Bodie, Mikkelson, Miller Sent Down

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=405839

I'm glad Ebbett gets to stay, hopefully this means Selanne, Huskins and Marchant will be back first game after ASG. Although with the way Huskins has played this year maybe that's a bad thing.

Just sent down to get some time, Carlyle said Selanne, Marchant and Huskins probably won't be back until 3 or more games after the All-Star game.

It will allow us to save more precious cap room as well I believe. Smart move in that sense with them not having to clear waivers

Miller can now play in the AHL All Star Game ...
against Jason Krog ....

ohhh thank you god * sheds tear*

Just sent down to get some time, Carlyle said Selanne, Marchant and Huskins probably won't be back until 3 or more games after the All-Star game.

Why do you think so ? I am pretty sure Selanne is back after the all-star break.

I hope Mikkleson stays there for some time. His season thus far has given his dad's in 74-75 a run for its money.

Mikklelson definitely needs some more time on the Chops before returning. I hope Miller and Bodie return after the break, although Bodie has made Parros a scratch some nights.

I think Ebbett has earned a permanent spot in our lineup. He's got great speed and is a good passer. Now if only we could send Morrison down...

Why do you think so ? I am pretty sure Selanne is back after the all-star break.

Because Carlyle has stated he highly doubts any of them will be back right after the All-Star break.

I hope Mikkleson stays there for some time. His season thus far has given his dad's in 74-75 a run for its money.
You gotta admit that -82 is pretty impressive, in a weird, macabre sort of way.

Breaking that record may just be worth the 31st overall pick...

Mikkelson did show some promise though...may not be ready down...but he's gonna be a good one.

Miller can now play in the AHL All Star Game ...
against Jason Krog ....

http://theahl.com/news/league/index.html?article_id=9357

Scratch that.

I would imagine that Mikkelson is also on the way back due to Huskins setback.

I don't think its a bad thing bringing Mikkelson back up, but something that's getting to me is McIver, he's this year's Joey D! sits for ages but hes more than capable, hell, some nights I'd like to see him in there over Huss

We should make more use of him, hes solid with Prongs!!

Both called up. I figured that Mikelsson would be back, but i'd rather have Bodie here then Miller.

Link: http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=406367

Both called up. I figured that Mikelsson would be back, but i'd rather have Bodie here then Miller.

Link: http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=406367

I'd rather have Teemu

What's up with Salcido? Are they ever going to play him?

Can he really be worse than Mikkelson?

They obviously recalled Miller because his face was a good penalty magnet.

I think Salcido is subject to waivers considering how old he was when he signed his first contract (21) and how many games he's played in the pros (200+ AHL games). Being that he's an all-star I'd say he wouldn't clear so he may be stuck there until training camp.

I'd rather have Temmu
Teemu practiced with the team today. :)
Hopefully, he will fully recover soon.

I think Salcido is subject to waivers considering how old he was when he signed his first contract (21) and how many games he's played in the pros (200+ AHL games). Being that he's an all-star I'd say he wouldn't clear so he may be stuck there until training camp.
I think you're getting things crossed. Waivers is determined by years after signing your first contract (this is Salcido's last season to be exempt) or NHL games played (reg season and playoffs). Salcido has 0.

UFA/arbitration/RFA is determined by professional experience (AHL included)... but that's years played and not games.

I'm pretty sure that Salcido is waiver exempt.

Why aren't we calling him Salsa?

Both called up. I figured that Mikelsson would be back, but i'd rather have Bodie here then Miller.

Link: http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=406367

Miller played very well in his last few games, Bodie....not so much. For a big guy, I never even saw Bodie hit anybody.

According to Yahoo sports Selanne will be back for Wed's game, if not Sat's game at the latest, but he has been cleared too play.

Why aren't we calling him Salsa?

That's his nickname.

I'd rather have Teemu

Agreed. I disagree about Miller. Personally I don't think he brings much to the team. The only reason I don't hate the idea of him being on the big club right now is Marchant's absence. He's a good penalty killer, but I don't see much of a spot for him on this team other then that. He's not someone you really want on your 4th line IMO. He's not physical enough to play on the 3rd line. Call me old fashioned, but if your only job is on the 3rd line, you need to at least be able to throw your weight around.

Bodie doesn't bring much, but he brings what May's absence does. Someone to fill in for Parros when he starts slacking. Bottom line for me is that it's ok for Miller to be up right now for PK duties since Marchant is gone. However, when he's back, I don't think Miller is good enough offensively or physical to bring much at even strength. Put that guy in the weight room.

Agreed. I disagree about Miller. Personally I don't think he brings much to the team. The only reason I don't hate the idea of him being on the big club right now is Marchant's absence. He's a good penalty killer, but I don't see much of a spot for him on this team other then that. He's not someone you really want on your 4th line IMO. He's not physical enough to play on the 3rd line. Call me old fashioned, but if your only job is on the 3rd line, you need to at least be able to throw your weight around.

Bodie doesn't bring much, but he brings what May's absence does. Someone to fill in for Parros when he starts slacking. Bottom line for me is that it's ok for Miller to be up right now for PK duties since Marchant is gone. However, when he's back, I don't think Miller is good enough offensively or physical to bring much at even strength. Put that guy in the weight room.

I am surprised that Millers getting more ice time than Carter. I wonder why Carlye doesnt like Carter... he seems to have good combination of speed and size.

As for Bodie... I hope the ducks find a good compliment to Parros - a Clarkson/Neil type of middleweight. I think Parros is too nice and has not been an intimidating presence (not like his first few years when he entered the league wanting to make a reputation). We need an agitator to get on the other teams star players so that less attention is given on Getzlaf and Perry (both of whom take way too may penalties). We need those guys to stay on the ice.

Agreed. I disagree about Miller. Personally I don't think he brings much to the team. The only reason I don't hate the idea of him being on the big club right now is Marchant's absence. He's a good penalty killer, but I don't see much of a spot for him on this team other then that. He's not someone you really want on your 4th line IMO. He's not physical enough to play on the 3rd line. Call me old fashioned, but if your only job is on the 3rd line, you need to at least be able to throw your weight around.

Bodie doesn't bring much, but he brings what May's absence does. Someone to fill in for Parros when he starts slacking. Bottom line for me is that it's ok for Miller to be up right now for PK duties since Marchant is gone. However, when he's back, I don't think Miller is good enough offensively or physical to bring much at even strength. Put that guy in the weight room.
The one thing you're forgetting in your Miller assessment is his face. It's invaluable for drawing boarding/crosschecking penalties.

I am surprised that Millers getting more ice time than Carter. I wonder why Carlye doesnt like Carter... he seems to have good combination of speed and size.

As for Bodie... I hope the ducks find a good compliment to Parros - a Clarkson/Neil type of middleweight. I think Parros is too nice and has not been an intimidating presence (not like his first few years when he entered the league wanting to make a reputation). We need an agitator to get on the other teams star players so that less attention is given on Getzlaf and Perry (both of whom take way too may penalties). We need those guys to stay on the ice.

Drew is a great PKer, Carter isn't. That's why there is a discrepancy in their ice-time. Honestly the only thing wrong with Miller is the fact that he's so thin. Big deal, he stick makes good plays with the puck. So he can't knock a guy over like Moen can but he stick removes the guy from the puck. I have no problem with having Drew on the team.

Drew is a great PKer, Carter isn't. That's why there is a discrepancy in their ice-time. Honestly the only thing wrong with Miller is the fact that he's so thin. Big deal, he stick makes good plays with the puck. So he can't knock a guy over like Moen can but he stick removes the guy from the puck. I have no problem with having Drew on the team.
Miller does still get a more ES ice time than Carter. Over a minute ES TOI per game. So the difference is not just PK (which Miller is better at because he has good defensive positioning and stickwork).

I was intrigued by the mention of stickwork. Which I do find true, Miller seems better at pokechecking/getting his stick in passing lanes and the like.

Now this comes with the disclaimer that I think the takeaway stat is crap. Like those people who tried to use takeaways to justify Datsyuk's Selke. And the sample size is small. And there's other ways to get takeaways than just using the stick.

That said, this is comparison within a team so it's a little better.

I've calculated the takeaways per game.
| Player | Tk/G | GP | TkA
1 | Scott Niedermayer | 1.00 | 50 | 50
2 | Ryan Getzlaf | 0.94 | 49 | 46
3 | Chris Pronger | 0.50 | 50 | 25
4 | Francois Beauchemin | 0.50 | 18 | 9
5 | Teemu Selanne | 0.45 | 33 | 15
6 | Todd Marchant | 0.45 | 42 | 19
7 | Samuel Pahlsson | 0.38 | 50 | 19
8 | Corey Perry | 0.37 | 46 | 17
9 | Rob Niedermayer | 0.33 | 48 | 16
10 | Bobby Ryan | 0.28 | 32 | 9
11 | Kent Huskins | 0.24 | 33 | 8
12 | Drew Miller | 0.22 | 9 | 2
13 | Travis Moen | 0.20 | 50 | 10
14 | Ryan Carter | 0.19 | 36 | 7
15 | Brendan Morrison | 0.18 | 49 | 9
16 | Chris Kunitz | 0.16 | 50 | 8
17 | Steve Montador | 0.16 | 50 | 8
18 | George Parros | 0.11 | 44 | 5
19 | Brett Festerling | 0.10 | 29 | 3
20 | Brendan Mikkelson | 0.08 | 12 | 1
21 | Bret Hedican | 0.08 | 40 | 3
22 | Andrew Ebbett | 0.06 | 17 | 1
23 | Nathan McIver | 0.06 | 18 | 1
24 | Matt Beleskey | 0.00 | 2 | 0
25 | Troy Bodie | 0.00 | 3 | 0

Miller is better than Carter, but he's not that good.

Wow, nice work... Pronger and Scotty being up there doesnt surprise me since they are known to be among the best with the stick on Defense (Lidstrom must be the best).

I'm surprised Getzlaf is up there!

haha, where the hell do you get all of these stats from?

That said, this is comparison within a team so it's a little better.

I've calculated the takeaways per game.

Miller is better than Carter, but he's not that good.

Wouldn't it make sense to adjust the average per 60 minutes similar to GAA? That would make a comparison between a 30-minute guy like Niedermayer and a 10-minute guy more meaningful.

Same for give aways, please. I'd really like to see those numbers.

Wouldn't it make sense to adjust the average per 60 minutes similar to GAA? That would make a comparison between a 30-minute guy like Niedermayer and a 10-minute guy more meaningful.

Same for give aways, please. I'd really like to see those numbers.

I ran some quick numbers, but I only had time to do our leader in the giveaway category.

| Player | GvA/G | GP | GvA
1 | Brenden Morrison | 18,687 | 49 | 934,350


Every game he plays about 13 minutes and has 1,437 giveaways per minute.

I also rounded to 50 games.

haha, where the hell do you get all of these stats from?
Just NHL.com. I often run them through a spreadsheet.
Wouldn't it make sense to adjust the average per 60 minutes similar to GAA? That would make a comparison between a 30-minute guy like Niedermayer and a 10-minute guy more meaningful.

Same for give aways, please. I'd really like to see those numbers.
Excellent idea.

Takeaways/60:
| Player | Tk/60 | TOI | TkA
1 | Ryan Getzlaf | 2.84 | 970.68 | 46
2 | Scott Niedermayer | 2.21 | 1354.45 | 50
3 | Todd Marchant | 2.04 | 557.95 | 19
4 | Teemu Selanne | 1.65 | 545.52 | 15
5 | Ryan Carter | 1.33 | 314.73 | 7
6 | Rob Niedermayer | 1.23 | 778 | 16
7 | Samuel Pahlsson | 1.23 | 924.65 | 19
8 | Corey Perry | 1.21 | 844.62 | 17
9 | Drew Miller | 1.21 | 99.58 | 2
10 | Francois Beauchemin | 1.17 | 460.62 | 9
11 | Bobby Ryan | 1.13 | 477.2 | 9
12 | Chris Pronger | 1.12 | 1337.25 | 25
13 | George Parros | 1.07 | 279.4 | 5
14 | Travis Moen | 0.8 | 747.73 | 10
15 | Kent Huskins | 0.77 | 620.08 | 8
16 | Brendan Morrison | 0.76 | 712.67 | 9
17 | Steve Montador | 0.62 | 779.48 | 8
18 | Brett Festerling | 0.36 | 502.9 | 3
19 | Nathan McIver | 0.35 | 169.15 | 1
20 | Chris Kunitz | 0.35 | 1354.45 | 8
21 | Brendan Mikkelson | 0.32 | 187.67 | 1
22 | Bret Hedican | 0.28 | 642.22 | 3
23 | Andrew Ebbett | 0.27 | 222.37 | 1
24 | Matt Beleskey | 0 | 22.32 | 0
25 | Troy Bodie | 0 | 26.73 | 0


Now giveaways
| Player | Gv/60 | TOI | GvA
1 | Ryan Getzlaf | 2.91 | 970.68 | 47
2 | Brendan Mikkelson | 2.88 | 187.67 | 9
3 | Teemu Selanne | 2.75 | 545.52 | 25
4 | Bobby Ryan | 2.51 | 477.2 | 20
5 | Troy Bodie | 2.24 | 26.73 | 1
6 | Francois Beauchemin | 2.21 | 460.62 | 17
7 | Corey Perry | 2.06 | 844.62 | 29
8 | Scott Niedermayer | 2.04 | 1354.45 | 46
9 | Brendan Morrison | 2.02 | 712.67 | 24
10 | Ryan Carter | 1.72 | 314.73 | 9
11 | George Parros | 1.72 | 279.4 | 8
12 | Bret Hedican | 1.59 | 642.22 | 17
13 | Rob Niedermayer | 1.47 | 778 | 19
14 | Samuel Pahlsson | 1.43 | 924.65 | 22
15 | Steve Montador | 1.39 | 779.48 | 18
16 | Chris Kunitz | 1.33 | 1354.45 | 30
17 | Todd Marchant | 1.29 | 557.95 | 12
18 | Chris Pronger | 1.26 | 1337.25 | 28
19 | Andrew Ebbett | 1.08 | 222.37 | 4
20 | Kent Huskins | 0.97 | 620.08 | 10
21 | Brett Festerling | 0.84 | 502.9 | 7
22 | Travis Moen | 0.72 | 747.73 | 9
23 | Drew Miller | 0.6 | 99.58 | 1
24 | Nathan McIver | 0.35 | 169.15 | 1
25 | Matt Beleskey | 0 | 22.32 | 0

Mikkelson is terrible not only on the ice but statistically too lol.

Miller does still get a more ES ice time than Carter. Over a minute ES TOI per game. So the difference is not just PK (which Miller is better at because he has good defensive positioning and stickwork).

I was intrigued by the mention of stickwork. Which I do find true, Miller seems better at pokechecking/getting his stick in passing lanes and the like.

Now this comes with the disclaimer that I think the takeaway stat is crap. Like those people who tried to use takeaways to justify Datsyuk's Selke. And the sample size is small. And there's other ways to get takeaways than just using the stick.

That said, this is comparison within a team so it's a little better.

I've calculated the takeaways per game.
| Player | Tk/G | GP | TkA
1 | Scott Niedermayer | 1.00 | 50 | 50
2 | Ryan Getzlaf | 0.94 | 49 | 46
3 | Chris Pronger | 0.50 | 50 | 25
4 | Francois Beauchemin | 0.50 | 18 | 9
5 | Teemu Selanne | 0.45 | 33 | 15
6 | Todd Marchant | 0.45 | 42 | 19
7 | Samuel Pahlsson | 0.38 | 50 | 19
8 | Corey Perry | 0.37 | 46 | 17
9 | Rob Niedermayer | 0.33 | 48 | 16
10 | Bobby Ryan | 0.28 | 32 | 9
11 | Kent Huskins | 0.24 | 33 | 8
12 | Drew Miller | 0.22 | 9 | 2
13 | Travis Moen | 0.20 | 50 | 10
14 | Ryan Carter | 0.19 | 36 | 7
15 | Brendan Morrison | 0.18 | 49 | 9
16 | Chris Kunitz | 0.16 | 50 | 8
17 | Steve Montador | 0.16 | 50 | 8
18 | George Parros | 0.11 | 44 | 5
19 | Brett Festerling | 0.10 | 29 | 3
20 | Brendan Mikkelson | 0.08 | 12 | 1
21 | Bret Hedican | 0.08 | 40 | 3
22 | Andrew Ebbett | 0.06 | 17 | 1
23 | Nathan McIver | 0.06 | 18 | 1
24 | Matt Beleskey | 0.00 | 2 | 0
25 | Troy Bodie | 0.00 | 3 | 0

Miller is better than Carter, but he's not that good.

Miller better then Carter? No way. Maybe at the PK. Carter is the better of the two at 5 on 5 IMO.

Carter is 50 x the player Miller is.

Now that I've got some time to look at the numbers, here's some thoughts.

Miller was better than I thought he'd be. Miller seemed middle of pack to me. Although that's with an entire 2 takeaways and only 9 games, so the sample size is too small.

Getzlaf is high event. He's got a lot of takeaways, which makes sense based on how dominant he always is. He also has a lot of turnovers, which also makes sense because of all his fancy-schmancy passes to nowhere.

Niedermayer is up there in giveaways. We kind of knew that based on all his weak clearing attempts, but you can see the numbers showing it. Our other Norris Dman, on the other hand, has been quite solid in terms of giveaways.

Morrison's giveaway numbers aren't as bad as I'd expect.

Finally, while I've got these stats handy, I thought I'd try something out of basketball. I calculated assist-turnover ratios. A favorite for hoops guys to compare point guards.
| Player | A/TO | GvA | A
1 | Drew Miller | 3 | 1 | 3
2 | Andrew Ebbett | 2 | 4 | 8
3 | Nathan McIver | 1 | 1 | 1
4 | Corey Perry | 0.966 | 29 | 28
5 | Ryan Getzlaf | 0.872 | 47 | 41
6 | Bobby Ryan | 0.8 | 20 | 16
7 | Chris Pronger | 0.793 | 29 | 23
8 | Travis Moen | 0.7 | 10 | 7
9 | Ryan Carter | 0.667 | 9 | 6
10 | George Parros | 0.625 | 8 | 5
11 | Scott Niedermayer | 0.596 | 47 | 28
12 | Chris Kunitz | 0.533 | 30 | 16
13 | Steve Montador | 0.526 | 19 | 10
14 | Teemu Selanne | 0.5 | 26 | 13
15 | Todd Marchant | 0.5 | 12 | 6
16 | Samuel Pahlsson | 0.435 | 23 | 10
17 | Brett Festerling | 0.429 | 7 | 3
18 | Brendan Morrison | 0.417 | 24 | 10
19 | Kent Huskins | 0.4 | 10 | 4
20 | Bret Hedican | 0.294 | 17 | 5
21 | Rob Niedermayer | 0.263 | 19 | 5
22 | Francois Beauchemin | 0.059 | 17 | 1
23 | Brendan Mikkelson | 0 | 9 | 0
24 | Matt Beleskey | 0 | 0 | 0
25 | Troy Bodie | 0 | 1 | 0

Perry's doing quite well. He's become quite the playmaker this year.

Morrison's giveaway numbers aren't as bad as I'd expect.



Gotta have possession to be credited with a giveaway.

LOL... this is hilarious.... This is like comparing an NBA's players Assist to Turnover ratio.

Doesnt surprise me that guys like Moen/Fester/Marchant/Huskins dont have many turnovers... they usually keep it simple and dump the puck.

I noticed that guys with a combination of speed and hands (Getz, Scotty, Selanne) are better at "stealing" pucks.

Wow, nice work... Pronger and Scotty being up there doesnt surprise me since they are known to be among the best with the stick on Defense (Lidstrom must be the best).

I'm surprised Getzlaf is up there!

Scotty is the best, for defensemen. The next player on the list is Hamhuis and Markov with 36.

For all players it's Datsyuk with 59, and Malkin is tied with Scotty.

I think you're getting things crossed. Waivers is determined by years after signing your first contract (this is Salcido's last season to be exempt) or NHL games played (reg season and playoffs). Salcido has 0.

UFA/arbitration/RFA is determined by professional experience (AHL included)... but that's years played and not games.

I'm pretty sure that Salcido is waiver exempt.

Well you are correct but I was able to find out that there is a reason why Salcido hasn't been recalled yet that doesn't have anything to do with his on-ice performance. If you can believe me I actually just got off the phone with David McNab (seriously I'm not joking) and he told me that Salsa has bonuses that are getting in the way much like Bobby Ryan at the beginning of the year. If he were to be called up he'd be about an 800K+ player which is too much I guess. Well at the time that Mikkelson was recalled it was too much and now it's come down to a coaching choice that Mikkelson is here instead of Salsa. So there you go.

On a side note I can't tell you how accessible and friendly David McNab is. I still can't believe he suggested I call him to answer my questions. He just shot up a notch in my cool book.

On a side note I can't tell you how accessible and friendly David McNab is. I still can't believe he suggested I call him to answer my questions. He just shot up a notch in my cool book.

Did he say anything regarding the teams direction heading into the deadline? Eg whether we will likely be buyers or sellers?

Well you are correct but I was able to find out that there is a reason why Salcido hasn't been recalled yet that doesn't have anything to do with his on-ice performance. If you can believe me I actually just got off the phone with David McNab (seriously I'm not joking) and he told me that Salsa has bonuses that are getting in the way much like Bobby Ryan at the beginning of the year. If he were to be called up he'd be about an 800K+ player which is too much I guess. Well at the time that Mikkelson was recalled it was too much and now it's come down to a coaching choice that Mikkelson is here instead of Salsa. So there you go.

On a side note I can't tell you how accessible and friendly David McNab is. I still can't believe he suggested I call him to answer my questions. He just shot up a notch in my cool book.
That's interesting for a couple reasons.

Salcido does indeed have a number of bonuses. His cap hit would be 850k, even though his base is supposedly 585. But Mikkelson also has bonuses, totally 821k (he gets the 29k bonus-cap-hit shift by playing a year in juniors while under contract), and his base salary is actually higher (~615k). So Mikkelson's base salary hurts the cap more than Salcido's, and the .

Also, as the NHL declined to open the CBA, teams probably should be able to once again exceed the cap with the performance bonus cushion. So the bonuses shouldn't be much of an issue. Although you said the initial decision was made before then, and this recalling Mikkelson again after the ASG was just keeping status quo.

As far as I can tell, Mikkelson and Salcido are pretty much equivalent in terms of cap. The only thing I can think of is that maybe Salcido has easier to reach bonuses (or more bonuses that he's still eligible for by not having a 41 game minimum), and they're worried about having bonuses carry over into next season.


If you ever talk to McNab again, there's lots of good questions to ask. How the hell does LTIR work? Why keep Larsen on LTIR versus waive him and "send him" to the minors. And what was the rationale behind all that Larsen-LeNeveu craziness earlier in the year? http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=559501

And are there any college guys that he's looking at (obviously he can't talk specifics)?

That's interesting for a couple reasons.

Salcido does indeed have a number of bonuses. His cap hit would be 850k, even though his base is supposedly 585. But Mikkelson also has bonuses, totally 821k (he gets the 29k bonus-cap-hit shift by playing a year in juniors while under contract), and his base salary is actually higher (~615k). So Mikkelson's base salary hurts the cap more than Salcido's, and the .

Also, as the NHL declined to open the CBA, teams probably should be able to once again exceed the cap with the performance bonus cushion. So the bonuses shouldn't be much of an issue. Although you said the initial decision was made before then, and this recalling Mikkelson again after the ASG was just keeping status quo.

As far as I can tell, Mikkelson and Salcido are pretty much equivalent in terms of cap. The only thing I can think of is that maybe Salcido has easier to reach bonuses (or more bonuses that he's still eligible for by not having a 41 game minimum), and they're worried about having bonuses carry over into next season.


If you ever talk to McNab again, there's lots of good questions to ask. How the hell does LTIR work? Why keep Larsen on LTIR versus waive him and "send him" to the minors. And what was the rationale behind all that Larsen-LeNeveu craziness earlier in the year? http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=559501

And are there any college guys that he's looking at (obviously he can't talk specifics)?

Our conversation was really brief and I could tell he wanted to make sure my question was answered but he needed be on his way. Can't say I'll call him out of the blue with any more questions but all I did in the first place was email him and he suggested to me to call him. I'd rather not say what his email is but it's simple to figure out if you know any other Ducks staffer's email.