Is Carlyle Stupid or Stupid?

What in the world goes through this guys bald head? The leading goal scorer on this team (Bobby Ryan) gets probably two shifts in the third period and this guys expects to win hockey games.

I was going to post something very similar last night, but I didn't get on, because I was so pissed after the game, that I thought I would be banned for a while if a hawk fan was posting here.

Teemu was horrible last night. Yeah I know it's been a while, but he was terrible. He mishandled passes, kept turning the puck over, fanned on passes and shots, it was bad. Ryan has been the 2nd best player on our team since he's been here, and RC kills his ice time because Selanne is back. That's pathetic. Personally I'd like to see the two together on the same line for more then they were. Put Ebbett between them instead of Morrison.

I understand being frustrated we all are but a "stupid" coach does not lead his team to a cup. Im willing to accept Carlyle doing whatever he wants even though i hate Morrison constantly playing and Drew Miller still in the lineup

I understand being frustrated we all are but a "stupid" coach does not lead his team to a cup. Im willing to accept Carlyle doing whatever he wants even though i hate Morrison constantly playing and Drew Miller still in the lineup

I don't care. Maybe it is frustration, but there's no excuse for what he's doing now. You don't limit Ryan's ice time when he's the best scorer we have right now, just because Selanne's back. You don't break up a 2nd line with Selanne and Ryan on it after 2 periods just because Morrison keeps turning the puck over. And you don't sit Ebbett when he's played the way he has recently. YOU SIT ****ING MORRISON.

What in the world goes through this guys bald head? The leading goal scorer on this team (Bobby Ryan) gets probably two shifts in the third period and this guys expects to win hockey games.
You mean the kid who is tied for team lead in goals and is on a hot streak? Who wouldn't bench him in the 3rd period of a game we are down a goal when you can put out the power houses of Parros, Miller, and Morrison.

I don't care. Maybe it is frustration, but there's no excuse for what he's doing now. You don't limit Ryan's ice time when he's the best scorer we have right now, just because Selanne's back. You don't break up a 2nd line with Selanne and Ryan on it after 2 periods just because Morrison keeps turning the puck over. And you don't sit Ebbett when he's played the way he has recently. YOU SIT ****ING MORRISON.

Trust me I was amazed as well but look at the big picture he's been the best coach we've ever had and theres nobody in the league available who's better. We just have to let him do his job as im sure he wants the team to win

Other than his goal, Ryan had a pretty poor game himself.

Trust me I was amazed as well but look at the big picture he's been the best coach we've ever had and theres nobody in the league available who's better. We just have to let him do his job as im sure he wants the team to win

Babcock was better, he took a far less talented team a game away from a cup.

And I hate it when fans pull the "there's nobody good available" excuse... have you been out there collecting coaching resumes or some thing that makes you qualified to make that statement?

I'm tired of Carlyle. Have been for quite a while now.

Dressing Morrison over Ebbett last night left me seriously questioning Carlyle. I cut him some slack most of the year, but why sit a young guy who's playing perfectly fine for a guy who STILL can't handle the puck at the NHL level? He has too much confidence (if that's what you call it) in an under-performer and isn't willing to give Ebbett the roster spot he deserves.

On the other hand, he finally seems to be changing his mind on the goalies, starting Hiller twice in a row.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-ducks-blackhawks29-2009jan29,0,3767814.story

One of those unpopular points appears to be the relegation of goaltender Jean-Sebastien Giguere to backup.

For the second consecutive night, Hiller started in goal ahead of Giguere since he returned from starting in the All-Star game in his hometown. Hiller's 2.10 goals-against average is nearly one goal better than that of Giguere, who has twice been pulled from games this month.

Carlyle, though, was in no mood to discuss it.

Asked who the No. 1 goalie was, Carlyle said, "We have 1-A and 1-B. They're both number ones."

So, which one is A and which one is B?

"That's for you to figure out," he said.

Asked if Giguere was healthy, Carlyle said, "I chose Jonas Hiller to play. Write it."

On the other hand, he finally seems to be changing his mind on the goalies, starting Hiller twice in a row.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-ducks-blackhawks29-2009jan29,0,3767814.story

Which I feel was a mistake. Jiggy has been shakey this season but Hiller makes me nervous. That first goal last night was entirely his fault and that second one he lost the puck and his stick somehow. Hiller is a good backup but he's not a number 1. For us to get into the playoffs we need Jiggy to be on form and lead us there. Hiller won't do it.

On topic, I wouldn't say Carlyle's stupid. Dense would be a better word.

I don't think Carlyle is stupid, but I do want a new head coach next season if we can find someone worth firing Carlyle for.

BTW I seem to remember making a fire carlyle thread earlier in the season and getting flamed for it. My how things have changed around here :sarcasm:

Which I feel was a mistake. Jiggy has been shakey this season but Hiller makes me nervous. That first goal last night was entirely his fault and that second one he lost the puck and his stick somehow. Hiller is a good backup but he's not a number 1. For us to get into the playoffs we need Jiggy to be on form and lead us there. Hiller won't do it.

This is absolute crap.

I understand being frustrated we all are but a "stupid" coach does not lead his team to a cup. Im willing to accept Carlyle doing whatever he wants even though i hate Morrison constantly playing and Drew Miller still in the lineup

Carlyle didn't have to do much with the team he was given in 06-07. That team was stacked head to toe and didn't have much adversity to deal with. You really see the value (or lack thereof) of a coach when he's got to mix things up midseason. And as we can see, Carlyle is a dumbass moron.

I would like to see a new coach brought in, someone who gives bobby ryan some dam ice time and someone who will sit somebody if he turns over the puck multiple times a game

Carlyle didn't have to do much with the team he was given in 06-07. That team was stacked head to toe and didn't have much adversity to deal with. You really see the value (or lack thereof) of a coach when he's got to mix things up midseason. And as we can see, Carlyle is a dumbass moron.

So, not only does a coach have to win the Cup in order to be considered "good". He has to do so with a ****** lineup and boat loads of injuries, or similar levels of adversity.

Jesus, I can accept blaming him for this season, but I won't accept the idea that he did anything less than a fantastic job leading the team to the Cup. The implication that it's every easy to coach a team to a championship, regardless of the roster or level of adversity, is complete and utter crap.

I like this board much more when actual discussion takes place rather than a frustration sounding board. Of course, it is my fault for reading a thread titled "Is Carlyle Stupid or Stupid?".

This is absolute crap.

Not really. Okay, maybe it wasn't entirely his fault, but that was a very soft goal. That shot should not have lead to a goal. Hiller saw it all the way, and gave up a bad rebound. The second goal was really no better. You can argue that Hiller lost his stick, but he was completely out of position and lost sight of the puck.

He also let in at least one soft goal in the game against Phoenix.

If this is Giguere, he's being absolutely raked over the coals for it. Sure, in part he would deserve it, because Giguere has had an awful season so far, but let's face it - people are giving Hiller the benefit of the doubt right now, and he still hasn't proven himself a #1 goaltender.

As for Carlyle, I wouldn't say he's stupid, but he's not coaching smart. If says something when it seems like Anaheim has to play against the opposing team, occasionally the refs, and their own coach at times.

That shot should not have lead to a goal. Hiller saw it all the way, and gave up a bad rebound.

This.

So, not only does a coach have to win the Cup in order to be considered "good". He has to do so with a ****** lineup and boat loads of injuries, or similar levels of adversity.

Jesus, I can accept blaming him for this season, but I won't accept the idea that he did anything less than a fantastic job leading the team to the Cup. The implication that it's every easy to coach a team to a championship, regardless of the roster or level of adversity, is complete and utter crap.

I like this board much more when actual discussion takes place rather than a frustration sounding board. Of course, it is my fault for reading a thread titled "Is Carlyle Stupid or Stupid?".

1. A coach doesn't have to prove himself with adversity, but it puts things into perspective.

2. He did a good job in 06-07, don't get me wrong... but like someone else said that team was a powerhouse and its MUCH more impressive from a coaching standpoint what Babcock did with the team in 03. Don't put words or implications in my mouth.

3. It's not your fault for reading the thread... but it is your fault for not realizing that Carlyle is making things harder on himself. The Morrison situation is ridiculous... any trained monkey would have sat him by now. Benching Bobby Ryan or cutting his shifts. Scratching Ebbett. These are stupid coaching moves THIS season. Good for him for winning the cup, but it doesn't make him immune to criticism for STUPID decisions. Hence the name of the thread.

Not really. Okay, maybe it wasn't entirely his fault, but that was a very soft goal.

It was, but like I said entirely his fault is over the line. More than one person fukked up that shift

I think Carlye's strength is his Defensive focus (like Hitchcock) and hes a players coach.

I just don't think hes good at strategy/offensive schemes (thats why I think we really lost out on Babcock).

Our team needs more players that have good puck skills and are hard to knock off the puck... it would also be nice to see some "pick and rolls" like in basketball (it really gives a great advantage if you have the right players).

Don't put words or implications in my mouth.
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[QUOTE]Carlyle didn't have to do much with the team he was given in 06-07.

Thats a more-than reasonable implication based on the tone of the thread and your post. That "powerhouse" team had a collection of youngsters who Carlyle groomed perfectly into key roles. The team will be remembered as a powerhouse largely because of his work with the youth on the team. Most of the key vets are still in place on this year's disappointing club.

These are stupid coaching moves THIS season. Good for him for winning the cup, but it doesn't make him immune to criticism for STUPID decisions.

What part of "I can accept blaming him for this season" did you not understand? I don't agree with the blame, but I don't object to those who hold that opinion or discuss it on the boards. No one is suggesting he is immune to anything. Its the revisionist history that I object to.

Not really. Okay, maybe it wasn't entirely his fault, but that was a very soft goal. That shot should not have lead to a goal. Hiller saw it all the way, and gave up a bad rebound. The second goal was really no better. You can argue that Hiller lost his stick, but he was completely out of position and lost sight of the puck.

He also let in at least one soft goal in the game against Phoenix.

If this is Giguere, he's being absolutely raked over the coals for it. Sure, in part he would deserve it, because Giguere has had an awful season so far, but let's face it - people are giving Hiller the benefit of the doubt right now, and he still hasn't proven himself a #1 goaltender.

As for Carlyle, I wouldn't say he's stupid, but he's not coaching smart. If says something when it seems like Anaheim has to play against the opposing team, occasionally the refs, and their own coach at times.

It's comical that Giguere gets ridiculed for every soft goal he gives up. Then people act like if Hiller was in it would have been a sure win! Fact is, Hiller is being given a chance to prove he can carry this team and he's failing.

It's comical that Giguere gets ridiculed for every soft goal he gives up. Then people act like if Hiller was in it would have been a sure win! Fact is, Hiller is being given a chance to prove he can carry this team and he's failing.

That's why I'm hoping Giguere gets it together. If Anaheim is going to start putting some wins together, Giguere is probably going to be a big part of it. I like Hiller a lot, and I genuinely think he could be the future of this team, but Giguere is the guy I'd trust to help turn things around for this team. He's also the guy I'd want in net for the playoffs.

I don't believe Carlyle is to blame for this season. He's part of the problem, but not the only problem.

Not really. Okay, maybe it wasn't entirely his fault, but that was a very soft goal. That shot should not have lead to a goal. Hiller saw it all the way, and gave up a bad rebound. The second goal was really no better. You can argue that Hiller lost his stick, but he was completely out of position and lost sight of the puck.

He also let in at least one soft goal in the game against Phoenix.

If this is Giguere, he's being absolutely raked over the coals for it. Sure, in part he would deserve it, because Giguere has had an awful season so far, but let's face it - people are giving Hiller the benefit of the doubt right now, and he still hasn't proven himself a #1 goaltender.

As for Carlyle, I wouldn't say he's stupid, but he's not coaching smart. If says something when it seems like Anaheim has to play against the opposing team, occasionally the refs, and their own coach at times.

Thank you, this is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Okay, maybe" entirely was his fault" was a poor choice of words but considering Jiggy shouldn't have been in goal and it was such a big game, Hiller had no margin for error. A strong game in net was the difference in that game and bad officiating but there's nothing they could do about that.

Thank you, this is exactly the point I'm trying to make. Okay, maybe" entirely was his fault" was a poor choice of words but considering Jiggy shouldn't have been in goal and it was such a big game, Hiller had no margin for error. A strong game in net was the difference in that game and bad officiating but there's nothing they could do about that.

Oh, I agree. Hiller had two games in a row that were, well, let's face it they were questionable. After the first game I felt Giguere should have been in net. Win or no win, Hiller wasn't amazing and it was a back-to-back situation. Giguere seemed the logical choice. We need our goaltender to be big for us. Hiller was not in either game. To Hiller's credit, again, he did make some big saves after those two softies against Chicago. Unfortunately, those were two bad goals that cost us.

Giguere is a goaltender we've always been able to count on, especially in the latter half of the season. Okay, he's had a bad season so far, but do people here really think he went from being one of the best in the league to one of the worst? It's far more likely that he will get over his funk, especially with Allaire back and working with him. What I hope is that it's sooner rather than later.

We need Giguere if we are going to make the playoffs and go anywhere once we get there. It's that simple. No goaltender in the NHL has been as clutch as him in the playoffs since 2003. I love the way Hiller plays. He has really solid positional play, and he has an edge over Giguere with his athletic ability. He's cool, he's calm, and the players like him. But he also doesn't have Giguere's experience. He's not a proven #1, and when the playoffs come around, who do you trust more? The one who has proven he can step it up a notch, or the goaltender with no experience at all?

This is my take on this. Without Giguere, I don't see us going anywhere. Even making the playoffs is a big question mark.

Don't put words or implications in my mouth.


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Thats a more-than reasonable implication based on the tone of the thread and your post. That "powerhouse" team had a collection of youngsters who Carlyle groomed perfectly into key roles. The team will be remembered as a powerhouse largely because of his work with the youth on the team. Most of the key vets are still in place on this year's disappointing club.

I never said it was VERY EASY. You put those words in my mouth. All I said is he didn't have to really deal with adversity like he does this season. So you took it a little out of context there.

What part of "I can accept blaming him for this season" did you not understand? I don't agree with the blame, but I don't object to those who hold that opinion or discuss it on the boards. No one is suggesting he is immune to anything. Its the revisionist history that I object to.

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I never said it was VERY EASY. You put those words in my mouth. All I said is he didn't have to really deal with adversity like he does this season. So you took it a little out of context there.

I don't think that's true. He had to deal with some major injury issues. He had to deal with the Pronger suspensions. He did an admirable job of adapting, in the playoffs, to the teams he was playing.

In my opinion, Carlyle was an important part of our Cup win.

I don't think that's true. He had to deal with some major injury issues. He had to deal with the Pronger suspensions. He did an admirable job of adapting, in the playoffs, to the teams he was playing.

In my opinion, Carlyle was an important part of our Cup win.

There were no MAJOR injuries. There were a few minor injuries. Losing Pronger was the only time the team started to struggle... and it was only for 6 weeks or so if I remember correctly. That team was healthy in comparison to most.

There were no MAJOR injuries. There were a few minor injuries. Losing Pronger was the only time the team started to struggle... and it was only for 6 weeks or so if I remember correctly. That team was healthy in comparison to most.

Uhm...

Giguere, Bryzgalov, Marchant, Beauchemin, and Pronger. Furthermore, Niedermayer was playing on a fractured foot.

That seems pretty significant to me. Major does not have to mean long-term. In my opinion, the significance of an injury (to the team) is based primarily on the player injured. Major, in my opinion, also means when the injuries took place. In this case, all of these injuries took place close to one another. They weren't spread out over the course of the season.

Can we all just agree on the fact that Randy Carlyle is not playing with a full deck at times.

He's also the guy I'd want in net for the playoffs.

I don't believe this team will make the playoffs.

I believe the problem with RC is that the team he is putting out on the ice is more equipped to play the style of game that was played the last two years. The style today is more of a speed game and not a physical one. We have problems dealing with the speed teams. The Chicago game was a perfect example. We threw our body around and were more physical. Chicago played a speed game and they forechecked us to death. Whenever they went after the puck carrier our player would panic and give up the puck with a poor pass. Chicago maintained the tempo throughout the game. The bottom line as I see it is that this team is not built around the style of play this year.

Aside from playing Morrison at the expense of Ryan, I don't think RC is able to handle this problem.

I don't believe this team will make the playoffs.

Aside from playing Morrison at the expense of Ryan, I don't think RC is able to handle this problem.

When has that been the case? Ryan and Morrison have been playing on the same line for some time now. It's Morrison getting ice-time rather than Ebbett that bothers me at the moment. Ebbett is just as or more effective in every aspect of the game than Morrison. Now that Teemu is back I think Murray should seriously look into finding Mo a new team.

When has that been the case? Ryan and Morrison have been playing on the same line for some time now. It's Morrison getting ice-time rather than Ebbett that bothers me at the moment. Ebbett is just as or more effective in every aspect of the game than Morrison. Now that Teemu is back I think Murray should seriously look into finding Mo a new team.

Ryan has been all over the place, first, second and fourth line.

As far as the Chicago game goes, Ryan was on the bench and Teemu was on the ice the last 1.5 minutes. Teemu was completely out of synch that game and should have been on the bench and not Ryan.

Your point on Morrison vs. Ebbett is right on. BM, except for a few games has sucked big time and I can't understand what RC likes about his play at all.

Your point on Morrison vs. Ebbett is right on. BM, except for a few games has sucked big time and I can't understand what RC likes about his play at all.

i think MB is paying him so he can play...I really dont see another reason why he would play that much

I never said it was VERY EASY. You put those words in my mouth. All I said is he didn't have to really deal with adversity like he does this season. So you took it a little out of context there.

Saying that, and "he didn't have to do much" is entirely different.

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Riveting.

Would you prefer I act like a complete whiny douchey teenager and fly off the handle at someone for holding a different opinion than mine, as has been the trend around here of late? I don't believe he's to blame for this season's disappointment, but I don't have a real issue with those that can make a solid argument that he is.

Uhm...

Giguere, Bryzgalov, Marchant, Beauchemin, and Pronger. Furthermore, Niedermayer was playing on a fractured foot.

That seems pretty significant to me. Major does not have to mean long-term. In my opinion, the significance of an injury (to the team) is based primarily on the player injured. Major, in my opinion, also means when the injuries took place. In this case, all of these injuries took place close to one another. They weren't spread out over the course of the season.

At what point did the 06 07 team seem lacking in any aspect though? Yeah things got tough when we lost certain people... but others picked up the slack. That team was loaded. When one went down, others scored. This team... different story.

At what point did the 06 07 team seem lacking in any aspect though? Yeah things got tough when we lost certain people... but others picked up the slack. That team was loaded. When one went down, others scored. This team... different story.

That year we had a second line. Lets face it, Morrison and Ebbett won't cut it on the second line. If the Ducks want to compete, they need a true second line center and a #3 defenseman.

Mo to Calgary for a late pick. Open up space to acquire a D or maybe 2nd line C at deadline, though I'm ok giving Ebbett the shot there this year and see what he can do.

I'd give Morrison to Calgary for nothing at this point. Or any team for that matter.

I still think the teams number one need is a number 3-4 defenseman though, Mikkelson clearly has potential but I worry the Ducks are rushing him into a role he's clearly not ready for and it may hurt his development.

This is absolute crap.

Not really. He did what causes him to not be able to be full time starter yet, gave up a really bad rebound. Hiller has been decent at best in the last two games. He gets more praise then he should because of his flashy glove saves.

Hopefully RC knows it's time to start Jiggy against the Avs.

Ryan has been all over the place, first, second and fourth line.

As far as the Chicago game goes, Ryan was on the bench and Teemu was on the ice the last 1.5 minutes. Teemu was completely out of synch that game and should have been on the bench and not Ryan.

Your point on Morrison vs. Ebbett is right on. BM, except for a few games has sucked big time and I can't understand what RC likes about his play at all.

Yes but Bobby hasn't missed shifts at the expense of Morrison. Whenever Bobby is moved around it's to improve a different line. His lack of ice-time late in the last game was noticeable but Teemu almost tied the game. Plus Bobby didn't have a really strong game save for that one goal.

Not really. He did what causes him to not be able to be full time starter yet, gave up a really bad rebound. Hiller has been decent at best in the last two games. He gets more praise then he should because of his flashy glove saves.

Hopefully RC knows it's time to start Jiggy against the Avs.

He said it was ENTIRELY his fault. There were defensive breakdowns on that shift as well. It's not like the shot came in from the point without a screen. So yes, that statement was absolute crap to put it all on Hiller.

He said it was ENTIRELY his fault. There were defensive breakdowns on that shift as well. It's not like the shot came in from the point without a screen. So yes, that statement was absolute crap to put it all on Hiller.

I have since retracted that it was "entirely" his fault but he should have stopped it. Bad defensive breakdown or not that guy had no room to get that puck through but Hiller managed to let him do it.

At what point did the 06 07 team seem lacking in any aspect though? Yeah things got tough when we lost certain people... but others picked up the slack. That team was loaded. When one went down, others scored. This team... different story.

Uhm... well, let me think... during that injury period we had an AHL goaltender. That's lacking in an aspect. When Pronger and Beauchemin were down, our only real solid defenseman was Scotty. You can't take away one #1 defenseman, one top four defenseman, and have another injured #1 defenseman and not be lacking in defense. Not with the price tag on Niedermayer and Pronger.

Uhm... well, let me think... during that injury period we had an AHL goaltender. That's lacking in an aspect. When Pronger and Beauchemin were down, our only real solid defenseman was Scotty. You can't take away one #1 defenseman, one top four defenseman, and have another injured #1 defenseman and not be lacking in defense. Not with the price tag on Niedermayer and Pronger.

We were also sitting pretty in our division with a fat points lead... remember that?

Oh and to answer the question that bears this thread's name:

Yes.

We were also sitting pretty in our division with a fat points lead... remember that?

Which isn't the question you asked at all. A big lead can go *poof* very quickly. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.

BOld move by the bald dude today, I liked it. If Giguere can't pull his head out now, nothing will get it out.

I always preferred the word "daft" myself.

Verdict in again. Carlyle still stupid! Skates Ryan on the 4th line AGAIN!!!!! Even though Eb, Ryan and Selanne have a great two shifts in the third and end up scoring he puts Morrison right back out there. IDIOT!!!!!!!

Which isn't the question you asked at all. A big lead can go *poof* very quickly. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.

And if you don't understand something ask for clarification instead of ranting on like a moron. You think it was difficult for Carlyle to maneuver the team through that so-called adverse time? That wasn't sh.it. The team had a padded lead in points and had MUCH more talent than they do now. I'm starting to wonder if YOU are stupid or stupid.

BOld move by the bald dude today, I liked it. If Giguere can't pull his head out now, nothing will get it out.

Getzlaf definitely is an elite forward in the league.

Verdict in again. Carlyle still stupid! Skates Ryan on the 4th line AGAIN!!!!! Even though Eb, Ryan and Selanne have a great two shifts in the third and end up scoring he puts Morrison right back out there. IDIOT!!!!!!!

Of all the dumb things Carlyle does, skating Ryan with Carter and Parros is not something I mind. I actually like that line quite a lot. Ryan continues to see time on the top power play unit.

If you want to talk about Selanne scoring with Ryan on the ice... big George did too.

Honestly, what would you prefer? A fourth line that has little chance of scoring or one that has a chance every time it hits the ice? Like Hank said Bobby gets 1st PP minutes and is probably our best forward in terms of spreading out our offense. This is one area that Carlyle should get no complaint.

Ryan hadnt been doing anything 5-5 for the last couple games so I didnt mind seeing him on the fourth line either...the Morrison prodding is getting old though. Honestly I dont think we can afford to wait and see with him anymore, and Carlyle has shown that same attitude with the goaltending so I dont see why he isnt using the same mindset with Brenden. The guy is awful every night.

Not only that, but his recent comments concerning the play of Ebbett, saying if a player isnt producing he'll replace him, is highly hypocritical in terms of the looooonnnnggg leash thats been used for Morrison. I dont know how he says that with a straight face.

Honestly, what would you prefer? A fourth line that has little chance of scoring or one that has a chance every time it hits the ice? Like Hank said Bobby gets 1st PP minutes and is probably our best forward in terms of spreading out our offense. This is one area that Carlyle should get no complaint.

But the team is not scoring enough goals so why keep him on the fourth line? The 2nd line isn't looking good and that is where the adrenaline shot is needed most. Your top 2 lines are supposed to be scoring lines... the 3rd line is checking, and the fourth is supposed to be the beef or leftovers.

But the team is not scoring enough goals so why keep him on the fourth line? The 2nd line isn't looking good and that is where the adrenaline shot is needed most. Your top 2 lines are supposed to be scoring lines... the 3rd line is checking, and the fourth is supposed to be the beef or leftovers.

Not scoring enough? We scored 44 goals in the month of January which equates to 3.14 goals a game. Furthermore this entire year we are on pace for 235 goals which would be a 30 goal improvement from last year and mark our fourth best season offensively ever. Goals aren't the problem so spreading them out is not hurting this team. It's keeping them out of the net that is the problem. Being that Bobby has the best plus/minus among forwards on the team I think his presence on the fourth doesn't hurt in that regard either.

To be honest, my biggest problem with Ryan on the 4th line isn't that it might lead to less goals from Ryan. It's that, by trying to have two decent scoring lines instead of one really good one (minus the 1st line), it spreads out the ice time. Meaning, Ryan and Selanne will be on the ice less because Carlyle will be giving the 4th line more ice time and taking it away from the 2nd line. This just seems a bit counter productive to me.

Anaheim has made a habit of running 3 forward lines the majority of the game, and using the 4th line to fill in time and occasionally create energy. I have no problem with that at all. It's worked. Why change it? For all the improvement Parros has had this season, let's face it, the guy still doesn't bring a whole lot to the team when he's on the ice, and neither does Carter or Miller in those roles.

To be honest, my biggest problem with Ryan on the 4th line isn't that it might lead to less goals from Ryan. It's that, by trying to have two decent scoring lines instead of one really good one (minus the 1st line), it spreads out the ice time. Meaning, Ryan and Selanne will be on the ice less because Carlyle will be giving the 4th line more ice time and taking it away from the 2nd line. This just seems a bit counter productive to me.

Anaheim has made a habit of running 3 forward lines the majority of the game, and using the 4th line to fill in time and occasionally create energy. I have no problem with that at all. It's worked. Why change it? For all the improvement Parros has had this season, let's face it, the guy still doesn't bring a whole lot to the team when he's on the ice, and neither does Carter or Miller in those roles.

But for me as long as we're scoring goals I'm happy. Offensively this team is pretty solid especially with Teemu back. If we could just get the PK to be as solid and limit glaring turnovers we'd win a whole lot of games at this point. If anything spreading Ryan around makes each scoring line less of a defensively liability. Plus if Brendan Morrison is going to remain on this team and not be a scratch then it's in the best interest of the team to move Bobby to the forth line because Morrison and Ebbett wouldn't be very effective in that role (though Morrison is failing to prove effective in any role lately).

Not scoring enough? We scored 44 goals in the month of January which equates to 3.14 goals a game. Furthermore this entire year we are on pace for 235 goals which would be a 30 goal improvement from last year and mark our fourth best season offensively ever. Goals aren't the problem so spreading them out is not hurting this team. It's keeping them out of the net that is the problem. Being that Bobby has the best plus/minus among forwards on the team I think his presence on the fourth doesn't hurt in that regard either.

Yeah you heard me, NOT SCORING ENOUGH. I don't care if they score 10,000 goals in March so long as the record still looks like sh.it... they aren't scoring enough. I'm glad it makes you happy though you seem to be easily amused. We don't score when we need to, and yes that is a matter of chemistry... which our 2nd line has none of.

Yeah you heard me, NOT SCORING ENOUGH. I don't care if they score 10,000 goals in March so long as the record still looks like sh.it... they aren't scoring enough. I'm glad it makes you happy though you seem to be easily amused. We don't score when we need to, and yes that is a matter of chemistry... which our 2nd line has none of.

So averaging over three goals a game isn't enough? You officially don't know what you're talking about. You do realize not a team in this league averages four goals a game right? It's defense that's hurting this team. Plain and simple. If you're expecting more offense than we are getting you are in for a long remainder of this season.

Well RC read the boards and decided to put the line we wanted together. They were terrible in the 1st. Selanne is god awful so far in this game. He hasn't had the puck longer then 2 seconds with out turning it over.

Out of curiosity (and laziness that I don't want to count myself), what would the GPG be if you exclude Phoenix?

Out of curiosity (and laziness that I don't want to count myself), what would the GPG be if you exclude Phoenix?

2.85. Still, that's better than half of what the rest of league scores. I don't think anyone is really worried about our offense.

2.85. Still, that's better than half of what the rest of league scores. I don't think anyone is really worried about our offense.
Nah, I'm not worried about our goals for either.

What I am worried about is our shallow D, and the backchecking of the forwards.

In fact, if Carlyle sees Ryan as bad defensively and that's why he's sometimes on the 4th, then I'm fine with that. Although he doesn't seem that bad, just lost occasionally.

Nah, I'm not worried about our goals for either.

What I am worried about is our shallow D, and the backchecking of the forwards.

In fact, if Carlyle sees Ryan as bad defensively and that's why he's sometimes on the 4th, then I'm fine with that. Although he doesn't seem that bad, just lost occasionally.

I really think he only puts him there to spread the offense around. It's obvious Bobby isn't a liability defensively. I really doubt he's been put there in recent games for punishment.

I don't care. Maybe it is frustration, but there's no excuse for what he's doing now. You don't limit Ryan's ice time when he's the best scorer we have right now, just because Selanne's back. You don't break up a 2nd line with Selanne and Ryan on it after 2 periods just because Morrison keeps turning the puck over. And you don't sit Ebbett when he's played the way he has recently. YOU SIT ****ING MORRISON.

You read my thoughts. Morrisson must go !!

So averaging over three goals a game isn't enough? You officially don't know what you're talking about. You do realize not a team in this league averages four goals a game right? It's defense that's hurting this team. Plain and simple. If you're expecting more offense than we are getting you are in for a long remainder of this season.

Is that your official job? Because I thought it was head of fan development in the preschool to kindergarten age bracket with all your infantile fanboy nicknames.

When I say "enough goals" I mean the team (particularly the idiot 2nd lines RC has been formulating) isn't getting enough goals when it needs to. We are losing games by 1 goal night in and night out. You don't think a competent 2nd line would alleviate some of that? Or is your boy B-Money well deserving of his cancerous position on that line? Don't look at some stupid GPG stat... how stupid are you? Do you analyze everything with a calculator? Or do you *gasp* actually watch the games and analyze them on a game-to-game basis. See how that works for you and have Mom and Dad tape the 3rd periods so you don't miss bed time.

2.85. Still, that's better than half of what the rest of league scores. I don't think anyone is really worried about our offense.

Why would you say "over three goals a game" and then post this right afterward? :handclap: