draft picks simply as value estimates):

Morrison for a 4th.
Pronger for two 1st's and a roster player.
Niedermayer for a 1st, an A-level prospect, and a roster player.
Pahlsson for a 2nd and a B-level prospect.
Marchant for a C-level prospect.

Next season:

Ryan (1.92) - Getzlaf (5.325) - Perry (5.325)
_______ - _______ - Selanne (2.625)
_______ - Ebbett (500K) - ________
Miller (525K) - Wirtanen (~500K) - Parros (875K)

________ - __________
Whitney (4.00) - Montador (~1.5)
Salcido (~850K) - Festerling (~600K)

Scratches: Brookbank (500K), Carter (625K)

Giguere (6.00)
Hiller (1.3)

Total Salary ~ 33 million with six big holes to fill.

If Pronger goes to Philly the Ducks will want something like Hartnell + JVR + 3rd pairing dman + a first.

If Whitney can get Kunitz + Tangradi then Ducks can easily get a package like the one above.

sorry but who is JVR?

At this point I wouldn't be at all opposed to something like this (I'm using draft picks simply as value estimates):

Morrison for a 4th.
Pronger for two 1st's and a roster player.
Niedermayer for a 1st, an A-level prospect, and a roster player.
Pahlsson for a 2nd and a B-level prospect.
Marchant for a C-level prospect.

Next season:

Ryan (1.92) - Getzlaf (5.325) - Perry (5.325)
_______ - _______ - Selanne (2.625)
_______ - Ebbett (500K) - ________
Miller (525K) - Wirtanen (~500K) - Parros (875K)

________ - __________
Whitney (4.00) - Montador (~1.5)
Salcido (~850K) - Festerling (~600K)

Scratches: Brookbank (500K), Carter (625K)

Giguere (6.00)
Hiller (1.3)

Total Salary ~ 33 million with six big holes to fill.

Ryan - Getzlaf - Perry
Ebbett - Zajac - Selanne
Moen - Pahlsson - Carter
Brown - Wirtanen - Parros

Bouwmeester - Coburn
Whitney - Beauchemin
Montador - Festerling

Giguere/Hiller

This team should be a lock for the playoffs next season already... Coburn and Zajac coming in trades via Pronger and Scotty.

sorry but who is JVR?http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/james_vanriemsdyk

The Ducks would be wise and trade both Scotty and Pronger. Here is my take. Scotty's value right now is HIGH. He still has game but I don't see him playing anymore after next season. The problem I see is his mental prepareness in the game. When he came to Anaheim, he rarely made mistakes. He carried this team and brought us the leadership we needed. Ever since the Stanley Cup, Niedermayer doesn't have the drive anymore. He frequently makes mistakes and can 't compensate for the lack of depth on our blueline. In a trade, the Ducks could bring back a top prospect and first round draft pick for him similar to what Buffalo got for Brian Campbell. And if Scotty wants to play one more year, he could end up in Anaheim to finish his HOF career. The Ducks would make out like bandits.

Pronger is still one of the top 10 defensemen in the game. He used to be top 3 but has lost a bit of edge to his game since the Cup Final. I think two factors have limited Pronger. First, the suspensions have caught up to his game. The NHL have him on check and he isn't willing to cross the line anymore. Before, no one wanted to cross Pronger because he was willing to hurt you physically if you got in his face. Secondly, Pronger is struggling to keep up with the new rules. He struggles against smaller and faster players who never dared head to the net before. Now with the new obstruction rules, Pronger is having a hard time adapting. I don't see his game improving much more and the Ducks would be wise in getting value for him right now. The Ducks could bring back a player, top prospect, and first round pick for Pronger. If Bob Murray had any sense, he would give up the season and sell the house.

I want Parent from Flyers in a trade.

Y'know what's funny about Lupul? He has a partial NTC! That contract is ridiculous.

And yeah, his RW-only ability doesn't help us with Ryan, Perry, and Selanne on the team.

The Ducks would be wise and trade both Scotty and Pronger. Here is my take. Scotty's value right now is HIGH. He still has game but I don't see him playing anymore after next season. The problem I see is his mental prepareness in the game. When he came to Anaheim, he rarely made mistakes. He carried this team and brought us the leadership we needed. Ever since the Stanley Cup, Niedermayer doesn't have the drive anymore. He frequently makes mistakes and can 't compensate for the lack of depth on our blueline. In a trade, the Ducks could bring back a top prospect and first round draft pick for him similar to what Buffalo got for Brian Campbell. And if Scotty wants to play one more year, he could end up in Anaheim to finish his HOF career. The Ducks would make out like bandits.

Pronger is still one of the top 10 defensemen in the game. He used to be top 3 but has lost a bit of edge to his game since the Cup Final. I think two factors have limited Pronger. First, the suspensions have caught up to his game. The NHL have him on check and he isn't willing to cross the line anymore. Before, no one wanted to cross Pronger because he was willing to hurt you physically if you got in his face. Secondly, Pronger is struggling to keep up with the new rules. He struggles against smaller and faster players who never dared head to the net before. Now with the new obstruction rules, Pronger is having a hard time adapting. I don't see his game improving much more and the Ducks would be wise in getting value for him right now. The Ducks could bring back a player, top prospect, and first round pick for Pronger. If Bob Murray had any sense, he would give up the season and sell the house.

Well said on both, my thinking exactly. I do think Pronger is still one of the best offensive defenseman, but he is not that Norris Trophy guy.

If people are willing to pay the price thinking they will get that old Pronger, sell high.

If not, he's still a great offensive defenseman and PP QB, but our major problem is not have any top quality defensive defenseman.

Niedermayer can't get it done playing 30 minutes a night and like you said Pronger is not that guy anymore.

Thats why I hope we make a trade and get a guy like Alzner or Wideman while we still can.

Whitney, Gardiness, Salcido, Mikkelson I hope will get us enough offense/transition in the back end. We need someone to shut people down and I haven't been impressed enough with Festerling and who knows what happens with Beachemein and Montador.

Would you guys do Cheechoo, Ehrhoff, Couture, and 1st 2010 for Pronger? Cheechoo would have to be in there for salary, but as a RW, I would guess Murray says no thanks.

The other option would be something around Michalek and Ehrhoff. Michalek would be a good fit with Selanne, but the team would still be lacking a 2nd line center.

For the record, I am not sure if I would do this, but I wanted your guys' take.

Would you guys do Cheechoo, Ehrhoff, Couture, and 1st 2010 for Pronger? Cheechoo would have to be in there for salary, but as a RW, I would guess Murray says no thanks.

The other option would be something around Michalek and Ehrhoff. Michalek would be a good fit with Selanne, but the team would still be lacking a 2nd line center.

For the record, I am not sure if I would do this, but I wanted your guys' take.

The sharks are literally the last place that Murray would trade Pronger.

The other option would be something around Michalek and Ehrhoff. Michalek would be a good fit with Selanne, but the team would still be lacking a 2nd line center.


Murray would probably consider this although divisional trades are very rare. SJ would almost be a lock to win the cup if this happened, so would probably have to add at least a first on top of Michalek and Ehrhoff.

The sharks are literally the last place that Murray would trade Pronger.

Murray would probably consider this although divisional trades are very rare. SJ would almost be a lock to win the cup if this happened, so would probably have to add at least a first on top of Michalek and Ehrhoff.

Doug Wilson is the anti-divisional trade, as well. However, after seeing some of the stuff on the main board, and the fact that Pronger's deal will likely be up before Anaheim is major competitor again, it seemed this could be a good deal for both teams.

Doug Wilson is the anti-divisional trade, as well. However, after seeing some of the stuff on the main board, and the fact that Pronger's deal will likely be up before Anaheim is major competitor again, it seemed this could be a good deal for both teams.

Apparently Darren Dreger thinks San Jose is in on Pronger as well...not sure what I would ask for if I was Anaheim, and I dont think Id like facing him eight times a year either.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/23866-THNcom-Blog-Whitney-deal-means-more-Ducks-will-fly-coup.html

Article on THN regarding Anaheim supposedly choosing Niedermayer over Pronger, and his opinion on it.

Apparently Darren Dreger thinks San Jose is in on Pronger as well...not sure what I would ask for if I was Anaheim, and I dont think Id like facing him eight times a year either.

Every team that is contending will inquire so it isn't too surprising. As far as Pronger goes, he will probably be retired by the time Anaheim is competing again anyway, but given his physical play, I can understand why you would want him out of the division.

The other guy the Sharks could use is Pahlsson, but I think you guys are better off keeping him.

what about lombardi for morrison + ?

CBC.CA: reports the Calgary Flames might have interest in either Buffalo’s Tim Connolly or Anaheim’s Brendan Morrison possibly to center their second line with inexpensive center Matthew Lombardi heading the other way. Former Flames and current Coyotes blueliner Derek Morris might also be of interest to the Flames but the asking price for him could be higher.


i would love to get rid of morrison :)

As far as Pronger goes, he will probably be retired by the time Anaheim is competing again anyway

I don't know about that, I mean Pronger has at least 5 more years left in him, surely we can compete in that window, I mean Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan isn't that bad a core to build around is it?

what about lombardi for morrison + ?

CBC.CA: reports the Calgary Flames might have interest in either Buffalo’s Tim Connolly or Anaheim’s Brendan Morrison possibly to center their second line with inexpensive center Matthew Lombardi heading the other way. Former Flames and current Coyotes blueliner Derek Morris might also be of interest to the Flames but the asking price for him could be higher.


i would love to get rid of morrison :)

I've always thought Lombardi might be a good fit for this team. Hasn't done a whole lot this season in Calgary, but has good wheels, has scored 20-goals in the past, and is a hard worker. I'd rather have him than Morrison personally.

I've always thought Lombardi might be a good fit for this team. Hasn't done a whole lot this season in Calgary, but has good wheels, has scored 20-goals in the past, and is a hard worker. I'd rather have him than Morrison personally.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana090227.html

looks like morrison is garnering some interest, will be good to shift him, hes just not clicking this year with this team, and due to Ebbett's play and Carter in the wings he's just not needed

I'd still like to see Pronger traded to the Caps. They've got the assets to make it happen, something along the lines of:

Tomas Fleischmann (replaces the scoring of Kunitz - they have almost identical PPG averages - don't know if he can play on the left though...not sure about contract either)
John Carlson/Karl Alzner (whichever they'd rather give up, both will be great players)
Plus a 1st

I don't know if they'd be willing to part with those players but I'd like to see that kind of package.

I'd still like to see Pronger traded to the Caps. They've got the assets to make it happen, something along the lines of:

Tomas Fleischmann (replaces the scoring of Kunitz - they have almost identical PPG averages - don't know if he can play on the left though...not sure about contract either)
John Carlson/Karl Alzner (whichever they'd rather give up, both will be great players)
Plus a 1st

I don't know if they'd be willing to part with those players but I'd like to see that kind of package.

The fans aren't willing, but that has no bearing on whether or not McPhee is willing. That'd be a very nice return.

It would depend on Fleischmann's contract / age. I don't know a thing about him, but Kunitz' point totals were nothing to write home about with the Ducks this season. If Fleischmann is young, cheap and physical then I'd do this deal for sure.

Fleischmann's 24, 725k cap hit and an RFA after next season. He's slightly outpacing Kunitz with his numbers this season. Speedy but not particularly physical or good defensively.

Fleischmann's 24, 725k cap hit and an RFA after next season. He's slightly outpacing Kunitz with his numbers this season. Speedy but not particularly physical or good defensively.

Hmm... the age and contract seem nice. However, for 50pt per season guy I'd prefer a more complete player defensively especially giving up Pronger. Right now he just sounds like a cheaper, younger Kunitz without the defensive ability and physicality.

That's true, though you have to keep in mind, he's much cheaper. Pay for what you get.

Fleichmann is also still going forward every year. Plus his nickname is Flash, and we'll need another one after next season.

Fleichmann is also still going forward every year. Plus his nickname is Flash, and we'll need another one after next season.

man..comments like that make me want to cry. I hope Selanne plays until he is 50, even if it's just on a 4th line role I'd rather have him on the team than not.


Actually, I wonder if he'd come back as like an assistant coach or something or work in the front office. He is the face of the Ducks after all.

man..comments like that make me want to cry. I hope Selanne plays until he is 50, even if it's just on a 4th line role I'd rather have him on the team than not.


Actually, I wonder if he'd come back as like an assistant coach or something or work in the front office. He is the face of the Ducks after all.

I second this, life after Teemu will be a sad sad day for me

One thing is for sure, if we trade either Pronger or Niedermayer the return has to be huge.