5th-Place GDT 1/4 • United States 3, Czech Republic 2 (OT)

2009 WJC FIFTH PLACE GAME
JANUARY 4, 2009 - 7:30 PM ET
http://www.eliteprospects.com/layout/logos/usa.gif vs. http://www.eliteprospects.com/layout/logos/czech.gif
Scotiabank Place, Ottawa, ON

Live Box Score (http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/172/live/2299.html)

United States (http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=1624&metric=no)
21 James vanRiemsdyk - 33 Colin Wilson (A) - 19 Jordan Schroeder
27 Drayson Bowman - 14 Mitch Wahl - 15 Jim O'Brien
25 Eric Tangradi - 9 Matt Rust - 7 Aaron Palushaj
11 Mike Hoeffel - 10 Tyler Johnson - 12 Jimmy Hayes
18 Danny Kristo

17 Ryan McDonagh - 24 Jonathon Blum (C)
28 Ian Cole - 5 Teddy Ruth
4 Cade Fairchild - 8 Kevin Shattenkirk (A)
20 Blake Kessel

1 Josh Unice
30 Thomas McCollum

Czech Republic (http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=1601&metric=no)
9 Jan Káňa - 10 Ondřej Roman - 22 Radim Valchař
27 Petr Strapáč - 15 Tomáš Knotek - 24 Jan Eberle
20 Roman Szturc - 18 Tomáš Kubalík - 28 Tomáš Vincour
11 Zdeněk Okál - 16 Štěpán Novotný - 21 Rudolf Červený
17 Vladimír Růžička

23 Tomáš Kundrátek - 5 Milan Dóczy
19 Michal Jordán - 6 Martin Parýzek
7 David Štich (C) - 3 Radko Gudas
4 Jan Piskáček

2 Tomáš Vošvrda
1 Dominik Furch

Officials
http://www.eliteprospects.com/layout/flags/4.gif Peter Orszag
http://www.eliteprospects.com/layout/flags/10.gif Brent Reiber
http://www.eliteprospects.com/layout/flags/10.gif Roger Arm
http://www.eliteprospects.com/layout/flags/3.gif Daniel Bechard

Scoring
N/A

Players of the Game
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Go us.....5th place?

This Game should be televised right (http://www.usahockey.com/world_junior_championships_2009/default.aspx?NAV=AF_01&ID=236956)?

The NHL Network will televise all U.S. games of the event. In addition, the Network will broadcast all medal-round games and all of Team Canada's preliminary-round games. The U.S. games will have a production and broadcast team, while all other contests on the NHL Network will utilize a feed from TSN.

Will the NHL Network keep its word?

3-2 Czech.

Now out of a medal, Team US have even less drive to win, and the Czech upset.

Almost cruel to make them play this game. Teams have motivation for 3rd place games (medal) and for relegation games (to stay up) but not much for a 5th place game. Kind of strange that they have this game to begin with.

Almost cruel to make them play this game. Teams have motivation for 3rd place games (medal) and for relegation games (to stay up) but not much for a 5th place game. Kind of strange that they have this game to begin with.

Actually ends up being a big game for next year's groups, assuming Russia beats Slovakia for 3rd.

Next year's groups:

A: Gold winner (Can/Swe), Slovakia, 5th Place winner, +2 weak teams
B: Gold Loser (Can/Swe), Russia, 5th place loser, Finland, +1 weak team

I'd rather be in a group with Slovakia and two weak teams instead of Russia and Finland.

The USA has had problems getting motivated for bronze medal games in the past, no clue what to expect out of them playing for 5th.

Ron Rolston will surely fire up the team for this one.... :sarcasm:

I'd rather be in a group with Slovakia and two weak teams instead of Russia and Finland.

Hard to get a hockey team playing with passion on that kind of premise, though.

Not a meaningless game for US hockey, but a game that's got to be hard to convince the team to play hard for.

Yeah, it would be a good thing to finish 5th, because otherwise there could be a group containing Sweden/Canada, Russia and USA. The Americans will prob have a weaker team next year, so it would be preferred if they were in a group with say Canada, Slovakia, Finland and a Swiss/Austria.

The rest of the world will breathe a sigh of relief next year as Janus will be too old to play. In fact, Slovakia loses most of their team after tomorrow. Only 7 players will return from such a successful squad.

Guys,

Any free link to watch the game through internet would be gladly appreciated.....

Group A Next Year Group B Next Year
Sweden Canada
Slovakia Russia
USA Czech
Two other teams

Assuming, Sweden, USA and Russia win their games.

Could you imagine if Canada loses, Russia loses and USA wins.....

Canada
Russia
USA

....in one group.

Must be hard for the US players when they know their goalie wont stop anything.

Must be hard for the US players when they know their goalie wont stop anything.

They'll probably go with Unice.

It could also be Sweden, Russia, USA in one group. There could actually be a group of death in hockey, lol.

Kinda bummed that this won't be on television.

I wish this was being streamed somewhere :(

Go Czechs! 4-1 Czech victory.

Unice to start.

This Game should be televised right (http://www.usahockey.com/world_junior_championships_2009/default.aspx?NAV=AF_01&ID=236956)?



Will the NHL Network keep its word?

Good Q..my TV guide says they are showing the Wild-Avs games tonight in that timeslot.

Maybe they'll stick it on TSN2? (Which i dont get...Stupid Rogers/TSN rivalary :rant:)

I really hope that the USA comes out with some sort of motivation, it's been a bad WJC, but to finish in sixth place would be so extremely terrible. I see either a US team that comes out flying and blows out the Czech Republic 7-3, or the unmotivated weak team that they have shown they can be and they lose 5-1. It'll be one extreme or the other.

I wish this was being streamed somewhere :(

This. Though probably a function of lack of TV coverage. Can't believe the world is ignoring an international championship game between the USA and another legitimate contender, even if it is for 5th place.

Actually ends up being a big game for next year's groups, assuming Russia beats Slovakia for 3rd.You're going to have a hard time using that as motivation for the 16 players who aren't eligible to return next year.

looks to be 1-0 US already

Here's a blog you can follow for some detail on what's going on:

http://www.usahockey.com/world_junior_championships_2009/default.aspx?NAV=AF_03&id=250502&DetailedNews=yes

Sounds like the US had a close goal disallowed.

NHL Network is instead showing a replay of the CAN-RUS game....

W.T.F.

sounds like unice is playing well.... it still baffles me as to why mccollum wasnt pulled against the slovaks...

LOL @ Unice saying he's playing in a "pressure" game. There is no pressure at all, they're already out of a medal!!!

They televised the Germany/Finland game but not this one?

edit: now they're showing Latvia/Kazakhstan

LOL @ Unice saying he's playing in a "pressure" game. There is no pressure at all, they're already out of a medal!!!

I think he's talking more about himself than the team.

I'm sure he'd love to have a great game and make Rolston look like even a bigger fool.

Does anyone know how next years conferences will work?
Eg.- Is it 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th vs 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th from this years seedings?

Tie game? 1-1 US-Czech. Yowza.

Shots are 33-14 through 2, but it's 1-1 in the 3rd. Looks like no one can finish again.

Shots are 33-14 through 2, but it's 1-1 in the 3rd. Looks like no one can finish again.

The USA hockey blog mentioned Colin Wilson got robbed again. If he would've buried 50% of his quality chances, he'd have a ridiculous amount of goals.

This team desperately needs Jeremy Morin's goal scoring next year.

go Czech!!!!!

Let's go Czech Rep!!!

Sounds like the game is getting out of hand:

"Frustration from the whole tournament is boiling over. The U.S. had a 3-on-1 and went offsides and a Czech player absolutely attacked van Riemsdyk and now Teddy Ruth has a fight with a Czech player and is going off as is his opponent. There will be more penalties I'm sure."

http://www.usahockey.com/world_junior_championships_2009/default.aspx?NAV=AF_03&id=250502&DetailedNews=yes

Sounds like the game is getting out of hand:

"Frustration from the whole tournament is boiling over. The U.S. had a 3-on-1 and went offsides and a Czech player absolutely attacked van Riemsdyk and now Teddy Ruth has a fight with a Czech player and is going off as is his opponent. There will be more penalties I'm sure."

http://www.usahockey.com/world_junior_championships_2009/default.aspx?NAV=AF_03&id=250502&DetailedNews=yes

Look out for Tangradi from the bench :laugh:

Look out for Tangradi from the bench :laugh:

or an SDR heymaker from behind. Bertuzzi without talent.

Ondrej Roman gives the Czechs the lead, 2-1.

Roman made it 2 -1 for the Czechs and Fairchild just tied it up 2 - 2.

and Fairchild ties it up. 7 minutes to go!

Roman made it 2 -1 for the Czechs and Fairchild just tied it up 2 - 2.

Shame. USA needs to lose this game, maybe a 5th place finish will open some eyes.

Shame. USA needs to lose this game, maybe a 5th place finish will open some eyes.

The eyes should already be wide open, regardless of the outcome of this match.

Look out for Tangradi from the bench :laugh:

It wasn't Tangradi who did that. Someone did but no one knows who. Pierre just said Tangradi

let's go czech

It wasn't Tangradi who did that. Someone did but no one knows who. Pierre just said TangradiIndeed. Whoever was to his left did it.

Anyone know who Okal hit from behind?

or an SDR heymaker from behind. Bertuzzi without talent.

Twas retaliation.

Sounds like the game is getting out of hand:

"Frustration from the whole tournament is boiling over. The U.S. had a 3-on-1 and went offsides and a Czech player absolutely attacked van Riemsdyk and now Teddy Ruth has a fight with a Czech player and is going off as is his opponent. There will be more penalties I'm sure."

http://www.usahockey.com/world_junior_championships_2009/default.aspx?NAV=AF_03&id=250502&DetailedNews=yes

Yeah, all I've got is a boxscore but it's starting to look nasty.

49.24 2 min Czech Republic 3. GUDAS, Radko Roughing
49.24 2 min USA 21. van RIEMSDYK, James Roughing
49.24 5 min USA 5. RUTH, Teddy Roughing
49.24 5 min Czech Republic 7. STICH, David Roughing
49.24 25 min Czech Republic 7. STICH, David Match Penalty
49.24 20 min USA 5. RUTH, Teddy Game Misconduct
49.24 20 min Czech Republic 7. STICH, David Game Misconduct

58.06 10 min Czech Republic 11. OKAL, Zdenek Misconduct
58.06 2 min Czech Republic 11. OKAL, Zdenek Checking to the head and neck Area

Sounds like JVR scored a highlight reel goal to win the game in OT.

Nice to see them compete hard this game even though this is the most disappointing finish in awhile.

Sounds like JVR scored a highlight reel goal to win the game in OT.

Nice to see them compete hard this game even though this is the most disappointing finish in awhile.

That's nice to hear about JVR, and agreed

Sounds like JVR scored a highlight reel goal to win the game in OT.

Nice to see them compete hard this game even though this is the most disappointing finish in awhile.

Yeah, at least they didn't suffer another embarassment.

"Want to know how to end a tournament in style? van Riemsdyk skated around a fallen defender and scored between his legs top shelf."

I disagree. Winning a tournament in style can be accomplished by having a gold medal put around your neck. I'm psyched to see some video of this goal, though. Did he pull a Malik or something?

The eyes should already be wide open, regardless of the outcome of this match.
Operative word. USA Hockey is a stubborn bunch.

"Want to know how to end a tournament in style? van Riemsdyk skated around a fallen defender and scored between his legs top shelf."

I disagree. Winning a tournament in style can be accomplished by having a gold medal put around your neck. I'm psyched to see some video of this goal, though. Did he pull a Malik or something?

Obviously but that's over. The blogger didn't say "win" either; he said "end." No need to twist words.

At least they won their final game and beat a team they should've beat. Can't wait to see this OT goal that vanRiemsdyk scored to win it.

I have to say- that's the way to beat a hot goaltender. One of the hottest, smoothest goals I've seen... I've never seen that move performed like that during game time. It was funny- me and my father were like the only two people cheering and raising our hands for the US as they awaited the medals... they kept looking up at us and smiling... it must've felt good- I think it was just about the only time in the tournament they got to hear anyone chearing for them...(any other cheers were drowned out by bad natured canadian boos, jeers, or chearing for the other side)

It was a sick goal by JVR. He put it between his legs and shot it into the left side of the net. So basically it was a Malik.

yeah, but it was during game time, overtime, and from the side of the net, on a goaltender who had been stoning the US for two straight games...

Ruth is a tough kid- great fight

Unice did make Rolston look silly... he was very good today... I'm sorry- Rolston should never coach for USA hockey again... and should need to work his way backup from a lower position anywhere else... he is not ready to be coaching- and that's putting it nicely... I didn't see anything to suggest Mccolum as a real prospect, but I assume that others must have and that he is- if so, I hope that Rolston's irresponsible decisions haven't turned a bad tournament into a major confidence issue...USA hockey should be excoriated for their decision as well

What a goal by JVR. Malik but while cutting across from the side..and during the game, not a shootout..wow.

Yeah, all I've got is a boxscore but it's starting to look nasty.

Im not sure what Stich actually did, but from the stands it looked like he wouldnt stop trying to fight Ruth, even well after the linesmen where there. But it didnt really look like Ruth tried to stop either so really Im not sure why he got the match penalty.

As for the head shot and misconduct, it wasnt really very big. It was more a shove to the face, during play, it was stupid but not a big deal. And the misconduct is automatically assessed with the head shot penalty. I think if the 10 minute misconduct was discretionary, it wouldnt have been given.

Im not sure what Stich actually did, but from the stands it looked like he wouldnt stop trying to fight Ruth, even well after the linesmen where there. But it didnt really look like Ruth tried to stop either so really Im not sure why he got the match penalty.

As for the head shot and misconduct, it wasnt really very big. It was more a shove to the face, during play, it was stupid but not a big deal. And the misconduct is automatically assessed with the head shot penalty. I think if the 10 minute misconduct was discretionary, it wouldnt have been given.

Whatever Stich did, it looks like Ruth didn't appreciate it:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/95/fullj.6b81590d510d92338b834e6f85d0d4d3/6b81590d510d92338b834e6f85d0d4d3-getty-82918984rw010_usa_czec.jpg

yeah, but it was during game time, overtime, and from the side of the net, on a goaltender who had been stoning the US for two straight games...

Ruth is a tough kid- great fight

Unice did make Rolston look silly... he was very good today... I'm sorry- Rolston should never coach for USA hockey again... and should need to work his way backup from a lower position anywhere else... he is not ready to be coaching- and that's putting it nicely... I didn't see anything to suggest Mccolum as a real prospect, but I assume that others must have and that he is- if so, I hope that Rolston's irresponsible decisions haven't turned a bad tournament into a major confidence issue...USA hockey should be excoriated for their decision as well

Mccollum is a beast in the OHL. I don;t know what was wrong with him this tournament.

The USA hockey blog mentioned Colin Wilson got robbed again. If he would've buried 50% of his quality chances, he'd have a ridiculous amount of goals.


If he'd bury his chances, the Americans may be playing for gold. People railed on JVR for 'not caring' but Colin Wilson is a bigger goat, because Schroeder and JVR have been setting him up the whole tourney.

Mccollum is a beast in the OHL. I don;t know what was wrong with him this tournament.

Yeah, watching him night in and night out in Guelph, that wasn't the Thomas McCollum I know.

I won't bother watching this game. USA are in disarray and I'm pretty much pissed.

All in all a good turn out for the US, they didn't Choke so much they were playing to keep from being relegated.

Are there highlights out there?

I loved seeing vanRiemsdyk win it like that; after such a disappointing tournament I think you could see it in the players' reactions how much a goal like that to win the game meant to them. Good on JVR for having the stones to try it, too - not like the the standard approach was working on any of their other 30 point-blank chances the last two games. Anyways I was glad to see the two teams play this game hard, the Czechs have some pretty intimidating defencemen, and the whole team showed how much better they are than how they played against Canada.

Does anyone know how next years conferences will work?
Eg.- Is it 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th vs 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th from this years seedings?

Yes.

Does anyone know how next years conferences will work?
Eg.- Is it 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th vs 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th from this years seedings?

Yes.

So...assuming Canada wins, the US and Canada will be in the same pool again next year...go Sweden! ;)

If he'd bury his chances, the Americans may be playing for gold. People railed on JVR for 'not caring' but Colin Wilson is a bigger goat, because Schroeder and JVR have been setting him up the whole tourney.

Wilson had a ton of scoring opportunities denied, as did both Schroeder and JVR this whole tournament. They just didn't bury, when USA needed it the most. Call it snake-bitten, tightening up because of other shots they were robbed on, too bad but I think all 3 would want alot of shots back!
I also heard at the beginning of the tournament that Wilson had hurt his wrist? He also wasn't taking any face-offs since the 2nd game. Who knows?

Here's a crappy video of the JVR goal, you can still tell whats going on...very very sick goal.

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Here's a crappy video of the JVR goal, you can still tell whats going on...very very sick goal.

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:amazed:

Crazy Goal for sure

:amazed:

Crazy Goal for sure

Yeah, (to all the posters in that other thread) but he still sucks. :shakehead:shakehead:shakehead

It's not even fair to score a goal like that.

I'm not going to harp on this too much because he scored and it was a beautiful goal, but these type of "look at me goals" and showboating are the reason the US are in the 5th place game instead of in the medal round where they belong. Imagine if he hadn't have scored that, and the Czech's raced down the ice and scored. You don't experiment with moves like that in overtime. Shows where the US team's head is at. I guess you can blame that on the coach and Hockey USA.

I'm not going to harp on this too much because he scored and it was a beautiful goal, but these type of "look at me goals" and showboating are the reason the US are in the 5th place game instead of in the medal round where they belong. Imagine if he hadn't have scored that, and the Czech's raced down the ice and scored. You don't experiment with moves like that in overtime. Shows where the US team's head is at. I guess you can blame that on the coach and Hockey USA.

Exactly. You shoot right into the goalie's pads in that situation, pray you win the faceoff, pray the pointman gets his shot through, and then pray you can pounce on the rebound and stuff it in.

Yeah, (to all the posters in that other thread) but he still sucks. :shakehead:shakehead:shakehead

one goal does not make a player, or former UNHer Colin Hemingway would be starring somewhere too

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You don't experiment with moves like that in overtime.

It was the sort of move you'd try in a 5th place game. I couldn't see many people trying it in the Gold Medal match. There wasn't much to lose however - he would have looked stupid if he had missed, but who's going to see a 5th place game apart from those of us who were there anyway? He was alone up front, so if he had missed, the game would have just gone on.

I'm not going to harp on this too much because he scored and it was a beautiful goal, but these type of "look at me goals" and showboating are the reason the US are in the 5th place game instead of in the medal round where they belong. Imagine if he hadn't have scored that, and the Czech's raced down the ice and scored. You don't experiment with moves like that in overtime. Shows where the US team's head is at. I guess you can blame that on the coach and Hockey USA.

lol . . . right