Will there be a team shake up?

Well, with the recent events that have occurred, will Howson actually make a move?

nope

Nope, Howson and ownership has gotten their trump card...this team is not a playoff team so they'll say we're out of it and will only sell of expiring contracts for peanuts.

And for those saying trade Nash, if you think trading Nash will get management to go out and get NHL players, youre kidding yourself. Nash is not the problem, should Nash be captain....no, but he was put in that position....and why is that you ask? Because we dont have ANY players who can take the captaincy (short of Peca, but he's pissed because his ice time has been slashed)! Our last captain, after playing for a team all of his career that actually cared about winning, wanted no part of this joke of a franchise. I think being the captain has brought Nash down, because he now feels responsible for carrying the team when they dont perform, and that affects his game big time by trying to do too much.

The players are the least of the problem, they are what they are....we have a cheap ownership that went out and got a rookie, yes man GM puppet. He's the one responsible for the talent, or lack there of, on this team. Hitch is responsible for who plays with who, who gets what ice time, and what system theyre playing. Look at our roster.....Voraceck, Murray, Malhotra, Russell, Novotny, Boll, Dorsett, Picard, Methot......I mean, none of these guys would make a real NHL teams roster! If you make an argument for the few, theyre no more then 7th or 8th defensman.....Manny gets a slight thought, but only because he can win faceoffs.....and considering we won the faceoff category but lost the game, tells you about how important that stat is. I dont blame AHL players for getting out worked by NHL players...they're playing out of their league, thats the work of our joke management/ownership.

But if we go out and trade Nash (short of Nash saying, im not going to resign with this team) without filling our roster with competent NHL players, playing in their given position, I will be glad to lead the exodus of disgruntled STH'ers.

One can wish, but sadly I don't think there is anything that could happen for Howson to make any significant move.

And for those saying trade Nash, if you think trading Nash will get management to go out and get NHL players, youre kidding yourself. Nash is not the problem, should Nash be captain....no, but he was put in that position....and why is that you ask?

What does trading Nash have to do with "going out and getting NHL players", other then the players that come back in return? Who said Nash "Is the problem?"

I'll say it again, this team's weakness is down the center and on defense. If Nash can get you an elite player (and a decent one to boot in the process), I say you do it. RJ doesn't immediatly look like a solution at center, and Brassard has had his progression hurt by the injury. Who knows if Filatov is going to be ready to play top 6 center anytime soon or even play center at this level. We have nothing else currently at center. Filatov will likely be ready quicker for duty on the wing.

This is why I keep looking at a Nash for Staal deal as a possibilty. This is one of the few teams that has someone we can plug into the middle and hopefully be an elite talent, that might be available. I would have to think that they would like to get their hands on Nash in that LW. The've got nothing over there. Don't know would they consider Staal for Jake? I don't think with Staal paying 20 minutes a night they would be.

Just my thoughts.

Of all the teams, in some ways I think Pens could be our best possible trading partner in the whole NHL.

What does trading Nash have to do with "going out and getting NHL players", other then the players that come back in return? Who said Nash "Is the problem?"

I'll say it again, this team's weakness is down the center and on defense. If Nash can get you an elite player (and a decent one to boot in the process), I say you do it. RJ doesn't immediatly look like a solution at center, and Brassard has had his progression hurt by the injury. Who knows if Filatov is going to be ready to play top 6 center anytime soon or even play center at this level. We have nothing else currently at center. Filatov will likely be ready quicker for duty on the wing.

This is why I keep looking at a Nash for Staal deal as a possibilty. This is one of the few teams that has someone we can plug into the middle and hopefully be an elite talent, that might be available. I would have to think that they would like to get their hands on Nash in that LW. The've got nothing over there. Don't know would they consider Staal for Jake? I don't think with Staal paying 20 minutes a night they would be.

Just my thoughts.

Of all the teams, in some ways I think Pens could be our best possible trading partner in the whole NHL.
(Bolded) Because that is what the problem with this team is. We dont have enough NHL talent, we've got a few, but you trade Nash for a Center, now you dont have the elite winger you need to go with the Center....all it would do, is create yet another hole to fill the other hole. This teams weakness is that it doesnt go out and get NHL players, we relied HEAVILY on 2 rookies, and as Hitch can tell you , rookies hit a wall eventually and ours did. One of our main acquisitions, was for a guy coming off major knee surgery, now that position is filled with AHLer's. Ok, maybe I should rephrase it as trading Nash will not solve the problems, as opposed to people thinking Nash IS the problem.

If we trade Nash for Stall, Nash's name will be on the Stanley Cup, along with Crosby and Malkin, and we'll be finishing out of the playoffs again because Stall becomes our own Nash....which, devoid of talent around him, would give the same results as Nash. Yes we need a center, but we cant subtract our NHL talent to get it...its counter productive.

The problem is we are not an NHL team, as I listed, 9 players....9 PLAYERS, should not be on an NHL roster. Now some of them will be, but not right now....only the CBJ tries to pass off 9 AHL caliber KIDS (tally up the age of most of those guys I listed) as NHLers. And before people go using the injury excuse, really, all we lost was a very good rookie and a 3rd line grinder in Chimera, not like we lost Nash, Huselius, RJ, Hejda, Commodore, all the others that are injured are pieces and parts, nothing major, but with the lack of depth this team has, you lose 2 marginal guys, and the team is done for. Pathetic attempt at putting together an NHL team.

Hmmm...

Modin (Filatov/RJ)/Staal/Jake
Huselius/RJ (Brassard)/Torres (Filatov/RJ)

You know, I don't see your point Bluejacketnut. Moving the pieces around based on future considerations....

Do you think we have a better chances winning with lesser wings or lesser centers? We have NO ONE that can win a faceoff on the top 6 now.. NO ONE. Think about that.

I could care less what the Pens do and if Nash wins the cup. It's about the long term good of this franchise. It is not counter productive to trade from one of your only posistions of depth to a posistion of no depth. Especially when the players are fairly equal. I would argue that Staal is going to have a better career when it's done.

There are a lot of things this team is, but devoid of talent on wing isn't one of them.

Huselius, Jake, RJ. These guys have talent.

And could we possibly move Klesla for a wing? I pretty good one? I'd say probably. Leclaire could probably pull you a wing as well, and we could probably find a backup goaltender.

I think Jake would make an awesome wing for Staal. Huselius could too.

Nothing will be done. Niles has no guts and no soul. Neither does Mike Priest. They got what they wanted, an excuse to dump salary.

Howson is know as a "capologist". Maybe that was a misprint, is should have bee "crapologist"

This is why I keep looking at a Nash for Staal deal as a possibilty. This is one of the few teams that has someone we can plug into the middle and hopefully be an elite talent, that might be available. I would have to think that they would like to get their hands on Nash in that LW. The've got nothing over there. Don't know would they consider Staal for Jake? I don't think with Staal paying 20 minutes a night they would be.

Just my thoughts.

Of all the teams, in some ways I think Pens could be our best possible trading partner in the whole NHL.

I agree. I love #61 but he deserves to be a winner and it probably won't happen here. I would trade Nash but it would have to be an over payment, more than the Bolts got for Richards. The thought of a Nash/Malkin line should make the Pens drool and scare everyone else. But a Nash for Staal deal may not work due to Salary Cap concerns of the Pens, Staal is still on an entry level contract vs Nash at about $5M+. To make that deal work the Pens would have to give more (Stall & a quality D-man).

Our real fundamental problem is poor drafting and player development. Don Boyd is responsible for both. IMO he should go before Hitch or Howson.

Their will be a bag skate, the Dispatch will print an article that says how great Hitch is and that the country club is over, we will win against Philly, and all this non-sense will be forgotten for the next 3-4 games, till the next losing streak.

Hmmm...

Modin (Filatov/RJ)/Staal/Jake
Huselius/RJ (Brassard)/Torres (Filatov/RJ)

You know, I don't see your point Bluejacketnut. Moving the pieces around based on future considerations....

Do you think we have a better chances winning with lesser wings or lesser centers? We have NO ONE that can win a faceoff on the top 6 now.. NO ONE. Think about that.

I could care less what the Pens do and if Nash wins the cup. It's about the long term good of this franchise. It is not counter productive to trade from one of your only posistions of depth to a posistion of no depth. Especially when the players are fairly equal. I would argue that Staal is going to have a better career when it's done.

There are a lot of things this team is, but devoid of talent on wing isn't one of them.

Huselius, Jake, RJ. These guys have talent.

And could we possibly move Klesla for a wing? I pretty good one? I'd say probably. Leclaire could probably pull you a wing as well, and we could probably find a backup goaltender.

I think Jake would make an awesome wing for Staal. Huselius could too.
Your lineup is the problem of the CBJ. Filatov, is not going to be top liner for 3-5 years, Jake is not going to be a top liner for 3-5 years....if they are your top liners, THAT IS THE PROBLEM! No successful NHL team has their top line with 2 kids that have under 3 years of NHL experience...COMBINED (short of Chicago, which is the excpetion! Yes you can play them there, and you'd have the exact same results as we do now, because they not top players in the NHL yet, thinking they are in their 2nd year, is very CBJish. Modin is past his prime and will probably be traded as his contract is up this year i believe.....RJ was a 3rd liner on a good NHL team, Filatov isnt ready for NHL hockey, Jake is playing because we cant sent him to the AHL...and quite frankly our depth sucks so bad that he looks good on this team. Brassard, lets just hope his shoulders heal, but should he really be on the 1st line of an NHL team in his 2nd year?? No, he should be on the 2nd.

As stated, if youre going to trade Nash, it better be a Lindros, Walker type trade...not a 1 NHLer for 1. This team is not a bonified NHL team, nothing you say is going to change that opinion for me...not when I look at the rosters of teams like Philly, Detroit, and many other teams heading for the playoffs.

Good call. Towes, Crosby, Malkin, Kane, were all 3-5 years away when they started putting up big points and minutes weren't they? These are just recent examples.

You lose all credibiltiy when you say Jake is 3-5 years away.

If Filatov listens at all, he'll be up here playing 15 minutes a night next year.

And back to the orginal point, could you easily trade Klesla, for example, for a winger? Could you trade a draft pick or marginal prospect for a winger on a team that is out of contention? Could Leclaire get a winger and a backup goaltender?

Modin could be playing his best hockey as a Jacket right now. Past his prime, yeah. But far from useless. Seeing how he's never put up more thne 57 points, how much more are you expecting from him? Modin is still a very servicable 2nd line winger, when he's in the lineup. Hopefully he stays in there.

If this teams has depth anywhere it's on wing and 3/4 defensemen.

At this point do we really think Nash is on the same level as the other "franchise" players around the league? Let's get realistic here. 1 NHL'er for 1 NHL'er? I'd trade Nash for Iginla (even at 31)right now, straight up. No hesitation. And there are probably 15 other guys I'd trade Nash for in a hearbeat for as well. I don't even know if Nash is here beyond next year. If I was a betting my, I'd say no.

I have never been one to advocate trading this guy, firing that coach, revamping this changing that. After watching the Phoenix and LA games I am now on the bandwagon for a dramatic change. Personnally, I would like to see some of the veterans dismissed for whatever they might bring, picks (I know, low ones), marginal prospects (doesn't matter). Rebuild (yeah, I know we've been building and rebuilding for the entire franchise history). What is going on now just is not consistently working. Tear it down and start again. Anyone have another 3 years of patience?

How about "I don't know".

I think Howson will move if he sees something that will help the team, in both the long and short run. I don't see him moving if that doesn't happen.

I'm not happy with our play either, particularly after Brassard went down. Frankly, the whole team is clearly down. But I'm not in favor of moving for its own sake. And so I don't know what Howson can or will do.

Good call. Towes, Crosby, Malkin, Kane, were all 3-5 years away when they started putting up big points and minutes weren't they? These are just recent examples.

You lose all credibiltiy when you say Jake is 3-5 years away.

If Filatov listens at all, he'll be up here playing 15 minutes a night next year.

And back to the orginal point, could you easily trade Klesla, for example, for a winger? Could you trade a draft pick or marginal prospect for a winger on a team that is out of contention? Could Leclaire get a winger and a backup goaltender?

Modin could be playing his best hockey as a Jacket right now. Past his prime, yeah. But far from useless. Seeing how he's never put up more thne 57 points, how much more are you expecting from him? Modin is still a very servicable 2nd line winger, when he's in the lineup. Hopefully he stays in there.

If this teams has depth anywhere it's on wing and 3/4 defensemen.

At this point do we really think Nash is on the same level as the other "franchise" players around the league? Let's get realistic here. 1 NHL'er for 1 NHL'er? I'd trade Nash for Iginla (even at 31)right now, straight up. No hesitation. And there are probably 15 other guys I'd trade Nash for in a hearbeat for as well. I don't even know if Nash is here beyond next year. If I was a betting my, I'd say no.
Where our difference in opinion is, what is top NHL talent, and what is not. No, I dont think Jake will be a top NHL player for another 3-5 years. May be more on the 3 year side, but do I think he is ready to step up against 6'3 210lbs defensman regularly, no. As I said, Modin will be traded at the deadline to a cup contending team in which we'll get a draft pick for him. Yes he is still serviceable, but he wont be here long if indeed his contract is up at the end of the year, and we are not in the playoffs.

Ok, say we trade Nash for Stall. Whats the lineup look like
RJ-Stall-Juice.....once again, we have NO idea what Stall is like as a top center....why, because teams are more worried about guys named Crosby and Malkin. Very much like teams worried more about Carter and Richards, then they did with RJ.

Ok, second line. LW?-Brassard-Voracek. Dont know who the LW will be since I think Modin will be traded, and we had to elevate RJ to the first line since we traded Nash. Still a pretty inexperienced line going against established 2nd lines. Maybe Filatov fills the 2nd line, but if Hitch is coaching, its Chimera. So then you have 2 years of NHL experience as your 2nd NHL line (with Filatov instead of Chimmer)....and we all know how Hitch just loves young player mistakes.

Problem i see.....its the same lineup! We didnt ADD any NHLer's, we added one and subtracted another. If you want to be a successful NHL team, you need to trade one of the youngens to get your NHL talent. Package some draft picks and see where it goes. But by subtracting Nash and adding Stall, we've gone no where....its just creating one hole to fill another.

As you continue to look at the trade (Staal for Nash) as one step, you will continue to miss the ship. The understanding is that when you replace Nash, you would have to look for another winger. That should be much easier to get.

Jake will not take 3 years. Not even close. He's already further ahead then Brass was last year, playing an easier posistion. Filatov is further ahead of where Jake was last year. Staal is ahead of both of them. It's a pretty safe bet that Staal can play top 6 center on this team and be an asset. Brass and Staal would be a 1-2 center combo the likes that this team has never even remotely seen.

All trades, for the most part, that involve roster players are add and subtract. And who's to say whether we can get more or less for Nash with the trade?

Have you watched Staal at all this year? He's already the real deal and can EASILY move into our top line center spot. Although I would rather he take over Brass's spot and minutes. We have no one on this roster, with Brass injured, that's even close. Not even in the same league.

I mean we don't even lose much, if anything, on the PK, this guy is eating up HUGE pk minutes and is pretty good at it. The guy would help our PP just from being able to win faceoffs.

Modin? Who cares. I'm betting that guy is on our team next year unless we're so far buried that we are a sure fire bet for a top 3 pick at the deadline. Those lines were all hypothetical based on our roster as it currently exists for tomorrow and the near future.

Nope..

The only way to get Howson engaged is to have the attendance drop to 6 or 7 thousand, and even then he would probably just smile and say the team is only three games out of the playoffs.

I'd say ownership and Priest are the ones who need to be questioned, after all, they ruined the Arena atmosphere and hired Howson...

Come on Bla, i know you've followed the team for some time now....you really think getting any top NHL talent to play for the Columbus "The only team never to make the playoffs" BlueJackets is easy? Come on. And ok, so Jake and Brass play top minutes next year, where do you think thats going to get us? Do you really think we'll be contending for the playoffs with Filatov/Brassard/Voracek as some of your top players? If you do, then we'll just agree to disagree, but im pretty much going by the MO i've seen with this franchise for the last 8 years....and thats a cheap, conservative franchise.....if we're lucky, we make the playoffs once every 5 years.....not acceptable in my book....not at least to get money out of me for it.

Blah, I think you idea about Nash for Staal is intriguing. I only wish Howson was capable of such creative thought.

Staal, Filatov, Voracek, Brass, RJ, Juice, maybe pick up Vermette on the cheap. Not a bad core without Nash.

Blah, I think you idea about Nash for Staal is intriguing. I only wish Howson was capable of such creative thought.

Staal, Filatov, Voracek, Brass, RJ, Juice, maybe pick up Vermette on the cheap. Not a bad core without Nash.


Trade Nash? Are you crazy, the face of the franchise and best player we have not mention he is our Captain.. :sarcasm: How things can change in just 9 months.

Well Robert, read my post above what you wrote and that explains it. Adding Staal to Brass gives two great young centers and we have enough wings to put around them. It is an idea worth evaluating.
Nash is the ineffective captain and face of a losing franchise. Unfortunately that is the cold hard truth.
He needs to be evaluated like everyone else.

Or do you suggest we move the deck chairs to the other side of the Titanic?

Blah, I think you idea about Nash for Staal is intriguing. I only wish Howson was capable of such creative thought.

Staal, Filatov, Voracek, Brass, RJ, Juice, maybe pick up Vermette on the cheap. Not a bad core without Nash.

Thanks,

I don't think it's as radical as someone else does in this thread. That's as good of a core as many other teams have.

You fix the center issue and leave yourself with an easier problem to fix. Wing. I don't see the issue, really.

However, I don't think it would ever happen. The franchise had dumped a heavy load on the Captain and to trade him now would seem to signal, maybe you were wrong about him.

Frankly I think, with hindsight, Nash asking for and the team granting him the C might not have been the best idea.

I like Nash, I think he's a good player. I'm just not convinced he's the guy that you put the hopes and dreams of a franchise on. Brass might already be better suited. It's not a knock on Nash, I just think he would be better in more of a support role. Come in, do his job, and go home. Let someone else lead. If he is a bit of a lame duck captain, then you have locker room that's going to tip toe around to not offend Nash. I imagine most of them have a good deal of respect for him.

I hope I'm wrong and he proves me wrong.

Plus I don't think Howson has the stones to trade Nash.

Trade Nash? Are you crazy, the face of the franchise and best player we have not mention he is our Captain.. :sarcasm: How things can change in just 9 months.

If we trade Nash people may stop coming to the Nat and caring about this team.:sarcasm:

If trading Nash improves this team then do it. We'll probably loose him after next year anyway. Jordan Staal is a luxury for Pittsburgh. A line of Nash and Malkin would be lethal. Staal is a guy we could build around. This is only a suggestion and I think we could probably get another roster player to boot (salary issues with the Pens). As painful as this may be it is a disussion we need to have.

When/if Nash is traded he will be thrown under the bus constantly by the Dispatch to make the trade look as good as possible.

When/if Nash is traded he will be thrown under the bus constantly by the Dispatch to make the trade look as good as possible.

I hope not. Trading Nash vs. trading Foote are two different animals. Last year we were only 5 points from 8th place and Foote demanded it. Rick has given years of unselfish blood sweat and tears for a bad team. I can't see him demanding a trade but he deserves to taste the playoffs which may not happen here before his contract is up. As long as it would make us better and he goes to a winner I'm good with this.

I don't see a whole lot happening even at the trade deadline. Normally, the players on the move are UFAs. Our UFAs are Peca, Malhotra, and Backman.....which one would you want? Peca, maybe because of his experience and defensive skills. Maholtra is one of the best face off guys in the league. Still wouldn't give up a lot for them. Backman wouldn't get traded for a 7th round pick unless someone has a rash of injuries at D man position.

Despite what you want, Nash will not be traded and neither will any of the young guns. That leaves Klesa, Tolle maybe Russell and Methot or one of the grinders. What GM is going to trade a top 6 forward or a scoring D Man for any combination of the above? Any trade that is made will be minor, unless future draft picks are included.

I am sure the Pens would throw in Ryan Whitney, they don't seem to happy with him and maybe one more name player with some salary. We would have to take back salary to give them the cap space to sign Nash.

I agree Howson does not have the guts to trade Nash until Nash is the bad guy saying he will not re-sign with us. Then he can be demonized and traded.

Howson will sit on his thumbs until we are completely eliminated and then will blame everyone else including Hitch for the disaster of a season. Ownership needs to wake-up to the reality of the economy and that fan interest can't be sustained (excluding the die-hards) without a good product on the ice.

I am sure the Pens would throw in Ryan Whitney, they don't seem to happy with him and maybe one more name player with some salary. We would have to take back salary to give them the cap space to sign Nash.

If that's the trade you have to say yes. You can't say no.

I'll bet when the time comes Nash will sign with the Maple Leafs

Does anyone believe Peca will be traded?

I agree Howson does not have the guts to trade Nash until Nash is the bad guy saying he will not re-sign with us. Then he can be demonized and traded.


Staal and Whitney for Nash?
I'd be happy with that if we could do some sort of sign and trade to lock them up.

When/if Nash is traded he will be thrown under the bus constantly by the Dispatch to make the trade look as good as possible.

Other then Shelley, have they ever not thrown a traded player under the bus?

Does anyone believe Peca will be traded?

I would be surprised if he isn't.

He's done though. Nothing left in the tank. Don't expect anything more then a 4th line defensive center.

Staal and Whitney for Nash?
I'd be happy with that if we could do some sort of sign and trade to lock them up.

Whitney is already locked up until 2013. Staal is an RFA, not worried about him.

Puckrakers mentioned, maybe six weeks ago, that the Pens and Whitney have had a real split and that they were looking to move him.

If it will get people to stop looking at Nash as the be all end all and make them realize he's but one component of this team, then I think he should be moved.

The franchise has generated this Cult of Personality around Nash becausethey had nothing else to sell to the media and the fans for a long time.

Nash may be part of the past, its time for some of us to come to the realization that he will not be here forever... If Gretzky can be traded, so can Nash.

Howson has to do something.
The only question is: is there any team out there that can help him get it done?
Unfortunately, he's not God.

Howson has to do something.
The only question is: is there any team out there that can help him get it done?
Unfortunately, he's not God.

What's in it for ownership green light Howson to make a move though? I agree we need to do something, but Ownership has sunk all this money into another failed season and they weren't on one year contracts either for Commodore, Huselius and Umberger. They are out of the playoffs again this season (barring a miracle)

Other then Shelley, have they ever not thrown a traded player under the bus?

Zenon Konopka.

Whitney was trashed pretty severely.

I have a strange feeling that something is going to happen for us. NYR seems like a team I see pieces falling into place with.

I have a strange feeling that something is going to happen for us. NYR seems like a team I see pieces falling into place with.

I have a feeling something will happen, but nothing I'll like... :(

I was not going to get involved with this conversation and might regret it but everyone on here has said we need an elite center and power play QB. I agree on those two and the only way to get any where near what you need is either trade Nash for them or trade a #1 and a couple prospects like Filatov and Voracek. Where does trading Nash leave you? In contention for years to come. Where does trading your #1 and two top prospects leave you?? Bottom of the barrel most likely.

LeClaire, Modin, Chimera, Peca, Novotny, Murray, Backman, and so on will not land you anything you need but later round draft picks. Trading Nash will get you what you need to build on just not this year. With Brassard going down it was a blow and this season is probably lost. Why play it out with Nash and then loose him for nothing when you can probably get a center and good defenseman if you package someone like Klesla and a draft pick with Nash. I say do it and who knows might even make the playoffs and when Brassard and a year under his belt Voracek. And Filatov with a year in the AHL all of a sudden this is a very very good team with dumping some vets and getting a couple free agents.

I say Howsen does something next week but it will not be what needs to be done. He will take baby steps instead of making the block buster. Sounds like Gaborik or Kovalchuk are available so loosing Nash is not that bad. Just remember you have lost with Nash and such so why not go another route?

Zenon Konopka.

Z was never traded he left for a one way contract in his second year with the Lightning. Being a huge Crunch fan I love Z but he is a jerk and idiot thinking he was going to get what he wanted or needed elsewhere. Everyone thinks of Zenon as a savior but he is not a NHL caliber player and will never be. He is a great AHL player and will be a great coach someday but he is living his dream and that is all it is with the Lightning!

I have a feeling something will happen, but nothing I'll like... :(

This.

We're going to trade Ted Ruth for a 4th round pick in 2010's draft.

Howson's idea of a "blockbuster" will be Doug Weight for a 2nd round pick.

I voted for yes. But will the move be decisive for the team? I don't think so. I don't really like any player from Edmonton that much.

Howson's idea of a "blockbuster" will be Doug Weight for a 2nd round pick.

Unfortunately you might just be right.

I think warlockmb's idea of trading Nash is intriguing, but I'm not sure I trust Howson that much to make a real "blockbuster" deal. On the one hand, dumping some "old guard players" that we've drafted might just help change the team's internal "identity" which contributes to the ongoing apathy and losing. But still, however you cut it, Nash is an upper echelon player and any return we should get for him should reflect that. As it stands I'd be worried we'd do something like trade Nash, a 1st, Leclaire and Klesla for Michael Nylander and a 3rd rounder.

don't most players around the league say that they enjoy playing WITH Nash when they have, on the All-Star team or the Olympics? Does it seem that many clubs are just waiting for the CBJ to get deperate enough to trade Nasher? Waiting for our stock to bottom out? It also seems that not players of any substance would want to be stuck having to live here. Reports of bad owner, bad GM, and bad vibe for the city are tough to hear when we haven't even hit the half way point of THIS season yet.

don't most players around the league say that they enjoy playing WITH Nash when they have, on the All-Star team or the Olympics? Does it seem that many clubs are just waiting for the CBJ to get deperate enough to trade Nasher? Waiting for our stock to bottom out? It also seems that not players of any substance would want to be stuck having to live here. Reports of bad owner, bad GM, and bad vibe for the city are tough to hear when we haven't even hit the half way point of THIS season yet.

I think you just made up that entire sentence.