My apology regarding Canadian fans

I'd like to apologize for the supposed "fans" booing your great young players and taking a junior tournament far too seriously.

Unfortunately, Canadian fans in general have somehow associated this tournament with unthinking, knee-jerk nationalism and forgotten that this is just a showcase for some great young players. Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.

The thing that really bugs me is the treatment of opposing players -- guys like Ovechkin, Jack Johnson, and, tonight, Hedman and Markstrom. These are kids who are putting on a fantastic show for these fans, yet they get booed when they touch the puck by these same unthinking people.

It's shameful and I'm sorry.

Congratulations to both the Canadian kids who played with honour for the most part, and to the Swedes who had an excellent tournament.

It comes with the job.

I'm sure they've been booed before and they will again if they want to continue their playing careers. I'm sure they prefer playing in front of a sold out but hostile crowd instead of a few hundred who don't give a crap.

If they play like professionals, they will get treated as such.

It comes with the job.

I'm sure they've been booed before and they will again if they want to continue their playing careers. I'm sure they prefer playing in front of a sold out but hostile crowd instead of a few hundred who don't give a crap.

false dilemma.

If they play like professionals, they will get treated as such.

what if they play like the amateur 18 year-old kids they are?

They're big boys now, a lot of them play pro hockey, or major junior. Many are drafted, or aspire to be drafted they better toughen up if they hope to make it.

They can handle it.

I think you're expecting too much out of humanity to be honest.

Not many of the canadian players play pro. Markstrom however, is supposed to be a pro, and he was the most childish player on the ice. I have no problem with the booing of hedman and markstrom during the game but they should have chilled during the medal ceremony.

I will not cheer any player, of any age, for any country who punches another player in the face while on top of them after a clear accident has occured.

You noticed only the good players get booed. Canada just knows how to pick them out, thats all.

Not many of the canadian players play pro. Markstrom however, is supposed to be a pro, and he was the most childish player on the ice. I have no problem with the booing of hedman and markstrom during the game but they should have chilled during the medal ceremony.

Didn't watch the medal ceremony. Did people really boo them at that point too? That's just plain stupid and very embarrassing.

Not many of the canadian players play pro. Markstrom however, is supposed to be a pro, and he was the most childish player on the ice. I have no problem with the booing of hedman and markstrom during the game but they should have chilled during the medal ceremony.

Major Junior / Collegiate ranks is very competitive as well - A fair share of booing is there as well. This isn't ****ing houseleague.

Not many of the canadian players play pro. Markstrom however, is supposed to be a pro, and he was the most childish player on the ice. I have no problem with the booing of hedman and markstrom during the game but they should have chilled during the medal ceremony.

I thought they did, to their credit. A smattering of boos during the ceremonies, but quickly drowned out by, while hardly to be described as overly enthusiastic, applause, nonetheless.

They're big boys now, a lot of them play pro hockey, or major junior. Many are drafted, or aspire to be drafted they better toughen up if they hope to make it.

They can handle it.

Is whether or not the targets of stupid behaviour can handle it really the best measure of its stupidity? No.

It's dumb either way.

I echo your sentiments to a degree. Booing is understandable, but the character assassinations have to stop. The Ovechkin-incident from a few years ago really irked me because I knew he was much tougher than the canadian broadcasters had portrayed him in that gold medal game.

Everything else I'm fine with. Canadians have a right to waive their flags and be proud of their country's hockey team. That's a good thing imo. Just so long as they don't cross the line and stereotype players from other countries.

I hope they booed whoever bit Thomas Hickey's finger...what was up with that? lol. Anyway, didn't get to see much of this tourney, was working during pretty much every big game, but after watching the highlights, Canada is amazing, its a shame I couldn't watch. Very high level of hockey.

edit: guess there's already a thread for this, my fault.

Not many of the canadian players play pro. Markstrom however, is supposed to be a pro, and he was the most childish player on the ice. I have no problem with the booing of hedman and markstrom during the game but they should have chilled during the medal ceremony.

agreed, but I dont remember any booing in the ceremony but I also didnt pay much attention to it.

As a fan who was face painted and wave flagging and at the game tonight....

Markstrom was a disgrace. I have never seen a player so blatantly dive so many times in one game.

Everyone cheered when the Swedes got their medals, and even the Swedes acknowledged the crowd. Except Markstrom. He was booed. And rightly so.

I ran into Filatov and a few other Russian players, as well as some Finns after the game at a downtown bar and they all said the Canadian fans were amazing.

This has nothing to do with nationalism or taking a tournament too seriously, nor hating the best players of the other team. It has everything to do with the fact that it's a sporting event.

This is not xenophobic ignorance, this is simply a case of fans cheering their own team, and jeering the other. It happens at every level. The Canadian fans did not appreciate the actions of Hedman and Markstrom, and they let them know about it.

Hedman and Markstrom were not singled out because of the fact they are the exceptional talents that they are, but instead because of events that some Canadian fans viewed as poor behaviour. These fans paid to attend this game, and have the right to support their team, and -by extension- show their displeasure with the opposition.

I'll admit that I was disappointed when some of the boos carried over to the awards ceremony, but most of the fans stopped then and instead cheered. Which goes to show, after the sporting event had ended, most Canadian fans were willing to forget their actions that game, and celebrate what they had accomplished throughout the tournament.

Simply, the Canadian fans treated this game as exactly what it was; a sports game. They are not the ones taking things too seriously.

I agree, no reason to boo a couple of teenagers who maybe let their emotions get the best of them.

In most of the countries in the world, 18 year olds are not considered "kids", nor are they considered kids in Canada. I really, really do not see why Canadian fans should constantly apologize for booing at this tournament. It's a sporting event with countries, I'm not sure what exactly is expected. This is not a pee-wee tournament either, these guys all play in professional junior environments or senior leagues where they and their teams may get booed/whistled at (I've seen clips of some nasty SEL games!).

What a bunch of sanctimonious garbage.

If you view the military base visit as any more than a simple photo-op and team exercise then I suggest you take off the tin-foil cap. And Harper (as well as Ignatieff) being at the game is a symbol of what exactly? The Slovak ambassador to Canada was at the semi-final. What nefarious plot are all those dignitaries guilty of precisely? Living in Ottawa and being hockey fans?

As for the fans, they are no different anywhere on the planet. Put 20 thousand passionate people in one place and they are going to get loud, one way or another.

If I was Hedman, I would take the booing as a compliment. If I'm Markstrom, i'd be ashamed of myself.

They booed two specific players, for good reason.

I didn't like the booing of Hedman and Markstrom either. Didn't seem in the spirit of the event, and wasn't really warranted (except in one instance when Markstrom appeared to have initiated contact then flopped over in an attempt to draw a penalty. I'd have booed that.)

The one thing I disagree with in the original post was the remark about the military and about Stephen Harper.

I don't think Harper's presence in the stands was some kind of statement of ubernationalism. The guy is known as a huge hockey fan... he might have just wanted to see the game.

With regard to the military... I don't think there was any attempt to link the military with the hockey team at any level other than the team probably provided the troops with some enjoyment.

And mounties in the ceremonial red gear participate in lots of different events. Like, from the Grey Cup to community fairs. I kind of think they're just there to provide a touch of class, you know? I mean, the Canadian air-force's Snowbirds flight team performs ceremonial fly-overs at all kinds of events too, but I don't think they're trying to provide some kind of Orwellian police-state intimidation or anything like that.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, y'know?


But agreed about the booing.

I'm not apologizing *****es :p:

:laugh:

Some people baffle me, what are you made off? It isn't about the players not being able to cope with the booing during the ceremony, it is about the integrity of the audience, it is about the ethics of yourself.

Bad winners are equally bad as bad losers.

Anyway good job my Canada.

I dont think you guys have anything to apologize about. This is the f-ing WJC, not kindergarten play-on-ice. :)

Booing is a part of the game and I dont think Markström or Hedman really cared about it. I can only go to myself and when 20 000 (have played soccer in swedish premier division) people is screaming their ass off to boo you it only makes you feel stronger and play better. So, why make a fart into a f-ing killer hurricane.

I loved to see the way you guys got behind your team. So, to make a long post short. The canadian fans were as amazing (and usual loveable arrogant) this tourney.

it is about the integrity of the audience, it is about the ethics of yourself.
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Integrity? Ethics?

It's a freakin' hockey game.

Integrity? Ethics?

It's a freakin' hockey game.

You do know what the thread is about, it is about issues during the ceremony.

Hopefully my American counter parts have enough class not to go back after the Canadians next yr in Buffalo ( I believe ? ) I've been to Canada many times and have strong relationships with people in the country I have nothing against the country what so ever but the fans that showed up and put on that embarrassing display should be hung.

Congrats Canada for the gold.

20000 stupid fanatic people how can it be different. i know canadians are not all stupid, just very childish when it comes to hockey.

Team Sweden were awful, lost their speed and grit y-day. The right team won!
Swedes were the best and most spectacular team aswell during this weeks but yesterday they really sucked!

You do know what the thread is about, it is about issues during the ceremony.

False. The OP has stated he didn't even watch the ceremony. It was about what went on in the hockey game.

Hopefully my American counter parts have enough class not to go back after the Canadians next yr in Buffalo ( I believe ? ) I've been to Canada many times and have strong relationships with people in the country I have nothing against the country what so ever but the fans that showed up and put on that embarrassing display should be hung.

Congrats Canada for the gold.

Shame we cheered on our team and booed that joke Markstrom.

Dont worry about Americans in Buffalo. It will be Canadians. Just like all of the Sabres games.

Hopefully my American counter parts have enough class not to go back after the Canadians next yr in Buffalo ( I believe ? ) I've been to Canada many times and have strong relationships with people in the country I have nothing against the country what so ever but the fans that showed up and put on that embarrassing display should be hung.

Congrats Canada for the gold.

There will be more Canadians at the Buffalo games in 2011 than Americans.

You do know what the thread is about, it is about issues during the ceremony.

You mean when the entire crowd CHEERED the Swedes, and even the Swedish players acknowledged it by skating around the arena and applauding and going up to the glass to see fans?

You mean when the entire crowd CHEERED the Swedes, and even the Swedish players acknowledged it by skating around the arena and applauding and going up to the glass to see fans?

Not that part, what made you think so? :)

Besides, it wasn't the OP who mentioned the ceremony and booing, but that is the part I have issues with.

I didn't hear any boos during the ceremonies.

They booed Markstrom and Hedman for diving, and throwing a punch ala Crosby.

I don't see the reason for booing Hedman, now Tendeby should have got some boos for his face planting onto the ice.

20000 stupid fanatic people how can it be different? i know canadians are not all stupid, just very childish when it comes to hockey. Team canada and its federation do everything for a win, including cheating and unfair play, but this year Team Sweden lose by themselves. They were just awul. and the youngest team ever played a Juniro world.

Team Sweden were awful, lost their speed and grit y-day. The right team won!
Swedes were the best and most spectacular team aswell during this weeks but yesterday they really sucked!

the fans that showed up and put on that embarrassing display should be hung.

Congrats Canada for the gold.

Thanks...I guess. :laugh:

Why is it always half-assed compliments like "your fans should be hung...but congratulations on winning the gold" or "you have more rinks than we have players...but congratulations anyway". Like honestly, I know it's hard sometimes to give credit to your rivals but a little mutual respect after the games would be a nice change around here.

20000 stupid fanatic people how can it be different? i know canadians are not all stupid, just very childish when it comes to hockey. Team canada and its federation do everything for a win, including cheating and unfair play, but this year Team Sweden lose by themselves. They were just awul. and the youngest team ever played a Juniro world.

Team Sweden were awful, lost their speed and grit y-day. The right team won!
Swedes were the best and most spectacular team aswell during this weeks but yesterday they really sucked!

Yeah, I can only agree. Sweden made a no show. The final could have been amazing if not.

Not that part, what made you think so? :)

Besides, it wasn't the OP who mentioned the ceremony and booing, but that is the part I have issues with.

Swedish TV didn't even play much of the ceremony, so how would you even know about anything?

If you didn't watch it (which nobody in Sweden would have saw before it was cut off), dont talk.

what if they play like the amateur 18 year-old kids they are?

I get what you're saying, but in this case Hedman and Markstrom play in the Swedish Elite League, don't they?

Swedish TV didn't even play much of the ceremony, so how would you even know about anything?

If you didn't watch it (which nobody in Sweden would have saw before it was cut off), dont talk.

Maybe because all swedes didn't watch the Swedish broadcast?

Can't understand why people didn't boo Tavares? Since he was the one who started the diving, only a minute into the game... Surely he can't be THAT weak, as Backlund said.

Markstrom didn't dive. The canadians took his skates every time.. He did exaggerate the fall, no doubt.. but he didn't dive unlike Tavares.

Anyway, the audience acted VERY poorly.

Congratulations to the win Canada. You deserved it, no doubt. The ref let you play the game and Sweden couldn't find a good answer to it.

Didn't watch the medal ceremony. Did people really boo them at that point too? That's just plain stupid and very embarrassing.

There were some boos, but it was generally drowned out by applause.

Integrity? Ethics?

It's a freakin' hockey game.

hello there! Hello? anybody home, So you don´t take ethics with you on the ice at all?
That says it all.

Canada makes the rules from game to game depending how they want it. That´s a fact!
Saying before this tourny goalies are untoucheble, and everybody agreed, then the final day comes, bam straight on the goali 4 times!
Its so silly, i cant stop lauhing. Coach quinnsaid diving LOL. Of course he knows its were no dives, but canada did EVERYTHING to win Team Sweden did not

Swedish TV didn't even play much of the ceremony, so how would you even know about anything?

If you didn't watch it (which nobody in Sweden would have saw before it was cut off), dont talk.

So you know what I saw or not saw? Don't go there, please. If you don't know, don't talk.

I didn't hear any boos during the ceremonies.

They booed Markstrom and Hedman for diving, and throwing a punch ala Crosby.

I don't see the reason for booing Hedman, now Tendeby should have got some boos for his face planting onto the ice.

There where boos during the Ceremony and certainly when Markström got honoured with the award thingy.

Hopefully my American counter parts have enough class not to go back after the Canadians next yr in Buffalo ( I believe ? ) I've been to Canada many times and have strong relationships with people in the country I have nothing against the country what so ever but the fans that showed up and put on that embarrassing display should be hung.

Congrats Canada for the gold.
embarrassing! yes, but i understand they probably haven´t got a life. We are biggest and best attitude, well you aren´t best playing like they did, especially on their goalie Markstrom. Sorry off topic.

The embarrassing audience made me realize candian are not at fully functionally when go to hockey, its the same here in england at a football game. Fanatics makes you act wrong. and candians are not stupid ppl for what i know, so they are ashamed today. They probably do know you dont do stuff like that.

There where boos during the Ceremony and certainly when Markström got honoured with the award thingy.he were really angry, if he would not been so young he probably throw that award and left. I would have.

Maybe because all swedes didn't watch the Swedish broadcast?

Can't understand why people didn't boo Tavares? Since he was the one who started the diving, only a minute into the game... Surely he can't be THAT weak, as Backlund said.

Markstrom didn't dive. The canadians took his skates every time.. He did exaggerate the fall, no doubt.. but he didn't dive unlike Tavares.

Anyway, the audience acted VERY poorly.

Congratulations to the win Canada. You deserved it, no doubt. The ref let you play the game and Sweden couldn't find a good answer to it.

HAHAHA yep Tavares dove for sure... you can re watch the game on TSN.ca, pretty blatent shove to face action before he fell, even if he didnt fall, a shot like that after a whistle is a penalty. And im sure that this incident had nothing to do with all the diving. The swedish goalie lost him composure when canada scored in the first minute, and emotions took over.

I'd like to apologize for the supposed "fans" booing your great young players and taking a junior tournament far too seriously.

Unfortunately, Canadian fans in general have somehow associated this tournament with unthinking, knee-jerk nationalism and forgotten that this is just a showcase for some great young players. Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.

The thing that really bugs me is the treatment of opposing players -- guys like Ovechkin, Jack Johnson, and, tonight, Hedman and Markstrom. These are kids who are putting on a fantastic show for these fans, yet they get booed when they touch the puck by these same unthinking people.

It's shameful and I'm sorry.

Congratulations to both the Canadian kids who played with honour for the most part, and to the Swedes who had an excellent tournament. As a fellow canadian I want to thank you for your great post.:clap::clap::clap::clap: You are bang on I agree with you a 100%, we are talking about kids here folks, it's just a hockey game. Because without russia, sweden, czech republic, usa, finland and all the other countries participating there would be no tournament.

You noticed only the good players get booed. Canada just knows how to pick them out, thats all.
This was an ugly game. Candian players and the crowd where like schoolyard bullies. They won buy cheepshots and runnin the goalie (the biggest no no in hockey) multiple times. When som Swede tried to stand up for himself and the team, he got booed by 20000 bystanders. And the refs where like crappy scared teachers not wanting to get the bully's attention by penalizing them.

I guess I forgot, hockey was invented in Canada and is a sport made for the American bully mentality. No sportmanship-sport whatsoever.

As a fellow canadian I want to thank you for your great post.:clap::clap::clap::clap: You are bang on I agree with you a 100%, we are talking about kids here folks, it's just a hockey game. Because without russia, sweden, czech republic, usa, finland and all the other countries participating there would be no tournament.

Factually incorrect. We are talking about adults, with some rare exceptions (Kane, Ellis, Svensson-Paajarvi, etc). For the most part (80+%) this tourny has adults (18+) playing.

Some people baffle me, what are you made off? It isn't about the players not being able to cope with the booing during the ceremony, it is about the integrity of the audience, it is about the ethics of yourself.

Bad winners are equally bad as bad losers.

Anyway good job my Canada. You know what liveevil, today I am embarase
for the way the crowd acting last night. They should be ashame of themselves I know I am. I hope you know that fortunately not all canadians are classless like that. You know what if I was the president of any european countries hockey federation I would not send any team to next year tournament in saskatoon. I am sorry

You know what liveevil, today I am embarase
for the way the crowd acting last night. They should be ashame of themselves I know I am. I hope you know that fortunately not all canadians are classless like that. You know what if I was the president of any european countries hockey federation I would not send any team to next year tournament in saskatoon. I am sorry

I seriously hope you're kidding. You wouldn't send your teams to a major international hockey event because 2 kids were booed in a Gold Medal game? Seriously? Thankfully you are not a president of any countries' hockey program.

Factually incorrect. We are talking about adults, with some rare exceptions (Kane, Ellis, Svensson-Paajarvi, etc). For the most part (80+%) this tourny has adults (18+) playing. I don't care it's wrong, it's just a game my man, what I saw last night by the fans in ottawa made me sick to my stomach. :shakehead

hahaha wow, *******, its a sport and a huge tournament, maybe they should grow a set. Markstrom deserved to get booed out there, floppin like a fish out of water

One thing about canadiens is funny to me.
Outside of hockey you are one of the friendliest and nicest people in the world.
But inside a hockeyarena you are turned into monsters who wants blood.

Like the romans back when the Coliseum was in working order.

P.S. People who say Markström should be ashamed. Yeah those people dont know hockey at all. Bandwagons. Boo him out when he is in Florida to.

I seriously hope you're kidding. You wouldn't send your teams to a major international hockey event because 2 kids were booed in a Gold Medal game? Seriously? Thankfully you are not a president of any countries' hockey program. You are wrong. The world juniors are only a major event in canada that's it. I am sure the majority of europe don't even know the tournament exist, so for them it wouldn't change anything not to send a team. But it would be the end of the world here in canada. Maybe after that us canadians would be more appreciative of other countries sending there team to play in our little tournament.

Congrats to Canada. You guys played the perfect game. The boing of Markström really hit home because he was definitely of his game. Its part of the game. What really irks me is that after Markström was run over the whole swedish team should have stormed the ice starting a fight for the ages. And 4 times! Jesus, the term swedish chickens really was called for.

/Cheers

hahaha wow, *******, its a sport and a huge tournament, maybe they should grow a set. Markstrom deserved to get booed out there, floppin like a fish out of water

Well, outside of Canada this isn't a huge tournament.....so you can see how others can be turned off by Canadian fans treating players like its game 7 of the Stanley Cup.

Still, I think people need to take into consideration this tourney means a lot to Canadians (why more than the senior national team I have no idea though).

I'd like to apologize for the supposed "fans" booing your great young players and taking a junior tournament far too seriously.

Unfortunately, Canadian fans in general have somehow associated this tournament with unthinking, knee-jerk nationalism and forgotten that this is just a showcase for some great young players. Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.

The thing that really bugs me is the treatment of opposing players -- guys like Ovechkin, Jack Johnson, and, tonight, Hedman and Markstrom. These are kids who are putting on a fantastic show for these fans, yet they get booed when they touch the puck by these same unthinking people.

It's shameful and I'm sorry.

Congratulations to both the Canadian kids who played with honour for the most part, and to the Swedes who had an excellent tournament.

Get real buddy. I highly doubt Hedman goes home and cries over the booing. Booing come with the territory and these kids are old enough and good enough to take it with a grain of salt. Don't apology for something no one did wrong. This is the exact reason why Canada is considered such a "soft" country. What next? You gonna write a letter to someone.

If anything it is a compliment to someone like Hedman. The tournament is being held in Canada so it's pretty obvious who the crowd is going for, if the target to boo a certain opposing player, there is a reason. Everyone in that arena knows how good Hedman is and that is the reason they boo him.

I am still in awe that you would come on here and apologize for Canadians. Those 18 year old kids will be making million in the NHL as early as next year, I am not going to feel sorry for them because fans from my country booed them.

It's called home-ice advantage. No matter what, the visitors have to deal with it. It doesn't seem liked it bugged them too much.

One thing about canadiens is funny to me.
Outside of hockey you are one of the friendliest and nicest people in the world.
But inside a hockeyarena you are turned into monsters who wants blood.

Like the romans back when the Coliseum was in working order.

P.S. People who say Markström should be ashamed. Yeah those people dont know hockey at all. Bandwagons. Boo him out when he is in Florida to. I think it's because we lose the fact that it's just a game it doesn't mean nothing. And we are not even playing how many of the fans last night receive a gold medal??? canadians fans are acting like they are part of the team you are not??? Do you really think that the players gives a crap about the fans??? They are playing for themselves.

You are wrong. The world juniors are only a major event in canada that's it. I am sure the majority of europe don't even know the tournament exist, so for them it wouldn't change anything not to send a team. But it would be the end of the world here in canada. Maybe after that us canadians would be more appreciative of other countries sending there team to play in our little tournament.

I completely understand that in Canada it is huge but I think you seriously underestimate how important this tournament is to the Russians, Swedes, Finns, etc. You don't think it's important for these countries to develop their young players by playing against the players in their age group around the world? I think you are seriously wrong when you it wouldn't change a thing if a country decided not to send a team anymore.

I think it's because we lose the fact that it's just a game it doesn't mean nothing. And we are not even playing how many of the fans last night receive a gold medal??? canadians fans are acting like they are part of the team you are not??? Do you really think that the players gives a crap about the fans??? They are playing for themselves.

So why not get rid of sports? You're comments are really ridiculous. If you feel this way why are you even here? Why waste your time on a sport that, deep down, you could care less about. Isn't the point of sports team to feel like you are part of a team? Are you not supposed to cheer for them? Should you not have some sort of passion?

What makes sports great is the passion behind it without that we should be just as entertained by playing checkers every Saturday night.

Get real buddy. I highly doubt Hedman goes home and cries over the booing. Booing come with the territory and these kids are old enough and good enough to take it with a grain of salt. Don't apology for something no one did wrong. This is the exact reason why Canada is considered such a "soft" country. What next? You gonna write a letter to someone.

If anything it is a compliment to someone like Hedman. The tournament is being held in Canada so it's pretty obvious who the crowd is going for, if the target to boo a certain opposing player, there is a reason. Everyone in that arena knows how good Hedman is and that is the reason they boo him.

I am still in awe that you would come on here and apologize for Canadians. Those 18 year old kids will be making million in the NHL as early as next year, I am not going to feel sorry for them because fans from my country booed them. But why boo then if it doesn't bother them then??? I don't see the purpose of booing a player it's childish. Congratulation canada you are becoming more and more like the united-states dislike by all...good job canada.

I completely understand that in Canada it is huge but I think you seriously underestimate how important this tournament is to the Russians, Swedes, Finns, etc. You don't think it's important for these countries to develop their young players by playing against the players in their age group around the world? I think you are seriously wrong when you it wouldn't change a thing if a country decided not to send a team anymore.

For the hockey programs this tourney is pretty important; but for the majority of non-Canadian hockey fans.....not realy. For the casual hockey fans this tourney basically doesn't even exist. So you can understand then why some fans get a little disturbed by the actions of Canadians during a tourney like this.

Not saying either side is right or wrong........but it is what it is.

So why not get rid of sports? You're comments are really ridiculous. If you feel this way why are you even here? Why waste your time on a sport that, deep down, you could care less about. Isn't the point of sports team to feel like you are part of a team? Are you not supposed to cheer for them? Should you not have some sort of passion?

What makes sports great is the passion behind it without that we should be just as entertained by playing checkers every Saturday night. You can cheer for your team but you have to keep everything in perspective keep control of your emotions. It's alright to cheer but we must also have respect for the other team. But some fans take their cheering to damn far. I am glad that canada won last night but it doesn't prevent me for congratulating sweden for a great tournament. We saw some great hockey from russia, slovakia, this tournament is not just about canada.

But why boo then if it doesn't bother them then??? I don't see the purpose of booing a player it's childish. Congratulation canada you are becoming more and more like the united-states dislike by all...good job canada.

Go look up "sports", "fans", and "patriotism" and get back to us.

Also, stop posting on hfboards.

One canadian appologizing for the embarrassing crowd, another 50 who responds by saying it was ok.

50 to 1

Nice odds.

For the hockey programs this tourney is pretty important; but for the majority of non-Canadian hockey fans.....not realy. For the casual hockey fans this tourney basically doesn't even exist. So you can understand then why some fans get a little disturbed by the actions of Canadians during a tourney like this.

Not saying either side is right or wrong........but it is what it is.

There was a swedish poster in last night's thread saying that sweden vs slovakia drew a rating of 800,000 people in sweden. If true, that would be even more significant on a per capita basis than Canada's 1.8 million viewers for the Russia/Canada game on TSN.

Go look up "sports", "fans", and "patriotism" and get back to us.

Also, stop posting on hfboards. Hey buddy we live in a free country aren't we??? So I think I'll keep on posting....thanks for coming:p:

There was a swedish poster in last night's thread saying that sweden vs slovakia drew a rating of 800,000 people in sweden. If true, that would be even more significant on a per capita basis than Canada's 1.8 million viewers for the Russia/Canada game on TSN. yes and what about slovakia, russia, czech republik, germany, usa, finland so on and so on???

Hey buddy we live in a free country aren't we??? So I think I'll keep on posting....thanks for coming:p:

Ah, I remember what it was like being a pre-teen.

You noticed only the good players get booed. Canada just knows how to pick them out, thats all.

I'll take that weak excuse...because I know skill and that's who they were booing tonight...skilled young<<< men.

yes and what about slovakia, russia, czech republik, germany, usa, finland so on and so on???

I'm sure it's pretty significant in most of those countries too. Honestly, part of the reason those countries are good at hockey is because they care about the sport at the grass roots level.

I will not cheer any player, of any age, for any country who punches another player in the face while on top of them after a clear accident has occured.

Are you really that stupid?

Ah, I remember what it was like being a pre-teen. good for you my man. How is your life going??? Everything alright???

Integrity? Ethics?

It's a freakin' hockey game.

Don't whine about "diving" then...fair game ;)

Isn't the whistling of European fans their form of booing? Are you going to sanctimoniously apologize for that too whenever they whistle at the opposition?

It's not limited to Canadian fans, stop trying to make it seem so.

As a Canadian I'm embarrassed by the OP. I thought the crowd was amazing last night. Right on Ottawa!

Isn't the whistling of European fans their form of booing? Are you going to sanctimoniously apologize for that too whenever they whistle at the opposition?

It's not limited to Canadian fans, stop trying to make it seem so.

No we have riots instead :D

Hey buddy we live in a free country aren't we??? So I think I'll keep on posting....thanks for coming:p:

Funny, I thought that "free country" label you're so quick to invoke would allow people to boo as they see fit, as well.

As a Canadian I'm embarrassed by the OP. I thought the crowd was amazing last night. Right on Ottawa!

Agree 100%. That was a hockey crowd in Ottawa last night, just awesome.

As a Canadian I'm embarrassed by the OP. I thought the crowd was amazing last night. Right on Ottawa!

Yea i'd like to apologize to other hockey fans for OP's thread. Most of us are not so emo and think booing at a sporting event is "classless".

p.s.: Where is the swedish apology thread for Hedman punching Esposito, Andersson biting Hickey and Markstrom flopping all over the place??

I have nothing against the country what so ever but the fans that showed up and put on that embarrassing display should be hung.

So people who booed hockey players during a hockey game should be put to death?

Perhaps you need a dose of perspective on this one.

So just to reiterate, nobody was hurt (except maybe a Canadian kid who might have gotten bit during a scrum, but I digress), nobody was threatened, nobody was yelled at by the crowd, nobody was embarrassed, nobody was even called out... But the crowd booed what they viewed as a cheap shot by one extremely skilled player, and fragrant and constant diving by another, and for that they should:

- be ashamed of themselves
- apologise
- be put to death (hung)

It would have to be in that order I guess.

Hey guess what, it's just a hockey game! The fans booed, and it looked like it got the Swedes off their game. MSP said he thought the Canadian kids would "**** their pants", well, it looks like they are the ones who did so. For all those of you who are so upset about it, you're just letting your emotions take over... Just like the crowd last night. The difference is, when the game was over, they started cheering. You're still all sanctimonious about it.

I love it how Candians are still whining allthough they won the game. It shows that even the most narrowminded knows 'inside' that they did not win by fair methods.

Like I said in prevoius posts made by me; Canada won by scaring the refs, whining and screaming palyers, a record big mocking crowd, runnin the goalie and the constant typical Canadian cheapshoting that goes on, mostly after the whistle. No news there, but Im sure it would have felt much better whit that gold medal if you knew you'd won it by playing solid hockey instead.

As a canadian I would not apologize the behaviour of the fans, no need for it. Instead I would be apologizing for the dirty acts in the rink and refs who were allowing it ( I guess they were canadians from their hearts).

I'm sure it's pretty significant in most of those countries too. Honestly, part of the reason those countries are good at hockey is because they care about the sport at the grass roots level.

Unfortunately, not really. Europe doesn’t have the youth sports tradition that North America has. The development aspect is important but the game itself isn’t marketable nor important for the fan base. The WJC isn’t even broadcasted in Russia, I believe its on tape delay in Finland on some obscure channel; it's only on the NHL network in America.

Why do you think IIHF has basically been forced to move the tourney to Canada for the future? It's because nobody cares and nobody goes to the games when it’s anywhere else.

The point being that I think many people see Canadians as taking the WJC way too seriously and get a bit irked at the way you treat visiting players as such.

Again, there’s no right and wrong here..........it’s just a difference of perspective.

Trust me this is nothing, only a speck on Canada's long resume of crazy antics. Not even a speck, can't believe the Swedes are crying about fans. I know lots of them watch football and it's far worse their.

Unfortunately, not really. Europe doesn’t have the youth sports tradition that North America has. The development aspect is important but the game itself isn’t marketable nor important for the fan base. The WJC isn’t even broadcasted in Russia, I believe its on tape delay in Finland on some obscure channel; it's only on the NHL network in America.

Why do you think IIHF has basically been forced to move the tourney to Canada for the future? It's because nobody cares and nobody goes to the games when it’s anywhere else.

The point being that I think many people see Canadians as taking the WJC way too seriously and get a bit irked at the way you treat visiting players as such.

Again, there’s no right and wrong here..........it’s just a difference of perspective.

Canada loves junior hockey, don't think they huddle around the tv to watch junior curling...Or do theeeeeeey ?

Didn't watch the medal ceremony. Did people really boo them at that point too? That's just plain stupid and very embarrassing.

They're almost in the big leagues now, time to get used to it. Hedman deserved it more than anyone anyways. Punches someone who's still down after an accident.

So just to reiterate, nobody was hurt (except maybe a Canadian kid who might have gotten bit during a scrum, but I digress), nobody was threatened, nobody was yelled at by the crowd, nobody was embarrassed, nobody was even called out... But the crowd booed what they viewed as a cheap shot by one extremely skilled player, and fragrant and constant diving by another, and for that they should:

- be ashamed of themselves
- apologise
- be put to death (hung)

It would have to be in that order I guess.

Hey guess what, it's just a hockey game! The fans booed, and it looked like it got the Swedes off their game. MSP said he thought the Canadian kids would "**** their pants", well, it looks like they are the ones who did so. For all those of you who are so upset about it, you're just letting your emotions take over... Just like the crowd last night. The difference is, when the game was over, they started cheering. You're still all sanctimonious about it.

Maybe for future tournaments we should also stop keeping score...that way no one's feelings would get hurt and there would be no need to boo and/or cheer and/or apologize afterwards.

They're almost in the big leagues now, time to get used to it. Hedman deserved it more than anyone anyways. Punches someone who's still down after an accident.

Like this never happens in the allmighty NHL. Hedman threw one punch. What he did wrong was that he should have punched as much he as could.

If referees can't give penalties to canadians, players should do it themselves. Too bad Sweden didn't have any dellaRoveres in their squad.

Maybe for future tournaments we should also stop keeping score...that way no one's feelings would get hurt and there would be no need to boo and/or cheer and/or apologize afterwards.

We should make sure all players get equal icetime as well.

It's funny because you're so obviously wrong, yet you think you're right.

Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.

This comment is just unbelievably ignorant.

People keep posting how Markstrom deserved to be booed. What exactly did he do(didn't watch whole game)?

I agree with the OP, politics are ruining the game. Do you think the most culturally iconic moments in hockey history had anything to do with politics? The Summit Series? Miracle on Ice? Of course not. That was just two teams coming together out of love of the game to play some shinny for fun. Get that politics out of here man!

It's sports.

People get booed at every sporting event in every town/city/country/continent.

Even 18-19 year olds get booed.

Hell, 12-13 year olds get booed.

No one was out of line. It's the nature of sports.

You apologizing for nothing is stupid.

By the responses in this thread it's pretty obvious that the crowd last night was a typical average of Canadian hockey fans of the same sort as responding here.

Booing juniors at a price ceremony, how classless can one be? Unfortunately, this is one of the main things many outside Canada will remember from this tournament. But most canadian facepainters obviously seems to like it so i guess its ok among you.

People keep posting how Markstrom deserved to be booed. What exactly did he do(didn't watch whole game)?

He got run over by canadian goons through the whole game and obviously the canadians didn't like that he fell from it.

How come they didn't boo this meatheaded covard Della Rovere instead who deserved it.

Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.


Wait, what? You guys have a military?

He got run over by canadian goons through the whole game and obviously the canadians didn't like that he fell from it.

How come they didn't boo this meatheaded covard Della Rovere instead who deserved it.

Quit while you're behind.




Oh, and your team still lost.

As one who's team was no better than 5th I watched this game with interest (but not passion LOL)

Observations:

-the Canadian team transitions from Defense to offense better than any other team I saw in the tourney (though I didn't see much of the Russian team)

-The incident where the Swedish Goalie was out by the faceoff dot and playing the puck seemed to be "undercalled " by the ref's. From watching several of the replays last night I wondered if the ref's should have called a leg check on the Canadian player. I suspect the ensuing events allowed them to make it a non call along with the roughing/wrestling by the Swedish player.

- As for "diving", don't like it and would prefer the ref's called players on it. If they had called the Canadian player for diving early in the game and then the Swedish equivilent it probably would have put an end to it.

-the Canadian team outplayed the Swedes all over the ice and played like they wanted it more than the Swedes.

-It was a fun game to watch (yes I was rooting for Canada with the USA out of medal contention) though I always root for the goalies to make great saves.

-I thought the Candians, for the most part limited the types of scoring opportunities for Sweden by keeping shots to the outside and allowing thier goalie to have more routine saves to make.

- Play this game over and over and 18 out of 20 times Canada wins.

-It was basically a 3-1 win for Canada (ENG are not all that important to me in evaluating the games action and tempo)

-As for the booing, I thought it was clever on when Hedman touched the puck off otherwise. Would have loved to see if the crowd could have kept up with a quck series of passes between Hedman and other Swedish players though LOL

-As for 18 yr olds being vewed as adults or kids, well as a Father of an 18 yr old and one who had 3 others pass through that milestone before (with two to go through yet) I'm not sure that they are fully mature emotionally as you should expect. There is nothing magic about the 18th birthday that makes them mature adults. More likely, because so many of them have had some benefit from their skill on the ice that would be different than the avg. teenager one might find them to be less mature than most 18 yr old adults.

This was an international sporting competition, what did you expect. Especially with a home country as passionate for the game as we are. And to think, the fans did cheer for the Swedish players when they accepted there awards and medals.

Would you also like us to apologise for cheering, it can be done.

Canada's got so much gold now we're gonna save the world from the financial crisis!

By the responses in this thread it's pretty obvious that the crowd last night was a typical average of Canadian hockey fans of the same sort as responding here.

Booing juniors at a price ceremony, how classless can one be? Unfortunately, this is one of the main things many outside Canada will remember from this tournament. But most canadian facepainters obviously seems to like it so i guess its ok among you.

The crowd last night was a typical sports crowd.

Oh, diving ***** got booed during the ceremony, oh noes!!!!! Please. Don't be a *****, you won't get booed. When you're a ***** multiple times in one game, guess what, a few people are going to boo you even when they "shouldn't."

I agree with the OP, politics are ruining the game. Do you think the most culturally iconic moments in hockey history had anything to do with politics? The Summit Series? Miracle on Ice? Of course not. That was just two teams coming together out of love of the game to play some shinny for fun. Get that politics out of here man!

You seriously think politics played no part in those moments. Do you think the Summit Series or Miracle would have been so iconic if the "hated commies" hadn't been beaten.

Think about the world around the times of those events.

Politics had a part in it. Maybe no presidents or prime ministers were being interviewed during the game, but politics were definitely present.

I'd like an apology from all Leaf fans for the booing of Daniel Alfredsson.

You seriously think politics played no part in those moments. Do you think the Summit Series or Miracle would have been so iconic if the "hated commies" hadn't been beaten.

Think about the world around the times of those events.

Politics had a part in it. Maybe no presidents or prime ministers were being interviewed during the game, but politics were definitely present.

Go read it again.

Canadian fans have nothing to apolgise for. This thread is a joke, as is whoever's bright idea to come up with it. :rant:

Swedes? You want to compete with us? You had better become as passionate as we are. Otherwise, enjoy being a runner up. See you next year for our 6th in a row....

-As for 18 yr olds being vewed as adults or kids, well as a Father of an 18 yr old and one who had 3 others pass through that milestone before (with two to go through yet) I'm not sure that they are fully mature emotionally as you should expect. There is nothing magic about the 18th birthday that makes them mature adults. More likely, because so many of them have had some benefit from their skill on the ice that would be different than the avg. teenager one might find them to be less mature than most 18 yr old adults.

Good post, agree with most of it but will only comment on this last point. I am a father as well and my two sons are rapidly approaching their 18th birthdays. While maturity is certainly not a guarantee at 18, and it always arrives at different times for different people I believe the maturity level of the 18 year olds in this tournament is well beyond the average. They didn't drop into this tournament from nowhere. They have been subjected to crowds and tense on-ice situations for years by this point in their hockey "careers". So while we all may know 18 or even older "men" who would melt and need some form of therapy after being booed, these 18-19 year olds are not them.

I apologize for the OP.

Ottawa always gets labeled as a "stiff white-collar crowd", and they finally get into a tournament, and are extremely loud and supportive of their team, and now we're supposed to be ashamed.

What a joke.

They cheered when Oscar Mollar was given the 2nd place trophy, and he waved at the crowd. They cheered when they were handed their silver medals.

The fact that the OP didn't even see the ceremony just makes his comments even more patently absurd.

Canadian fans have nothing to apolgise for. This thread is a joke, as is whoever's bright idea to come up with it. :rant:

Swedes? You want to compete with us? You had better become as passionate as we are. Otherwise, enjoy being a runner up. See you next year for our 6th in a row....

Being passionate= players trying to injury goalie, then the fans are booing to the same goalie. That's the passion in Hockey-Canada?

Canadian fans have nothing to apolgise for. This thread is a joke, as is whoever's bright idea to come up with it. :rant:

Swedes? You want to compete with us? You had better become as passionate as we are. Otherwise, enjoy being a runner up. See you next year for our 6th in a row....

Passionate and unsportmanship goes hand in hand i see.

Well then my "friend" i have learned a new lesson.

Canadian fans have nothing to apolgise for. This thread is a joke, as is whoever's bright idea to come up with it. :rant:

Swedes? You want to compete with us? You had better become as passionate as we are. Otherwise, enjoy being a runner up. See you next year for our 6th in a row....

The Swedes are passionate, just look at how butt-hurt they are.

People keep posting how Markstrom deserved to be booed. What exactly did he do(didn't watch whole game)?

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He got run over by canadian goons through the whole game and obviously the canadians didn't like that he fell from it.

How come they didn't boo this meatheaded covard Della Rovere instead who deserved it.

I would pay money to see Della Rovere drop the gloves with any of those Swedes. That would have been fun to watch.

As for the booing..somebody mentioned Jack Johnson. He was on record saying something along the lines of "the booing I get here is nothing - you should see what kind of treatment I get from the student sections in college. I actually think it makes me play better."

People keep posting how Markstrom deserved to be booed. What exactly did he do(didn't watch whole game)?

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=CdVi-lDmqig&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DCdVi-lDmqig

Like this never happens in the allmighty NHL. Hedman threw one punch. What he did wrong was that he should have punched as much he as could.

If referees can't give penalties to canadians, players should do it themselves. Too bad Sweden didn't have any dellaRoveres in their squad.

But people don't get boo'd in the "allmighty NHL", right?

What do you mean give penalties to Canadians? They wouldn't give any to that retarded goalie in nets for the Swedes for diving. It was sad.

It just wouldn't be an international tournament with endless crying about something afterwards.

I would like to congratulate the crowd for having been behind the underdogs throughout this tournament. I'm pretty sure that as much as some countries were sooooooo badly treated, other countries surely appreciated the support.

Good job Ottawa. For whoever thinks that you lack class 'cause you dangerously and viciously booed some players, you've demonstrated class in a lot of other occasions which at worst even things out.

Memo to players who play in such an important tournament....if you're not ready for booing, don't play hockey. Then some people in here are so not giving the credit to those kids who understand the meaning of this tournament and won't end up crying 'cause they were booed a little.....As if NOTHING like that happen in a european arena.....Give the kids more credit than that...

I'd like to apologize for the supposed "fans" booing your great young players and taking a junior tournament far too seriously.

Unfortunately, Canadian fans in general have somehow associated this tournament with unthinking, knee-jerk nationalism and forgotten that this is just a showcase for some great young players. Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.

The thing that really bugs me is the treatment of opposing players -- guys like Ovechkin, Jack Johnson, and, tonight, Hedman and Markstrom. These are kids who are putting on a fantastic show for these fans, yet they get booed when they touch the puck by these same unthinking people.

It's shameful and I'm sorry.

Congratulations to both the Canadian kids who played with honour for the most part, and to the Swedes who had an excellent tournament.

I hear you. I seriously have a problem with adults booing a 17/18 year old kid every time he touches the puck. Sure boo an incident when it happens, but let it go. These people encompass everything that is wrong with people who watch their own kids in Amateur Hockey in Canada. Hockey Parent mentality on an international scale.

These are boys playing a boys game people.

He got run over by canadian goons through the whole game and obviously the canadians didn't like that he fell from it.

How come they didn't boo this meatheaded covard Della Rovere instead who deserved it.

Run over? Try watching the game. That goalie is a moron who just dives to try and get penalties. If maybe he tried making saves and winning the game cleanly instead of diving, you might have won.

I'd like to apologize for the supposed "fans" booing your great young players and taking a junior tournament far too seriously.

Unfortunately, Canadian fans in general have somehow associated this tournament with unthinking, knee-jerk nationalism and forgotten that this is just a showcase for some great young players. Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.

The thing that really bugs me is the treatment of opposing players -- guys like Ovechkin, Jack Johnson, and, tonight, Hedman and Markstrom. These are kids who are putting on a fantastic show for these fans, yet they get booed when they touch the puck by these same unthinking people.

It's shameful and I'm sorry.

Congratulations to both the Canadian kids who played with honour for the most part, and to the Swedes who had an excellent tournament.

i just find it funny how some, not all, but some of these fans that are booing these kids are actually going to be fans of theirs in a few years when theyre on their NHL team...but i guess to some, thats how it works. excellent tourney all around play-wise...except from the us...boooooooooooooooo

Hello there fellow Hockeyfans!
I'm the first to congratulate a better team for winning, so congratulations Team Canada for a well played tourney.
You are the number one team and you deserved the gold!

But let's also separate fact from fiction here:

* Hedmans wrestlingaction against Esposito was not a cheapshot!
I smile when I think about how your players would react if, lets say, Lasu had done the same thing to Tokarski that Esposito did to Markstrom. We would probably be one swede less if that happened.
'Cause it was not a struggle about winning the puck, if you watch the re-runs; Markstrom sent the puck away and a player that isn't carrying the puck does not have to take a hit(and that's a player). Markstrom is a goalie(!) and is, in fact, untouchable. Esposito could easily have avoided to let his right leg wander of into Markstroms left leg, it's all there on the gamevid.
So any of you who stand for your words about "Hedman's cheapshot" or "Markstrom's diving": Just let go of it, it is making you just look ridicolous.


* The Della Rovere-incident?
You can't deny that the second attack should've given the swedes a PP2 instead of giving Markstrom a penalty and a pp1. Markstrom didn't even hit the canuck when trying to. And that's also there to view in the gamevid. Take a close look.

There has been many great Canadian hockeyplayers through the years, that's a fact. But you also have to know that you guys don't play under the same conditions as the rest of the worlds national teams. Since Hockey has it's main office in Canada you get a lot of stuff for free. It is a good thing for a ref to be popular in Canada, that makes his chances of judging the next big tournament much bigger. Anyone remember WC2003 when Peter Forsberg was sodomised by Scott Niedermayer?
No actions was taken by the ref and our most valuable player ever played the game was shaken while your players, yet again, got to
understand that it's your game and you can bend the rules to whatever you want 'em to be.
That's just a minor example, don't get me started on it, cause I will bring you down in a discussion, just realize that it is true.


Swedes? You want to compete with us? You had better become as passionate as we are. Otherwise, enjoy being a runner up.

Don't forget that we only won once in the Juniors, and that we roughed up your team really bad last year. Our 90's are much better than the 89's. So bring it next year then.

Felt good though when our Golden generation got to win the 2006 Olympics. Great moment, you'll probably take the gold back 2010
but right now Sweden is #1 in the senior hockey world. But hey, wait a minute, wasn't it an all-swede team that won the Stanley cup 08? (Okey, not all-swede but a majority.)
I think the Olympic gold will stay were it belongs. :handclap:

Since Hockey has it's main office in Canada you get a lot of stuff for free.

The main office is in Zurich, Switzerland.

It is a good thing for a ref to be popular in Canada, that makes his chances of judging the next big tournament much bigger.

Ah, so it doesn't really matter where the ref comes from.

They're ALL Canadian at heart.

Got it. :thumbu:

See, this is what I don't get.

There's all this whining and complaining about the nationality of the ref, but then when you've got an entirely European referee crew, you come up with this gem of a conspiracy theory anyway.

I smile when I think about how your players would react if, lets say, Lasu had done the same thing to Tokarski that Esposito did to Markstrom. We would probably be one swede less if that happened.

You must have missed the play where Tokarski was elbowed in the face by a Swedish player and there was no penalty.

I smile when I think about how your players would react if, lets say, Lasu had done the same thing to Tokarski that Esposito did to Markstrom. We would probably be one swede less if that happened.
'Cause it was not a struggle about winning the puck, if you watch the re-runs; Markstrom sent the puck away and a player that isn't carrying the puck does not have to take a hit(and that's a player). Markstrom is a goalie(!) and is, in fact, untouchable.

Markstrom came out of his net and got a tap. A tap. And looked like he got shot, definitely should have been a penalty to0 Markstrom on that. When you come out like that to play the puck, you are touchable and he did try to avoid him and almost did but barely hit him and Markstrom went flying.

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I can't believe this sith. The first one is questionable, but the last three: clear intentions to hit Markström. Only one 2min penalty?

God Bless America that Markström didn't hurt himself when Esposito checked him down. Canadians can call these dives but I think everybody else know that they were nothing but a dirty tricks from a dirty team.

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Hello there fellow Hockeyfans!
I'm the first to congratulate a better team for winning, so congratulations Team Canada for a well played tourney.
You are the number one team and you deserved the gold!

But let's also separate fact from fiction here:

* Hedmans wrestlingaction against Esposito was not a cheapshot!
I smile when I think about how your players would react if, lets say, Lasu had done the same thing to Tokarski that Esposito did to Markstrom. We would probably be one swede less if that happened.
'Cause it was not a struggle about winning the puck, if you watch the re-runs; Markstrom sent the puck away and a player that isn't carrying the puck does not have to take a hit(and that's a player). Markstrom is a goalie(!) and is, in fact, untouchable. Esposito could easily have avoided to let his right leg wander of into Markstroms left leg, it's all there on the gamevid.
So any of you who stand for your words about "Hedman's cheapshot" or "Markstrom's diving": Just let go of it, it is making you just look ridicolous.


* The Della Rovere-incident?
You can't deny that the second attack should've given the swedes a PP2 instead of giving Markstrom a penalty and a pp1. Markstrom didn't even hit the canuck when trying to. And that's also there to view in the gamevid. Take a close look.

There has been many great Canadian hockeyplayers through the years, that's a fact. But you also have to know that you guys don't play under the same conditions as the rest of the worlds national teams. Since Hockey has it's main office in Canada you get a lot of stuff for free. It is a good thing for a ref to be popular in Canada, that makes his chances of judging the next big tournament much bigger. Anyone remember WC2003 when Peter Forsberg was sodomised by Scott Niedermayer?
No actions was taken by the ref and our most valuable player ever played the game was shaken while your players, yet again, got to
understand that it's your game and you can bend the rules to whatever you want 'em to be.
That's just a minor example, don't get me started on it, cause I will bring you down in a discussion, just realize that it is true.

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Swedes? You want to compete with us? You had better become as passionate as we are. Otherwise, enjoy being a runner up.
Don't forget that we only won once in the Juniors, and that we roughed up your team really bad last year. Our 90's are much better than the 89's. So bring it next year then.

Felt good though when our Golden generation got to win the 2006 Olympics. Great moment, you'll probably take the gold back 2010
but right now Sweden is #1 in the senior hockey world. But hey, wait a minute, wasn't it an all-swede team that won the Stanley cup 08? (Okey, not all-swede but a majority.)
I think the Olympic gold will stay were it belongs.
Great post!
Not Scott Niedermayer though, it was Rob.

The whole team wasn't booed. Two players were.

We also boo Crosby here in Ottawa. And Yashin. and Pronger.

You do know what the thread is about, it is about issues during the ceremony.

There was no issues during the ceremony, the only issues are the ones you're trying to create.

Great post!
Not Scott Niedermayer though, it was Rob.

And a penalty was given.

And Mika Hannula cross-checked Crosby in the mouth after play had stopped.

Don't pretend your team are a bunch of angels.

I can't believe this sith. The first one is questionable, but the last three: clear intentions to hit Markström. Only one 2min penalty?

God Bless America that Markström didn't hurt himself when Esposito checked him down. Canadians can call these dives but I think everybody else know that they were nothing but a dirty tricks from a dirty team.

Are you kidding me? He was clearly diving. The only one I believe may not have been was the one on the delayed penalty. The others were clear dives. Sweden wanted to play dirty and dive over stupid stuff, well maybe they should have concentrated on the scoreboard.

I would like to congratulate the crowd for having been behind the underdogs throughout this tournament. I'm pretty sure that as much as some countries were sooooooo badly treated, other countries surely appreciated the support.

Good job Ottawa. For whoever thinks that you lack class 'cause you dangerously and viciously booed some players, you've demonstrated class in a lot of other occasions which at worst even things out.

Memo to players who play in such an important tournament....if you're not ready for booing, don't play hockey. Then some people in here are so not giving the credit to those kids who understand the meaning of this tournament and won't end up crying 'cause they were booed a little.....As if NOTHING like that happen in a european arena.....Give the kids more credit than that...

I was at the Kazakhstan - Czech game, and most of us, including myself and my friends, cheered for Kazakhstan. We were freaking out because they scored two goals! The players loved the crowd.

As one who's team was no better than 5th I watched this game with interest (but not passion LOL)

Observations:

-the Canadian team transitions from Defense to offense better than any other team I saw in the tourney (though I didn't see much of the Russian team)

-The incident where the Swedish Goalie was out by the faceoff dot and playing the puck seemed to be "undercalled " by the ref's. From watching several of the replays last night I wondered if the ref's should have called a leg check on the Canadian player. I suspect the ensuing events allowed them to make it a non call along with the roughing/wrestling by the Swedish player.

- As for "diving", don't like it and would prefer the ref's called players on it. If they had called the Canadian player for diving early in the game and then the Swedish equivilent it probably would have put an end to it.

-the Canadian team outplayed the Swedes all over the ice and played like they wanted it more than the Swedes.

-It was a fun game to watch (yes I was rooting for Canada with the USA out of medal contention) though I always root for the goalies to make great saves.

-I thought the Candians, for the most part limited the types of scoring opportunities for Sweden by keeping shots to the outside and allowing thier goalie to have more routine saves to make.

- Play this game over and over and 18 out of 20 times Canada wins.

-It was basically a 3-1 win for Canada (ENG are not all that important to me in evaluating the games action and tempo)

-As for the booing, I thought it was clever on when Hedman touched the puck off otherwise. Would have loved to see if the crowd could have kept up with a quck series of passes between Hedman and other Swedish players though LOL

-As for 18 yr olds being vewed as adults or kids, well as a Father of an 18 yr old and one who had 3 others pass through that milestone before (with two to go through yet) I'm not sure that they are fully mature emotionally as you should expect. There is nothing magic about the 18th birthday that makes them mature adults. More likely, because so many of them have had some benefit from their skill on the ice that would be different than the avg. teenager one might find them to be less mature than most 18 yr old adults.

How did you watch the game from the Boston area? Which TV network was covering it? The old WCSN.com? or by p2p TV?

Hopefully my American counter parts have enough class not to go back after the Canadians next yr in Buffalo ( I believe ? ) I've been to Canada many times and have strong relationships with people in the country I have nothing against the country what so ever but the fans that showed up and put on that embarrassing display should be hung.

Congrats Canada for the gold.

Don't worry that won't happen in Buffalo in 2011(Regina and Saskatoon in 2010).
90% of the crowd will be Canadian!

Besides, what actions by the Canadian players warranted to be booed?

One thing about canadiens is funny to me.
Outside of hockey you are one of the friendliest and nicest people in the world.
But inside a hockeyarena you are turned into monsters who wants blood.

Like the romans back when the Coliseum was in working order.

P.S. People who say Markström should be ashamed. Yeah those people dont know hockey at all. Bandwagons. Boo him out when he is in Florida to.

What players were doing the punching to heads when the player was lying on the ice?
btw...don't you guys feed your players since one seemed to have a bit a Canadian player during a scrum?

I'd like to apologize for the supposed "fans" booing your great young players and taking a junior tournament far too seriously.

Unfortunately, Canadian fans in general have somehow associated this tournament with unthinking, knee-jerk nationalism and forgotten that this is just a showcase for some great young players. Witness not only the completely illogical association of the team with the military (visit to Petawawa, head of armed forced interviewed in the crowd), but also Stephen Harper in the crowd and mounties on the ice at the end of games. It's stupid. Many of us realize it, but we're drowned out by the face-painted flag-wavers.

The thing that really bugs me is the treatment of opposing players -- guys like Ovechkin, Jack Johnson, and, tonight, Hedman and Markstrom. These are kids who are putting on a fantastic show for these fans, yet they get booed when they touch the puck by these same unthinking people.

It's shameful and I'm sorry.

Congratulations to both the Canadian kids who played with honour for the most part, and to the Swedes who had an excellent tournament.

Who are you to apologize on the behalf of someone else ? I'm not a guy who goes to a game to boo. I don't boo a poor power play and singling out a player whenever he touches the puck sems like work. Fans do this now, going to games has become interactive with the crowds and like it or not, that's the way it is.

Assuming your moral high ground is both presumptious and arrogant.

Are you kidding me? He was clearly diving. The only one I believe may not have been was the one on the delayed penalty. The others were clear dives. Sweden wanted to play dirty and dive over stupid stuff, well maybe they should have concentrated on the scoreboard.

The one on the delayed penalty, why was Markstrom skating away from his bench and towards Della Rovere?

I know that Della Rovere is no angel, and I'm definitely not a fan of his, but in that particular case he was trying to circle back towards our zone and Markstrom went out of his way to make contact with him, and then flopped around as if he'd been shot.

It was an embarrassing display.

Notice that the Canadian players kept their discipline when the Swede elbowed Tokarski in the head while he was in his crease? Notice that Tokarski didn't send his helmet flying off, shooting his stick down to the corner of the ice?

I apologize to everyone who read this thread, it's obvious this guy is new to sports.

Notice that the Canadian players kept their discipline when the Swede elbowed Tokarski in the head while he was in his crease? Notice that Tokarski didn't send his helmet flying off, shooting his stick down to the corner of the ice?

It was Tedenby.

And funny enough, no penalty was given.

I apologize to everyone who read this thread, it's obvious this guy is new to sports.

Apology accepted.

The main office is in Zurich, Switzerland.

IIHF, yes. Sorry there, what I tried to say is that since Canada's been ranked #1 for a long time Canada gets to run all the tourneys wheter it's which changing room they want, wich practice time and place, if Russia really needs that extra hours of rest(:amazed:) That's being the main office.

Ah, so it doesn't really matter where the ref comes from.

They're ALL Canadian at heart.

Got it. :thumbu:

See, this is what I don't get.

There's all this whining and complaining about the nationality of the ref, but then when you've got an entirely European referee crew, you come up with this gem of a conspiracy theory anyway.

There is no conspiracy theory, this is facts that is well documented since the fall of CCCP's domination.

You must have missed the play where Tokarski was elbowed in the face by a Swedish player and there was no penalty.

I saw it, there was no elbow.



Don't run, face the facts. And besides didn't I say your team was better?

It was Tedenby.

And funny enough, no penalty was given.

It's a conspiracy :sarcasm:

Don't run, face the facts.

LOL, there's no proof behind any of your "facts".

You've used the word "fact" without any of the baggage (i.e. evidence) that is required for a fact to be, in fact, a fact.

And besides didn't I say your team was better?

I don't think anyone who has ever watched hockey could deny that Canada was better in this game.

I saw it, there was no elbow.

See, now I finally understand why Swedish fans have such a problem with the officiating.

Collective hallucination.

They don't think anything Sweden did went uncalled.

I wish we had what you're smoking. It sounds like a very pleasant fantasyland to dwell in.

Don't run, face the facts. And besides didn't I say your team was better?

Does that give you a license to spew nonsense unchallenged?

"Sweden is a beautiful country. It's too bad everybody there is a lying thief. What? Didn't I say it was a beautiful country?"

Originally Posted by King Clancy View Post
Notice that the Canadian players kept their discipline when the Swede elbowed Tokarski in the head while he was in his crease? Notice that Tokarski didn't send his helmet flying off, shooting his stick down to the corner of the ice?
It was Tedenby.That was clearly in retaliation yes, for running Markstroms five times.. Also some Canadian was able to rough up Tedenby so it was not like it was unanswered. You really like to make things up so that it fits your 'excuses' for winning the game, don't you?

That was clearly in retaliation yes, for running Markstroms five times.. Also some Canadian was able to rough up Tedenby so it was not like it was unanswered. You really like to make things up so that it fits your 'excuses' for winning the game, don't you?

I like the way the number goes up with every post.

"Yeah, yeah, of course Tedenby hit the Canadian goalie. Markstrom was run 17 times!"

I can understand if people are mad about the booing of Hedman, but don't be surprised about Markstrom, what he did in that gold medal game was a disgrace to hockey, and he not only embarassed himself while representing his country, he embarassed his team.

I can understand if people are mad about the booing of Hedman, but don't be surprised about Markstrom, what he did in that gold medal game was a disgrace to hockey, and he not only embarassed himself while representing his country, he embarassed his team.

I was embarassed for him.

That was clearly in retaliation yes, for running Markstroms five times.. Also some Canadian was able to rough up Tedenby so it was not like it was unanswered. You really like to make things up so that it fits your 'excuses' for winning the game, don't you?

I make absolutely no excuses for winning that game. It was domination from start to finish, and I never felt the outcome was in question.

I was disappointed because before the game I felt that Sweden had a very good chance of winning, but it seems like from the opening faceoff they let their emotions get the better of them and never recovered.

I remember watch a Canada - Soviet matchup during the Soviet era in Moscow and the Canadians were booed or whistled from when they stepped on the ice to everytime they touched the puck.

It works both ways and comes with the territory. Quick "whinning" and start "winning" for a change.

I was disappointed because before the game I felt that Sweden had a very good chance of winning, but it seems like from the opening faceoff they let their emotions get the better of them and never recovered.

Who would have thought that the first punch in the game would have been thrown by Backlund, after Tavares did absolutely nothing?

As far as I'm concerned, he lost Sweden the game from the very beginning, by setting a tone of stupidity.

There was no issues during the ceremony, the only issues are the ones you're trying to create.

Ward Cornell, I watched it, all watched it, you just come out as liar if you deny it Ward. There where booing, especially when Swedish players skated forward for the award.

That is plain bad, mostly for the ones who boo, they make themselves worse - not the players they are booing. It is all about having integrity, you can set any standard for yourself, fine, but I have higher standards than booing during an award.

Ward Cornell, I watched it, all watched it, you just come out as liar if you deny it Ward. There where booing, especially when Swedish players skated forward for the award.

WRONG.

I have it on tape.

Moller held up the plate and they all cheered, and they were all cheered as they received their silver medals.

I was embarassed for him.

So true. I also didn't like the booing of Hedman. It just showed some lack of class and character.

Who would have thought that the first punch in the game would have been thrown by Backlund, after Tavares did absolutely nothing?

As far as I'm concerned, he lost Sweden the game from the very beginning, by setting a tone of stupidity.

I felt the exact same way.

As a matter of fact, I thought the same in the Canada-USA game when the USA coach lost his cool. His team lost their composure then and were never able to recover.

Ottawa has the worst sports fans in North America so it's par for the course for them.

Ottawa has the worst sports fans in North America so it's par for the course for them.

Funny coming from a guy whose favorite team's fans routinely boo the national anthem of other countries.

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"Give INNN to your HATE of Ottawa....FEEL THE AAAANNNNGERRRR floooowwww...."

Are you kidding me? He was clearly diving. The only one I believe may not have been was the one on the delayed penalty. The others were clear dives. Sweden wanted to play dirty and dive over stupid stuff, well maybe they should have concentrated on the scoreboard.

So you are saying there were no physical contact between Markström and Canadian players?

It must be you kidding yourself..

I felt the exact same way.

As a matter of fact, I thought the same in the Canada-USA game when the USA coach lost his cool. His team lost their composure then and were never able to recover.

Coincidence? ;)

Funny coming from a guy whose favorite team's fans routinely boo the national anthem of other countries.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/09/images/02emperor350.jpg

"Give INNN to your HATE of Ottawa....FEEL THE AAAANNNNGERRRR floooowwww...."

Not to mention riot after winning a first round playoff series, causing untold amounts of damages to innocent people and businesses.

But we're the ones with no class because some people booed a few players during a hockey game.

Nyquill:
I do understand that since we're cheering for diffrent teams we will have different opinions on how situations occured. How could Tedenby avoid hitting Tokarski when he has a Canuck in his rear-end pushing him into the goal. And I actually like what he does there, if you show me footage of the elbow I will be the first to apologize for saying that there wasn't one. I don't know if we had a worse view of the scene but show me and I will admit I was wrong.

And the facts that I'm talking about is just easy for you to look up. Like the officials decides that Russia should play there Quarter second instead of firsth, that did happen didn't it? You are in control, just admit it.

What a stupid post! If I would have been there, I would have painted my face, worn my jersey and waved my flag. I would have booed Hedman and Markstrum because of their stupid antics. They got booed because of the antics, until they did what they did they didn't get booed. The fans cheered the Swedes when they got their medals and awards and were obviously delirious when Canada won.
So a few people booed Markstrum after. Big deal, the majority didn't. Maybe he'll learn from it because his diving was pitiful and he's lucky he wasn't given unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

Sandlak, I'd better see you outside picketing the next 12-13 year old game I attend in Canada. If you really wanted to do some good, that's where you'd be, where legitimate children get booed, cussed at, and racked over the coals by opposing parents. If you want something to cry about, that's your venue. That is where true injustice is done, and where there are legitimate issues that Hockey Canada needs to address.

Last night there was no issue. These were YOUNG MEN, not children. I guarantee you that it hurt your precious feelings far more than it hurt Hedman or Markstrom.

As for the Swedes complaining that Canada bullied their way to victory, well isn't that shocking. That's the excuse you come up with every single time you get beaten by Canada. There was no exceptional bullying, just hard play from both teams. Plenty was overlooked by the refs, and there were dirty plays on both sides. You simply were beaten. Suck up your sour grapes and enjoy your Olympic gold. Thankfully the vast majority of your hockey fans aren't huge babies like the message board geeks amongst you, something all us hockey nations seem to have in common.

WRONG.

I have it on tape.

Moller held up the plate and they all cheered, and they were all cheered as they received their silver medals.

Well then I don't have to tell you, just watch the tape. Really a class act, especially when Markström skates forward (I tell you so that you don't have to search the tape).

What a stupid post! If I would have been there, I would have painted my face, worn my jersey and waved my flag. I would have booed Hedman and Markstrum because of their stupid antics. They got booed because of the antics, until they did what they did they didn't get booed. The fans cheered the Swedes when they got their medals and awards and were obviously delirious when Canada won.
So a few people booed Markstrum after. Big deal, the majority didn't. Maybe he'll learn from it because his diving was pitiful and he's lucky he wasn't given unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

Now what did Hedman do again? Did he traumatize the poor guy with that headlock? Had Esposito done what he did in the NHL he'd get far more than a meager headlock in return...

Well then I don't have to tell you, just watch the tape. Really a class act, especially when Markström skates forward (I tell you so that you don't have to search the tape).

Maybe they were just worried he was going to blocker some guy in the face again....

I don't recall the booing, but if it was when he was named 'Top Goalie' - I'd say some of it was also because a fair number of people thought Janus had a legitimate shot at the award as well.

Its just booing - it means nothing. If that's the worst thing that happens to them, they have lived a pretty sweet life. Its a bunch of people you don't care about who don't like you.

Now what did Hedman do again? Did he traumatize the poor guy with that headlock? Had Esposito done what he did in the NHL he'd get far more than a meager headlock in return...

And the other team's fans would still boo.

I don't see the big deal.

Hedman wasn't even penalized.

Major Junior / Collegiate ranks is very competitive as well - A fair share of booing is there as well. This isn't ****ing houseleague.

I completely agree. The World Juniors is just Canada's version of college football. So, what, 100000 Gators fans are supposed to clap politely when the Sooners get a touchdown next Thursday? Those "kids" (really fully voting adults) are the same age. It's ridiculous to expect any different behaviour than the rabid collegiate sports ranks.

This ISN'T houseleague. This is a major international tournament with the best young hockey players in the entire world. And what, we should all shout "You're all winners!", like it's some peewee game?

If the OP's argument is that "they're only 18!", then perhaps, we shouldn't let NHLers play in the NHL at that age. If Viktor Hedman can't handle a bit of booing, then maybe he's not ready for the bigs next year, where I guarantee you he will receive his fair share of boos.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire. I am proud to have been part of the booing throngs at SBP yesterday, and the OP's "apology" does not apply to me. (Although I agree booing at the end of a game is pretty classless)

Now what did Hedman do again? Did he traumatize the poor guy with that headlock? Had Esposito done what he did in the NHL he'd get far more than a meager headlock in return...

True, but in the NHL or even in the QMJHL - he probably would have thrown some punches back. He chose to be disciplined in the biggest game of his career, while playing hockey in a division which harshly punishes fighting.

Maybe they were just worried he was going to blocker some guy in the face again....

I don't recall the booing, but if it was when he was named 'Top Goalie' - I'd say some of it was also because a fair number of people thought Janus had a legitimate shot at the award as well.

Its just booing - it means nothing. If that's the worst thing that happens to them, they have lived a pretty sweet life. Its a bunch of people you don't care about who don't like you.

There was some polite clapping, but from what I recall you could hear some boos.

I understand why people booed Markstrom, in some of those cases he clearly was more than willing to fall. But why Hedman? He stuck for his teammate. He should've done that. It's what teammates are to do. And this is what canadians are very good at.

But then I remembered it was in Ottawa and they booed Schenn on draft day. Ans Sundin for no purpose at all, just for retaliation. I hope you'll get another Daigle) You really deserved the first one

Does that give you a license to spew nonsense unchallenged?

"Sweden is a beautiful country. It's too bad everybody there is a lying thief. What? Didn't I say it was a beautiful country?"

It sure as hell does! Look it up, it's in the Geneva Convetion! -Ricky Bobby

No but seriously, your taking words out of context here. If you read Nyquills post you'll understand what I'm trying to do by saying that your team was better (Which I mean). I know that I can't get you to understand what the rest of the hockeyworld outside Canada knows, but it's fun to discuss isn't it?

True, but in the NHL or even in the QMJHL - he probably would have thrown some punches back. He chose to be disciplined in the biggest game of his career, while playing hockey in a division which harshly punishes fighting.

This is another point that the Canadians need to be commended for. They come from leagues where retaliation and fighting are the norm but they held their emotions in check in the last game and, for the most part, did not retaliate and take more penalties.

But then I remembered it was in Ottawa and they booed Schenn on draft day. Ans Sundin for no purpose at all, just for retaliation. I hope you'll get another Daigle) You really deserved the first one

It doesn't surprise me that a fan acquainted with the ACC doesn't understand anything about crowd volume.

After all, cheering and booing interfere with Blackberry reception in the lower bowl.

Now pass the sushi please.

But then I remembered it was in Ottawa and they booed Schenn on draft day. Ans Sundin for no purpose at all, just for retaliation. I hope you'll get another Daigle) You really deserved the first one


Yea, why on earth should Sens fan boo Schenn when he was drafted by the Leafs. And Sundin as well, no reason at all to boo him.

Yea, why on earth should Sens fan boo Schenn when he was drafted by the Leafs. And Sundin as well, no reason at all to boo him.

It's because Sens fans have no class, duh.

Sens fans should cheer for Darcy Tucker, because it's only a game. Similarly, Leaf fans should cheer for Alfredsson.

It doesn't surprise me that a fan acquainted with the ACC doesn't understand anything about crowd volume.

After all, cheering and booing interfere with Blackberry reception in the lower bowl.

Now pass the sushi please.

Sushi > Hotdogs and popcorn

That said, the first 20 rows of fans at a Leaf game suck. I think most Leaf fans would agree with that. The good fans are in the less expensive seats unfortunately.

Just never light a match at a Sens game though. All those cheap polyester suits from the government worker crowd will be razed in under a minute.

Just never light a match at a Sens game though. All those cheap polyester suits from the government worker crowd will be razed in under a minute.

It's a non-smoking building and there are plenty of Health Canada employees around to enforce the Tobacco Control Programme.

They're insidious, those bureaucrats.

Sushi > Hotdogs and popcorn

That said, the first 20 rows of fans at a Leaf game suck. I think most Leaf fans would agree with that. The good fans are in the less expensive seats unfortunately.

How dare you polute this discussion by bringing up the Leafs. :laugh: I refuse to go to their games. I paid $30 for a good seat in Phoenix.

I'd see the World Juniors before I waste my time and money with the Leafs.

Whoever started this thread, you too kind... seriously. The fans had a reason to boo. We just had a crowd full of people passionate about the sport and our country.

And the other team's fans would still boo.

I don't see the big deal.

Hedman wasn't even penalized.

The big deal is that the fans booed someone about something they'd probably both expect and demand for the Canadians to do if it had been the opposite, if someone would be running over Tokarski. I'm pretty sure people would demand for his teammates to do the right thing and step up for him if that'd been the case.

People do step up for their goalies in hockey, so it's kind of funny how they boo when someone on the opposing team does exactly the same thing that they'd fully expect their own players to do. Some call it passion, others call it double standards.

Normally, I don't like to see teenagers getting booed but Markstrom was a petulant baby all night long. Therefore, I think he deserved it.

I agree with the OP about the presence of Harper in the building, and all this team-building nonsense at Petawawa. That wasn't very Canadian in my view, it's an example of Harper and his goons pushing us further to the American right.

It doesn't surprise me that a fan acquainted with the ACC doesn't understand anything about crowd volume.

After all, cheering and booing interfere with Blackberry reception in the lower bowl.

Now pass the sushi please.

Yeah, nice try) though I don't live in Canada. Funny you mention crowds because when we play you in Ottawa there are not many of sens fans.

Now, please take my free canned food and I'll go take my seat in your arena :)

The big deal is that the fans booed someone about something they'd probably both expect and demand for the Canadians to do if it had been the opposite, if someone would be running over Tokarski. I'm pretty sure people would demand for his teammates to do the right thing and step up for him if that'd been the case.

People do step up for their goalies in hockey, so it's kind of funny how they boo when someone on the opposing team does exactly the same thing that they'd fully expect their own players to do. Some call it passion, others call it double standards.

What is so difficult to understand about the game was being played in Canada. Team Canada was playing in Canada in the gold medal game. I repeat, Team Canada was playing in Canada in the gold medal game. Are they suppose to root on the Swedes? So if the game was in Sweden the Swedish crowd wouldn't ever boo a Canadian player? I find that very hard to believe...

I don't understand why people are so uppity about this. Maybe it's because I'm a Habs fan and we boo the opposition all the time but it's a ****ing sporting event. The fans there are cheering for THEIR team to win. They don't like when you punch the players they are cheering for. They don't like when your goalie is flopping around (whether a penalty should have been called on those plays or not he was flopping around). You and others act like you've never been to a sporting event.

Funny coming from a guy whose favorite team's fans routinely boo the national anthem of other countries.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/09/images/02emperor350.jpg

"Give INNN to your HATE of Ottawa....FEEL THE AAAANNNNGERRRR floooowwww...."

Oh yeah, like the booing of the American Anthem has never happened in Ottawa, or Vancouver (the sight of the last two WJC in Canada).

Please....that Anthem booing thing is old and no more strictly a Montreal thing. From what I can remember the last few years, San Jose along with Ottawa and Vancouver are there as well.

Trust me this is nothing, only a speck on Canada's long resume of crazy antics. Not even a speck, can't believe the Swedes are crying about fans. I know lots of them watch football and it's far worse their.

It's not the same thing, I can take a loss in football against any country (well, except countries who shouldn't stand a chance like Paraguay, Trinidad Tobago etc), and I can also take a loss in hockey, but in sports there is no greater gloating winners than Canada. I seriously wonder how all posters going "homer much?" and making gritty remarks like "flopström" can even consider posting under their own national flag without any sense of shame.

Thanks to the OP and the people who don't jump on the canadian bandwagon though, it just goes to show that alot of canadians can get around the transe of idiocy that 20.000 went into when they entered the arena last night.

Seems like 90% of the canadiens feels that they won fair and square.
I´ve heard that the film "Midnight Express" actually was recorded in Ottawa with the locals.
I believe that´s the truth.

When I first saw that we were using mounties for the post games ceremonies, I had a thought about the two chicks with huge cleavages in Prague last year....

Not to mention riot after winning a first round playoff series, causing untold amounts of damages to innocent people and businesses.

But we're the ones with no class because some people booed a few players during a hockey game.

Please stop talking of stuff you have no clue of...

Please stop talking of stuff you have no clue of...

Are you denying it?

Are you denying it?

Those weren't hockey fans. They were anarchists that used the celebration as a cover for their actions. There had been a number of incidents in the previous weeks, but all the people celebrating in the streets gave them their opportunity to go completely nuts.

Not to mention riot after winning a first round playoff series, causing untold amounts of damages to innocent people and businesses.

But we're the ones with no class because some people booed a few players during a hockey game.
Were the guys that rioted hockey fans? Or some bums from street gangs that needed a reason to break things?

I see that AH already responded, King Clancy has no idea what he's talking about.

Those weren't hockey fans. They were anarchists that used the celebration as a cover for their actions. There had been a number of incidents in the previous weeks, but all the people celebrating in the streets gave them their opportunity to go completely nuts.

All I'm saying is that before the fans of Montreal and Toronto throw stones at the fans in Ottawa for booing, they should make sure they protect their glass houses with some very sturdy materials.

It's not the same thing, I can take a loss in football against any country (well, except countries who shouldn't stand a chance like Paraguay, Trinidad Tobago etc), and I can also take a loss in hockey, but in sports there is no greater gloating winners than Canada. I seriously wonder how all posters going "homer much?" and making gritty remarks like "flopström" can even consider posting under their own national flag without any sense of shame.

Thanks to the OP and the people who don't jump on the canadian bandwagon though, it just goes to show that alot of canadians can get around the transe of idiocy that 20.000 went into when they entered the arena last night.
Pretty much. On these boards, when there are international games, the crap truly only hits the fan when there are games between Canada and some country. Russia, USA, Sweden, doesn't matter.

There are bad winners and then there are some truly arrogant, double standard Canadian hockey fans on the next level. And of course there are also very good posters left who are worth mentioning. We have also our fair share of childish posters, but what makes these Canadian posters look extra bad is they gloat after a win. Every time. I don't know about Canada, but that's a big, big no no in our culture.

. I don't know about Canada, but that's a big, big no no in our culture.

Conspiracy theories and whining apparently take up too much time to allow for gloating. Well, that and the fact that there hasn't been anything there to gloat about.

Well the OP can apologize all he wants, but I for one am very proud of my fellow Canadians. Showing up in great numbers not just to the Canada games, but also to the others, making lots of noise and being passionate. Some booing towards a couple of players during the gold medal game doesn't change the fact that Ottawa put on a great show and the fans were very classy and hospitable to the other teams.

Conspiracy theories and whining apparently take up too much time to allow for gloating. Well, that and the fact that there hasn't been anything there to gloat about.
The defense rests.

What is so difficult to understand about the game was being played in Canada. Team Canada was playing in Canada in the gold medal game. I repeat, Team Canada was playing in Canada in the gold medal game. Are they suppose to root on the Swedes? So if the game was in Sweden the Swedish crowd wouldn't ever boo a Canadian player? I find that very hard to believe...

I don't understand why people are so uppity about this. Maybe it's because I'm a Habs fan and we boo the opposition all the time but it's a ****ing sporting event. The fans there are cheering for THEIR team to win. They don't like when you punch the players they are cheering for. They don't like when your goalie is flopping around (whether a penalty should have been called on those plays or not he was flopping around). You and others act like you've never been to a sporting event.

Haha, I go to sporting events several times a week. But I would never boo a guy for standing up for his goalie if someone on my team had taken liberties on him. While I might not stand up and cheer him on, I would understand him and I wouldn't be rancorous about it either. I would however boo a guy who takes runs at the goalie or does other cheapshots, but not someone defending their goalie, not even an opponent doing so.

I also find it funny with all people bashing Swedes for whining, complaining etc. Let's just say they are passionate about their game and hate losing. Hence the upset posters and feelings, especially if they feel that everything wasn't totally fair. Canada was the better team in this game though, but that's not the reason why some people are upset.

But why would the Canadians even care if there are some sore losers anyway? It's a sporting event, there are always sore losers as well as bad winners, everywhere around the world. Go ahead and celebrate the gold with style and dignity instead.

Yeah, I haven't seen more than like 2 people who didn't admit Canada was the better team, that's not what swedish fans are upset about, it's HOW they won.

And yeah, instead of booing the opponents I would really respect Canada alot if they would cheer on harder for their own team instead. But I guess it's easier succumbing to hate.

Whatever. It's a hockey game in Canada where we can not stand flopping and moaning. If I was there I would of boo'd as well. It was embarassing watching some of the antics from there goalie. He was relishing in the spotlight and could very well have caused his team to lose that game. He didn't look like a #1 goalie to me.

Well the OP can apologize all he wants, but I for one am very proud of my fellow Canadians. Showing up in great numbers not just to the Canada games, but also to the others, making lots of noise and being passionate. Some booing towards a couple of players during the gold medal game doesn't change the fact that Ottawa put on a great show and the fans were very classy and hospitable to the other teams.

Agreed. Rene Fasel said that he likes having the tournament in Canada because the fans show up for all the games, and gives the kids from Kazakhstan and the other smaller countries a pretty unique chance to play in front of thousands of fans. He was talking about those games getting double digit attendance when the tournament is hosted in Europe. Its still a World Championship, and Ottawa gave all the teams a big stage to play on.

The defense rests.


The defence might as well rest it's the best thing they can do for their case. The longer they go on the more pathetic they look.

Now what did Hedman do again? Did he traumatize the poor guy with that headlock? Had Esposito done what he did in the NHL he'd get far more than a meager headlock in return...


lol - not from hedman, thats for sure. I think we have She-min 2 in the works, people. :nod:

Look at these whiners crying cuz they got rocked by canada!! BOOOOOOOO sweden!!

Maybe the euros can have their own non-contact tournement so they don't have to watch their pretty boys getting hammered and get all worked up over it. I wouldn't mind watching Canada play USA all the time they know how to play real hockey.

it's kind of funny how they boo when someone on the opposing team does exactly the same thing that they'd fully expect their own players to do. Some call it passion, others call it double standards.

Really? I disagree wholeheartedly. I never expect to see Canadian players wearing a Team Canada jersey diving all over the ice like the Swedes did last night, or performing as poorly on the power play as did the Swedes, or embellishing minor scrapes into Emmy award winning performances as did Markstrom, or even biting another player for that matter. I'd boo Canadian players if they put on a similarly embarrassing performance.

Far too much whining from many of the Swede fans here. They don't just hand out gold medals, you have to earn them, just like Canada have for the past 5 years running. I'd also boo Canadian fans if they whined as much as have many of the Swede fans.

To the many whining Swedish fans.... Boooooo!

Not to mention riot after winning a first round playoff series, causing untold amounts of damages to innocent people and businesses.

But we're the ones with no class because some people booed a few players during a hockey game.

Low class Ottawa fans booing Bettman at the draft last summer even though he saved your bankrupt franchise earlier in the decade.

Pretty much. On these boards, when there are international games, the crap truly only hits the fan when there are games between Canada and some country. Russia, USA, Sweden, doesn't matter.

There are bad winners and then there are some truly arrogant, double standard Canadian hockey fans on the next level. And of course there are also very good posters left who are worth mentioning. We have also our fair share of childish posters, but what makes these Canadian posters look extra bad is they gloat after a win. Every time. I don't know about Canada, but that's a big, big no no in our culture.

I know discussion boards is the last place I expect finding humble winners but I thought people were very respectful at the game.

I met a lot of Russian fans after their bronze medal and the Canadians fans were congratulating them on their win. Same thing after the gold medal game, I did not see Swedes fans being taunted or canadian fans rubbing it in their faces. I actually saw the opposite and people congratulating them on a good game.

As for the booing of Hedman and Markstrom, it was definately due to their actions on the ice. Markstrom because of the flopping, Hedman because he wasn't penalized for his headlock on Esposito. I have nothing against what he did, you're suppose to protect your goaltender and I was actually happy he did that cause I taught he did not act like a 6'7" guy at all during this tounament. I also think it was a little bit because of the showdown between him and Tavares. This tourney was built on the two players possibly going #1 and #2.

No other Sweden players was booed. Backlund or Karlsson weren't booed at all even if they were probably their best player (I know Karlsson is a Sens pick). Even MSP was not booed after his quote was displayed in every canadian media for the past two days.

Really? I disagree wholeheartedly. I never expect to see Canadian players wearing a Team Canada jersey diving all over the ice like the Swedes did last night, or performing as poorly on the power play as did the Swedes, or embellishing minor scrapes into Emmy award winning performances as did Markstrom, or even biting another player for that matter. I'd boo Canadian players if they put on a similarly embarrassing performance.

Far too much whining from many of the Swede fans here. They don't just hand out gold medals, you have to earn them, just like Canada have for the past 5 years running. I'd also boo Canadian fans if they whined as much as have many of the Swede fans.

To the many whining Swedish fans.... Boooooo!

yea because canadian players would never be accused of diving....

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/12/15/quinn-irks-quebec-by-saying-its-hockey-players-are-a-bunch-of-divers.aspx

They are kids. Canada simply is the better team and they showed it.

Really? I disagree wholeheartedly. I never expect to see Canadian players wearing a Team Canada jersey diving all over the ice like the Swedes did last night, or performing as poorly on the power play as did the Swedes, or embellishing minor scrapes into Emmy award winning performances as did Markstrom, or even biting another player for that matter. I'd boo Canadian players if they put on a similarly embarrassing performance.

Far too much whining from many of the Swede fans here. They don't just hand out gold medals, you have to earn them, just like Canada have for the past 5 years running. I'd also boo Canadian fans if they whined as much as have many of the Swede fans.

To the many whining Swedish fans.... Boooooo!

But you surely would expect your Canadian boys to drop'em with whoever dares to take a run at your goalie, right?

And most of the whining here comes from Canadians who whine about how much the Swedes whine, and/or about diving goalies. That makes them whiners too, so what's the difference? Booooooo!

We have also our fair share of childish posters, but what makes these Canadian posters look extra bad is they gloat after a win. Every time. I don't know about Canada, but that's a big, big no no in our culture.

99% of the gloating is down to insane swedish fans pushing buttons. Whining about the refs before the puck drops is a classic example. Of course your team will be ridiculed for doing stupid ****. Here's an idea - next year don't show up with a bunch of predetermined excuses, and just watch the games. You'll be more credible as a fanbase then.

Your culture, eh? So perfect, but you can't see outside your borders to see if others are doing OK, too. Such a closed society - surprised you haven't enclosed your country in a dome - you're that xenophobic...

But you surely would expect your Canadian boys to drop'em with whoever dares to take a run at your goalie, right?

And most of the whining here comes from Canadians who whine about how much the Swedes whine, and/or about diving goalies. That makes them whiners too, so what's the difference? Booooooo!

Not in a gold medal game - never. We used to be that way, of course, but we've changed. We've become very disciplined, for the most part, and you Swedes just haven't realized that (and our heart) has been our keys to victory.

Time to throw off the stereotypes, swedes. We don't view your team as 'chicken swedes' anymore, for the most part. We've evolved, whereas you have evolved into 1970's Team Canada - without the winning record... ;)

99% of the gloating is down to insane swedish fans pushing buttons. Whining about the refs before the puck drops is a classic example. Of course your team will be ridiculed for doing stupid ****. Here's an idea - next year don't show up with a bunch of predetermined excuses, and just watch the games. You'll be more credible as a fanbase then.
I obviously missed this whole pregame debacle you seem to be so sour about. I do know it probably started because the Swedish media made fun of that cocky Canadian news site, that had the "What team will Canada face in the gold medal game?" poll. It obviously got out of hand. Some childish posters, some continuing the sarscasm, some not understanding the sarcasm.

Your culture, eh? So perfect, but you can't see outside your borders to see if others are doing OK, too. Such a closed society - surprised you haven't enclosed your country in a dome - you're that xenophobic...
I chose that response, because I have honestly no idea about Canadian culture when it comes to hockey. I've never been there. I haven't lived there. I don't know how you normally react after hockey wins. I assume you generally act the same as us, but how can I be sure? I know your media doesn't. Your general cockiness when it comes to hockey and especially national hockey is a factor that is hard to weigh in to your "normal" behaviour. Canadian hockey doesn't exactly have a history of humility.

And xenophobic... yeah right. Because you know me so well?
I know discussion boards is the last place I expect finding humble winners but I thought people were very respectful at the game...
Perhaps they were. I don't care that much about the booing and such by the crowd at place. They are a nationalistic mob, what can you expect? They 100% rooted for their team and did what they could for them to win.

If you took out single Canadian fans from the arena and let them cool down, most would probably be people you would like to have a beer with. As for the people hanging around on this site, there are many I wouldn't like to have a beer with. Many could probably not drink legally anyway.

Not in a gold medal game - never. We used to be that way, of course, but we've changed. We've become very disciplined, for the most part, and you Swedes just haven't realized that (and our heart) has been our keys to victory.

Time to throw off the stereotypes, swedes. We don't view your team as 'chicken swedes' anymore, for the most part. We've evolved, whereas you have evolved into 1970's Team Canada - without the winning record... ;)

I thought that Sweden was overly conscious of the manhood issue. It's kind of silly to pretend that Canadian teenagers are tougher than Swedes, the majority of kids playing at that level of hockey are reasonably privileged and though there are exceptions, I doubt many come form hard scrabble backgrounds.

Sweden wanted to prove that they are just as tough as Canada and Canada wanted to win the gold. Sweden wanted to beat Canada, Canada wanted to win. I don't think that in terms of talent, there was much difference, it did seem that Sweden might not be focused on how to win as much as proving a meaningless point.

Then again, I may be wrong.

Oh the bleeding hearts!

Booing is part of sports all over the world. Suck it up!

Sweden wanted to prove that they are just as tough as Canada and Canada wanted to win the gold. Sweden wanted to beat Canada, Canada wanted to win. I don't think that in terms of talent, there was much difference, it did seem that Sweden might not be focused on how to win as much as proving a meaningless point.

I think this is absolute truth.

And I had a front-row seat for a few years as the Senators tried to prove the same point against the Leafs, while forgetting that the games are won on the scoreboard.

What the hell was Backlund thinking?

It's not the same thing, I can take a loss in football against any country (well, except countries who shouldn't stand a chance like Paraguay, Trinidad Tobago etc),.
Why exactly shouldn't Paraguay stand a chance ? :shakehead

Not many of the canadian players play pro. Markstrom however, is supposed to be a pro, and he was the most childish player on the ice. I have no problem with the booing of hedman and markstrom during the game but they should have chilled during the medal ceremony.
I fully agree. Booing during the game is just something that happens and they gotta get used to but booing during the medal cermony is like booing the Stanley Cup winning team, it's just stupid.

I think this is absolute truth.

And I had a front-row seat for a few years as the Senators tried to prove the same point against the Leafs, while forgetting that the games are won on the scoreboard.

What the hell was Backlund thinking?

First shift ehh ? You have to wonder if the coach was overly concerned about proving a point, or the kids had too much slack.

Well the OP can apologize all he wants, but I for one am very proud of my fellow Canadians. Showing up in great numbers not just to the Canada games, but also to the others, making lots of noise and being passionate. Some booing towards a couple of players during the gold medal game doesn't change the fact that Ottawa put on a great show and the fans were very classy and hospitable to the other teams.

Exactly. That guy is being self-righteous and has no place apologizing for anybody. Booing at a sports event? My God what has the world come to?

Do me a favor criers and never hit up Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park lest your faith in all humanity shatter your delicate minds.

I fully agree. Booing during the game is just something that happens and they gotta get used to but booing during the medal cermony is like booing the Stanley Cup winning team, it's just stupid.

Well if a team wins the cup on the road, you can guarantee they will be booed. Do you really think they care though? They just won the cup!

Get real buddy. I highly doubt Hedman goes home and cries over the booing. Booing come with the territory and these kids are old enough and good enough to take it with a grain of salt. Don't apology for something no one did wrong. This is the exact reason why Canada is considered such a "soft" country. What next? You gonna write a letter to someone.

If anything it is a compliment to someone like Hedman. The tournament is being held in Canada so it's pretty obvious who the crowd is going for, if the target to boo a certain opposing player, there is a reason. Everyone in that arena knows how good Hedman is and that is the reason they boo him.

I am still in awe that you would come on here and apologize for Canadians. Those 18 year old kids will be making million in the NHL as early as next year, I am not going to feel sorry for them because fans from my country booed them.

You missed the point.

He got the point and shot your preachy BS down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75OcMijucE

How do you think this goalie feels?

Getting Booed by opposing fans for Hedman should be a compliment. Please don't tell me that Esposito wouldn't have gotten the same treatment if Sweden was hosting the tournament after he collided with Markstrom.

Also can Sweden fans really talk? Didn't many of their own countrymen showered the ice with marital aids because of a video that was leaked onto the internet involving the an opposing player engaged in some adult situations with his girlfriend?

Yeah, I haven't seen more than like 2 people who didn't admit Canada was the better team, that's not what swedish fans are upset about, it's HOW they won.

And yeah, instead of booing the opponents I would really respect Canada alot if they would cheer on harder for their own team instead. But I guess it's easier succumbing to hate.

It's HOW they won that Swedish fans are upset about? What, that Canada scored more goals, killed off more penalties, had a better power play, and simply just wanted it more? What is so upsetting about that? Also, all the pre-game taunting against the Canadians, they deserve every post game taunt that they can give out.

An apology? Oh wow... :rolleyes:

Honestly though for foreign players like Ovechekin and Hedman, this is probably a good experience.

Because it gives them a taste of how rabid an NHL crowd could potentially be.

I agree though the whole bit with the prime minister there was a bit over the top.

But then again, the US has had their president watch Olympic events with athletes about the same age as these kids.

The tournament honestly is probably more akin in Canada to what the NCAA Final Four is in the US. Because it's pretty well understood that these kids are the next wave of NHL stars in many cases, so it's not exactly some pee-wee league tourney.

Also I think it's fair to note that Ovechekin is very popular and more well known in Canada than he is in any country probably other than obviously Russia. We do have no issues appreciating or even deifying foreign hockey players, Canadian fans know a good player when they see one.

Felt good though when our Golden generation got to win the 2006 Olympics. Great moment, you'll probably take the gold back 2010
but right now Sweden is #1 in the senior hockey world. But hey, wait a minute, wasn't it an all-swede team that won the Stanley cup 08? (Okey, not all-swede but a majority.)
I think the Olympic gold will stay were it belongs. :handclap:

Not according to the IIHF they arent.

You missed the point.

What point? Booing professionals (Hedman and Markstrom play in the SEL)?

How is this not locked? At the very least it's baiting Canadian fans...


I can't stand the concept of one poster apologizing for a whole country of fans..

At least change the title...it's making most Canadian posters sick...

You missed the point.

No we got your point, but disagree with it!

Now before you whine about that, please note that disagreeing with your point doesn't make you wrong.

If the players don't want to be booed then maybe they shouldn't act like jackasses.
Canadian Jr players were booed unmercifully by the Europeans back in the 80's for stuff far less worse than this.
We learned to cut out the crap and whining now they need to do the same!

Exactly. That guy is being self-righteous and has no place apologizing for anybody. Booing at a sports event? My God what has the world come to?

Do me a favor criers and never hit up Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park lest your faith in all humanity shatter your delicate minds.

It's all about context, champ. If you think Yankee Stadium and a junior hockey tournament are similar contexts, you don't get it.


Hold on, are you crying about my apology? Crier. Don't let your delicate sensibilities be so easily offended.

Also can Sweden fans really talk? Didn't many of their own countrymen showered the ice with marital aids because of a video that was leaked onto the internet involving the an opposing player engaged in some adult situations with his girlfriend?

Yeah, but those fans showering the ice with 'marital aids' went waaay beyond the call of duty and into the realm of sheer awesomeness.

Yesterday was nothing more than another standard Canadian circle-jerk over a kids tournament only you care about.

Not comparable at all.

Hedman was booed only after he attacked Angelo Esposito...Markstrom was booed for incessant "diving" trying to draw goalie interference by embellishing slight bumps on him into phantom hits on him...both plates deserved booing for these unsportsman-like shenanigans.

Hold on, are you crying about my apology? Crier. Don't let your delicate sensibilities be so easily offended.

The one offering apologies for a fans booing an opposing team is talking about delicate sensibilities?...

I apologize that my country spawned such a self-righteous person that thinks they can apologize on behalf of 20,000 people he does not know.

Quite frankly the constant booing got annoying, childish and greatly took away from the enjoyment of the game. Not very classy on the Canadian fans part at all. You disagree with a call, fine, boo it initially, but keeping it going throughout the the game, and into the awards ceremony is pathetic.

BTW, did anyone else find in hilarious that Pierre was constantly complaining about "embellishing" on the Slovak and Swedish teams? No one embellishes more than the man himself.

It's all about context, champ. If you think Yankee Stadium and a junior hockey tournament are similar contexts, you don't get it.


Hold on, are you crying about my apology? Crier. Don't let your delicate sensibilities be so easily offended.

What's the difference? A year? Oh, wait for some of them they already play in the NHL or have played. So explain to me what the difference is?

It's a massive tournament of adults. Yes, adults - 18 as Ryan Ellis is being the youngest player. Are they that delicate they can't get booed?

You don't get it. Don't apologize for us.

The one offering apologies for a fans booing an opposing team is talking about delicate sensibilities?...

:laugh: I love how all the non-Canadian posters here generalize and group everyone into one big category and then when their little fantasy worlds get shattered they go with the line "Oh well it's not a big sport in my country, I'm just on the computer posting OVER and OVER about how much I care about one missed call and the crowd".

I apologize that my country spawned such a self-righteous person that thinks they can apologize on behalf of 20,000 people he does not know.

You don't read very well. I apologized for their behaviour, not on their behalf. I would never do that. I'm already a little embarrassed to be associated with (many of) them by my citizenship.

I think the Hedman incident with Espo is being taken far out of context, I like what he did and I would expect him to do something like that if he were on an NHL team. Markstrom embellished a lot that game but the fact of the matter is we did bump into him multiple times, to the point where I really think we were in his head. The guy couldn't stop trying to sell the call and it was pretty funny to watch. When Hedman grabbed Espo, that was hardly a punch if you ask me, he threw a muffin, and went on his way, really not a big deal at all, he was standing up for his goalie. I don't like seeing people use that excuse.

The Tavares supposed dive is an absolutely brutal accusation, give me a break.

As for the booing, the greatest players in the world get booed when they enter someone else's barn. Hedman and Markstrom will soon be two of the greatest players in the world in years to come, they can handle the jeering, if I got booed, I think I'd take it as a compliment honestly, not that it matters but I was booed a lot by other teams fans when I played minor hockey and that's when I was.. 15-16 years old? But, they didn't boo me because I was the greatest that's for sure :laugh: It happens at all levels and players have to learn to accept it and feed off it. 20,000 people single me out and boo me whenever I touch the puck? That means 20,000 people are watching my every move during a hockey game and I would love it.

As for the OP, as it was said numerous times here, Canadians cheered the Swedes during the awards ceremony, except the first time Markstrom went up, which I was very surprised to hear the boos at the start, but they were quickly drowned out by cheers.

Markstrom's actions warranted the boos he got. Hedman was only booed because there was no penalty on the play where he jumped on Esposito. Had the referees done their job in that instance, he'd have been fine.

I was booing Della rovere's disgraceful performance as well if it makes anyone feel better. What a chump that guy is.

Any Canadian thinking this is harsh treatment by fans in a sporting event is arrogant. Who cares about the booing? If anything it's a compliment. Booing is extremely benign.

What's the difference? A year? Oh, wait for some of them they already play in the NHL or have played. So explain to me what the difference is?

It's a massive tournament of adults. Yes, adults - 18 as Ryan Ellis is being the youngest player. Are they that delicate they can't get booed?

You don't get it. Don't apologize for us.

So, in your opinion, the gloves are off and any behaviour by the fans is fine and shouldn't be commented on?