Do refs generally favour Canada on the international scene?

Do refs generally favour Canada on the international scene?

No, but fans whose team loses to Canada needs an excuse for the loss. These refs are the best in international hockey. They don't favor anyone.

this has bad news written all over it...

this has bad news written all over it...

Most topics have already become a brawl, no damage starting a new one.

Yes of course.
If it should be thats another question.

did you want a 9th PP last night? would that lower the whining and excuses a bit more?

freakin babies.

No, they do not.

Considering they played most of the 2nd shorthanded, im inclined to disagree

I voted "Yes, and they should" simply because that's the coolest answer, and this is a stupid question.

Considering they played most of the 2nd shorthanded, im inclined to disagree

How is that relevant?

If they call 50% of the obvious penalties and that gives you 5-6 power plays, they still decided to look the other way on the other 50%

Where in the world did some of you Swedish fans ever get this conspiracy theory from? It seems to be a unique Swedish thing and it's mind boggling. I would have thought that last night would have put this theory to bed but yet it persists.

Where in the world did some of you Swedish fans ever get this conspiracy theory from? It seems to be a unique Swedish thing and it's mind boggling. I would have thought that last night would have put this theory to bed but yet it persists.


How would LAST NIGHT put it to bed?:help:

Where in the world did some of you Swedish fans ever get this conspiracy theory from? It seems to be a unique Swedish thing and it's mind boggling. I would have thought that last night would have put this theory to bed but yet it persists.

Seriously, this is not a swedish conspiracy. Its a wide known belief of the other hockeycountries, including USA.

But I agree its way too exagerated.

29W - 1L over the past 5 years, and the single Canada loss came during a non-medal round game.

Canada do not at all require nor request the help of the refs.

In summation, 29-1.

29W - 1L over the past 5 years, and the single Canada loss came during a non-medal round game.

Canada do not at all require nor request the help of the refs.

In summation, 29-1.

The people complaining about conspiracies are making excuses for their teams losing.

If Canada got beat up 5 years straight by another country, I'd be pretty irrational too.

It was ridiculous the lengths the refs went to to be biased against Canada last night so people could say they were "impartial", and yet they still complain. Unbelievable.

Obviously not, what a stupid question.

It's kind off pointless to have this poll on a board where 70% are Canadians :huh:

29W - 1L over the past 5 years, and the single Canada loss came during a non-medal round game.

Canada do not at all require nor request the help of the refs.

In summation, 29-1.


The poll is not about the WJHC exclusively, but the international hockey, where the record is not so stellar

Seriously, this is not a swedish conspiracy. Its a wide known belief of the other hockeycountries, including USA.

But I agree its way too exagerated.

And the evidence of such a conspiracy is....where? And by evidence I mean real evidence besides the butt hurt whining of a select group of foreign fans. There is no way a "fix" like the one proposed by some of you people could ever fly.

29W - 1L over the past 5 years, and the single Canada loss came during a non-medal round game.

Canada do not at all require nor request the help of the refs.

In summation, 29-1.

Once again, this lacks relevance.

The theory is that refs give Canada unfair advantages during international tournaments. You then go ahead and state that the record between Canada and Sweden on the junior side, is 29-1:handclap::help:

Do you understand where this lacks relevance, or do I have to point it out to you?

And the evidence of such a conspiracy is....where? And by evidence I mean real evidence besides the butt hurt whining of a select group of foreign fans. There is no way a "fix" like the one proposed by some of you people could ever fly.

50% of possible penalties were called against Canada while 50.27% of possible penalties were called against Sweden.

The fix is in!

20-30 years back, hell yes! The Soviets were better during the Summits and many of the Canada Cups, there's no denying that.

Nowadays I think this is way too exaggerated though. It probably happens from time to time that they are favoured, but then again Russia, Sweden etc would probably be a little favoured if they were playing at home.

Many of the Swedish posters need to stop whining. Yesterday they got quite a few PP and still didn't convert them into goals. Sure, there were a few situations, in particular Espositos kneeling of Markström, that could have given the Canadians another minor but on the other hand they got at least one really soft one.

Hate to say it, but yesterday Canada was the best team by far.

Once again, this lacks relevance.

The theory is that refs give Canada unfair advantages during international tournaments. You then go ahead and state that the record between Canada and Sweden on the junior side, is 29-1:handclap::help:

Do you understand where this lacks relevance, or do I have to point it out to you?

What is your point? Canada have also won 3 of the past 6 world championships at the senior level as well; other countries, not so much. In fact, no other countries have won as many gold medals as have Canada at that level, nor have any other countries been able to match our overall medal totals at that particular level.

There is a reason that the IIHF have Canada ranked #1 you know.

We get no favors from the refs 99% of the time, unlike many of the Euro squads.

20-30 years back, hell yes! The Soviets were better during the Summits and many of the Canada Cups, there's no denying that.

Nowadays I think this is way too exaggerated though. It probably happens from time to time that they are favoured, but then again Russia, Sweden etc would probably be a little favoured if they were playing at home.

Many of the Swedish posters need to stop whining. Yesterday they got quite a few PP and still didn't convert them into goals. Sure, there were a few situations, in particular Espositos kneeling of Markström, that could have given the Canadians another minor but on the other hand they got at least one really soft one.

Hate to say it, but yesterday Canada was the best team by far.

Agree with this (except I love that Canada was the best). Also if they call Espo for the trip on Markstrom, you would think that they would have called Hedman for that punch to the head.

International refereeing has always been questionable in my eyes, but it's the best available at the tourney and we have to live with that.

20-30 years back, hell yes! The Soviets were better during the Summits and many of the Canada Cups, there's no denying that.

Nowadays I think this is way too exaggerated though. It probably happens from time to time that they are favoured, but then again Russia, Sweden etc would probably be a little favoured if they were playing at home.

Many of the Swedish posters need to stop whining. Yesterday they got quite a few PP and still didn't convert them into goals. Sure, there were a few situations, in particular Espositos kneeling of Markström, that could have given the Canadians another minor but on the other hand they got at least one really soft one.

Hate to say it, but yesterday Canada was the best team by far.

Is there a penalty in International hockey for embellishment? If so, either Markstrom can't skate at a SEL level, or he should have been called 4 times for said penalty last night.

Once again, this lacks relevance.

The theory is that refs give Canada unfair advantages during international tournaments. You then go ahead and state that the record between Canada and Sweden on the junior side, is 29-1:handclap::help:

Do you understand where this lacks relevance, or do I have to point it out to you?

Instead of waiting for a post you can arrogantly respond to, why don't you present some evidence as to how professional refs favour Canada?

No , of course not. Only a truly paranoid personality would believe otherwise.

This will be a good poll to harvest names for some sort of
'list'... ;)

I am surprised, I thought the 3-d choice would be the most popular :D

I am surprised, I thought the 3-d choice would be the most popular :D

Personally, I wanted the No, but they should option;)

No , of course not. Only a truly paranoid personality would believe otherwise.

This will be a good poll to harvest names for some sort of
'list'... ;)


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No , of course not. Only a truly paranoid personality would believe otherwise.

This will be a good poll to harvest names for some sort of
'list'... ;)

I agree with the posters above that the phenomenon is mostly the thing of the past, but ... could not but give a reminder :D

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=RCh4PtteLuY

Personally, I wanted the No, but they should option;)

That should be another one, and then those two should really harvest the votes of all sensible ppl ;)

Do we already know that atleast 85% of the voters in this poll are going to be Canadian-patriot-nationalists? Do we therefore already know what the result of this poll is going to be? (yes)

Through all this whining, I've yet to hear a fair legit arguement about any non call with the exception of the missed high stick on Hedman behind the play. And that I have no problem with a non call on as he held Cormier's (I think it was Cormier) stick to his face, and went down like he was shot.

The Espo contact on Markstrom? Okay, but then Hedman should have received a roughing call.

There were also several marginal plays that were called. The interference call on Cormier for what was no more than a push, the cross checking call on Aulie, a play which went uncalled when a Swedish player made an identical play 2 minutes later.

All in all, there were calls and non calls that were made and missed each way.

There are always questionable calls but they tend to even themselves out. Bilros changed his nick? :sarcasm:

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=RCh4PtteLuY

To the people who asked for evidence.

Voila.

To the people who asked for evidence.

Voila.

Sorry, not evidence. This falls into the category of butt-hurt fans who have enough time to waste that they assemble a collection missed calls into a video collection of butt-hurtage to help soothe their aching butts. Butt hurt much?
If I had no life I could throw together a collection of missed/bad calls against Canada and post in on youtube as well.but that would be pathetic.

Where in the world did some of you Swedish fans ever get this conspiracy theory from? It seems to be a unique Swedish thing and it's mind boggling. I would have thought that last night would have put this theory to bed but yet it persists.

Maybe because we don't take the crap that the canadian posters always put up?

I voted "Yes, and they should" simply because that's the coolest answer, and this is a stupid question.

Me too! :D

Sorry, not evidence. This falls into the category of butt-hurt fans who have enough time to waste that they assemble a collection missed calls into a video collection of butt-hurtage to help soothe their aching butts. Butt hurt much?
If I had no life I could throw together a collection of missed/bad calls against Canada and post in on youtube as well.but that would be pathetic.

On every one of the goals scored by the canadians, the refs missed a penalty that is called 100 times out of 100 in any other game. And you claim this isn't evidence?

Without those non calls, and the flops by various canadians - Soviet win easily.


But keep the excuses coming, they are somewhat amusing.

On every one of the goals scored by the canadians, the refs missed a penalty that is called 100 times out of 100 in any other game. And you claim this isn't evidence?

Without those non calls, and the flops by various canadians - Soviet win easily.


But keep the excuses coming, they are somewhat amusing.

What's equally amusing is you cherrypicking posts to reply to and then hopping on a youtube link someone else posted as stone-cold evidence, claiming it justifies your entire argument when really all it is is one game. So according to you, arguably biased refs in 1 game = the refs "generally favor" Canada in international play. Makes sense.

No the refs don't favour Canada. You have missed calls in every game. There were missed calls against Canada and Sweden. Trying to put blame on officiating is just losers looking for an excuse.

I swear I have not seen this much whining about officiating in international games for a long time. Even when playing under IIHF rules with refs from Europe we just can't get a break from the whining.

Without those non calls, and the flops by various canadians - Soviet win easily.

Russian posters didn't whine about the officiating, don't do it for them.

I voted "Yes, and they should" simply because that's the coolest answer, and this is a stupid question.
Yeah, but when you see who the thread starter is, stupid questions and stupid arguments are all that can be expected.

Ironically, for years Canadian executives, players and fans said they have received the short end of the stick from European referees, simply because the European officials call the clean, hard hits that need to be part of the game. It's not as much of an issue now, since many European nations have put an added emphasis on physical play in the last 10-15 years. (It was a big part of Finland's success at all level late in the 90s and earlier in this decade).

On every one of the goals scored by the canadians, the refs missed a penalty that is called 100 times out of 100 in any other game. And you claim this isn't evidence?

Without those non calls, and the flops by various canadians - Soviet win easily.


But keep the excuses coming, they are somewhat amusing.

It is you who keeps making excuses, not the Canadians. Having won 5 straight WJC gold and 3 of the past 6 senior titles, we don't need to make excuses.

It has been said many times in the past that one can't argue with success, but that doesn't stop the losers from trying to.

Yes, they give Canada more powerplay time because Canada usually outplays the other teams and forces them to commit penalties.

What's equally amusing is you cherrypicking posts to reply to and then hopping on a youtube link someone else posted as stone-cold evidence, claiming it justifies your entire argument when really all it is is one game. So according to you, arguably biased refs in 1 game = the refs "generally favor" Canada in international play. Makes sense.

well, if he's using that logic, lets point him to the 2002 olympic womens finals, where the ref was extremely biased against Canada. so with that, we are back to checkmate.

It has been said many times in the past that one can't argue with success, but that doesn't stop the losers from trying to.

Yes you can, when it's so obvious that the refs always are helping the Canadians. I remember a Senior final a couple of years ago when Rob Niedermayer hits Forsberg from behind and only got a 2+10.

Through all this whining, I've yet to hear a fair legit arguement about any non call with the exception of the missed high stick on Hedman behind the play. And that I have no problem with a non call on as he held Cormier's (I think it was Cormier) stick to his face, and went down like he was shot.

The Espo contact on Markstrom? Okay, but then Hedman should have received a roughing call.

There were also several marginal plays that were called. The interference call on Cormier for what was no more than a push, the cross checking call on Aulie, a play which went uncalled when a Swedish player made an identical play 2 minutes later.

All in all, there were calls and non calls that were made and missed each way.

Would still like a response to this.
What call was missed that should have been made?

Give some ****ing direct examples of the refs trying to help out the Canadians in last night's game and maybe people will start taking you seriously. How old are you people?

On every one of the goals scored by the canadians, the refs missed a penalty that is called 100 times out of 100 in any other game. And you claim this isn't evidence?

Without those non calls, and the flops by various canadians - Soviet win easily.


But keep the excuses coming, they are somewhat amusing.

Did a North-American bloke steal your girlfriend/boyfriend (dont know what you prefer)? I cant see any other reason someone can be so blindly against everything North-American.... Get over it, Canada produces the best U20 players in the world at the moment.

To the people who asked for evidence.

Voila.

Well, to be fair, putting the CC in the category of "international hockey" is a stretch... :D

The 2nd option shouldn't be 'Yes', it should be 'Swedish?'

;)

Alotta QQing in here.

To the people who asked for evidence.

Voila.

Too bad its not 1987.

When Sweden cries, we know our job is done.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2009/01/05/canadax-large.jpg

When Sweden cries, we know our job is done.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2009/01/05/canadax-large.jpg

I still want one of those hats - bad! :)

i love all the conspiracy theories

As a kindof experienced user of this board, I request a ban on Nordic. His post history is nothing but harassement, trolling and outlandish statements.

To the people who asked for evidence.

Voila.

Congratulations, you posted the link for one game that happened over 20 years ago.

Maybe I should post some links of the 2002 Olympic final against the USA. That was some pretty one sided reffing but hey, we actually won.

As a kindof experienced user of this board, I request a ban on Nordic. His post history is nothing but harassement, trolling and outlandish statements

I agree. Everything from Lidstrom being better than Bobby Orr, Forsberg better than Lemieux or Gretzky, and now this. Everything he posts is trolling and flamebait.

Congratulations Bilros, you're able to find anecdotal "evidence" on youtube to support your childish theories that Canada is favoured by the refs. Thankfully some of your Swedish compatriots know the truth, and that is Canada has simply been better at this tournament than Sweden for decades.

I still want one of those hats - bad! :)


Hats and shirts are being sold at Sports Experts for sure here in Ottawa. Not sure about anywhere else though. Give your local one a call.

Congratulations, you posted the link for one game that happened over 20 years ago.

Maybe I should post some links of the 2002 Olympic final against the USA. That was some pretty one sided reffing but hey, we actually won.


Against the bloody Soviets as well. Like anyone should give a rats backside what happened to the Soviets.

Give some ****ing direct examples of the refs trying to help out the Canadians in last night's game and maybe people will start taking you seriously. How old are you people?

4 times they hit our goalie.

Tavares dove like a ballerina.

There were crosschecks, hookings, slashes, interfierences, a blatant 6 men on the ice for at the same time as Sweden got penalized for Lasu´s clean hit, Backlunds shuv, Hedman slashing a stick and what not. Slashing a player is apparently ok, but a stick is 2 min?

I know you can realize that Canada are always given an advantage, but I get that it's not something you'd like to admit. I know you can.

I bet we'll all be sitting here the same time next year, and arguing the exact same thing. Don't you atleast wonder why this is constantly brought up? You really can't admit that there are some truth to this? Obviously it's not as bad as it was 20 years ago, but the favouritism is still there, though more disguised.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_kG_LaCCg

Much less contact, and lookie what happend.




Congratulations Bilros, you're able to find anecdotal "evidence" on youtube to support your childish theories that Canada is favoured by the refs. Thankfully some of your Swedish compatriots know the truth, and that is Canada has simply been better at this tournament than Sweden for decades.


In case you didn't notice, I didn't find that youtube. I just quoted it.
Tell me if there's anything else you'd like me to explain to you, I'm here to help:)


And yeah, having a different opinion is clearly enough to get banned.:sarcasm:

4 times they hit our goalie.

Tavares dove like a ballerina.

There were crosschecks, hookings, slashes, interfierences, a blatant 6 men on the ice for at the same time as Sweden got penalized for Lasu´s clean hit, Backlunds shuv, Hedman slashing a stick and what not. Slashing a player is apparently ok, but a stick is 2 min?

I know you can realize that Canada are always given an advantage, but I get that it's not something you'd like to admit. I know you can.

I bet we'll all be sitting here the same time next year, and arguing the exact same thing. Don't you atleast wonder why this is constantly brought up? You really can't admit that there are some truth to this? Obviously it's not as bad as it was 20 years ago, but the favouritism is still there, though more disguised.

Ok, and how about Markstrom's ridiculous diving antics?

How about Andersson BITING our player? (I forgot though, Swedes bite other players with class :shakehead)

How about Hedman jumping on our player putting him in a headlock and pounding him?

How about a blatant too many men on the ice penalty?

How bout one of your players shoving one of our players face in the ice like a complete moron?

How about plenty of missed slashes, interference, dives, etc?

It goes both ways, but you're just a homer who can't admit he lost. It's senseless to argue with you any further.

Edit: By the way, the goalie in your video was in his crease. When a goalie is outside his crease and gets nudged and proceeds by flopping like a fish, chances are the refs wil see it and it won't get called.

4 times they hit our goalie.

Tavares dove like a ballerina.


Saying Tavares "dove like a ballerina" right after your first statement was priceless.

Against the bloody Soviets as well. Like anyone should give a rats backside what happened to the Soviets.

Translation, por favor?

No, and this is the dumbest thread I have seen in a bit.

Canada play hockey and we play it hard, if you want to call it cheating then perhaps you do not know what hockey is.

The whining out of Europe on this board is pretty funny, and not to mention completly and totally uncalled for.

The Swed's played a poor game and flopped like fishes out there, but had their fair share of PP so get over it babies.

Ok, and how about Markstrom's ridiculous diving antics?

How about Andersson BITING our player? (I forgot though, Swedes bite other players with class :shakehead)

How about Hedman jumping on our player putting him in a headlock and pounding him?

How about a blatant too many men on the ice penalty?

How bout one of your players shoving one of our players face in the ice like a complete moron?

How about plenty of missed slashes, interference, dives, etc?

It goes both ways, but you're just a homer who can't admit he lost. It's senseless to argue with you any further.

Edit: By the way, the goalie in your video was in his crease. When a goalie is outside his crease and gets nudged and proceeds by flopping like a fish, chances are the refs wil see it and it won't get called.

Don't forget about a Swedish player coming in on Tokarski after he made a save to snow him and crash into him. Subban reaction was priceless when asking the ref why there was no call on the play.

But I agree with you, hell when my team loses I try to justify why they lost but blaming the refs was pretty lame especially when the refs actually did a pretty good job at keeping last nigths game under control.

Translation, por favor?

Here's a translation for you **** the Soviet Union and all it stood for.

"If you can't accept losing, you can't win."

Vince Lombardi.

Its well known to everyone in Canada that for an official on ice and off ice to work a game here , they have to have a 75/25 ratio of penalties in Canadas favour ..i think a see a Rick Mercer Talking to Americnans /Eropeans Hockey Edition coming up very soon !!!

Ok, and how about Markstrom's ridiculous diving antics?

How about Andersson BITING our player? (I forgot though, Swedes bite other players with class :shakehead)

How about Hedman jumping on our player putting him in a headlock and pounding him?

How about a blatant too many men on the ice penalty?

How bout one of your players shoving one of our players face in the ice like a complete moron?

How about plenty of missed slashes, interference, dives, etc?

It goes both ways, but you're just a homer who can't admit he lost. It's senseless to argue with you any further.

Edit: By the way, the goalie in your video was in his crease. When a goalie is outside his crease and gets nudged and proceeds by flopping like a fish, chances are the refs wil see it and it won't get called.

Markstrom embellished the contacts, I'll give you that. But when the ref didn't bother with a penalty after the first hit, I guess he felt that he needed to make it more clear the next time. If the ref had taken the first one like he should, none of this would've happend.


The biting, is it really clear that he infact did it?

Hedman protected his goalie, he didn't even drop his gloves and the punch was more of a facewash than a punch. He should ofcourse get two min for it. I have no idea how the refs didn't call anything on that situation.

We didn't have any "to many men on the ice", what are you talking about? The only one even remotely close was when a swede was on the ice in a shift exchange, but he held on to the side of the board, which doesn't make it a penalty.

Shuving someones face on the ice? When?

Really, what slashes, interfierences and dives? Thewre were none. The closest one was Markstrom, but it wasn't dives, they were embellishments. I don't support them, but I can kinda see why he did them. He was frustrated with the refs - and, 99% of all goalies react the same way when they get hit. You know they do.


I am a homer, never said otherwise. But so are you, even though you claim to be objective.

Ughh, they're still whining? Give me a break!

I love threads like this, because they only serve to reinforce for me that my country is the greatest hockey country in the world. All of our rivals gang up to "prove" that the reasons we beat them are because of cheating and refereeing and God knows what else, and they have their little poor-us circlejerk and feel much better about themselves while I sit back and laugh at how much we're in everyone else's heads. The fact is that people only say these things because Canada's better than their country is, and although we might not win every tournament, generally speaking, no other country's hockey program is fit to hold our collective jocks.

I would say they didnt. While I missed most of the game, I did walk by and see bits a pieces. I caught 4 different sections of the game. Once, Sweden had a 5 on 3 advantage. 2 others they had the powerplay. And the last they were even strength.

Markstrom embellished the contacts, I'll give you that. But when the ref didn't bother with a penalty after the first hit, I guess he felt that he needed to make it more clear the next time. If the ref had taken the first one like he should, none of this would've happend.


The biting, is it really clear that he infact did it?

Hedman protected his goalie, he didn't even drop his gloves and the punch was more of a facewash than a punch. He should ofcourse get two min for it. I have no idea how the refs didn't call anything on that situation.

We didn't have any "to many men on the ice", what are you talking about? The only one even remotely close was when a swede was on the ice in a shift exchange, but he held on to the side of the board, which doesn't make it a penalty.

Shuving someones face on the ice? When?

Really, what slashes, interfierences and dives? Thewre were none. The closest one was Markstrom, but it wasn't dives, they were embellishments. I don't support them, but I can kinda see why he did them. He was frustrated with the refs - and, 99% of all goalies react the same way when they get hit. You know they do.


I am a homer, never said otherwise. But so are you, even though you claim to be objective.


You are right here, Hickey was only waving his hand like that as in saying: "Ohhhh, that broad in the first row is hot, damn!!!"

Here's a translation for you **** the Soviet Union and all it stood for.

I see. You know this is a hockey board, right?

Markstrom embellished the contacts, I'll give you that. But when the ref didn't bother with a penalty after the first hit, I guess he felt that he needed to make it more clear the next time. If the ref had taken the first one like he should, none of this would've happend.


The biting, is it really clear that he infact did it?

Hedman protected his goalie, he didn't even drop his gloves and the punch was more of a facewash than a punch. He should ofcourse get two min for it. I have no idea how the refs didn't call anything on that situation.

We didn't have any "to many men on the ice", what are you talking about? The only one even remotely close was when a swede was on the ice in a shift exchange, but he held on to the side of the board, which doesn't make it a penalty.

Shuving someones face on the ice? When?

Really, what slashes, interfierences and dives? Thewre were none. The closest one was Markstrom, but it wasn't dives, they were embellishments. I don't support them, but I can kinda see why he did them. He was frustrated with the refs - and, 99% of all goalies react the same way when they get hit. You know they do.


I am a homer, never said otherwise. But so are you, even though you claim to be objective.

It's called missed calls happen in a game regardless of sides . I've brought about as much evidence to those calls as you have.

The difference between you and me is that had Sweden played like Canada and Canada played like Sweden I wouldn't be blaming the refs

I'd be blaming the fact that we went 0/9 on the PP and were completely unable to generate any sort of offense that didn't consist of weak perimeter shots . Of course the refs probably told the Swedes that if they were to score on the PP or generate any form of potent offense, they'd get an automatic penalty. Yup.

Seriously, what did you want? For Canada to play shorthanded the entire game? Would that have made you feel better?

Canada has a superior hockey development program, deal with it.

9 penalty kills last night. How many more powerplays can you ask for? Give me a break. If we had NHL referees, Markstrom would've gotten 4 minors for diving.

I see. You know this is a hockey board, right?

I thought it was the conspiracy theory board?
Seems to me someone posted a video of a 21 year old hockey game between Canada and the Soviet Union in pathetic attempt to prove such a conspiracy.. I simply made a comment about said hockey video. you apparently missed the english meaning and asked for a translation and so I provided one. It's right up there, perhaps you missed it. here it is again.

**** the Soviet Union and all it stood for.

We didn't have any "to many men on the ice", what are you talking about? The only one even remotely close was when a swede was on the ice in a shift exchange, but he held on to the side of the board, which doesn't make it a penalty.

You did so, everyone on the Canadian bench started screaming at the refs, Miller and Mcguire pointed it out and even counted the skaters and everyone in the arena started to boo when the ref didn't put his arm up.

But anyways, your too blind to notice anything against Sweden at this point, it's what being a sore loser is all about.

1. Cry to you mom - CHECK
2. Blame the refs - CHECK
3. There's always next year - You'll probably be there by next week.

Just a word of advice to you, stop blaming the refs and start blaming your awful power play, Sweden had more than enought chances to get back in the game especially in the 2nd period.

It's called missed calls happen in a game regardless of sides . I've brought about as much evidence to those calls as you have.

The difference between you and me is that had Sweden played like Canada and Canada played like Sweden I wouldn't be blaming the refs

I'd be blaming the fact that we went 0/9 on the PP and were completely unable to generate any sort of offense that didn't consist of weak perimeter shots . Of course the refs probably told the Swedes that if they were to score on the PP or generate any form of potent offense, they'd get an automatic penalty. Yup.

Seriously, what did you want? For Canada to play shorthanded the entire game? Would that have made you feel better?


What does our inability to score on the PP have to do with anything?

So if we ran your goalie 4 times and the refs didn't call anything, you'd be absolutely fine with it?


Noone is contesting that Canada is the best hockey nation in the world, why do every canadian constantly bring this up, it's totally irrelevant. Not directed at the poster whos post I quoted, but in general.



1. Cry to you mom - CHECK



My mother is dead, but thanks.

What does our inability to score on the PP have to do with anything?

So if we ran your goalie 4 times and the refs didn't call anything, you'd be absolutely fine with it?


Noone is contesting that Canada isn't the best hockey nation in the world, why do every canadian constantly bring this up, it's totally irrelevant. Not directed at the poster whos post I quoted, but in general.

It has to do with the fact that you were COMPLETELY UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH YOUR POWERPLAY ANYWAYS.

We were.

There, is that clearer for you? It's not only about the PP either, you guys were unable to create any real offense throughout the entire game other than weak perimeter shots. Is that the refs fault too?

We also clearly have a different definition about what it means to run a goalie. The only one I'll agree with is Della Rovere's dirty ass hit on Markstrom that should have got him benched for the rest of the game.

It's right up there, perhaps you missed it.

Why would I, I posted it.


here it is again.

**** the Soviet Union and all it stood for.

Since you apparently have not learnt to distinguish between a hockey team, its fanbase and what it stood for, and a government and what that stood for, allow me to be the first to extend a similar sentiment to you personally.

Markstrom embellished the contacts, I'll give you that. But when the ref didn't bother with a penalty after the first hit, I guess he felt that he needed to make it more clear the next time. If the ref had taken the first one like he should, none of this would've happend.

So it's the refs fault Markstrom had to dive all over the place all night? You say he kept it up because it wasn't clear enough and the ref didn't call it the first time. You do realize the first time he was hit it was by his own player and he snapped back like he had been head shot from the upper level?

The biting, is it really clear that he infact did it?

His hand goes near the guys face and next thing you know he's pulling it away in pain. Maybe the guy licked him? I won't say for sure he bit him because we don't know but it looks pretty obvious.

Hedman protected his goalie, he didn't even drop his gloves and the punch was more of a facewash than a punch. He should ofcourse get two min for it. I have no idea how the refs didn't call anything on that situation.

How is a direct punch to the top/back of the head while lying on top of a player more of a "facewash"? Are you thinking of a different play here? This was when Espo clipped Markstrom and Markstrom made a beautiful dive scoring 9.5/10. Can't see why you're complaining about the non calls because it would've just been evened up with Espo and Hedman going off. Oh ya, maybe it's because Espo SCORED on you right after.

We didn't have any "to many men on the ice", what are you talking about? The only one even remotely close was when a swede was on the ice in a shift exchange, but he held on to the side of the board, which doesn't make it a penalty.

Pierre pointed out a blatant case of too-many-men against Sweden in the second I believe it was. Of course you'll just say he made it up since he's a cheating, lying, classless Canadian (which he actually isn't, he's American). Play went the other way after this missed call and the Swedes drew a penalty. Of course, their absolutely ineffective powerplay couldn't get the job done again.

Shuving someones face on the ice? When?

Conveniently overlooking things, eh? Goloubef gets taken into the crease and put down. There's a Swedish player on top of him throwing punches and shoving his face into the ice for a good couple of seconds. I guess that's the difference between Canada and Sweden. We keep our physical play for during the game whereas your players save it for after the whistle. One thing I can say is this, be glad there's no fighting allowed in international hockey.

Really, what slashes, interfierences and dives? Thewre were none. The closest one was Markstrom, but it wasn't dives, they were embellishments. I don't support them, but I can kinda see why he did them. He was frustrated with the refs - and, 99% of all goalies react the same way when they get hit. You know they do.

You're flat out lying to yourself and don't even deserve a response if you think 99% of goalies act like Markstrom did last night. Maybe over in your Swedish "Elite" League but not here in North America. I'd be hard pressed to name you 5 nhl goalies who act like that. The fact that you don't even know what a dive is proves how little you actually know. You say they were embellishments but not dives. You don't realize those are one and the same thing?

I am a homer, never said otherwise. But so are you, even though you claim to be objective.

None of us claim to be 100% objective, the only difference here is we keep on winning while you keep on looking for excuses to explain your losses. Have a nice day and we'll see you next year :)


This was fun.

What does our inability to score on the PP have to do with anything?

It actually has a lot to do with the game of hockey, in case you havn't noticed special teams are what make good teams great. Had Sweden scored on a couple of their power plays and won the game you wouldn't be here blaming the refs for Sweden's loss.

My mother is dead, but thanks.

I'm sure she'd have been real proud of you right now.

Nordic, comedic gold.

It has to do with the fact that you were COMPLETELY UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH YOUR POWERPLAY ANYWAYS.

We were.

There, is that clearer for you? It's not only about the PP either, you guys were unable to create any real offense throughout the entire game other than weak perimeter shots. Is that the refs fault too?

We also clearly have a different definition about what it means to run a goalie. The only one I'll agree with is Della Rovere's dirty ass hit on Markstrom that should have got him benched for the rest of the game.

We aren't discussing our power play in this thread, therefore it's irrelevant. Even if we hadn't scored even if we had 20*2 min, it's still not relevant. You probably would've won anyway, but that's not the point either. The refs gave you unfair advantages as usual, and the irony is that it makes your wins less honest in many peoples eyes, at the same time as you probably would've won most tournaments even without the advantages.

Canada gets about the same treatment in international tournaments, as Gretzky did in the NHL.

I'm sure she'd have been real proud of you right now.


You are a real classy guy with high morals. Is that an individual trait, or something that all canadians posesss?

BULANOV Vyacheslav (RUS), KURMANN Danny (SUI) NOVAK Milan (SVK), TERHO Jussi (FIN)

Why the heck would those 4 guys favour Canada? If you had Canadian refs in there, you could maybe make a case for it. But I don't see any reasonable argument for a Russian and a Swiss favouring Canada.

We aren't discussing our power play in this thread, therefore it's irrelevant. Even if we hadn't scored even if we had 20*2 min, it's still not relevant. You probably would've won anyway, but that's not the point either. The refs gave you unfair advantages as usual, and the irony is that it makes your wins less honest in many peoples eyes, at the same time as you probably would've won most tournaments even without the advantages.
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Your right this thread is not about the power play because that's the only thing that actually makes sense as to why Sweden lost the game. Conspriacy theories are so much more fun to talk about rather than a lackluster power play that had numerous chances to put themselves back in the game/win the game.

We aren't discussing our power play in this thread, therefore it's irrelevant. Even if we hadn't scored even if we had 20*2 min, it's still not relevant. You probably would've won anyway, but that's not the point either. The refs gave you unfair advantages as usual, and the irony is that it makes your wins less honest in many peoples eyes, at the same time as you probably would've won most tournaments even without the advantages.

Canada gets about the same treatment in international tournaments, as Gretzky did in the NHL.




You are a real classy guy with high morals. Is that an individual trait, or something that all canadian posesss?

It has everything to with the point as to why you lost.

You're only seeing this as one-sided reffing because you're a homer. Someone objective would have come to the conclusion that BOTH teams had missed calls and that the reffing was pretty damn even. Hel your team even had more opportunities.

It's the fact that you and some other Swedes are going on some crusade to try and discredit our win that I find ridiculous.

It took some time but at least you were able to admit, in some warped condescending way that Canada had the better team, so I guess for you that's a start.

You are a real classy guy with high morals. Is that an individual trait, or something that all canadian posesss?

Why do you try to turn every individual experience with a Canadian into something that's representative of our entire nation? Nope, it's just me being really really sick of you. That's all.

Close this poll, it´s a joke.
With 80% of canadian flagwaving morons on this board, what do you expect?

So just because we vote that we don't get special treatment it's because we're flag waving morons? The possibility that we're right about not getting preferential treatment and voted as such didn't cross your mind? No, of course it didn't. I forgot about the great conspiracy theory set in place to make us win all the time.

Close this thread, it´s a joke.
With 20% of European cry babies who have never watched a real game of hockey before, what do you expect?

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I heard that Bulanov got a great time in the shower with the canadian team afterwards.

I heard that Bulanov got a great time in the shower with the canadian team afterwards.

but yea... it's CANADIAN posters who have no class.... riiiiight.

I heard that Bulanov got a great time in the shower with the canadian team afterwards.

I heard that Sweden still lost the Gold medal.

Since you apparently have not learnt to distinguish between a hockey team, its fanbase and what it stood for, and a government and what that stood for, allow me to be the first to extend a similar sentiment to you personally.

Since you apparently have not learnt to distinguish between history, which is where your video belongs along with the other remnants of that former Soviet Union, and what's happening today as well as the difference between a conspiracy and butt-hurt whining, allow me to also extend my opinion of the former Soviet Union to you..... personally.
P.S. **** the Soviet Union.

No.

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I heard that Bulanov got a great time in the shower with the canadian team afterwards.

Who doesn't want to hang out with the 5 TIME CHAMPS!

Can't say I blame the guy. I bet it was pretty fun.

We aren't discussing our power play in this thread, therefore it's irrelevant. Even if we hadn't scored even if we had 20*2 min, it's still not relevant. You probably would've won anyway, but that's not the point either. The refs gave you unfair advantages as usual, and the irony is that it makes your wins less honest in many peoples eyes, at the same time as you probably would've won most tournaments even without the advantages.


So even if Canada got 20x2min, we'd still win anyway because the referees would be giving us an unfair advantage? What if we spent the entire game 3 on 5 and won, would the refs still be giving us the unfair advantage?

So basically all I get out of this post is that regardless of how the refs call the game, they're calling it in favor of Canada.

It's called missed calls happen in a game regardless of sides . I've brought about as much evidence to those calls as you have.

The difference between you and me is that had Sweden played like Canada and Canada played like Sweden I wouldn't be blaming the refs

I'd be blaming the fact that we went 0/9 on the PP and were completely unable to generate any sort of offense that didn't consist of weak perimeter shots . Of course the refs probably told the Swedes that if they were to score on the PP or generate any form of potent offense, they'd get an automatic penalty. Yup.

Seriously, what did you want? For Canada to play shorthanded the entire game? Would that have made you feel better?

Canada has a superior hockey development program, deal with it.

First off I know that my post will be looked as really subjective cause of my blue and yellow flag beside my post but I'll give it a shot anyway.

Some calls where missed and there always will be. There is no official thats perfect. But I cant understand what the referee was doing when Esposito was running over Markström and Hedman donkeypunch him aftwards. That was clearly 2 men who should have been spending 2 minutes in the box and then Esposito wouldnt have been able to make it 2-0.

The deciding factor was indeed special teams. Canada made it simple, lots of shots from the point than crush the net. As always. We knew that even so we couldnt defend against it. Sweden on the other hand. Made it too complex. As always. We didnt get enough pucks or players on the net. And Tokarski had a really comfortable game.

But you cant tell me honest to god that the officials werent effected by the 20,000 crazy canadiens on the stands. It happends in every team sport, football, handball, floorball etc.

E.g. What happend with the Della Rovere incident? The puck goes out the canadien zone, Della Rovere then crosscheck Carl Gustafsson to the ice then once more. A delayed penalty is called: Markström tries to get the bench, Della Rovere comes from nowhere and checks him. Markström and 2-3 other swedes runs up to him have a little tumble. All guys on the ice have a little pillow-fight. Outcome? 5vs4 penalty for Sweden and Della Rovere got two minutes. Which one he called? I dont know. Why did he blow the whistle when Della Rovere checked Markström if his intention wasnt to call a penalty and no one was injured? I dont know.

If someone knows I could use a answer because then I can maybe shape up my game as an official. Or was this some special rules you have in Canada and not in Sweden? Because the rulebook we have in Sweden and in Europe at least, interfering with the goalie is always a no go.

But about the ref always favoring Canada, thats for me a stretch. Canada is doing everything for them to have an advantage. E.g. last WC in Quebec. Sweden was ranked 1 and was the first one to choose a dressing room. They got a map and picked on. Then a couple of hours later. The Canadien team arrives and some how got a dressing room that wasnt on the map, the best one in the building. Or yesterday. Instead of Sweden training in Scotiabank Palace, they get shiped out to the suburb to their morning skate. But Canada is still nr.1 and will be nr.1 for a long time. Just look at the attendence numbers for the tournament, holy ****. Even Kazakhstan - Germany draws 10,000. More than most SEL games.

For me Sweden missed that go-to-guy during the game. But we will come back even stronger next year.

Refs don't favor Canada, its just that this country really is a hockey powerhouse. In other countries lame attempts to stay in denial about this, they make themselves look like crybaby fools and instead of giving credit where its due, they blame the refs. Shameful really!

which is where your video belongs along with the other remnants of that former Soviet Union

I think we are done here, and are happily marching to each others "lists". I'll be glad to not see yeah!

So far there hasn't been any real evidence to support that Canada is favored by the refs. People of every nation have the same excuses for when there team loses, BLAME THE REFS. Really the people to blame are the players for not stepping up and representing their country in the biggest game of the tournament.

I thought that Sweden had a real shot at winning this year, but when the gold medal game started, they seemed to fold under the pressure. No other team is more scrutinized than Canada, either by other nations when they win or by their own country when they lose. That is a lot of pressure to deal with for anyone. Canada either Wins the gold or they failed.

Refs don't favor Canada, its just that this country really is a hockey powerhouse. In other countries lame attempts to stay in denial about this, they make themselves look like crybaby fools and instead of giving credit where its due, they blame the refs. Shameful really!

Yeah, and bears don´t **** in the woods.

Instead of Sweden training in Scotiabank Palace, they get shiped out to the suburb to their morning skate.

This is like the fifth time I've had to explain this, but I'll keep doing it until people can get their facts straight before saying we cheated the Swedish players. You say we shipped them out to the suburbs to practice. This tells me you have never ever been anywhere near Scotiabank Place. They were sent to practice at the Bell Sensplex which is literally a one minute drive up Palladium Drive (the street Scotiabank Place is on). Secondly, it seems as if you're suggesting they were made to practice in some sub-standard arena. This is also untrue. Want to know why they call it the Sensplex? Yup, you guessed it. The sens practice there some of the time. It's a beautiful facility, I've been there many times. If it's good enough for NHL'ers it's certainly good enough for a Swedish junior team.

E.g. What happend with the Della Rovere incident? The puck goes out the canadien zone, Della Rovere then crosscheck Carl Gustafsson to the ice then once more. A delayed penalty is called: Markström tries to get the bench, Della Rovere comes from nowhere and checks him. Markström and 2-3 other swedes runs up to him have a little tumble. All guys on the ice have a little pillow-fight. Outcome? 5vs4 penalty for Sweden and Della Rovere got two minutes. Which one he called? I dont know. Why did he blow the whistle when Della Rovere checked Markström if his intention wasnt to call a penalty and no one was injured? I dont know.

His mask came off, cause he tried to pull off a triple axel with the help of dr.

IIHF refs call a lot of stuff that our locally trained refs do not call.

Examples like, that little bump by SDR that was called a X-check.

I'm afraid I have to paint this thread with ye' ole' whiners brush.

E.g. What happend with the Della Rovere incident? The puck goes out the canadien zone, Della Rovere then crosscheck Carl Gustafsson to the ice then once more. A delayed penalty is called: Markström tries to get the bench, Della Rovere comes from nowhere and checks him. Markström and 2-3 other swedes runs up to him have a little tumble. All guys on the ice have a little pillow-fight. Outcome? 5vs4 penalty for Sweden and Della Rovere got two minutes. Which one he called? I dont know. Why did he blow the whistle when Della Rovere checked Markström if his intention wasnt to call a penalty and no one was injured? I dont know.

It was Cormier with the cross-check and he got a 2 minute penalty.

Della Rovere interferred with Markstrom and got a 2 minute penalty.

Sweden retaliated and got a 2 minute penalty.

If I remember correctly Markstrom's mask cam flying off like it had explosive charges under it (what is with that?) and I believe the international rule is that the whistle is blown as soon as that happens.

Seems about right.

Or yesterday. Instead of Sweden training in Scotiabank Palace, they get shiped out to the suburb to their morning skate.

Suburb?

It's a 2 minute drive or a 10 minute walk away.

It's the SENATORS practice facility.

Even the OTTAWA SENATORS get dressed at SBP and then drive in their cars to the Sensplex when they practice there.

BTW, I'm not sure why Sweden would expect to get the best dressing room at the WCs. Isn't it home ice advantage for a reason? Should the Canadian fans cheer for Sweden too, because they're ranked #1? Does being ranked #1 make them boo-proof?

This is getting ridiculous.

No, and this is the dumbest thread I have seen in a bit.

Canada play hockey and we play it hard, if you want to call it cheating then perhaps you do not know what hockey is.

The whining out of Europe on this board is pretty funny, and not to mention completly and totally uncalled for.

The Swed's played a poor game and flopped like fishes out there, but had their fair share of PP so get over it babies.
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The fact that refs are always favoring Canada when the game is played in Canada is not something that comes from whining swedes at this board it is more or less common knowledge around the hockey world outside Canada.

But Canadians have very hard to understand this even if it is quite obvious for sensible people. They (not all canadiens there are some sensible ones on this board I know, but there seem to have been an invation of narrow minded hockey idiots lately) say its about tough play, but how it is tough to run over the goalie (even if he exaggerates slightly it doesn´t make it ok)

It is also interesting to see the video form CC 87 posted in this thread, the ridiculous diving from both Lemieux and Gretzky. Some Canadiens are such hypocrits:

The goalie (the canadian) is untouchable, yet the very often run into the golie of the opposing team. And in this game when Hedman stoud up for his golie (like any canadian would have done, Esposito turtles and everyone thinks only Hedman should have a penalty.

And the diving which euros are accused of, look at Gretzky and Lemieux in the posted video from CC 87.. Tavares in this game and so on.

Some poster in this thread wanted proof of refs favoring Canada and got one from CC 87. Another example is Russia vs Canada in World Cup 96. It was almost comical how Terry Gregson favourd the canadians, even the swedish commentators thought it was an embarrasment for hockey. (two goals dissallowed, where the second one really should have counted and some very obvious missed calls).

When it gets to international hockey many canadians loos their senses and only see things from their view. They think its whining from bad loosers but the problem I think is they are bad loosers themselves. You see normally one don´t need excuses if you lose to a better team. I don´t know any other sport (and I watch a lot of sports) where euros complain this much over refs. And in this case it is always canada getting the blame. Coincidence???

People on this board thinking this game was reffed ok and that Markstrom was only diving should see the game one more time and take off the Canadian glasses.

The comments during the game made me sick and I think I will not go to this board again, though I have been following it since 2003. Not I big loss to the board perhaps but sad for me.

This is like the fifth time I've had to explain this, but I'll keep doing it until people can get their facts straight before saying we cheated the Swedish players. You say we shipped them out to the suburbs to practice. This tells me you have never ever been anywhere near Scotiabank Place. They were sent to practice at the Bell Sensplex which is literally a one minute drive up Palladium Drive (the street Scotiabank Place is on). Secondly, it seems as if you're suggesting they were made to practice in some sub-standard arena. This is also untrue. Want to know why they call it the Sensplex? Yup, you guessed it. The sens practice there some of the time. It's a beautiful facility, I've been there many times. If it's good enough for NHL'ers it's certainly good enough for a Swedish junior team.

All I'm saying is that its common curtosy in any sport that you get to practice on game-day on the arena you are set to play at. Especially when it comes to icehockey where the difference on board bounces and level on the ice can be crucial. I'm not saying that this is where we lost the game but the icehockey nation Canada is world leading when it comes to getting that little edge before the game.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

**** the Soviet Union, all it stood for and anyone who supports the tyranny and suffering it brought along with it.

Have a nice day :)

You were quite clear: **** the Soviet hockey team - for this is what you really said. Which also means **** '72, '75, '79, '81, '87 by transitivity, and the Canadian Event of the Century among them. Bites back kind of.

Well this was my last one, cheers.

This thread is hilarious to any neutral party. Both sides look like 12 year old kids going "my dad is better than your dad".


Any side accusing the other of whining should look at themselves first.

Sweden got 7 powerplays
Sweden got away with so much crap


So no, they don't.

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The comments during the game made me sick and I think I will not go to this board again, though I have been following it since 2003. Not I big loss to the board perhaps but sad for me.

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All I'm saying is that its common curtosy in any sport that you get to practice on game-day on the arena you are set to play at. Especially when it comes to icehockey where the difference on board bounces and level on the ice can be crucial. I'm not saying that this is where we lost the game but the icehockey nation Canada is world leading when it comes to getting that little edge before the game.If it makes any difference at all then it seems like that should be one of the easiest areas for the rest of the world to catch up on.

All I'm saying is that its common curtosy in any sport that you get to practice on game-day on the arena you are set to play at. Especially when it comes to icehockey where the difference on board bounces and level on the ice can be crucial. I'm not saying that this is where we lost the game but the icehockey nation Canada is world leading when it comes to getting that little edge before the game.

Can you tell me why they were sent away? Or you just heard they were and decided to use it as further evidence of the conspiracy theory that has now cost your country gold two years in a row? Ever think there may have been a valid reason for them being sent away?

And yes, I'm sure we sent them to that other facility just to get that "little edge before the game" as you put it. What surely would've been a win for Sweden was turned into a 5-1 trouncing because they had to practice at Sensplex.

But I cant understand what the referee was doing when Esposito was running over Markström and Hedman donkeypunch him aftwards. That was clearly 2 men who should have been spending 2 minutes in the box and then Esposito wouldnt have been able to make it 2-0.

when a goalie starts flying around like he's shot (and everyone has to admit that he was embellishing the contact) the refs are more inclined to not call a penalty because afterall, was he really hit or did he just dive? As far as Hedman, i suspect he didn't get a penalty because the ref didn't want to be seen as biased by giving sweden a penalty when you know that non canadian fans would be screaming for a penalty on the guy who "ran" the goaltender.

This thread is hilarious to any neutral party. Both sides look like 12 year old kids going "my dad is better than your dad".

Any side accusing the other of whining should look at themselves first.

You must be the smug 13 year old.

You were quite clear: **** the Soviet hockey team - for this is what you really said. Which also means **** '72, '75, '79, '81, '87 by transitivity, and the Canadian Event of the Century among them. Bites back kind of.

Well this was my last one, cheers.

No, what I meant was **** the soviet union in it's entirety, . I think you either have a learning disability or the whole english thing is not one of your strong points. Must be the product of the Soviet educational system.

Cheers.

All I'm saying is that its common curtosy in any sport that you get to practice on game-day on the arena you are set to play at. Especially when it comes to icehockey where the difference on board bounces and level on the ice can be crucial. I'm not saying that this is where we lost the game but the icehockey nation Canada is world leading when it comes to getting that little edge before the game.

Actually, IIRC, this incident happened before the semi-final, not the final.

God, it's like the entire nation of Sweden is just one giant magnifying glass that ignores the massive "0 on the PP sign" and focuses on the minutiae of everything.

Thank God there wasn't an American ref. Not that it didn't stop the whining about the officiating but I'm sure the fact that it was four Europeans toned down the continental fervor of it.

I think I will not go to this board again, though I have been following it since 2003. Not I big loss to the board perhaps but sad for me.

At least you got one thing right out of that long post.

This thread is hilarious to any neutral party. Both sides look like 12 year old kids going "my dad is better than your dad".


Any side accusing the other of whining should look at themselves first.

Shouldn't you be on Canada's side ? :sarcasm:

Suburb?

It's a 2 minute drive or a 10 minute walk away.

It's the SENATORS practice facility.

Even the OTTAWA SENATORS get dressed at SBP and then drive in their cars to the Sensplex when they practice there.

Read my post just before. Ok suburb was a long stretch, I didnt know the whole story.

BTW, I'm not sure why Sweden would expect to get the best dressing room at the WCs. Isn't it home ice advantage for a reason? Should the Canadian fans cheer for Sweden too, because they're ranked #1? Does being ranked #1 make them boo-proof?

This is getting ridiculous.

1) No. The country who is ranked #1 get to choose the dressing room first. Nothing to do with home ice advantage. And who says its home ice, its just that Canada is the host. The game is really on "neutral" ground.

2) Of course they shouldnt cheer for Sweden. I've never stated otherwise. And no #1 doesnt make them boo-proof, where did I state that? Why does it even have to be boo's? Havent we already said that "they should handle it"... "they are ought to be pros so they should be able to play anyway". So why boo? I'm just asking for a general opinion, this occurs in Sweden aswell so thereforth I'm wondering.

All I'm saying is that its common curtosy in any sport that you get to practice on game-day on the arena you are set to play at. Especially when it comes to icehockey where the difference on board bounces and level on the ice can be crucial. I'm not saying that this is where we lost the game but the icehockey nation Canada is world leading when it comes to getting that little edge before the game.

That's not true at all, in the NHL most teams practice at facilities away from the rink game day and all. Especially in the cites where NHL and NBA teams share the arena due to the fact that sometimes the crews there havn't gotten the ice ready after an NBA game the night before.

But I like where you guys are going

1)Blame the refs
2)Blame the dressing room
3)Blame the practice arena

What's next????

Oh my the excuses, lets see:
- refs
- practice facilities(that are on the same street!)
- dressing room advantages (hilarious!)

1) No. The country who is ranked #1 get to choose the dressing room first. Nothing to do with home ice advantage. And who says its home ice, its just that Canada is the host. The game is really on "neutral" ground.

So the dressing rooms weren't a problem then. Pretty sure they don't rank U-20 teams because the player pool is constantly changing but maybe 4 straight golds going into this years tournament would have earned us the right to the home dressing room? Ya, that's probably it.

Who says it's home ice? All the other Swedish fans who claim we influence, bribe, threaten the refs into favoring us. You're one of the very few reasonable Swedish posters I've seen. When you make a mistake like the arena switch for practice you can at least accept you were wrong, which is seemingly impossible for some others. For this I applaud you :handclap:

Can you tell me why they were sent away? Or you just heard they were and decided to use it as further evidence of the conspiracy theory that has now cost your country gold two years in a row? Ever think there may have been a valid reason for them being sent away?

And yes, I'm sure we sent them to that other facility just to get that "little edge before the game" as you put it. What surely would've been a win for Sweden was turned into a 5-1 trouncing because they had to practice at Sensplex.

This is what happends when someone doesnt read the whole thread. I clearly stated in a previous post that I do not think the Swedes would have won: either if they got another powerplay or they got to train on scotiabank palace or if Esposito was in the box and wouldnt have made it 2-0. Their problems was beyond that. Canada won fair and square.

I just love humble canadians:handclap:




wait...there are none.:help:

I just love humble canadians:handclap:




wait...there are none.:help:

I just love reasonable Swedes who can accept they lost fair and square :handclap:

wait...there are like 5 on this board.:help:

I just love humble canadians:handclap:




wait...there are none.:help:

Wow thanks for the blanket characterization of an entire country based on the posts of a small few representatives.

Dare I draw conclusions on the entire European population based on a few of it's representatives in this thread?

So the dressing rooms weren't a problem then. Pretty sure they don't rank U-20 teams because the player pool is constantly changing but maybe 4 straight golds going into this years tournament would have earned us the right to the home dressing room? Ya, that's probably it.

You have me mistaken. I was refering to the world championship, the senior one last spring.

Who says it's home ice? All the other Swedish fans who claim we influence, bribe, threaten the refs into favoring us. You're one of the very few reasonable Swedish posters I've seen. When you make a mistake like the arena switch for practice you can at least accept you were wrong, which is seemingly impossible for some others. For this I applaud you :handclap:

I've been reading this forum for a long while but havent registered but after last night I felt that I have to. Just to show that not all swedes are arses and crybabies, some actually have a little distance. And second, I have to point how satisfied I am with the much lesser chance of Esposito ever being a Penguin after the Hossa-trade. Damn *****.

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The fact that refs are always favoring Canada when the game is played in Canada is not something that comes from whining swedes at this board it is more or less common knowledge around the hockey world outside Canada.

Lies, I have lived outside of Canada and I call BS.

But Canadians have very hard to understand this even if it is quite obvious for sensible people. They (not all canadiens there are some sensible ones on this board I know, but there seem to have been an invation of narrow minded hockey idiots lately) say its about tough play, but how it is tough to run over the goalie (even if he exaggerates slightly it doesn´t make it ok)

Slightly? Obvious for sensible people? Lies again. What game were you watching the guys mask has C4 under it every time he gets bumped or the wind blows on him. The guy was flopping around like a big Yellow whale and that just attracts attention from the other team to nudge him every chance they get. It happens every week in the NHL and in the CHL, but we play hockey over here, and I am not too sure what your talking about does Sweden have some extra rules were not aware of? The ref did a alright job calling that game get over the fact your goalie was making a complete fool of himself out there.

It is also interesting to see the video form CC 87 posted in this thread, the ridiculous diving from both Lemieux and Gretzky. Some Canadiens are such hypocrits:

Please, give me a break if you call that diving then Markstrom is freaking Micheal Phelps for Ch**** sakes.

The goalie (the canadian) is untouchable, yet the very often run into the golie of the opposing team. And in this game when Hedman stoud up for his golie (like any canadian would have done, Esposito turtles and everyone thinks only Hedman should have a penalty.

Ok here is where your not getting it. Goalies are run every day in the CHL and NHL Just last week Kipper was run pretty hard, but instead of flopping around a crying bloody murder he gets up and brushes himself off like a consummate professional. It happens lots and not just with Canadian players, get you head out of your ***.

And the diving which euros are accused of, look at Gretzky and Lemieux in the posted video from CC 87.. Tavares in this game and so on.

:shakehead

Some poster in this thread wanted proof of refs favoring Canada and got one from CC 87. Another example is Russia vs Canada in World Cup 96. It was almost comical how Terry Gregson favourd the canadians, even the swedish commentators thought it was an embarrasment for hockey. (two goals dissallowed, where the second one really should have counted and some very obvious missed calls).

Missed calls happen, however I do not think there is a special rule book in the IIHF or should I call it the EIHF stating that refs should favor Canada. Missed goals happen and does not indicate a conspiracy quite crying. :cry:


When it gets to international hockey many Europeans lose their senses and only see things from their view. They think its whining from bad losers but the problem I think is they are bad losers themselves. You see normally one don´t need excuses if you lose to a better team. I don´t know any other sport (and I watch a lot of sports) where euros complain this much over refs (Football). And in this case it is always canada getting the blame. Coincidence???

Fixed

People on this board thinking this game was reffed ok and that Markstrom was only diving should see the game one more time and take off the Canadian glasses.

My American Friend was laughing pretty hard and Flopstrom. Even the Chinese guy across the hall was having a chuckle wonder why he was diving like that (he is new to hockey). It was painfully obvious why cant you see that?
Perhaps you need to take the goggles off or are they welded to your head?

The comments during the game made me sick and I think I will not go to this board again, though I have been following it since 2003. Not I big loss to the board perhaps but sad for me.

Bye


That was funny.

This is what happends when someone doesnt read the whole thread. I clearly stated in a previous post that I do not think the Swedes would have won: either if they got another powerplay or they got to train on scotiabank palace or if Esposito was in the box and wouldnt have made it 2-0. Their problems was beyond that. Canada won fair and square.You've at least tried to ask some real questions, like your misunderstanding of the Della Rovere/Markstrom/Cormier penalties. I think most posters' problems are with other, not so reasonable posts.

...This message is hidden because Nordic is on your ignore list.

Wait, did I just see a post about the better dressing room excuse? :laugh:

Na, we sucked in pp yesterday and had more chances in pp then canada so we cant blame refs there, but otherwise yes, i have been frustrated many times while watching canada vs X and seen how things go their way all the time. its not LUCK its because all that matters is winning and they can pay a ref or kill a player or whatever, winning matters and im ****ing jelaous that swedes cant act like that too, i like winning but we dont do that here these days :(

Wow thanks for the blanket characterization of an entire country based on the posts of a small few representatives.

Dare I draw conclusions on the entire European population based on a few of it's representatives in this thread?

I have read like one post here, where a canadian have acted humble after the win. That's the main reason canadian hockey fans have the rep the have.

I'm admittedly a sore loser, but if we had won I wouldn't been a jerk about it.

I just love humble canadians:handclap:




wait...there are none.:help:

:laugh:

It took you 40 minutes to realize you ran out of excuses and so you posted this gem?

I have read like one post here, where a canadian have acted humble after the win. That's the main reason canadian hockey fans have the rep the have.

I'm admittedly a sore loser, but if we had won I wouldn't been a jerk about it.

That is a blatant lie or just a gross misrepresentation to try and qualify your point, which is not valid.

I have read like one post here, where a canadian have acted humble after the win. That's the main reason canadian hockey fans have the rep the have.

I'm admittedly a sore loser, but if we had won I wouldn't been a jerk about it.

And we would not have been such babies if we lost.

Do refs generally favour Canada on the international scene?

Why can't you just accept the fact that we have a better team. This is ridiculous. How can anyone respect you if you can't accept the fact that you team has lost to us 2 years in a row fair and square.

Deal with it.

That is a blatant lie or just a gross misrepresentation to try and qualify your point, which is not valid.

I'm serious. Where are all these posts from humble canadian hockey fans?


Why can't you just accept the fact that we have a better team. This is ridiculous. How can anyone respect you if you can't accept the fact that you team has lost to us 2 years in a row fair and square.

Deal with it.

Your only responses seems to be that you have a better team and that our pp sucks; guess what, I agree with you and have never said otherwise. That's totally irrelevant though, but that doesn't seem to matter.

And we would not have been such babies if we lost.

So you would just accept that refs screw you over every single time you face said nation?

I didn't read the entire thread, so sorry if this has already been said.

If the refs favoured Canada as much as some think, the probably would have called Hedman for headlocking Espo and then punching him, the other Swede for biting Hickey and the blatant too many men on the ice.

Calls were missed for both teams. It happens. Too bad some people can't deal with it like rational, mature human beings.

Na, we sucked in pp yesterday and had more chances in pp then canada so we cant blame refs there, but otherwise yes, i have been frustrated many times while watching canada vs X and seen how things go their way all the time. its not LUCK its because all that matters is winning and they can pay a ref or kill a player or whatever, winning matters and im ****ing jelaous that swedes cant act like that too, i like winning but we dont do that here these days :(

at the risk of turning into one of the ignorant xenophobes... perhaps the reason you seem to think the Canadians can get away with doing anything maybe it's because you don't know what good physical hockey is.... Contact is allowed in hockey, Canada prides itself on playing a tough physical as well as skilled brand of hockey, our players generally know how to walk the line and play to the edge without going over.

I'm serious. Where are all these posts from humble canadian hockey fans?

It's called the PGT. Try reading it objectively. I saw much praise for Sweden and their play by many Canadians. As I saw praise for the Canadian team and how they played by Swedish fans. I also saw poor sportsmanship from both sides. For you to say only one post when there are clearly hundreds is ridiculous unless, of course, your sole intent is to incite without actually being able to support what you claim.

The poll is not about the WJHC exclusively, but the international hockey, where the record is not so stellar

Its amazing how cocky the Russians have gotten after 1 World Championship victory in what, the last 8 years?

I think that the answer depends on how biased you are. This is not a perfect world, so there is always room for nitpicking. If a team has one gold in the last 30 years, then you could say that they can only be competitive in the Gold Medal game with a little help from the refs :nod: . Or, you can say that a team that wins their fifth straight Gold had help from the refs :shakehead . We can all be pretty stubborn so of course we are all always right :) .

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So you would just accept that refs screw you over every single time you face said nation?[/QUOTE]

The ref's did not screw Sweden over.

It was Cormier with the cross-check and he got a 2 minute penalty.

Della Rovere interferred with Markstrom and got a 2 minute penalty.

Sweden retaliated and got a 2 minute penalty.

If I remember correctly Markstrom's mask cam flying off like it had explosive charges under it (what is with that?) and I believe the international rule is that the whistle is blown as soon as that happens.

Seems about right.

Are you sure? Now you have me thinking but I'm quite positive that I both saw and heared that it was Della Rovere that got the crosschek. But hmm... That sounds more reasonable that it was Cormier as Della had to be rather fast to get to the other side and check Markström. Who truly embellished the situation as that usually work in Sweden.

If you watch a replay of the late Eberle goal closely, you will see a ref pushing the Russian goalie and throwing the puck in the net.

This is the best hockey country on paper, especially in the Juniors. No one can deny that. These kids learn how to gel and play together whereas our men have a hard time doing the same. It's not some big surprise to see Canada win. There's a reason over 50% of NHL players come from this little country of 32 million.

Get a life you sore losers.

E.g. What happend with the Della Rovere incident? The puck goes out the canadien zone, Della Rovere then crosscheck Carl Gustafsson to the ice then once more. A delayed penalty is called: Markström tries to get the bench, Della Rovere comes from nowhere and checks him. Markström and 2-3 other swedes runs up to him have a little tumble. All guys on the ice have a little pillow-fight. Outcome? 5vs4 penalty for Sweden and Della Rovere got two minutes. Which one he called? I dont know. Why did he blow the whistle when Della Rovere checked Markström if his intention wasnt to call a penalty and no one was injured? I dont know.





Della Rovere wasn't the one who got the cross checking penalty. The other Canadian got that penalty. Della Rovere got a penalty for running into Markstrom, and then Markstrom got a penalty for the swings he took at Della Rovere. Canadians committed two penalties during the play, and 3 Swedes were throwing punches/swinging sticks after the play. If reffing favoured Canada, they would have evened up the penalties.

I didn't read the entire thread, so sorry if this has already been said.

If the refs favoured Canada as much as some think, the probably would have called Hedman for headlocking Espo and then punching him, the other Swede for biting Hickey and the blatant too many men on the ice.

Calls were missed for both teams. It happens. Too bad some people can't deal with it like rational, mature human beings.

I'm just curious. How would any official spot that situation when it took us 2 replays and a camera angle thru the goal to spot that Hickey stick his finger (where is his glove btw?) up someones visor and then twisting his hand like crazy afterwards. And the situation occurs in a snake pile while 10 guys + 1 goalie is tumbling.

So you would just accept that refs screw you over every single time you face said nation?

LOL.

Are you sure? Now you have me thinking but I'm quite positive that I both saw and heared that it was Della Rovere that got the crosschek. But hmm... That sounds more reasonable that it was Cormier as Della had to be rather fast to get to the other side and check Markström. Who truly embellished the situation as that usually work in Sweden.Yes I'm sure. Cormier and Della Rovere were both in the penalty box.

If you watch a replay of the late Eberle goal closely, you will see a ref pushing the Russian goalie and throwing the puck in the net.

This is the best hockey country on paper, especially in the Juniors. No one can deny that. These kids learn how to gel and play together whereas our men have a hard time doing the same. It's not some big surprise to see Canada win. There's a reason over 50% of NHL players come from this little country of 32 million.

Get a life you sore losers.

Oh thats really mature.


Della Rovere wasn't the one who got the cross checking penalty. The other Canadian got that penalty. Della Rovere got a penalty for running into Markstrom, and then Markstrom got a penalty for the swings he took at Della Rovere. Canadians committed two penalties during the play, and 3 Swedes were throwing punches/swinging sticks after the play. If reffing favoured Canada, they would have evened up the penalties.

Yeah and you claim that we exaggerate. ;) I saw plenty of punches going around for everyone.

Do refs generally favour Canada on the international scene?

The stupidity of your poll is astounding.

There's one question you need to ask yourself. Why would international refs favour Canada? You answer me with with a creditable response and I'll no longer see you as the missing link that proves the Theory of Evolution.

The stupidity of your poll is astounding.

There's one question you need to ask yourself. Why would international refs favour Canada? You answer me with with a creditable response and I'll no longer see you as the missing link that proves the Theory of Evolution.

According to swedish broadcasters: Canada decides everything, they control the IIHF, they control the referees. So if you do a "bad game" for Canada, you wouldnt get that many international games. This is not my opinion as I am not that involved as the highly involved on swedish television.

According to swedish broadcasters: .


This is pathetic on a whole new level if your national media is now spouting this crap.

According to swedish broadcasters: Canada decides everything, they control the IIHF, they control the referees. So if you do a "bad game" for Canada, you wouldnt get that many international games. This is not my opinion as I am not that involved as the highly involved on swedish television.

Ohhhh so thats why the swedish fans on here talk like they are brainwashed, because that actually are! Its plain and simple, Canada had the best team once again this year, and they proved it.

What possible reason would the refs have for favouring Canada? Are the referees in interntional games not international referees? Often from European countries of the IIHF?

I hear this often from American hockey fans of the NHL when they say in NHL games that Canadian referees are helping Canadian teams (another false conspiracy), but in an IIHF game, why would the officials be favouring Canada?

Canada has won many international tournaments but it has also done poorly in some like the last Olympic games.

The refs tried to get Sweden in the game last night. They failed over and over. Just hire a Canadian to teach Sweden to score on the PP. I was upset Sweden could not make a game of it. Canada played there best game and Sweden had no answer at all.

It's called the PGT. Try reading it objectively. I saw much praise for Sweden and their play by many Canadians. As I saw praise for the Canadian team and how they played by Swedish fans. I also saw poor sportsmanship from both sides. For you to say only one post when there are clearly hundreds is ridiculous unless, of course, your sole intent is to incite without actually being able to support what you claim.

On this forum, I have seen one post that was humble and where the poster took the "high road".

If anyone else did, then I haven't realized that they were canadian. Even so, they are a minority.

Ironically, for years Canadian executives, players and fans said they have received the short end of the stick from European referees, simply because the European officials call the clean, hard hits that need to be part of the game. It's not as much of an issue now, since many European nations have put an added emphasis on physical play in the last 10-15 years. (It was a big part of Finland's success at all level late in the 90s and earlier in this decade).
Damn right! :yo:

As for this gem of a topic at hand:
The refs in WHC:s are usually quite bad.
I've been watching international tourneys since 1994 without missing any WHC or Olympic tournament. The reffing quality is very dependant on the skill of the particular referee/s not so much which countries are playing.

Every game seems to have their own rules and the lack of consistency is quite annoying when in one game every big hit will be called whether it's clean or not when in others it will be allowed.

I also recall quite a lot of whining by canadians about referees back in 2006 WHC bronze match game when Finland won Canada 5-0. Whether the games outcome is severly affected by bad calls or not it seems to be the standard reaction to blame the refs after a big loss whether you are canadian or not.

Oh and btw I do not think refs generally favour Canada on the international scene.

lol I can't believe people actually think that the reffing was in Canada's favor last night. At best it was even. At worst it was significantly in Sweden's favor.

Yeah and you claim that we exaggerate. ;) I saw plenty of punches going around for everyone.



Honest question, what kind of feed were you guys watching this game on? It seems alot of the after the whistle scrums behind the plays were not seen by some posters. Where people watching the TSN feed were generally given 2-3 close up camera angles of each scrum in high definition.

According to swedish broadcasters: Canada decides everything, they control the IIHF, they control the referees. So if you do a "bad game" for Canada, you wouldnt get that many international games. This is not my opinion as I am not that involved as the highly involved on swedish television.

Is this really what the Swedish media says? I love Sweden and I love Europe but this stupidity has me losing respect for them...unless it's Aftonbladet.

On this forum, I have seen one post that was humble and where the poster took the "high road".

If anyone else did, then I haven't realized that they were canadian. Even so, they are a minority.

So your talking about this thread? The thread started by a bitter, Swedish fan who is flat out making stuff up to argue Sweden was screwed? Everyone in this thread is being harsh with you because you are being unreasonable and everyone can see you are flat out wrong. Look at the big picture.

Canadas new president is Don Corleone ..i guess we made an offer the officials couldnt refuse !!!

I'm just curious. How would any official spot that situation when it took us 2 replays and a camera angle thru the goal to spot that Hickey stick his finger (where is his glove btw?) up someones visor and then twisting his hand like crazy afterwards. And the situation occurs in a snake pile while 10 guys + 1 goalie is tumbling.



Ah ha! Are you saying there are inherent limitations with reffing as it is and sometimes, penalties will be missed/not called?

Maybe the question Swedish media should be asking is why have the refs generally hated Sweden since 1981 since they haven't won the gold for 30 years??? :P Seriously, Canada wasn't even a great power in the WJC (or it's predecessors) for many years but Sweden has always been losing.

This is nothing against Sweden. I love Swedish hockey. I'm just pointing out how silly your argument is and how you can turn it around and say something else.

Ohhhh so thats why the swedish fans on here talk like they are brainwashed, because that actually are! Its plain and simple, Canada had the best team once again this year, and they proved it.

Of course thats why. Everything depends on the broadcast. What angle they are viewing from or what their focused at. Our broadcast was all about the "situations" on Markström we saw them like 20 times in replay so we saw e.g. how intentional it was by Esposito. Or how intetional Della Rovere was.

And I'm quite certain that TSN or Don Cherry didnt have the same angle as we had. So you have been told to think otherwise. It's all about keeping your head above the sand and looking at the situation without blue-yellow or red-white eyes.

Markstrom embellished the contacts, I'll give you that. But when the ref didn't bother with a penalty after the first hit, I guess he felt that he needed to make it more clear the next time. If the ref had taken the first one like he should, none of this would've happend.

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Which hit was that? Can you tell me what was the first hit on Markstrom?

Nordic you're being senseless in your arguments.

I admit that at the beginning of the game I thought Canada was playing too rough for IIHF standards, but they got called for their actions on almost every play.

In the other hand, I also felt that the refs were giving the Sweden MANY chances to get back into the game with the numerous powerplays and missed calls and dives by Markstrom.

It's hypocritical of your part of implying that the refs favour Canada on the international scene when the penalties and chances were less then even for the host country, while the refs are from other countries themselves.

Originally Posted by Valic
Della Rovere wasn't the one who got the cross checking penalty. The other Canadian got that penalty. Della Rovere got a penalty for running into Markstrom, and then Markstrom got a penalty for the swings he took at Della Rovere. Canadians committed two penalties during the play, and 3 Swedes were throwing punches/swinging sticks after the play. If reffing favoured Canada, they would have evened up the penalties.

Yeah and you claim that we exaggerate. I saw plenty of punches going around for everyone.



What about after the collision between Markstrom and Esposito. The Swedish player had Esposito in a head lock and threw a punch. On another play in the swedish goal crease there was a Canadian player getting his head shoved into the Ice.
Sweeden should be thankful it was not NHL rules or there would have been alot of ass kicking.
I don't understand the Ref bias at all. It is the Northamerican players who have to adapt to International rules. Hell it was only a few years ago where Int. Refs would call roughing penalties for clean body checks.
I don't understand why fans have to be sore losers. No game is perfectly reffed and never will be. True championship teams find way's to win and some losing teams try to find execuses as to why they lost.
grow up people refereeing was a non factor in this game.

Is this really what the Swedish media says? I love Sweden and I love Europe but this stupidity has me losing respect for them...unless it's Aftonbladet.

I think Canada complains about the IIHF more than anyone. We are not even allowed to wear our team Canada Jerseys at the Olympics in Vancouver because the IIHF doesn't want us our hockey association's symbol on it.

I think this view point is a little off.

According to swedish broadcasters: Canada decides everything, they control the IIHF, they control the referees. So if you do a "bad game" for Canada, you wouldnt get that many international games. This is not my opinion as I am not that involved as the highly involved on swedish television.



Ha ha! Really? That's rich. Can you please post some translated text of what the Swedish broadcasters are saying?

I would love to read it.

On this forum, I have seen one post that was humble and where the poster took the "high road".

If anyone else did, then I haven't realized that they were canadian. Even so, they are a minority.

And as a Canadian poster I take offense to that as I am certain I made no denigrating posts directed at Sweden or any other nation.

What do you define as the "high road"? Agreeing wholly and completely with your position?

And just out of curiosity what was your intent with this thread? Did you think it would illicit humble responses when you suggest that Canada wins purely but an unfair advantage?

Ah ha! Are you saying there are inherent limitations with reffing as it is and sometimes, penalties will be missed/not called?


Of course I am. I am a referee myself. I know how hard it is. On the other hand I know how easy it is to spot these high sticks and "intentional collisions" as the only intention is to throw the other guy off balance as the injury-level of these collisions are very limited.

The refs tried to get Sweden in the game last night. They failed over and over. Just hire a Canadian to teach Sweden to score on the PP. I was upset Sweden could not make a game of it. Canada played there best game and Sweden had no answer at all.

I don't know if our pp sucked royally, or if your pk was amazing. It was probably a little (much) of both.

At the same time our pk was shaky at best, while your pp was dangerous every single time. We looked really scared and made the box so small that you had all the time and space in the world to be creative.

Special teams was just pure dominance from Canada.



Side note. During Soviets/Russias dynasty, were there ever any comments about the reffing? No, they won all by themselves. If any other team made the finals, noone would argue that they´re always favoured by the refs. It's only the canadians, and it's the same thing every tournament.

It's not cause you are the best, cause there's no argument that you are - there's simply some truth in the fact that you on a regular basis get favoured by the refs.

I don't know why you as the fans take it personally. Noone is belitteling your team, they are the best. They don't need refs without balls to help them, they'll win anyway. Atleast at this level.

I used to be able to read the free agendas given out while going through high school. Now that I'm done, I just need to to a search for Bilros/Nordic.

Not saying I agree or disagree with anything here, it's just fun to watch.

Is this really what the Swedish media says? I love Sweden and I love Europe but this stupidity has me losing respect for them...unless it's Aftonbladet.

Lost respect for them? How is this any different than what Don Cherry's been doing forever?

Of course thats why. Everything depends on the broadcast. What angle they are viewing from or what their focused at. Our broadcast was all about the "situations" on Markström we saw them like 20 times in replay so we saw e.g. how intentional it was by Esposito. Or how intetional Della Rovere was.

And I'm quite certain that TSN or Don Cherry didnt have the same angle as we had. So you have been told to think otherwise. It's all about keeping your head above the sand and looking at the situation without blue-yellow or red-white eyes.


Esposito was going for the puck and Markstrom left his crease to charge for the puck. What the heck do you think is going to happen. This is not a penalty in any league. The swedish player then gave Esposito a headlock and threw a punch.No penalty there was there?

Of course I am. I am a referee myself. I know how hard it is. On the other hand I know how easy it is to spot these high sticks and "intentional collisions" as the only intention is to throw the other guy off balance as the injury-level of these collisions are very limited.



The headlock and punches by Hedman on Esposito were pretty easy to spot I'd say.

It goes both ways. Sorry your team couldn't overcome, but they just weren't all that good last night. Canada was the better team pretty much throughout.

Of course thats why. Everything depends on the broadcast. What angle they are viewing from or what their focused at. Our broadcast was all about the "situations" on Markström we saw them like 20 times in replay so we saw e.g. how intentional it was by Esposito. Or how intetional Della Rovere was.

And I'm quite certain that TSN or Don Cherry didnt have the same angle as we had. So you have been told to think otherwise. It's all about keeping your head above the sand and looking at the situation without blue-yellow or red-white eyes.

Espisito was stretching for the puck, he was trying to avoid Markstrom. It was incidental contact. The reason there was no call was because of how Markstrom acted when he was hit. Refs dont like divers. If they called Espisito for interference then they would have had to called Hedman for the headlock and punch to the head. What is the penalty for a blatant punch to the head in international hockey? The way I look at the exchange is the refs didn't want to give Hedman a match penalty or misconduct so they looked the other way on the whole situation.

I think Canada complains about the IIHF more than anyone. We are not even allowed to wear our team Canada Jerseys at the Olympics in Vancouver because the IIHF doesn't want us our hockey association's symbol on it.

I think this view point is a little off.

That has nothing to do with Canada but a greedy private company who wants to make money by selling their jersey's and logos and trying to equate their private company logo (Hockey Canada is a private for profit company) with the actual country and national pride. Yes, Hockey Canada is our hockey association but it's not our national flag and it's not our country. There is no reason for our team to wear that logo aside from Hockey Canada wanting to make sponsorship money and royalties.

Lost respect for them? How is this any different than what Don Cherry's been doing forever?

You act as tho Don Cherry speaks for Canada, Canadian Media, or Hockey Canada.

Don Cherry is a side show. He is an opinionated blowhard who has a 5 minute segmant after the first period on one Canadian channel. He is the equivalent of a opinion peice on page 30 of a newspaper.

Is this really what the Swedish media says? I love Sweden and I love Europe but this stupidity has me losing respect for them...unless it's Aftonbladet.

Sweden has you losing respect for Europe :help:

2 scenarios:

1. A bad call is made in favor of Canada. Canada goes on the pp and scores. Opposing teams fans remember such robbery.

2. A bad call is made against Canada. The opposing team goes on the pp and scores. Canada fans remember such robbery.

The first scenario just seems to happen more which leads to these conspiracy nuts. By that I mean Canada is so deadly on pp that if the call wasn't justified the opposing teams fans go berzerk.

Lost respect for them? How is this any different than what Don Cherry's been doing forever?

Because Don Cherry = Canadian national media?

Saying that Canada is favored by the officiating, is belittling the team. It is basically saying that if Canada did not have the refs on their side they would not have won. You are implying that Team Canada is cheating in order to win. Therefore you are belittling not only the players but also their accomplishments as a team, because as you say, the officiating gives them an unfair advantage.

Both USA and Canada usually get NHL referees, who are always North American, for their international games. There was (and probably still is) a clause that mandated that every Olympic game where at least 50% of the players were from NHL teams would be refereed by NHL refs (which would always be the case when either USA or Canada was playing). I won't comment on whether the refs can be impartial or not, but I'm pretty sure many posters in here wouldn't be happy if eg. Russia or Sweden got referees from their local leagues for their own matches (and it's not exactly the same thing, since the refs would be from USA for Canada's matches and vice versa). At least here in Finland, the media would sometimes claim that the NHL refs showed preferential treatment for the two North American teams, which sounds similar to what's happening in Sweden now.

I don't know if our pp sucked royally, or if your pk was amazing. It was probably a little (much) of both.

At the same time our pk was shaky at best, while your pp was dangerous every single time. We looked really scared and made the box so small that you had all the time and space in the world to be creative.

Special teams was just pure dominance from Canada.



Side note. During Soviets/Russias dynasty, were there ever any comments about the reffing? No, they won all by themselves. If any other team made the finals, noone would argue that they´re always favoured by the refs. It's only the canadians, and it's the same thing every tournament.

It's not cause you are the best, cause there's no argument that you are - there's simply some truth in the fact that you on a regular basis get favoured by the refs.

I don't know why you as the fans take it personally. Noone is belitteling your team, they are the best. They don't need refs without balls to help them, they'll win anyway. Atleast at this level.

You need to take a breather. Refs were actually pretty good last night and its not because there is favortism to Canada. Canada has on many instances got shafted by the refs in these tourny's so your assumption is out to lunch. You should be happy that Sweden got a silver they have come a long way the last few years when Sweden wanted to teach systems instead of Skill. How many pp does Sweden need for the love of god. Anyways i am leaving this thread to many sore losers looking for excuses.

You would think after 30 years of losing the Swedes would come up with better excuses than ..the refs cheated our media says so !!! nah nah nah nah nah

Of course thats why. Everything depends on the broadcast. What angle they are viewing from or what their focused at. Our broadcast was all about the "situations" on Markström we saw them like 20 times in replay so we saw e.g. how intentional it was by Esposito. Or how intetional Della Rovere was.

And I'm quite certain that TSN or Don Cherry didnt have the same angle as we had. So you have been told to think otherwise. It's all about keeping your head above the sand and looking at the situation without blue-yellow or red-white eyes.

Actually i really haven't heard Don Cherry or any of the TSN analysts point of view on it, i don't need it. I am a grown man and can think for myself. Sure Esposito could have been called for a penalty, and Markstrom could have been called for a dive. So they offset each other which makes it a wash.

Della Rovere was called for a penalty, how is that even worth mentioning? what more do you want?

You act as tho Don Cherry speaks for Canada, Canadian Media, or Hockey Canada.

Don Cherry is a side show. He is an opinionated blowhard who has a 5 minute segmant after the first period on one Canadian channel. He is the equivalent of a opinion peice on page 30 of a newspaper.


Whether you agree or disagree with him doesn't matter. You know as well as I do he's as popular a person as you can be in Canada......and a fixture in Canadian hockey for ages.

Didn't you guys vote him in the top 10 of all time Canadians too?:help:


Considering as such, some of you saying you've lost respect for Sweden because of what some their broadcasters are saying is outright comical.

People seriously need to QUIT whining about about the first collision. Hedman deserved a penalty on that play too. There is no situation where Sweden would get a power play on that play.

Canada was the better team yesterday. With that said, Canadians should reasses their aproach to winning. It's not THAT you win, it's HOW you win that matters. I'd never support a team that has no honor.

People seriously need to QUIT whining about about the first collision. Hedman deserved a penalty on that play too. There is no situation where Sweden would get a power play on that play.

It's should have been a GAME MISCONDUCT!!! He shouldn't have been alowed to score that goal right after that discusting cheapshot on Markström. He should have been sent to the locker room.

Well it all makes sense now. Your media propagates this myth that Canada is favoured by the refs so it's only natural that many Swedes start believing it.

You would think after 30 years of losing the Swedes would come up with better excuses than ..the refs cheated our media says so !!! nah nah nah nah nah

30 years of losing?

Sweden is the reigning best v best champion.


http://www.sharkspage.com/jpgs2/swe_goldmedal_covers.jpg

It's should have been a GAME MISCONDUCT!!! He shouldn't have been alowed to score that goal right after that discusting cheapshot on Markström. He should have been sent to the locker room.

LOL. You don't really think that do you? It is hilarious that Swedish fans really think he deserved a game misconduct. Thank you for the laugh.

Whether you agree or disagree with him doesn't matter. You know as well as I do he's as popular a person as you can be in Canada......and a fixture in Canadian hockey for ages.

Didn't you guys vote him in the top 10 of all time Canadians too?:help:


Considering as such, some of you saying you've lost respect for Sweden because of what some their broadcasters are saying is outright comical.

I never said anything, I just was pointing out Don Cherry isn't relevant to anything.

Canada was the better team yesterday. With that said, Canadians should reasses their aproach to winning. It's not THAT you win, it's HOW you win that matters. I'd never support a team that has no honor.
Drop this "honor" garbage. The excuses here are hilarious.

Well it all makes sense now. Your media propagates this myth that Canada is favoured by the refs so it's only natural that many Swedes start believing it.

I WATCHED the damn game! I have eyes of my own!

It's not THAT you win, it's HOW you win that matters. I'd never support a team that has no honor.


LOL you have a losers mentality, not surprising.

Originally Posted by Slimmy
It's should have been a GAME MISCONDUCT!!! He shouldn't have been alowed to score that goal right after that discusting cheapshot on Markström. He should have been sent to the locker room.

Cheap shot? Maybe you should go watch Golf.Hockey is not your sport.
On your theory the Swedish player deserved a suspension for the head lock and sucker punch?

Drop this "honor" garbage. The excuses here are hilarious.

Excuses for WHAT?! I already said Canada was the better team!

It's should have been a GAME MISCONDUCT!!! He shouldn't have been alowed to score that goal right after that discusting cheapshot on Markström. He should have been sent to the locker room.

Any chance you can quote the rule that dictates a Game Misconduct?

Canada was the better team yesterday. With that said, Canadians should reasses their aproach to winning. It's not THAT you win, it's HOW you win that matters. I'd never support a team that has no honor.

I know....I can't believe you support a team where all the goalie does is dive....Not sportsman-like. The goalie was flopping all over the place.

Canada was the better team yesterday. With that said, Canadians should reasses their aproach to winning. It's not THAT you win, it's HOW you win that matters. I'd never support a team that has no honor.
Yes because it is so much more honorable to flop like your goalie-fish or punch people in the head who are not fighting back.

There was a TON of calls that the refs could have made to both teams but chose instead to let the teams play.

Since this thread is about Refs favoring Canada, I will point out that Hedman could have been penalized for ruffing more then once, got lucky he was not seen when he High-sticked a Canadian (yes, I know he was also high-sticked later w/o a penalty), and called for obstruction interference during a dump in on at least 5 occasions.

The Refs let a lot go both ways. But seriously, the Canadians were on the PK for almost 8 straight minutes in the 2nd and Sweden could not score. After that the Canadian D was slow and sluggish due to being just plain wore out and still Sweden could not put the puck in the net. Sorry Sweden, but on that night, Canada was the better team.

It's should have been a GAME MISCONDUCT!!! He shouldn't have been alowed to score that goal right after that discusting cheapshot on Markström. He should have been sent to the locker room.

All the rest of your posts should just be:
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
cause thats all you are doing!

The Swedish HF board forum is actually quite intelligent and civil about all this. In the WJC thread, it is mentioned how the Swedish broadcast was making a big deal about the highstick but never mentioned how the player held onto the stick afterwards to keep it in that position and embellish it.

Both side's media have their own point of view. On TSN, Macguire pointed out how the Swedish player actually bit the Canadian player's hand but they didn't say anything much about it and ignored and forgot about it.

No

But every single time Canada wins, it seems to be because the refs wanted them to win. It gets old guys...

Excuses for WHAT?! I already said Canada was the better team!
And you follow it up with this ridiculousness about "no honor".

Actually i really haven't heard Don Cherry or any of the TSN analysts point of view on it, i don't need it. I am a grown man and can think for myself. Sure Esposito could have been called for a penalty, and Markstrom could have been called for a dive. So they offset each other which makes it a wash.

Della Rovere was called for a penalty, how is that even worth mentioning? what more do you want?

If you look at my quote. It was our broadcasters angle nothing to with my own opinion.

People seriously need to QUIT whining about about the first collision. Hedman deserved a penalty on that play too. There is no situation where Sweden would get a power play on that play.

The fact is that Esposito scored 2-0 within two minutes after the play. Nothing to do with that we didnt get a powerplay. We are just used to getting double penalties even though it's star players involved.

Canada was the better team yesterday. With that said, Canadians should reasses their aproach to winning. It's not THAT you win, it's HOW you win that matters. I'd never support a team that has no honor.

How can you say that the team didn't win with honor. The team won the game and said never once said anything bad about the other team. You are basing your opinion of this team on comments from some fans on the internet.:help:

Maybe the Swedish team needs to learn to lose with pride and dignity since they seem to have none. OH wait that's not the team, that's just some of their fans posting garbage on the internet and in no way represents the TEAM at all.

See how I could tell the difference

If you look at my quote. It was our broadcasters angle nothing to with my own opinion.



The fact is that Esposito scored 2-0 within two minutes after the play. Nothing to do with that we didnt get a powerplay. We are just used to getting double penalties even though it's star players involved.

Markstrom dove. When you dive, how is the ref supposed to know if its a real penalty or not?

This whole topic is useless lol


Sweden - Refs favour Canada

Canada - Refs don't favour us


/end thread

Yes, but is more complicated than outright bias. The thing is that there is IMO a different set of rules when Canada plays, even though they are administered evenly.

My favourite example, charging penalties. In say Slovakia - Finland game, someone skates full speed the length of the ice from his own end to flatten a defenceman at the other end, that is usually a penalty. In say Canada vs. Norway it is never a penalty. This means that other teams have to adapt to different kind of reffing than what they are used to in other games of the tournament when they play Canada, and that is a handicap even if not a decisive one.

What happens is that what is called and what is not called is defined by what team Canada does. To start of the final, Espo throws a hit that is arguably boarding (no penalty on that and hereafter both teams do it), then after whistle Backlund gives Tavares a shove which for some reason is a penalty. In the following powerplay swedish defence basically watch with sticks on ice as three Canadians beat the puck in, because they don't want to take another penalty by crosschecking, quite a natural assumption given the previous penalty. However 1.30 in the game a Canadian defenceman (Taubert I think) simply crosschecks a Swede (might have been Lasu) from behind to the ice in front of the net, after which both teams start doing it...

If I were a coach, I'd simply tell my team to play squeaky clean for first five minutes before Canadians have dictated what is not a penalty. And this is an embarasment to the officiating, even if not the fault of Team Canada as such.

Originally Posted by Slimmy
It's should have been a GAME MISCONDUCT!!! He shouldn't have been alowed to score that goal right after that discusting cheapshot on Markström. He should have been sent to the locker room.

Cheap shot? Maybe you should go watch Golf.Hockey is not your sport.
On your theory the Swedish player deserved a suspension for the head lock and sucker punch?

For a HEADLOCK!? He should have had his face broken for even touching Markström. Everyone knows that you DO NOT touch the goalie. The swedish player who gave Tokarski a facewash and then was pushed into him was headlocked aswell! No penalty!? What a surprize, eh!?

30 years of losing?

Sweden is the reigning best v best champion.


http://www.sharkspage.com/jpgs2/swe_goldmedal_covers.jpg

LOL nice. But this is the junior forum and you are off topic. The guy was talking about juniors, where Sweden's one and only gold was in 1981!

The Swedish HF board forum is actually quite intelligent and civil about all this. In the WJC thread, it is mentioned how the Swedish broadcast was making a big deal about the highstick but never mentioned how the player held onto the stick afterwards to keep it in that position and embellish it.

Both side's media have their own point of view. On TSN, Macguire pointed out how the Swedish player actually bit the Canadian player's hand but they didn't say anything much about it and ignored and forgot about it.

Exactly, on swedish television it wasnt any fuzz about that situation at all. More like a side note from our announcers during the replay. It's us against them mentality as always when it comes to international games. Patriotism.

LOL nice. But this is the junior forum and you are off topic. The guy was talking about juniors, where Sweden's one and only gold was in 1981!

Our second time is 2010. ;)

Whether you agree or disagree with him doesn't matter. You know as well as I do he's as popular a person as you can be in Canada......and a fixture in Canadian hockey for ages.

Didn't you guys vote him in the top 10 of all time Canadians too?:help:


Considering as such, some of you saying you've lost respect for Sweden because of what some their broadcasters are saying is outright comical.

Don Cherry is not that popular in Canada. Nobody in Canada takes Don Cherry seriously. Don Cherry is a joke that people watch for entertainment value.

But yes you are right, somehow he was voted #3 Canadian in 2004. That is very sad and it speaks to how little cultural heritage and identity this sad country has.

I don't know who the Swedish media and national broadcasters who are being referred to in this thread. If they are the equivalent of Don Cherry, then I'd understand. Don Cherry saying that European players are soft and lazy and are dandies for wearing visors is like another country's media claiming that Canada secretly owns and controls the IIHF and corrupts the referrees in order to win everytime.

Our second time is 2010. ;)

Good Luck :)

How can you say that the team didn't win with honor. The team won the game and said never once said anything bad about the other team. You are basing your opinion of this team on comments from some fans on the internet.:help:

Maybe the Swedish team needs to learn to lose with pride and dignity since they seem to have none. OH wait that's not the team, that's just some of their fans posting garbage on the internet and in no way represents the TEAM at all.

See how I could tell the difference

I don't assess team Canada by the posters here. I assess team Canada by the way they play the game and they do it in a dishonorable way.

I don't assess team Canada by the posters here. I assess team Canada by the way they play the game and they do it in a dishonorable way.

:cry:

Sore loser.

And this will be my last post in the WJC forum. Enjoy your silver. You got it the honourable way after all. Moral Victory!

Yes, but is more complicated than outright bias. The thing is that there is IMO a different set of rules when Canada plays, even though they are administered evenly.

My favourite example, charging penalties. In say Slovakia - Finland game, someone skates full speed the length of the ice from his own end to flatten a defenceman at the other end, that is usually a penalty. In say Canada vs. Norway it is never a penalty. This means that other teams have to adapt to different kind of reffing than what they are used to in other games of the tournament when they play Canada, and that is a handicap even if not a decisive one.

What happens is that what is called and what is not called is defined by what team Canada does. To start of the final, Espo throws a hit that is arguably boarding (no penalty on that and hereafter both teams do it), then after whistle Backlund gives Tavares a shove which for some reason is a penalty. In the following powerplay swedish defence basically watch with sticks on ice as three Canadians beat the puck in, because they don't want to take another penalty by crosschecking, quite a natural assumption given the previous penalty. However 1.30 in the game a Canadian defenceman (Taubert I think) simply crosschecks a Swede (might have been Lasu) from behind to the ice in front of the net, after which both teams start doing it...

If I were a coach, I'd simply tell my team to play squeaky clean for first five minutes before Canadians have dictated what is not a penalty. And this is an embarasment to the officiating, even if not the fault of Team Canada as such.

You have a good point here, one of the first intelligent ones to address what the real issue is. There seems to be some inconsistency on the type of game that is played and that is natural from the difference in how hockey is played internationally and in North America. How that translates to an international tournament and the consistency of officiating to make the game homogenous for all teams is likely one issue.

It's a junior tournament, who cares this much?

How was it dishonorable. They played the game, won the game and you keep saying it was dishonorable. How about a little sportsmanship while playing the game. Not flopping like a fish or roughing after the whistle. Oh wait I forgot that it is honorable to play like that.

For a HEADLOCK!? He should have had his face broken for even touching Markström. Everyone knows that you DO NOT touch the goalie. The swedish player who gave Tokarski a facewash and then was pushed into him was headlocked aswell! No penalty!? What a surprize, eh!?

The goalie should stay in his crease if he does not like to be touched.
If this was the Nhl Esposito would have fought back and every other player would have kicked his sorry ass

:cry:

Sore loser.

And this will be my last post in the WJC forum. Enjoy your silver. You got it the honourable way after all. Moral Victory!

That's where we can agree. I'm proud that they never stooped to Canadas level.

The swedish player who gave Tokarski a facewash and then was pushed into him was headlocked aswell! No penalty!? What a surprize, eh!?

I don't think that fact really helps your case about the ref's Canadian biases. Tokarski was in his crease at the time so there 'should' have been a Swede penalty.

W.r.t. "running" Markström... I think you'll see if you review the tapes you'll find that either (a) a Canadian and Swede were given coincidental penalties and/or coincidental penalties were ignored as the Swedes retaliated or (b) while the refs couldn't give a penalty for the play in question Canada did seem to get a dubious call minutes later. So in the end it worked out.

WOW...Just WOW

Your use of logic is amazing

WOW...Just WOW

Your use of logic is amazing

huh?

The goalie should stay in his crease if he does not like to be touched.
If this was the Nhl Esposito would have fought back and every other player would have kicked his sorry ass

Markström was first on that puck by far! Esposito (was it?) put out his leg to deliberately hamper Markströms play for the rest of the game. Where's the honor in that?

blame the bad air in canada for hurting the swedish players' lungs

Canada was the better team yesterday. With that said, Canadians should reasses their aproach to winning. It's not THAT you win, it's HOW you win that matters. I'd never support a team that has no honor.

Blatant embellishment and biting people is honourable?

That's where we can agree. I'm proud that they never stooped to Canadas level.

Sorry if Swedes can't handle physical hockey. This is a game playing with body contact. We hit we hit hard. Hard hit's are not illegal.
Diving is not honorable
Maybe ringette is more to your liking

I don't think that fact really helps your case about the ref's Canadian biases. Tokarski was in his crease at the time so there 'should' have been a Swede penalty.

W.r.t. "running" Markström... I think you'll see if you review the tapes you'll find that either (a) a Canadian and Swede were given coincidental penalties and/or coincidental penalties were ignored as the Swedes retaliated or (b) while the refs couldn't give a penalty for the play in question Canada did seem to get a dubious call minutes later. So in the end it worked out.

Where's the supposed "dubious" call against a Canadian? Can you referr to atleast one?

Markström was first on that puck by far! Esposito (was it?) put out his leg to deliberately hamper Markströms play for the rest of the game. Where's the honor in that?
Where is the honor in diving?

Oh man I can already think of all the complaints there are gonna be next year because of the Saskatchewan (if riders fans are any indication) crowd.

For a HEADLOCK!? He should have had his face broken for even touching Markström. Everyone knows that you DO NOT touch the goalie. The swedish player who gave Tokarski a facewash and then was pushed into him was headlocked aswell! No penalty!? What a surprize, eh!?

No, not for a headlock, the for PUNCH TO THE FACE!?.:shakehead

I don't assess team Canada by the posters here. I assess team Canada by the way they play the game and they do it in a dishonorable way.


What made this a dishonourable game for Canada? Contact with Markstrom (which seems to be your biggest example)? If that's the case, then what about the Swedes returning the favour to Tokarski? One Swedish player even snowed Tokarski, which, my friends who play the position unanimously tell me is the worst insult a skater can show to a goalie. If you don't deem the Canadian team honourable, than the Swedes can't be considered honourable either, as they committed the same wrongdoings.

P.S. My guess is that you are you just pulling the "my team lost, but at least we still have our honour" routine. A nice, catch-all excuse that hinders on intangible qualities that every individual measures differently. This is the equivalent of losing a game as a child an saying "I wasn't trying anyway!" You can't truly be proved wrong, but in the end you know you are offering a lame and shallow excuse to compensate for your own disappointment.

Sorry if Swedes can't handle physical hockey. This is a game playing with body contact. We hit we hit hard. Hard hit's are not illegal.
Diving is not honorable
Maybe ringette is more to your liking

Sweden didn't play physical? I have no problem with physical play whatsoever aslong as it's BY THE BOOK!
Diving? Swedes were diving now?!!! You're just increadible..

30 years of losing?

Sweden is the reigning best v best champion.





I've got a bridge to sell you if you thought Team Canada represented Canada's best in the 06 Olympics.

Blatant embellishment and biting people is honourable?

You forgot sitting on someones back and slamming / pushing his face into the ice over and over.

Where is the honor in diving?

Ask Tavares