Pronger

Hard to get a read on this, but if Pronger is dealt what are you guys expecting back in return?

I have to believe that the Bruins would have interest if it didnt take away any major pieces from this year's team. Picks, prospects, young D (Hunwick, Stuart, Lashoff, etc) are all up for grabs however. I just dont see them taking away their depth at forward to add Pronger.

Forward prospects I could see moved include Hamill, Colbourne, Sobotka.

How about..

Stuart
Lashoff
Colbourne
Sobotka
1st rounder

for Pronger + Iowa D-man.

Pronger ain't even pending UFA yet. :dunno:

1st 09, 1st '10, top prospect not in the NHL.

That's the package I'd expect Pronger to fetch atleast.

From Boston, I like Mark Sturt's game a lot so he'd be the d-man i'd ask.

How about Stuart, Hamill, 1st for Pronger?

I like Colbourne's size (Don't know much else about him), so I'd probably opt for him, Stuart, and a 1st.

I can't say I know a whole lot about Stuart either, though he seemed pretty decent whenever I've watched him. I love Wideman, but I don't see the b's wanting to move him if possible. I wouldn't mind getting a forward back that can help right now, but I understand the B's not wanting to touch their forward depth. Bergeron is really the guy I'd be interested in, but with his injury history, its tough.

Not being familiar with Boston's young players or prospects, I can't provide a specific answer.

What I can do is provide a framework. Pronger is still one of the best defensemen in the league, and he has another year. On top of that, he's the only defenseman on the team signed past this season. Because of this he's even more valuable to us than you'd expect on any random team. Unless Niedermayer re-signs, then maybe he may not be overvalued to the Ducks.

For someone of his caliber, and with an extra year so it's not just a rental, I'd expect a big package. The going rate of top players seems to be ~3 assets, spread out into different levels of NHL-readiness. Thus a pick, a young guy (breaking into the NHL), and a younger prospect. If you need to include salary, that's also possible, but he can't be a salary albatross and he likely should be a defenseman signed past the season (both teams will want this, Anaheim needs a Dman and Boston will probably want tagging room). If not a Dman, it could be a forward but the young roster player has to be a Dman (we need SOMEONE to play defense). One of the assets (either the young player or the prospect) needs to make you say "ouch" and the other asset should be "well that sucks, but I'll take it because it's Pronger." Typically the ouch asset will be your 2nd-4th best prospect.

Just to break it down in terms of the earlier Pronger trade (certainly a shade more because he was better than and had more contract), we gave away Smid (ouch, our best and only legit Dman prospect at the time, although we had just drafted Mitera), Lupul (that sucks but... we still had Getzlaf and Perry and some thought he was a floater), a 1st, and another (conditional) 1st and 2nd (a little ouch because there's another 1st). Unlike what seems to be the general sentiment, the Pronger trade was a significant package, Lowe just failed in insisting on too many risky futures and failed to account for playing styles/positions (Lupul wouldn't work well with Hemsky as he plays differently and he is only good at RW).



Some mentioned Colborne. I'm not sure I liked what I read about him before the 08 draft. He seemed a little big-teaddy-bearish. And a little more of a playmaker than we'd like (we have plenty of playmakers, no goal scorers). Although he is doing pretty well in the NCAA.

From Boston, I like Mark Sturt's game a lot so he'd be the d-man i'd ask.

How about Stuart, Hamill, 1st for Pronger?

I think that is a deal the B's would make. Essentially three first round picks and Stuart is signed to a reasonable deal and is a tough kid and a leader.

Pronger along with Wideman and Chara would really, really give us the edge against any team out there.

I think that is a deal the B's would make. Essentially three first round picks and Stuart is signed to a reasonable deal and is a tough kid and a leader.

Pronger along with Wideman and Chara would really, really give us the edge against any team out there.

this is kinda off topic, but if the Ducks are out of the playoffs, I will be for Boston over any other remaining team.

I'd be all for acquiring colbourne but I'm partial to DU players (he's Du right?). But we have to be totally out of the playoff picture or have a commitment from Scotty that he's coming back to really consider trading Pronger this season.

But we have to be totally out of the playoff picture or have a commitment from Scotty that he's coming back to really consider trading Pronger this season.
If it is a shakeup this team needs, we could maybe have our cake and eat it too.

Trade Pronger for Stuart, Colborne, 1st for example. Then trade the Boston 1st for Witt

We save cap dollars, lose top end talent but add depth. If a shakeup gets this team going,

Nieds-Stuart
Montador-Witt
Hedican-Huskins

might play better than the current group and maybe still make the playoffs.

Next year, if Scotty signs for a reasonable 6M, we could give JayBo 7M and still come under 20M for the defense.

Fantasy stuff, i know?

I could see Philly being interested, and I think this meets your demands.

JVR, Jones, Lupul, 2 3rds
or
Nodl, Jones, Lupul, 1st

???:help:

I hate the idea of trading Pronger.

I could see Philly being interested, and I think this meets your demands.

JVR, Jones, Lupul, 2 3rds
or
Nodl, Jones, Lupul, 1st

???:help:

I'd do that in a heartbeat, but I doubt Philly gives up JVR for Pronger.

I could see Philly being interested, and I think this meets your demands.

JVR, Jones, Lupul, 2 3rds
or
Nodl, Jones, Lupul, 1st

???:help:
Lupul isn't really a positive asset for the Ducks. We don't need a RW (we've got Perry, Selanne, and maybe Ryan), and he sucked at left with us. There's also his cap hit (although it's probably more worth it than another former Ducks 4.25 million winger). You'd probably be better off trading Lupul to some other team (for picks/prospects or something), and then moving some of those assets to the Ducks for Pronger.

JVR is a very nice piece though. Probably even a bigger single piece than I would expect. But what's with the 2x 3rds? Does Philly not have a 2nd (which is worth about the same)?

It seems to me that your 2nd proposal is worth less than the 1st. The 1st proposal is about right (I'd like a tad more), I don't like the 2nd.

And why would Philly want Pronger? If you ask me they should get a goalie, then a depth guy (like #2/3 quality).


For outsiders, here's a couple earlier thread pertaining to Pronger trade talk to get an idea of what has been said before. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=599861 http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=597737

From Boston, I like Mark Sturt's game a lot so he'd be the d-man i'd ask.

How about Stuart, Hamill, 1st for Pronger?

Pretty sure most Bruins fans would do that deal in a second, not sure about cap wise though.

Essentially, Stuart is a solid #4 D, good on the PK ... Hamill I think is a bust and will not amount to anything and a 1st is late so whatever.

Would be a bad deal for you guys.

However that first deal where we give up half our Providence team is not worth it :)

I hate the idea of trading Pronger.

I second this thought. But if we do trade him, I expect a lot back. A lot.

Lupul isn't really a positive asset for the Ducks. We don't need a RW (we've got Perry, Selanne, and maybe Ryan), and he sucked at left with us. There's also his cap hit (although it's probably more worth it than another former Ducks 4.25 million winger). You'd probably be better off trading Lupul to some other team (for picks/prospects or something), and then moving some of those assets to the Ducks for Pronger.

JVR is a very nice piece though. Probably even a bigger single piece than I would expect. But what's with the 2x 3rds? Does Philly not have a 2nd (which is worth about the same)?

It seems to me that your 2nd proposal is worth less than the 1st. The 1st proposal is about right (I'd like a tad more), I don't like the 2nd.

And why would Philly want Pronger? If you ask me they should get a goalie, then a depth guy (like #2/3 quality).


For outsiders, here's a couple earlier thread pertaining to Pronger trade talk to get an idea of what has been said before. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=599861 http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=597737


Yeh we have no 2nd round draft pick. It seems were after a top defenceman rather than a goalie, but I think the odds are poor anyway of getting a better goalie than we have at the deadline.

I see why we would think of a trade but in my view with scotty probably gone next year I would like to see them keep pronger to shore up the blue line :handclap:

I'm not an advocate of trading pronger. He has another year with us, and we have nobody signed for next year to keep our blueline strong. I don't feel comfortable banking on landing some one in the offseason. Getzlaf, perry, Ryan, selanne, pronger, and giguere is a damn good core for next season if you ask me.

I'm not an advocate of trading pronger. He has another year with us, and we have nobody signed for next year to keep our blueline strong. I don't feel comfortable banking on landing some one in the offseason. Getzlaf, perry, Ryan, selanne, pronger, and giguere is a damn good core for next season if you ask me.
I certainly agree that moving Pronger is very hard with our UFA defense. I just don't see it happen unless we re-sign Niedermayer first. We need SOMEBODY to play top 4. Beauchemin is unlikely, Niedermayer may or may not re-sign, and that's pretty much all we have. It's hard to go out and get FOUR top 4 Dmen in UFA.

But to play devil's advocate, that core seemed damn good for this season too, and look where we're at.

Wheeler + 1st.

Especially if JvR is in the mix from Philly's perspective. Let the bidding wars begin!

Kelly Hrudey said on Hockey Night in Canada Radio last night that a trusted source of his who ISN'T on the inside with the Ducks claimed that they are actively trying to move Pronger, and that it likely means that Niedermayer will be back next season.

I'm not huge on Pronger being moved, but if he is, it's probably best to be laying the groundwork now and creating a bit of a bidding war amongst Eastern Conference teams. I don't pretend to know a thing about how Pronger is as a leader or how he interacts with the team, but I never got the "feeling"
(for whatever that's worth) the team ever bought into him being the alpha male of this club. I can't say I'd be shocked if he was moved.

I'd like to see a young D with established NHL ability and some years on his contract coming back. I don't think the focus of this club is going to change from blueline-out mentality, and the Ducks already have a strong crop of young forwards.

If Pronger is gone, Bouwmeester has to be plan A as soon as free agency starts. Can't replace the edge, but can replace the minutes and adds to team quickness.

Kelly Hrudey said on Hockey Night in Canada Radio last night that a trusted source of his who ISN'T on the inside with the Ducks claimed that they are actively trying to move Pronger, and that it likely means that Niedermayer will be back next season.

I'm not huge on Pronger being moved, but if he is, it's probably best to be laying the groundwork now and creating a bit of a bidding war amongst Eastern Conference teams. I don't pretend to know a thing about how Pronger is as a leader or how he interacts with the team, but I never got the "feeling"
(for whatever that's worth) the team ever bought into him being the alpha male of this club. I can't say I'd be shocked if he was moved.

I'd like to see a young D with established NHL ability and some years on his contract coming back. I don't think the focus of this club is going to change from blueline-out mentality, and the Ducks already have a strong crop of young forwards.

If Pronger is gone, Bouwmeester has to be plan A as soon as free agency starts. Can't replace the edge, but can replace the minutes and adds to team quickness.

I can see this team targeting Bouwmeester as Plan A next off-season. We can offer him the years and money he would want, especially if we trade Pronger.

Now, as a follow up, I was listening to the same Hockey Night in Canada broadcast last night and a Pronger trade came up again. The host claimed that he had a conversation with some close to the Caps organization, and he claimed that George McPhee is in talks with the Ducks. He said the Ducks made it clear that Karl Alzner would have to be a part of any deal for Pronger.

I'm not a huge fan of the host, but he's never struck me as a guy hungry for that sort of credibility.

Again, no link since it was radio. Maybe someone else heard it.

Alzner would warm me up to a Pronger trade considerably.

Speaking of Pronger (and since I don't really have anywhere else to put this), I stumbled across this last week:

http://www.chrispronger.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=51&Itemid=140

As part of the NHL.com network, they have an official Chris Pronger website and he actually blogs and answers questions (although last time he did it was in November). The "Journeyman" posts on the blog are apparently from Pronger's brother Sean, who saw some action in Anaheim between 95-98 and he's kinda funny as he explains the frustrations of being a part-time NHL player.

Either way, didn't see it mentioned before and I found it kind of interesting.

Wheeler + 1st.

Especially if JvR is in the mix from Philly's perspective. Let the bidding wars begin!

Wheeler went to Boston specifically to play with Phil Kessel, his college teammate. I doubt the Bruins trade him,and I doubt you'd want a disgruntled and unmotivated Wheeler.

Now, as a follow up, I was listening to the same Hockey Night in Canada broadcast last night and a Pronger trade came up again. The host claimed that he had a conversation with some close to the Caps organization, and he claimed that George McPhee is in talks with the Ducks. He said the Ducks made it clear that Karl Alzner would have to be a part of any deal for Pronger.

I'm not a huge fan of the host, but he's never struck me as a guy hungry for that sort of credibility.

Again, no link since it was radio. Maybe someone else heard it.

Alzner would warm me up to a Pronger trade considerably.
Question to ken and all.

Carlson or Alzner?

One has the pedigree (early draft pick), and has already made the NHL (less likely to bust). Supposed to become a great shut down guy, but may lack offensive upside. He even was drafted as a very safe guy to be a pretty good shutdown guy. Captain of Team Canada in 2008 WJC, name the top defenseman in all of the CHL in 08. HF says he's the 10th best prospect in all of hockey. He also fits an expedited rebuild, and can fill Pronger's roster spot now (important if we want to not be terrible next year).

Carlson was drafted later (27th, late pick). However supposedly he was impressive in TC (better looking to some than Alzner), and may be NHL ready next season (those same Caps fans probably feel he was more ready than Alzner, sort of like Getzlaf was more ready than Lupul in 04). He's ripping up the OHL (3rd highest Dman). Supposedly a 2-way guy. He's also a RD, a rarity in general and in our system. I wanted us to draft him last season. I just have a feeling about him, sort of like my Setoguchi hunch back in 05. Riskier though (he was somewhat of an unknown in the draft, although people probably have a better handle on him now that he's playing the OHL).

Caps fans seem somewhat split as to which one they prefer, so it's likely somewhat even. They lean towards Alzner as better though.

Question to ken and all.

Carlson or Alzner?



I would lean towards Alzner. Safer choice. At worst one of those 15 year stay at home guys. At worst Carlson never makes the NHL.

Wheeler went to Boston specifically to play with Phil Kessel, his college teammate. I doubt the Bruins trade him,and I doubt you'd want a disgruntled and unmotivated Wheeler.

Fair enough. I was just thinking of roster players of contenders who are not absolute vital parts but would still be attractive enough to Anaheim in order for them to move one of their best players who is signed through next season at decent moneys. There aren't that many.

Question to ken and all.

Carlson or Alzner?

One has the pedigree (early draft pick), and has already made the NHL (less likely to bust). Supposed to become a great shut down guy, but may lack offensive upside. He even was drafted as a very safe guy to be a pretty good shutdown guy. Captain of Team Canada in 2008 WJC, name the top defenseman in all of the CHL in 08. HF says he's the 10th best prospect in all of hockey. He also fits an expedited rebuild, and can fill Pronger's roster spot now (important if we want to not be terrible next year).

Carlson was drafted later (27th, late pick). However supposedly he was impressive in TC (better looking to some than Alzner), and may be NHL ready next season (those same Caps fans probably feel he was more ready than Alzner, sort of like Getzlaf was more ready than Lupul in 04). He's ripping up the OHL (3rd highest Dman). Supposedly a 2-way guy. He's also a RD, a rarity in general and in our system. I wanted us to draft him last season. I just have a feeling about him, sort of like my Setoguchi hunch back in 05. Riskier though (he was somewhat of an unknown in the draft, although people probably have a better handle on him now that he's playing the OHL).

Caps fans seem somewhat split as to which one they prefer, so it's likely somewhat even. They lean towards Alzner as better though.

I don't pretend to know a whole lot about either. I do like what I've seen of Alzner already, and I like his pedigree. The fans here on HF seem to LOVE Carlson. They also LOVED Jack Johnson. And Komisarek. And Barrett Jackman. All very good youngish defensemen, but I don't see any as potential number one's anymore. I could be wrong. I don't know, I'll take the draft status, current NHL, and junior track record of Alzner.

I'd be happy with either though.

I don't pretend to know a whole lot about either. I do like what I've seen of Alzner already, and I like his pedigree. The fans here on HF seem to LOVE Carlson. They also LOVED Jack Johnson. And Komisarek. And Barrett Jackman. All very good youngish defensemen, but I don't see any as potential number one's anymore. I could be wrong. I don't know, I'll take the draft status, current NHL, and junior track record of Alzner.

I'd be happy with either though.

If it helps at all Alzer's favorite hockey player is Scott Niedermayer.

If it helps at all Alzer's favorite hockey player is Scott Niedermayer.

Mentor!!!!

I don't pretend to know a whole lot about either. I do like what I've seen of Alzner already, and I like his pedigree. The fans here on HF seem to LOVE Carlson. They also LOVED Jack Johnson. And Komisarek. And Barrett Jackman. All very good youngish defensemen, but I don't see any as potential number one's anymore. I could be wrong. I don't know, I'll take the draft status, current NHL, and junior track record of Alzner.

I'd be happy with either though.
On the flip side, rookie Dmen seem to be hard to figure out. There's been a lot of impressive 1st year guys, only for them to regress in year 2/3. Such as Jackman, for example. Or say a Matt Carle, an Andrej Meszaros, a Tobias Enstrom, or a Tom Gilbert. It really seems like the next couple years are critical for young defensemen.

So even Alzner's "provenness" may not mean much.


But I guess after thinking about it Alzner is probably a better bet. Safer, pedigree, higher performance for longer (Carlson's been awesome for 1 year, not much before). Although when you are comparing draft positions, you also have to consider that 2007 was considered a weak draft after the big 3, and 2008 was a STACKED defensive draft.


Next possible prospect return question: Alzner or JVR?

On the flip side, rookie Dmen seem to be hard to figure out. There's been a lot of impressive 1st year guys, only for them to regress in year 2/3. Such as Jackman, for example. Or say a Matt Carle, an Andrej Meszaros, a Tobias Enstrom, or a Tom Gilbert. It really seems like the next couple years are critical for young defensemen.

So even Alzner's "provenness" may not mean much.


But I guess after thinking about it Alzner is probably a better bet. Safer, pedigree, higher performance for longer (Carlson's been awesome for 1 year, not much before). Although when you are comparing draft positions, you also have to consider that 2007 was considered a weak draft after the big 3, and 2008 was a STACKED defensive draft.


Next possible prospect return question: Alzner or JVR?


Great points. I don't really see the likes of Gilbert, Enstrom, etc. as great comparables for Alzner, simply due to their draft status. I think Mezaros was the highest pick of the lot in the late first. The rest are all "pleasant surprises" of a sort. I see those guys having their break out year, getting everyone excited, but that break out year is their ceiling. Alzner is more comperable to a Doughty or Schenn at this point. True about the relative draft strength.

I'd take Alzner over JVR, simply because he's a d-man...that's all I've got there.

Pronger for Barker, Skille, and a 1st?

I know, Barker seems to be everyone's least favorite blue-chip defensive prospect. And I have a relatively strong personal bias towards him. However, consider this...

22 years old
39GP
4G
25P
Around 16 or 17 M/GP
.64ppg

The only point to all of that is that he is already an offensively productive NHL blueliner. He's producing at a better clip than Pronger is at the moment, and nestles close to the top 10 in the league. He is a -5, for whatever that's worth, and there are still questions about his intensity (though he will drop the gloves), defensive instincts, and foot speed. However, not all that different than most top defensive prospects at his point of development. He's a top-4 dman at worst, but I still feel he has top-2 upside.

Don't know much about Skille, but he does seem to have some NHL potential still.

The cap numbers probably don't work out in this proposal...just an idea.

Great points. I don't really see the likes of Gilbert, Enstrom, etc. as great comparables for Alzner, simply due to their draft status. I think Mezaros was the highest pick of the lot in the late first. The rest are all "pleasant surprises" of a sort. I see those guys having their break out year, getting everyone excited, but that break out year is their ceiling. Alzner is more comperable to a Doughty or Schenn at this point. True about the relative draft strength.

I'd take Alzner over JVR, simply because he's a d-man...that's all I've got there.
The other common theme of those guys (besides being later picks who seemed like steals) is that they're mostly offensive types. With Alzner being more (or almost solely) defensive, maybe it's not a useful trend. BTW, I'm still torn on Carlson. Head says Alzner, but there's still that completely irrational hunch in my gut.


As to packages, it depends on what you want the centerpiece to be. Dman young roster player? Prospect forward? Any of the other two permutations? You apparently want the Dman to be the centerpiece. Although if you're getting a blue-chip guy like Alzner/Carlson/JVR, you may not get a 3rd piece.

From Philly there's also Sbisa, who I think is also a solid prospect if you don't want the bluechipper in JVR.

Pronger says (http://www.chrispronger.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=170:trade-rumors--as-of-feb-1209&catid=51:blog&Itemid=140):

In my opinion i believe the rumors are part of an overzealous group of reporters who are putting the Ducks in the "sellers" category at the trade deadline and trying to drum up fan interest in there stories and TV shows. They put us, the Ducks, in this category because we have not played up to expectations thus far. With 25 games to go and around 10 left before the deadline we hope to put these rumors to rest with the we play the rest of the season and on into the playoffs.

That's also pretty much my thoughts on the rumors and the likelihood Pronger will be traded, although it is kind of fun to speculate on what he'd fetch if the team decided to pack it in. Sometimes it seems like the internet rumor mill is just a bunch of echoes. Someone makes something up, then it gets echoed and amplified (telephone-style) in all the other sites. It doesn't help that we've got people like Brooks, Eklund, and Garrioch who will completely make things up.

Personally, if we don't pick up at least 12 of 16 points before the deadline, I'd be selling. There's just too many teams we're not better than remaining on our schedule.

Personally, if we don't pick up at least 12 of 16 points before the deadline, I'd be selling. There's just too many teams we're not better than remaining on our schedule.
I think we should sell too. I'm just saying that I don't believe the rumors going around about the team. I don't think the team is planning on packing it in yet. And even if they were, moving Pronger just seems far-fetched, given that he's the one of two defenseman under contract for next season (arguably the only, does Brookbank really count?).

On one hand, the picks should be quite valued this season, as they say it's a strong AND deep draft (not like say 2007, where the draft was deep with mid-level quality). That may mean less activity at the deadline.

But on the other hand, it seems like a seller's market. Lots of teams in contention, not a lot of teams out of it, and not the best crop of upcoming UFAs (the most commonly traded types because losing teams don't mind trading them and winning teams probably need the tagging and cap room). If we put say Niedermayer on the market (or perhaps even others such as Special Nieds, Marchant, Pahlsson), we may get great value for them. Couple that with the fact that I just don't believe the team has it and with our precarious (and dropping) standings position, and it makes sense to sell unless they go on a tear and put themselves in position to make the playoffs.

I'm surprised Lauren hasn't made him demand to not be traded yet.

Personally, if we don't pick up at least 12 of 16 points before the deadline, I'd be selling. There's just too many teams we're not better than remaining on our schedule.

It's tough. I'm inclined to agree, but at the same time I think they've played quite well of late. Not only in the games they've won, but in the ones they've lost. It's the whole "just get in the tournament, and anything can happen" thing. I'd far rather a surprisingly deep playoff run than hording a bunch of picks and prospects in trades that deeply change the face of the team (ie: Pronger). I've seen enough to think that this team MIGHT have a surprising run in them, but by the same token, the expected return on a guy like Pronger (who I've never become attached to emotionally) is pretty exciting.

It'll be interesting to say the least.

It's tough. I'm inclined to agree, but at the same time I think they've played quite well of late. Not only in the games they've won, but in the ones they've lost. It's the whole "just get in the tournament, and anything can happen" thing. I'd far rather a surprisingly deep playoff run than hording a bunch of picks and prospects in trades that deeply change the face of the team (ie: Pronger). I've seen enough to think that this team MIGHT have a surprising run in them, but by the same token, the expected return on a guy like Pronger (who I've never become attached to emotionally) is pretty exciting.

It'll be interesting to say the least.
If there's a chance we make the playoffs, I'd do it. I'm not really a prospect/pick *****. But I'm still thinking we can only lose 7 more games max. If we lose more than two before the deadline.... We face San Jose and Dallas three times each. To me, that's a minimum of four losses. Leaving us with the prospect of having to run the table on everyone else.

I agree they've put together their best stretch of the season since the break, wins and losses both, but if it's not enough, it's not enough. It seems like this isn't a team that can dominate at will when it plays its best game.

If there's a chance we make the playoffs, I'd do it. I'm not really a prospect/pick *****. But I'm still thinking we can only lose 7 more games max. If we lose more than two before the deadline.... We face San Jose and Dallas three times each. To me, that's a minimum of four losses. Leaving us with the prospect of having to run the table on everyone else.

I agree they've put together their best stretch of the season since the break, wins and losses both, but if it's not enough, it's not enough. It seems like this isn't a team that can dominate at will when it plays its best game.
I'm probably just crazy, but I'm not that worried about the games with SJ and Dallas. I'll say 2 losses in those 6 games.

To me the worrisome games are the ones against Atlanta, Phoenix (x3), Colorado (x2), Minnesota (x2), and Edmonton (x2). Either teams a bit below them in the standings or teams who haven't been playing too well recently. It seems like this team often plays down to the opposition. 10 games, I expect 5-6 losses.

I wouldn't be too worried about the Colorado and Phoenix games, we've done pretty well against them this year. Edmonton, Minnesota and Dallas are the teams that worry me, I don't see us winning many of those games.

As for San Jose traditionally we tend to play better against the Sharks but with the way they've played this season it will be tough to come out with anything more than 2 points in our remaining games against them.

It's not looking too promising at this point that we'll make the playoffs unless Pronger and Niedermayer decide to start dominating games the way they should be. Niedermayers picked his game up since January but Pronger has yet to show signs of the player he is capable of being (especially on the PP), although it doesn't help that he's paired with a no 7 defenseman for most of the year.

I'm probably just crazy, but I'm not that worried about the games with SJ and Dallas. I'll say 2 losses in those 6 games.

To me the worrisome games are the ones against Atlanta, Phoenix (x3), Colorado (x2), Minnesota (x2), and Edmonton (x2). Either teams a bit below them in the standings or teams who haven't been playing too well recently. It seems like this team often plays down to the opposition. 10 games, I expect 5-6 losses.

Still too many, even if you're right.

Still too many, even if you're right.
Do you mean "still too many" as in too many losses to make the playoffs? If so, I agree. I was just saying that I think we'll be knocked out by the bad teams and not SJ and Dallas. Even though those will all be 4 point games.

Schneider netted the Thrashers a 2nd and a 3rd.. wow. The return for Prongs will be astronomical if we let him go.

Schneider netted the Thrashers a 2nd and a 3rd.. wow. The return for Prongs will be astronomical if we let him go.

A 2nd and a 3rd isn't that much... What did you expect Schneider to return? I thought he would land a 2nd + prospect.

Pronger's value stays the same: 1st round pick, blue chip prospect, roster player.

I hate to agree with ericnut, but a 2nd and a 3rd isn't that much.

Schneider with us was a 2/3 caliber guy. 1st pair/2nd pair. That typically nets you a 2nd round pick + mid level prospect (one drafted in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds). So that seems about right.

The only thing is the pick is worth less than a prospect in terms of NHL-readiness. He probably got a little less than normal because of his bad year and mediocre year with Anaheim (held down by lesser minutes).

Although I guess if you go by his play this season only, Atlanta got a lot.

From Boston, I like Mark Sturt's game a lot so he'd be the d-man i'd ask.

How about Stuart, Hamill, 1st for Pronger?

If that get's it done, I'd be all for it.

I don't think it does.

Does anyone know if CP has a NTC ?

From Boston, I like Mark Sturt's game a lot so he'd be the d-man i'd ask.

How about Stuart, Hamill, 1st for Pronger?

If that get's it done, I'd be all for it.

I don't think it does.

Does anyone know if CP has a NTC ?

See post #40.

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See post #40.

Gee, the post is just as lame now as then.

Gee, well judging from your pessimistic attitude on everything and your general cancerous depression in your tone of voice... I'd say you're about two clicks away from blowing your brains out... why wait? PM me if you need some motivation it might be the first time you don't fail at something.

If there's a chance we make the playoffs, I'd do it. I'm not really a prospect/pick *****. But I'm still thinking we can only lose 7 more games max. If we lose more than two before the deadline.... We face San Jose and Dallas three times each. To me, that's a minimum of four losses. Leaving us with the prospect of having to run the table on everyone else.

I agree they've put together their best stretch of the season since the break, wins and losses both, but if it's not enough, it's not enough. It seems like this isn't a team that can dominate at will when it plays its best game.
I'm probably just crazy, but I'm not that worried about the games with SJ and Dallas. I'll say 2 losses in those 6 games.

To me the worrisome games are the ones against Atlanta, Phoenix (x3), Colorado (x2), Minnesota (x2), and Edmonton (x2). Either teams a bit below them in the standings or teams who haven't been playing too well recently. It seems like this team often plays down to the opposition. 10 games, I expect 5-6 losses.
Not to go thread digging, but it looks like we were both right/wrong. They'll just lose EVERY game.

(I'll ignore the fact that we haven't played SJ or Dallas yet.)

Sigh.

As much as I would like to see Pronger head to DC (because a top defenseman would be nice) I'm not sure many Caps fans would be happy with trading either Alzner or Carlson. While I think I would expect the Ducks to certainly ask for one of them in return, but I'm not sure the Caps would be willing to go that far. I guess I could take it if it was Carlson or Alzner and not much else but I imagine with the rate things will escalate, it probably would be a lot more. I think Caps fans would be more than happy to do a quantity type of a deal (with guys like Lepisto, Bourque, Osala, maybe Fehr and others plus picks being tossed around and someone like Morrisonn as a make weight in salary).

Maybe if someone gets hurt or they slide a bit. But I think the Caps have hopes of being involved in a push for a Cup for a few years (as unlikely as that is with history) and dealing away a stud young defenseman probably isn't the way to go about it.

Personally, if I'm the Ducks and McPhee offers either, I take Alzner of the two. Better pedigree, bit older, more steady and probably the more sure bet. Carlson's ceiling is probably higher, but he is less of a sure thing. At least as far as you can get with judging 20 year old defensemen.

i say trade pronger to the caps. but i think the caps would have to either part with one of their top prospects alzner or carlson + draft picks and possibly another roster player.

As much as I would like to see Pronger head to DC (because a top defenseman would be nice) I'm not sure many Caps fans would be happy with trading either Alzner or Carlson. While I think I would expect the Ducks to certainly ask for one of them in return, but I'm not sure the Caps would be willing to go that far. I guess I could take it if it was Carlson or Alzner and not much else but I imagine with the rate things will escalate, it probably would be a lot more. I think Caps fans would be more than happy to do a quantity type of a deal (with guys like Lepisto, Bourque, Osala, maybe Fehr and others plus picks being tossed around and someone like Morrisonn as a make weight in salary).

Maybe if someone gets hurt or they slide a bit. But I think the Caps have hopes of being involved in a push for a Cup for a few years (as unlikely as that is with history) and dealing away a stud young defenseman probably isn't the way to go about it.

Personally, if I'm the Ducks and McPhee offers either, I take Alzner of the two. Better pedigree, bit older, more steady and probably the more sure bet. Carlson's ceiling is probably higher, but he is less of a sure thing. At least as far as you can get with judging 20 year old defensemen.
Of course caps fans would be happier with a quantity for quality deal

I can live with Carlson, Osala and 1st for Pronger.