Zajac for Pronger

Kunitz - Getzlaf - Perry
Tangradi - Zajac - Ryan

Kunitz - Getzlaf - Perry
Tangradi - Zajac - Ryan

and on D

Nieds - poop
poop - poop
poop - Mondator

YAY.


I will never condone trading Pronger.

and on D

Nieds - poop
poop - poop
poop - Mondator

YAY.


I will never condone trading Pronger.

The poop brothers will be the most storied family in the NHL.

The poop brothers will be the most storied family in the NHL.

:laugh:

and on D

Nieds - poop
poop - poop
poop - Mondator

YAY.


I will never condone trading Pronger.

On my local radio station they were suggesting Cam Barker + whatever (1st rounder or prospect) for Pronger. Would that be a good deal?

It's not a rumor or anything, but they were saying the Blackhawks have all these young guys who are going to get nice raises soon, so they may go for it all now.

and on D

Nieds - poop
poop - poop
poop - Mondator

YAY.


I will never condone trading Pronger.

Or go hard after Bouwmeester. Festerling is a solid #4 defenseman and Mikkelson is still young. We also have Mitera and Gardner in the making.

Next year the Ducks could look something like this:

Kunitz - Getzlaf - Perry = 14.175 cap hit
Ryan - Zajac - Selanne = 7.889 cap hit (3 year/4.25 deal for Zajac)
Miller - Carter - R. Niedermayer = 2.15 cap hit (1 year/1 mil deal for R. Niedermayer)
x - x - Parros = 2.0 cap hit

Total cap: 26.714 million

S. Niedermayer(1 year/6 mil) - Beauchemin(1 year/2.75 mil)
Bouwmeester - Festerling
Montador - Mikkelson

Total cap: 18 million

Giguere
Hiller

Total cap: 7.3

Team cap: 52.093

Next year the Ducks could look something like this:

Kunitz - Getzlaf - Perry = 14.175 cap hit
Ryan - Zajac - Selanne = 7.889 cap hit (3 year/4.25 deal for Zajac)
Miller - Carter - R. Niedermayer = 2.15 cap hit (1 year/1 mil deal for R. Niedermayer)
x - x - Parros = 2.0 cap hit

Total cap: 26.714 million

S. Niedermayer(1 year/6 mil) - Beauchemin(1 year/2.75 mil)
Bouwmeester - Festerling
Montador - Mikkelson

Total cap: 18 million

Giguere
Hiller

Total cap: 7.3

Team cap: 52.093
I like that team but seriously doubt 9.25 is enough for JayBo, Festerling, Montador and Mikkelson. Although the difference could be made up with trading Kunitz, replacing him with Carter and having Ebbett center the third line. I feel Carter could provide 90% of what Kunitz does on the top line. Forecheck, backcheck, hitting and scoring.

I like that team but seriously doubt 9.25 is enough for JayBo, Festerling, Montador and Mikkelson. Although the difference could be made up with trading Kunitz, replacing him with Carter and having Ebbett center the third line. I feel Carter could provide 90% of what Kunitz does on the top line. Forecheck, backcheck, hitting and scoring.

JayBo gets 7, Festerling gets .800k, Montador .900k, and Mikkselson cap hit is .500k or something.

On my local radio station they were suggesting Cam Barker + whatever (1st rounder or prospect) for Pronger. Would that be a good deal?

It's not a rumor or anything, but they were saying the Blackhawks have all these young guys who are going to get nice raises soon, so they may go for it all now.

I imagine the Hawks would have trouble fitting Pronger under the cap for this year unless they dealt Khabibulin or Havlat as well. Alledgedly they have/had a deal for Michael Nylander earlier this year, but they couldn't pull it off because of the cap.

Or go hard after Bouwmeester.

I think there will be 25 teams also going hard after Bouwmeester. You hate to go into the offseason assuming you're going to land the ideal guy.

We'll see what happens with the cap, but I would think a 25 year old Bouwmeester is more valuable than a 29 year old Brian Campbell. And Campbell landed an 8 year, 56.8 million dollar deal.

I've always said I like J-Bo, but I just don't know if he's the guy I'm gonna bank on for the contract he's going to command. Then again, plenty of people said that about Niedermayer at the same age.

JayBo gets 7, Festerling gets .800k, Montador .900k, and Mikkselson cap hit is .500k or something.JayBo will get more than that, Mikkelson's hit is 821'667$

I would be much more for dealing Scotty.

1. I think Pronger could be a part of this core going forward past the current contract.

2. I think Bouwmeester is much more like Scotty than he is Pronger.

1. Scott is the undisputed Captain of the Ducks, so they will not trade him but attempt to resign him.

2. Festerling is not a top 4 defenseman. He's like Huskins in that when you give him 20+ minutes you start to see many more mistakes.

3. Trading Pronger is possible to free up $ for Boumester, but ZAJAC is not even close to what the ducks will accept. They will need a legit 2nd liner with good potential to be more than that (i.e. JVR, Jordan Staal, Patrick Bergland, Stamkos, etc).

1. Scott is the undisputed Captain of the Ducks, so they will not trade him but attempt to resign him.

2. Festerling is not a top 4 defenseman. He's like Huskins in that when you give him 20+ minutes you start to see many more mistakes.

3. Trading Pronger is possible to free up $ for Boumester, but ZAJAC is not even close to what the ducks will accept. They will need a legit 2nd liner with good potential to be more than that (i.e. JVR, Jordan Staal, Patrick Bergland, Stamkos, etc).

Zajac is a legit 2nd liner with potential to be more than that. He is very good from what Ive have seen...

1. Scott is the undisputed Captain of the Ducks, so they will not trade him but attempt to resign him.

2. Festerling is not a top 4 defenseman. He's like Huskins in that when you give him 20+ minutes you start to see many more mistakes.

3. Trading Pronger is possible to free up $ for Boumester, but ZAJAC is not even close to what the ducks will accept. They will need a legit 2nd liner with good potential to be more than that (i.e. JVR, Jordan Staal, Patrick Bergland, Stamkos, etc).

Festerling has played great this season! Mikkelson is the Huskins of 09.

A legit 2nd liner--Zajac is more then that.

So where were we at again?

So where were we at again?

Back to New Jersey and Anaheim not being great trade partners?

Back to New Jersey and Anaheim not being great trade partners?

If you insist.

Zajac a legit 2nd liner with potential? All I see is another RJ Umberger - hes got good size and speed but hes very soft (not what the Ducks normally want unless his skill level is top notch like Mcdonald). I dont think Zajac is a good 2 way guy and hes not great in the faceoff circle either.

I think it would be fair trade value if Pronger was a free agent next year, but having that extra year (so 1 playoff run + trade for next year) really makes a difference.

Besides, I dont think NJ would want Pronger, they would want Scotty back instead.

Zajac a legit 2nd liner with potential? All I see is another RJ Umberger - hes got good size and speed but hes very soft (not what the Ducks normally want unless his skill level is top notch like Mcdonald). I dont think Zajac is a good 2 way guy and hes not great in the faceoff circle either.

I think it would be fair trade value if Pronger was a free agent next year, but having that extra year (so 1 playoff run + trade for next year) really makes a difference.

Besides, I dont think NJ would want Pronger, they would want Scotty back instead.

Not a 2 way guy yet he plays on the PK? Sounds like Shakespeare.

I wish the the Duck GM Murray does a reversal of strategy by going more Offensive = more exciting than the current puck dumping!

Imaging if they traded Pronger (6.25 /yr), Morrison (2.75 /yr), Mikkelson, and Logan MacMillan for:

Lecavalier (7.72/yr - 11yrs/85 million) and Ranger(1 million)/Mihalik?

The only major problem is that the ducks would not have much money for defense (cant sign Boumester or Beauchimin). If we don't resign Marchant, that would mean about 2.4 million that can be moved for Dmen.

Million Dollar Dmen:
Scotty - 6.5 ( hopefully he re-signs this or less)
Ranger/Montador - 1?

Yeah... that would be a crappy defense unless we could sign a FA at about 2 million. Our prospects (Mitera/Gardiner) would have to really fill in the void. Plus Lecavalier's contract is scary long...

The poop brothers will be the most storied family in the NHL.

Nah, just the most storied in the history of the Ducks.

Not a 2 way guy yet he plays on the PK? Sounds like Shakespeare.

LOL, this is just like the offer of Pronger getting Jeff Carter.

If you think so highly of Zajac then keep him and see if he becomes more than a consistent 45-55 pt guy. I just do not think the return is enough for a pairing dman (yes, Pronger might be regressing but hes still a top 2 guy for at least a few more years)

Imaging if they traded Pronger (6.25 /yr), Morrison (2.75 /yr), Mikkelson, and Logan MacMillan for:

Lecavalier (7.72/yr - 11yrs/85 million) and Ranger(1 million)/Mihalik?

I'd rather trade the poop brothers for Ovechkin as long as we're imagining things.

(i.e. JVR, Jordan Staal, Patrick Bergland, Stamkos, etc).

All those GMS would laugh at Murray if he offered just Pronger for any of those players.

I wish the the Duck GM Murray does a reversal of strategy by going more Offensive = more exciting than the current puck dumping!

Imaging if they traded Pronger (6.25 /yr), Morrison (2.75 /yr), Mikkelson, and Logan MacMillan for:

Lecavalier (7.72/yr - 11yrs/85 million) and Ranger(1 million)/Mihalik?

The only major problem is that the ducks would not have much money for defense (cant sign Boumester or Beauchimin). If we don't resign Marchant, that would mean about 2.4 million that can be moved for Dmen.

Million Dollar Dmen:
Scotty - 6.5 ( hopefully he re-signs this or less)
Ranger/Montador - 1?

Yeah... that would be a crappy defense unless we could sign a FA at about 2 million. Our prospects (Mitera/Gardiner) would have to really fill in the void. Plus Lecavalier's contract is scary long...

:shakehead

Amazing how bad of an offer this is.

I'd say the best possible trading partner for Pronger is Boston. They don't have to move too much salary, they have a lot of quality youth and they very much are in win now mode with the free agents they have after the season.

Mark Stuart/Matt Hunwick, Zach Hamill, 1st, 3rd seems decent to me.

I wish the the Duck GM Murray does a reversal of strategy by going more Offensive = more exciting than the current puck dumping!

Imaging if they traded Pronger (6.25 /yr), Morrison (2.75 /yr), Mikkelson, and Logan MacMillan for:

Lecavalier (7.72/yr - 11yrs/85 million) and Ranger(1 million)/Mihalik?

The only major problem is that the ducks would not have much money for defense (cant sign Boumester or Beauchimin). If we don't resign Marchant, that would mean about 2.4 million that can be moved for Dmen.

Million Dollar Dmen:
Scotty - 6.5 ( hopefully he re-signs this or less)
Ranger/Montador - 1?

Yeah... that would be a crappy defense unless we could sign a FA at about 2 million. Our prospects (Mitera/Gardiner) would have to really fill in the void. Plus Lecavalier's contract is scary long...

You're insane, I seriously don't understand how badly you overrate Pronger's value.

Zajac a legit 2nd liner with potential? All I see is another RJ Umberger - hes got good size and speed but hes very soft (not what the Ducks normally want unless his skill level is top notch like Mcdonald). I dont think Zajac is a good 2 way guy and hes not great in the faceoff circle either.

This year Zajac has been averaging 18:56 a game, 3 minutes on the PP, 2 on the PK. He's 51.9% on faceoffs this year, 51.2% last year. His rookie year was 46.9%. He's on pace for 27 goals and 63 points. That seems like the production you'd want out of a 2nd line center. Plus compared to last year, Zajac has played expontentially better so there's hope that there's still room for improvement. His defense has been pretty solid to the point where he and Elias have been fairly good as the 2nd unit PK forwards. He's picked up a couple shorthanded points in recent games. I know +/- isn't the greatest stat, but the guy is a +19 through 47 games. This isn't like Mike Cammalleri putting up a point per game and being a -7.

Umberger is kind of a different boat as he was usually used as a winger since the Flyers have had tremendous center depth (Forsberg, Richards, Carter, Briere, Handzus) since the lockout. In 2005-06, Keith Primeau took more draws in 9 games than Umberger did in 73.

and on D

Nieds - poop
poop - poop
poop - Mondator

YAY.


I will never condone trading Pronger.

Completely agree. Trading Pronger is stupid, unless it's completely ridiculous in the Ducks favor. He's the only defensemen under contract next season right now! IMO, trading Pronger should be the farthest thing away from everyone's mind right now.

Completely agree. Trading Pronger is stupid, unless it's completely ridiculous in the Ducks favor. He's the only defensemen under contract next season right now! IMO, trading Pronger should be the farthest thing away from everyone's mind right now.
If Niedermayer re-signs first, then I could entertain thoughts of trading Pronger to give this team some salary-cap balance.

Right now we're a little too top-heavy on D.

If Niedermayer re-signs first, then I could entertain thoughts of trading Pronger to give this team some salary-cap balance.

Right now we're a little too top-heavy on D.

I agree. I think in the end it comes down to our defensive depth - we don't have much. We rely heavily on Niedermayer and Pronger to absorb large amounts of minutes and play like, well, Niedermayer and Pronger. Even if Pronger were moved, and I stress if, the trade would probably need to include another defenseman. How can Anaheim afford to move Pronger and not try to fill the void of his loss? I would expect either a top prospect defenseman or a good top four defenseman, and Anaheim needing one of those things is going to change the whole outlook of the trade.

as a bit of an outsider, I think that Zajac + would land Pronger, but the obvious obstacle here is taking on an extra 5 mill on a one for one deal is not feasible for the devils, they will have to dump at least another 3 million (and then make the necessary adjustments in the offseason) in order for it to work, as the cap is sure to come down, and they only have 2 mill of room right now.
One player that could go in a 1 for 1 with Pronger is Gionta. He would fit well in the lineup, and works much better in the salary scheme of things. He brings as much as Zajac, except he has more experience/age.

Looks like Pronger got the memo about a possible trade deadline move last night.

Zajac a legit 2nd liner with potential? All I see is another RJ Umberger - hes got good size and speed but hes very soft (not what the Ducks normally want unless his skill level is top notch like Mcdonald). I dont think Zajac is a good 2 way guy and hes not great in the faceoff circle either.

I think it would be fair trade value if Pronger was a free agent next year, but having that extra year (so 1 playoff run + trade for next year) really makes a difference.

Besides, I dont think NJ would want Pronger, they would want Scotty back instead.

Might be the most blantantly wrong post I've read in a while....Its almost like opposite-world.

He is one of the best two way guys currently in New Jersey, and NJ has a lot of very good 2 way players.

Zajac is without a doubt their best defensive center.

Zajac is tied for 1st on the team in +/- +22 That is top 10 in the league.(That would lead the Ducks).

He Kills penalties and has 2 short handed points (That would lead the Ducks)

Zajac is the Devils best faceoff man @ 52% he would only be behind Pahlsson's 53.4 on the ducks.

Zajac is currently their #1 Center. He is 3rd in team goals and is 4th in team scoring on a team that 7th in the League in Scoring.

Finally Zajac is only 23 years old and makes less than a $1M

Actually Zajac's value is off the charts and I don't think the Devils would move him.


Ohh yeah...And he is Far from "Soft". Yes, that is Brendan Witt.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r166/JimEIV/Zajac-Witt.jpg

as a bit of an outsider, I think that Zajac + would land Pronger, but the obvious obstacle here is taking on an extra 5 mill on a one for one deal is not feasible for the devils, they will have to dump at least another 3 million (and then make the necessary adjustments in the offseason) in order for it to work, as the cap is sure to come down, and they only have 2 mill of room right now.
One player that could go in a 1 for 1 with Pronger is Gionta. He would fit well in the lineup, and works much better in the salary scheme of things. He brings as much as Zajac, except he has more experience/age.

Gionta is a UFA to be, we might as well just wait until the offseason and make him an offer.