Niedermayer at the deadline?

There's scuttle that the Ducks might be shopping Pronger, but perhaps it would make sense to trade UFA to be Niedermayer. Pronger still has a year on his deal. Nieds hints at retirement.

Say the Devils are looking like strong contenders at the deadline. Would you welcome Nieds back?

Bonus win or lose he retires a NJ Devil.

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Mostly because he's exactly what the Devils need - a #1 defenseman - I'd take him back. I'd prefer a Kaberle, though, with his longer contract, youth, and smaller cap hit.

I would welcome him back easily if we could somehow get Pando to anaheim.

Niedermayer back here would be a dream come true.

we have to take both of them?

we have to take both of them?
Scotty N doesn't have a NTC, so nope.

Mmmm would you rather have Pronger?

Mmmm would you rather have Pronger?

No.

Not even a bit.

Mmmm would you rather have Pronger?
Not for the increase in probable cost. Not to mention it would hamstring us the following season.

I'm thinking for a real run at the chalice Nieds would be pretty epic. Than he retires as a Devil.

What would it cost Lou to bring back Nieds?

I'm thinking for a real run at the chalice Nieds would be pretty epic. Than he retires as a Devil.

What would it cost Lou to bring back Nieds?
A first and a prospect. Campbell-grade return.

No.

Not even a bit.

Pronger is a better defenseman. Of course, however, he'd be much more expensive to acquire.

Pronger is a better defenseman. Of course, however, he'd be much more expensive to acquire.


Mmmm cant agree there

Mmmm cant agree there
Are you Hungry or something? It seems you like saying mmmmm a lot.:D

I'd Rather have Kaberle or J Bo, but Neids retiring as a Devil would be a dream come true.

Mmmm cant agree there

The guy has been in 2 of the last 3 finals. Was one of the key reasons for Edmonton getting there in '06 and it's no coincidence that Niedermayer's Ducks won after they acquired Pronger that offseason.

**** him! His leaving caused all of us (with Lou's panic to replace him with subpar D-men) heartburn for the past few years.

Move forward without mention of his name. I'd rather see someone else here.

**** him! His leaving caused all of us (with Lou's panic to replace him with subpar D-men) heartburn for the past few years.

Move forward with mention of his name. I'd rather see someone else here.
:facepalm: Thats a great way to show respect to one of the franchises most important players ever.

**** him! His leaving caused all of us (with Lou's panic to replace him with subpar D-men) heartburn for the past few years.

Move forward with mention of his name. I'd rather see someone else here.

For all my pragmatism about bringing back Holik, this is pretty much how I feel about Niedermayer. He hated this team. Did you see his face after we won the cup in 2003? It looked like someone just killed his puppy or something. He's never won anything as a #1 anyway: Nied-my-Stevens, Nied-my-Pronger.

**** off. I'd rather have J-Bo, Pronger, Kaberle, or really anyone that can stickhandle through the neutral zone.

:facepalm: Thats a great way to show respect to one of the franchises most overrated players ever.

Niedermayer spent 8 years as a head case and 2 years as a great defenseman here (neither of which resulted in a Stanley cup because Stevens was gone).

And please don't suggest he would've put up more points if not for our "stifling system" Brian Rafalski certainly had no problem putting points up.

Niedermayer spent 8 years as a head case and 2 years as a great defenseman here (neither of which resulted in a Stanley cup because Stevens was gone).

And please don't suggest he would've put up more points if not for our "stifling system" Brian Rafalski certainly had no problem putting points up.

Outlander!

I'd Rather have Kaberle or J Bo, but Neids retiring as a Devil would be a dream come true.

You hit the name on the head there. I'd rather see the Panthers flounder & fail to make the playoffs. Then, a player like Bouwmeester (who’s never been to the playoffs) comes here with the hunger for a Stanley Cup.

Send them Greene, Bergfors & Corrente & our 1st for 2009.

:facepalm: Thats a great way to show respect to one of the franchises most important players ever.

I have no respect for him. That was then, this is now.

And yeah, Lou showed him the same respect back by quickly giving his number away to Mottau.

I have no respect for him. That was then, this is now.

And yeah, Lou showed him the same respect back by quickly giving his number away to Mottau.
Tallackson and Clarkson both wore 27 before Mottau.

I'm not totally convinced Stevens *was* the #1 in 2003.

Not for the increase in probable cost. Not to mention it would hamstring us the following season.

Yes, we would be stuck with one of the best dmen in the league at a fairly reasonable price. I'd love to be humstrung next year like that.

That said, Lou isn't going to gut the team to get Pronger, whereas Nieds is actually a real possiblity (if Anaheim gives up on the year, which they probably won't).

I'm not totally convinced Stevens *was* the #1 in 2003.

That's ok - Burns was. (Thank God)

Yes, we would be stuck with one of the best dmen in the league at a fairly reasonable price. I'd love to be humstrung next year like that.

That said, Lou isn't going to gut the team to get Pronger, whereas Nieds is actually a real possiblity (if Anaheim gives up on the year, which they probably won't).
At $7,000,000 for Pronger the following season, it would be next to impossible to retain all of our key free agents.

That's ok - Burns was. (Thank God)

not so sure he was either. Stevens had a couple of great moments in that playoffs but White and Nieds were the better defensive pair, even with Nieds ****show in the 3rd period against Ottawa in Game 7.

Thinking back to that playoffs, Stevens was game 4 against Tampa and almost killing Kariya. There wasn't that much else in it. Nieds was strong the entire playoffs (other than that period) and was one of the reasons Giguere got the Conn Smythe

I have found myself watching many Ducks games this season and Niedermayer looks bored. I watched their biggest game of the year last week, against Detroit, and Niedermayer was not good at all. Detroit was all over him causing one turnover after another, one which led directly to a goal. It almost looks like he doesn't care anymore.

I know Lou is bringing back alot of former Devils like Holik and Shanahan but they are playing limited roles. If Niedermayer came here he would be the number 1 defenseman for the rest of the season and playoffs and that scares the hell out of me. I rather Lou put all his efforts towards JayBo/Kaberle first before going after Niedermayer. Just my 2 cents.

not so sure he was either. Stevens had a couple of great moments in that playoffs but White and Nieds were the better defensive pair, even with Nieds ****show in the 3rd period against Ottawa in Game 7.

Thinking back to that playoffs, Stevens was game 4 against Tampa and almost killing Kariya. There wasn't that much else in it. Nieds was strong the entire playoffs (other than that period) and was one of the reasons Giguere got the Conn Smythe

Yeah, but do you know why Stevens hit Kariya? It's because he was out there against Anaheim's top line, the KAOS line. Just like he was out there against the top lines of the other teams in the first three rounds. I remember lots of video in the 2003 DVD where Madden and Stevens are in the same frame.

As for the CS, I don't even like to think about it because it's revolting that JSG got that trophy. Almost as ridiculous as him starting the All Star Game.

I have found myself watching many Ducks games this season and Niedermayer looks bored.

lol, that sounds familiar.

he only gets to come back if he does this again


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he only gets to come back if he does this again


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That's one of Niedermayer's greatest moments. Hilarious! You can see Brodeur dying of laughter in the background.

That's one of Niedermayer's greatest moments. Hilarious! You can see Brodeur dying of laughter in the background.

why was marty on the bench for that game. what year was that?

why was marty on the bench for that game. what year was that?
1999-2001. Somewhere in there.

I would definitly like to see Niedermayer in a Devils jersey again. Pronger's salary is to high and Nieds is a UFA after this season, so we can still resign Zajac & co. plus make a serious run for the SC this season.

Of course the price got to be right!

Ha, no. Nieds doesn't care about another Stanley Cup, hell he hasn't care about his last two. He'd sooner be up in the mountains, smoking a phat roach. I don't think he has the drive or "it" anymore.

Much rather have Kaberle.

For all my pragmatism about bringing back Holik, this is pretty much how I feel about Niedermayer. He hated this team. Did you see his face after we won the cup in 2003? It looked like someone just killed his puppy or something. He's never won anything as a #1 anyway: Nied-my-Stevens, Nied-my-Pronger.

**** off. I'd rather have J-Bo, Pronger, Kaberle, or really anyone that can stickhandle through the neutral zone.

:laugh: give me a break.........Scotty was just sad that he beat his brother, he's a family man, always has been. To see his little brother crushed it affected him.


If he hated this team, he doesn't kick that Rangers jersey.

If he hated this team, he doesn't kick that Rangers jersey.

That doesn't mean anything DF, everyone hates the Rags. :sarcasm:

That doesn't mean anything DF, everyone hates the Rags. :sarcasm:

Especially women, and moreover their boyfriends. :sarcasm:


but as much as we Neid a number 1 guy, I'm not ****in trading a bunch of our assets for a couple more weeks of a guy that did **** us over quite a bit. **** that ****.

I'd rather have Pronger. I want Nieds to go to the NYR at the deadline and then retire at the end of the season so I can watch them celebrate his illustrious career as a Blueshirt.

Especially women, and moreover their boyfriends. :sarcasm:


but as much as we Neid a number 1 guy, I'm not ****in trading a bunch of our assets for a couple more weeks of a guy that did **** us over quite a bit. **** that ****.

That and I can't believe people want back someone who has already jerked Anaheim around the past 2 years with his indecision on whether he really wants to play, then if he will play, and then when he shall play... that's the kind of individualism this team really needs - NOT.

His attitude is far too blase for me at this point. Give me Bieska, Pronger (we're not keeping everyone anyways and he can be moved too), Jay-Bo, or Kaberle but not Nieds. The band already has a bassist anyways...

**** no to Niedermayer! I'm loving the misery he is in with Anaheim right now!

The man screwed us over and this team had a hard time fixing the damage. I don't want anything to do with the guy anymore, even if he's still among the top 15 d-men in the league.

I think Nieds might be the most talented out of the bunch, and is exactly what we need. But who knows with him. How hard he'll play.

Out of all the guys RG mentioned, they'd all be hungrier for the cup. Hungrier than Nieds. Even Pronger, who has a cup under his belt. He's a competitor. But a guy like Kaberle would be on his game for a shot at the cup.

As long as his awful roast beef faced mother stays in Anaheim.

As long as his awful roast beef faced mother stays in Anaheim.

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I think Nieds might be the most talented out of the bunch, and is exactly what we need. But who knows with him. How hard he'll play.

Out of all the guys RG mentioned, they'd all be hungrier for the cup. Hungrier than Nieds. Even Pronger, who has a cup under his belt. He's a competitor. But a guy like Kaberle would be on his game for a shot at the cup.

Kaberle and Bieska would be a good fit for our long term outlook - this teams 3-5 plan is looking shaky right now.

Tallackson and Clarkson both wore 27 before Mottau.

True that. Double true.

I'd rather have Pronger.

**** no to Niedermayer! I'm loving the misery he is in with Anaheim right now!

The man screwed us over and this team had a hard time fixing the damage. I don't want anything to do with the guy anymore, even if he's still among the top 15 d-men in the league.

:yo:

I wouldn't give up a first just to rent him. He doesn't look like he has the drive and may very well mess up the good chemistry we have going on the team.

Might end up turning a good playoff chance into an early exit.

I'm not giving up a first unless we can get a guy who will be with us at least through next season. We're not in any position to acquire big name rentals. Just look at how bad Pittsburgh screwed themselves with the Hossa deal. If they won a Cup it would have worked out great, but they didn't and now Florida is better than them.

Pronger is a better defenseman. Of course, however, he'd be much more expensive to acquire.

I'd still rather have him. He brings his game and has a mean streak this team has missed (partially filled by Holik's return). I'd give up a little more for him.

That and I can't believe people want back someone who has already jerked Anaheim around the past 2 years with his indecision on whether he really wants to play, then if he will play, and then when he shall play... that's the kind of individualism this team really needs - NOT.

His attitude is far too blase for me at this point. Give me Bieska, Pronger (we're not keeping everyone anyways and he can be moved too), Jay-Bo, or Kaberle but not Nieds. The band already has a bassist anyways...

Brett Favre? :sarcasm:

Anyway, I would love to have Neids back.. He fits the mold we're all looking for.. I used to hold a grudge, but after reading the article with Lou & Marty not holding anything against him, it's hard to stay mad.. After all, they know a lot more about the situation than we do

Brett Favre? :sarcasm:


No, Favre didn't suddenly decide to go play for the Raiders when the Packers were ready to make a Superbowl run...

Brett Favre? :sarcasm:

Anyway, I would love to have Neids back.. He fits the mold we're all looking for.. I used to hold a grudge, but after reading the article with Lou & Marty not holding anything against him, it's hard to stay mad.. After all, they know a lot more about the situation than we do

I'd love to have him back if he is here to play. But not at that cost. Sign him next year when he's a UFA.

I think we can win the cup without him this year.

I saw Nieds play at the Garden on Tuesday. (Free ticket, why not!) He looked incredible. He was never out of position and his skating was as solid as ever. Would be a great move, but not a chance in hell of him coming back.

Bash Niedermayer all you like, but without him we don't win that 3rd cup.

I don't understand how anyone can hold a grudge? He wanted to play with his brother, it was pretty simple. He wasn't a Judas like Gomez. I feel that is totally understandable...

Rolston, Holik, Shanny and Nieds? Wow, what a reunion and what a way for Nieds to to go out by helping the Devils win a 4th cup. I see a made for TV movie or at least for the NHL Channel. :D

I really don't understand all the hatred towards Niedermayer. Scott didn't betray us either. I know people are gonna say he waited too long to make a decision, but obviously it was a really tough choice for him. It means he was really mulling it over, and ultimately he wanted to go win a cup with his brother, and he did. Good for him. I have no problem with Nieds, same for Raffy.

I really don't understand all the hatred towards Niedermayer. Scott didn't betray us either. I know people are gonna say he waited too long to make a decision, but obviously it was a really tough choice for him. It means he was really mulling it over, and ultimately he wanted to go win a cup with his brother, and he did. Good for him. I have no problem with Nieds, same for Raffy.

Scott did betray us. Niedermayer did alot for the Devils but the Devils also did alot for the Niedermayer. They helped make him the defenseman he became and when the Devils needed him most he bailed. Stevens was gone and to lose a player of Niedermayers stature soon after was going to be crippling. The Devils are still trying to recover from Nieds leaving.

While stuff like that happens all the time in sports you can't blame Devils fans for being upset with him. No matter what reason he left for the bottom line is that he left and fans don't forget. The same way we won't forget Brodeur's loyalty. It goes both ways.

Personally I'm indifferent towards Niedermayer at this point. I don't love him or hate him. I don't care if they get him or not but I'd love to aqcuire a dman that has the hunger to win something. Niedermayer isn't that guy anymore.

I don't care if they get him or not but I'd love to aqcuire a dman that has the hunger to win something. Niedermayer isn't that guy anymore.

If he didn't have the drive to be the heir to the Scott Stevens throne - both in the fans and medias eyes - then thats his fault. Stevens had a similar career, starting off as a very quick skating offensive player and he evolved into a stay at home, bone crushing d-man. Scotty Neids could have potentially kept a more neutral balance and really become the number one D-man in the league.

But he chose to win a Cup with his brother. Family first, right? It's a tough call...

I really don't understand all the hatred towards Niedermayer. Scott didn't betray us either. I know people are gonna say he waited too long to make a decision, but obviously it was a really tough choice for him. It means he was really mulling it over, and ultimately he wanted to go win a cup with his brother, and he did. Good for him. I have no problem with Nieds, same for Raffy.

I think the problem was that Lou was assuming that Nieds was coming back after he offered the max, only to have Burke come down and swoop nieds by using the brother card. By then, we were screwed.

I think the problem was that Lou was assuming that Nieds was coming back after he offered the max, only to have Burke come down and swoop nieds by using the brother card. By then, we were screwed.

If the brother issue was that significant all he had to do was tell Lou that and I'm sure we would have seen him on the 4th line and in return Scott could have signed for far less than was offered. He chose to leave the team hanging when it needed him the most.

Loyalty to his brother is the only reason Lou still speaks out on the issue - he can respect that in and of itself, but probably not the way Scott handled it.

True that. Double true.

I thought that Malakhov actually had #27 first- in the first training camp about 2 months after Nieds left.

If the brother issue was that significant all he had to do was tell Lou that and I'm sure we would have seen him on the 4th line and in return Scott could have signed for far less than was offered. He chose to leave the team hanging when it needed him the most.

Loyalty to his brother is the only reason Lou still speaks out on the issue - he can respect that in and of itself, but probably not the way Scott handled it.

Lou knew about the brother situation and he did try to acquire Rob Niedermayer but Burke was being a stubborn dick and wouldn't trade rob. The rumor was that he wanted Gomez as part of a deal for Rob Niedermayer, ridiculous.

I don't understand how anyone can hold a grudge? He wanted to play with his brother, it was pretty simple. He wasn't a Judas like Gomez. I feel that is totally understandable...

I believe Lou offered Nieds more money than the Ducks. And Lou did try to get Rob. I have no ill will towards Scott. Just wish he could have remained a Devil somehow.

I hear that Lou wants to add a defenseman before the deadline. I say promote Anssi Salmela and see how he does.

Martin, Oduya, and Salvador are our top 3 blueliners. Whitey seems to have a guaranteed spot. Andy Greene and Mike Mottau are okay. If Salmela is not an improvement over either Greene or Mottau, I can see Lou going after someone. But I would not include a first-rounder unless we get a player who will be with us for at least two more years. Lou should look into Mark Streit. He would be great for our PP and is a somewhat solid defender, who can also play the wing in a pinch. Streit can rush the puck and is a helluva skater. Great shot, too.

Send us Rob so we can send him down to Lowell. And then send us his mother so we can use her face as a rock quarry

Send us Rob so we can send him down to Lowell. And then send us his mother so we can use her face as a rock quarry

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:facepalm: Thats a great way to show respect to one of the franchises most important players ever.

Where was the respect for his fellow teammates, John McMullen, Lou Lamoriello and Devils fans when he (along with Arnott) left the defending Stanley Cup championship team hanging out to dry for 20 games at the start of the 2000-2001 season due to a contract holdout?

Where was the respect for his fellow teammates, John McMullen, Lou Lamoriello and Devils fans when he (along with Arnott) left the defending Stanley Cup championship team hanging out to dry for 20 games at the start of the 2000-2001 season due to a contract holdout?

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I thought that Malakhov actually had #27 first- in the first training camp about 2 months after Nieds left.

LOL...I think you're right.

Even a bigger insult/jab at Neids!!!

Bash Niedermayer all you like, but without him we don't win that 3rd cup.

I see you started drinking early this morning. :shakehead

I guess in your eyes this team is a paper tiger without Neids despite their stellar play so far this season? :rolleyes:

I see you started drinking early this morning. :shakehead

I guess in your eyes this team is a paper tiger without Neids despite their stellar play so far this season? :rolleyes:

Not to be a dick or anything, but how did you come up with that from the post he wrote? :huh:

Where was the respect for his fellow teammates, John McMullen, Lou Lamoriello and Devils fans when he (along with Arnott) left the defending Stanley Cup championship team hanging out to dry for 20 games at the start of the 2000-2001 season due to a contract holdout?

Not only that, but where was the respect when he left as a UFA on the 2:nd day of free agency when he planned to move on all along?! He screwed the Devils over, and the ****er deserves no respect from us! He can burn in hell for all I care...

I see you started drinking early this morning. :shakehead

I guess in your eyes this team is a paper tiger without Neids despite their stellar play so far this season? :rolleyes:

Yeah I agree with Harrison, what the hell are you talking about??

Not only that, but where was the respect when he left as a UFA on the 2:nd day of free agency when he planned to move on all along?! He screwed the Devils over, and the ****er deserves no respect from us! He can burn in hell for all I care...

I have many issues with him, but that doesn't mean that I do not appreciate what he did for this franchise during his time here.

I don't think a clearly unmotivated Scott Niedermayer will be enough to push this team over the top come April, even if we get him in a trade for nothing.

We need the player we saw in 2003 and it's only wishful thinking on our part that he will automatically return to that level once he gets here.

I have many issues with him, but that doesn't mean that I do not appreciate what he did for this franchise during his time here.

I don't think a clearly unmotivated Scott Niedermayer will be enough to push this team over the top come April, even if we get him in a trade for nothing.

We need the player we saw in 2003 and it's only wishful thinking on our part that he will automatically return to that level once he gets here.

And you know that how?

And you know that how?

Actually, I don't know that.

I'm looking past/present and basing my opinion on his decision to retire/not retire at the start of this season, his proven past indecisiveness (if you know all along that you want to try to win a Stanley Cup with your brother, then why they heck don't you give the franchise that made your career like 1 or 2 months notice and not wait until the last possible minute???), not to mention that according to what I am reading and hearing about him this season, he's clearly lost a step, is not having a great season and issues of his motivation (or lack thereof) are being raised.

Bash Niedermayer all you like, but without him we don't win that 3rd cup.

Ok, maybe. But you can say that about a lot of players on that team. Heck, you can say that about Jeff Friesen.

Ok, maybe. But you can say that about a lot of players on that team. Heck, you can say that about Jeff Friesen.

Of course they played all well and you can't win the cup without all 20, but Niedermayer IMO and I said it then and I will say it now should have gotten the Conn Smythe, he had 2g, 17a in that cup run and his defense was better than his numbers.

It's hard to replace that performance or even imagine if we would have even been to the finals without him.

Of course they played all well and you can't win the cup without all 20, but Niedermayer IMO and I said it then and I will say it now should have gotten the Conn Smythe, he had 2g, 17a in that cup run and his defense was better than his numbers.

Still think Marty deserved it, although admittedly Nieds was an immediate second.

Actually, I don't know that.

I'm looking past/present and basing my opinion on his decision to retire/not retire at the start of this season, his proven past indecisiveness (if you know all along that you want to try to win a Stanley Cup with your brother, then why they heck don't you give the franchise that made your career like 1 or 2 months notice and not wait until the last possible minute???), not to mention that according to what I am reading and hearing about him this season, he's clearly lost a step, is not having a great season and issues of his motivation (or lack thereof) are being raised.

You get him cheap and he is still better than 99% of the dmen out there today.

You get him cheap and he is still better than 99% of the dmen out there today.

I agree 100% as that's the Scott Neidermayer that we all remember. But from what I can see right now, he needs to kick it up a notch and remain at that level for the duration of the season and through the postseason should he get traded here.

But why would he want to be traded here, especially when he didn't want to be here and decided to leave on his own volition, and if he comes here against his will, what would possibly motivate him to go through the grind of trying to win another Stanley Cup?

What will be his motivation this time (like his desire to win a Cup with his brother) and has he made it public?

I leave this decision in Lou's hands. If he think Scott will make a difference, he will try to get him. But I suspect that Lou will get us a non-big name defenseman that will surprise us.

I agree 100% as that's the Scott Neidermayer that we all remember. But from what I can see right now, he needs to kick it up a notch and remain at that level for the duration of the season and through the postseason should he get traded here.

But why would he want to be traded here, especially when he didn't want to be here and decided to leave on his own volition, and if he comes here against his will, what would possibly motivate him to go through the grind of trying to win another Stanley Cup?

What will be his motivation this time (like his desire to win a Cup with his brother) and has he made it public?

Then why play this season? For a paycheck he doesn't need?

And he did have very fond memories of playing in NJ, you can't win three cups in one place and not have them. And I remember when he came back this year he made it a point of visiting the Devils front office and say hi to old friends, so I don't think he despises this organization everyone tries to make it out to be.

Then why play this season? For a paycheck he doesn't need?

And he did have very fond memories of playing in NJ, you can't win three cups in one place and not have them. And I remember when he came back this year he made it a point of visiting the Devils front office and say hi to old friends, so I don't think he despises this organization every makes it out to be.

Maybe.

Hopefully Lou can take an objective look at the situation, because I certainly can't. If Scott really does have the ability to help this team and is worth the asking price then I hope Lou pulls the trigger.

I just can't see myself rooting for this guy ever again.

Maybe.

Hopefully Lou can take an objective look at the situation, because I certainly can't. If Scott really does have the ability to help this team and is worth the asking price then I hope Lou pulls the trigger.

I just can't see myself rooting for this guy ever again.

I'm never going to really get on anybody for that reason, hockey emotion has no limits, but to deny us of a real legit chance of winning a 4th cup? I mean isn't that the bottom line?

And besides if he did come and helped us win that 4th cup, when he raises that cup over his head, I got a feeling you might come around then. ;)

Where was the respect for his fellow teammates, John McMullen, Lou Lamoriello and Devils fans when he (along with Arnott) left the defending Stanley Cup championship team hanging out to dry for 20 games at the start of the 2000-2001 season due to a contract holdout?

That and the situaton on which he left the Devils = Boo Nieds.

Where was the respect for his fellow teammates, John McMullen, Lou Lamoriello and Devils fans when he (along with Arnott) left the defending Stanley Cup championship team hanging out to dry for 20 games at the start of the 2000-2001 season due to a contract holdout?

Bah. Respect?

Remember that time Stevens assualted that 17 year old girl in a limo? Or when Brodeur cheated on his wife with her brothers ex? And Madden shooting a puck at Julien in practice? How about all those times Lou lowballed RFAs under the old CBA? Or when he didnt re sign 46 goal, fresh off of a cup Alexander Mogilny at a huge discount. And his negotiation tactics with Claude Lemeuix? Set us back years.

So screw Holik for leaving for 500k more to go to the Rangers. Screw Johnny Mac too. I mean the only reason we kept Elias from the Rags was because we guaranteed him the 7th year and gave him a NMC, right?

Yes Nieds was only elite on the Devils for 2-3 years, with long periods of looking unintrested. And yes, he messed us up bad with his hasty departure. But business is business. Athletes are athletes. And Lou forgives. Jerk or not, Nieds is a player the Devils could very much use.

I'm never going to really get on anybody for that reason, hockey emotion has no limits, but to deny us of a real legit chance of winning a 4th cup? I mean isn't that the bottom line?

I´m sorry, but did you actively watch Nieds this year? The thing is, he right now is most known among Ducks fans for his lack of emotion and his proneness for turnovers, think along the lines of a 2001-02 Nieds, although he is projected to surpass that prdoduction, he just now isn´t that good and surely isn´t the missing piece for our cup run.

I´m sorry, but did you actively watch Nieds this year? The thing is, he right now is most known among Ducks fans for his lack of emotion and his proneness for turnovers, think along the lines of a 2001-02 Nieds, although he is projected to surpas that prdoduction he just now isn´t that good and surely isn´t the missing piece for our cup run.

Yeah, and Neal Broten in 94-95 had played 17 games and had no goals and just four assists with the Stars before he came over, and change of scenery did him good, and it's been that way for many other players in all sports.

The bottom line is if you can get a sure HoF'er at defense just two year off his 4th cup, you grab him. It's a no-brainier.

And add him to our already underrated D but still a weak point? It's not a weak point anymore and makes us the clear favorite in the East.

Bah. Respect?

Remember that time Stevens assualted that 17 year old girl in a limo? Or when Brodeur cheated on his wife with her brothers ex? And Madden shooting a puck at Julien in practice? How about all those times Lou lowballed RFAs under the old CBA? Or when he didnt re sign 46 goal, fresh off of a cup Alexander Mogilny at a huge discount. And his negotiation tactics with Claude Lemeuix? Set us back years.

So screw Holik for leaving for 500k more to go to the Rangers. Screw Johnny Mac too. I mean the only reason we kept Elias from the Rags was because we guaranteed him the 7th year and gave him a NMC, right?

Yes Nieds was only elite on the Devils for 2-3 years, with long periods of looking unintrested. And yes, he messed us up bad with his hasty departure. But business is business. Athletes are athletes. And Lou forgives. Jerk or not, Nieds is a player the Devils could very much use.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, although I think in the Washington "Limo" story, Stevens was the lookout.

Yeah, and Neal Broten in 94-95 had played 17 games and had no goals and just four assists with the Stars before he came over, and change of scenery did him good, and it's been that way for many other players in all sports.

Neil Broten did not play one game for our organiation before he came over - we did not know what exactly to expect of him.

The bottom line is if you can get a sure HoF'er at defense just two year off his 4th cup, you grab him. It's a no-brainier.


Expenses vs. Gain. You can´t ignore them, period.

Bah. Respect?

Remember that time Stevens assualted that 17 year old girl in a limo? Or when Brodeur cheated on his wife with her brothers ex? And Madden shooting a puck at Julien in practice? How about all those times Lou lowballed RFAs under the old CBA? Or when he didnt re sign 46 goal, fresh off of a cup Alexander Mogilny at a huge discount. And his negotiation tactics with Claude Lemeuix? Set us back years.

So screw Holik for leaving for 500k more to go to the Rangers. Screw Johnny Mac too. I mean the only reason we kept Elias from the Rags was because we guaranteed him the 7th year and gave him a NMC, right?

Yes Nieds was only elite on the Devils for 2-3 years, with long periods of looking unintrested. And yes, he messed us up bad with his hasty departure. But business is business. Athletes are athletes. And Lou forgives. Jerk or not, Nieds is a player the Devils could very much use.

Wait and how could I forget the time that traitorous scum Scott Stevens signed an offer sheet from the Blues in 1994, mere months after taking the Devils within 1 game of the Cup Finals. WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT THE DEVILS FORMAL OFFER.

Such. Respect.

"We've signed with the St. Louis Blues, and it's a lot more than the New Jersey Devils offered," Stevens said.

"I don't know details about the offer from Lou," said Stevens, who was here vacationing with his family after signing his contract in St. Louis.

"All I know is that we have signed with the Blues."

How could the Devils ever win a game with a man like him wearing the C?

Neil Broten did not play one game for our organiation before he came over - we did not know what exactly to expect of him.



Expenses vs. Gain. You can´t ignore them, period.

Alright, neither of these two make any sense to me, what we did not know what exactly to expect out of Broten has to do with Niedermayer how?

And expenses vs. gain? The gain is the cup, after that who gives a hoot what the expenses are?

Are you really asking that question? Who wouldnt take niedermayer back...

Alright, neither of these two make any sense to me

Yay, mission accomplished ;)

what we did not know what exactly to expect out of Broten has to do with Niedermayer how?


Yeah - why exactly did you bring that one up?

And expenses vs. gain? The gain is the cup, after that who gives a hoot what the expenses are?

Well, I still don´t believe in Niedermayer = cup, as I´ve said before. If Nieds would be equal to a cup I wouldn´t care about any expense either.

Yeah - why exactly did you bring that one up?

Well, I still don´t believe in Niedermayer = cup, as I´ve said before. If Nieds would be equal to a cup I wouldn´t care about any expense either.

Because you suggested that Niedermayer hasn't been himself with the Ducks this year it would be the same way if he came over, I brought up Broten to show that's not always the case.

And getting him won't guarantee us the cup, but it would be as good as it gets chance wise and that's what every team strives for towards the playoffs.

If rumours broke out that we were near a deal to bring back Niedermayer, I'd betcha your last dollar the GM's in Philly, Montreal and Boston would be on their damn knees praying that doesn't happen.

Because you suggested that Niedermayer hasn't been himself with the Ducks this year it would be the same way if he came over, I brought up Broten to show that's not always the case.

What exactly makes you believe that we would end up getting the 2003 regular season Niedermayer and not the 2003 Ottawa Sens matchup one? Thats all I´m trying to say - Nieds is streaky, and sometimes he tends to lack heart. All I saw of him this year suggested that he is not willing to play his best this year.

And getting him won't guarantee us the cup, but it would be as good as it gets chance wise and that's what every team strives for towards the playoffs.

As much of a Scotty fan I am, watching this years (and in some stretches last years) Ducks I am not sold on Nieds desire and drive to win a cup. My conclusion simply is: there are a quite some Defenseman I rather have than Nieds (Yeah, I know, this discussion is about Scotties contribution to our team in the playoffs, but still I´m not sure if Nieds would even be in the top ten)

If rumours broke out that we were near a deal to bring back Niedermayer, I'd betcha your last dollar the GM's in Philly, Montreal and Boston would be on their damn knees praying that doesn't happen.

I´m convinced that the GMs in Montreal and Philly at least are terrified enough thinking about having to face our team in the Playoffs. Of course I´m seeing what you´re getting to, but still I have to say I believe we would have a better chance in the Playoffs without giving up whatever the Ducks would demand for Scotty ( If we could get our hands on Kaberle though without having to give up Zajac......http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9208/borat5lb9.jpg)

Nieds has accomplished every team award you can in hockey, three Cups with the Devils then leading an upstart team (and little bro) to a Cup in Anaheim when he was the C, an Olympic gold...why the heck would he be motivated now?

Between his half-retirement last year, subpar play this year and general demeanor, that's a lot of evidence suggesting he's playing for a paycheck now. If the guy can't crank it up for his team, why should anyone believe he'll do so as a hired gun, for a team he left?

Broten otoh actually hadn't won a Cup yet before getting to Jersey so that's not really the best comparison.

What exactly makes you believe that we would end up getting the 2003 regular season Niedermayer and not the 2003 Ottawa Sens matchup one? Thats all I´m trying to say - Nieds is streaky, and sometimes he tends to lack heart. All I saw of him this year suggested that he is not willing to play his best this year.

His offensive play might have been streaky at one time but his defensive play was always solid, stellar and consistent.


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As much of a Scotty fan I am, watching this years (and in some stretches last years) Ducks I am not sold on Nieds desire and drive to win a cup. My conclusion simply is: there are a quite some Defenseman I rather have than Nieds (Yeah, I know, this discussion is about Scotties contribution to our team in the playoffs, but still I´m not sure if Nieds would even be in the top ten)

Like who that is also possibly on the market? Not to mention that also has the same credentials of Niedermayer.



I´m convinced that the GMs in Montreal and Philly are terrified enough thinking about having to face our team in the Playoffs. Of course I´m seeing what you´re getting to, but still I have to say I believe we would have a better chance in the Playoffs without giving up whatever the Ducks would demand for Scotty ( If we could get our hands on Kaberle though......)


I'd rather have Niedermayer over Kaberle in a heartbeat, Kaberle is a nice player but what has he ever accomplished?

Like who that is also possibly on the market? Not to mention that also has the same credentials of Niedermayer.

I haven't gone through this whole thread but is there any real proof Nieds is even on the market? The original post admits Pronger's been the one rumored to be traded and just speculates why not Nieds?

Nieds has accomplished every team award you can in hockey, three Cups with the Devils then leading an upstart team (and little bro) to a Cup in Anaheim when he was the C, an Olympic gold...why the heck would he be motivated now?

Between his half-retirement last year, subpar play this year and general demeanor, that's a lot of evidence suggesting he's playing for a paycheck now. If the guy can't crank it up for his team, why should anyone believe he'll do so as a hired gun, for a team he left?

Broten otoh actually hadn't won a Cup yet before getting to Jersey so that's not really the best comparison.


As did Claude Lemieux but that didn't stop him from helping the Avs to a cup in '96 our for us in 2000.

I haven't gone through this whole thread but is there any real proof Nieds is even on the market? The original post admits Pronger's been the one rumored to be traded and just speculates why not Nieds?

Kinda of irrelvant at this point if you ask me.

His offensive play might have been streaky at one time but his defensive play was always solid, stellar and consistent.

I´m sorry I have to counter with the 2003s Sens and this years turnover machine that he became.


Like who that is also possibly on the market? Not to mention that also has the same credentials of Niedermayer.

Kaberle is on the market. J-Bouw is on it and so is Kubina - 3 that sprang to my head, who all are gonna be active for a longer time than Scotty, while being a serious upgrade for our D.

I'd rather have Niedermayer over Kaberle in a heartbeat, Kaberle is a nice player but what has he ever accomplished?

Nothing, aside from having nearly the same career high in points as Nieds does, while being 5 years younger and playing on a worse team (and he is on contract for less than Nieds, whos gonna become a UFA after that season.)

Once again - I´m not against acquiring Nieds - I´m just of the opinion that he´d cost too much for one run this season.
We should pick up some promising Defenseman who could be signed on a longer term contract.

As did Claude Lemieux but that didn't stop him from helping the Avs to a cup in '96 our for us in 2000.

Claude's had an obsessive drive from his first day in the league to now, as a 43-year old putt-puttering around on minor league buses working his way onto the Sharks as a fourth-liner.

Bah. Respect?

Remember that time Stevens assualted that 17 year old girl in a limo? Or when Brodeur cheated on his wife with her brothers ex? And Madden shooting a puck at Julien in practice? How about all those times Lou lowballed RFAs under the old CBA? Or when he didnt re sign 46 goal, fresh off of a cup Alexander Mogilny at a huge discount. And his negotiation tactics with Claude Lemeuix? Set us back years.

So screw Holik for leaving for 500k more to go to the Rangers. Screw Johnny Mac too. I mean the only reason we kept Elias from the Rags was because we guaranteed him the 7th year and gave him a NMC, right?

Yes Nieds was only elite on the Devils for 2-3 years, with long periods of looking unintrested. And yes, he messed us up bad with his hasty departure. But business is business. Athletes are athletes. And Lou forgives. Jerk or not, Nieds is a player the Devils could very much use.

The Stevens & Brodeur (who you have just slandered) example were personal, off ice issues as a result of bad behavior or bad decisions.

What a stupid example.

John Madden shooting a puck at Claude Julien is immaturity on the part of Madden. If it even ever happened to begin with, as the story seems to fluctuate between Scott Gomez, John Madden & Jamie Langenbrunner as being the supposed culprits.

Lou never low-balled anyone. Stop the NYR fan/Devil hater/New York Post Everson & Brooks propaganda. He may have given out bad contracts to suspect players, but he has never given out outrageously outlandish contracts that break the bank.

Perhaps you are better suited to be an NYR fan and idolize Glen Sather? He likes to give out criminally insane contracts.

Everyone knows that Claude Lemieux was one of the most selfish players in the league. He has no loyalty to any of the teams he has played for. Sadly, that's part of his legacy. Many Devils fans are still upset that he left and put part of the blame of missing the playoffs in 1996 as a result of his departure. Yes he came back in 2000, but for many of us, his leaving in 1996 puts a stain on his legacy here.

Toronto offered Mogilny a 4-year, $22 million dollar contract. At the time, it would have made him the highest paid player on the team. With what financial resources would they have used to pay him? We were only in the Top 10 of team payrolls for 1 season. And since when were the Devils in the pre-cap world, a free spending, high payroll team that retained all their players & free agents?

Many of us were and still are upset that Johnny Mac went to the NYR (along with Bruce Driver too). And still more don't want him behind the bench and think he stinks as a coach. And many people were lukewarm with the idea of of bringing Holik back here in the first place. And I'm glad Holik went to the NYR because that would have been Lou's worst contract, ever.

And Elias didn't end up signing with the NYR anyway. Whether he really wanted to go to the NYR in the first place or have his agent use it as a bargaining chip to get what he wanted, we will never know. But he didn't leave so it's a moot point now.

Wait and how could I forget the time that traitorous scum Scott Stevens signed an offer sheet from the Blues in 1994, mere months after taking the Devils within 1 game of the Cup Finals. WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT THE DEVILS FORMAL OFFER.

Such. Respect.

How could the Devils ever win a game with a man like him wearing the C?

Could you please stop it already?

Scott Stevens never wanted to be a New Jersey Devil. Everyone know this. He left Washington and signed a free agent contract with St. Louis and wanted to settle down there with his family. If a judge (not a trade, not a free agent signing) forces you against your will to play for a team that you have no desire to play for in the first place, you'd be dead set against it too.

That was a very unprecedented move in professional sports and I don't blame him for being angry. You would be too.

And just because you get to a game 7 of the 1994 ECF doesn't mean that you are still not angry that a judge uprooted your life 3 years earlier and turned it upside down and you think you can correct this perceived error by trying to bail out of this situation if you can.

He became resigned to his fate, had a change of heart and became the best leader this team ever had. This was a unique situation and I forgive him. Apparently you don't and you're more than entitled to your opinion


Now a question for you. Are you even a Devils fan? Because you seem to hate almost everyone.

Wah wah wah ... I'm totally missing the point

I'm not going to break down your post. I swear. Just a few points

1) Lou was a low ball machine before Vanderbeek took over. Give me a break dude. We lost our 3 first franchise players because he wouldn’t open up the wallet.

2) Slander is spoken. Libel is written. Not to mention that I could source both from the NY Times in 1 second if you wished.

3) No loyalty blah blah blah. Claude Lemeuix won the conn smyth in 1995. And played a fairly key role in 2000. I don't care if the guy gave Larry Robinson a nervous breakdown. Personality faults aside, he was a huge part of the devils first two championship wins.

4) I also don't care what you think of Johnny Mac's defection. Apparently neither does Lou.

5) And the key point, which I'm pretty sure you missed the first time around. Lack of respect, loyalty, cheating on your spouse, signing multiple offer sheets, et all, are character flaws which I can look past as long as the team wins. It's the way it has always been.

Now a question for you. Are you even a Devils fan? Because you seem to hate almost everyone.

Far from it. I just understand that all professional athletes are -- wait for it -- humans. Hence, they make mistakes. Are imperfect. Not liking a player for reasons like their lack of 'respect' or 'class' totally nullifies their talent. It's cherry picking based on a personal vendetta.

Teams (and players) don’t need to be classy or respectful to win. I mean heck, is it respectful to sit Pando a year after giving him a huge contract based off of a near 'selke' performance? Especially in favor of perennial fourth liner Mike Rupp? Probably not, but damned if it doesn’t make the Devils a better team.

Nieds messed us up big time. If he wanted to play with his brother -- fine. He just should have let us know before the 11th hour. And his commitment to the game is questionable, at this point especially. I understand all of that.

But to assume he wouldn’t be an upgrade over Andy Greene is, frankly put, retarded. And to assume that the give or take 6 current players who were on the team when Nieds ditched them would be anything but happy when he came back is also crazy.

I would really want Niedermayer back, but only if:

- He expresses his wish to finish his career where he started it. If he is not contrary to the idea of coming to the Devils. That will only happen, if the Ducks fail to make the playoffs. If he went on to say that he d like to come back for one last run, fine. Then I believe he has enough drive left in him. And he would put us over the top. If we fail to win the Cup with a team like this + Scott Niedermayer (if we don t have to give up the whole farm or a few important parts of our team), we will never win a cup anytime soon.

- Like said before, we do not give up too much. I mean, if Scott approached Ducks managment and said, listen guys, I will retire for sure, but as a last favor, trade me back to the Devils, they probably would honor his wish, if the Devils give them some interesting things in return. But, not 2 3 prospects and a high pick.

hmm there could be 2 possible reasons why Nieds is playing like crap right now:

1. He probably just wants to play his last season with his brother and then just retire.
2. He wants to come to the Devils so playing like crap will lower his trade value.

The 1st seems more likely and if so, no point of acquiring him. If it's the 2nd, which is highly unlikely, then there's no reason not to acquire him lol.

I'm not going to break down your post. I swear. Just a few points

1) Lou was a low ball machine before Vanderbeek took over. Give me a break dude. We lost our 3 first franchise players because he wouldn’t open up the wallet.

2) Slander is spoken. Libel is written. Not to mention that I could source both from the NY Times in 1 second if you wished.

3) No loyalty blah blah blah. Claude Lemeuix won the conn smyth in 1995. And played a fairly key role in 2000. I don't care if the guy gave Larry Robinson a nervous breakdown. Personality faults aside, he was a huge part of the devils first two championship wins.

4) I also don't care what you think of Johnny Mac's defection. Apparently neither does Lou.

5) And the key point, which I'm pretty sure you missed the first time around. Lack of respect, loyalty, cheating on your spouse, signing multiple offer sheets, et all, are character flaws which I can look past as long as the team wins. It's the way it has always been.



Far from it. I just understand that all professional athletes are -- wait for it -- humans. Hence, they make mistakes. Are imperfect. Not liking a player for reasons like their lack of 'respect' or 'class' totally nullifies their talent. It's cherry picking based on a personal vendetta.

Teams (and players) don’t need to be classy or respectful to win. I mean heck, is it respectful to sit Pando a year after giving him a huge contract based off of a near 'selke' performance? Especially in favor of perennial fourth liner Mike Rupp? Probably not, but damned if it doesn’t make the Devils a better team.

Nieds messed us up big time. If he wanted to play with his brother -- fine. He just should have let us know before the 11th hour. And his commitment to the game is questionable, at this point especially. I understand all of that.

But to assume he wouldn’t be an upgrade over Andy Greene is, frankly put, retarded. And to assume that the give or take 6 current players who were on the team when Nieds ditched them would be anything but happy when he came back is also crazy.

1) Wouldn't open up the wallet? What wallet? Why do you keep acting like we were this high payroll team that had money to throw around? We were very limited in our resources and revenue stream as the team was locked into a bad arena deal and had to depend on ticket sales for revenue. The team almost moved several times due to that bad revenue stream. By not offering insanely expensive contracts to keep a specific player, Lou was able to afford to keep the key core & nucleus of the team together for greater than a decade due to this fiscal responsibility. (in which you call lowballing) Don't you know that this was the only way to keep the team together???


2) The supposed Stevens, Cicarelli, Sheehy (and whoever the heck else was there) **** case was nothing more than an accusation that ended up with all the charges being dropped. I'm not sure why you even brought that up in the first place. You posted it try and indirectly prove that he did indeed commit the act in order to pursue your idea that he is somehow not "loyal" because of this. Therefore semantics aside, I'd call that slander and/or libel.

3) I am very aware of Claude Lemeiux's contributions to this team. But that doesn't take away that he was a selfish player. I blame Claude for leaving a good situation, not Lou.

And as far as Martin Brodeur is concerned, you're more puritanical in your views of players in their personal, off ice actions. That's none of my business. I don't feel that his problems with Melanie affected his one ice performance or was a determent to the team. But for you, he was not loyal to the team because of what happened. You're more than welcome to that opinion.

4) Conversely, I don't care what you think of my opinion of Johnny Mac.

5) As far as the key point is concerned, I feel that Scott Niedermayer's contract holdout to start the 2000 season was more of a detriment to the team than what a player did and/or was accused of doing in his personal life.

I can say that if he did not hold out for the first 20 games of that season, we could have perhaps very well finished higher in the standings and avoided that grueling, physical series against the Leafs (that had no business going 7 games) that wiped out this team and resulted in Scott getting that elbow from Domi. Perhaps a healthy, non-concussed Niedermayer playing at 100% could have tipped the balance and helped us actually wrap up that Cup Finals vs. Colorado and perhaps a potential shorter trip though the playoffs would have made for a more rested Martin Brodeur who doesn't allow that Adam Foote goal in Game 6 of the Finals and the Devils go on to win back to back Cups.

Hypothetical of course, but there is no doubt that his contract holdout hurt the team that year.

I can clearly see you that deep down inside that you don't likely like Lou Lamoriello and have issues with many of our past & present players, but can we just stick to the subject of Scott Niedermayer?

Because you suggested that Niedermayer hasn't been himself with the Ducks this year it would be the same way if he came over, I brought up Broten to show that's not always the case.

And getting him won't guarantee us the cup, but it would be as good as it gets chance wise and that's what every team strives for towards the playoffs.

If rumours broke out that we were near a deal to bring back Niedermayer, I'd betcha your last dollar the GM's in Philly, Montreal and Boston would be on their damn knees praying that doesn't happen.


Niedermayer gives ANY team a better shot at the Cup imo. I cant believe some fans could just write this guy off. You'd be lucky to get him, it would be a great story for the franchise as well.

blah blah blah

I can clearly see you that deep down inside that you don't likely like Lou Lamoriello and have issues with many of our past & present players, but can we just stick to the subject of Scott Niedermayer?

And I can clearly see that deep down inside you don't get the point. Once again. Hockey is a business. Athletes are (flawed) people. Skill, not abstract values such as respect or loyalty, wins championships. Lou understands this which is why he is always willing to bring back the Lemeuixs, MacLeans and Holiks of the world. You can't take things personally.

p.s. We finished #1 in the East in 2001. The Leafs series wouldnt have been avoidable unless we dropped in the standings. Maybe Nieds should have held out for longer.

And I can clearly see that deep down inside you don't get the point. Once again. Hockey is a business. Athletes are (flawed) people. Skill, not abstract values such as respect or loyalty, wins championships. Lou understands this which is why he is always willing to bring back the Lemeuixs, MacLeans and Holiks of the world. You can't take things personally.

p.s. We finished #1 in the East in 2001. The Leafs series wouldnt have been avoidable unless we dropped in the standings. Maybe Nieds should have held out for longer.

I get the point. I just don't agree with it.

Hockey is a business yes, you won't get me to disagree with that, but what that has to do with Martin Brodeur's extramarital affair, I have no idea.

Some players are more loyal than others and we have different criteria to describe what constitutes loyalty.

And the Leafs finished that season with 90 points, 2 points ahead of Boston (who missed the postseason) with 88. The Leafs beat the Devils 5-3 early in the season. Niedermayer playing could have perhaps helped us beat the Leafs in that game. That would have given the Leafs 88 points (instead of 90) to finish the season and tie them with Boston for 8th place. With the same amount of wins and points each, Boston would have won the tiebreaker as they had won the season series 3-2 and the Leafs wouldn't have even been in the playoffs to begin with.

If the brother issue was that significant all he had to do was tell Lou that and I'm sure we would have seen him on the 4th line and in return Scott could have signed for far less than was offered. He chose to leave the team hanging when it needed him the most.

Loyalty to his brother is the only reason Lou still speaks out on the issue - he can respect that in and of itself, but probably not the way Scott handled it.

Lou tried to trade for Rob, but Burke new he had a ace in the hole.

Lou tried to trade for Rob, but Burke new he had a ace in the hole.

My favorite story is from 03. Lou had always known that Scott had that allure of playing with Rob. So he called Button and he said "Sorry Lou, I just traded him to Bryan in Anaheim 5 minutes ago, if you had called me earlier he was yours" ****ing big nosed *******.

I talked to Burke and asked him if he has any chance of signing Scott if Rob isn't there and he said not a chance in hell, he was always a Devil, and he told Burke that if he didn't have Rob, then he'd have signed with Lou, because that's where he loved it, but had to play with his brother.

I´m sorry, but did you actively watch Nieds this year? The thing is, he right now is most known among Ducks fans for his lack of emotion and his proneness for turnovers, think along the lines of a 2001-02 Nieds, although he is projected to surpass that prdoduction, he just now isn´t that good and surely isn´t the missing piece for our cup run.

Well, who the heck is? Scott Stevens retired, Boston isn't trading Chara, Detroit isn't trading Nick Lindstrom, Pronger will cost to much, so yea Nieds, would be my choice. And I can see him getting motivated for one last shot, than Lou can hang his jersey in the rafters of Newark.

My favorite story is from 03. Lou had always known that Scott had that allure of playing with Rob. So he called Button and he said "Sorry Lou, I just traded him to Bryan in Anaheim 5 minutes ago, if you had called me earlier he was yours" ****ing big nosed *******.

I talked to Burke and asked him if he has any chance of signing Scott if Rob isn't there and he said not a chance in hell, he was always a Devil, and he told Burke that if he didn't have Rob, then he'd have signed with Lou, because that's where he loved it, but had to play with his brother.

Damn, I didnt realize we were that close.

My favorite story is from 03. Lou had always known that Scott had that allure of playing with Rob. So he called Button and he said "Sorry Lou, I just traded him to Bryan in Anaheim 5 minutes ago, if you had called me earlier he was yours" ****ing big nosed *******.

I talked to Burke and asked him if he has any chance of signing Scott if Rob isn't there and he said not a chance in hell, he was always a Devil, and he told Burke that if he didn't have Rob, then he'd have signed with Lou, because that's where he loved it, but had to play with his brother.

Right. So if Lou would make a trade for him at the deadline, it would have to include his brother, otherwise Scott would probably just pout and dog it on the ice here without Rob.

We would have to give up a lot, perhaps a 1st round pick and more to get those 2 and I'm sure Lou knows it.

Now, if we can trade Pandolfo and Madden for those 2, that's another story.

And as far as next season is concerned, the Niedermayer brothers (and that witch in Cranbrook who pulls the strings) are both UFA's this summer and whoever signs Scott, would probably have to sign Rob as well and it could be $8-$10 million per season to gain the services of those 2.

Damn, I didnt realize we were that close.

No, and it shows to me that it was it Jersey or whoever had his brother and I believe him on why it was the toughest decision he ever made. Best thing Burke told me was that Scott said "Don't make me regret this"

Right. So if Lou would make a trade for him at the deadline, it would have to include his brother, otherwise Scott would probably just pout and dog it on the ice here without Rob.

We would have to give up a lot, perhaps a 1st round pick and more to get those 2 and I'm sure Lou knows it.

Now, if we can trade Pandolfo and Madden for those 2, that's another story.

And as far as next season is concerned, the Niedermayer brothers (and that witch in Cranbrook who pulls the strings) are both UFA's this summer and whoever signs Scott, would probably have to sign Rob as well and it could be $8-$10 million per season to gain the services of those 2.

You know I'm glad you focused your hatred away from Patrik Elias to Scott Niedermayer...........hopefully they'll both prove you wrong.

You know I'm glad you focused your hatred away from Patrik Elias to Scott Niedermayer...........hopefully they'll both prove you wrong.

Oh god, not the fanboy "hate" mantra again. :shakehead

Here's my response, cut & pasted.

Hate? Could you please stop it already?

"Patrik (Elias) put it best when he said your best players are the guys that are going to be scrutinized when the team is struggling offensively and struggling to get wins. And we talked about it, we're going to be honest here, but we needed more out of him, well now he is the Patrik Elias of old, he's the leader of this club right now." Ken Daneyko: Devils/Senators post game 12/19/08.

If Ken Daneyko says we needed more from Patrik Elias than it certainly was true and I have echoed his opinion. And I certainly value his opinion over yours and everyone else here.

Thank God for DVR's.

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Oh god, not the fanboy "hate" mantra again. :shakehead

Here's my response, cut & pasted.



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blah blah blah. Daneyko was wrong too then.

I'd love Nieds to return. Hoping Anaheim keeps losing so it becomes a reality.

The only reason i'd want Niedermayer back is because he's the best puck moving d-men that is turning UFA this summer and he'd cost alot less then J-Bow, Kaberle or Pronger. Does he have the same desire to lift Lord Stanley since he won it 4 times (i think) already and is looking kinda bored of hockey ?!?!?

I'd rather Lou keep our 1st round pick and go for one of his patented "low profile" trades. Like i've been saying for the past two weeks, i really think that someone like Jordan Leopold would fill the void and would garner a small return. I could see...

Martin - Oduya
Leopold - Salvador
Greene - White
Mottau

I have been thinking about it alot lately, and I think Leopold is perfect. I would go with:

Martin-Leopold (not sure which side of the ice Leopold likes)
Oduya-Salvador
White-Mottau/Greene/Salmela

And if it works out, we can resign him. If it doesnt, we can let him go. I think it would be good.

Not to get off the Niedermayer subject, but does anyone else believe Lou should sign Oduya before he becomes a free agent and gets insane money? We all know Lou's track record when it comes to Devils reaching free agency, See Ya.

Not to get off the Niedermayer subject, but does anyone else believe Lou should sign Oduya before he becomes a free agent and gets insane money? We all know Lou's track record when it comes to Devils reaching free agency, See Ya.

Maybe Oduya's agent is playing "hardball" with Lou and knows that his client will problably earn more $$$ later, rather then now if the team goes far into the SCP :dunno:.

my ref last night looked just like Nieds, no joke.

I think if we got Nieds back he would play balls out to win one more and then retire. And as Devs all the way says because he is a UFA at the end and may retire he would be alot cheaper I would think. It would also make the Devils the story of the playoffs with all the ex Devils coming back and Marty to go for the Cup.

Does he have the same desire to lift Lord Stanley since he won it 4 times (i think) already and is looking kinda bored of hockey ?!?!?

Henri Richard scoffs at Niedermayer's 4 measly Cups.

Henri Richard scoffs at Niedermayer's 4 measly Cups.

Nieds would have more cups too if the league still consisted of only 6 teams:sarcasm:

Nieds would have more cups too if the league still consisted of only 6 teams:sarcasm:

Beyond your disrespect of a great hockey player, the point is why should Niedermayer be satisfied or unmotivated now that he's got 4 Cup rings? If he is, then he should retire.

Beyond your disrespect of a great hockey player, the point is why should Niedermayer be satisfied or unmotivated now that he's got 4 Cup rings? If he is, then he should retire.

:sarcasm: means sarcasm. It was a joke.:shakehead

Oh and what disrespect? He played on the most stacked team in a league of 6. He was a great player but he still had a greater chance of gettign a cup when there was only 6 teams.
:facepalm::banghead:

:sarcasm: means sarcasm. It was a joke.:shakehead

Oh and what disrespect? He layed on the most stacked team in a league of 6. He was a great player but he still had a greater chance of gettign a cup when there was only 6 teams.
:facepalm::banghead:

ah, I don't speak smiley.

ah, I don't speak smiley.

smiley is the new english:nod:

I'd rather Lou keep our 1st round pick and go for one of his patented "low profile" trades.

This is exactly what will happen. Even if he indeed becomes available, Lou will not give up that 1st that Anaheim will want for the services of the 2009 version of Scott Niedermayer.

i say huet for a second round pick

i say huet for a second round pick

lol wut?

I just sharted again...

i say huet for a second round pick

Why?

i say huet for a second round pick

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Dammit, third.

Are people seriously saying they would rather have our #6 D-man instead of Niedermayer?

I don't believe that.

I'm not totally convinced Stevens *was* the #1 in 2003.




BLASPHEMY!

I have been thinking about it alot lately, and I think Leopold is perfect.

I definitely agree, although I think he would fit well on a line with Martin since they played together in college. Not saying I wouldn't take Nieds, but I think it will cost too much and Leopold is 7 years younger.