Columbus (21-19-4) at Vancouver (22-19-5)

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Team Comparison:

:cbj |versus | :nucks
44 | Games Played: | 46
46 | Points: | 49
21 | Wins: | 22
19 | Losses: | 19
4 | OT losses: | 5
114 | Goals: | 130
116 | Goals Against: | 124


Team Stat Leaders:

:cbj| versus |:nucks
Rick Nash 17 | Goals: | D. Sedin 22
Rick Nash 22 | Assists: |H.Sedin 34
Rick Nash 39 | Points: | D. Sedin 46
Jared Boll 104 | PIM | SOB 128
Jan Hejda +15 | +/- | D. Sedin +10

Season Series:

Blues lead the series two games to none.

Tue Oct 21, 2008 Canucks @ Blue Jackets 2 - 4 Loss
Mon Dec 1, 2008 Canucks @ Blue Jackets 2 - 3 Loss


Standings:

TEAMS| PL. | G| W| L| OTL| PTS
:nucks| 7 | 46| 22| 19| 5| 49
:cbj| 9 |44| 21| 19| 4| 46

Starting line ups:

Canucks:


Forwards:
Left Wing|Centre|Right Wing
Daniel Sedin| Hank Sedin| Taylor Pyatt
Pavol Demitra| Mats Sundin| Jannik Hansen
Alex Burrows| Ryan Kesler| Steve Bernier
Darcy Hordichuk| Ryan Johnson| Kyle Wellwood

Defencemen:
Left D-man|Right D-man
Mattius Ohlund| Sammi Salo
Willie Mitchell| Kevin Bieksa
Alex Edler| SOB

Goalies:
Roberto Luongo
Jason LaBarbera

Blue Jackets:

Forwards:
Left Wing|Centre|Right Wing
Kristian Huselius | Manny Malhotra| Rick Nash
Fredrik Modin| RJ Umberger| Jakub Voracek
Alendre Picard| Mike Peca| Derek Dorsett
Raffi Torres| Jason Williams| Jared Boll

Defencemen:
Left D-man|Right D-man
Mike Commodore |Jan Hejda
Fedor Tyutin| Marc Methot
Kris Russell| Ole-Kristian Tollefsen

Goalies:
Steve Mason
Wade Dubielewicz

Injuries:

:cbj|Jason Chimera LW, Derick Brassard C, Rostislav Klesla D, Jiri Novotny C, Pascal Leclaire G
:nucks| Rick Rypien C

No idea what to expect for this game. Luongo will probably have a good game but the defense has been so brutal it he might get lit up anyways.

I have said "this is a win" and believed it so many times lately, just to face another loss.

But this time, Lou and Sundin have shaken the rust of themselves, and hopefully has the team talked about what to do. That Nash is injured is bad for those who like to watch good hockey, but I can't say that I feel grief at this moment.

Hello from Columbus.
Nash is 50-50 for this game as of now.

I am looking forward to a good game with some outstanding goal tending on both sides.

Thank you for putting some time into this GDT.

I have no idea what to expect tonight, I'm just hoping they arn't blown out so the 'trade/fire insert player/coach here' circus will die down. And while I'm still confident they'll get their game together they're running out of time given the situation in the standings.

win or lose I just really want to see effort. 3-1 Canucks.

4-0 BJ's,

our luck + Steve Mason = a bad turnout.

not much to say, we need a win in the worst way.

Another one of those must win games for the Canucks. I can only hope that the Canucks show up ready to play in the first period. This team needs to score the first goal in order to build up some confidence.

not much to say, we need a win in the worst way.

yes we do..i just hope they show up as a team tonight.

Luongo shouldn't be as rusty, and usually bounces back after a bad game.

2-1 Canucks.

we need a blow-out win to boost this team's confidence. 6-1 canucks.*

only if we get back to the november team we saw.

Hello Vancouver fans.

Here's the Columbus lines from todays paper in Columbus:

Kristian Huselius - Manny Malhotra - Craig MacDonald
Fredrik Modin - RJ Umberger - Jakub Voracek
Alendre Picard - Mike Peca - Derek Dorsett
Raffi Torres - Jason Williams - Jared Boll

Mike Commodore - Jan Hejda
Fedor Tyutin - Marc Methot
Kris Russell - Ole-Kristian Tollefsen

Steve Mason
Wade Dubielewicz
-----

Notes: Nash is "50-50" to play tonight. Filatov is scratched...I think they are debating sending him back before his 10th game (he has 8 games as a Jacket under his belt).

The Jackets still have the last ranked PP in the league at 10.9 percent. Williams didn't get to do much in his first CBJ game because they only had like 4 PPs, and New Jersey still has a good PK.

Torres, and Tollefsen are both only one game back from injury, and still shaking of rust from month+ long layoffs.

Enjoy the game!

I'll throw this into the GDT.

The Jackets still have the last ranked PP in the league at 10.9 percent.

Well, have *you* come to the right place. We'll cure that right up for ya. :laugh:

5-2 Canucks!

We gotta win this game!

According to the Province, Sami Salo is likely to be back in tonight. Kyle Wellwood draws in and Mason Raymond will sit in the press box. Pyatt will stay on the top line with the Twins.

Expected lineup;

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Pyatt
Demitra - Sundin - Wellwood
Burrows - Kesler - Bernier
Hordichuk - Johnson - Hansen

Ohlund - Salo
Mitchell - Bieksa
Edler - O'Brien

Luongo

~Canucklehead~

Grinning wryly and armed with his acerbic wit, he revelled, as he sometimes does, in needling reporters.

He gets such a kick from the hyperbolic media. His personality comes alive any time someone doubts him. It brings out his best.

“Our sports psychologist is here, just let me know if any of you need to talk to him,” he joked.

The ability to convince people he knows something they don’t comes easy to him. He oozes confidence. Reactionary, he is not.

What an awesome GM.

http://www.theprovince.com/Sports/Good+paper+good/1190088/story.html

According to the Province, Sami Salo is likely to be back in tonight. Kyle Wellwood draws in and Mason Raymond will sit in the press box. Pyatt will stay on the top line with the Twins.

Expected lineup;

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Pyatt
Demitra - Sundin - Wellwood
Burrows - Kesler - Bernier
Hordichuk - Johnson - Hansen

Ohlund - Salo
Mitchell - Bieksa
Edler - O'Brien

Luongo

~Canucklehead~

This is how the lineup should be on a regular basis, subject to the Canucks acquiring a real top 6 forward to send Pyatt to the 4th line in place of Hordy or Hansen depending on the match-up (or, alternatively, the pressbox).

I'd like to see Wellwood with the Sedins a little bit more, but with Demitra and Sundin is miles better than having Raymond, Bernier, Hansen or Pyatt there.

Just as an update, Nash has been taken off IR and should play tonight.

all i ask for is that they get their damn legs going

Hansen and Wellwood are interchangeable

What an awesome GM.

http://www.theprovince.com/Sports/Good+paper+good/1190088/story.html

That is just awesome. After ripping him a lot initially, it seems that Gillis is winning them over.

Just as an update, Nash has been taken off IR and should play tonight.

I have Nash in my pool, so woohoo! So long as the Canucks still win, I hope Nash gets hat trick.

Going to the game, I hope I am a slump buster. Good that Raymond is sitting, it will do him some good in the long run. My only quirk is... WHY THE HECK is Hansen being demoted? He was the ONLY Canuck that was noticable in a good way last game.

I don't see Filatov in the lineup posted. Did he get sent down again? I was looking forward to seeing him play tonight.

According to the Province, Sami Salo is likely to be back in tonight. Kyle Wellwood draws in and Mason Raymond will sit in the press box. Pyatt will stay on the top line with the Twins.

Expected lineup;

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Pyatt
Demitra - Sundin - Wellwood
Burrows - Kesler - Bernier
Hordichuk - Johnson - Hansen

Ohlund - Salo
Mitchell - Bieksa
Edler - O'Brien

Luongo

~Canucklehead~

I can live with that, it is a s good as it gets. If only Pyatt could park his big body at the goalie and stay there, as a poor man's Holmstrom.

I'm actually happier Chimera's not playing as opposed to Nash.

That guy... it seems every time, he ends up biting us somehow.

I'm actually happier Chimera's not playing as opposed to Nash.

That guy... it seems every time, he ends up biting us somehow.

Yeah, but Torres is in the lineup. That ******* is a Canucks Killer.

No prediction tonight. Just play a solid 60mins and I'll be happy.

I don't see Filatov in the lineup posted. Did he get sent down again? I was looking forward to seeing him play tonight.

Filatov is a healthy scratch for tonight's game.

I can live with that, it is a s good as it gets. If only Pyatt could park his big body at the goalie and stay there, as a homeless man's Holmstrom.
Fixed.

I don't see Filatov in the lineup posted. Did he get sent down again? I was looking forward to seeing him play tonight.

They didn't have a line up in the Province, so I just used the one someone posted in the thread.

I am puzzled by the fact that the Province has such a crappy preview. I am a Lions fan, and the Province always has a fantastic two page foldout for the Lions games. I figured given the popularity of the Canucks I thought they would at least have the starting lineups.

I'm going to the game tonight. I dunno if I'm happy to see Nash play live and since I have him in my pool. or pissed cause he'll probably get a couple points...

5-3 Vancouver
Daniel (3), Sundin, Salo
Nash (2), Voracek (if nash isn't playing, then Huselius and Tyutin score his goals)

I can live with that, it is a s good as it gets. If only Pyatt could park his big body at the goalie and stay there, as a poor man's Holmstrom.

Taylor Pyatt? Tomas Holmstrom?

The Canucks absolutely have to come out with a win tonight. Or at least they have to enter the game thinking that.

Don't worry it is the usual CBJ visiting your town. Nothing to worry about. Easy win for you guys. Nothing to look at here. Good Luck.

Revised lines

Kristian Huselius - Manny Malhotra - Rick Nash
Fredrik Modin - RJ Umberger - Jakub Voracek
Alendre Picard - Mike Peca - Derek Dorsett
Raffi Torres - Jason Williams - Jared Boll
---

MacDonald was sent back to Syracuse now that Nash is back in.

Don't worry it is the usual CBJ visiting your town. Nothing to worry about. Easy win for you guys. Nothing to look at here. Good Luck.

Yeah, Columbus plays so terribly agaist us...with the exception of the past two seasons.

Don't worry it is the usual CBJ visiting your town. Nothing to worry about. Easy win for you guys. Nothing to look at here. Good Luck.

Yeah and Canada really sucks at the WJC in exception to the last 5 years...

We will set a new home losing streak record before turning around and winning the division and the cup. AV wins Jack Adams, Luongo wins nothing.

I can live with that, it is a s good as it gets. If only Pyatt could park his big body at the goalie and stay there, as a poor man's Holmstrom.



sorry but switch Hansen and Wellwood Welly is on the 4th line tonight

I like the lines. The second line is makes sense and should be given some time to develop. Pyatt with the Sedins is alright, he doesn't hurt them and they play well no matter who is with them. That third line appears to be permanent for a while which is good. Kind of sucks to have Hansen on the fourth line though, I would switch him and Pyatt depending who is playing better.

Nevermind. Wellwood on the fourth line sucks. If Hansen is getting top six ice time Pyatt should move down since he is an asset in the bottom six, unlike Wellwood.

Raymond is really looking expendable now. It sucks to trade a prospect we developed, but for this season him in the lineup doesn't help us and he has good value.

We should win this one. Mason vs Luongo should be a good battle. Besides Nash they don't have much firepower, lately we aren't much better. It should be a slow boring to watch game, the type we usually win when we have Luongo in net.

sorry but switch Hansen and Wellwood Welly is on the 4th line tonight

Fine, it's finally done! No more changes. This! This is my first GDT!

sorry but switch Hansen and Wellwood Welly is on the 4th line tonight

Of course he is. I mean, why wouldn't you put Pyatt and Hansen on the first two lines and put Wellwood on the 4th where his 14 goals will shine.

AV needs to go. Yesterday.

AV needs to go. Yesterday.

Yesteryear

Sit Pyatt for Grabner!

I'm at the point where I'd rather Wellwood be in the pressbox than on the fourth line. He isn't effective in that role...period.

As for the game, I think the Canucks will have a good one and possibly (hopefully) come out with a win. If Luongo can pick this team up and drag it through the first 20min, I could see this team's confidence growing with every minute. Then again, I thought we'd see a pretty good effort against Phoenix.

Sit Pyatt for Grabner!

Fat chance. According to AV, Pyatt is a 'powerforward'. :huh:

Fat chance. According to AV, Pyatt is a 'powerforward'. :huh:

I raised my eyebrows at that quotation too...exceeded goal-scoring expectations in his first year and is a useful utility/bottom six guy, but he is not an impact player.

~Canucklehead~

I raised my eyebrows at that quotation too...exceeded goal-scoring expectations in his first year and is a useful utility/bottom six guy, but he is not an impact player.

~Canucklehead~

Yeah. I always assumed that a powerforward implied that the player drives hard to the net and then puts the puck in the net. That last part being kind of key. Obviously, not so key if you're AV.

My compliments on the game day thread.

Can Raymond be sent to the Moose without clearing waivers ? I believe he can and if so they should send him down and let him get some confidence back. The guy looks scared stiff out there.


In my dreams I see this as a Canucks win and a season turning point. This team has just too much talent not to make the playoffs and do some damage. It starts tonight.

Of course he is. I mean, why wouldn't you put Pyatt and Hansen on the first two lines and put Wellwood on the 4th where his 14 goals will shine.

AV needs to go. Yesterday.

I'm pretty sure AV is scared to put any highly touted drafted assest on the fourthline. Remember what happened last time he did that with... what's his name.. Daigle or something. :sarcasm:

In my dreams I see this as a Canucks win and a season turning point. This team has just too much talent not to make the playoffs and do some damage. It starts tonight.

See, I ACTUALLY had a dream about this game last night. We were down 1-0 with a minute left to play and they scored an empty netter. yeah....

I hope Sami Salo has the urge to unleash his cannon from the point on the PP, he has been dearly missed.

The Arizona Cardinals should be an inspiration to the Canucks. They're evidence that no team can be terrible forever...then again there are still the Hamilton Ti-Cats, the Cleaveland Browns etc.

Jackets' line-up update...

VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- Blue Jackets captain Rick Nash (knee) and forward Andrew Murray (upper body) will both be in the lineup tonight against the Canucks.

Nash will play with Kristian Huselius and either Manny Malhotra or R.J. Umberger at center. Hitchcock hinted that the two centers might be flopped throughout the game.


My guess is that Murray will go in for Picard on the 3rd line.

http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/

This little snippet sounds interesting...

The team hotel, by the way, is holding a merchandising show called Taboo. We will spare you the details, but needless to say it's for adults only. Defenseman Mike Commodore said the "people watching" outside the downstairs exhibit was first rate.

It's Vancouver. What can we say? There is a pretty big BDSM scene in Vancouver.

I'm not terribly hopeful for tonights game. We generally perform poorly against the Jackets, and we've been playing poorly of late, AND Steve Mason is in net...

5-3 jackets;

Umberger, Malhotra, Voracek and Torres with 2 (one EN)

Daniel, Bieksa, Hordichuk (take that Sam Gagner!)

See, I ACTUALLY had a dream about this game last night. We were down 1-0 with a minute left to play and they scored an empty netter. yeah....

I did too, I dreamed I was Jason LaBarbera and I kept letting in bad goal after bad goal and I couldn't stop. No joke.

I did too, I dreamed I was Jason LaBarbera and I kept letting in bad goal after bad goal and I couldn't stop. No joke.

he has those same dreams :sarcasm:

So looks like the Blue Jackets are staying at the Fairmont Waterfront, very nice. Gotta love when the Taboo show comes around, didn't get to go this time though :(

Oh and tonight's the Canucks 3,000th regular season game according to CDC :handclap: Please make it a win boys!

Absolute must-win; they won't make the playoffs if they lose this game.

http://www.pickuphockey.com/forum/avatars/vancouver_canucks_logo_yellow.jpg

Random thought: I always liked that logo.

Absolute must-win; they won't make the playoffs if they lose this game.
It depends how they lose. Goalies can still steal a game no matter how well you play - and if the Canucks play consistantly most of the time for the balance of this season - they will start winning.

Mason has been pretty solid this season for the Blue Jackets and Luongo probably still needs a few more games to get back up to speed.

It depends how they lose. Goalies can still steal a game no matter how well you play - and if the Canucks play consistantly most of the time for the balance of this season - they will start winning.

Mason has been pretty solid this season for the Blue Jackets and Luongo probably still needs a few more games to get back up to speed.
Agreed, Mason has been lights out this year but as long as the Canucks start playing solid games consistently they will/should be fine. Still a long way to go this season and it's way too early for must wins, but with the way the Western teams are playing it might as well be.

Agreed, Mason has been lights out this year but as long as the Canucks start playing solid games consistently they will/should be fine. Still a long way to go this season and it's way too early for must wins, but with the way the Western teams are playing it might as well be.

I agree with the to early for must win games comment, but we need to start putting some wins together. To many teams close behind us with games in hand.

Not sure what to think about this game. I think we'll win it in the end but we need a solid effort.

2-1 Canucks.

Demitra, Sundin with the GWG.

Nash for Columbus.

Luongo with 32 saves.

Can Raymond be sent to the Moose without clearing waivers ?


he has now reached the games limit....so he has to clear waivers unfortunately.

I really don't know what to expect for this game. I "expected" a good performance last game and we all know what ended up happening. Honest to God, for the first time ever I have no prediction. I'll just put something for the hell of it and hopefully the hockey gods reverse it!

4-2 Jackets

CBJ goals: Nash(2), Voracek, Huselius
VAN goals: H. Sedin, Demitra

I agree with the to early for must win games comment, but we need to start putting some wins together. To many teams close behind us with games in hand.

Baring a complete collapse by the Flames (highly unlikely), while I think the division title is out of the question, there's still a ton of games left

Playoff race is a marathon not a sprint.

Course, maybe I'm too much of an optimist.

Absolute must-win; they won't make the playoffs if they lose this game.

its game 47

Does anyone know where I can watch this online.
http://atdhe.net/ <-- This website is currently having trouble streaming from my computer.

Does anyone know where I can watch this online.
http://atdhe.net/ <-- This website is currently having trouble streaming from my computer.

This forum: http://www.myp2pforum.eu/nhl-icehockey/33843-ice-hockey-today-1-18-streaming-discussion.html

And this site: http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports

My compliments on the game day thread.

Can Raymond be sent to the Moose without clearing waivers ? I believe he can and if so they should send him down and let him get some confidence back. The guy looks scared stiff out there.


In my dreams I see this as a Canucks win and a season turning point. This team has just too much talent not to make the playoffs and do some damage. It starts tonight.

He'd have to clear.

DgU4CrMO9N0

What's sad: Manny Malhotra is centering the top line in Columbus
What's sadder: Columbus will probably beat us

According to the Province, Sami Salo is likely to be back in tonight. Kyle Wellwood draws in and Mason Raymond will sit in the press box. Pyatt will stay on the top line with the Twins.

Expected lineup;

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Pyatt
Demitra - Sundin - Wellwood
Burrows - Kesler - Bernier
Hordichuk - Johnson - Hansen

Ohlund - Salo
Mitchell - Bieksa
Edler - O'Brien

Luongo

~Canucklehead~

That's a ****ing joke!

Screw Ryan Walter and his leadership crap, just show this video and they will get results.

Why does it seem like every ****ing year teams always have games in hand on us?

I hate it.

What's sad is Manny Malhotra is centering the top line for Columbus

What's worse is Taylor Pyatt is on our top line :shakehead

The Arizona Cardinals should be an inspiration to the Canucks. They're evidence that no team can be terrible forever

eagles 25 cardinals 24

He'd have to clear.

I think you can send a guy down to the minors without clearing waivers if it's a "conditioning stint"... I wonder if we can send Raymond down on a "mental conditioning stint" to get his mind back in it. :sarcasm:

Come on Gillis, think outside the box here!

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Wellwood
Demitra - Sundin - Hansen
Burrows - Kesler - Bernier
Hordichuk - Johnson - Pyatt

plz

DgU4CrMO9N0

hahaha. My expectations have been lowered so far for this game that I don't mind if Columbus beats us...as long as they don't "take our independence day".

eagles 25 cardinals 24

last time I checked cardinals 32 eagles 25

last time I checked cardinals 32 eagles 25

they must have scored one of those touchdown thingies

3-1 canucks

Wellwood on the 4th? Pyatt on the 1st?? And you guys wonder why I have a vendetta against AV. One of the biggest friggin' idiots in the world!

Wellwood on the 4th? Pyatt on the 1st?? And you guys wonder why I have a vendetta against AV. One of the biggest friggin' idiots in the world!
huh? According to the "expected lineup" Mr. Canucklehead posted - Wellwood is sloted in the 2nd line not the 4th line. As for Pyatt.....he's a third liner to be sure; but team is short one top six right winger.

last time I checked cardinals 32 eagles 25

"I'm in your head Warner!"

huh? According to the "expected lineup" Mr. Canucklehead posted - Wellwood is sloted in the 2nd line not the 4th line. As for Pyatt.....he's a third liner to be sure; but team is short one top six right winger.

Nope Wellwood is on the 4th line and Hansen is on the 2nd

hahaha. My expectations have been lowered so far for this game that I don't mind if Columbus beats us...as long as they don't "take our independence day".

There should have been a clip of AV saying Pysee is playiing real we for us right now lol

huh? According to the "expected lineup" Mr. Canucklehead posted - Wellwood is sloted in the 2nd line not the 4th line. As for Pyatt.....he's a third liner to be sure; but team is short one top six right winger.

Sedin-Sedin-Wellwood
Demitra-Sundin-Hansen

what's wrong with that? Pyatt doesn't HAVE to be in the top 6. He's there because AV thinks he's a top 6 player when its blatantly obvious he isn't.

Chamois Salo will wipe the floor with the Blue Jackets.

Sedin-Sedin-Wellwood
Demitra-Sundin-Hansen

what's wrong with that? Pyatt doesn't HAVE to be in the top 6. He's there because AV thinks he's a top 6 player when its blatantly obvious he isn't.
meh, it's not like Hansen has been lighting up the scoring either.

meh, it's not like Hansen has been lighting up the scoring either.

But he complimented the Sundin line well. Hansen provides the energy those two veterans need.

For emphasis:

Wellwood has more GOALS than Pyatt has POINTS

Vigneault, you are a ****ing moron.

For emphasis:

Wellwood has more GOALS than Pyatt has POINTS

Vigneault, you are a ****ing moron.

Wellwood's even strength icetime needs to be limited.

He is a liability defensively and can not win puck battles. I have never seen Wellwood win a puck battle.

It's not about Wellwood vs. Pyatt - it's Vigneault using each player to their strengths.

That is such a weak argument. Even excluding +/-, or Luongo in net, or that the twins are fairly strong defensively, or that AV never throws the twins against the top lines, who gives a flying **** the marginal difference between "defensivenessicty" of two players when one is so overwhelmingly the better option to create OFFENSE which is the point of that ****ing line.

Vigneault needs to be ****canned for these braindead decisions. I'm almost wishin the team gets blown out so Gillis is forced to do something.

Wellwood has two points in the last 13 games. When he's not producing offensively, he has nothing to offer to the team, unlike Pyatt. I'm not advocating that Pyatt should be on the first line, but Wellwood has not done jack in a while. He deserved to be scratched, and hopefully it'll yield good results.

Wellwood's even strength icetime needs to be limited.

He is a liability defensively and can not win puck battles. I have never seen Wellwood win a puck battle.

It's not about Wellwood vs. Pyatt - it's Vigneault using each player to their strengths.

No he's not. That's just a stereotype that doesn't have any statistical backing in it whatsoever. At least for this season.

Wellwood, Pyatt, Hansen....personally I'd like proven top six right wingers but priority-wise, I'd rather our "team defense" to get better first. It's like choosing between the lesser of three evils.

Wellwood, Pyatt, Hansen....personally I'd like proven top six right wingers but priority-wise, I'd rather our "team defense" to get better first. It's like choosing between the lesser of three evils.

Wellwood, Hansen, Pyatt...in that order. Actually I'd rather see Bernier in than Pyatt.

The man made of glass will not start tonight.

lose again...

That is such a weak argument. Even excluding +/-, or Luongo in net, or that the twins are fairly strong defensively, or that AV never throws the twins against the top lines, who gives a flying **** the marginal difference between "defensivenessicty" of two players when one is so overwhelmingly the better option to create OFFENSE which is the point of that ****ing line.

You seem angry.

Wellwood hasn't been creating offense. Almost all of his production came in the first 20 or so games.

No he's not. That's just a stereotype that doesn't have any statistical backing in it whatsoever. At least for this season.

There are generally truths behind most stereotypes.

He's weak. He can't win puck battles. His positioning is good, yeah, but what good is his positioning when players barge right through/right past him?

edit:
Just an aside that not everything can be proven statistically. More often than not, with hockey, you have to be able to judge a player based on his actual gameplay.

There are generally truths behind most stereotypes.

He's weak. He can't win puck battles. His positioning is good, yeah, but what good is his positioning when players barge right through/right past him?

edit:
Just an aside that not everything can be proven statistically. More often than not, with hockey, you have to be able to judge a player based on his actual gameplay.

He's not a defensive specialist at all. He's an offensive player and our 2nd leading goal scorer. He should be put in an opportunity to succeed offensively, rather than toiling on the 4th line.

He isn't a liability defensively, but he's not the greatest defensively either.

Home cooking hasn't been too tasty this year. I think the post break trip will do them good. Lets hope we can get a split from this week.

You seem angry.

Wellwood hasn't been creating offense. Almost all of his production came in the first 20 or so games.

He's also spent a ton of time the past dozen or so games on the fourth line. Other than that he had two games with Sundin during his first two games when he was still finding his legs then a game and half with the Sedins where I thought the line created chances but didn't finish.

The thing with Pyatt is he's been even more ineffective offensively all season aside from about a five game stretch after Luongo went down and he hasn't shown anything different since coming back from injury. He's a good player within his limitations but I'd rather have the guy who's had success offensively over the player who hasn't done a thing.

He's not a defensive specialist at all. He's an offensive player and our 2nd leading goal scorer. He should be put in an opportunity to succeed offensively, rather than toiling on the 4th line.

He is frequently put in an opportunity to succeed offensively. It's called the powerplay - he's on it.

He plays fourth-line minutes even strength because of his defensive liabilities and relative uselessness at even strength.

He has zero intangibles. When he's not scoring, he has no function on a team.

He isn't a liability defensively, but he's not the greatest defensively either.

I still contend that he is.

I think we're doing the right thing with Wellwood. He's magic on the powerplay - his icetime should be focused mainly on that portion of the game. He should be treated as a powerplay specialist.

5pm start time?

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2594/rage1wv6.jpg

He's also spent a ton of time the past dozen or so games on the fourth line.

He's been on the powerplay as often as ever and he's not doing much there anymore.

The thing with Pyatt is he's been even more ineffective offensively all season aside from about a five game stretch after Luongo went down and he hasn't shown anything different since coming back from injury. He's a good player within his limitations but I'd rather have the guy who's had success offensively over the player who hasn't done a thing.

At this point I don't think we can regard Wellwood as offensively successful. He produced early in the season, but he's tailed off in a big way. Vigneault has to pay respect to recent play when he's concocting his lines and dishing out icetime. He can't just look at the first 20 games and slot Wellwood into the roster as though he's performing at that same level.

Pyatt goes through long stretches with no production, but at least we can say that he is never a liability when he's on the ice. He's a responsible player and he plays a safe game.

And when your team is in the depths of the worst losing streak of their season, you have to start paying attention to what your team's liabilities are and then you have to work to eliminate them.

He is frequently put in an opportunity to succeed offensively. It's called the powerplay - he's on it.

He's probably the last person responsible for the lack of PP success. Vigneault has always been adamant that he's ok with players not getting results if they are creating chances, but the Sedin unit was doing exactly that but he was taken off it. If he didn't get all his beauties at the beginning of the year and instead spread them out over the season it wouldn't even be a question right now.


He has zero intangibles. When he's not scoring, he has no function on a team.

That's fine, but the Sedin line has no function if it's not scoring either and I think Pyatt hurts the chances of them scoring much more than Wellwood does.

If he didn't get all his beauties at the beginning of the year and instead spread them out over the season it wouldn't even be a question right now.

Oh, I agree completely - but that scenario does kinda change everything. Wellwood's decreased role is in respect to his decreased effectiveness. If he had been producing at a steady, consistent pace all year, he'd be getting more icetime with better linemates. But that's not the case. His play has been poor lately and so Vigneault has had to make some changes.

That's fine, but the Sedin line has no function if it's not scoring either and I think Pyatt hurts the chances of them scoring much more than Wellwood does.

I agree, but I'm not worried - Pyatt won't stay on that line for the whole game.

Probably wont stay on that line for the whole first period.

lets just put Wellwood back with Sundin and see what we get.....and hopefully it'll end this dispute now.

Anyways, game starting soon.....come on Nucks....get the funk out of ya.

And it begins..

enter frustration

He is frequently put in an opportunity to succeed offensively. It's called the powerplay - he's on it.

He plays fourth-line minutes even strength because of his defensive liabilities and relative uselessness at even strength.

He has zero intangibles. When he's not scoring, he has no function on a team.



He's not put in an opportunity to succeed offensively 5 on 5. He creates chances at even strength, but he's not going to put up points playing with offensive jauggernauts Ryan Johnson and Darcy Hordichuk. :shakehead

He's not a defensive liability. He's not spectacular defensively, but he backchecks, he's got good positioning, and doesn't turn the puck over in his own zone. He's stable. He should be on a scoring line where the team can take advantage of his strengths, rather than wasting him on the 4th line, and having Pyatt bring down whichever scoring line he's on due to his lousy offensive ability.

get the funk out of ya.

vj2dVUgI1mU

lets just put Wellwood back with Sundin and see what we get.....and hopefully it'll end this dispute now.

Anyways, game starting soon.....come on Nucks....get the funk out of ya.

Actually I prefer Wellwood with the Sedins.

Oh, I agree completely - but that scenario does kinda change everything. Wellwood's decreased role is in respect to his decreased effectiveness. If he had been producing at a steady, consistent pace all year, he'd be getting more icetime with better linemates. But that's not the case. His play has been poor lately and so Vigneault has had to make some changes.

My point was that he was still getting his chances on the PP. It's just that earlier in the year he was burying every single one (which led to his insane SH%). I don't think anything really changed except less luck at converting those chances. If they go in more evenly, we aren't talking about Wellwood's lack of production. But because they were clumped together, the good early and the bad lately, his play on the PP is getting criticized.

I agree, but I'm not worried - Pyatt won't stay on that line for the whole game.

Yeah. It's just frustrating because I don't agree with the idea that given the choice between two players that aren't producing the one who is more defensively responsible, etc. should get the job on the first line. It makes more sense to me to have the player who is more likely to contribute offensively given the opportunity. If Wellwood was dogging it like Demitra had been recently, it's a bit of a different story, but I don't think Wellwood's been snake bitten from lack of effort.

And it begins..

not really.

He's not put in an opportunity to succeed offensively 5 on 5.

Like I've said a few times before, this is because he's a liability 5 on 5. This is something we don't agree on.

not really.

I will now post exactly like KP in an attempt to raise my post count.

Good GDT= We win.

BMac & Rintoul... They've got BMac on a chair because Rintoul is so damn short. I love it.

Give me a ****ing break. He has 3 points in his last 19 games, and he's had plenty opportunity to snap out of his funk over that stretch.

And it begins..

Give me a ****ing break. He has 3 points in his last 19 games, and he's had plenty opportunity to snap out of his funk over that stretch.

Ya man

And it begins..
not really.

BMac & Rintoul... They've got BMac on a chair because Rintoul is so damn short. I love it.

I actually miss the Moj because of "LAYING DOWN THE HAMMER"

I miss those youtube videos

owww the new mask is on...look out

What? Luongo wearing a different mask? Can someone tell me something about this?

LOL What a start...I was expecting Huselius to score too.

hahaha wow.

Haha. We are so pathetic. Despite are best efforts, this is a tie game.

Give me a ****ing break. He has 3 points in his last 19 games, and he's had plenty opportunity to snap out of his funk over that stretch.

0 points in his last 12 games, and he's on our top line :shakehead

not really.

http://www.non-refundable.com/yh/sisko_facepalm.gif

What? Luongo wearing a different mask? Can someone tell me something about this?

Wow a new mask, there's so much to learn, can someone let me know too?

My point was that he was still getting his chances on the PP. It's just that earlier in the year he was burying every single one (which led to his insane SH%). I don't think anything really changed except less luck at converting those chances. If they go in more evenly, we aren't talking about Wellwood's lack of production. But because they were clumped together, the good early and the bad lately, his play on the PP is getting criticized.

I have a biting feeling that the reason Wellwood lost his effectiveness is because there's a book on him now - defensemen know his tendencies and now they can defend against him.

Anyways, who's to say that Wellwood is just snakebitten now? Maybe he was just incredibly lucky earlier in the year, and this is the Wellwood that we should expect in the future.

It's not really something we'll know for sure until the end of the season but you have to be able to consider both possibilities.

My only point here is that Wellwood's limited effectiveness in recent games should be met with limited icetime. If he has the talent, he'll earn his way back onto the top lines eventually.

I have a feeling Sundin will score a goal in this game!

Woot!

I love the simplicity of Luongo's mask, I hope he keeps it all year.

Are you kidding me? Sundin sucks, he cant score on a 2on1

Are you kidding me? Sundin sucks, he cant score on a 2on1

I just like the fact that they at least looked good.

What? Luongo wearing a different mask? Can someone tell me something about this?it's the bone vintage mask he wore in practice before he got injured.

They are skating. I like this. There is some effort present thus far.

Canucks going on the powerplay!

I just like the fact that they at least looked good.
Acting like KP, dont quote me :rolly:

Fight Fight Fight Fight!

Kesler draws penalties better than anyone.

That's a cool fact - Henrik's 300th straight game as our reigning ironman.

I wonder who the NHL ironman is?

Kesler draws penalties better than anyone.

That's a cool fact - Henrik's 300th straight game as our reigning ironman.

I wonder who the NHL ironman is?

Morriso... oh wait.

You're PK sucking? Need some help raising that percentage?

Call 1-800-CANUCKS ... We can help!

Damn, hate the post.

Pyatt!

lol

pie hat.

Pyatt is so useless. He'll never score on that top line.

Holy Pyatt!!

So....Pyatt scores eh?

It's Pyatt.

okay i was wrong. GJ AV YOUZ A GOD AGAIN.

Pyatt scores. The world explodes.

Suck on that AV haters!!

That couldn't of just happened, because Pyatt is a useless plug that should be scratched. Right?

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL

mother ****ers

ole ole ole

canucks with dominant looking offense???

First point in 12 games.

WaHOOOOOOOOO, Guess Pyatt was reading Pausers posts:sarcasm:

Pyatt in our top six.

:shakehead:shakehead:shakehead:shakehead:shakehead :shakehead:shakehead:shakehead:shakehead:shakehead :shakehead:shakehead

O wait....

NICer pysie obrien had two chances.

Taylor Pyatt scores!

That couldn't of just happened, because Pyatt is a useless plug that should be scratched. Right?

1 point in 12 games. Yeah you're right, that's a good thing :)

If one of our many legit top-6 forwards that sit so Taylor Pylon can play with the Sedins was playing there he would've scored two goals on that play. :sarcasm:

Mats didn't eat his chunky soup today...we're in trouble :shakehead

That is why Pyatt plays with the Sedins. He can do nothing all night but sit in front of the net and it doesn't hurt the line. Wellwood/ Demitra are useless on that line since they never get the puck.

what just happened? there is a '1' next to our name and a '0' next to Columbus. Must be a mistake.

Wow, Pyatt gets one goal and everyone loves him. It was a great play so applauds to him but it doesn't mean I'm gonna be like "OMG I was so wrong about Pyatt! 20 goal season for him!!".

Oh ****, all that blood on the ice...

edit: That was Ohlund :(

If one of our many legit top-6 forwards that sit so Taylor Pylon can play with the Sedins was playing there he would've scored two goals on that play. :sarcasm:

What I like about that whole thing is that whole play started with Pyatt protecting the puck off the boards and using (brace yourselves) his size.

That goal doesn't happen if we had Raymond or Wellwood out there. Not to disrespect either of them, but that whole series of events started thanks to Pyatt and what he does bring.

1 point in 12 games. Yeah you're right, that's a good thing :)

You cant be using that as an example to back up your point when this is the first time in at least 12 games that he's played on that line.

EDIT: And i'm not saying Pyatt is all of a sudden awesome. Just that, saying "1 point in 12 games" doesn't help your case here.

1 point in 12 games. Yeah you're right, that's a good thing :)

Small sample sizes are awesome.

He's coming off a foot injury. His skating will suffer for a little bit. You have to be patient.

I'm not sure why I'm trying to rationalize, though, you've clearly got a premeditated bias against Pyatt and have no interest in objective discussion.

Wow, Pyatt gets one goal and everyone loves him. It was a great play so applauds to him but it doesn't mean I'm gonna be like "OMG I was so wrong about Pyatt! 20 goal season for him!!".

He's not the useless plug his detractors make him out to be.

Why do people who relentlessly hate on a player not understand that people who defend the object of their derision aren't in love with them and think they're the second coming of Mike Bossy? Oi.

so he had 0 points in the 9 games before the injury.

1 point in 12 games. Yeah you're right, that's a good thing :)

Any idiot can make moves and draw conclusions strictly based on past performance, but past performances do not always indicate future ones. Smart minds don't make all their moves solely based on past performances.

Anybody noticing how deep in the net Luongo is?

luuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Well, Luongo's back.

edit:

Sorry for jinxing it, guys. :(

LuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

:(

Only the Pauser would be unhappy with the Canucks having a lead scoring a goal.

Annnd I'd have to go and open my yapper. 1-1 now.

*********

oh wow.

What a goal....

1-1

the d isnt yet.

Bad defensive coverage by the Canucks.

Okay, so let's just forget all the sucking Pyatt did this year and blindly think that he's going to be good because he's big.

Fight Fight Fight!

lol Kesler...

Kesler wimped out.

A lot of crazyness on that rush.


Kesler vs Umberger. Awesome.

Good win for Kesler

1-1.

I'm glad they scored. It will at least stop us from perhaps going up 2-0 into the break and becoming complacent and letting them back into the game. At least now the team should be forced into playing a tough strong game.

It looked to me like the D backed in too much on that one and either Daniel or SOB blew his assignment.

Okay, can someone please explain to me where the animosity between Ratboy and Chuckles originated?

Okay, so let's just forget all the sucking Pyatt did this year and blindly think that he's going to be good because he's big.

Lets also forget about how he was the Canucks best forward for about a month early last season. Your memory is conveniently short.

Okay, so let's just forget all the sucking Pyatt did this year and blindly think that he's going to be good because he's big.

You are arguing against a point that nobody is making.

Just out of curiousity, is Manny Malhotra East Indian? Lol.

1-1.

A bit late, eh bud?

Man...shades of the coyotes goal.

Okay, so let's just forget all the sucking Pyatt did this year and blindly think that he's going to be good because he's big.

:facepalm:

No one is saying that he's "going to be good"... We're happy because he scored, THAT'S ALL.

Sigh, what the Sedins giveth, the Sedins take away. Good backchecking boys. Don't actually take anyone, just swat wildly at the puck.

Just out of curiousity, is Manny Malhotra East Indian? Lol.

LOL, That's what I'm thinking about right now, is he?

Anyone?

Sigh, too much looking around and not enough positional play, can't blame Lui on that one. He made a great save earlier.

Jesus, why does Mitchell feel the urge to consistantly pass the puck back in his zone, forward movement, christ.

Sundin needed to move up alot closer on that two on one, he needs to step it up.

Good win for Kesler

I dont think anyone really won there.

Okay, can someone please explain to me where the animosity between Ratboy and Chuckles originated?

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=1021133


OUCH!!!!! Ohlund has to be out for the rest of the season.

"You know, Coor's Light tastes like watered-down dog piss, but it has a label that tells me when it's cold, so I'm picking up a case."

Okay, can someone please explain to me where the animosity between Ratboy and Chuckles originated?

They played together in Ohio state and I believe that Kesler criticized Umberger for not signing with the Canucks.

Just out of curiousity, is Manny Malhotra East Indian? Lol.

I think he's half

:facepalm:

No one is saying that he's "going to be good"... We're happy because he scored, THAT'S ALL.

Didn't I just say that?

Okay, can someone please explain to me where the animosity between Ratboy and Chuckles originated?

Back when Umberger and Kesler were prospects, Burke was negotiating their entry-level contracts.

Kesler got $722k, Umberger was offered less. Umberger felt he was the better player and demanded more. This led to a famous squabble between Burke and Umberger (just ask Wetcoaster) and as a result Umberger had to be traded.

I'm not sure if that's the original reason why they hate each other so much, but that has to be a source of some of the animosity.

Holy ****! Did the Sedins really just take a shot off the rush?

"You know, Coor's Light tastes like watered-down dog piss, but it has a label that tells me when it's cold, so I'm picking up a case."

:laugh:

The funny part of that is that the ad insinuates that the people who come up with marketing for Coor's light are idiots, when in fact they ARE idiots because the marketing IS stupid.

That was a pretty ungood shift from Johnson.

Okay, so let's just forget all the sucking Pyatt did this year and blindly think that he's going to be good because he's big.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2003/jokerclapbq7.gif

That fourth line always gets hemmed in their own zone.

I'm glad they scored. It will at least stop us from perhaps going up 2-0 into the break and becoming complacent and letting them back into the game. At least now the team should be forced into playing a tough strong game.

Umm....

:help:

I think he's half

Oh I see, lol.

You are arguing against a point that nobody is making.

No I'm not. Someone said we can't use past performance. Well....

"You know, Coor's Light tastes like watered-down dog piss, but it has a label that tells me when it's cold, so I'm picking up a case."

But, it's the coldest tasting beer!

:laugh:

The funny part of that is that the ad insinuates that the people who come up with marketing for Coor's light are idiots, when in fact they ARE idiots because the marketing IS stupid.

Beer doesn't need marketing. I'm willing to bet that in a recession, that the stock of a beer company would be a good buy. It has an inelastic demand. Throw a hot girl in a commercial, you have an instant viral hit.

Umm....

:help:

"Here is SOB talking to the Columbian bench" :laugh:

No I'm not. Someone said we can't use past performance. Well....

I guess I missed the part where he said that Pyatt is going to be really good just because he's big.

O'Brien is awesome. He takes alot of penalties, but I'm happy that he's on this team. Not affraid of anyone. We need that.

What happened to Ohlund?

GOD DAMNIT. Just when adthe works perfect for me i accidently click pause now it lags ever 2 seconds. Hate life.

What happened to Ohlund?

Mauled by a bear

Great hit by Davison. He's so much more effective than Nycholat. I don't even why we play that guy.

No I'm not. Someone said we can't use past performance. Well....

Your response had nothing to do with that.

You said that posters "blindly think that he's going to be good because he's big" ... No one mentioned that.

You WERE arguing against a point no one was making.

What happened to Ohlund?

The Spanish Inquisition.

:laugh:

The funny part of that is that the ad insinuates that the people who come up with marketing for Coor's light are idiots, when in fact they ARE idiots because the marketing IS stupid.

Coor's Light is the Celine Dion of beer. Lots of product sold, but ultimately, a really low quality product.

Great hit by Davison. He's so much more effective than Nycholat. I don't even why we play that guy.

Nycholat's a +3
Davison -2

davison is a sniper, nycholat was traded for ryan shannon

Coor's Light is the Celine Dion of beer. Lots of product sold, but ultimately, a really low quality product.

Molson Canadian is worse.

The Spanish Inquisition.

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/31/Spinquisition.jpg

I guess I missed the part where he said that Pyatt is going to be really good just because he's big.

I think he was passive aggressively responding to my post, as I've been the only one to talk about his size in this thread.

Somehow pointing out one of the strengths of one of our players now equates to thinking a player is 'really good because he's big.'

Ya, I dunno.

Ruttu move by Burrows, pushing Nash away from his own bench, into the Canuck one :)

Tommy was just talking about Hitchcock being fat and AV being in great shape. Was that necessary?

What happened to Ohlund?

Puck hit him in the shin and he started to bleed. Haven't been updated since.

Ruttu move by Burrows, pushing Nash away from his own bench, into the Canuck one :)

Except Burrows isn't a dirty little ***** and he'll actually fight.

Nycholat's a +3
Davison -2

Thanks, Google jockey.

No Call????

Mitchell has to make the hit on Nash there.