The one way to rebuild this team

Trade Pronger and Niedermayer.

I know Joeman isn't on board but most of us see this team for what it is.

Trading Pronger and Niedermayer would speed up any sort of rebuilding process.

Boston, New York, Vancouver, Philly are four teams I immediately think of that' could be interested in both.

We could head into a deep draft with 3 firsts and would definitely get some talent back ready to contribute now.

We get an additional 6.5 in cap space.

It's just time to face facts, unless there's some miracle trade out there, this team is not a cup contender, I would hate to see this team keep both and either miss or barely make the playoffs, and then see Niedermayer retire or go elsewhere while we get nothing in return.

I don`t agree with u mate. Pronger and Niedermayer have been doing well so far. Ok , Niedermayer is -3 and Pronger is -4, but its not easy to play in one line with Festerling and Mikkelson. We have some key injuries right now but when Selanne comes back and i hope Huskins will be back soon, we can see some good times. its so bad we lost Beauchamain for the rest of the season.

When trading someone-- i consider trading Morrisson. I was sceptical at the beginning of the season and he has shown nothing. he gets 14 minutes ice time and gets only 2 shots on goal per game. How much scoring have we got from the second line ?

If we are somehow out of the playoff race by the deadline (still highly unlikely that we are out of the picture), I would certainly entertain thoughts of dealing Niedermayer as much of a longshot as this is considering you would be giving up the season. The return would certainly be silly (1st rounder, good prospect and current decent young player is prolly the going rate) but I highly doubt this happens. I would keep Pronger as he is signed through next year. I'm privately hoping they go hard after Bouwmeester in the offseason if Niedermayer retires or is aloof about re-signing, etc. I like the cut of Jay's jib.

Western Conference:
7. Anaheim 48 51
8. Vancouver 48 51
9. Minnesota 46 49
10. Columbus 46 48
11. Colorado 46 47

If the ducks do fall out of the top 8, it might be wise to trade Pronger now rather than next year since a desperate team wanting to get into the playoffs would not just get a franchise dman rental.

The only 2 teams I see that is a boarderline playoff team and has aggressive GM/leadership would be the Flyers or Penguins.

Flyers have a ton of young talent to offer. I could see Coburn and Gagne/Lupol for Pronger, although I would rather get JVR or Carter. If its Gagne, at least we get some speed, 2way forward, and scorer... but Ryan would have to play center.

The NHL needs Pittsburgh to make the playoffs since Crosby and Malkin are the 2 of the most marketable players. I can see the Ducks receiving Whitney, Staal, Bissonnette, Fedotenko for Pronger, Marchant, Morrison, Miller/Salcido/McIver. Ducks would trim payroll but Marchant and Morrison are free agents next year. Staal probably wants to get out of the shadow of the 2 offensive giants... he's a potential great 2-way player.

I forget to mention that although Pronger has been putting up his good offensive numbers... I truely think he's lost his edge and footspeed. I dont think he would resign at the end of next year either. Hes a type who wants to "be the man" and probably feels like the 2nd fiddle with Scotty here. I also think we would probably prefer to play on the East Coast.

Like I said in the Proger rumor thread, if the season seems lost. Pronger to Boston for Bergeron, Wideman and a 1st in 09. Hell, we can even throw in Marchant to give them a 3rd line PK center if they want. They can have Rob too.

Is it really necessary to rebuild? Honestly, our future isn't bleak. It's not like we're stacked with aging forwards who on the down side of their careers. We have a lot of guys who have expiring contracts that already have young replacements in waiting or play a position that should be easy to replace with a free agent. If we are totally out the playoff picture by the deadline, which I don't is going to happen, than trading Scotty is an option. But Pronger? We could potentially turn over our entire defensive core if we do that. I have two words for you in that regard: Tampa Bay. That is a recipe for disaster right there. Why put our team in that kind of situation?

If you want to do something drastic to improve the team for the future you consider removing Randy Carlyle in the summer. I wouldn't do it now because that'll sink this team and we can still make the playoffs.

It all depends on whether Pronger would sign an extension with the Ducks and for how much. If he wants a payraise, then he should be traded because hes not playing at the level as when he was a Blue or Oiler.

As for Bergeron, Wideman, 1st... thats is crappy return... I am sure he would garner a much better offer. Bergeron is damaged goods (id rather get Gagne) and Wideman is similar to Beauchemin (good hitter, strong for fighting, big shot, can log big minutes but has defensive lapses every game).

I don't agree with trading Pronger. I think Pronger is the type who wants to stay in Anaheim for the remainder of his career. He has made enough money to want to stay in one town and not deal with traveling like a journeyman. As for his skills, Pronger is still one of the top defensemen in the game. He makes bonehead plays here and there but who doesn't. This year, he has been one of our most consistent defensemen so I wouldn't be too quick to call him done.

This team has bigger issues and I would start with Morrison, Giguere, our highly regarded checking line, and coach Randy Carlyle. Lets see what Pat Quinn can do with this group.

I dunno about trading Pronger.

He's got a huge contract for 1 more year, and there's going to be a lot of teams worried about salary with this economy. That's not even considering the possible stagnant/dropping cap.

I think his extra year actually would hurt his trade value. Especially for say Pittsburgh, where large extensions for guys such as Malkin and Staal mean that tagging room will be suspect (although they do have lots of expiring contracts so maybe it can work).

It's also good to keep at least some vets for a rebuild, although typically you'd prefer the steady mid-level types with character and leadership (gee... and OD type).

But yeah, trade away guys like Niedermayer(s), Morrison, Marchant.

I'd love to land both players but I just don't see how the Canucks could possibly afford the amount of future it would take to land them. Of the two, I think Scott Niedermayer would be the better fit as the Canucks' biggest need on defense is someone who can distribute the puck effectively to the forwards and also QB the PP. I also feel that the Canucks would have a great shot at re-signing him after the season, considering Vancouver was a team he was interested in signing with when he left New Jersey.

So my question is, what would it take to land Niedermayer?

I dunno about trading Pronger.

He's got a huge contract for 1 more year, and there's going to be a lot of teams worried about salary with this economy.

Prongers contract is a bargain compared to most D who hit the UFA market. Look at the contracts of Campbell, Chara, Redden etc. Hell Redden is making more than Pronger and isn't half the defenseman Pronger is.

Prongers contract is a bargain compared to most D who hit the UFA market. Look at the contracts of Campbell, Chara, Redden etc. Hell Redden is making more than Pronger and isn't half the defenseman Pronger is.
Abstractly, yes. He's a bargain. But they were signed at a different time. And those teams already have them. It's a sunk cost.

But you're talking about a team now trying to accommodate 6+ million of new salary. I think teams would be wary of doing so.

I think the Ducks value Scotty more than Pronger. If the team voted for their captain, I think Scott would get the most votes. I hope the ducks resign Scotty (even at the cost of signing his brother) and if they were to trade (if they are out of the playoff picture) it should be Pronger.

For some reason I feel Scott and Pronger's are East Coast guys. Im sure they hate the travel and West Coast teams travel the most since. I really hope GM Murray is as good as Burke in signing good players.

If by deadline Ducks are clearly under the play-off line, I'd trade both Scotty and Pronger without a second thought.

Both would fetch a great return from some top contender (Boston for example) and it would speed up the inevitable rebuild tremendously.

One for good young d-man + 1st rounder and the other for good young center + 1st.

EDIT: think about what players like Blake, Campbell, Guerin, Rivet etc. got in return. Pronger and Scotty would both get easily more than any of those, minimum price would be 1st + good player/top prospect.

I still would be loyal to Scotty... he gave us our first championship... he was a beast that year and did everything. He was even much more physical than Pronger during our Cup year than Pronger has been the past 2-3 years. You shouldnt trade guys like him unless you had to... I doubt Detroit ever thought about trading Yzerman... Toronto was close to trading Sundin, but didnt....

Pronger was not here from the begining of or playoff runs that we lost, he was just the missing piece and didnt grow with the team. Thats why I dont mind if they traded him for the right opportunity.

I still would be loyal to Scotty... he gave us our first championship...
Scotty hasn't exactly been a model of loyalty towards the Ducks. He didn't give us the cup either, the team did. Getz, Sammy, Giggy and Beauch deserved the Conn Smythe as much as Scotty did or more.

Remeber, if Scotty doesn't go on his mid-contract vacation, Burke doesn't sign Schneider and consequently doesn't trade Andymac for Weight and O'Donnell for nothing. Our continuing 2nd line center issue is a direct result of Scotty's antics.

So my question is, what would it take to land Niedermayer?

Probably quite alot if you consider what other deadline acquisitions have cost in recent years.

Maybe something like Bieksa & Edler & 1st in 09 or Bieksa & Hodgson.

It all depends on whether Pronger would sign an extension with the Ducks and for how much. If he wants a payraise, then he should be traded because hes not playing at the level as when he was a Blue or Oiler.

As for Bergeron, Wideman, 1st... thats is crappy return... I am sure he would garner a much better offer. Bergeron is damaged goods (id rather get Gagne) and Wideman is similar to Beauchemin (good hitter, strong for fighting, big shot, can log big minutes but has defensive lapses every game).

Hah, if you think Pronger is going to get more than that, you will be disappointed. Bergeron is a PPG, do everything type center when he is healthy, sure it's a gamble, but players like him are never available. Wideman is a better skater than beauch and a much better puck distributer, would be a great #2 D-man. Most Boston fans feel he's been even better than Chara this year.

I doubt Detroit ever thought about trading Yzerman... Toronto was close to trading Sundin, but didnt.

An old NY Times Story (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E3D6133DF934A25755C0A96E9582 60&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)

Early in the 1995-96 season, the Wings were discussing a potential trade involving Yzerman with the Ottawa Senators. The story in Detroit goes that Bowman was considering the move when the Red Wings' owner, Mike Ilitch, stepped in and said Yzerman was not going anywhere.

Also, the Leafs would have traded Sundin in a second if they thought he'd agree to waive his no-trade clause. Instead, he screwed the team by leaving for nothing in the off-season.

Trade Sammy anyone? I would love to keep him, but I don't see him re-signing here.

Probably quite alot if you consider what other deadline acquisitions have cost in recent years.

Maybe something like Bieksa & Edler & 1st in 09 or Bieksa & Hodgson.

I wouldn't move Bieksa for Niedermayer, Pronger maybe because he's signed for next season, but Nieds is an UFA. Since when does a UFA command a 25+ min d-man in return let alone adding a top prospect such as Hodgson or a young d-man plus a 1st?

I would think that Niedermayer's value would be similar to what Brian Campbell got last year, Steve Bernier and a 1st. If the Ducks truly are out of the playoff picture at the deadline and what to get a return on Niedermayer I'd offer Alex Edler and a 1st for him. That's worth more than Bernier and a 1st in a weaker draft which is what Campbell got.

got this from TFP (http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ana090121.html)

apparently the DUcks are considering moving Pronger

"He's getting traded," said Kypreos, who is a hockey analyst for Rogers Sportsnet. "If they miss the playoffs, he's done."

Kypreos also said there was no way Sundin would sign with Vancouver.

I would think that Niedermayer's value would be similar to what Brian Campbell got last year, Steve Bernier and a 1st. If the Ducks truly are out of the playoff picture at the deadline and what to get a return on Niedermayer I'd offer Alex Edler and a 1st for him. That's worth more than Bernier and a 1st in a weaker draft which is what Campbell got.

No problem with your retort of the proposal but don't you think Nieds is quite a lot more of a player than Campbell?

How about Edler, Raymond and a first?

No problem with your retort of the proposal but don't you think Nieds is quite a lot more of a player than Campbell?

For sure, but I also feel that Edler is worth more than Bernier and a 1st in this draft is worth more than a 1st in last year's draft.


How about Edler, Raymond and a first?

If I know Niedermayer was willing to re-sign with Vancouver, I would consider it. What if the draft pick was made conditional on the basis of Niedermayer re-signing with Vancouver? I think Niedermayer will be a target of Gillis' if he isn't re-signed by Anaheim anyway.

One thing to keep in mind is Bob Murray's ties with the Canucks. From 1999 to 2005 he was a scout in the Canucks organization so I wouldn't be surprised if he has an affinity for some players that were drafted by the organization at the time, one of which was Edler. If the Ducks do decide to move one of Pronger or Niedermayer, or both, I could see the Canucks being a good trading partner. Of course, both teams are tied at this time, so it seems unlikely unless the Ducks fall hard.

If I know Niedermayer was willing to re-sign with Vancouver, I would consider it. What if the draft pick was made conditional on the basis of Niedermayer re-signing with Vancouver? I think Niedermayer will be a target of Gillis' if he isn't re-signed by Anaheim anyway.
First rounder if he resigns, second if he doesnt. I think that's a fair deal for both sides. Whether it would be the best out there is Murrays problem, teams like NJ and Boston might put tempting offers on the table too.

FWIW, i like the Canucks and would like them to win it if we are out of the running.

Hah, if you think Pronger is going to get more than that, you will be disappointed. Bergeron is a PPG, do everything type center when he is healthy, sure it's a gamble, but players like him are never available. Wideman is a better skater than beauch and a much better puck distributer, would be a great #2 D-man. Most Boston fans feel he's been even better than Chara this year.

OMG... ok then, based on your logic that Wideman is that amazing... give me Chara instead...

Bergeron's value is rock bottom... His talent was a average 1st liner, great 2nd liner when he was healthy. He's barely worth a late 1st or 2nd rounder right now, maybe even less because of hes playing now. I like Wideman, but hes a dime a dozen and you're overrating him big time. There will be several free agents that I'd rather sign Oduya or Ohlund for the same contract price and it wouldnt cost a thing. The ducks would only trade for potential and Wideman has peaked.

Pronger with another year on his contract = pretty big return if Campbell was a FA the following year.

First rounder if he resigns, second if he doesnt. I think that's a fair deal for both sides. Whether it would be the best out there is Murrays problem, teams like NJ and Boston might put tempting offers on the table too.

FWIW, i like the Canucks and would like them to win it if we are out of the running.

I would consider that. I would make that offer to the Panthers for JayBo first though. Then again, it could very well be the Canucks that are the ones looking to dump players at the deadline.:)

I know Scott isn't having a great year, but it's gonna take more than a 1st.

OMG... ok then, based on your logic that Wideman is that amazing... give me Chara instead...

Bergeron's value is rock bottom... His talent was a average 1st liner, great 2nd liner when he was healthy. He's barely worth a late 1st or 2nd rounder right now, maybe even less because of hes playing now. I like Wideman, but hes a dime a dozen and you're overrating him big time. There will be several free agents that I'd rather sign Oduya or Ohlund for the same contract price and it wouldnt cost a thing. The ducks would only trade for potential and Wideman has peaked.

Pronger with another year on his contract = pretty big return if Campbell was a FA the following year.

Have you ever watched Wideman? Bergeron is a risk, but when healthy he's the best type of player we could hope for in a return and would fill a huge hole in our lineup. Teams don't give up players like Bergeron, the only reason he's even available is because of some ****** luck. If he recovers like Andy Mac did, we'd be set up the middle.

Just curious, what do you think we would get if we traded Pronger?

So my question is, what would it take to land Niedermayer?
Typical deadline rental price for a star/superstar.

1st, 2nd/3rd highest prospect (likely a mid-round 1st round draftee), B+ level AHLer or young roster player.

The 1st, Edler, Raymond mentioned earlier sounds about right.

Bieksa and Hodgson are probably nonstarters as a current contributor and as the top prospect. Unless Schneider's considered the top prospect.

Sorry to chime in, but think something like the Hossa deal...

Good prospect + 1st + 1-2 roster players

Trade Pronger and Niedermayer.

I know Joeman isn't on board but most of us see this team for what it is.

Trading Pronger and Niedermayer would speed up any sort of rebuilding process.

Boston, New York, Vancouver, Philly are four teams I immediately think of that' could be interested in both.

We could head into a deep draft with 3 firsts and would definitely get some talent back ready to contribute now.

We get an additional 6.5 in cap space.

It's just time to face facts, unless there's some miracle trade out there, this team is not a cup contender, I would hate to see this team keep both and either miss or barely make the playoffs, and then see Niedermayer retire or go elsewhere while we get nothing in return.

Pronger's definitely the more marketable player since Niedermayer's at the end of his contract. It'd be a long shot to shop Scott around.

Team would die to have Niedermayer or Pronger for their playoff run. If the Ducks deal either one, expect a great return.

Pronger's definitely the more marketable player since Niedermayer's at the end of his contract. It'd be a long shot to shop Scott around.
Scott would bring back huge return, he still dominates games from time to time, it's just not the same standard we've expected as before, he's also an expiring contract which would have value to some teams.

He should bring back atleast a top prospect and a first, and maybe a decent roster player.

I would love to try and grab Bergeron from Boston and since he seems expendable there is a deal to be made

It would have to be part of a package though because there is a lot of risk trading for Bergeron.

i wish they could get rick nash. move anyone but Getzlaf and Ryan and it'd be a good move.

Edler, Raymond and a 1st for either Pronger or Niedermayer?

If Pronger becomes available, i hope/think teams in the east (Was, Bos, Phi, NJ) are going to offer more than that to try to ensure Pronger doesn't land on the opposing roster. Three of those teams have very rich young talent pools while still being very good.

Sorry to chime in but I just thought I would add that the ducks only have 5 home games and 11 road games left before the trade deadline and have played the most games in the NHL with 49 games.

Columbus on the other hand has 11 home games and only 6 road games until the trade deadline. They are going to be a hard team to beat with all those games at home.

It makes much more sense to trade Pronger now rather then next year if he does indeed get traded. Having said that, I don't see why the ducks need to enter a rebuild.

Have any of you guys been looking at some of the names being tossed around on the Flyers board (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=598156)?

Pronger + 2nd

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JVR, Parent, Jones, 1st, 3rd probably gets the Flyers foot in the door.

Knuble,Jones,JVR,Parent, a 1st in 2009, 3rd in 09 and a conditional 1st in 2010 if the Flyers won the Cup.
if the Flyers traded for Pronger and won the Cup, I would put up with 10 years of mediocroty.

I'm surprised fans are throwing prospects of the caliber of JVR into proposals. For example, few if any Ducks fans were big on moving Bobby Ryan, even for Sundin. I didn't think Ryan was going to fulfill his potential, and I didn't even like moving his potential.

If I were to craft a Pronger to Philly proposal, I'd have made it something like Sbisa (youth centerpiece), Jones/Knuble (salary), Nodl/Ratchuk (I don't know anything about them, but about that draft range, position on Flyers prospect list, and age), 1st, maybe a litle more. Or maybe Parent + an extra 1st/2nd instead of Sbisa. Maybe Giroux, just to see what Perry'd do (kidding).


JVR would be great, I've been high on him for no real reason since the draft. If he goes LW, he'd look great with Getz/Perry (or Ryan). If he continues at C, he'd be good with Ryan/Perry for line 2. If JVR were included, I wouldn't be asking for a whole lot more to balance any bust potential (I might be satisfied with just a 1st and salary filler).

PS yes I know that's quite a bit more than what I mentioned from Vancouver, but that's because Pronger is harder to get from me than Niedermayer because of his extra year.

Edler, Raymond and a 1st for either Pronger or Niedermayer?
Niedermayer maybe, Pronger no because of his extra year. For Pronger, I think Edler becomes Bieksa. Might need to add an extra piece too (B/C prospect or pick) or upgrade Raymond.

Although Raymond to me is just Shannon 2.0. Just my personal thoughts on him. Replace him with a guy of equivalent value and potential in your eyes.

IMO, Anaheim would be low-class to trade Niedermayer or Giguere without asking them where they would like to go. Both those players have given a lot to Anaheim, and Niedermayer has played for Anaheim at a discount for years.

IMO, Anaheim would be low-class to trade Niedermayer or Giguere without asking them where they would like to go. Both those players have given a lot to Anaheim, and Niedermayer has played for Anaheim at a discount for years.

Are you serious about Niedermayer? The guy that pretty much ****ed over this entire franchise. I'll admit, he was awesome in the cup run, but his indecision really hurt this franchise in the long run.

As for trading JS, I agree, that would be low class.

Niedermayer maybe, Pronger no because of his extra year. For Pronger, I think Edler becomes Bieksa. Might need to add an extra piece too (B/C prospect or pick) or upgrade Raymond.

That's understandable. With Pronger's extra year he would hold more value. I'd prefer Niedermayer of the two as I feel Scott is the better fit in Vancouver and I feel that the Canucks would have an excellent chance of getting him to re-sign should he wish to resume his NHL career.

But for a Vancouver-Anaheim deal of this nature to be made this season, these two are going to have to go in opposite directions in the standings very quickly.

I came here as a Caps fan to check on conversation about the availability of Chris Pronger and/or Scott Neidermeyer. I have to say that your expectations of acquiring multiple top half of the roster players from playoff teams are way too high.

Its a rare GM that is willing to gut his playoff team, in the Boston case top seed playoff team, in order to acquire one player.

Boston is not going to trade Bergeron, Wideman and a 1st for anybody. If the Capitals were inquiring would you actually be demanding Semin, Green and a first? It defeats the purpose of making the trade.

I came here as a Caps fan to check on conversation about the availability of Chris Pronger and/or Scott Neidermeyer. I have to say that your expectations of acquiring multiple top half of the roster players from playoff teams are way too high.

Its a rare GM that is willing to gut his playoff team, in the Boston case top seed playoff team, in order to acquire one player.

Boston is not going to trade Bergeron, Wideman and a 1st for anybody. If the Capitals were inquiring would you actually be demanding Semin, Green and a first? It defeats the purpose of making the trade.


Semin > Bergeron, Green > Wideman. Not to mention Bergeron isn't necessary to Boston anymore since the emergence of Kreji. Green is Washingtons best D-man, Wideman is Bostons #2 and a far cry from Chris Pronger. What I'm trying to say is, you're comparison is stupid.

Look at what Campbell got and then factor in the fact that Pronger is clearly superior player and has one year left at reasonable price.

Good young player, a good prospect and a 1st rounder. That's the "list price" for players of Pronger's caliber.

Semin > Bergeron, Green > Wideman. Not to mention Bergeron isn't necessary to Boston anymore since the emergence of Kreji. Green is Washingtons best D-man, Wideman is Bostons #2 and a far cry from Chris Pronger. What I'm trying to say is, you're comparison is stupid.

At this point, I would not trade Green straight up for Niedermayer or Pronger. I am one of Green's biggest detractors, but he is young and already a very dominant player.

Look at what Campbell got and then factor in the fact that Pronger is clearly superior player and has one year left at reasonable price.

Good young player, a good prospect and a 1st rounder. That's the "list price" for players of Pronger's caliber.

This is true, but Campbell was traded in a period where he was practically the only top-4 defenseman available. Pronger will be available at the same time Kubina, Kaberle, Bouwmeester, Phillips, Redden, Kuba, etc. will be available. Some of those players have higher value than Pronger, and others may fit a team's needs while coming in at a lower cost.

Also, while Pronger is a much better all-around player than Campbell, Campbell is the superior offensive player. Many teams last year were looking for some offensive punch from the blueline, and if that is what you wanted, Campbell was the best option. Teams that already have a good defense with physicality and toughness might prefer Campbell to Pronger.

I'd love to land both players but I just don't see how the Canucks could possibly afford the amount of future it would take to land them. Of the two, I think Scott Niedermayer would be the better fit as the Canucks' biggest need on defense is someone who can distribute the puck effectively to the forwards and also QB the PP. I also feel that the Canucks would have a great shot at re-signing him after the season, considering Vancouver was a team he was interested in signing with when he left New Jersey.

So my question is, what would it take to land Niedermayer?

You probably will have to take Robby, also. The are like your Seidin twins (i.e., a packaged deal).

Look at what Campbell got and then factor in the fact that Pronger is clearly superior player and has one year left at reasonable price.

Good young player, a good prospect and a 1st rounder. That's the "list price" for players of Pronger's caliber.

Hmm, that may be hitting it close, but Pronger was acquired for:

A good young player (Lupul), a good prospect (Smid), a first rounder, a second rounder, and a conditional pick. It is years later, Pronger is on the decline, he no longer has a great long-term contract, and yet, his value has dropped so little?

Hmm, that may be hitting it close, but Pronger was acquired for:

A good young player (Lupul), a good prospect (Smid), a first rounder, a second rounder, and a conditional pick. It is years later, Pronger is on the decline, he no longer has a great long-term contract, and yet, his value has dropped so little?

GMs tend to give up alot more at the deadline than they do in the offseason, look at past years deadline deals and compare them to the returns of those traded in the offseason (eg compare Cammalleri and Jokinens returns to the likes of Hossa, Tkachuk, Campbell and Guerins returns).

Pronger was traded just before the free agency period, GMs knew that if they didn't win the Pronger sweepstakes that they could look to fill their teams needs through free agency. At the trade deadline a GM doesn't have the luxury of being able to sign an unrestricted free agent.

You probably will have to take Robby, also. The are like your Seidin twins (i.e., a packaged deal).

That's fine, as long as the asking for Rob isn't too high. He'd be a good fit on the 3rd/4th line.

That's fine, as long as the asking for Rob isn't too high. He'd be a good fit on the 3rd/4th line.

I doubt the asking price would be much more than a mid round pick.

Like I said in the Proger rumor thread, if the season seems lost. Pronger to Boston for Bergeron, Wideman and a 1st in 09. Hell, we can even throw in Marchant to give them a 3rd line PK center if they want. They can have Rob too.

Yeah that deal would never happen from Boston perspective. Bruins don't need another #1, especially when it means giving up their #2. As the season moves on, most don't mind giving up Bergeron but I'd still hate to see him go.

I doubt the Bruins will mess with the team, and wont' give up much more than prospects and their 1st or maybe a guy like Sobotka, if they mess with the team by trading a guy like Wideman that would be insane.

Pronger was traded just before the free agency period, GMs knew that if they didn't win the Pronger sweepstakes that they could look to fill their teams needs through free agency.

Pronger was traded on July 3rd after the free agency period began.

Hmm, that may be hitting it close, but Pronger was acquired for:

A good young player (Lupul), a good prospect (Smid), a first rounder, a second rounder, and a conditional pick. It is years later, Pronger is on the decline, he no longer has a great long-term contract, and yet, his value has dropped so little?
Why would his value drop?

He's still a dominant player that plays 25-30 minutes a night and QB's the PP and PK.

Not to mention the circumstances are different, if a team feels he could put them over thetop then they will pay the price to get him

Pronger was traded on July 3rd after the free agency period began.

Sorry I knew it was either right before or right after the free agent period began.

Either way teams that were looking to acquire Pronger around that time had the option to sign unrestricted free agents if they felt like Edm was asking for too much.

Trade Pronger and Niedermayer.

I know Joeman isn't on board but most of us see this team for what it is.

Trading Pronger and Niedermayer would speed up any sort of rebuilding process.

Boston, New York, Vancouver, Philly are four teams I immediately think of that' could be interested in both.

We could head into a deep draft with 3 firsts and would definitely get some talent back ready to contribute now.

We get an additional 6.5 in cap space.

It's just time to face facts, unless there's some miracle trade out there, this team is not a cup contender, I would hate to see this team keep both and either miss or barely make the playoffs, and then see Niedermayer retire or go elsewhere while we get nothing in return.

If I'm the ducks gm, I'd strongly consider trading both Pronger and Niedermeyer. First of all, I think teams would lineup to take Pronger so, I don't see a problem there. However, with Niedermeyer, I think you're gonna have to package him with his bro Rob in order to make the deal happen which may reduce the return value.

Having said that, even with both Niedermeyers in a trade the ducks could still land Hodgson and probably another prospect or a high pick. I love Hodgson. I have no doubt that this kid will be in the nhl next season.

Yeah that deal would never happen from Boston perspective. Bruins don't need another #1, especially when it means giving up their #2. As the season moves on, most don't mind giving up Bergeron but I'd still hate to see him go.

I doubt the Bruins will mess with the team, and wont' give up much more than prospects and their 1st or maybe a guy like Sobotka, if they mess with the team by trading a guy like Wideman that would be insane.

If the ducks got bergeron wideman and a 1st I would attempt a standing backflip.

If the ducks got bergeron wifemsn and a 1st I would attempt a standing backflip.

Youtube or it didn't happen.

Youtube or it didn't happen.

He won't need to attempt a backflip.