Ducks down 1-0

It's officially a tradition.

If tradition holds true then we've lost this gama. Time to start selling.

Okposo has one of his three goals so far...

Ducks down 1-0

It's officially a tradition.

Can we start a new tradition...like drinking at work before the game starts? :help:

Yann Danis is still yet to record his first win this year. Our PP sucks.

Lol another first. McLeans first NHL goal. Jiggy sucks!

Giggy :shakehead

This just in, the Western All-Stars are already down 1-0.

Jiggy is pissed.

The Islanders announcers are so blunt.

Montador shows a nice burst of speed.

Where is Allaire when you need him?

I feel for Giguere he looks ****ing upset on the bench

I come in peace. They pulled Giguere already?

I come in peace. They pulled Giguere already?

He let in two softies shortside. I would have pulled him if i were the coach. Although if i were the coach we'd play better and might not be in this situstion.

Damn =\ any clue why his game has been off this season? Death of his father maybe?

Damn =\ any clue why his game has been off this season? Death of his father maybe?

It appears so, he wasn't doing too badly until his father was sick.

Worst team in the NHL. LOL.

Kurtis McLean's (who?) first NHL goal. Likely to be Danis' first win this season. What else is new. I would go through our games and count all the "firsts" and "broken streaks" we've allowed. But I don't want to get depressed.

Oksoapo well on his way to his hat trick. Next thing Okposho will score shorthanded.

I'm pretty sure Moen got punched in the head too many times and forgot how to play hockey, he's been beyond aweful.

Poor Giggy, he's in a bad place right now, with no end in sight.

:laugh: is the only emotion that comes out when watching this team anymore.

Worst team in the NHL. LOL.

Kurtis McLean's (who?) first NHL goal. Likely to be Danis' first win this season. What else is new. I would go through our games and count all the "firsts" and "broken streaks" we've allowed. But I don't want to get depressed.

Oksoapo well on his way to his hat trick. Next thing Okposho will score shorthanded.

You forgot the Isles haven't won in 2009, that's another first.

Probably going to be Danis' first shutout as well.

Can they stop playing Mikkelson already? McIver is much better

Niedermayer and Ryan look like the only ones trying at this point.

It's like a Ducks powerplay now.

LOL, 4 on 2. Really?

Those last two minutes are how the game should have been playing since the start of the match.

Can they stop playing Mikkelson already? McIver is much better

I've be wondering the same thing.

Mikkelson obviously has potential, but it's even more obvious he isn't ready for the NHL.

If Kunitz and Perry could finish Getzlaf may very well be leading the league in assists.

It's official. God does not want the Ducks to win.

Other players with 0 goals this season (or ever):
Witt, Hillen (ever), Gervais, Martinek (their Dmen don't shoot, huh?), Danis :sarcasm:.

Looks like JSG has lost his job for awhile.
Would be nice if these guys could put in a little effort before the break.
Go Ducks!

This team has no sense of urgency.

Ha, too many men on the ice. How many have we seen recently?

edit: NYR, Pitt, LA, Pho x 2.

I think Danis is the only one trying now. Islanders look like they left the game early.

2 posts.

Okpo-po is getting behind pace.

PP for the Ducks.

Ducks score !!!
2-1 NYI
Ryan

QP has the best scoring luck ever. Perry + Ryan's puck luck = 70 goals.

Huge save by Yonas.

Please let them show up for the third. Please. We need points heading into the break.

Perry is having his best game in quite some time.

Still <3 Bobby Ryan.

Looks like Moen lost his spot on the checking line... at least for tonight.

It seems stupid to even bother having a checking line against the Islanders.

The Isles have gone 19:04+ without a SOG. A real team playing the worst team in NHL who isn't even trying should destroy them. Sadly we're not a real team.

The NY cameramen pan and zoom the camera around way too much. I feel like I'm watching the Blair Witch Project.

Or rinkside view.

It doesn't help that it's a slow-focusing camera.

This game is stupid

This team waits too often for Getzlaf to mosey the puck through the neutral zone. Someone else can carry the puck too.

you have got to be kidding me...

Ducks lose.
Lousy Road Trip.
Props to Danis.

Wow. What the **** do you say after that piece of **** effort.

how the hell do we lose to NYI!?!? They dont even have their best player playing!

This team is laughable. They better hope they go on a serious run after the break, or the playoffs are out of the question.

I for one hope they either go on a tear, or lose enough to be sellers at the deadline, just pick a course, no middle ground please.

Fourth string goalie and all... **** this ****

Broken record time....

Randy Carlyle, you suck it!

Brendan Morrison, you suck it!

JS Giguere, you really suck it!

Ducks played their system to perfection in the final two periods, dominating the crap Islanders. But nobody scored.

Fire Carlyle! He's in charge of putting pucks in nets for the players!

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=17409567
I don't think there is any reason to not play Hiller anymore. I love JS but honestly. He shouldn't play until we play the islanders next week, because even if he blows, we should still win and could help him start to get out of his funk. Ebbett looks excellent.


I can't stand the wild announcers, I understand that the whistle was way early, but I don't need the replay and comlaining every seven minutes.
D'oh.


The effort wasn't actually that bad. The players just can't score. And the PP is full of fail.

This team is laughable. They better hope they go on a serious run after the break, or the playoffs are out of the question.

I for one hope they either go on a tear, or lose enough to be sellers at the deadline, just pick a course, no middle ground please.

I agree, I'm sick of mediocrity. I'd rather be really bad or good, being average sucks.

God 2, Ducks 1

There is no other explanation I can think of. The Ducks played hard and got tons of chances. It is absolutely sad how many 1 goal losses (not counting empty net goals) they've had this year.

The Islanders from the 2nd period on had the best luck of any team I've seen. Every puck that could've bounced their way did.

But I will stop blaming the refs and this and that. I blame God now. (not Pahlsson, you cheeky b4stards)

I agree, I'm sick of mediocrity. I'd rather be really bad or good, being average sucks.
Well then I have good news for you. The Ducks are 5-9-2 in their last 16. That's definitely not average.

Things are simply just not going this team's way. What pisses me off the most is that some games we just outplay the other team and we still end up losing!

The hockey Gods hate this team.

Well then I have good news for you. The Ducks are 5-9-2 in their last 16. That's definitely not average.

Coincidentally Selanne has missed all 16 of those games.

He let in two softies shortside. I would have pulled him if i were the coach. Although if i were the coach we'd play better and might not be in this situstion.
if i was the coach i wouldn't play him until he withdrew from the allstar game. and then still wouldn't play him

I've been thinking about the Carlyle situation and have had a change of heart with him. Not because I think he is the coach to help this team win, because he obviously isn't. However, he has an amazing track record at developing young players and helping them to their full potential. Since we are going into a rebuild stage with this team, Carlyle might be the best way to go.

Coincidentally Selanne has missed all 16 of those games.

i hope selanne is what fixes us, but i just don't think it is because it is our D that sucks. and he never scores 5v5 anymore

Coincidentally Selanne has missed all 16 of those games.
Well he's apparently got 2 more to go. So call it 6-10-2. Hopefully Teemu can orchestrate a post all-star break run where we're at least 14 games over .500. We're going to need it.

So call it 6-10-2.
I didn't know you were an optimist, haha.

The Ducks need roughly 44 points to sneak into the playoffs (as the 8th seed), and they have 33 games left. Meaning they need to go roughly 22-11 the rest of the way (.6667 pt %).

To put that into perspective, .667 would be 2nd place in the league last season. In 06-07, the Ducks were .671. But don't worry, some still think we can make it!


edit: although to be fair, the Ducks were 21-10-2 in the last 33 games of last season, for a .6667 pt %.

I thought we could make it. I don't anymore, we'll be lucky to play at .500 for the rest of the year the way our defense plays.

Islanders fan - I come in peace....

You will have a sick team for years to come. I watch Perry, Ryan and Getzlaf and see a hella-strong core. Best of luck after the ASB.

i hope selanne is what fixes us, but i just don't think it is because it is our D that sucks. and he never scores 5v5 anymore

Is he supposed to play the 1st game after the all-star break?

Even Islanders fans take pity on us. Ouch.

Here's my pictorial summary of the game, and the season.
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1803/obamayoucantha3.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=obamayoucantha3.jpg)


Is he supposed to play the 1st game after the all-star break?
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-games-carlyle-2285329-game-time
It appears the Ducks will have to wait longer than originally hoped to get right wing Teemu Selanne, versatile forward Todd Marchant and defenseman Kent Huskins back from the injured list.

"It's unrealistic to think any of them are going to play the first game or two right after the all-star break," Carlyle said.

Following Sunday's All-Star Game in Montreal, the Ducks will have only a Monday practice before back-to-back dates Tuesday at Phoenix and Wednesday against visiting Chicago.

"There's really no time for them to practice with our team," Carlyle said.

Selanne, Marchant and Huskins are not on the club's current road swing, though they are working out and rehabilitating in Orange County. Selanne has missed the past 14 games because of a lacerated left-quadriceps muscle, while a broken finger has cost Marchant the past five games. Huskins, whose return to the lineup might not come as quickly, has missed a total of 11 games because of a broken foot.

God 2, Ducks 1

There is no other explanation I can think of. The Ducks played hard and got tons of chances. It is absolutely sad how many 1 goal losses (not counting empty net goals) they've had this year.

The Islanders from the 2nd period on had the best luck of any team I've seen. Every puck that could've bounced their way did.

But I will stop blaming the refs and this and that. I blame God now. (not Pahlsson, you cheeky b4stards)

lol, i agree. it's a lot of bad luck, it happens. if you follow baseball, there are some really dedicated fans who come up with formulas to determine things such as the chances a .300 hitter hits .250 or below in 600 ab's due only to bad fortune. it's a small number on that, but it's still a number, it's still possible, and it happens often enough in a league full of hundreds of players. the problem is telling the guys who just got unlucky and the ones who actually played bad, more often it's some combination of the two. i think that's the case with the ducks. some bad reffing, some bad play, just some bad bounces or not enough good bounces, this isn't a great team, but it's a better team than the scoreboard most often indicates i think. we have had a ton of 1 goal losses, and it seems like bobby ryan is the only forward on the whole team who gets as many goals as he deserves. besides getzlaf maybe (and parros...lul)... and teemu, but he's hurt.

8th place.

Wild have 3 in hand
Jackets have 3 in hand

This team is not making the playoffs with this roster

Islanders fan - I come in peace....

You will have a sick team for years to come. I watch Perry, Ryan and Getzlaf and see a hella-strong core. Best of luck after the ASB.

Did you pick that up on the Sharks board?

Wow you guys are struggling. What's going on in Duck land this year?

Wow you guys are struggling. What's going on in Duck land this year?

Our all star defensemen aren't playing like all stars, Morrison sucks and Giguere is having a rough time.

I feel bad for Giggy...my friend just lost her father recently and its tough for her to do even day to day things much less play professional hockey. I kind of think it would be better for him to skip the allstar game and get away for a bit but maybe playing hockey is his way of getting away.

I feel bad for Giggy...my friend just lost her father recently and its tough for her to do even day to day things much less play professional hockey. I kind of think it would be better for him to skip the allstar game and get away for a bit but maybe playing hockey is his way of getting away.
Well the game is near his home town anyways, and it may actually help boost him

Losing to the Islanders??? God, this reminds me of the good ole days of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim... :shakehead

Ducks played their system to perfection in the final two periods, dominating the crap Islanders. But nobody scored.

Fire Carlyle! He's in charge of putting pucks in nets for the players!

Nope... but he is in charge of the starting goalie.

Nope... but he is in charge of the starting goalie.

I know, right? What kind of an idiot starts a struggling goalie against the league's worst team on the second night of a back-to-back when he didn't play the first game? And then pulls him with plenty of time to come back?

It's just all wrong, I tell you.

Nope... but he is in charge of the starting goalie.

:shakehead

Go post on ducks.nhl.com--you will fit right in.

Well I hope you find a place you fit in one day too Eric. And back to back before an All-Star break is hardly a scenario where fatigue is a factor. The long and the short of it is we are out of time to let Giguere try and find his groove again. It's lost us too many points and we don't have enough games left. Period.

So because I'm a glutton for punishment, I decided to tally up all the streaks we've broken this season.

This is only long streaks, of like 10+ games (or a little less for star types). It's all the first ____ I see.

Oct 9 Erhoff: first goal in 32 games (G.32G)
Oct 9 Setoguchi: G.14G
Oct 12 Boedker: first goal ever (G.EVA)
Oct 12 Sauer: first point in 32 games (P.32G)
Oct 12 Turris: G.EVA
Oct 14 OD: P.11G
Oct 14 Simmonds: G.EVA
Oct 14 Moller: first point/assist ever (P.eva)
Oct 24 Neil: G.21G
Oct 27 Brisebois: first point of the season (P.seas)
Oct 27 Novotny: G.16G
Nov 7 Boucher: P.9G
Nov 7 Parrish: hat trick in 1st game of season, first hat trick since Dec 06
Nov 9 Cullimore: 2 A game since Oct 05
Nov 9 Booth: hat trick ever
Nov 9 Frolik: P.EVA
Nov 14 Hamhuis: goal of the season (G.OTS), G.24G, multipoint game in 45 games
Nov 14 Koistinen: A.OTS, A.11G
Nov 19 Bradley: G.15G
Nov 19 Clark: P.13G
Nov 19 Jurcina: P.14G, A.OTS, A.31G
Nov 19 Ovechkin: 4 point game OTS
Nov 19 Steckel: multipoint game OTS, multipoint game in 44 games
Nov 21 Winchester: P.OTS (first game), A.16G
Nov 24 Laperriere: G.12G
Nov 24 McCormick: P.12G, A,13G
Dec 7 Russell: G.OTS, G.31G
Dec 7 Wilson: P.OTS, first game (his only point in 5 NHL games)
Dec 7 Brassard: G.9G
Dec 11 Nabokov: SO.OTS
Dec 14 Bergeron: G.20G
Dec 14 Pouliot: 2 assist game ever
Dec 16 Drury: G.11G
Dec 19 Cole: G.15G
Dec 19 Pouliot: A.18G
Dec 19 Stortini: P.OTS, P.23G
Dec 22 Davison: P.OTS, P.18G, A.27G (his ONLY point this season)
Dec 23 Giordano: P.10G, G.12G
Dec 23 Sutter: G.EVA (first game)
Dec 27 Modano: G.8G
Dec 27 Neal: A.10G
Dec 28 Tkathuk: G.10G
Dec 31 Mason: 3rd of 3 straight shutouts
Dec 31 MacDonald: G.OTS (first game), G.32G
Dec 31 Hejda: A.11G
Jan 2 Vaananen: G.OTS, G.67G (last goal was Jan 1 07, 2+ years ago) !!!
Jan 2 Richards: A.7G
Jan 2 Gratton: G.OTS, G.41G (Jan 20 07...19 days after Vaananen's last goal)
Jan 6 Quincey: G.23G
Jan 9 Ramo: W.OTS
Jan 9 Artyukhin: A.11G
Jan 9 Malone: multigoal game OTS, multigoal 32 games
Jan 11 Holik: G.14G
Jan 14 Meech: A.11G
Jan 16 Cooke: 2G game OTS, 2G game since Jan 07
Jan 16 Gill: G.OTS (his only goal OTS), G.59G
Jan 16 Staal: A.12G
Jan 20 Naslund: G.8G
Jan 20 Betts: G.14G, P.14G
Jan 20 Sjostrom: G.26G
Jan 21 Danis: W.OTS
Jan 21 McLean: G.EVA
Jan 21 Hillen: P.OTS

PS, the naming system is off by one. They had a streak of X games without a ___, but if you call it "first goal in ___ games" you use X+1. I don't feel like changing it.

I was hoping you would actually go through with putting that together... and now that you did it I'm depressed.

So because I'm a glutton for punishment, I decided to tally up all the streaks we've broken this season.

This is only long streaks, of like 10+ games (or a little less for star types). It's all the first ____ I see.

Oct 9 Erhoff: first goal in 32 games (G.32G)
Oct 9 Setoguchi: G.14G
Oct 12 Boedker: first goal ever (G.EVA)
Oct 12 Sauer: first point in 32 games (P.32G)
Oct 12 Turris: G.EVA
Oct 14 OD: P.11G
Oct 14 Simmonds: G.EVA
Oct 14 Moller: first point/assist ever (P.eva)
Oct 24 Neil: G.21G
Oct 27 Brisebois: first point of the season (P.seas)
Oct 27 Novotny: G.16G
Nov 7 Boucher: P.9G
Nov 7 Parrish: hat trick in 1st game of season, first hat trick since Dec 06
Nov 9 Cullimore: 2 A game since Oct 05
Nov 9 Booth: hat trick ever
Nov 9 Frolik: P.EVA
Nov 14 Hamhuis: goal of the season (G.OTS), G.24G, multipoint game in 45 games
Nov 14 Koistinen: A.OTS, A.11G
Nov 19 Bradley: G.15G
Nov 19 Clark: P.13G
Nov 19 Jurcina: P.14G, A.OTS, A.31G
Nov 19 Ovechkin: 4 point game OTS
Nov 19 Steckel: multipoint game OTS, multipoint game in 44 games
Nov 21 Winchester: P.OTS (first game), A.16G
Nov 24 Laperriere: G.12G
Nov 24 McCormick: P.12G, A,13G
Dec 7 Russell: G.OTS, G.31G
Dec 7 Wilson: P.OTS, first game (his only point in 5 NHL games)
Dec 7 Brassard: G.9G
Dec 11 Nabokov: SO.OTS
Dec 14 Bergeron: G.20G
Dec 14 Pouliot: 2 assist game ever
Dec 16 Drury: G.11G
Dec 19 Cole: G.15G
Dec 19 Pouliot: A.18G
Dec 19 Stortini: P.OTS, P.23G
Dec 22 Davison: P.OTS, P.18G, A.27G (his ONLY point this season)
Dec 23 Giordano: P.10G, G.12G
Dec 23 Sutter: G.EVA (first game)
Dec 27 Modano: G.8G
Dec 27 Neal: A.10G
Dec 28 Tkathuk: G.10G
Dec 31 Mason: 3rd of 3 straight shutouts
Dec 31 MacDonald: G.OTS (first game), G.32G
Dec 31 Hejda: A.11G
Jan 2 Vaananen: G.OTS, G.67G (last goal was Jan 1 07, 2+ years ago) !!!
Jan 2 Richards: A.7G
Jan 2 Gratton: G.OTS, G.41G (Jan 20 07...19 days after Vaananen's last goal)
Jan 6 Quincey: G.23G
Jan 9 Ramo: W.OTS
Jan 9 Artyukhin: A.11G
Jan 9 Malone: multigoal game OTS, multigoal 32 games
Jan 11 Holik: G.14G
Jan 14 Meech: A.11G
Jan 16 Cooke: 2G game OTS, 2G game since Jan 07
Jan 16 Gill: G.OTS (his only goal OTS), G.59G
Jan 16 Staal: A.12G
Jan 20 Naslund: G.8G
Jan 20 Betts: G.14G, P.14G
Jan 20 Sjostrom: G.26G
Jan 21 Danis: W.OTS
Jan 21 McLean: G.EVA
Jan 21 Hillen: P.OTS

PS, the naming system is off by one. They had a streak of X games without a ___, but if you call it "first goal in ___ games" you use X+1. I don't feel like changing it.

I love you, but you're bonkers. Not like the poster. Like bananas, but worse. Nutso actually. Unless you're an IT guy, then this took .3555732 seconds, and I'm not so impressed.

To be honest, I am actually losing faith in this group of players. I tend towards the extremely optimistic side of things, but the struggles this season combined with what happened last season suggests that this group just doesn't have it to win again. I can't tell you how painful it is for me to type that.

Now, I do think it's possible for them to get it going. I just won't be holding my breath.

Hopefully Selanne's return will help boost the team a bit. I'm his biggest fan in history. I once saw his car at a car wash/gas station in So. Cal, and almost lost my ****. The viper with the "FAAAST" liscence plate. He wasn't there, and I asked the car wash attendant if he was coming by soon to get his car, and he told me his wife was picking it up. ****. This was way back. Anyhow, hopefully I'm underestimating his effect on the team. We look at the numbers and aren't convinced that he's going to help much more than the PP. But, the game is much more than numbers. I've been around it, as a youth player, fan, and pro staff, my entire life. I've seen completely inexplicable things happen to a club. At a certain point, reason flies out the window and "chemistry" or something takes over. Selanne "means" something to this group, and I hope it's a "whole freaking lot". That is this team's only shot at this point, because "on paper" the horses just don't have what it takes.

And what bothers me is that if we did was people suggest...trade Pronger for a haul, trade Niedermayer, trade others...these guys will perform elsewhere. Pronger isn't "on the downside". Niedermayer isn't "*********". Marchant isn't "useless". Rob Niedermayer isn't "****ing retarded". These guys are very good players. Champions. But, this unit, as it is right now, just can't seem to get it done.

And the other part of it is, the future is fine! I'm very confident in the Getzlaf, Ryan, Perry core. They could use a stud D prospect, but really things are pretty good here. I like the state of the organization. It's just this stupid season.

Getting rid of Carlyle, unless the team is super duper desperate to win this season, makes zero sense. He's proven he can coach a Cup winner, and he's proven he's one of the best at developing talent. Most people on the board didn't know much about him before he got here. I've followed his coaching career since it's beginnings with the Jets and then the Manitoba Moose. He's magic with the kids. I've heard Pat Quinn suggested from Jerky Leclerc (who I also love)...I've heard a few other names...I haven't heard a convincing argument that any of them are a better coach for this team past this season than Carlyle.

Ok, I'm just about done. My expectation for the team was a Cup. I'm losing hope, but a half-miracle is still possible. My expectation past this season is a playoff team building back up to being a perennial Cup contender. I'm confident that this organization is on that road currently without huge splashes like trading Pronger or Niedermayer right this moment. I'm frustrated as all hell. And, I guess that's all I had to say. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with my rum-induced ramblings...

Something to warm your rum-soaked heart cockles:

Record Since the Lockout
Overall: 161-95-39 (.612)
With Selanne: 129-64-28 (.647)
Nada Selanne: 32-31-11 (.507)

A .647 pace to end this season would give us 94 points, enough to squeak into the playoffs probably.

I love you, but you're bonkers. Not like the poster. Like bananas, but worse. Nutso actually. Unless you're an IT guy, then this took .3555732 seconds, and I'm not so impressed.

To be honest, I am actually losing faith in this group of players. I tend towards the extremely optimistic side of things, but the struggles this season combined with what happened last season suggests that this group just doesn't have it to win again. I can't tell you how painful it is for me to type that.

Now, I do think it's possible for them to get it going. I just won't be holding my breath.

Hopefully Selanne's return will help boost the team a bit. I'm his biggest fan in history. I once saw his car at a car wash/gas station in So. Cal, and almost lost my ****. The viper with the "FAAAST" liscence plate. He wasn't there, and I asked the car wash attendant if he was coming by soon to get his car, and he told me his wife was picking it up. ****. This was way back. Anyhow, hopefully I'm underestimating his effect on the team. We look at the numbers and aren't convinced that he's going to help much more than the PP. But, the game is much more than numbers. I've been around it, as a youth player, fan, and pro staff, my entire life. I've seen completely inexplicable things happen to a club. At a certain point, reason flies out the window and "chemistry" or something takes over. Selanne "means" something to this group, and I hope it's a "whole freaking lot". That is this team's only shot at this point, because "on paper" the horses just don't have what it takes.

And what bothers me is that if we did was people suggest...trade Pronger for a haul, trade Niedermayer, trade others...these guys will perform elsewhere. Pronger isn't "on the downside". Niedermayer isn't "*********". Marchant isn't "useless". Rob Niedermayer isn't "****ing retarded". These guys are very good players. Champions. But, this unit, as it is right now, just can't seem to get it done.

And the other part of it is, the future is fine! I'm very confident in the Getzlaf, Ryan, Perry core. They could use a stud D prospect, but really things are pretty good here. I like the state of the organization. It's just this stupid season.

Getting rid of Carlyle, unless the team is super duper desperate to win this season, makes zero sense. He's proven he can coach a Cup winner, and he's proven he's one of the best at developing talent. Most people on the board didn't know much about him before he got here. I've followed his coaching career since it's beginnings with the Jets and then the Manitoba Moose. He's magic with the kids. I've heard Pat Quinn suggested from Jerky Leclerc (who I also love)...I've heard a few other names...I haven't heard a convincing argument that any of them are a better coach for this team past this season than Carlyle.

Ok, I'm just about done. My expectation for the team was a Cup. I'm losing hope, but a half-miracle is still possible. My expectation past this season is a playoff team building back up to being a perennial Cup contender. I'm confident that this organization is on that road currently without huge splashes like trading Pronger or Niedermayer right this moment. I'm frustrated as all hell. And, I guess that's all I had to say. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with my rum-induced ramblings...
Like I said, glutton for punishment. It didn't actually take as long as I expected, and I was kind of curious.

Your POV is essentially that there's just something not right with the team chemistry-wise. In that case, it makes perfect sense to do some kind of shaking-up move. Such as firing Carlyle, or trading someone away. Just don't move everything that's not nailed down, not like that's ever a good idea anyways.

Coach swapping may hurt if Carlyle is a good developmental coach. I can't comment on that too much as he hasn't developed a whole lot of guys while I've seen him. He did get more out of Kunitz and Beauchemin than I'd have expected, so that looks good. But on the other hand, he hasn't brought up many young guys (especially recently), so it's hard to tell what he'd actually do in a rebuilding situation.


I don't see the team as a playoff team come rebuild time. The defense is crap. They shouldn't be NYI bad, but I see a team who's out of the playoffs. Although a key FA defenseman or two could really speed things up.

I'm used to crappy rebuilding teams, so I don't get that worked up over it. I just want a nice, concrete plan from the management to make it as short as possible. Be decisive.

Your POV is essentially that there's just something not right with the team chemistry-wise. In that case, it makes perfect sense to do some kind of shaking-up move. Such as firing Carlyle, or trading someone away. Just don't move everything that's not nailed down, not like that's ever a good idea anyways.

I don't really think it's chemistry...though I can see why you thought that from my post. There are a few things...

a) legitimate holes in the lineup, such as a 2nd line center, number 3-4 d-man, consistent starting goaltending,

b) motivation...not the sort of rah-rah that everyone looks to the coaches or captains for...the sort of internal motivation that was so evident in the playoffs in 07. Each individual is responsible for that, and I haven't seen it throughout the entire team since winning the Cup,

c) some sort of intangible, chemistry sort of deal that may be fortified by a coaching change or splash of a trade. I think the coaching change improvement is temporary and short-lived, and if the other elements still aren't right, they'll be right back into their old ways in no time. I'm hoping Selanne coming back can boost this.

Not giving Carter enough ice time is an element, but it's somewhere around "r".

Regarding the D past this year, it's tough to tell how they'll be with no one re-signed. Not a lot of reason for optimism right now, that's for sure.