09 Draft thread [Archive]

snarktacular

02-08-2009, 11:31 PM

So I know a lot of people don't care about stuff like draft until after the season's over. I'm like that too.

But seeing as how we've got some rather lengthy breaks the next couple weeks, we could probably use something to talk about.

This is hockey's future, let's discuss the draft. I didn't really read anything or watch the WJCs or anything to contribute much, but hopefully other people have.

As of now, we're 18th in the NHL in point%, meaning we'd be in line for the 13th pick. If we suck and sell, it could go a little higher (maybe to say 8 or something). Or we may heat up and sneak into the playoffs, but I wouldn't expect much more than a low seed (7-8) and getting knocked out in the first round (so maybe like 18). Basically think mid-level pick.

Here's some stuff I can collect real fast.

HF/ISS January rankings (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10881/iss_top302009_prospects_january/)
Red Line January top 10 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2009-01-21-red-line_N.htm)
McKeen's December rankings (top 10 free) (http://mckeenshockey.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=890702&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
TSN/CSB midseason rankings (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=9273)
Future Considerations Winter draft rankings (http://www.futureconsiderations.ca/dnn/09DraftCentre/tabid/169/Default.aspx)

Thoughts? Other links/resources you recommend? What kind of player would you like? Anyone specific you like? Anyone actually watch any of these kids play?

Buck Naked

02-08-2009, 11:42 PM

snarktacular

02-09-2009, 08:53 PM

For where I think we will be picking (10-15 range), I'd really like to pick up Kassian. We don't really have any physical D-men in our system. Hell, we don't even have a big open ice hitter on our team right now.
Kassian is kind of intriguing. One of the few I know even a little about. Big guy, nasty, some skill. Kind of like how Beach was last season. Hopefully he doesn't have a screw loose like Beach though.

And I'm with you on the physical Dman. We lack that. Who in the first few rounds is a physical Dman?

Here's something to consider relative to prospects. Does anyone think Murray might be more partial to speed?

Just think about the draft. Last draft might have been more Murray's show than normal as there were questions about Burke's status. And who did we pick? Gardiner, the fast guy (also, Deschamps, McMillan, Hegarty, Warg, and Pryor all have skating listed as assets). Chainey, at the draft time also mentioned that a big focus was to make the team faster.

Also, consider Murray's moves. He trades Sutherby for McIntyre, who was also said to be very fast. Brown's pretty quick (although only in straight lines). Was it Murray or Burke who chose Mikkelson (the skater) over Salcido? Murray shipped out May, the slowest of our potential 4th liners.

I think the thing to look for in potential draftees is speed, especially speed WITH size.

BraveSirRobin

02-10-2009, 12:36 AM

Personally, I'd like us to get Nazem Kadri. He really impressed me during the Memorial Cup last year, and could be a good scoring forward. However, I doubt he'd last to our part of the draft, as the rankings here seem to favor him to the first-half. Kassian is an interesting choice, although I admit I know little about him.

How about Dmitri Kulikov? I'm not sure how aggressive he is, but from what I've heard that he had really good on-ice awareness, which could be useful for our team in the future. In terms of roughness, Charles-Olivier Roussel sounds like he's a pretty hard hitting defenseman that scouts are high on, so he might be someone else to consider.

(aside from Kadri, I should note I'm saying this based only on what I've heard, and not seen)

Kevin Forbes

02-10-2009, 10:41 AM

Kulikov is more of an offensive blue-liner. Not much grit in his game.

The Q also has another defensive prospect in Simon Despres who is stronger in his own end and a little bigger, but still more likely to tie up the opposition then put them through the glass.

Olivier-Roussel is a step below those two (who will likely be the top two players selected from the Q). He's a complete player but lacks the polish and skill to be a first rounder in my opinion.

Buck Naked

02-10-2009, 01:25 PM

snarktacular

02-11-2009, 12:40 AM

Just for fun, I went down the projected top 30 from mynhldraft.com (just because they had links to stats) and found all the guys who averaged at least one PIM per game (henceforth known as Ducks-PPG. Or maybe even MPG).

I came up with Victor Hedman, Evander Kane, Braydon Schenn, Ryan Ellis, Simon Despres, Jeremy Morin, Landon Ferraro, Zack Kassian, Carter Ashton, Louis Leblanc, and Kyle Palmieri.

This is a pure stat thing, I have no idea if these guys are physical or not. As far as I know, they could be like Rob or Salei.

BraveSirRobin

02-11-2009, 07:55 PM

Olivier-Roussel is a step below those two (who will likely be the top two players selected from the Q). He's a complete player but lacks the polish and skill to be a first rounder in my opinion.

So do you think we'd be wise to pick him in the second or third round? (Provided of course he's still available) I like the sound of Despres, actually. He could give us that physical d-man that we're looking for, if we were of a mind.

Evander Kane is another interesting player. I wouldn't mind the Ducks taking him, I've heard some good things about him.

snarktacular

02-14-2009, 01:04 AM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=266973&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

TSN's midseason rankings, based off of talking to multiple scouts.

I think we should get Rundblad, just because of the name.

A few positions I think we could use: goal scoring LW, #2 C, RD.

snarktacular

02-18-2009, 02:24 AM

OK here's something else to think about.

I'd like for the team to get a right-shooting defenseman. They're rare. You don't get someone just because of that, but it's one of many things to consider.

Hockeydb says we have these right-shooting guys: Shultz, Warg, Kampfer, Regan, Bickel. Montador and Brookbank. All the top guys are lefties.

Potential right-shooting defensemen: Cowen (ACL injury might, but probably won't, get us a shot), Ellis, Elliot, Rundblad, Doherty.

Markus078

02-18-2009, 09:13 AM

Simon Despres and Scott Glennie get my votes if we pick around the top 15.

karacter

02-18-2009, 02:17 PM

Anyone know if Murray wants a dman or forward without first pick? Or whether or not he prefers size or speed?

Pepper

02-18-2009, 03:08 PM

Anyone know if Murray wants a dman or forward without first pick? Or whether or not he prefers size or speed?

BPA.

Unless there's 2 equally good players (d-man and forward) in which case Murray will pick the d-man.

But at this point it's really impossible to say, a lot depends if Ducks somehow make it to play-offs or continue to sink in the standings and get a higher pick.

TheJoeMan

02-18-2009, 03:34 PM

snarktacular

02-18-2009, 04:42 PM

I'm kind of hoping we draft a goalie if there is one favorable enough. Jiggy is getting up there in age and I think JP will top out as a back-up. 16 drafts and never a goalie in the first round. I say we're due.
Not sold on Hiller?

We also have Cousineau, who Chainey said may become a backup if he reaches his potential. Whoopie.

TheJoeMan

02-18-2009, 04:55 PM

Not sold on Hiller?

We also have Cousineau, who Chainey said may become a backup if he reaches his potential. Whoopie.

Nope. He's as good a backup as you can get but I have little faith he could carry this team for 60-65 games. Plus I think he'll be traded before his contract is up. I don't see how Murray will convince Jiggy of waiving his no-trade clause before his contract expires.

snarktacular

02-19-2009, 12:34 AM

Nope. He's as good a backup as you can get but I have little faith he could carry this team for 60-65 games. Plus I think he'll be traded before his contract is up. I don't see how Murray will convince Jiggy of waiving his no-trade clause before his contract expires.
That's gotta be just a hunch. I can't see how you could say either way whether Hiller could be a starter or not. He hasn't started enough consecutive games to tell.

Teams are rarely stuck with a player with an NTC. It just means they'll get little return as it'll have to be to one of the few teams a player will accept. Players won't stay where they're not wanted (if they actually want to move Jiggy).

snarktacular

03-08-2009, 10:32 PM

If the Ducks lose tonight (as it looks), they'll "pass" St. Louis in point % for the draft race. Into position for the 9th overall pick (they were 10th this morning).

Supposedly the plateau is at around 7. Not that I want a tank, but just sayin'.

Randall Graves*

03-08-2009, 10:49 PM

Hopefully we get Schroeder or Kassian

Static

03-08-2009, 10:53 PM

I dont know anything about these young players, other than this draft is supposed to be pretty damn deep. We pretty much need everything so the BPA around 7-8 sounds good to me. When is the last time we drafted in the top 10 excluding the lottery? Smid? Thinking about it now that really wasnt that long ago....four drafts or so.

snarktacular

03-08-2009, 11:35 PM

Future considerations has a spring update. http://www.futureconsiderations.ca/dnn/09DraftCentre/09SpringRankings/tabid/195/Default.aspx

Kinda old, but HF/ISS February rankings. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10949/iss_top302009_prospects_february/

TSN's midseason top 30 (different from the one I posted earlier? With useful blurbs). http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=9267

Feb red line: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2009-02-19-red-line-report_N.htm

Red line's top prospects game notes: http://redlinereport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=31

Schroeder has a lot of skill in a tiny package (that's what she said), he is a boom or bust type. Might be interesting. The problem is he's a RW, which we really don't need.

If we get down to like 7 or 8, that's tantalizingly close to where Cowen might slot in (he's been dropping because of the injury). This is a forward heavy draft though, he might end up like a Cam Barker in a "overrated because he's best of what's available." I know Ken still likes him.

For defense, there's also John Moore, who some are saying is this year's John Carlson. Good sized guy who might slip through the cracks because he's USHL. Now I don't have the same gut feeling about him, but I didn't yet about Carlson either (it was stuff I read later, when there were more reports and I started studying more for the draft).

Red Line says that this draft looks deeper in quality than last year. Last year we had the 12th pick, but there were only like 6 or so good guys. After that there was a broad plateau of decent guys, which is why we traded down so many times to pick up as many "decent" guys as possible. This year we may be getting a much better player for the same draft position.

For no reason whatsoever, the guy I have the gut feeling about this year is Carter Ashton. I thought he might be a good pickup when it looked like we'd be a bubble team. But so far our pick is "improving" too far ahead for him.

Left wing looks REALLY shallow without Tangradi. And center without O'Dell. Although there's still Brittain and Beleskey on LW and Macenauer at C that I like.

Randall Graves*

03-08-2009, 11:39 PM

Yeah but we gotta draft BPA, if we drafted need in 2003 for instance we may have ended up taking Mark Stuart who was speculated to be our pick in alot of mock drafts

snarktacular

03-08-2009, 11:54 PM

Yeah but we gotta draft BPA, if we drafted need in 2003 for instance we may have ended up taking Mark Stuart who was speculated to be our pick in alot of mock drafts
I wasn't saying to draft for a need. Although normally I do like to give that at least a little consideration. But our prospect pool is so barren that I'll take anything and everything that's available.

I gotta say though. Defense is hurting the most.

Static

03-09-2009, 12:03 AM

I wasn't saying to draft for a need. Although normally I do like to give that at least a little consideration. But our prospect pool is so barren that I'll take anything and everything that's available.

I gotta say though. Defense is hurting the most.

Really? Id have to disagree. We have two top three dmen in the system right now who have potential to be 2s, with three other possible top 4s (though they could top out as 5s). Forward wise, who right now do we have that has potential to be a real difference maker? I think we need to draft center or LW.

kenabnrmal

03-09-2009, 12:05 AM

This is a forward heavy draft though, he might end up like a Cam Barker in a "overrated because he's best of what's available." I know Ken still likes him.

Eh, scoring at a 50+ pt clip, seeing 20+min nights...I feel pretty comfortable in my Barker fandom at the moment.

I wouldn't mind hear what people's thoughts would be on trading the pick, particularly if it's a top 10. I don't know if it's something I'd like to see them do, and I don't know enough about these kids to really have an opinion either way. Just curious what you guys think...

Static

03-09-2009, 12:11 AM

Eh, scoring at a 50+ pt clip, seeing 20+min nights...I feel pretty comfortable in my Barker fandom at the moment.

I wouldn't mind hear what people's thoughts would be on trading the pick, particularly if it's a top 10. I don't know if it's something I'd like to see them do, and I don't know enough about these kids to really have an opinion either way. Just curious what you guys think...

Depends on if they are trading Pronger and what they can get for him. If they do trade Pronger, I would assume a 1st at the draft will be in play to Anaheim. If thats the case, and depending where the pick is, flipping our top 10 to another team for a player that can contribute now wouldnt be out of the question I dont think.

I really dont know what Murray's intentions are at this point...I know he said he isnt interested in just pure draft picks but I think he would be interested in using a top 10 pick to replenish the system just a little bit with a future (hopefully) impact player.

arinkrat*

03-09-2009, 01:49 AM

Is it too late to start tanking for a lottery pick?

Pepper

03-09-2009, 02:07 AM

Is it too late to start tanking for a lottery pick?

Kinda, we should have done that last week by trading Nieds and Prongs.

arinkrat*

03-09-2009, 02:22 AM

Kinda, we should have done that last week by trading Nieds and Prongs.

We've gone 0-2 since the trade deadline, so maybe there is still hope. Can the team go 0-18, or whatever, until the end of the season? I'm keeping my fingers crossed :p: Of course knowing this team, they'll screw this up too.

Bobby Smash

03-09-2009, 02:24 AM

i think anaheim is going to draft around 10th. maybe they could package pronger and that 10th pick and move into the top 3 or 4. maybe it would take more than that though.

Markus078

03-09-2009, 03:51 AM

i think anaheim is going to draft around 10th. maybe they could package pronger and that 10th pick and move into the top 3 or 4. maybe it would take more than that though.

I would prefer to use our pic to get Simon Despres. He will for sure be available at #10 IMO. Pronger should be used to get more ready Prospects. Honestly I don't think we will get a shot on Tavares or Hedman. Everyone else will take a little longer.

So if possible I would prefer something like:

Pronger + 2nd to STL for Pietrangelo and Perron
Pick: Simon Despres

If we can end up with this on draft day I would be really thrilled.

Kevin Forbes

03-09-2009, 08:28 AM

I would prefer to use our pic to get Simon Despres. He will for sure be available at #10 IMO. Pronger should be used to get more ready Prospects. Honestly I don't think we will get a shot on Tavares or Hedman. Everyone else will take a little longer.

So if possible I would prefer something like:

Pronger + 2nd to STL for Pietrangelo and Perron
Pick: Simon Despres

If we can end up with this on draft day I would be really thrilled.

St. Louis has a young team with a lot of potential. I don't think they'd be willing to sell off two of their young gems for a year with Pronger.

Markus078

03-09-2009, 02:50 PM

St. Louis has a young team with a lot of potential. I don't think they'd be willing to sell off two of their young gems for a year with Pronger.

I know and I have to say that you might be right. On the other side, there have been strong indications at the trading deadline that they want to give their fans a strong sign. And I have to say, STL is one of the most likely destinations for Pronger. I really hope it is. If we could end up with one of them plus the #1st of STL it would also be very good. Personally I would prefer Pietrangelo + #1st. Anyway, I think this will be an interesting offseason. And I really hope that Nieds will play another season. I think he would be the best mentor for Mitera because their game is so smart.

Anyway, to come back to topic. My choice would be, in that order:
Magnus Svensson Paajarvi - Top end talent, not much to say!
Simon Despres - I really like him. I would really love him here
Jared Cowen - For me the third best D in the draft behind Hedman and Despres
Scott Glennie - Highly underrated IMO because of Schenn

If one of them wears the Ducks jersey I would be really thrilled ;)

Buck Naked

03-09-2009, 03:14 PM

I still want Kassian. We are going to need a mean SoB back on D here soon.

snarktacular

03-09-2009, 10:14 PM

I still want Kassian. We are going to need a mean SoB back on D here soon.
Isn't Kassian a forward? Does he play both?

edit: oh and you want a mean Dman and I want a mean Dman, but consider this. The Ducks had the opporunity to get 2 appropriately ranked mean, physical Dmen and passed on both of them. Petrecki and Teubert. It seems like the Ducks are focusing on offensive skill or skating with their Dmen.
Really? Id have to disagree. We have two top three dmen in the system right now who have potential to be 2s, with three other possible top 4s (though they could top out as 5s). Forward wise, who right now do we have that has potential to be a real difference maker? I think we need to draft center or LW.
Well I think defense is mostly lacking quantity. It was worse before Whitney and Wisniewski, where we'd need 6 defensemen in ~3 years and with only about 6 D prospects. I'd like at least 2 prospects per anticipated hole (to account for bust factor). Although I guess it is a little better now that we'll have Whitney and possibly Wisniewski for a few years.

Also, there isn't a single #1 caliber guy. And possibly no #2's.

It's kind of interesting. We lack quantity at RW and D, and we lack quality at C and LW. Both at G. Although with Perry and Ryan, quantity at RW isn't that important.

Gutchecktime

03-23-2009, 06:04 PM

I'm kinda surprised that there were mentions of Kane, Kadri, MSP, Cowen here and even suggestions of trading up into the Top 3 and no one brought up Newell Brown's nephew, Matt Duchene.

snarktacular

03-26-2009, 02:20 AM

hf bit on Jared Cowen.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11051/2009_prospects_jared_cowen/

Interesting tidbit is he elected to have his CL surgery done by Michael Stuart. Father of Boston Dman Mark Stuart (and Thrashers fringe guy Colin Stuart).

The little run we're going on (yay, playoffs) probably moves the pick past where Cowen would go, but you never know with injury concerns.

snarktacular

05-15-2009, 05:57 PM

Bump.

Irrational picks I know little about but just have a random gut feeling about (both in the general range of our pick): Carter Ashton, David Rundblad, and Calvin De Haan.

Twindad

05-15-2009, 06:11 PM

I know nothing of these kids, except what I read on the boards.

Anyway, what is our pick, what selection are we? Does it go with how we finished before the playoffs, after or what?

Talentless Practise

05-15-2009, 06:13 PM

We pick at #15 as we had the worst record of the playoff teams. Very good kids available around there.

caliamad

05-15-2009, 06:47 PM

We'll have to see who slips through to #15. Wasn't Getzlaf drafted at #19 in a deep draft but dropped due to "attitude" problems?

jax00

05-15-2009, 10:37 PM

15? Damn, that's a actually a very good spot.

I for one hope we pick Zack Kassian.

Aceface

05-17-2009, 09:36 PM

I am hoping for chris kreider, or carter ashton........I would also be happy with scott gleannie and zack kassain

Bobby Smash

05-17-2009, 10:12 PM

to bad we dont have brian burke. he would turn that #15 into 1 later 1st rounder and 2 early 2nds.

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 11:49 AM

to bad we dont have brian burke. he would turn that #15 into 1 later 1st rounder and 2 early 2nds.

And make 3 mediocre picks...other than Ryan, his draft record wasn't very good at all...

TheJoeMan

05-18-2009, 12:07 PM

And make 3 mediocre picks...other than Ryan, his draft record wasn't very good at all...

Jake Gardiner is not a mediocre pick. Deschamps was supposed to be a first rounded and we snagged him in the second round. Good teams take time developing their prospects. You don't know what you're talking about.

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 12:38 PM

Jake Gardiner is not a mediocre pick. Deschamps was supposed to be a first rounded and we snagged him in the second round. Good teams take time developing their prospects. You don't know what you're talking about.

Deschamps had his stats padded by Pare (like Logan)...he had a setback this year after Pare had left...

Gardiner isn't a very good pick considering we gave up Tyler Myers to get him...

If you look at this team, we were in solid shape heading into the MacMillan draft...we reached hard for our first rounder, drafted Tangradi (not a bad pick, but he was traded), and Macenauer is the only other pick from that draft that looks decent (and he could easily have been picked 2-5 rounds later since half the Quebec league had no idea who he was let alone the NHL)

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 12:38 PM

And make 3 mediocre picks...other than Ryan, his draft record wasn't very good at all...

Strangely enough, Bobby Ryan was the first player drafted under the Burke era. What does that tell you?

Draft picks need time to come to fruition. It will still be years before anyone can fairly and accurately judge the Burke drafts in Anaheim's history. Besides, I'm not sure how much of an impact Burke had on Anaheim's drafting to begin with. The main braintrust that ran the draft ever since the departure of Gauthier (McNab, Murray and Chainey) has remained intact throughout Burke's time and now into the future. Based on Anaheim's draft tendencies, I would suspect that Burke didn't change much from what Bryan Murray put in place although this upcoming draft will say for sure.

mmbt

05-18-2009, 12:39 PM

Jake Gardiner is not a mediocre pick. Deschamps was supposed to be a first rounded and we snagged him in the second round. Good teams take time developing their prospects. You don't know what you're talking about.

Seriously, his first draft was in '05. The average age of NHL rookies has traditionally hovered around 22-23. Our '05 draftees are only just hitting that age now, never mind guys drafted from '06-08.

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 12:45 PM

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 12:49 PM

Looking at 08, we missed out on Luke Adam, Patrice Cormier, and Chris Doyle (all from the Q) so we could draft O'Dell (and his whopping 26 GP), Justin Schultz of the BCHL (when we could have had Sauve or Scandella)...Brittain looks like a good pick, Cousineau was a horrible pick (one good year for an 18 year-old goalie) given that Sateri, Tokarski and Poulin were all available, Brandon McMillan looks like a good pick (especially since he can play up front and on the back end), and I have no idea who the other players we picked are...

You're judging players after one season!

Only 12 of the 211 players drafted last June have even seen NHL action yet, and none of the players you just mentioned have played a single game in the league.

Like seriously man, don't ever buy a chicken farm, you'll be breaking all the eggs because they didn't hatch on the first day.

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 12:49 PM

Strangely enough, Bobby Ryan was the first player drafted under the Burke era. What does that tell you?

Draft picks need time to come to fruition. It will still be years before anyone can fairly and accurately judge the Burke drafts in Anaheim's history. Besides, I'm not sure how much of an impact Burke had on Anaheim's drafting to begin with. The main braintrust that ran the draft ever since the departure of Gauthier (McNab, Murray and Chainey) has remained intact throughout Burke's time and now into the future. Based on Anaheim's draft tendencies, I would suspect that Burke didn't change much from what Bryan Murray put in place although this upcoming draft will say for sure.

Well, hopefully, their decisions improve...it's one thing to move down, it's another to move down and basically waste the extra picks by drafting poorly...I was literally swearing at my PC when I saw that we had picked Deschamps...

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 12:50 PM

You're judging players after one season!

Only 12 of the 211 players drafted last June have even seen NHL action yet, and none of the players you just mentioned have played a single game in the league.

Like seriously man, don't ever buy a chicken farm, you'll be breaking all the eggs because they didn't hatch on the first day.

Actually, I felt they would have been better picks a year ago, and most of them improved significantly...

Talentless Practise

05-18-2009, 12:55 PM

Looking at the new ISS rankings, guys listed around our pick are Ellis, Schroeder, Holland, Moore and Ferraro. Given that we've drafte a lot of defensemen the past few years and the moves Murray made this season, i think we'll take a froward. Schroeder is an interesting option given his huge offensive upside but he lacks size badly. I don't know much about Holland, is he related to Ken Holland?

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As comes to our drafting, only MacMillan can so far be considered a bad pick and even he isn't a hopeless cause yet.

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 12:57 PM

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 12:58 PM

John Moore sounds interesting for our pick (or Despres) if we go D...on forward, I'd pick Landon Ferraro, Peter Holland, or if we wanted to stretch a bit, Louis Leblanc...

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 01:02 PM

As comes to our drafting, only MacMillan can so far be considered a bad pick and even he isn't a hopeless cause yet.

He is a bad pick...not a hopeless hockey player though...he could easily be a bottom 6 player and potentially a weak 2nd liner...

Bryce Swan is another terrible Burke-era pick...there have been a few bad ones

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 01:05 PM

Actually, I felt they would have been better picks a year ago, and most of them improved significantly...

Kudos to you then, I guess. Polish up the resume and send it off to some GMs.

Seriously though, I'm not going to pretend inside knowledge on why some players were chosen over the others, but you're using hindsight for your arguments for guys like Cormier, Doyle, Adam, Scandella, Sauve and Poulin. During their draft year, I personally had some questions about all those guys and judging from the way the draft went, so did other teams.

If teams would have known that Cormier could stay healthy and play a bit smarter on the ice, if teams would have known that Doyle would have matured to be more then just a kid with a shot, if teams would have known that Adam's skating would have improved enough that it didn't look like he was wearing rubber boots out there, I'm sure things would have been different.

There's still questions about those guys and questions about guys like Scandella (sure he responded to being given oodles of icetime, but how much is ability and how much is opportunity, someone had to score), Sauve (see Scandella), Poulin (looks like he's starting to get conventional goaltending coaching, but who is to say if there will be a happy marriage between his physical abilities and reflexes and baseboard things like positioning, angles and rebounds).

The same way there are still questions about the guys Anaheim did select. Who would Logan MacMillan be if he didn't have the concussion to start his 2007-08 season? O'Dell turned into Christensen, Schultz is likely 3 years away before anyone can even guess what he'll become, I personally don't like Cousineau, but I can understand why he might have been selected over Poulin, Deschamps isn't going to be a scorer at the NHL level and expectations that he will are misguided.

Talentless Practise

05-18-2009, 01:05 PM

Bryce Swan is another terrible Burke-era pick...there have been a few bad ones
You make it sound like every pick that doesn't pan out is a bad pick. For a 2nd rounder, the default is minor leaguer/depth NHL'er, not top-4 D or top-6 forward.

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Bryce Swan is another terrible Burke-era pick...there have been a few bad ones

Patrice Cormier could have easily become a Bryce Swan. Swan made his own bed.

Talentless Practise

05-18-2009, 01:19 PM

Bjindaho

05-18-2009, 01:20 PM

Kudos to you then, I guess. Polish up the resume and send it off to some GMs.

Seriously though, I'm not going to pretend inside knowledge on why some players were chosen over the others, but you're using hindsight for your arguments for guys like Cormier, Doyle, Adam, Scandella, Sauve and Poulin. During their draft year, I personally had some questions about all those guys and judging from the way the draft went, so did other teams.

If teams would have known that Cormier could stay healthy and play a bit smarter on the ice, if teams would have known that Doyle would have matured to be more then just a kid with a shot, if teams would have known that Adam's skating would have improved enough that it didn't look like he was wearing rubber boots out there, I'm sure things would have been different.

There's still questions about those guys and questions about guys like Scandella (sure he responded to being given oodles of icetime, but how much is ability and how much is opportunity, someone had to score), Sauve (see Scandella), Poulin (looks like he's starting to get conventional goaltending coaching, but who is to say if there will be a happy marriage between his physical abilities and reflexes and baseboard things like positioning, angles and rebounds).

The same way there are still questions about the guys Anaheim did select. Who would Logan MacMillan be if he didn't have the concussion to start his 2007-08 season? O'Dell turned into Christensen, Schultz is likely 3 years away before anyone can even guess what he'll become, I personally don't like Cousineau, but I can understand why he might have been selected over Poulin, Deschamps isn't going to be a scorer at the NHL level and expectations that he will are misguided.

We drafted a player that every major scouting agency had around the 25-40 range with the 16th overall pick...there were valid concerns there

Poulin had potential (a butterfly goalie that would benefit greatly from Allaire)...the bigger problem I have with this pick is Cousineau (who seems like an average at best goalie)

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 01:27 PM

Hey Kevin, what's your impression on Scott Glennie and Peter Holland?

-Which has the higher upside?
-Which is more NHL-ready? Given that 2nd line hole we have and that it will likely be filled with a FA stopgap, it'd be nice to have a potential solution in the system ready to step up in a couple years.

Everyone else's opinion is ofcourse very welcome.

PS. Maybe the way to go in the future is to just slip into the 8th spot and go from there. If it works out in the playoffs, great. If it doesn't, we get a good pick. Just kidding obv.

Edit. Glennie, not Ferraro.

I have no opinion. Haven't seen them. I focus pretty much on the Q these days. Sorry.

We drafted a player that every major scouting agency had around the 25-40 range with the 16th overall pick...there were valid concerns there

Poulin had potential (a butterfly goalie that would benefit greatly from Allaire)...the bigger problem I have with this pick is Cousineau (who seems like an average at best goalie)

The MacMillan selection had a lot to do with the interview, I believe. That's half the reason why I liked the pick, because I like the player.

The problem with Poulin is that he wasn't a butterfly goaltender in his draft year, he was all over the place. Did anything he could to stop the puck, but a lot of it was reflexes (or guessing if you want to get right down to it). When he was right, it was amazing to see and when he was wrong, it was dreadful to see. The only way to develop him would to either run with that style and see what happens (maybe Tim Thomas, more likely nothing) or to completely rebuild him. Judging from what he looked like this season, I think the Islanders are working with option 2.

snarktacular

05-18-2009, 02:01 PM

Strangely enough, Bobby Ryan was the first player drafted under the Burke era. What does that tell you?
Just to mess with you:

That Burke didn't have anything to do with drafting Ryan (too soon after he was hired)?

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 02:11 PM

Just to mess with you:

That Burke didn't have anything to do with drafting Ryan (too soon after he was hired)?

Fair enough. Burke has had many quotes about how impressed he was when the team interviewed Ryan. Burke might not have completely fingered Ryan as being that #2 overall pick, but he had a voice at the table.

Randall Graves*

05-18-2009, 06:15 PM

Deschamps had his stats padded by Pare (like Logan)...he had a setback this year after Pare had left...

Gardiner isn't a very good pick considering we gave up Tyler Myers to get him...

If you look at this team, we were in solid shape heading into the MacMillan draft...we reached hard for our first rounder, drafted Tangradi (not a bad pick, but he was traded), and Macenauer is the only other pick from that draft that looks decent (and he could easily have been picked 2-5 rounds later since half the Quebec league had no idea who he was let alone the NHL)
Deschamps played really well the second half of the year, he was a good choice and still has 2nd line center upside

Randall Graves*

05-18-2009, 06:18 PM

I see some mocks with us taking Kreider who is 6'1 and getting reviews as being the best skater in the draft, but my question is does he have the talent to match? or is he another Mathieu Dandenault..

Spankatola Jamnuts

05-18-2009, 07:32 PM

The MacMillan selection had a lot to do with the interview, I believe. That's half the reason why I liked the pick, because I like the player.

You like him, like personally? But what does he do?

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 08:10 PM

You like him, like personally? But what does he do?

He's a two way guy, has a decent shot, decent skating ability, average offensive skills, solid defensive abilities, above average in the faceoff dot, he's willing to engage the opposition physically, will drop the gloves. But those are all the on-ice things.

What I like about him is the drive, the determination, the never-quit. Anytime I've seen him drop the gloves, it's usually been to protect his teammates. He's always the first in the scrum, the first guy there to shove back if one of his linemates has been shoved down. Off the ice, he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, seems to understand that for all the ups, there will be down. I think he could wear a letter at some point in time.

But yes, his numbers in his draft year, specifically the second half and the playoffs, were likely inflated due to Voracek. I know, I had a front row seat for that. But he didn't get the chance to build off that at all in the next season because of the concussion and the troubles that followed. But he can't really be blamed for that and neither can Anaheim for picking him where they did. No one knew what the future held.

He's only shown flashes of what he can do since then. With Rimouski, he's been asked to take a smaller role, behind their big guns like Cormier, Caron, Cornet and Veilleux and he's done so without complaining and by doing what he can to help the team succeed.

He might never be more then a complementary player offensively and maybe he won't end up being better then Max Pacioretty (who is commonly brought up as the "other option"), but I still believe he'll be a useful NHL player in the future. It's a case of playing the hand that's dealt and while MacMillan might never be the player you all want him to be, he could still be a player.

Pwnasaurus

05-18-2009, 08:55 PM

I have a good friend who lives in Peterborough and I figured he'd be as good as anyone to tell me about Kassian since he's had season tickets and has done some work with the team in some capacity since the 80's...here's is the e-mail he sent me:

Kassian is a great kid, strong on the puck and likes to chuck 'em as well as score. Part of that might be that he's a bit stronger than most of the OHL competition, at this stage I'd say he's not NHL or even AHL ready but a) I'm no scout and b) I really hope he does make it so to say right now that he's pro material would be biased of me anyway. That being said, I've looked at the draft rankings and thought he'd be a great late first round pick for someone, then I had a look through previous drafts and saw tons of names from 25 to 35 that I recognized but they really didn't amount to much in the show. Time will tell, he is big and strong, has a wicked release, plays mean, likes to scrap, but, takes the stupid penalty way too often.

In a nutshell, great kid, good head on his shoulders, gritty, fights when he doesn't have to be the fighter and is mature beyond his age. Downside, takes stupid penalties, tries to pull your arm out of its socket when he shakes your hand, an almost typical high school big jock with a bit of a caveman side to him. He just happens to excel at hockey, not shot put.

Stupid penalties? He'll fit right in.

Talentless Practise

05-18-2009, 08:58 PM

I'm no scout but seems insane to me to spend a mid-first rounder for a player whose tools can only be described with "decent" and "average". Is attitude really the only thing MacMillan is "good" at?

Spankatola Jamnuts

05-18-2009, 09:03 PM

He's a two way guy, has a decent shot, decent skating ability, average offensive skills, solid defensive abilities, above average in the faceoff dot, he's willing to engage the opposition physically, will drop the gloves. But those are all the on-ice things.

What I like about him is the drive, the determination, the never-quit. Anytime I've seen him drop the gloves, it's usually been to protect his teammates. He's always the first in the scrum, the first guy there to shove back if one of his linemates has been shoved down. Off the ice, he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, seems to understand that for all the ups, there will be down. I think he could wear a letter at some point in time.

But yes, his numbers in his draft year, specifically the second half and the playoffs, were likely inflated due to Voracek. I know, I had a front row seat for that. But he didn't get the chance to build off that at all in the next season because of the concussion and the troubles that followed. But he can't really be blamed for that and neither can Anaheim for picking him where they did. No one knew what the future held.

He's only shown flashes of what he can do since then. With Rimouski, he's been asked to take a smaller role, behind their big guns like Cormier, Caron, Cornet and Veilleux and he's done so without complaining and by doing what he can to help the team succeed.

He might never be more then a complementary player offensively and maybe he won't end up being better then Max Pacioretty (who is commonly brought up as the "other option"), but I still believe he'll be a useful NHL player in the future. It's a case of playing the hand that's dealt and while MacMillan might never be the player you all want him to be, he could still be a player.

I don't think anyone said he couldn't be a player at all. But the words you chose says it yourself. He sounds like...I dunno, like he had maybe Ian Laperriere or Brian Skrudland potential. Useful players, maybe even necessary players, but not someone you'd like to see hit the podium in the 1st round.

Randall Graves*

05-18-2009, 10:23 PM

any possibility of trading up? I'd love to get Schroeder he really should be a top 5 pick but he's being wildly overlooked

Kevin Forbes

05-18-2009, 10:35 PM

I'm no scout but seems insane to me to spend a mid-first rounder for a player whose tools can only be described with "decent" and "average". Is attitude really the only thing MacMillan is "good" at?

I don't think anyone said he couldn't be a player at all. But the words you chose says it yourself. He sounds like...I dunno, like he had maybe Ian Laperriere or Brian Skrudland potential. Useful players, maybe even necessary players, but not someone you'd like to see hit the podium in the 1st round.

At the time of the draft, he looked like he could be much more. I definitely thought he would be much more. But the concussion and missing two months of hockey the year after he was drafted took an incredible toll at such a crucial point in his development. So I guess part of what you're seeing is projection, whereas the Ducks drafted him with the assumption that what they saw in the second half and in the playoffs was a sign of things to come and he would continue to improve and so far that hasn't been the case.

I don't know how fair it is to completely write him off as he still very well could become the player he was envisioned as becoming, just for right now, injuries and situations have limited that opportunity.

Spankatola Jamnuts

05-19-2009, 12:35 AM

At the time of the draft, he looked like he could be much more. I definitely thought he would be much more. But the concussion and missing two months of hockey the year after he was drafted took an incredible toll at such a crucial point in his development. So I guess part of what you're seeing is projection, whereas the Ducks drafted him with the assumption that what they saw in the second half and in the playoffs was a sign of things to come and he would continue to improve and so far that hasn't been the case.

I don't know how fair it is to completely write him off as he still very well could become the player he was envisioned as becoming, just for right now, injuries and situations have limited that opportunity.
Fair enough. I'll take your word for how he looked before.

Randall Graves*

05-19-2009, 12:44 AM

Also need to remember the 07 draft at the time was considered pretty weak after the top 7-10 players, sure there are always others scattered throughout the rest but what i'm not getting did we gamble, or did we make a safe pick?

I'm not a fan of safe picks for the fact not all "safe" picks amount to much, with that said Logan has some tools that can make him valuable, but he's atleast 3 years from making it unless he plays really well in the AHL next year

Aceface

05-19-2009, 01:01 AM

I'm hoping the ducks take Chris Kreider in the first round

GreatBear

05-19-2009, 10:03 AM

Almost any player drafted at 18 is a guess based upon projections about how well the player will perform in the future. At this time last year people were talking about Bobby Ryan as a bust for being chosen second in the Crosby draft. Now the Ryan decision is considered a good one.

There is a reason that many experts wait five years to evaluate a draft, to see how well all of the players develop. If Logan McMillan turns into a solid checking center or even a second line center during that period then his selection will be reasonably successful.

His mental attitude is very important. Just look at the toxic poison of Avery. A good player when he plays who turns the locker room to @#$! Compare that with Marchant, who is considered a real character guy and leader.

This is not to say that I am a fan of the choice. I actually am somewhay happier with the Brandon McMillan selection, with Brandon playing defense. He has, excluding coughing up the puck for a goal, played well in the Memorial Cup games that I have seen. However, as with Logan, we need to wait and see how they both develop. A player at 23 is vastly different than a player at 18.

Twindad

05-19-2009, 11:36 AM

GreatBear

05-19-2009, 12:28 PM

snarktacular

05-19-2009, 12:48 PM

I think MacMillan was chosen some 10 spots ahead of where he was ranked in most of the listings. Although I believe TSN (MacKenzie) had him going at around that spot.

I do remember when we made that selection I was like "Logan MacWho?" It's unusual that I don't at least know the name of a 1st round draftee.

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 01:21 PM

Quick question for you guys, as you know, I know nothing of these kids, before or after the draft. Question is, how do you guys know so much about these kids? and where do you guys see them or do you just read about them?

They do not televise much college or other hockey, so where do you guys see them play?

Kevin and I both live in Atlantic Canada, where Logan played up until his trade at Christmas...also, all QMJHL games are streamed at qmjhl.mytelus.com (not including Memorial Cup)

The thing is that I live in Saint John, where we had the worst team in the division that year, and I watched Voracek perform his magic show and Logan get points...I'm not saying Logan is a bad hockey player...just that I think his upside is Kunitz, and with a 16th overall pick, I'm not overly happy with a Kunitz...aside from a draft thread where I express dismay with how high we picked him, he is a solid player that will probably be in the NHL full time the year after next

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 01:22 PM

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 01:24 PM

Kevin Forbes

05-19-2009, 02:24 PM

Quick question for you guys, as you know, I know nothing of these kids, before or after the draft. Question is, how do you guys know so much about these kids? and where do you guys see them or do you just read about them?

They do not televise much college or other hockey, so where do you guys see them play?

Well, for a while there, it was my job.
I kept tabs on them through a number of ways: video, first-hand accounts from other HF staff or other contacts, interviews and talking to people in the organizations and so on.

I was surprised that MacMillan was selected that high, but I understand the selection and looking at the players selected after him, there's not many that fit the Ducks' blueprint and are of a higher caliber.

Static

05-19-2009, 02:28 PM

This is the last draft we can pick a highly regarded D with the chance to have them come to camp and spend all their time around Niedermayer/Pronger...I'd like to see us take advantage of that before we lose it...

The need for a center and LW, hell even RW, is greater than the need for a defensman at this point, in my opinion.

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 02:45 PM

The need for a center and LW, hell even RW, is greater than the need for a defensman at this point, in my opinion.

If we need a forward, we can sign one (or draft one later)...winning breeds winning

There are plenty of examples of great teams that made sure that they drafted at positions of strength so that their stars could teach the up-and-comers...

We could draft a forward but we aren't strong anywhere and the player we draft likely doesn't play for 2-3 years (after Pronger and Niedermayer leave, wouldn't it be nice if their replacements were actually mentored by them)

Twindad

05-19-2009, 02:45 PM

Thanks for the replies guys, I'll leave the "scouting" to you guys since I don't have the time to watch.

I'll have to agree with Static, we need a forward more than D men. Although within the next couple of years, we'll be without both Pronger and Niedermeyer. But we've drafted more D men recently I believe.

I see the point of having those two tutor the kids, but we're only talking camp and not much else.

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 02:45 PM

Drafting for a current need is never a good idea

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 02:46 PM

Twindad

05-19-2009, 02:58 PM

Drafting for a current need is never a good idea

For sure, But, and a big one at that, we are in the need to forwards none the less, now and in the future.

Professor John Frink

05-19-2009, 03:04 PM

For sure, But, and a big one at that, we are in the need to forwards none the less, now and in the future.

Then you draft them in the following rounds. Never ever draft for need. You draft whoever you have at the top of your list. We can get forwards in the later rounds to add depth if that is a worry.

Now I know someone will argue we don't have top end talent at the forward position but Im not really concerned with that. We can trade for scoring depth if we have an abundance of talent in other areas.

The biggest issue for the Duck perspective IMO is their lack of finding any considerable talent past the first round.

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 03:06 PM

For sure, But, and a big one at that, we are in the need to forwards none the less, now and in the future.

Our top line is under 25...at some point, we will pay some 2nd liners (or accept the ones we have)...worst case scenario with drafting Ds is that Carlyle makes them good and we trade them to make up our future FWs...

Twindad

05-19-2009, 03:19 PM

Bjindaho

05-19-2009, 03:25 PM

Not arguing just asking here, you guys say never draft for your needs, but we've moved down to get a certain player, was that for the player or position?

I've seen teams trade player and picks to land a certain player, is it not for the holes they have to fill?

Let's say that Olivier Roy was 10th on my list (he isn't necessarily but he'd probably be close)...if I know that he isn't going to be drafted anywhere near there, I trade down to get him (assuming he is the next best player on my list)...GMs use ISS, RLR, TSN, and other draft resources as hints to what others might do (so they don't take someone they really like too high)

It could easily happen with NYI if they take Hedman (take him at 2 instead of 1)

Twindad

05-19-2009, 03:33 PM

OK, I see

Thanks for the clarification.

So back on topic, we pick 15th or so Who do you guys realistically see us going for?

Do we have anything to offer to move up?

Professor John Frink

05-19-2009, 03:39 PM

OK, I see

Thanks for the clarification.

So back on topic, we pick 15th or so Who do you guys realistically see us going for?

Do we have anything to offer to move up?

It's so hard to tell. Because it all depends on who the Ducks brass has targeted. Personally unless we fell in love with someone at our spot at 15 would always try to trade down rather than up to acquire more picks.

Any team could move up. They just have to be willing to offer up future high picks/current NHL players. At this point I don't think Anaheim has the depth for this type of move.

Static

05-19-2009, 04:18 PM

Our top line is under 25...at some point, we will pay some 2nd liners (or accept the ones we have)...worst case scenario with drafting Ds is that Carlyle makes them good and we trade them to make up our future FWs...

You have to take salary into account, however. The thing about drafting and growing talent is that you dont have to pay them big money for a couple of years. Once Ryan gets paid that big line is going to take up over 15 million in salary...where are we going to get the money to "pay" the 2nd liners? From the loss of Nieds and Pronger? The organization has a recent history of growing forwards and going outside for dmen, and with the lack of a number one dman in the system I dont see that trend ending anytime soon.

That said, the system needs forwards badly. You can talk about the whole dont draft for need bit, but really, will there be anyone head and shoulders above the rest at our draft spot? Unless a major player drops for some unforeseeable reason I highly doubt that.

Talentless Practise

05-19-2009, 04:46 PM

with the lack of a number one dman in the system I dont see that trend ending anytime soon.
That Tyler Myers kid looks like a stud. I had a bad dream where we traded down, picked a project dman and used one of the extra picks to trade for Erik Christensen.:sarcasm:

Randall Graves*

05-19-2009, 06:12 PM

all i'm going to say is the ducks never take who we expect it seems they go off the board every year, so i'm not guessing this time around :)

jax00

05-19-2009, 08:11 PM

07 I thought they'd take Petrecki, MacMillan
08 I thought they'd trade up for Beach, took Gardnier
09 I think they'll take Kassian

Seems like they never pick the "Ducks Type" players.

Bjindaho

05-20-2009, 09:07 AM

The player I'd like to see is Despres...he has some nice raw tools that Carlyle could do wonders with...

Here are my lists, based on what I've seen:

Draft List
1. Duchene (great skater, good skills at both ends, likely to be the most complete hockey player in the draft)

2. Tavares (one-dimensional, but his one dimension (offense) is amazing)

3. Hedman (big guy that can skate (big question mark on his unwillingness to be physical) but great raw skills)

4. Schenn (plays a lot like Getzlaf does now, only with more caring)

5. Kane (another two-way forward, enough skill that he played his way on to Team Canada at the World Junior (albeit before Duchene really hit the radar), he has been compared to Iginla)

6. Kadri (the two-way forward draft has another...Nazem had a great playoff run last year, scoring timely goals...doesn't do anything quite as well as the others, but seems to produce when it matters)

7. MPS (has more offensive skills than the last three, but doesn't do as much in his own end...also some questions about his willingness to get dirty)

8. Despres (great raw talent...skates like Niedermayer...there have been questions about his decision-making, though a lot of those stem from poor coaching at the U-18s

9. Moore (can't actually remember him, but from what I've heard, he is solid...committed to Colorado College)

10. Kulikov (good skater, good passing, can get out-muscled...sometimes handles the puck like a grenade (though that can be fixed))

11, Cowen (injury is a big concern...there is definitely talent there, but I wouldn't use a high pick on someone who may not be able to come back to full speed...also, there are questions to how much offense he can provide)

12. Roy (only knock is his size, but he makes up for it with his great reflexes...has a good glove, and the cockiness to be a great goalie at the next level as well)

13. Schroeder (small, but quick...he has a nice shot...can he play in his own zone though?)

14. Leblanc (shifty, talented forward...huge transferability issue when he starts playing against bigger kids (reminds me a lot of Perron))

15. Ferraro (was a key cog for Canada's U-18 team...plays at both ends...similar to his father, Ray)

Do Not Overdraft

Ryan Ellis - small, lacks agility, and is average, at best, in his own zone in junior (would still draft if he was there in the 3rd-4th rounds, but not before)

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - always questionable when someone magically starts rising out of nowhere...especially when they have a bad tournament on the international stage...from what I saw, he looked like a smaller Hedman (some teams have him top 5, so it isn't even worth looking at where I'd draft him)

Zack Kassian - physical player, but there are questions whether his offense will translate (if he's there in the 2nd, I'd draft him...he is a "safe" player, likely to make it as a pro in some role)

Talentless Practise

05-20-2009, 10:06 AM

Can anyone list waht draft choices we have this summer? I know we don't have a second this year but after that i've no idea.

I would love to get Mikko Koskinen if he's still available in the 3rd round. I saw him for about 30 games this year and i think he's ready to be a no.1 in the AHL next year and provide instant depth at the position. Could also backup JSG after next season if all goes well.

TheJoeMan

05-20-2009, 02:49 PM

Can anyone list waht draft choices we have this summer? I know we don't have a second this year but after that i've no idea.

I got this from wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt:

1st: 15th
2nd: none-Traded to Wash for Sutherby
3rd:76nd
4th:106th* I believe this pick may go to Chicago because of the Pahlsson trade but it was conditional. Don't know the conditions. Also I believe we still can get a pick from San Jose for the Moen trade.
5th:135th
6th:165th
7:None-swapped with Flyers last year.

Now I don't really trust the info from Wikipedia. This sight http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/2009.htm has a thorough breakdown on what conditional picks we might get but they don't know the conditions either.

iLau

05-30-2009, 03:39 AM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=280255

Good article on the results of the different physical tests prospects have done so far.

Pwnasaurus

06-01-2009, 01:28 AM

I took Kadri in the moderator's mock draft. I thought he fell a bit to 15 IMO. I had intentions on going off the board a bit but I figured Kadri was too good to pass on at 15.

snarktacular

06-01-2009, 01:40 AM

Who was available at 15?

Who was picked before?

Randall Graves*

06-01-2009, 04:58 AM

I wish we could trade up and get Schroeder, he's so dynamic and underrated he reminds me of Kariya when he was good.

Pwnasaurus

06-01-2009, 09:00 AM

Who was available at 15?

Who was picked before?

1 New York Islanders: John Tavares - C - London (OHL)
2 Tampa Bay Lightning: Victor Hedman - D - Modo (SEL)
3 Colorado Avalanche: Matt Duchene - C - Brampton (OHL)
4 Atlanta Thrashers: Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson - LW - Timra (SEL)
5 Los Angeles Kings: Evander Kane - C - Vancouver (WHL)
6 Phoenix Coyotes: Brayden Schenn - C - Brandon (WHL)
7 Toronto Maple Leafs: Jared Cowen - D - Spokane (WHL)
8 Dallas Stars: Dmitry Kulikov - D - Drummondville (QMJHL)
9 Ottawa Senators: Oliver Ekman-Larsson - D - Leksand (Allsvenskan)
10 Edmonton Oilers: Jordan Schroeder - C - Minnesota (WCHA)
11 Nashville Predators: Jacob Josefson - C - Djurgarden (SEL)
12 Minnesota Wild: Ryan Ellis - D - Windsor (OHL)
13 Buffalo Sabres: Chris Kreider - C - Phillips Andover (HS)
14 Florida Panthers: Scott Glennie - C - Brandon (WHL)

Jerky Leclerc

06-02-2009, 07:48 PM

Chistov23

06-02-2009, 09:20 PM

The Ducks have consistently traded down their picks in the past few drafts. We traded down for Logan McMillian and last year, we traded down for Jake Gardiner. I think the Ducks draft pick is definitely on the table once again this year. I don't see that guy there at #15 that shouts out "MUST HAVE!"

Also, we have no 2nd round pick that I am aware of, which made me think the other day that Murray would look to move down 5-7 spots or so and try to pick up a 2nd.

Ducksforcup

06-02-2009, 09:31 PM

The Ducks have consistently traded down their picks in the past few drafts. We traded down for Logan McMillian and last year, we traded down for Jake Gardiner. I think the Ducks draft pick is definitely on the table once again this year. I don't see that guy there at #15 that shouts out "MUST HAVE!"

Especially considering that we don't have a 2nd rounder this season.

karacter

06-04-2009, 02:33 AM

Kadri seems like would be a stretch to drop to the 15th spot, I really have liked what I have read and stats from Peter Holland. Is already 6'1 and 180 too.

Pwnasaurus

06-04-2009, 08:38 AM

Kadri seems like would be a stretch to drop to the 15th spot, I really have liked what I have read and stats from Peter Holland. Is already 6'1 and 180 too.

Yeah I considered him as well however Kadri seemed too good to pass up at this point.

Markus078

06-04-2009, 11:41 AM

Kadri seems like would be a stretch to drop to the 15th spot, I really have liked what I have read and stats from Peter Holland. Is already 6'1 and 180 too.

I really don't see Kadri falling that low. If he does, damn we will get the future #2 center and a really good one. I would be thrilled. Kreider would also be cool. I think he is more likely to fall.

Jerky Leclerc

06-04-2009, 12:03 PM

I really don't see Kadri falling that low. If he does, damn we will get the future #2 center and a really good one. I would be thrilled. Kreider would also be cool. I think he is more likely to fall.

Every year, there is that guy who people wonder why he is dropping so low. Sometimes, it is a matter of teams liking a guy better than Kadri. If Ryan Getzlaf can drop from top 10 to #19, anything can happen.

karacter

06-04-2009, 03:47 PM

Markus078

06-04-2009, 04:36 PM

Every year, there is that guy who people wonder why he is dropping so low. Sometimes, it is a matter of teams liking a guy better than Kadri. If Ryan Getzlaf can drop from top 10 to #19, anything can happen.

Getzlaf had serious character questionsmarks at the draft. I don't know if there are some issues in Kadri's off ice behaviour. Don't get me wrong, I would love him here. He is such a fine two way player and he can turn out really well. I have high hopes in Deschamps as well and honestly they can form a nice duo with tons of speed and two way skills. Basicly I hoped that we could eventually snap Glennie if we draft a forward. Kadri would be too good.

Btw TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=280575)
has Kadri rising

Maybe we will have more first rounders. If Pronger gets moved a #1st rounder is possible. If Kadri starts falling I don't see any reason to move up ;)

snarktacular

06-14-2009, 05:46 PM

A bevy of HF articles on the top ___ draft prospects in the ___.

QMJHL (by our very own turncoat Kevin) (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11257/top25_qmjhl_prospects_for2009/), WHL (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11265/top25_whl_prospects_for2009/), OHL (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11264/top25_ohl_prospects_for2009/), NCAA (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11263/top10_ncaa_prospects_for_the2009_draft/), Germany (the heck?) (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11262/top6_germany_prospects_for2009_draft/), Finland (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11261/top10_finnish_prospects_for2009_draft/), and Russia (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11260/top10_russia_prospects_for2009/).

I'm reading through them now so no comment as of yet, but the WHL ratings look interesting.

Markus078

06-15-2009, 02:07 AM

TSN Mock Draft (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281920) sees us picking Kulikov at #15. Honestly I would be surprised he would be available that late.

karacter

06-15-2009, 04:02 AM

Ashton sounds like a Ducks type player, there is no way I would want to take him at #15, but if we trade down to get a 2nd rounder and a late first he sounds promising. He is big bodied and they rave about his shot, so in 2/3 years, seems like he would fit in perfectly with the twins on the top line as the bolded parts point out.

Carter Ashton per TSN - #27
"A big bodied Ashton barreling down the wing towards the net can be a dangerous offensive player. He certainly has enough hockey sense and puck skills to be a top two-line winger in the NHL one day. His ability to play with other skilled players, read the developing play and put himself in a position to be useful is an asset. He has the puck handling to keep control of the puck in traffic and does not get too rattled with players all over him. Ashton's calling card is his shot, which gets away quickly and it has power and surprising accuracy in close quarters. What makes Ashton intriguing besides his size and skating is his goal scoring. Of his 30 goals this season, Ashton posted five game winning goals, four first goals and one insurance marker - impressive for a player that only scored five goals all last season. The part of Ashton's game that is inconsistent is his assertiveness when it comes to his physical game and his overall play without the puck. He has the potential to play a reliable defensive game, but has not put it all together just yet. He should with time. If a team is patient with him over the next three years they could be well rewarded once he fully matures."

karacter

06-15-2009, 04:20 AM

TSN Mock Draft (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281920) sees us picking Kulikov at #15. Honestly I would be surprised he would be available that late.

I agree, I see a lot of people ranking him right after Cowen around #8-10. Kadri seems to be dropping to everyone but I would love to get him at #15, he had a strong post season which the Ducks love and can do everything.

Elvstrand

06-15-2009, 05:48 AM

Paul4587

06-15-2009, 05:51 AM

Carter Ashton per TSN - #27
"A big bodied Ashton barreling down the wing towards the net can be a dangerous offensive player. He certainly has enough hockey sense and puck skills to be a top two-line winger in the NHL one day. His ability to play with other skilled players, read the developing play and put himself in a position to be useful is an asset. He has the puck handling to keep control of the puck in traffic and does not get too rattled with players all over him. Ashton's calling card is his shot, which gets away quickly and it has power and surprising accuracy in close quarters. What makes Ashton intriguing besides his size and skating is his goal scoring. Of his 30 goals this season, Ashton posted five game winning goals, four first goals and one insurance marker - impressive for a player that only scored five goals all last season. The part of Ashton's game that is inconsistent is his assertiveness when it comes to his physical game and his overall play without the puck. He has the potential to play a reliable defensive game, but has not put it all together just yet. He should with time. If a team is patient with him over the next three years they could be well rewarded once he fully matures."

Where did you find that scouting report on TSN? I looked everywhere and couldn't find it.

Markus078

06-15-2009, 07:24 AM

Where did you find that scouting report on TSN? I looked everywhere and couldn't find it.

Click me ;) (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281920)

Kevin Forbes

06-15-2009, 09:52 AM

snarktacular

06-15-2009, 10:41 AM

Markus078

06-15-2009, 11:07 AM

karacter

06-15-2009, 01:23 PM

Professor John Frink

06-15-2009, 01:40 PM

Twindad

06-15-2009, 02:48 PM

Anaheim Calling

06-15-2009, 03:11 PM

I think the general consensus is that he won't fall that far. One of the Hockey's Future video features recently pointed out how high the scouts have gotten on him. "Ready to play in the NHL now" apparently.

I would think we'd happily take him if he fell that far, especially since Martin Madden is our Director of Amateur Scouting. He loves the Q. Kinda miss Alain Chainey, but as has been said in this thread, the Ducks have had late-round problems, and Chainey was at the helm for the last dozen years.

snarktacular

06-15-2009, 04:29 PM

I really don't get why everyone wants to trade down. Last draft was different IMO. There was a group of 7-8 players which our staff rated as very good. Then there was a downfall and for that reason trading down for a project was a solid idea.

This season the draft is deeper and whats more important deeper with high end players and we can get one of them. Trading down will just lead to another project. Honestly I think we will end up trading Pronger or someone else for the additional pick.
But isn't that kind of what this year is too?

It seems like there's ~6-7 elite talents. Then a big plateau of excellent talents. The caliber of player in the tier is higher than last year, but the spread is similar in size. If they feel they can get just as good of a guy at 20 than 15 - or the very same guy they've targeted, just with a later pick- (ie 2003 15 = Robert Nilsson, 20 = Brent Burns), then it could make sense to trade down. Also consider that we don't have a 2nd round pick, and the 2 rounds are thought to be pretty good as a whole.

Although that TSN thing said something interesting.

"This year's crop is stronger than in the past, as there is a group of potential elite prospects in the Top 15. The remaining 15 draft picks in the first round have array of good skills and teams may find first round-worthy talent in the early second round."

Jerky Leclerc

06-15-2009, 05:29 PM

Mock draft at TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281920

They say we took Dmitry Kulikov - 6-0/195 - Defence - (Drummondville/QMJHL)

Like I've said numerous times, I don't know these kids, would you be happy with that pick? He sounds good.

I rather stay away from Euros as our draft record is not so good. I know Kulikov has been playing in the Q but lets go NA here.

Anaheim Calling

06-15-2009, 06:14 PM

I rather stay away from Euros as our draft record is not so good. I know Kulikov has been playing in the Q but lets go NA here.

Well, first, he's Russian, not European and our draft record with Russians is actually good, even though we haven't taken one since 2001. We've maybe had bad luck in the SEL, but that's no reason to say we have a bad draft record throughout the entire continent of Europe and into Eurasia.

I won't argue that the Ducks prefer players of North American origin, but unless that preference is purely racial, I'd think they'd be happy to have a Russian kid who went out of his way to come to a North American program (and had a dynamite season doing it). And as I said earlier, I'd think our draft record would change a bit under Madden.

Oh, and does anyone know when Hockeysfuture is doing a Ducks Draft Preview? Sorry if someone's already asked that.

Paul4587

06-15-2009, 07:19 PM

Well, first, he's Russian, not European and our draft record with Russians is actually good.

Chistov and Smirnov were good picks?

Anaheim Calling

06-15-2009, 07:30 PM

Chistov and Smirnov were good picks?

Well, despite consistency issues, I think Chistov's contribution to the 2003 playoff run was valuable. But 'good' was not intended as 'flawless.' Smirnov and Chistov versus Tverdovsky and Vishnevsky, then Bryzgalov in the 2nd round? I don't think you can call NA on the continents of Europe and Asia because Smirnov didn't pan out. But that's just me, I guess.

snarktacular

06-15-2009, 07:44 PM

because If there is no one we are sold on a t 15, we might as well trade down to 23 or so and also pick up the 55th pick or however it may be. Just another pick in the top 60 of what is supposedly supposed to be a deed draft.

I like what I have read about Holland too(never seen him play), but for whatever reason his stock is dropping. That said, I wouldn't mind trading down and picking up a 2nd rounder in order to draft either Ashton or Holland. But, If Kulikov or Kadri is there, I have no qualms picking them.
Now Holland is someone I haven't got a good impression of. Granted I'm just going off of gut and what little I've read.

But just look at the TSN thing
"The concerns in his game are the fact he does not do enough dirty work or show a consistent effort on every shift. He does not play in heavy traffic on a regular basis and that will affect his contribution at the pro level."

That's my kiss of death. I avoid those kinds of players like the plague.

HF says this "On the ice, his hockey sense is not as good as those above him." That's my peeve #2 in a prospect.

Although I haven't really seen any of these guys play so I'm probably the last person who should be talking.

Randall Graves*

06-15-2009, 10:28 PM

Anaheim Calling

06-16-2009, 01:12 AM

Of possible D at 15, I like Despres he looks like a possible game breaking D. John Moore looks good in the video i've seen as well..

At forward i'm praying for Jordan Schroeder but that's doubtful, Budish is a really talented player as well who should be there

What do you mean by game breaking D for Despres? He's a great shutdown guy, but he's never struck me as a game breaker. And I'm still not sure why he fell down to 30 in the May ISS.

I like Moore, too. Not sure how 11-14 will play out, but if it looks like Malloy's draft for TSN, I can't see the Panthers taking Moore before Kulikov. Not with all the hype that Kulikov has.

I like your thinking with Schroeder, but I think McNab's the only one in the front office who still loves the little guy. I'm a Gophers fan, so I'm secretly hoping for it, too. He showed great upper body strength at the combine, and I know he can chase pucks into corners. I wouldn't go with Budish after that knee injury. Not at 15.

snarktacular

06-16-2009, 01:42 AM

For some reason, Moore didn't give me that feeling like I had with Carlson last year. It seems like everybody's all excited for him based on Carlson's success. But now that I saw that video, I'm digging Moore, well, moore now.

Budish I'm wary of. Injury. They mostly talk about his tools and not his success. But mostly it's just a feeling.

And since I made it for the Tavares thread, I figured I'd put it here too.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5779/jeanluctavard.jpg
Jean-Luc Tavard. Facepalm.

edit: oh, and we have to get this guy. Just look at his first picture.
ffEsVr4Al3E

Markus078

06-16-2009, 01:53 AM

With all due respect. You assume to know who the Ducks value at the draft. Maybe the guy they really want looks to be available at 22? Maybe the guy they want is at 13?

My point is if you want to express who they like or speculate who they should take that is one thing. But to pretend to know who they are targeting or what they want just seems silly.

I understand and thats what I basicly wanted to say. Trading down is only wise if the player the staff wants is there. Sometimes here people tend to collect draftpics thats something I don't understand. The key is to get the players they want and not the amount.

Randall Graves*

06-16-2009, 02:12 AM

Anaheim Calling

06-16-2009, 02:40 AM

For some reason, Moore didn't give me that feeling like I had with Carlson last year. It seems like everybody's all excited for him based on Carlson's success. But now that I saw that video, I'm digging Moore, well, moore now.

I think there are comparisons to Carlson, but that's only because USHL games don't have much visibility. I don't feel he's piggy-backing on Carlson's success in any way. They're very different.

Moore's done a lot of correspondent stuff for the Pipeline guys. He seems like a good kid, great work ethic, still growing (and performed well in the upper body strength tests at the combine) and I put a lot of stock in McGuire saying he might be the best pure skater in the draft this year. He's a Rafe Aybar student, so I don't sense any exaggeration there.

I hope the Ducks pick him. He definitely fits the mold of what they usually want, right down to playing for a WCHA team next year (I doubt he'll go to Kitchener instead).

karacter

06-16-2009, 04:31 AM

for anyone that doesn't know there are some draft profiles on YouTube for 30 or so guys.

Bjindaho

06-16-2009, 05:45 PM

What do you mean by game breaking D for Despres? He's a great shutdown guy, but he's never struck me as a game breaker. And I'm still not sure why he fell down to 30 in the May ISS.

I like Moore, too. Not sure how 11-14 will play out, but if it looks like Malloy's draft for TSN, I can't see the Panthers taking Moore before Kulikov. Not with all the hype that Kulikov has.

I like your thinking with Schroeder, but I think McNab's the only one in the front office who still loves the little guy. I'm a Gophers fan, so I'm secretly hoping for it, too. He showed great upper body strength at the combine, and I know he can chase pucks into corners. I wouldn't go with Budish after that knee injury. Not at 15.

Being from Saint John, I see a ton of Despres...he is a silky smooth skater and a big kid who is good in his own end, but who can struggle in the offensive zone (ala Bouwmeester)...

He is someone who may take a while to figure out the offensive game (at least goals-wise), though there are some things you have to take into consideration:

1) Saint John plays a system that stifles offensive defense-men...Alex Grant, who is as good, if not better, than Kris Letang offensively, would not have scratched 50 points on SJ...Sauve hit 30-something, so did Despres, and Stich hit 29, I think...in other words, switch Despres and Kulikov and you see a monstrous difference...

2) He plays the left point on our PP...I have no idea why but this was a large part of why he only had 2 goals...

3) He got more and more comfortable with the puck as the season went on...at the end of the year, it got to the point where fans were left wondering if he'd go end to end anytime he touched the puck, because he honestly had the speed to do it almost every time...

He may be someone who leaves you wanting more offensively, but the kid is immensely talented...if he is available at 15, we should jump on him as fast as possible...

rountree9

06-16-2009, 06:02 PM

I'm hoping that trade sending pronger to LA for johnson and a fifth overall pick pops up again. If the ducks were able to get that pick they could take kane or schenn, two solid canadian forwards who would put some good numbers.

TheJoeMan

06-16-2009, 07:55 PM

Hockey Duckie

06-16-2009, 11:24 PM

Well, despite consistency issues, I think Chistov's contribution to the 2003 playoff run was valuable. But 'good' was not intended as 'flawless.' Smirnov and Chistov versus Tverdovsky and Vishnevsky, then Bryzgalov in the 2nd round? I don't think you can call NA on the continents of Europe and Asia because Smirnov didn't pan out. But that's just me, I guess.

I thought we drafted D-man Smid and became a huge component to get Prongs?

BraveSirRobin

06-17-2009, 02:02 AM

The HF mock draft had us taking Louis Leblanc. He sounds like someone who'd fit in well with the team. There's video of him on youtube and judging from that he certainly isn't opposed to going into the boards to fight for the puck. I rather like the sound of the kid, I wouldn't oppose to seeing us draft him.

Finnpin

06-17-2009, 04:16 AM

15th overall get a forward and somewhere down in the draft get goalie Mikko Koskinen...he is the "monster" 6,6-6,7 without the skates...(Gustavsson is only around 6,3) :laugh:

Anaheim Calling

06-17-2009, 02:50 PM

Being from Saint John, I see a ton of Despres...he is a silky smooth skater and a big kid who is good in his own end, but who can struggle in the offensive zone (ala Bouwmeester)...

He is someone who may take a while to figure out the offensive game (at least goals-wise), though there are some things you have to take into consideration:

1) Saint John plays a system that stifles offensive defense-men...Alex Grant, who is as good, if not better, than Kris Letang offensively, would not have scratched 50 points on SJ...Sauve hit 30-something, so did Despres, and Stich hit 29, I think...in other words, switch Despres and Kulikov and you see a monstrous difference...

2) He plays the left point on our PP...I have no idea why but this was a large part of why he only had 2 goals...

3) He got more and more comfortable with the puck as the season went on...at the end of the year, it got to the point where fans were left wondering if he'd go end to end anytime he touched the puck, because he honestly had the speed to do it almost every time...

He may be someone who leaves you wanting more offensively, but the kid is immensely talented...if he is available at 15, we should jump on him as fast as possible...

Thanks for the breakdown. I've seen a bit of him, too, and that was the impression I got. He offers shutdown at the expense of the offensive production that most of the other First Round D have. I just wasn't sure what was meant by "Game Breaker." I rarely hear that used to describe purely defensive blueline play in hockey.

Anaheim Calling

06-17-2009, 02:56 PM

WOOPS! Sorry for the double post. Won't happen again.

I thought we drafted D-man Smid and became a huge component to get Prongs?

Smid was actually Czech, playing in a Czech program when we drafted him.

I was just saying that dismissing "Euros" was overbroad. If you don't buy Kulikov's performance in The Q, that's fine. But our record drafting Russians from Russian programs is not so bad that we need to call NA on all of Europe and Asia.

wesott11

06-18-2009, 04:27 AM

Hockey Duckie

06-18-2009, 10:28 AM

Go_Krog

06-18-2009, 11:13 AM

i hope they find a way to trade up for once.

Elvstrand

06-18-2009, 11:41 AM

i hope they find a way to trade up for once.

I really doubt it will happen as we already have so few picks. Only way I could see it happening if it was a deal including Pronger.

snarktacular

06-18-2009, 12:04 PM

why the talk of drafting a defenseman with our first? its obvious that our second line will be non existant once teemu retires and id like to see murray do something about that this draft. i mean with mikkelson, festerling, salcido and mitera competing against each other for call-ups, and gardiner, schultz(maybe?) and kampfer(maybe?) still at least a year away, i think we are set for now... what we should do is trade down a pick or two and try and aqcuire a late 2nd or early 3rd, draft a skilled winger with our first and maybe draft a defenseman with our aqcuired pick.

i mean id hate to see a 2nd line hired through free agency next year.
The forwards at 15 aren't going to step into the NHL away either. And by trading down, we'd get a forward who's even less NHL-ready since later picks tend to take longer. So if they plan to compete next season (vs rebuild), then they'd have to sign a 2nd line either way. Unless Christensuck or Ebbett or somebody else really steps up.

And IMO, the prospect pool needs high end everything. D included. The D prospects we do have are big on number and NHL-nearness, but are still questionable top pairing caliber (no sure things, and no studs). Although you might be right in that we might lack top-6 caliber forwards a little more (with no obvious top line potential guys, but like 3 possible 2nd line guys in Beleskey, Deschamps, and Bonino... and MacMillan/Macenauer).

wesott11

06-18-2009, 01:04 PM

How do you expect to get a skilled winger with less talent on the board and trade down? The org should take the best player available even if it means getting a d-man. A quality prospect can fetch more than having a quantity of draft picks.

well im hearing differant views from 2 sides... one side says this is a weak draft, another side says this draft is deeper than most... IF the side saying its a deep draft is right, id be all for trading down to nab a good winger. (perry was grabbed at what number in '03?)

and assuming pronger is shipped out at the draft, (pleeeease!) then im assuming we could get at least another first, so we could take two forwards with our firsts and with our second we traded down for grab a defenseman.

i think anaheim has always drafted for need, not finding the best player available... i think thats a sloppy strategy

mmbt

06-18-2009, 01:27 PM

i think anaheim has always drafted for need, not finding the best player available... i think thats a sloppy strategy

Considering that for most of this franchise's history the team has needed pretty much everything but a goaltender, I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion.

TheJoeMan

06-18-2009, 01:53 PM

why the talk of drafting a defenseman with our first? its obvious that our second line will be non existant once teemu retires and id like to see murray do something about that this draft. i mean with mikkelson, festerling, salcido and mitera competing against each other for call-ups, and gardiner, schultz(maybe?) and kampfer(maybe?) still at least a year away, i think we are set for now... what we should do is trade down a pick or two and try and aqcuire a late 2nd or early 3rd, draft a skilled winger with our first and maybe draft a defenseman with our aqcuired pick.

i mean id hate to see a 2nd line hired through free agency next year.

Good teams don't address problems to their lineup in the draft, never. A team like Anaheim drafts the best player available and that's what Murray is going to do next Friday. If at 15 they feel that player is a defenseman than he'll take a defenseman. If it's a forward he'll take a forward. Whatever kid we draft is two-three years away from making an impact so drafting said player to address holes we have in the lineup now is irresponsible.

We have kids in the system that might be able to fill that second line role in a year or two. Then again they may not. But free agency and trading are the perferable method to improving your lineup. We have been a successful team for the last four years because this is how our GM's have done it.

Anaheim Calling

06-18-2009, 03:34 PM

why the talk of drafting a defenseman with our first? its obvious that our second line will be non existant once teemu retires and id like to see murray do something about that this draft. i mean with mikkelson, festerling, salcido and mitera competing against each other for call-ups, and gardiner, schultz(maybe?) and kampfer(maybe?) still at least a year away, i think we are set for now... what we should do is trade down a pick or two and try and aqcuire a late 2nd or early 3rd, draft a skilled winger with our first and maybe draft a defenseman with our aqcuired pick.

i mean id hate to see a 2nd line hired through free agency next year.

Everyone's kind of already said it, but I thought I'd jump in and say that if we HAD an elite defenceman prospect, we wouldn't have shuffled mikkelson, festerling and salcido. AND Festerling would have made the cut before the season. AND we wouldn't have seen the need to make moves for Montador and 2nd year NHL defensemen like McIver and Brookbank. Our activity at defense defines us as the opposite of "set."

Mitera's injury was nasty enough to where I'm not sure if he'll jump right to the NHL this year, or if he'll play a half season or what. He was good in his few games back, but he didn't look great in the tournament, though no one on Mich did. And I Slingbox FSN North, so I've seen quite a bit of Gardiner. He learned a lot from McBain, but I think watching them side by side, you weren't sure if he'd ever get to McBain's level.

IMO, drafting a skilled forward in the first round is the hardest thing to do at 15th. I have to agree with the HF staff's mock draft, which looks like it has Glennie and Kadri going in the lottery picks. If nobody "falls" to 15th, a lot of the other forwards are coin flips.

S.S. Giggy

06-18-2009, 04:23 PM

Good teams don't address problems to their lineup in the draft, never. A team like Anaheim drafts the best player available and that's what Murray is going to do next Friday. If at 15 they feel that player is a defenseman than he'll take a defenseman. If it's a forward he'll take a forward. Whatever kid we draft is two-three years away from making an impact so drafting said player to address holes we have in the lineup now is irresponsible.

We have kids in the system that might be able to fill that second line role in a year or two. Then again they may not. But free agency and trading are the perferable method to improving your lineup. We have been a successful team for the last four years because this is how our GM's have done it.

Murray's a good scout and when the draft comes, I believe he'll not only take the best one available, but the one that the team desperately needs.

heusy_79

06-18-2009, 05:42 PM

I think a forward should definitely be at the top of our list. I'd be happy with one of Glennie, Ashton ( one of the biggest sleepers IMO), Kassian or Leblanc.

wesott11

06-18-2009, 08:12 PM

im not saying we shouldnt draft a defenseman, just not with our 1st. i understand no position looks amazing for us, but our offensive prospect pool is AWFUL!

Go_Krog

06-18-2009, 08:24 PM

if Pajaarvi is still on the board at 7 id love it if Murray could tempt burke with some former players of his to swap picks. that kid looks impressive.

wesott11

06-18-2009, 09:17 PM

if Pajaarvi is still on the board at 7 id love it if Murray could tempt burke with some former players of his to swap picks. that kid looks impressive.

thats something id be all for. he looks VERY impressive. out with one finn, in with another. :laugh:

heusy_79

06-18-2009, 10:21 PM

thats something id be all for. he looks VERY impressive. out with one finn, in with another. :laugh:
MSP is a Swede isn't he?

heusy_79

06-18-2009, 10:28 PM

Just came across a Scott Cullen article on TSN.com that breaks down the values of first round picks from the past 30 years. Pretty interesting read:
http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?id=282241

At one point he brings up the fact that for some strange reason, 15th overall picks from the past several years have rendered many flops,

"If historical trends count for anything, the Ducks ought to be shopping that 15th overall pick for anything they can get. It's an odd quirk that the pick in the middle of the range provides similar value to the 29th and 30th overall selections. Part of the reason is that the bust factor at 15 has been downright spectacular since 1997."

It can't be anything more than a coincidence but he's definitely right about the 15th overall picks from 1997-2005: Matt Zultek, Mathieu Chouinard, Scott Kelman, Artem Kryukov, Igor Knyazev, Jesse Niinimaki, Robert Nilsson, Alexander Radulov and Ryan O'Marra :help: The only one of those guys playing in the NHL is Nilsson...maybe we should trade up or down just to be safe. :sarcasm:

wesott11

06-18-2009, 11:15 PM

MSP is a Swede isn't he?

aw dang it i think he is. :laugh: sounded good tho right??? either way i'd like to see murray take a chance on drafting him

snarktacular

06-19-2009, 12:14 AM

Isn't Kelman the pick we traded for Tverdovsky? Now there's a blast from the past.

mmbt

06-19-2009, 01:37 AM

Isn't Kelman the pick we traded for Tverdovsky? Now there's a blast from the past.

Yeah, but maybe the 15th pick is due for a boom instead of a bust.

Pepper

06-19-2009, 04:41 AM

MSP is a Swede isn't he?

A swede with a half-finnish name. His mother/father is finnish. Just like Pronger who has a finnish mother.

Elvstrand

06-19-2009, 07:01 AM

I hope we can pick up Alex Chiasson. But that's unlikely as he will probably go in the 2nd round.

And yes, I did change my username.

Talentless Practise

06-19-2009, 08:59 AM

aw dang it i think he is. :laugh: sounded good tho right??? either way i'd like to see murray take a chance on drafting himIf we want to look at replacing an aging Finn with a young, similar player then we have to trade down to get an early 2nd rounder for Toni Rajala.

Finnpin

06-19-2009, 10:20 AM

If we want to look at replacing an aging Finn with a young, similar player then we have to trade down to get an early 2nd rounder for Toni Rajala.I hope not. Janne Pesonen/Timo Pärssinen v. 2.0.

The Next Teemu will be at 2010 draft ;)

Twindad

06-19-2009, 10:59 AM

I hope not. Janne Pesonen/Timo Pärssinen v. 2.0.

The Next Teemu will be at 2010 draft ;)

Explain, who do you have your eye on?

Talentless Practise

06-19-2009, 11:10 AM

Explain, who do you have your eye on?

Teemu Pulkkinen.

Fighter

06-19-2009, 09:53 PM

if Pajaarvi is still on the board at 7 id love it if Murray could tempt burke with some former players of his to swap picks. that kid looks impressive.

If we'll manage to trade up for him, be sure I'd wet my pants. That kid is an absolute beast.

snarktacular

06-20-2009, 01:35 PM

The stat geek in me loves this kind of thing, so I'll link it here. One like-minded poster with money, Excel, and time on his/her hands decided to make a composite ranking.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=652809

Here's the top 30, for ease of discussion.

1. J.TAVARES - 1.4 (1 to 2)
2. V.HEDMAN - 1.9 (1 to 2)
3. M.DUCHENE - 2.8 (2 to 3)
4. E.KANE - 4.7 (4 to 5)
5. M.PAAJARVI-SVENSSON - 5.8 (4 to 8)
6. B.SCHENN - 5.9 (5 to 7)
7. J.COWEN - 6.9 (5 to 8)
8. O.EKMAN-LARSSON - 7.8 (6 to 10)
9. D.KULIKOV - 10.2 (7 to 13)
10. N.KADRI - 10.8 (8 to 14)
11. J.SCHROEDER - 10.9 (9 to 13)
12. R.ELLIS - 12.8 (11 to 15)
13. J.JOSEFSON - 15.3 (12 to 18)
14. S.GLENNIE - 15.5 (12 to 19)
15. J.MOORE - 15.6 (11 to 20)
16. Z.KASSIAN - 16.8 (12 to 22)
17. D.RUNDBLAD - 18.8 (13 to 24)
18. S.DEPRES - 19.0 (11 to 27)
19. L.LEBLANC - 19.5 (13 to 26)
20. D.SHORE - 19.8 (17 to 22)
21. P.HOLLAND - 20.8 (15 to 26)
22. C.ASHTON - 23.6 (17 to 30)
23. C.KREIDER - 23.8 (19 to 29)
24. L.FERRARO - 24.8 (19 to 31)
25. J.MORIN - 25.0 (19 to 31)
26. K.PALMIERI - 25.9 (19 to 33)
27. J.CARON - 26.1 (22 to 30)
28. C.DE HAAN - 26.7 (22 to 31)
29. S.ELLIOTT - 28.8 (21 to 37)
30. E.WEREK - 30.3 (22 to 39)

This gets into the depth of this draft, but I really like the later guys. From like 22-28, I like almost all of them, and would be pretty much as happy as getting them (and a trade down) compared to staying at 15 and picking one of the guys around there. Except for Schroeder, who I think might be a steal because GMs might shy away because of size.

spfan

06-20-2009, 04:16 PM

What i think the 1st round will look like:

1.New York Islanders-F John Tavares
2.Tampa Bay Lightning-D Victor Hedman
3.Colorado Avalanche-F Matt Duchene
4.Atlanta Thrashers-F Evander Kane
5.Los Angeles Kings-F Magnus Svensson Paajarvi
6.Phoenix Coyotes-D Jared Cowen
7.Toronto Maple Leafs-F Brayden Schenn
8.Dallas Stars-D Oliver Ekman Larsson
9.Ottawa Senators-F Nazem Kadri
10.Edmonton Oilers-F Jordan Schroeder
11.Nashville Predators-F Scott Glennie
12.Minnesota Wild-F Peter Holland
13.Buffalo Sabres-D Dmitry Kulikov
14.Florida Panthers-F Jacob Josefson
15.Anaheim Ducks-D John Moore
16.Columbus Blue Jackets-D Simon Despres
17.St. Louis Blues-D Ryan Ellis
18.Montreal Canadiens-F Carter Ashton
19.NY Rangers-F Zack Kassian
20.Calgary Flames-F Chris Kreider
21.Philadelphia Flyers-D David Rundblad
22.Vancouver Canucks-F Landon Ferraro
23.New Jersey Devils-D Nick Leddy
24.Washington Capitals-D Stefan Elliot
25.Boston Bruins-F Marcus Johansson
26.NY Islanders-F Kyle Palmieri
27.Carolina Hurricanes-F Louis Leblanc
28.Chicago Blackhawks-F Zach Budish
29.Detroit Red Wings-D Tim Erixon
30.Pittsburgh Penguins-D Calvin De Haan

Jerky Leclerc

06-22-2009, 03:38 PM

jax00

06-22-2009, 04:32 PM

My wants:

1. Schroeder
2. Kulikov (doubtful)
3. Kassian
4. Leblanc
5. Ahston

mmbt

06-22-2009, 04:48 PM

I just have a feeling Jordan Schroeder will fall to us at 15. I don't think he will go in the top 10 and definitely, the Oilers are looking for more size. Nash, Minnesota, Buffalo, or Florida may pick him but I think their draft needs are bigger than an undersized forward. With Anaheim, we already have players with size but need someone to take off the speed game once Teemu is gone. Teams should never draft based on needs but I think this is one situation where I don't mind.

I've never been afraid of draftling little guys. I'll take a small guy with heart over a giant softie any day of the week.

I don't know much about guys like Schroeder or Ellis, but I wouldn't rule either out based on size. I would rule them out if they didn't have grit though.

Talentless Practise

06-22-2009, 04:55 PM

Not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog...

Although we pretty much have the biggest dogs too :yo:

Schroeder has wicked offensive talent so i'd be all for him. Another US born star would be good for hockey in Anaheim too.

Randall Graves*

06-22-2009, 07:00 PM

Bob Mckenzie put out his yearly prospect rankings today

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?fid=11892

So these could be the players we're looking at, very interesting that SCHROEDER is ranked 15th, personally I think he's one of the top 5 players in the draft, he's being discriminated against because of his height.

He was team USA's best player at the WJC's as an under ager, he has sick offensive talent we need a player like this in the system. I hope we don't favor size over talent, he reminds me of Kariya when he was dynamic, sick shot, electric speed and makes plays at top speed.

That said i'm not getting my hopes up, 1)I don't believe there are 14 teams dumb enough to pass on him.
2)When have the ducks ever made the obvious pick? I don't think anyone had us taking Gardiner last year, and few had MacMillan that high.

Also I'll say i'm not a fan of Kassian, remember he's much bigger than most of his competition, and his numbers are not dominant at all.

My top 5 right now who seem possible are
1. Schroeder
2. Glennie
3. Kreider
4. Moore
5. Ashton

i'd be happy with any of these guys, unless we pass on Schroeder..

Jerky Leclerc

06-22-2009, 07:11 PM

1)I don't believe there are 14 teams dumb enough to pass on him..

That's what Pierre Maguire thought in 2003 about Zack Parise. :amazed: I guess he was right afterall.

Randall Graves*

06-22-2009, 08:06 PM

That's what Pierre Maguire thought in 2003 about Zack Parise. :amazed: I guess he was right afterall.
If that's the case, I hope we're not 15

snarktacular

06-23-2009, 01:36 AM

Related to McKenzie's ranking is the little explanation article. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282565

I found this interesting:
If one of TSN's top 10 prospects were to be unseated, it's likely to be by one of the five players ranked from Nos. 11 to 15 – Brandon forward Scott Glennie; Windsor defenceman Ryan Ellis; Chicago Steel (USHL) defenceman John Moore; Peterborough Petes tough guy forward Zack Kassian and University of Minnesota forward Jordan Schroeder. Those prospects are solid first-rounders who could conceivably creep into the top 10 and if they fall out of the top 15, it shouldn't be too far.

But beyond the 15th pick, this draft looks as though it's wide open.

Consensus was far more difficult to obtain this year than it has been in years. Most of the players ranked from 16 to 30 had at least one or more scouts who ranked them as second-round material. On the flip side, prospects whose final ranking is as low as No. 50 got some degree of first-round consideration.
So at 15, we should be able to get a "consensus guy." Whatever that means. If there's a sleeper or two, we may even get to choose between a few of this tier.

I'm starting to get some do-not-wants now. Again, this is mostly gut feeling, but I'd avoid OEL, Despres, Josefson, and Holland. I'm little worried about Ellis, but not as much as the other guys.

A shooter like Morin might be nice too.

Oh, and Ashton Carter has questionable enthusiasm:
http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20090612/ashton_36046.jpg

edit: Going with the theme of tough guys/___ gonna get it/unfortunately named guys.... Chris Brown is a great candidate! #39 on TSN. Trade down opportunity...

Elvstrand

06-23-2009, 11:43 AM

full 7 rounds mock draft needs GM's

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=20018629#post20018629

HarryNealesJokebook

06-23-2009, 12:10 PM

Oh, and Ashton Carter has questionable enthusiasm:

Is this guys name going to be reversed his whole career?

Jerky Leclerc

06-23-2009, 01:10 PM

Is this guys name going to be reversed his whole career?

Ashton Carter sounds less gay than Carter Ashton. Just saying....

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

06-23-2009, 01:36 PM

I don't think Schroeder will fall to us, as I just can't see Minnesota passing on him. He's a local boy and I imagine he's the exact time of guy they want in this draft.

The guy I'm really hoping for is Ryan Ellis. The size obviously raises concerns, but he's just so smart and so gifted with the puck I think he could be a big steal this draft. Big-game player, too. I'm not sure if Ellis will fall, especially after Windsor won the Mem. Cup, but I certainly hope he does and Murph pounces on him.

nbducksfan19

06-23-2009, 01:52 PM

MY Bad WantsL

1. Kadri (very doubtful)
2.Schroeder (doubtful)
3. Glennie (kinda doubtful)
4. Kulikov (real doubtful)
5. John Moore

i really hope one of those doubtful guys falls to us

Buck Naked

06-23-2009, 04:18 PM

I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we got Schroeder, he reminds me of Claude Giroux, has that elite vision.

190Octane

06-24-2009, 02:19 PM

Kassian sounds like a Ducks type of player to me.

Talentless Practise

06-24-2009, 02:33 PM

Kassian would be a great "Lucic" to have but he isn't good enough to go #15 going by rankings, mocks and such. Should we trade down or acquire a later 1st by other means i'd be all for him.

kenabnrmal

06-24-2009, 03:54 PM

I don't exactly know why, but I equate Kassain with Nazarov in my mind. Do not want...

Not that it should be of any consequence, because it's based on crap.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

06-24-2009, 04:15 PM

Kassian would be a great "Lucic" to have but he isn't good enough to go #15 going by rankings, mocks and such. Should we trade down or acquire a later 1st by other means i'd be all for him.

What? I've seen plenty of mocks that have him going before we pick, usually to Buffalo. If anything, IMO, we'd need to trade up to get him(which, IMO, is a bad move).

Bucky Ducky

06-24-2009, 06:44 PM

I've never been afraid of draftling little guys. I'll take a small guy with heart over a giant softie any day of the week.

I don't know much about guys like Schroeder or Ellis, but I wouldn't rule either out based on size. I would rule them out if they didn't have grit though.

More than likely the Wild would take him at 12 if Nashville didn't at 11. I think Nashville will, but if they don't I'd bet Minny will jump all over him, they love getting kids from their own backyard.

Anaheim Calling

06-24-2009, 08:10 PM

What? I've seen plenty of mocks that have him going before we pick, usually to Buffalo. If anything, IMO, we'd need to trade up to get him(which, IMO, is a bad move).

He moved up on the final TSN rankings, but l still think he's risky at 11-14. If this season was a fluke, he could end up a Bottom Six forward.

snarktacular

06-24-2009, 08:26 PM

For some reason I'm lukewarm on Kassian. Which I suppose is better than I was about Beach last year (do not want).

I am also a little intrigued by de Haan, also Erixon to some extent. Not sure what it is exactly. Maybe just the cool names.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

06-24-2009, 09:02 PM

S.S. Giggy

06-25-2009, 12:42 AM

snarktacular

06-25-2009, 01:02 AM

Rundblad also has a cool name. He's also a right shot. +1.

edit: small? He's 6'2" 189? Now he's risky, and it sounds like he doesn't play big. But small?

Glennie might also be there according to some mocks. He looks kind of like Ryan "Stiffler" Getzlaf, and therefore would be a good fit for the team.
http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20090612/glennie_36136.jpg

edit:
http://kuvat.jatkoaika.com/albun19/Getzlaf_Ryan.jpg
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9194/stiffler28ys.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/stiffler28ys.jpg/) http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/stiffler28ys.jpg/1/w190.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img78/stiffler28ys.jpg/1/)

Jerky Leclerc

06-25-2009, 01:35 AM

With the draft in a few days, let me throw this idea out and see what people think. Would you trade Bobby Ryan for the #1 pick overall. Discuss.

Elvstrand

06-25-2009, 03:21 AM

Rund = Round - as in the earth being round

Blad = Leaf - can also mean blade and page/sheet, but as a Swede leaf is what you think of in this case. Swedish surnames tends to use words from nature, just like strand in my surname = beach

other examples:

Forsberg = River Mountain
Renberg = Reindeer Mountain
Sjostrom = Lake Stream
Sandstrom = Sand Stream
Backstrom = Brook Stream

iLau

06-25-2009, 03:40 AM

With the draft in a few days, let me throw this idea out and see what people think. Would you trade Bobby Ryan for the #1 pick overall. Discuss.

Straight up? I would rather have Ryan. He has proved that he can be a force in this league, even in the post-season. Tavares or Hedman might have more potential than when Ryan was a prospect, but you never know how they will turn out and I'd rather have a sure thing.

On a side note, I think not having a 2nd rounder this draft is going to hurt us.

Randall Graves*

06-25-2009, 04:56 AM

McGuire's and Button's mocks both had us picking Rundblad, and I'm not sure how I feel about that one. He's kind of all over the board(some have him in the mid 20s, THN had him 10th), but the potential's there. Could be risky, but also could pay off very incredibly.
Only if we trade down, 15 seems like a reach for him, he seems like this years Karlsson, but we really should go with a forward, we have NONE coming with any big offensive upside. If the ducks can get Schroeder, Glennie, Ashton etc they have to do it

Pepper

06-25-2009, 04:58 AM

Forsberg = Injury Reserve

Fixed that for ya :naughty:

Anyway, isn't "fors" more of rapid instead of river? I always use å or älv when talking about river in swedish.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

06-25-2009, 05:09 AM

Only if we trade down, 15 seems like a reach for him, he seems like this years Karlsson, but we really should go with a forward, we have NONE coming with any big offensive upside. If the ducks can get Schroeder, Glennie, Ashton etc they have to do it

I completely disagree. In the prospect cupboard we may not have much at forward, but people forget easily that Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan are all quite young. On defense we don't really have much for higher end potential other than maybe Whitney and maybe Gardiner(both are stretches, though). If we can add a Moore, Kulikov, Ellis, Rundblad, or maybe even OEL(I saw a mock that had him fall to us), IMO that would be perfect. Too many of our young defensemen are looking like they either won't pan out, or if they do, they won't amount to too much. If we used Pronger to acquire a Jack Johnson or maybe even an Alex Pietrelangelo, this is probably a moot point. But if it remains the same, I'd like a defenseman. Not having a high-end offensive prospect doesn't hurt as much when you have the best young line in the league. But when your best defensemen are pondering retirement soon, that's an issue.

If Schroeder falls to us, though, **** all that and go with him. IMO this kid would be a bona fide top 10(maybe even contending for top 5) if he didn't have a bad WJC. After seeing how guys like Bobby Ryan have overcome that and how some guys like Dawes, Stewart, Pogge, etc. haven't done much despite great WJCs, I tend to ignore that tournament. Schroeder's a great talent and IMO at 15 is a steal.

Elvstrand

06-25-2009, 05:47 AM

Fixed that for ya :naughty:

Anyway, isn't "fors" more of rapid instead of river? I always use å or älv when talking about river in swedish.

Oh yes you are right.

Swedish NHL word list:

Fors = Rapid
Älv = River
Gren/Qvist (Kvist in proper) = Branch
Mark = Ground
Löv/Blad = Leaf
Ström = Stream
Berg = Mountain
Sjö = Lake
Tjärn = Lake (forest type)
Bäck = Brooke
Back (backe in proper) = hill
Lind = tree in southern Sweden (lime in english)
En = also a kind of tree/bush (juniper in English I think)
Kron (Krona in proper) = Crown
Land = Land
Holm (Holme in proper) = a word for some small islands
Sund = river (before it connects with the sea I think)
Lund = grove
Wall (Vall in proper) = pasture
Hörn = corner
Hed = heathland
Öh (Ö in proper) = Island
Brunn = well
Lid = don't think there is a word for this in English, and I can't describe it either.

don't think Zetter, Gross or Jun means anything.

Elvstrand

06-25-2009, 06:01 AM

In this years draft we'll see:

Victor Hethlandman
Oliver Oakman-Larsson
David Roundleaf
Jakob Silvermountain (Silverberg in proper though)
Carl Ringmountain (Not ring as calling someone, just a kind of ringing sound)
Mattias Limestream
Henrik Birchgrove
Martin Grovemountain
Fredrik Steerman
Andreas Greenvalley

among others...

Randall Graves*

06-25-2009, 07:08 AM

I completely disagree. In the prospect cupboard we may not have much at forward, but people forget easily that Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan are all quite young. On defense we don't really have much for higher end potential other than maybe Whitney and maybe Gardiner(both are stretches, though). If we can add a Moore, Kulikov, Ellis, Rundblad, or maybe even OEL(I saw a mock that had him fall to us), IMO that would be perfect. Too many of our young defensemen are looking like they either won't pan out, or if they do, they won't amount to too much. If we used Pronger to acquire a Jack Johnson or maybe even an Alex Pietrelangelo, this is probably a moot point. But if it remains the same, I'd like a defenseman. Not having a high-end offensive prospect doesn't hurt as much when you have the best young line in the league. But when your best defensemen are pondering retirement soon, that's an issue.

If Schroeder falls to us, though, **** all that and go with him. IMO this kid would be a bona fide top 10(maybe even contending for top 5) if he didn't have a bad WJC. After seeing how guys like Bobby Ryan have overcome that and how some guys like Dawes, Stewart, Pogge, etc. haven't done much despite great WJCs, I tend to ignore that tournament. Schroeder's a great talent and IMO at 15 is a steal.
Schroeder will be a great NHL player, he's not weak at all, at the combine he was one of the strongest players pound for pound there. He can skate, shoot, rip wristers, I can see him NHL ready in a year, he's THAT GOOD. He's just being really over-analyzed, and the size queens would rather have player with average talent like kassian, over a player with huge talent in Schroeder.

Whatever happens with Pronger is key, he could net us another 1st, then the ducks have alot of options.

Pwnasaurus

06-25-2009, 07:45 AM

I am also a little intrigued by de Haan,

I would call him the Rappin' Duke.

Solong*

06-25-2009, 01:21 PM

Schroeder will be a great NHL player, he's not weak at all, at the combine he was one of the strongest players pound for pound there. He can skate, shoot, rip wristers, I can see him NHL ready in a year, he's THAT GOOD. He's just being really over-analyzed, and the size queens would rather have player with average talent like kassian, over a player with huge talent in Schroeder.

Whatever happens with Pronger is key, he could net us another 1st, then the ducks have alot of options.

you've learned a lot about hockey in the two years you've been a fan. great to see.

ericnut

06-25-2009, 01:29 PM

With the draft in a few days, let me throw this idea out and see what people think. Would you trade Bobby Ryan for the #1 pick overall. Discuss.

Nope.

Ducksforcup

06-25-2009, 02:25 PM

In Montreal right now for the draft...can't wait! My first one...so lucky! :nod:

Have already seen Gainey (Montreal GM), Tochett (Lightning Coach), and Trotz (Nashville Coach) so far. I have also seen a player rumored to go to Montreal for a long time, which was interesting to say the least.

I'll report on the draft tomorrow after I get back. :)

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-25-2009, 02:31 PM

Twindad

06-25-2009, 02:38 PM

Nobody has any interest in Ferraro?

I think he would fit our style (If he plays like his dad did).

Is he not rated high enough for us to look at him?

Elvstrand

06-25-2009, 02:40 PM

Ducksforcup

06-25-2009, 02:51 PM

You went there specifically for the draft?

Erm kinda. My dad is from Montreal, so we go there a lot. The draft was a convenient excuse. ;)

And elfstrand, I'll try and get some neat stuff for ya. :)

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

06-25-2009, 02:56 PM

Wildcat posted on allducks saying that word around the hotel is that Burke would trade #7 to the Ducks for Pronger and another roster player or something like that. Thoughts?

Static

06-25-2009, 03:09 PM

I'd rather get a couple established players myself, though the capspace would be nice.

Twindad

06-25-2009, 03:31 PM

I'd rather get a couple established players myself, though the capspace would be nice.

Stajan & #7 pick for Pronger?

#7 & 15 pick in this years draft would be pretty good, but I doubt it happens.

Static

06-25-2009, 03:40 PM

I think the other roster player would come from the ducks according to this rumor.

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-25-2009, 04:08 PM

Are there players in the #7 range that could step in and play immediately?

Talentless Practise

06-25-2009, 04:15 PM

I wouldn't do Pronger for the 7th. Leafs need to add to that a little bit.

If we got the 7th i'd pick up the phone to Colorado immediately. Dangle a combination of Hiller, the 7th and the 15th for the 3rd. Matt Duchene imo could step up next season or if the Isles take Duchene then Tavares.

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-25-2009, 04:45 PM

Maybe it's Giguere. Kaberle and the 7th for Pronger, Giguere and the 15th? Probably not.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

06-25-2009, 05:01 PM

Maybe it's Giguere. Kaberle and the 7th for Pronger, Giguere and the 15th? Probably not.

I would definitely consider that. Maybe change out the 15th to a condition first for next year(if Pronger resigns), but could definitely be nice. Solidify our defense for next season, drop a ton of cap space and move up into the top 7? I'd hit that.

Fighter

06-25-2009, 05:07 PM

Until few days ago I thought Kassian could be a Ducks-type player, but his limited potential scares me a bit, especially in what it seems a deep draft.
I'd love to see MPS in a Ducks uniform but I don't think it will happen. Aside of him, I hope the Ducks stick drafting NA kids.

Anyone between Schroeder, Glennie, Kreider and Moore would make me very happy.

Randall Graves*

06-25-2009, 09:14 PM

Are there players in the #7 range that could step in and play immediately?
Brayden Schenn, OEL.

a fair trade would be kaberle and 7 for pronger and 15

Randall Graves*

06-25-2009, 09:14 PM

you've learned a lot about hockey in the two years you've been a fan. great to see.
Check my join date idiot

Randall Graves*

06-26-2009, 01:40 AM

Someone needs to start a draft GDT, I would but my infractions won't allow for it :sarcasm:

Paul4587

06-26-2009, 03:43 AM

From what I've read of those that could be available around 15 I like Schroeder, Moore, Glennie and Ellis although Ellis' size might be an issue. This draft looks absolutely stacked with offensive defenseman it will be interesting to see how many of them reach their potential.

Finnpin

06-26-2009, 04:24 AM

I´d like Dmitri Kulikov the most but I guess he´ll go sooner than 15th. I guess he is the most ready player to play right away in the NHL?

Interesting day coming ahead...Scotty where are you!

Twindad

06-26-2009, 10:32 AM

Someone needs to start a draft GDT, I would but my infractions won't allow for it :sarcasm:

What? You have infractions? I'm shocked beyond belief;)

Selanne08*

06-26-2009, 12:38 PM

Someone needs to start a draft GDT, I would but my infractions won't allow for it :sarcasm:

infractions are so annoying. i got banned for getting a 3rd one at the same time. it was the longest 18 days of my life.

wesott11

06-26-2009, 10:38 PM

who called anaheim going with strictly offense??!?!?! :D

what a great day for ducks fans! we get sbisa, two amazing forwards in the system, another 1st for next year, and (even though he's overpaid) its good to see lupul back, i hope he can get back on track here at home. my FAVORITE, we shed a couple million in salary!!!! yessss

anyone up for celebrating?!?! :yo:

snarktacular

06-26-2009, 11:27 PM

Jerky Leclerc

06-26-2009, 11:33 PM

We didn't need Moore. He is another project ala Jake Gardiner and we don't need two of the same in the system.

wesott11

06-27-2009, 12:04 AM

While you were right, also consider that part of the reason they could afford to go all F was because they acquired Sbisa.
Exactly, I figured they'd get something like sbisa through a trade or free agency, and we got that quick! I'm liking our activity today!:yo:

heusy_79

06-27-2009, 01:43 AM

I liked Bob's moves tonight (other than maybe the Holland pick, I was hoping for Ashton, Schroeder or Runblad). Sbisa has the potential to be a solid D-man, and Palmieri was a good prospect to add to the haul from the Pronger deal. I have my eye on a couple prospects for pick # 38 tomorrow:

Ryan O'Reilly- Great character guy who is good on draws and on the PK. Knock is his skating but apparently it's improving.

Carl Klingberg- 6'3 205, a right-shooting left winger who plays a bit of center, strong skater who plays a physical game.

Richard Panik- Falling off the map a bit I know, but we can afford to take a risk and this guy has a ton of offensive potential. He had an off-year this year coupled with injuries, but the season prior he put up 62 points in 39 games in the Czech Jr. League.

Matt Hackett or Robin Lehner- Hackett is a solid goaltending prospect; I'm not familiar with Lehner but his size and reported athleticism have led him to be compared to fellow Swede Henrik Lundquist. Either way we need goalies in the pipeline.

For D-men, I think we have a lot of offensive types , and lack stay-at-home guys(Mitera being the exception). I like the looks of Matt Clark (6'3 205- steady, mobile and punishing), Taylor Doherty(6'6 220) and Eric Gelinas (6'2 190-steady and well-rounded). If we are looking for another offensive blueliner, I think Tyson Barrie has potential.

wesott11

06-27-2009, 03:28 AM

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-27-2009, 03:40 AM

can anyone give some info on holland and palmieri(?)...? it sounds like holland is more of a risky pick and palmieri is more a conservative one. is this true?

what are these players strengths and weaknesses? possible futures, when you see them coming into pros.
Ducks draft central. (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=431716)

Clicking on the prospects' names will give you some info on them, projections and similarities.

snarktacular

06-27-2009, 10:30 AM

Some HF blurbs on Palmieri and Holland

A draft combine standout, Palmieri is an offensively-minded forward who combines grit, character, and work ethic with a high skill level. Although he is at least a year from going pro, his offensive game-breaking ability will be a welcomed addition to a Rangers squad who struggled to score last season.
Palmieri is a first-class agitator. Hard-working with good speed, the question is whether his puck skills are good enough to be more than a grinder and whether he's a team player. It's hard to justify a first-round pick on someone who doesn't have high upside.
Future

Palmieri could end up being anything from a second liner to a fourth liner. He may not have the top-end skills.

Committed to Notre Dame.

The Hurricanes have made their draft intentions clear that they are looking for a forward who brings a blend of size and skill to the ice. Holland, a 6'2 center who posted 28 goals, 39 assists for the Guelph Storm last season fits that profile.
A power forward prospect, Holland's stock has slipped a bit from the combine, particularly the interview portion. On the ice, his hockey sense is not as good as those above him. However, his size, offensive talents, and willingness to play in front of the net make him an option for teams who miss out on Zack Kassian. Holland is not as big as Kassian but still has time to grow and room on his frame to add weight. He has shown solid hands around the net and is noted for his ability to disrupt defensive sides with his forecheck.

If he picks up his compete level, could be a second liner.
The Canes will be looking to get bigger in Round 1, and Holland fits the bill. While the 6’2" center is not known as an overly physical player, his skill set is too good to pass on if he slides this far. Some of the scouting on Holland suggests his game lacks consistency, and that he doesn’t put everything into the game. But he’s also been described as calculating and creative with the puck, willing to go to the net, defensively responsible, and solid on faceoffs — all attributes the Canes covet up in a forward.

Couple other things:
NHL Central Scouting's Chris Edwards: "When he is competing, he is very noticeable and effective. He is used both on the power-play and penalty-kill units, and at times he has been used at the point on the power-play. He skates very well, smooth, and he generates good speed. He has a very good shot."
NHL Central Scouting's Jack Barzee: "I think Kyle's got a little bit of Chris Drury in him. I look at his passion, his natural skills and his tenaciousness, and that's what I saw in Chris. He's a lot of fun to watch because he has that vision along with a wicked shot. He very seldom passes up the opportunity to make the right play -- he's in position to shoot the puck and has that insight into whether to freeze and dish or just let it go."