Who Sits? (For Shanny)

ok, i thought someone would have already made one O' these Mo ****as but i guess not. so the Million Dollar Question.......Who is sitting when Shanny comes?


I say Rupp, unfortunetly, atleast at first. I think rupp and pando may be switching depending on the amount of goons we play that night

Johnny Madden... Since he's getting traded for a D-man. :sarcasm:

who SHOULD sit is pando

who WILL sit is probably rupp, at least at this point with how the roster is assembled

I Really Like The Way Rupper is Playing Lately, and i think any sane Devils Fan would want Pando Sitting, but i just dont think he'll be the one. Sadly, Rupp is most Likely to Sit Out when Shanny starts until Lou Makes a Trade.

Pando

It is whoever isn't performing in the next few games.

I think of Shannahan as the threat the coach now has over the guys. If anyone doesn't shape up, they are sitting.

The better question is who is coming out of the lineup. We obviously now have an extra guy.

My guess is Brookbank is going to Lowell unless Lou makes a trade in the next few days.

It is whoever isn't performing in the next few games.

I think of Shannahan as the threat the coach now has over the guys. If anyone doesn't shape up, they are sitting.
Ok Then lets recall the game in Montreal that Rupp sat out in favor of PL3, i thought he played well in his previous few games, and Pando, well, he has sucked the entire season. So i dont believe that.

Ok Then lets recall the game in Montreal that Rupp sat out in favor of PL3, i thought he played well in his previous few games, and Pando, well, he has sucked the entire season. So i dont believe that.

thats because rupp wasnt doing his job as a fighter and a hitter

thats because rupp wasnt doing his job as a fighter and a hitter

Exactly, PL3 was creating energy by hard hits and dropping the gloves. Rupp was not forechecking aggressively, and backed off on fighting at that point. Now he's doing all that stuff and I don't think Rupp will come out. I believe it will be either be Clarkson or Pandolfo.

A good indication is Pandolfo getting pulled away from Madden into a diff line.

theres absolutely no chance clarkson sits

theres absolutely no chance clarkson sits

i know, i just thought i would throw him in there

I went with Pando because, for some silly reason, I haven't lost all faith that a shot in the arm (SITTING!) may actually rejuvenate something with Mr. Pando. It hurts me waaay too much to see him out there right now for me to consider myself "normal".

Watching Pandolfo chase players around has become painful. He has always had limited skills but now he seems to be a step slower. He's still an OK penalty killer but we have others who can take that roll. It's time to unload Pando and his 2.5 mill cap hit eventhough I doubt anyone would trade for him at this point.

Watching Pandolfo chase players around has become painful. He has always had limited skills but now he seems to be a step slower. He's still an OK penalty killer but we have others who can take that roll. It's time to unload Pando and his 2.5 mill cap hit eventhough I doubt anyone would trade for him at this point.

ACTIVE ROSTER
PLAYER|STATUS|SALARY|SIGNED THROUGH|NOTES
Forwards|
Patrik Elias|Signed|6,000,000|2012-2013|NMC|
Brian Rolston|Signed|5,062,500|2011-2012|
Brian Gionta|Signed|4,000,000|2008-2009|
Dainius Zubrus|Signed|3,400,000|2012-2013|
Zach Parise|Signed|3,125,000|2010-2011|
John Madden|Signed|2,938,540|2008-2009|
Jamie Langenbrunner|Signed|2,800,000|2010-2011|Limited NTC|
Jay Pandolfo|Signed|2,500,000|2010-2011|NTC|
Bobby Holik|Signed|2,500,000|2008-2009|
Travis Zajac|Signed|984,200|2008-2009|
David Clarkson|Signed|837,500|2009-2010|
Mike Rupp|Signed|500,000|2008-2009|
|
Defensemen|
Paul Martin|Signed|3,833,333|2009-2010|
Colin White|Signed|3,000,000|2011-2012|NTC|
Bryce Salvador|Signed|2,900,000|2011-2012|
Mike Mottau|Signed|762,500|2009-2010|
Andy Greene|Signed|600,000|2008-2009|
Johnny Oduya|Signed|600,000|2008-2009|
Sheldon Brookbank|Signed|500,000|2009-2010|
|
Goaltenders|
Martin Brodeur|Signed| 5,200,000|2011-2012|NTC|
Kevin Weekes|Signed| 687,500|2008-2009|



:cry:

Weekes.

We all know Pandolfo won't be benched, so I am going with the guy Sutter has already benched this year.

That graphic of all the NTC clause makes me cry. The three who I would gladly trade to get rid of, all have NTC (Pando, White, and Langenbrunner)

Giving a player an NTC is like saying: if you want to play like ****, there's really nothing we can do about it.

Definitely rupp.

should be pandolfo though

Giving a player an NTC is like saying: if you want to play like ****, there's really nothing we can do about it.

or its like saying, "if you want to play like ****, you can do it in the minors or waive your ****ing NTC"

or its like saying, "if you want to play like ****, you can do it in the minors or waive your ****ing NTC"

and "don't worry though, you'll still be a millionaire."

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=593525

It will be Rupp. It should be Pandolfo, though.

It will be Rupp most likely. Pandolfo should be the guy, but I don't think that will really happen.

Pando has an NTC, but that doesn't mean he absolutely can't be traded. Players waive them pretty often in trades. Even Kaberle who has one recently said "Obviously when the GM is going to tell you he doesn't want you here any more, you don't want to play for a team if someone doesn't want you any more. That's a different story." I would think that would be the general opinion of most with a NTC.

Who knows what Pando would do, or if Lou would even want to go that route, but the fact that he has a NTC I don't think necessarily automatically excludes him from trade talk.

And I agree that Rupp will probably sit even though Pando deserves to.

I'm strategically choosing not to answer, because I believe another trade will be made

Pando has an NTC, but that doesn't mean he absolutely can't be traded. Players waive them pretty often in trades. Even Kaberle who has one recently said "Obviously when the GM is going to tell you he doesn't want you here any more, you don't want to play for a team if someone doesn't want you any more. That's a different story." I would think that would be the general opinion of most with a NTC.

Who knows what Pando would do, or if Lou would even want to go that route, but the fact that he has a NTC I don't think necessarily automatically excludes him from trade talk.

And I agree that Rupp will probably sit even though Pando deserves to.

Yeah for some reason I never thought about it that way, but Rolston said something to that extent this off-season when he signed his deal as well.

I want Pando to sit but Sutter will choose Rupp.

Pando hasn't sat out a game all season. Even though we see him unfit for our new style of play, Sutter seems to feel he still has some purpose.
I'm strategically choosing not to answer, because I believe another trade will be made
In the next few days?

The rotation in "who will sit" will depend on who's 1/2 assin' it at that time. Expect a rotation of Pando, Madden, Rupp, etc. Brookbank back to Lowell.

When Marty comes back, expect Clemmer to shipped back to Toronto along Madden, Bergfors & Greene for Kaberle. (A wild guess, but something along those lines with a goal scoring D-Man)

Madden is done here. (Something I thought I would never say here. My how things have changed in Devils Land)

who SHOULD sit is pando

who WILL sit is probably rupp, at least at this point with how the roster is assembled

i hope you are wrong. rupp deserves to stay in lineup. he brings more offensively, as much defensively, way more physically.

shanahan will fill any penalty killing void with pando out of lineup. pando has been a great servant for this team for a long time, but i think his time as a garunteed line up spot is over. fully healthy he seems to be the odd man out at this point

The rotation in "who will sit" will depend on who's 1/2 assin' it at that time. Expect a rotation of Pando, Madden, Rupp, etc. Brookbank back to Lowell.

When Marty comes back, expect Clemmer to shipped back to Toronto along Madden, Bergfors & Greene for Kaberle. (A wild guess, but something along those lines with a goal scoring D-Man)

Madden is done here. (Something I thought I would never say here. My how things have changed in Devils Land)

good point, i never thought of clemmenson as trade bait but that certainly seems the case now. he is a viable asset. i would make the above trade in a heartbeat, sounds good and everybody gets something.

Question,

when is Shannahan expected to suit up for the ice?

Question,

when is Shannahan expected to suit up for the ice?

Your guess is as good as ours...and rumor is he'll be wearing #18.

who SHOULD sit is pando

who WILL sit is probably rupp, at least at this point with how the roster is assembled

yep, pretty much this.

If it's Rupp, I'll be sad. It should be Pandolfo, no question.

and "don't worry though, you'll still be a millionaire."

haha pretty much

Sit pando

Gionta out the door.

why the gionta hate? teh guy has the highest PPG (if my math is correct) from a rw in teh atlantic. he has been very good

why the gionta hate? teh guy has the highest PPG (if my math is correct) from a rw in teh atlantic. he has been very good

How many are goals versus garbage secondary assists? Also, he's due a large contract in the offseason and one of the tradeable assets on the team.

Rupp, Pando is better then him offensively and defensively its to much of a joke to even compare them. Rupp is good with fights, but we have clarkson for that.

Sorry Rupp, unless someone gets injured which seems bound to happen.

How many are goals versus garbage secondary assists? Also, he's due a large contract in the offseason and one of the tradeable assets on the team.

thats his game, getting garbage goals. i doubt he will get a large contract in the offseason. he got paid last time. i dont think he will get more than waht he is getting right now

Anyone that said Rupp should sit instead of Pandolfo needs to have their head examined or has not been watching games.

The fact that Rupp is probably going to sit is one thing, but there's no reason that Pandolfo should be excused. He's been awful.

thats his game, getting garbage goals. i doubt he will get a large contract in the offseason. he got paid last time. i dont think he will get more than waht he is getting right now

he's got 10 goals and a slew of secondary assists. He will get a contract from a team out there and will not sign for less here. If that were the case, he would sign any day now.

Anyone that said Rupp should sit instead of Pandolfo needs to have their head examined or has not been watching games.

The fact that Rupp is probably going to sit is one thing, but there's no reason that Pandolfo should be excused. He's been awful.

Rammish!

But if Lou explained to him that they needed his 2.5 off the cap and said he could make the same money playing Lowell or in Toronto for the Leafs, I think Jay would waive his NTC. Who wants to finish their career in the AHL?

he's got 10 goals and a slew of secondary assists. He will get a contract from a team out there and will not sign for less here. If that were the case, he would sign any day now.

well its pretty clear he is trade bait, but i would be upset if he got traded and we didnt get a number 1 dman in return

But if Lou explained to him that they needed his 2.5 off the cap and said he could make the same money playing Lowell or in Toronto for the Leafs, I think Jay would waive his NTC. Who wants to finish their career in the AHL?

alexander mogilny

well its pretty clear he is trade bait, but i would be upset if he got traded and we didnt get a number 1 dman in return



alexander mogilny

I don't think Alex wanted to be their though. He had a bad hip and the Devils needed him off the books so they buried him in the minors. Given a preference of the NHL or the AHL I think Alex would've chose the NHL.

But if Lou explained to him that they needed his 2.5 off the cap and said he could make the same money playing Lowell or in Toronto for the Leafs, I think Jay would waive his NTC. Who wants to finish their career in the AHL?

He probably would if presented with that. The only thing that comes to mind is that he tells Lou he'll waive his NTC only if he can be traded to Boston. Which I highly doubt Lou would do at this time due to their fine record.

Julien made Pandolfo an Assistant Captain and it's a good fit. Tell them to send a pick and I'm cool with it. We can also send a tape of "Who says you can't go home" by Bon Jovi to the Bruins.

Pandawful.

Pandawful.

He's busy building his dream home on Cape Cawd and thinking about D and D with Ted Kennedy before he checks out to be bothered with playing hockey. Here's hoping he drives into the Hawbar with Ted Kennedy riding shotgun.

I think sitting Panolfo is the best on-ice move, but I worry that benching a longtime Devil for a short short short term rental might not be taken well in the locker room. Or it may send the message that you have to perform to keep your spot in the line up. Either way I think Pando should sit and we will all flip out when TG relays the news that Rupp is on a "line" with Brookbank in practice. :)

I think sitting Panolfo is the best on-ice move, but I worry that benching a longtime Devil for a short short short term rental might not be taken well in the locker room. Or it may send the message that you have to perform to keep your spot in the line up. Either way I think Pando should sit and we will all flip out when TG relays the news that Rupp is on a "line" with Brookbank in practice. :)

WHO CARES? All the guys care about is winning.

We've sat guys who made a lot more. Pando. My question is since I can't remember much contribution from the 2nd half of last season...has he been this awful since coming back from his injury last season? If so, you really have to question Lou for re-signing him.

How about Pandawful to boston for a 4th round pick? please?

I'd imagine Rupp would be sitting. Clarkson has scored 16 points this season. Rupp has scored only 6 on some lucky deflections and secondary assists. Although he is becoming a good fighter. Pandolfo's got the veteran leadership going for him, and besides he's still got 3 more points then Rupp.

Pando deserves to sit, but unfortunately because of his veteran status I just don't see that happening.

Pandahfah will be like "Nah naht waivin' the clahse becahse just baaaaaht a new cah."

Pandahfah will be like "Nah naht waivin' the clahse becahse just baaaaaht a new cah."

**** you crack me up man!:laugh:

Pandolfo should sit - I think it's a good sign that Madden & Pandolfo were at least put on separate lines now, as it opens up the possibility. It sucks given Pando's tenure with the team, but bottom line is that he has not been performing. Plus his role has already been reduced with the Devils rarely matching the checking line against top lines & players like Zajac (& to a lesser extent Parise) getting time on the PK.

At this point, I hope Lou is able to trade Pandolfo away for a mid-round pick. His contract is high, but he would still offer value to maybe a younger team that could use his leadership experience (he's quiet, but has a ton of playoff experience & is used to winning) & someone on the PK & in a checking role. Even though his skills have diminished a bit, he's still only two seasons removed from being a Selke candidate. Plus, it would open up a spot for some of the younger players to make the roster next season.

Who should? Pandolfo

Who will? Rupp/Clarkson (depending on the team we're playing)

People thinking Pandolfo can be moved make me laugh. He has 4 iron clad no movement issues:

1) His NTC
2) His salary
3) His stats
4) His age

Keep dreaming though. This might be the deal that actually happens after the failure of the Matvichuk, Vishnevski, and Mogilny trades. :sarcasm:

Gotta give Lou credit though - when he wins he wins big; but when he loses he loses big too. I never though Pandawful would actually wind up being a contract year performer but now we know. Shoulda signed him to a series of 1 year deals with incentives.

Who should? Pandolfo

Who will? Rupp/Clarkson (depending on the team we're playing)




Clarkson is never going to sit

Pandahfah will be like "Nah naht waivin' the clahse becahse just baaaaaht a new cah."

:biglaugh:

Clarkson is never going to sit

oh contraire my friend...

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Promise him Sawwwxxxxx tickets.

buy him a cuppa cawfee

and a new haas on the wuddah

tell him to pahhhk his cahhh in hahhhvahhhd yahhhd

Ugh I am having VS Bruins color guy flashbacks
Ya see heeyah Dawk, da Bruihhnnsss play a layered defenseand Chaaaraah blahhhks allllowwwwattaaaaa shawhhttttsssss.

People thinking Pandolfo can be moved make me laugh. He has 4 iron clad no movement issues:

1) His NTC
2) His salary
3) His stats
4) His age

Keep dreaming though. This might be the deal that actually happens after the failure of the Matvichuk, Vishnevski, and Mogilny trades. :sarcasm:

Gotta give Lou credit though - when he wins he wins big; but when he loses he loses big too. I never though Pandawful would actually wind up being a contract year performer but now we know. Shoulda signed him to a series of 1 year deals with incentives.

Crap, I forgot about the NTC - is it a full NTC or limited?

I still think Pando has some value though & likely more value to other teams than he can provide the Devils now that his role on the team has changed. He's not exactly a bad guy to have on a team like Columbus or Florida...though I say that without knowing too much about their specific situations & needs.

Clarkson is never going to sit

I don't think you can leave Rupp out when we play "tougher" teams, especially the teams with the 6'5+ heavyweights and the next logical person (assuming Pandolfo never finds his way to the press box) is Clarkson.

With the addition of Shannahan, Clarkson's PP time will most likely diminish completely and then how effective does he become? I like Clarkson, I really do, but his skills are minimal and I think he sometimes gets too much praise from our fans.

I don't think you can leave Rupp out when we play "tougher" teams, especially the teams with the 6'5+ heavyweights and the next logical person is Clarkson.

Clarkson? The Golden Boy?

There's not a snowballs chance in hell Clarkson is the guy that sits. Sutter would bench Elias or Parise before The Golden Boy :nod:


With the addition of Shannahan, Clarkson's PP time will most likely diminish completely

Which is why every Devils fan should have been doing this upon the Shanny announcement:highclap::joker::hockey::hyper::bow: :handclap: :yo: :banana::xsign:

I am on record as saying this is HUGE, and I believe people here are WAY underestimating how important Shanny could be to this team.

The Devils are the 8th ranked offense in the NHL with a MISERABLE POWERPLAY. Imagine how good they could be with a decent powerplay? It makes a huge difference. Sure, he's not mobile anymore, but he still has a remarkably accurate shot and one of the best set one-timers I've ever seen in my life.

And I can promise you this, 650 goal scorers DO NOT miss open nets or fail to "elevate the puck" when needed. I am not one to normally gush, but I think this is a way bigger deal than 99% of Devils fan posters here realize.

Promise him Sawwwxxxxx tickets.

Have Holik give him a Wickeedddddd Grinda and pop while watching Sully from Godsmack play by the Hawbur while the Sawwwwwwwwwwwwxx play the Yankees at the Pawk.

I want to tape a southie, Barbara Walter, Tom Brokaw and Pandawful go at it about Steve Kaspar.

our PP is really not as bad as some make it out to be...were right in the middle of the pack

our PP is really not as bad as some make it out to be...were right in the middle of the pack

that's purely from a % standpoint on converting... the stat I'd like to see is the ranking for a PP goal that results in the difference between a loss/overtime loss/win

I guarantee we aren't anywhere near the top on that one. How many games would we have garnered a point if not two had we just gotten 1 pp goal out of multiple chances? We score PP goals in bunches and usually after the first one, the others didn't matter. We need consistent production like one PP goal per game to really have a "good" PP.

I will say this much:

Like most of you, I think it should be Pandolfo. Unlike most of you, I think it also will be Pandolfo. It would be a crime to scratch Rupp or Clarkson for that matter. I mean, ok, Clarkson will not get any PP time when Shany comes it, which might make him more expendable. But, truth be told, his fights are very often good for a shift in momentum, and he has scored quite a few goals for a 3rd 4th liner. Sutters credibility is on the line here. He says that the worst player will come off....if he really is in charge, then Pando will be a healthy scratch. That said, he might not be scratched for a long period of time, maybe just 2 3 games, so he can think about his role on the team. And then, whenever one of the other guys sucks for more than 1 game, put Pando back in.

Clarkson? The Golden Boy?

There's not a snowballs chance in hell Clarkson is the guy that sits. Sutter would bench Elias or Parise before The Golden Boy :nod:



Which is why every Devils fan should have been doing this upon the Shanny announcement:highclap::joker::hockey::hyper::bow: :handclap: :yo: :banana::xsign:

I am on record as saying this is HUGE, and I believe people here are WAY underestimating how important Shanny could be to this team.

The Devils are the 8th ranked offense in the NHL with a MISERABLE POWERPLAY. Imagine how good they could be with a decent powerplay? It makes a huge difference. Sure, he's not mobile anymore, but he still has a remarkably accurate shot and one of the best set one-timers I've ever seen in my life.

And I can promise you this, 650 goal scorers DO NOT miss open nets or fail to "elevate the puck" when needed. I am not one to normally gush, but I think this is a way bigger deal than 99% of Devils fan posters here realize.


Is this an attempt to bash Clarkson? He doesn't belong on the power play but he deserves to be in the line-up without a doubt.

He's on pace for 15 goals, he forechecks well, plays a very aggressive/physical game, fights well, etc. But I do agree he doesn't belong on the powerplay.

The Devils power play as of late has been playing extremely well. I agree however that the addition of Shanahan is huge for the power play. The addition of him not only makes the 1st unit a great unit, it makes the 2nd unit better in turn making obviously a deeper Power play.

Overall I am extremely pleased with the signing of Shanahan and hope this turns out to be a Claude Lemieux type mid-season move that leads to a Cup.

As fas as who sits, what should happen is Pandolfo should sit. Where is Pandolfo going to play when Shanahan is inserted in the line-up?

They way to do it is leave the top 2 lines alone and have the 3rd and 4th as follows:
3) Shanahan-Madden-Rolston
4) Rupp-Holik-Clarkson

The top 2 lines are playing well. This gives you one of the best 3rd lines in the league and probably the most skilled 4th line in the league not too mention a tough heavy checking line.