Anyone Like The Idea Of Tomas Kaberle As A Devil?

Word has it Burke wants him to leave as he's wants a tough guy team. Strangely enough, Kabs is now open to a trade.

Thus, who wants him here & for whom do we trade to make it happen?

My 2 cents (if were to happen) we'd send them:

Fraser, Brookbank & our 2009 2nd Round

I'd take him depending on what we're giving up.

Yes.

But then again I've also said yes to Shanahan, Jagr, and every other non-goalie that people have made a thread about.

My 2 cents (if were to happen) we'd send them:

Fraser, Brookbank & our 2009 2nd Round

Guess again.

I'd love him on the team. But we'd have to part with some worthwhile players

Guess again.

yea more like bergfors greene and a 2nd, or something like that

Carter + a 1st

Can NJ offer something similar?

Carter + a 1st

Can NJ offer something similar?

jeff carter? wrong team, travis zajac? no

My 2 cents (if were to happen) we'd send them:

Fraser, Brookbank & our 2009 2nd Round

To put it nicely, that is not enough for a 1st pairing defenseman who signed at a reasonable rate (4.25 mil) through 2011.

Burke likes his tough hockey players, but he also values talent. Kaberle will fetch more than an AHL defenseman, somebody we nabbed off of waivers, and a 2nd round pick.

Supposedly the Leafs had a deal in place to send Kaberle to the Flyers last year for Jeff Carter and a first round pick, but Kaberle used his no trade clause to stop the trade. Kaberle still has that NTC, which I'm not sure he'd waive for us.

To put it bluntly, I don't think we got what they want. And if you really think Fraser/Brookbank/2nd is equivalent to Carter/1st.....

jeff carter? wrong team, travis zajac? no

He meant the Flyers offered Carter and a 1st for Kaberle and Fletcher didn't bite. Which is why he said "Can NJ offer something similar?"

Anyways, Bob McKenzie said Burke is in rebuild mode right now. He wants to build this team his way, so some guys may be moved no matter how good they are. Of course rebuilding mode means a smaller payroll, so Burke will be looking mostly for picks and prospects in return. However, McKenzie doesn't think any major moves will be done until 2009 because Burke institutes his own holiday roster freeze around December 10th.

My 2 cents (if were to happen) we'd send them:

Fraser, Brookbank & our 2009 2nd Round

LMAO. Yea, then let's send Mottau, Leach, and a 3rd to Calgary for Phaneuf.

LMAO. Yea, then let's send Mottau, Leach, and a 3rd to Calgary for Phaneuf.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/Revolos55/Macros/GuinnessBrilliant.jpg

LMAO. Yea, then let's send Mottau, Leach, and a 3rd to Calgary for Phaneuf.

flames want us to offer more, but i think Mike Rupp can seal the deal :laugh:

flames want us to offer more, but i think Mike Rupp can seal the deal :laugh:

I heard they'd just take John MacLean instead.

Word has it Burke wants him to leave as he's wants a tough guy team. Strangely enough, Kabs is now open to a trade.

Thus, who wants him here & for whom do we trade to make it happen?

My 2 cents (if were to happen) we'd send them:

Fraser, Brookbank & our 2009 2nd Round

Are we trying to get Thomas Kaberle the player or a Mcfarlane Thomas Kaberle with that package?

He meant the Flyers offered Carter and a 1st for Kaberle and Fletcher didn't bite. Which is why he said "Can NJ offer something similar?"

that would probably be like zajac and a first but not as good of an offer cuase carter is better

He meant the Flyers offered Carter and a 1st for Kaberle and Fletcher didn't bite. Which is why he said "Can NJ offer something similar?"Well, he did bite. Kaberle just wouldn't waive his NTC.

I heard they'd just take John MacLean instead.

No Dice, MacLean is need for his brilliantly offensive mastery of offence :laugh:

Are we trying to get Thomas Kaberle the player or a Mcfarlane Thomas Kaberle with that package?

a life size cardboard Kaberle...which would still be better then Mottau/White :sarcasm:

I'd love Kaberle...but there are two problems - cap number when Marty gets off of IR and you'd have to trade either an Oduya or a Zajac to get him. No thanks (and I can't believe I'm saying that about Oduya a year after he looked like he didn't belong in the league).

I'd say Bergfors + Corrente + Fraser would get it done.

I wouldn't do it though.

I'd say Bergfors + Corrente + Fraser would get it done.

I wouldn't do it though.

I think Burke would rather have Clarkson than Bergfors. I would do it for Kaberle.

As much as I love Clarkson I would let him go for Kaberle. I think something like:

Clarkson
Fraser/Corrente/Bergfors
2nd

for

Kaberle

But if they wouldnt take Carter and a 1st then this deal seems awful...

As much as I love Clarkson I would let him go for Kaberle. I think something like:

Clarkson
Fraser/Corrente/Bergfors
2nd

for

Kaberle

But if they wouldnt take Carter and a 1st then this deal seems awful...

Corrente and Bergfors are top prospects, Fraser isn't even close. I think you guys are overrating Fraser's trade value.

We're not getting Kaberle unless Zajac and our first are involved--even then, I think Toronto could get better elsewhere. Bergfors doesn't strike me as a Burke-type of prospect. Burke went of his way to mention that he would probably pass on Nikita Filatov if he were available at the Draft.

I don't think Bergfors has great trade value at this point. Right now he's closer to being Lauri Tukonen than the next Daniel Alfredsson.

As much as I love Clarkson I would let him go for Kaberle. I think something like:

Clarkson
Fraser/Corrente/Bergfors
2nd

for

Kaberle

But if they wouldnt take Carter and a 1st then this deal seems awful...

this has been said in this thread already, kaberle would not waive his NTC

Burke doesn't like 2nd rounders.

Are we trying to get Thomas Kaberle the player or a Mcfarlane Thomas Kaberle with that package?

Haha.

To put it nicely, that is not enough for a 1st pairing defenseman who signed at a reasonable rate (4.25 mil) through 2011.

Burke likes his tough hockey players, but he also values talent. Kaberle will fetch more than an AHL defenseman, somebody we nabbed off of waivers, and a 2nd round pick.

Supposedly the Leafs had a deal in place to send Kaberle to the Flyers last year for Jeff Carter and a first round pick, but Kaberle used his no trade clause to stop the trade. Kaberle still has that NTC, which I'm not sure he'd waive for us.

To put it bluntly, I don't think we got what they want. And if you really think Fraser/Brookbank/2nd is equivalent to Carter/1st.....

You're right, we don't have what they want. Nor would I give up any nucleus players to get him. Just players who really have no future after this season with the Devils.

Brookbank can play D or Wing & is a tough guy. Fraser is big & tough & has NHL potential when/if given a proper opportunity. And our draft pick. IMO...that's good enough for (1) decent defensemen like Kabs. Nothing else beyond those players.

Clarkie isn't going anywhere. Neither is PL3. So who else do we have to fit the type of player they need?

Brookbank can play D or Wing & is a tough guy. Fraser is big & tough & has NHL potential when/if given a proper opportunity. And our draft pick. IMO...that's good enough for (1) decent defensemen like Kabs. Nothing else beyond those players.


Quantity != Quality

While watching the Sharks/Leafs game today, the commentators noted something to the effect that the only defenseman since the lockout with more points than Kaberle has been Nicklas Lidstrom. Kaberle obviously isn't a shutdown defenseman, but I think decent is an understatement.

"Brookbank can play D or W and is a tough guy." Great. So can Wade Belak. You can find guys like Brookbank on the waiver wire (remind me how we got Brookbank again) without giving up your #1 defender.

"Fraser is big and tough and has NHL potential." So did Matt DeMarchi supposedly. Every NHL team has multiple guys that fit the description you wrote. Again, not somebody you give up your #1 defender for.

What would you say if Chicago offered us Matt Walker, Jordan Hendry, and a 2nd round pick for Paul Martin. Walker is big and tough! Hendry has NHL potential! Add in a pick and that should be more than enough for a decent defenseman like Martin.

Sorry dude, your proposal is pretty lopsided. Burke's not gonna dump one of his few valuable assets for average players just because they're "tough." Kaberle at 4.25 million with a 55 million dollar cap is not the same situation as Sergei Fedorov at 6 million with a 39 million dollar cap.

Burke would be looking for a package like Palmieri, Corrente and a pick

Quantity != Quality

While watching the Sharks/Leafs game today, the commentators noted something to the effect that the only defenseman since the lockout with more points than Kaberle has been Nicklas Lidstrom. Kaberle obviously isn't a shutdown defenseman, but I think decent is an understatement.

"Brookbank can play D or W and is a tough guy." Great. So can Wade Belak. You can find guys like Brookbank on the waiver wire (remind me how we got Brookbank again) without giving up your #1 defender.

"Fraser is big and tough and has NHL potential." So did Matt DeMarchi supposedly. Every NHL team has multiple guys that fit the description you wrote. Again, not somebody you give up your #1 defender for.

What would you say if Chicago offered us Matt Walker, Jordan Hendry, and a 2nd round pick for Paul Martin. Walker is big and tough! Hendry has NHL potential! Add in a pick and that should be more than enough for a decent defenseman like Martin.

Sorry dude, your proposal is pretty lopsided. Burke's not gonna dump one of his few valuable assets for average players just because they're "tough." Kaberle at 4.25 million with a 55 million dollar cap is not the same situation as Sergei Fedorov at 6 million with a 39 million dollar cap.
Agreed, what seperates guys like Demarchi and guys like Jason Smith is understanding the game and what needs to be done in order to be effective. Demarchi wasn't smart with the puck at all, didn't have any poise and probably wasn't strong enough on his skates to handle big forwards. Fraser needs to key in on positioning and breakout's in order to make the NHL.

Burke would be looking for a package like Palmieri, Corrente and a pick

That is exactly what I said in the Kaberle thread on the trade board.

Palmieri to be a Dustin Penner type and Corrente to play a similar game to Bieksa. Cant say I would do that deal.

That is exactly what I said in the Kaberle thread on the trade board.

Palmieri to be a Dustin Penner type and Corrente to play a similar game to Bieksa. Cant say I would do that deal.
It depends how close I feel we are to a Stanley Cup. I would hate to give up that much of a physical pressence for the future but Kaberle would turn our PP top 5 IMO.

Wow. Jeff Carter and a 1st. That would have been a "whoops". Kaberle, McCabe and Sundin must have really not liked the Leafs organization.

No Kaberle. No.

I doubt very much that the Flyers still have Carter and a first on the table. Leafs are out of luck with that deal. I'll give Burke Colin White, if he want's toughness. :naughty:

Kaberle drew Carter and a 1st? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Carter have 15 goals this year? Sounds like Kaberle saved the Flyers from themselves.

Kaberle drew Carter and a 1st? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Carter have 15 goals this year? Sounds like Kaberle saved the Flyers from themselves.

18, league high.

I can't believe Philly offered that.

I can't believe Philly offered that.

Carter wasn't nearly this good last year. Carter and a 1 for Kaberle looked like a fair trade last year. Now that Carter has broken out big time, I highly doubt Philly would make the trade again.

Also, just in case nobody knows, I read somewhere that Kaberle's No Trade Clause is voided if the Leafs miss the playoffs 2 years in a row. In other words, since they missed last year, if they miss again this year, he can be traded anywhere over the summer. So it might be in his best interest to waive the clause this season, as long as he has some choice in where he ends up.

Kaberle would be great for the Devils. Better than Rafalski and at a cheaper price tag. He would definitely command a hefty price in our young players, but I would definitely do it, so long as Zajac wasn't involved.

Martin-Salvador (shut down pair)
Oduya-Kaberle (GREAT puck moving pair)
White-Green/Salmela (solid 2-way 3rd pair)

not a bad idea, though I would only give up perhaps Clarkson and maybe Pandalfo along with a 2nd rounder. You got to remember that Burke is trying to move him, not that we are trying to steal him.

not a bad idea, though I would only give up perhaps Clarkson and maybe Pandalfo along with a 2nd rounder. You got to remember that Burke is trying to move him, not that we are trying to steal him.

We don't even know if Burke is going to move Kaberle, most folks just assume that he will because Kaberle's not North American and/or physical. But he's not going to move a decent player with a highly reasonable contract for peanuts just to get some tough guys.

I don't know, thats practically how we got Salvidor, I'm i'm not say Sal is a Kaberle type player, but Toronto has been playing a lot more physical this year, and tough guys are Burkes style, plus he needs draft picks.

oh how id love to see kaberle as a dev. but its not happening. no kaberle, no bouwmeester, nada. its mottau/leach/brokeback or bust!

I don't know, thats practically how we got Salvidor, I'm i'm not say Sal is a Kaberle type player, but Toronto has been playing a lot more physical this year, and tough guys are Burkes style, plus he needs draft picks.

Salvador was an impending free agent and St. Louis didn't have plans on keeping him. So they had to move him...obviously most figured they'd prefer a draft pick over a guy like Janssen, but regardless that's a different situation than Kaberle. Burke doesn't have to move Kaberle unless he gets presented with a deal that makes sense to him.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/12/05/wilson_kaberle_comments/

Sweet, lower your trade value for the package Lou is putting together. :sarcasm:

Clarkson, Gionta, 2nd for Kaberle

Clarkson, Gionta, 2nd for Kaberle

Gionta is an UFA after this year. So a rebuilding team like Toronto has no interest in him.

Sweet, lower your trade value for the package Lou is putting together. :sarcasm:

Exactly, if Toronto is going to treat him like crap, then we'll be glad to take him off their hands. Leach is a +3 so that means he's really good right. So i think Leach for Kaberle trade would be fair.

There were two trades over the summer involving offensive defensemen which I think can act as decent gauges for Kaberle's worth.

Lubomir Visnovsky - 32 years old - 5 years @ 5.6 mil - Traded for Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene. LA already had a boatload of draft picks and prospects, so they wanted a couple NHLers in their 20s.

Dan Boyle - 32 years old - 5 years @ 6.67 mil - Traded with Brad Lukowich for Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, 1st and 4th round picks.

Tomas Kaberle - 31 years old - 2+ years @4.25 mil

I'd argue that Kaberle is worth more than Visnovsky was due to sheer cap hit. Only a handful of teams could have afford Lubo, thus driving down the number of suitors. Pretty much every NHL team can fit Kaberle, especially if the cap decreases for next year.

I'd expect Burke to try to find a package more similar to Stoll/Greene than Carle/prospect/pick. Burke hasn't struck me as somebody who values draft picks more than players with pro experience.

There were two trades over the summer involving offensive defensemen which I think can act as decent gauges for Kaberle's worth.

Lubomir Visnovsky - 32 years old - 5 years @ 5.6 mil - Traded for Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene. LA already had a boatload of draft picks and prospects, so they wanted a couple NHLers in their 20s.

Dan Boyle - 32 years old - 5 years @ 6.67 mil - Traded with Brad Lukowich for Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, 1st and 4th round picks.

Tomas Kaberle - 31 years old - 2+ years @4.25 mil

I'd argue that Kaberle is worth more than Visnovsky was due to sheer cap hit. Only a handful of teams could have afford Lubo, thus driving down the number of suitors. Pretty much every NHL team can fit Kaberle, especially if the cap decreases for next year.

I'd expect Burke to try to find a package more similar to Stoll/Greene than Carle/prospect/pick. Burke hasn't struck me as somebody who values draft picks more than players with pro experience.
Burke likes physicality too, I think he'd be high on getting Clarkson.