Bergfors

Niklas Bergfors 2G 1A +3 tonight :handclap:

I still like this kid.

Niklas Bergfors 2G 1A +3 tonight :handclap:

I still like this kid.

Me too. Too bad Sutter doesn't.

Nicklas Bergfors 10 6 8 14 +7

He leads Lowell in Goals, Plus/Minus and has most goals on the PP. Sutter was totally right to bury him on the 4th line and not giving him time on the powerplay. Barry Tallackson got yesterday more time one the PP than Bergfors in his 8 games.:shakehead

He has only play 10 AHL-games and is one of the best PP-scorers in AHL. :)

Nicklas Bergfors 10 6 8 14 +7

He leads Lowell in Goals, Plus/Minus and has most goals on the PP. Sutter was totally right to bury him on the 4th line and not giving him time on the powerplay. Barry Tallackson got yesterday more time one the PP than Bergfors in his 8 games.:shakehead

That's disgusting.

Oh wait, Tallackson is from Denmark right? No bias here...

Bring back the Berg :nod:

Here's to 100 points for Bergfors in Lowell and playoff hockey in the AHL. That might be the most refreshing thing that could happen for the whole Devils organisation right now.:handclap:

Even though he's only 21 I was getting anxious for him to show he could put up some points. I think the time in the NHL has helped him a lot; to see what he needs to do and what he can do.

Here's to 100 points for Bergfors in Lowell and playoff hockey in the AHL. That might be the most refreshing thing that could happen for the whole Devils organisation right now.:handclap:

Even though he's only 21 I was getting anxious for him to show he could put up some points. I think the time in the NHL has helped him a lot; to see what he needs to do and what he can do.

Agree

I'll be shocked if he's still in the Devils organization by the end of the season.

I'll be shocked if he's still in the Devils organization by the end of the season.

I disagree. While he did get the short end of the stick during his short tenure with the devils he came to north America after drafting him for a reason. He wants to play in the NHL. not in Europe. I think he may get a fair shot next year. Other then that the only way he leaves the organization next year is if we trade him.

I'll be shocked if he's still in the Devils organization by the end of the season.

What on earth makes you say that?

What on earth makes you say that?

i think people are overreacting to the fact that we sent him down. He wants to be in North America and this is where he'll stay. Petr Vrana on the other hand could very well be gone.

i think people are overreacting to the fact that we sent him down. He wants to be in North America and this is where he'll stay. Petr Vrana on the other hand could very well be gone.

Not that we sent him down, that we didn't play him at all while he was here. It is funny how Halischuk and Tallackson get more TOI than Bergfors and Vrana.

Not that we sent him down, that we didn't play him at all while he was here. It is funny how Halischuk and Tallackson get more TOI than Bergfors and Vrana.

Halischuk got benched after one game! Tallackson has palyed more minutes for 2 reasons.

1: He's older
2: He's more experienced then Bergfors.

Experience is what matters most to Sutter. Thats the reason he plays certain players more then others. I've been on the Bergfors bandwagon since the day we drafted him. I wanted him to play just as much as the next guy but it didn't happen. He'll be back next year and i think he'll get a much better chance. I think he took this stint in the NHL as a learning experience. He knows what Sutter is going to expect from him and he'll improve his game even more in the AHL. I think everyone in the organization still thinks of him as one of our top prospects. When he's ready he'll paly.

I disagree. While he did get the short end of the stick during his short tenure with the devils he came to north America after drafting him for a reason. He wants to play in the NHL. not in Europe. I think he may get a fair shot next year. Other then that the only way he leaves the organization next year is if we trade him.

Yeah, I meant because we will trade him.

I really hope that Bergfors gets traded and gets a fair chance with an NHL team...and some day I hope that he comes back to haunt the Devils.

I'm so pissed at Lou and Sutter about this whole situation...I hope the Devils get a 7:th rounder in return for him.

The kid doesn't deserve the crap he's getting from the New Jersey Devils, and he deserves to play for a real coach.

Yeah....I'm pissed today...

I really hope that Bergfors gets traded and gets a fair chance with an NHL team...and some day I hope that he comes back to haunt the Devils.

I'm so pissed at Lou and Sutter about this whole situation...I hope the Devils get a 7:th rounder in return for him.

The kid doesn't deserve the crap he's getting from the New Jersey Devils, and he deserves to play for a real coach.

Yeah....I'm pissed today...


I Agree With You, Completely. I feel sad for Bergfors. Bergfors is blessed with an enormous amount of natural skill. I’m happy for him if he gets traded. He gets burned here. :)

I Agree With You, Completely. I feel sad for Bergfors. Bergfors is blessed with an enormous amount of natural skill. I’m happy for him if he gets traded. He gets burned here. :)

The kid doesn't deserve the crap he's getting from the New Jersey Devils, and he deserves to play for a real coach.

He isn't playing with the big club right now because THERE'S NO PLACE ON THE TOP 6 FOR HIM AT THE MOMENT. Lou, Sutter and Conte aren't idiots and they drafted the kid for a reason... no ?!?!? Both of our top 2 lines were rolling the past few weeks or so and instead of using Bergfors for about 4 minutes per game on a defensive line with players like Brookbank and Rupp, wouldn't you rather see him log 15 to 20 minutes in the AHL and let someone like Barry Tallackson rot on the 4th line ???

He isn't playing with the big club right now because THERE'S NO PLACE ON THE TOP 6 FOR HIM AT THE MOMENT. Lou, Sutter and Conte aren't idiots and they drafted the kid for a reason... no ?!?!? Both of our top 2 lines were rolling the past few weeks or so and instead of using Bergfors for about 4 minutes per game on a defensive line with players like Brookbank and Rupp, wouldn't you rather see him log 15 to 20 minutes in the AHL and let someone like Barry Tallackson rot on the 4th line ???

If there ever was a spot for him on the top 2 lines it's now. We've been dealt with injuries all year and it could've been a great opportunity for Bergfors...but Sutter just doesn't let him play.

Guys like Gionta, Langenbrunner, Rolston have all been out....Bergfors could've played on the top 2 lines. He also could've received PP time to bring us some offense, but Sutter instead chooses to go with Brookbank, Rupp, Tallackson etc....

It's really ridiculous. Sutter and the Devils have no clue how to handle offensive prospects. Zero.

If there ever was a spot for him on the top 2 lines it's now. We've been dealt with injuries all year and it could've been a great opportunity for Bergfors...but Sutter just doesn't let him play.

Guys like Gionta, Langenbrunner, Rolston have all been out....Bergfors could've played on the top 2 lines. He also could've received PP time to bring us some offense, but Sutter instead chooses to go with Brookbank, Rupp, Tallackson etc....

It's really ridiculous. Sutter and the Devils have no clue how to handle offensive prospects. Zero.

Yeah... guys like Parise, Elias and Gomez were all drafted by New Jersey but turned out to be busts and Travis Zajac's play isn't better then last year.

Gimme a freaking break :shakehead

It's really ridiculous. Sutter and the Devils have no clue how to handle offensive prospects. Zero.

Yeah, you're being way short-sighted here.

Yeah... guys like Parise, Elias and Gomez were all drafted by New Jersey but turned out to be busts and Travis Zajac's play isn't better then last year.

Gimme a freaking break :shakehead

Brent Sutter didn't coach when Parise, Elias and Gomez get the chance :-)

Halischuk got benched after one game! Tallackson has palyed more minutes for 2 reasons.

1: He's older
2: He's more experienced then Bergfors.


Tallackson is also in a different situation. It's make it or break it for him. He is 25 and is getting called up the 4th season in a row. He hasn't done much in any of his callups. If he doesn't prove himself now, i doubt he is getting another chance. Or let's better say i hope so.

If there ever was a spot for him on the top 2 lines it's now. We've been dealt with injuries all year and it could've been a great opportunity for Bergfors...but Sutter just doesn't let him play.


This is my biggest concern right now. When Gionta got injured there was no excuse to not use him in a top 6 role or a least give him time on the pp. Using Clarkson in a top 6 role didn't make any sense. He has two moves in the offensive zone, below-average skating and no upside for a top 6 role. He is a good 3/4th liner and nothing more. If Sutter does stuff like this again, i doubt he will be a successful NHL-Coach.

I really hope that Bergfors gets traded and gets a fair chance with an NHL team...and some day I hope that he comes back to haunt the Devils.


this is the stupidest thing i've read in a long time.

Brent Sutter didn't coach when Parise, Elias and Gomez get the chance :-)

Yeah, but DS said "and the Devils", which means Lou and Co.

I actually meant the Devils under Sutter....what transpired prior to that doesn't count. Sutter is a part of the Devils organization now, and he has too much influence on what happens IMO...hence why the Devils have no clue anymore when it comes to offensive prospects.

Tallackson is also in a different situation. It's make it or break it for him. He is 25 and is getting called up the 4th season in a row. He hasn't done much in any of his callups. If he doesn't prove himself now, i doubt he is getting another chance. Or let's better say i hope so.


we have said this about tallackson so many times before yet he keeps on getting chances, he is not a NHL player but they keep on calling him up. right now he is barely an AHL player.


This is my biggest concern right now. When Gionta got injured there was no excuse to not use him in a top 6 role or a least give him time on the pp. Using Clarkson in a top 6 role didn't make any sense. He has two moves in the offensive zone, below-average skating and no upside for a top 6 role. He is a good 3/4th liner and nothing more. If Sutter does stuff like this again, i doubt he will be a successful NHL-Coach

thats the funniest part of all of this, sutter was a Juniors coach and IMO one of the reasons Lou hired him was to develop prospects. He obviously isnt doing that...yet

I actually meant the Devils under Sutter....what transpired prior to that doesn't count. Sutter is a part of the Devils organization now, and he has too much influence on what happens IMO...hence why the Devils have no clue anymore when it comes to offensive prospects.

How is the 100 or so game tenure of Sutter nearly long enough to make such a statement like that? Hey, if you wanna say that the Devils have no clue anymore about how to develop young players anymore, be my guest, but I don't make rash and short sighted posts.

Fact is that, while emerging and developing better, our prospect pool is nothing too special. It's not like Sutter is misusing a Crosby-type talent.

Here are the facts:

Bergfors' first game of the season was on 11/1 against Atlanta. He got 5 shifts for 4:07 of ice time in the first period and scored a goal on his 4th shift. In the last two periods he got a combined 6 shifts for 4:27 of ice time. The game was a blow-out by the middle of the second period, and the Devils went into the third with a 6-0 lead, but he still didn't get any playing time. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?

Its obvious Sutter sees something In Bergfors he didn't like... Maybe he wasen't hussling enough on defense? who knows but ill trust Sutter, who Lou absolutely loves, and I have faith in Lou..................

Its obvious Sutter sees something In Bergfors he didn't like... Maybe he wasen't hussling enough on defense? who knows but ill trust Sutter, who Lou absolutely loves, and I have faith in Lou..................

Yea, I'm not buying that bullcrap. The only way he's going to improve his defensive game is by getting more experience, and Sutter gave him less than 3 minutes of ice time when they were up 6-0. That's called getting shafted. I can't see Bergfors having a future with this team. He will have a future in the NHL though, I'm willing to bet on it.

Yea, I'm not buying that bullcrap. The only way he's going to improve his defensive game is by getting more experience, and Sutter gave him less than 3 minutes of ice time when they were up 6-0. That's called getting shafted. I can't see Bergfors having a future with this team. He will have a future in the NHL though, I'm willing to bet on it.
It's really amazing, every time he took a shift you could notice him skating and whenever he had the puck he would always beat the defenseman.

I'm really not that concerned about Bergfors. He's 21 and this is his 4th year of pro experience....not a lot of players can say that. Lou wants to take his time and not rush him like he rushed Zajac. We let Gionta walk in the off season and suddenly we have a hole in our top six. Hopefully the stint Bergfors had, while still very disappointing, will end up being good for him.

I think Vrana is going to bolt back to Europe after this season though.

It's really amazing, every time he took a shift you could notice him skating and whenever he had the puck he would always beat the defenseman.

I'm really not that concerned about Bergfors. He's 21 and this is his 4th year of pro experience....not a lot of players can say that. Lou wants to take his time and not rush him like he rushed Zajac. We let Gionta walk in the off season and suddenly we have a hole in our top six. Hopefully the stint Bergfors had, while still very disappointing, will end up being good for him.

I think Vrana is going to bolt back to Europe after this season though.

somehow, he still wont play.

I'm happy they haven't rushed him like they did with Zajac. I guarantee he'll be the first guy called up if we another player goes down. And if he doesn't make the team on a consistent basis this year I think he'll be a regular by the start of next season when Gionta leaves.

Yea, I'm not buying that bullcrap. The only way he's going to improve his defensive game is by getting more experience, and Sutter gave him less than 3 minutes of ice time when they were up 6-0. That's called getting shafted. I can't see Bergfors having a future with this team. He will have a future in the NHL though, I'm willing to bet on it.

well then call Lou and Sutter and tell them to play Bergfors more...Bergfors isn't ready to play with the big boys yet

It's really amazing, every time he took a shift you could notice him skating and whenever he had the puck he would always beat the defenseman.

I'm really not that concerned about Bergfors. He's 21 and this is his 4th year of pro experience....not a lot of players can say that. Lou wants to take his time and not rush him like he rushed Zajac. We let Gionta walk in the off season and suddenly we have a hole in our top six. Hopefully the stint Bergfors had, while still very disappointing, will end up being good for him.

I think Vrana is going to bolt back to Europe after this season though.

I'm very worried about Gionta being re-signed. Even though he's been playing well as of late, he's very inconsistent, and he's a guy who needs the right linemates in order to be effective. Not worth the money or the roster space.

I think Vrana is going to bolt back to Europe after this season though.

So after six years of playing hockey in North America he's going to leave after finally making the NHL because he doesn't like his ice time? I doubt it. I could see Bergfors leaving if he doesn't earn an NHL spot in training camp next year though.

I'm impressed by Bergfors' improvement this year. I don't think Tallackson is long for this team though. He seems to be playing solely because he's 6'5", coming back from surgery and would have to clear waivers.

Tallackson's 25 now. I assume he has to clear waivers to be sent down, as does Vrana. When the three veteran centres are fit one of the two will surely either be waived or traded. Tallackson is most likely, which explains him being given one final chance following the operation.

Next season Bergfors will be in Vrana's position. His extra skill, experience this season and, hopefully, a fruitful season in Lowell should give him an advantage in breaking into the team.

Regarding the fourth line playing time; it's obvious the line isn't what Sutter expected. He wanted and anticipated a big banging unit featuring Holik and Rupp. I can understand why he is loath to change that up in the short term due to injuries.

With Marty injured, making sure he get wins on the board is even more vital for Sutter and everything with this team is too provisional now to be indulging in developing players at the NHL level.

I'm impressed by Bergfors' improvement this year. I don't think Tallackson is long for this team though. He seems to be playing solely because he's 6'5", coming back from surgery and would have to clear waivers.

Tallackson's 25 now. I assume he has to clear waivers to be sent down, as does Vrana. When the three veteran centres are fit one of the two will surely either be waived or traded. Tallackson is most likely, which explains him being given one final chance following the operation.

Next season Bergfors will be in Vrana's position. His extra skill, experience this season and, hopefully, a fruitful season in Lowell should give him an advantage in breaking into the team.

Regarding the fourth line playing time; it's obvious the line isn't what Sutter expected. He wanted and anticipated a big banging unit featuring Holik and Rupp. I can understand why he is loath to change that up in the short term due to injuries.

With Marty injured, making sure he get wins on the board is even more vital for Sutter and everything with this team is too provisional now to be indulging in developing players at the NHL level.

no one would claim tallackson, he is slow, no shot and just came off of heart surgury.

no one would claim tallackson, he is slow, no shot and just came off of heart surgury.

sounds like a perfect fit for some devils pp time! someone get on the horn with pse&g double quick!

no one would claim tallackson, he is slow, no shot and just came off of heart surgury.

He's also 6'5", 210 and led a terrible Lowell team in goals with 22 in 63 games last season. (He almost doubled Bergfors' numbers in fewer games played). There's also the intriguing possibility that his heart problem (now resolved) was slowing him down/holding him back and at 25 he's a prospect who's nearly ready. He doesn't need five or six years of patient development. If he doesn't help immediately, you stick him on your farm where he will help. If he shows nothing more; let him play out his contract. If you lose him on waivers too, big deal.

Bergfors season has been great so far :handclap: We have to hope we will see him up again.

Yea, I'm not buying that bullcrap. The only way he's going to improve his defensive game is by getting more experience, and Sutter gave him less than 3 minutes of ice time when they were up 6-0. That's called getting shafted. I can't see Bergfors having a future with this team. He will have a future in the NHL though, I'm willing to bet on it.

Lou and Conte have said that Langenbrunner and Gionta are blocking his progress here and insist he's top six material. We shall see this offseason.

I really hope this kid gets his shot HERE. With Parise and Zajac being so young and the future of our team, and guys like Elias here. I hope Bergfors plays, i want to see a top 6 like this in 3 or 4 years.

Elias
Parise
Zajac
Bergfors
Tedenby
Gionta/Zubrus/Rolston

Two words. Chris Minard.





Hopefully not...just give the kid some time in the AHL and maybe he'll grow into a great player for us.

Lou and Conte think Langs and Gionta re blocking him but Sutter may think otherwise. If you can it it puts you way up on the depth charts.

Lou and Conte think Langs and Gionta re blocking him but Sutter may think otherwise. If you can it it puts you way up on the depth charts.

I wouldn't mind seeing Langenbrunner play with Madden and Rolston next year and Bergfors with Parise and Zajac next year.

Elias-Zubrus-Gionta
Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Rolston-Madden-Langenbrunner
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I wouldn't mind seeing Langenbrunner play with Madden and Rolston next year and Bergfors with Parise and Zajac next year.

Elias-Zubrus-Gionta
Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Rolston-Madden-Langenbrunner
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Rupp-Cormier-Clarkson. **** yeah.

We have 3 scoring lines and one 4th line. Beautiful.

that's where Langenbrunner belongs, he has solid defensive play, and can shoot, not great, but he's no pandolfo, when he was with madden and pandolfo on his prime, that was one of the best shut-down lines in the NHL, even got pandolfo to be a selke trophy nomination.

hopefully we deal gionta off for something, or just let him go UFA, Bergfors needs to play up there with ZZpop.

Rupp-Cormier-Clarkson. **** yeah.

We have 3 scoring lines and one 4th line. Beautiful.

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:laugh: that picture was perfect DD.

Lou and Conte think Langs and Gionta re blocking him but Sutter may think otherwise. If you can it it puts you way up on the depth charts.

When Gionta isn't back next year, he has a shot as does Rolston to take his spot. There has to be a reason why Lou hasn't dealt him.

When Gionta isn't back next year, he has a shot as does Rolston to take his spot. There has to be a reason why Lou hasn't dealt him.

...yet. i love bergfors to make a push for a lineup spot but sutter doesnt seem to think so, so i think he will get dealt to another team in a package for a dman.

When Gionta isn't back next year, he has a shot as does Rolston to take his spot. There has to be a reason why Lou hasn't dealt him.

We aren't at the deadline just yet. If someone is going to get traded, it's going to be Gionta or Madden.

Personally, I think we have a solid enough team up front to carry us through the playoffs, especially with the addition of Shanahan.

If we can acquire a legit d-man a la Salvador last year by trading a pick or prospect, then so be it.

If I had to chose Gionta or Madden, I'd rather it be Madden traded. I like the chemistry that the top six has way too much to mess with it.

Cue the barrage of "but Madden is a playoff warrior" statements and the like. Don't worry, I know he is.

Sutter will make do with what Lou gives him. Also, you need players like Bergfors and can't have a team full of guys making north of two million that aren't future HHofers and or aren't all stars.

Sutter will make do with what Lou gives him. Also, you need players like Bergfors and can't have a team full of guys making north of two million that aren't future HHofers and or aren't all stars.

We have a very solid veteran team right now and I'm perfectly fine with Bergfors waiting in the wings while we make a legitimate run for the cup with veterans.

Next year, Shanahan, Holik, and possibly Rupp, Gionta and Madden (mostly likely not all) will be gone, so he should finally have a spot that is his (or another prospect's) to lose.

We aren't at the deadline just yet. If someone is going to get traded, it's going to be Gionta or Madden.

Personally, I think we have a solid enough team up front to carry us through the playoffs, especially with the addition of Shanahan.

If we can acquire a legit d-man a la Salvador last year by trading a pick or prospect, then so be it.

If I had to chose Gionta or Madden, I'd rather it be Madden traded. I like the chemistry that the top six has way too much to mess with it.

Cue the barrage of "but Madden is a playoff warrior" statements and the like. Don't worry, I know he is.

That video of Madden returning from the locker room with a visor on after he got cut by Ozolinsh in 03 still gives me wood.

Where do you play him if you bring him up this season, as currently configured?

He should not play with ant combo of Rupp/Clarkson/Pando.

Gio has a good thing going, right now anyway, with Elias and ZUUUUBES.

ZZPOP is what it is,(our #1 ? line) Parise and Zajac have both said Jamie keeps them in check, and helps them pace their respective games.

There is no proper place for Bergfors right now, but not never.

Bergfors has a future in the organization.
Gionta does not.

I would hate to lose Gio for nothing, ala Gomer/Raffi, but that may be the way it goes if Lou does not want to break up the line as it is, and play to win NOW.

but....

Gio gone = Space for Bergfors.

I'm sorry but it still amazes me that his name spells Forsberg like that

I'm sorry but it still amazes me that his name spells Forsberg like that

whoa.

I'm sorry but it still amazes me that his name spells Forsberg like that

Im tellin ya, thats why he got his injuries now, he will get them all in the beginning of his career. he will have the same career as forgberg, just back words. we should just call him benjamin button. :sarcasm:

What does Lou want from Bergfors? I like Bergfors. Devils dont like him. 4 years in AHL is enought. Why not trade him away?

What does Lou want from Bergfors? I like Bergfors. Devils dont like him. 4 years in AHL is enought. Why not trade him away?

Lou is going for it this year and he wants guys with experience in the line-up. I think Lou wants Bergfors on the team next season, if he doesn't he trades him in a package at the deadline.

What does Lou want from Bergfors? I like Bergfors. Devils dont like him. 4 years in AHL is enought. Why not trade him away?

Have you seen how deep the Devils are at forward? Who would you pull out of the lineup for a very young rookie forward?

Have you seen how deep the Devils are at forward? Who would you pull out of the lineup for a very young rookie forward?


Why not trade him? We must kill the kid. :shakehead

if gio is not resigned, id like to see bergfors get a shot with patty and zubes for next season (that is if they are still together for next yr)

Why not trade him? We must kill the kid. :shakehead

Its not all about one season, and if players don't see that Lou doesn't have time for them. Holik, Shanny, Madden, and Gio are questionable next year. Why trade away a young talent (that can replace one of these players) for a temporary player that would help only this year, or a defender.