What if The Rock was built @ the Meadowlands?

I can't help but think what if The Rock was built within the confines of the New Jersey Meadowlands? Don't get me wrong I know that place is a complete mess right now. And there must be a reason that all the tenants there either left or are trying to leave. The Devils and Seton Hall are gone. The Jets tried to leave but couldn't get the funding for a new stadium in NYC. The Nets want out. And finally the RedBulls will be leaving the complex shortly. The only team that seems happy there is the Giants. Once all the construction is done the Meadowlands will have larger parking lots, mass transportation, and a shiny new football stadium. Add The Rock to that mix and the Meadowlands would be the place to be. All the infrastructure around the complex is going to be redone as well. Combine that with people being able to use mass transportation and you basically cut the congestion in and around the complex in half. The whole Xanadu project I think ultimately will fail but other then that it seems like some exciting things are taking place in the swamp. It seems like fans would have the best of both worlds with The Prudential Center built inside the Meadowlands. You can have the $250.00 seats and corporate types spending $7.75 for a beer in the ice lounge along with all the fancy terrace seating and luxury boxes. At the same time you can have the large tailgating portion of the fan base that would be able to continue to attend games and have there fun in the parking lot. Imagine having a nice wide open parking lot to drive into as well as being able to take the train to the game for the fans that love being able to use mass transportation? I can't help but think about the thousands of Devils fans I've seen tailgating in the Meadowlands parking lot for hours at a time. They have been basically shut out with the new arena being in Newark. Take the family to Newark and spend a fortune on arena or bar food? You can't deny the fact that a lot of Devils fans like taking there family to games and it was great to pack them into the suv hop onto the highway and drive into a wide open parking lot. Not to mention safety and security was never a concern at the Meadowlands like it is in Newark. And no matter how many events take place at the arena without there being an incident I still know that there are people out there that are simply afraid to go into Newark.

I ask the question, was building The Rock in Newark a good idea? The community has not embraced this team one bit. Moving the team to that area didn't grow the fan base. The locals have no interest in hockey or can't afford to goto a game even if they wanted to which they don't. There is constant bickering and lawsuits being filed between the Devils and Newark officials. The Devils fight more with the city of Newark then they did with the NJSEA. What if the Devils got a deal like the Giants and Jets did at the Meadowlands? Sounds perfect to me.

"I can't drink in the parking lot anymore and I'm gonna whine about it" Volume 558,587.

How many people were there tonight?

Anybody remember how many people were at that early season Isles game the last season at CAA? I think you could drop the 1 from in front and it was pretty close.

There is never going to be tailgating room at CAA ever again. You do realize they're opening a huge mall there and people like to park at malls.

Just give it up and become a fan of another team. You hate Devils fans and you hate the Rock, so I'm kinda mesmerized why you're annoyed about the treatment of the fans you hate. Give it up already.

I can't help but think what if The Rock was built within the confines of the New Jersey Meadowlands? Don't get me wrong I know that place is a complete mess right now. And there must be a reason that all the tenants there either left or are trying to leave. The Devils and Seton Hall are gone. The Jets tried to leave but couldn't get the funding for a new stadium in NYC. The Nets want out. And finally the RedBulls will be leaving the complex shortly. The only team that seems happy there is the Giants. Once all the construction is done the Meadowlands will have larger parking lots, mass transportation, and a shiny new football stadium. Add The Rock to that mix and the Meadowlands would be the place to be. All the infrastructure around the complex is going to be redone as well. Combine that with people being able to use mass transportation and you basically cut the congestion in and around the complex in half. The whole Xanadu project I think ultimately will fail but other then that it seems like some exciting things are taking place in the swamp. It seems like fans would have the best of both worlds with The Prudential Center built inside the Meadowlands. You can have the $250.00 seats and corporate types spending $7.75 for a beer in the ice lounge along with all the fancy terrace seating and luxury boxes. At the same time you can have the large tailgating portion of the fan base that would be able to continue to attend games and have there fun in the parking lot. Imagine having a nice wide open parking lot to drive into as well as being able to take the train to the game for the fans that love being able to use mass transportation? I can't help but think about the thousands of Devils fans I've seen tailgating in the Meadowlands parking lot for hours at a time. They have been basically shut out with the new arena being in Newark. Take the family to Newark and spend a fortune on arena or bar food? You can't deny the fact that a lot of Devils fans like taking there family to games and it was great to pack them into the suv hop onto the highway and drive into a wide open parking lot. Not to mention safety and security was never a concern at the Meadowlands like it is in Newark. And no matter how many events take place at the arena without there being an incident I still know that there are people out there that are simply afraid to go into Newark.

I ask the question, was building The Rock in Newark a good idea? The community has not embraced this team one bit. Moving the team to that area didn't grow the fan base. The locals have no interest in hockey or can't afford to goto a game even if they wanted to which they don't. There is constant bickering and lawsuits being filed between the Devils and Newark officials. The Devils fight more with the city of Newark then they did with the NJSEA. What if the Devils got a deal like the Giants and Jets did at the Meadowlands? Sounds perfect to me.

The Meadowlands is a dump now sadly. The Xanadu is a foresaken peice of matter from the depths of hell. I love being in Newark. We draw better than we did in the Meadowlands. ( Percentage wise ) It's easier to get too ( for the masses. I'm alot closer to CAA ( refuse to call it IZOD) ) It's beautiful and one of the main reasons we got it in Newark i belive was because of what the city would help pay for. Personally I loved the on the water arena in Hoboken idea...but it just wasnt fesiable...although...would of been AMAZING.

Oh and about the tailgating. There are TONS of bars by the arena if you feel the need to get ****-faced before a game..you still can.

And what in the world are the exciting things going on at the swamp? ENCAP? Overpriced condos that no one will be able to afford in 3-6 months when they're on breadlines?

Giants Stadium II is the only thing the NJSEA has going for them, and it's largely out of their hands, that why the Giants and the Jets get a great deal on it... they have nothing else. If they lost the Giants and the Jets back to NY, they'd have a dump of a racetrack, a dump of an arena, a gigantic ugly freaking mall with an indoor ski slope and a Pepsi logo ferris wheel, and acres upon acres of parking.

"I can't drink in the parking lot anymore and I'm gonna whine about it" Volume 558,587.

How many people were there tonight?

Anybody remember how many people were at that early season Isles game the last season at CAA? I think you could drop the 1 from in front and it was pretty close.

There is never going to be tailgating room at CAA ever again. You do realize they're opening a huge mall there and people like to park at malls.

Just give it up and become a fan of another team. You hate Devils fans and you hate the Rock, so I'm kinda mesmerized why you're annoyed about the treatment of the fans you hate. Give it up already.

Listen buddy you really need to stop personally attacking people you disagree with, it makes you look foolish. That post of yours was just a complete waste of time. No facts and accusations with no backing? Let me ask you this buddy, how do you know there will never be tailgating at the Meadowlands again? You know that for a fact? Have you seen blue prints? Back that statement up with some facts and I'll agree with you. No you don't have any. Or are you just talking out of your you know what? I hate the Devils and The Rock? LOL, because I asked a question about if it was a good idea to build the arena in East Rutherford? So anybody that questions if building the arena in Newark was a bad idea hates the team and the new building? Why would you say I hate the Devils and the building? I love the Devils and think The Rock is great. I look forward to going to games with my father all the time. Yeah I'm sorry but I just had to break down that ridiculous post of yours. Now it's your turn and atleast make your imagination and personal attacks somewhat exciting rather then your usual boring blabbing.

Now after you are done with the personal attacks remember the three questions I asked because I want to hear the answers.

Just give it up and become a fan of another team. You hate Devils fans and you hate the Rock, so I'm kinda mesmerized why you're annoyed about the treatment of the fans you hate. Give it up already.


I have to hand it to him though. This thread is a great attempt at stirring the pot, which is all he wants to do.

It's not his best effort though, the below attempt was better............

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=554604

I have to hand it to him though. This thread is a great attempt at stirring the pot, which is all he wants to do. It's not his best effort though, this one was better............

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=554604

No, not trying to stir any pot. Simply asking a question that's all. Sometimes you have to expand your thinking and be a little open minded. Don't take it personal.

Listen buddy you really need to stop personally attacking people you disagree with, it makes you look foolish. That post of yours was just a complete waste of time. No facts and accusations with no backing? Let me ask you this buddy, how do you know there will never be tailgating at the Meadowlands again? You know that for a fact? Have you seen blue prints? Back that statement up with some facts and I'll agree with you. No you don't have any. Or are you just talking out of your you know what? I hate the Devils and The Rock? LOL, because I asked a question about if it was a good idea to build the arena in East Rutherford? So anybody that questions if building the arena in Newark was a bad idea hates the team and the new building? Why would you say I hate the Devils and the building? I love the Devils and think The Rock is great. I look forward to going to games with my father all the time. Yeah I'm sorry but I just had to break down that ridiculous post of yours. Now it's your turn and atleast make your imagination and personal attacks somewhat exciting rather then your usual boring blabbing.

Now after you are done with the personal attacks remember the three questions I asked because I want to hear the answers.


Do you think they're closing the mall on the 150-175 dates a year that Izod is booked?

That's a huge mall... have you ever been up to Palisades on a weekend? Ever see how many people park there? Imagine if Palisades had to accomodate 15-20K extra
people for an event.... the whole concept of Xanadu and the arena operating at the same time is so stupid I have to guess they eventually plan to close the arena, because they're going to choke out business.

They're going to have to go to decks. Can you tailgate in a deck? You know the answer to that because there was a big stink back at CAA when they first opened up the parking deck for games.

I don't have to talk about your posting history, it speaks for itself. Whenever you're not *****ing about the Rock and it's location, you're *****ing about Devils fans. And you should be one to talk about personal attacks, I think you physically threatened someone the last time you were posting here.

You want a paracidic relationship where you can spend your money somewhere else and not have to spend it in the arena or in the area. Probably too cheap to even go to Redd's. Guess what, the team doesn't make any money off you drinking in the parking lot, they probably lose money above what you would otherwise have spent when the NJSEA sents them a 10x's upmarked bill for cleanup in the parking lot. The $30 million in extra revenue they pulled last season says they made the correct decision getting out from under the thumb of the NJSEA, who has treated
everyone other than the Giants (until Woody Johnson ponied up the money) as second class citizens.

Now, the NJSEA gets to suffer because they get next to nothing out of the new football stadium and they got that gigantic albatross of a mall that is going to kill their outdated, but still somewhat profitable arena. If they ever lose the Live Nation contract, they might as well hang themselves, because it's the only thing keeping them in business.

Honestly, they should blow everything up but the football stadium and build a casino.

Do you think they're closing the mall on the 150-175 dates a year that Izod is booked?

That's a huge mall... have you ever been up to Palisades on a weekend? Ever see how many people park there? Imagine if Palisades had to accomodate 15-20K extra
people for an event.... the whole concept of Xanadu and the arena operating at the same time is so stupid I have to guess they eventually plan to close the arena, because they're going to choke out business.

They're going to have to go to decks. Can you tailgate in a deck? You know the answer to that because there was a big stink back at CAA when they first opened up the parking deck for games.

I don't have to talk about your posting history, it speaks for itself. Whenever you're not *****ing about the Rock and it's location, you're *****ing about Devils fans. And you should be one to talk about personal attacks, I think you physically threatened someone the last time you were posting here.

You want a paracidic relationship where you can spend your money somewhere else and not have to spend it in the arena or in the area. Probably too cheap to even go to Redd's. Guess what, the team doesn't make any money off you drinking in the parking lot, they probably lose money above what you would otherwise have spent when the NJSEA sents them a 10x's upmarked bill for cleanup in the parking lot. The $30 million in extra revenue they pulled last season says they made the correct decision getting out from under the thumb of the NJSEA, who has treated
everyone other than the Giants (until Woody Johnson ponied up the money) as second class citizens.

Now, the NJSEA gets to suffer because they get next to nothing out of the new football stadium and they got that gigantic albatross of a mall that is going to kill their outdated, but still somewhat profitable arena. If they ever lose the Live Nation contract, they might as well hang themselves, because it's the only thing keeping them in business.

Honestly, they should blow everything up but the football stadium and build a casino.


And a stock car track :).

And a stock car track :).

Why not, they have both in Dover.

Do you think they're closing the mall on the 150-175 dates a year that Izod is booked?

That's a huge mall... have you ever been up to Palisades on a weekend? Ever see how many people park there? Imagine if Palisades had to accomodate 15-20K extra
people for an event.... the whole concept of Xanadu and the arena operating at the same time is so stupid I have to guess they eventually plan to close the arena, because they're going to choke out business.

They're going to have to go to decks. Can you tailgate in a deck? You know the answer to that because there was a big stink back at CAA when they first opened up the parking deck for games.

I don't have to talk about your posting history, it speaks for itself. Whenever you're not *****ing about the Rock and it's location, you're *****ing about Devils fans. And you should be one to talk about personal attacks, I think you physically threatened someone the last time you were posting here.

You want a paracidic relationship where you can spend your money somewhere else and not have to spend it in the arena or in the area. Probably too cheap to even go to Redd's. Guess what, the team doesn't make any money off you drinking in the parking lot, they probably lose money above what you would otherwise have spent when the NJSEA sents them a 10x's upmarked bill for cleanup in the parking lot. The $30 million in extra revenue they pulled last season says they made the correct decision getting out from under the thumb of the NJSEA, who has treated
everyone other than the Giants (until Woody Johnson ponied up the money) as second class citizens.

Now, the NJSEA gets to suffer because they get next to nothing out of the new football stadium and they got that gigantic albatross of a mall that is going to kill their outdated, but still somewhat profitable arena. If they ever lose the Live Nation contract, they might as well hang themselves, because it's the only thing keeping them in business.

Honestly, they should blow everything up but the football stadium and build a casino.


And a stock car track :).

Do you think they're closing the mall on the 150-175 dates a year that Izod is booked?

That's a huge mall... have you ever been up to Palisades on a weekend? Ever see how many people park there? Imagine if Palisades had to accomodate 15-20K extra
people for an event.... the whole concept of Xanadu and the arena operating at the same time is so stupid I have to guess they eventually plan to close the arena, because they're going to choke out business.

They're going to have to go to decks. Can you tailgate in a deck? You know the answer to that because there was a big stink back at CAA when they first opened up the parking deck for games.

I don't have to talk about your posting history, it speaks for itself. Whenever you're not *****ing about the Rock and it's location, you're *****ing about Devils fans. And you should be one to talk about personal attacks, I think you physically threatened someone the last time you were posting here.

You want a paracidic relationship where you can spend your money somewhere else and not have to spend it in the arena or in the area. Probably too cheap to even go to Redd's. Guess what, the team doesn't make any money off you drinking in the parking lot, they probably lose money above what you would otherwise have spent when the NJSEA sents them a 10x's upmarked bill for cleanup in the parking lot. The $30 million in extra revenue they pulled last season says they made the correct decision getting out from under the thumb of the NJSEA, who has treated
everyone other than the Giants (until Woody Johnson ponied up the money) as second class citizens.

Now, the NJSEA gets to suffer because they get next to nothing out of the new football stadium and they got that gigantic albatross of a mall that is going to kill their outdated, but still somewhat profitable arena. If they ever lose the Live Nation contract, they might as well hang themselves, because it's the only thing keeping them in business.

Honestly, they should blow everything up but the football stadium and build a casino.

With all due respect and I trying to be cordial here your posts are just a bunch of hot air. I really enjoy this forum and don't want to be banned so I'm trying to be as nice as possible. But that doesn't mean I'm just going to let you personally attack me and accuse me of hating the Devils. And I'm not going to sit back when you post things that simply are not true. I am going to stick to the facts with you that's the best policy. You seem to deal with opinions and conspiracy theories. I mean you simply do not know what you are talking about. Where does it say there won't be adequate parking? How you know they will go to parking decks? Can you see the future? Have you seen the blueprints? Do you have an insider that works at the Meadowlands? Are you a construction/traffic/parking expert? You don't have the knowledge to assume those outlandish things you post. I have the answer you don't know. You have NOTHING to back those claims up. I don't know what vendetta you have against the NJSEA or the Meadowlands but it's really affecting your judgment. I asked a simple question and you go on a war path. Now to answer more of your baseless bland personal attacks/accusations. First off I'm not cheap and have been to plenty of bars inside and around the arena. So that's just another fairy tale in your mind. Second just because people don't want to pay bar and arena prices and enjoy tailgating and like saving some money doesn't make them cheap. But thanks for calling me cheap. I've read that the new Giants stadium is going to have huge tailgating zones. So much for tailgating being over at the Meadowlands eh? But I guess you know better then the people that actually work there?

And a stock car track :).

Well, in a perfect world I could imagine a Meadowlands with no Xanadu, the new Giants stadium, the racetrack and The Rock. Wow seems pretty cool to me. That of course is with all the improvements they are doing to accommodate the new stadium.

We'd all be dead of cancer.

And a stock car track :).

O a stock car track I like the sound of that :)................Then I won't have to travel as far anymore.

I do miss the tailgating...

As a corporate customer..I despised the Meadowlands...No where to take clients before the game...An arena in the middle of nowhere..Nothing to do after the game..Simply awful. The Rock changed all that..I have customers who truly want to go to games now..It's been a phenomenal change for the majority of people..Being able to go to dinner (not TGIF or Houlihans on rt 17)..walk to a bar after the game..Its been great.

Also, no money to NJSEA is a welcome change for any organization..The Devils are actually profitable.

I went to tons of games at the meadowlands....it was close to where I live, all highways led to the place, and I loved the tailgating.

I have yet to go to the Rock, I know its a great place, but I dont have a train station near my house, so I would have to drive to Newark, or to a train station.
Call me old fashioned but they lost a live fan when they moved to Newark.
Plus its even more infested with Rags fans, being so close to the city.

16W - your original post was filled with assumptions and oversights (pricing plans, mass transit reducing half of the congestion, ignoring the x number of years that construction would have discrupted attendance, etc.) and you're now upset with other people's assumptions?

as to your actual question - the answer seems quite clear: no, it would not have been better. The Devils got a good deal in Newark, they're on solid financial footing, attendance is up, and the arena is awesome.

I went to tons of games at the meadowlands....it was close to where I live, all highways led to the place, and I loved the tailgating.

I have yet to go to the Rock, I know its a great place, but I dont have a train station near my house, so I would have to drive to Newark, or to a train station.
Call me old fashioned but they lost a live fan when they moved to Newark.
Plus its even more infested with Rags fans, being so close to the city.

So..serious question..I'm from bergen county too..are you scared to drive into a city or are you scared because you're kind of sheltered and dont want to go to a place where you are the minority?

Your comment above is slightly embarrassing..

*wanders in*

Notices another example of how Bergenites think the world revolves around them, or think tailgating for a freaking hockey game at night in the dead of winter is fun(you can't do that anymore at the Meadowlands). Isn't this the same dude who posts this drivel at NJ.com?

*wanders out*

I really don't think there are any more Rangers fans at the Rock than at the CAA. I mean, jesus, the early years and the early 90s, the Meadowlands had just as many. I'm not sure where that assumption comes from.

Mass Transit is planned for Xanadu and isn't built yet, Xanadu isn't even built yet, some of their tenants are already flailing because of the economy and the construction around there is still nuts.

Newark is so easy to get to, esp, from the NYC (where I come from and go to almost every game) and driving in/out is much faster for when I do drive to the Rock.

F the Meadowlands. WE're first fiddle in our building. $$$$$

*wanders in*

Notices another example of how Bergenites think the world revolves around them, or think tailgating for a freaking hockey game at night in the dead of winter is fun(you can't do that anymore at the Meadowlands). Isn't this the same dude who posts this drivel at NJ.com?

*wanders out*

:laugh:

ANd if you're afraid to go to Newark than WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Stop your crying. It's just as safe as anywhere on gamenights. No one is wandering into the danger zones.

So..serious question..I'm from bergen county too..are you scared to drive into a city or are you scared because you're kind of sheltered and dont want to go to a place where you are the minority?

Your comment above is slightly embarrassing..

Its about driving under the influence..............Newark is too far for me to drive from when I'm tanked

Its about driving under the influence..............Newark is too far for me to drive from when I'm tanked

You sound like quite a fan...It is a loss to the entire organization that you don't come anymore..On behalf of all Newark residents..thanks for not coming.

I have to hand it to him though. This thread is a great attempt at stirring the pot, which is all he wants to do.

It's not his best effort though, the below attempt was better............

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=554604

Does everything turn into people making fun of others around here now?? You can respond to a post without insulting someone.

Its about driving under the influence..............Newark is too far for me to drive from when I'm tanked

ANYPLACE should be too far to drive, when you're "tanked." Even getting behind the wheel is idiotic.

You sound like quite a fan...It is a loss to the entire organization that you don't come anymore..On behalf of all Newark residents..thanks for not coming.

You're probably a minor and arent yet allowed to drink, thats too bad, I have a better time with a few beers in me...you'll see in a few years when you're 21.

Wow...

I'm never afraid to go to Newark at any time, people need to stop acting like such *******. The criminals aren't gonna come and hurt you.

ANd if you're afraid to go to Newark than WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Stop your crying. It's just as safe as anywhere on gamenights. No one is wandering into the danger zones.

I think it would be more pertinent to say Newark is no more dangerous or threatening than MSG is on any given day.

The same **** you experience at NY Penn you will at Newark Penn for the most part and frankly there's always some jerk off with a sob story about his dying daughter to get a couple of your bucks and when you consider the location of everything you're not going to see guys standing on corners selling drugs with guns in their waistbands or sets protecting what's theirs or anything like that.

Plus when you consider the amount of gentrification going on in that area, in the long-run it'll probably be better than MSG's location.

I know I always go on tangents about this **** but I can't stress enough how much the city of Newark needed this. I love tailgating and even though it seldom occurred for hockey, it was still enjoyable when it did. But I would much rather abandon that **** hole swamp and move into a city where we're doing something much greater than most people can fathom.

This arena has generated jobs, it has generated money for businesses, it is creating the need and desire to open more businesses, better housing. I mean Newark hasn't had **** since the riots happened, this isn't just for the betterment of the NJ Devils, it has far-reaching impacts that are crucial to the city as a whole.

I love that, in large part, citizens of Newark are employed by the arena (even though it was a stipulation) because it's giving the opportunity to people that maybe didn't have one to take a step forward and thus far I can't say I've encountered a single-person in the 25 or so games I've attended there that wasn't cool and/or friendly.

This isn't just us having a new arena, in a new place, it's us becoming a true part of the fabric of NJ and more importantly giving another chance to a great city which has struggled for the last 40 years or so. We're not just some team playing in the middle of no where anymore, we're a team playing within the confines of a city and playing a major role in bringing back some semblance of respectability and opening a lot of doors for people who might have struggled or gone in another direction altogether.

I'd much rather sacrifice tailgating and know that we're doing so much more than to be back in the ****in swamp with some ridiculous "mall" that's going to raise the level of pretentiousness and douchebaggery to perpetually higher levels.

You're probably a minor and arent yet allowed to drink, thats too bad, I have a better time with a few beers in me...you'll see in a few years when you're 21.

I am sorry thats accident waiting to happen and don't tell me I am underage because I am certainly not lol. I am not even going to comment about having a better time.


Wow another topic that went bad fast lol.

You're probably a minor and arent yet allowed to drink, thats too bad, I have a better time with a few beers in me...you'll see in a few years when you're 21.

You can't drink at a bar before the game? And what does it say about you and a drinking problem that you can't go to a Devils game without a little alcohol in your system?

I mean seriously. You should support your team and using alcohol as an excuse is a bad one - especially considering the options that you have around the Rock.

The last two weekend home games had 17,000+ attendance. The Meadowlands is obselete aside from Giants Stadium. We have the best arena in hockey, I dont understand why this thread was even made. I love downtown Newark, I found yet another great bar last night called "The Spot".
Please lock this thread mod.

I am sorry thats accident waiting to happen and don't tell me I am underage because I am certainly not lol. I am not even going to comment about having a better time.


Wow another topic that went bad fast lol.

You can't drink at a bar before the game? And what does it say about you and a drinking problem that you can't go to a Devils game without a little alcohol in your system?

I mean seriously. You should support your team and using alcohol as an excuse is a bad one - especially considering the options that you have around the Rock.

I dont have a drinking problem....but when I do have a few, I wont drive around Jersey..........like...eh Dano.
By the way there is a 10 page thread on this forum about being "drunk", and I see a lot of your names there.

I dont have a drinking problem....but when I do have a few, I wont drive around Jersey..........like...eh Dano.
By the way there is a 10 page thread on this forum about being "drunk", and I see a lot of your names there.

I have never driven with alcohol in my system. Never. It's a much different situation that you put yourself in.

I don't like to get into a moral debate here, but you put people in danger when you are drunk and then you get into a car. My drunk is doesn't put myself or anyone else in danger.

I dont have a drinking problem....but when I do have a few, I wont drive around Jersey..........like...eh Dano.
By the way there is a 10 page thread on this forum about being "drunk", and I see a lot of your names there.

Oh god forbid people consume alcohol. Heres a tip, drive to a train station, know your limit when drinking around the bars in Newark and at the game, sober up in the third period and on the train ride home.
The train is there for a reason.
God this thread sucks, get rid of it. The commerce in Newark is incredible because of the Rock, so much money gets spent in the surrounding resturants and bars. I talked with the owner of "The Spot" last night, the bar just opened, his exact words were "without the Devils, I dont have this bar." And to the people who are upset that there are 5,000 Rangers fans at our games when the Rags are in town, deal with it, it was like that at the CAA in the early years when the Rangers were good. They come out when they are winning, simple as that.

Yecchhh.

Yecchhh.
RaNG3RZ FaNZ *** 2 Da ROCK! CLOSE IT DOWN, dEY DIDNt COME 2 The CaA!
The Devils were second in attendance last night and probably killed every team at the gate. Izod is french for obsolete.

You can't drink at a bar before the game? And what does it say about you and a drinking problem that you can't go to a Devils game without a little alcohol in your system?

I mean seriously. You should support your team and using alcohol as an excuse is a bad one - especially considering the options that you have around the Rock.

hey now....... I'm always drunk at games too. But I also waited 14 years to be able to do this, god ****ing damn it. Now you get right down off your high horse and apologize to me. I'm offended. hahaha


Okay maybe I'm not offended.

You're probably a minor and arent yet allowed to drink, thats too bad, I have a better time with a few beers in me...you'll see in a few years when you're 21.

I'm 35 with two kids....your comment was moronic about DUI..

hey now....... I'm always drunk at games too. But I also waited 14 years to be able to do this, god ****ing damn it. Now you get right down off your high horse and apologize to me. I'm offended. hahaha


Okay maybe I'm not offended.

I have no problems with people who are drunk at the games. But to say that I can't go to a game because I need to get drunk before driving there is ********.

RaNG3RZ FaNZ *** 2 Da ROCK! CLOSE IT DOWN, dEY DIDNt COME 2 The CaA!
The Devils were second in attendance last night and probably killed every team at the gate. Izod is french for obsolete.

Hate to be Steve Stickler here, Izod is not French and they no longer have the rights to Lacoste. Other than that, I agree.


Here's a hypothetical for the creator of this thread:

What if we had a time machine and convinced two certain people to stop at third base, we would be spared this asinine drivel.

What if we were all brothers and our parents were Queen Elizabeth and Lord Mountbatten. We could all kill our ex wives in Paris Tunnels.

I think it would be more pertinent to say Newark is no more dangerous or threatening than MSG is on any given day... etc etc etc...



Well said fortheloveof666, well said.

Enough already. Let's move on.

I have no problems with people who are drunk at the games. But to say that I can't go to a game because I need to get drunk before driving there is ********.

haha well yeah, I'm going to go regardless, I just like getting drunk because otherwise I tend to be more quiet and reserved.

But I did manage to find the one spot in the place with 24 oz beers. :yo:

It's sad to see certain fans can't move on and treat the Devils move to Newark akin to say, Fargo or even Medellin. Face it folks, they've moved and it's time for fans who can't come to terms with it to either find a new team or hobby. I heard from fellow STH from last year and how far it is now and or how it's not easy to get to.

Tailgating is overrated and it's certainly not more important than going to the game. It's not like all Devils fans tailgate, anyway (shocking, I'm sure). Besides, aren't football fans having a hard time trying to tailgate (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2008/08/sports_authority_to_impose_str.html) at the swamp now anyway?

The financial implications of waiting for "exciting things" to happen at the swamp were also a major consideration. They were already losing money with the deal with the NJSEA, so not only would they not be making the money that they are in Newark, but also they would not have had the money to finance the arena. At the time, the NJSEA could have been in a better position to bargain with the Devils for a bigger cut because of having other tenants. The Devils and Seton Hall leaving certainly helped the football stadium in that regard. Besides, the rail transportation to the Meadowlands has been talked about for years, and they never did it. If keeping the Devils at the swamp were that important, maybe they should have done it earlier.

There have been plenty of children on the trains and at the games. Parents didn't have any problems bringing their children for the circus, Disney on Ice, or Hannah Montana; there's no reason why a Devils game should be any different. Being a girl and having gone to games by myself, I've always found safety at the Swamp to be a much bigger concern. The parking lots were not especially well lit, no police officers around...very scary if you had parked a bit far away or had to walk through the tunnel. If anything happened, there was no one around to help. In Newark, there are plenty of cops around...people around in general, really, even at the train station. Newark's reputation is changing, despite what the haters on nj.com like to think. And it's really ridiculous that NJ residents treat their state's oldest city the exact same way that people around the US treat NJ.

The only knock on Newark is how SLOOOOOOOW redevelopment is going and how much they will shake up Devils fans for more money every season. For that, Newark stinks. They were supposed to be two hotels built as well as some other projects.

haha well yeah, I'm going to go regardless, I just like getting drunk because otherwise I tend to be more quiet and reserved.

But I did manage to find the one spot in the place with 24 oz beers. :yo:

I'm the same way as you. More beers in me makes it a better time for me.

I was just responding to using alcohol as an excuse to not go to a game. I have zero problems with drinking at a game, believe me.

The only knock on Newark is how SLOOOOOOOW redevelopment is going and how much they will shake up Devils fans for more money every season. For that, Newark stinks. They were supposed to be two hotels built as well as some other projects.

I don't know if you've noticed, but there is a little bit of an economic slowdown and a slight "credit crunch"...All in good time my friend...

I'm the same way as you. More beers in me makes it a better time for me.

I was just responding to using alcohol as an excuse to not go to a game. I have zero problems with drinking at a game, believe me.

yeah if overpaying for beer is an excuse than you really got it ass backward. The 24's I get inside are 10 bucks when I could buy one in a liquor store for like 2.50. haha.

But it's conducive to me being a little louder, not as loud as CJ though. hahah. I would not wanna get yelled at by her.

I don't know if you've noticed, but there is a little bit of an economic slowdown and a slight "credit crunch"...All in good time my friend...

These plans were in placed well before the talk of an economic slowdown. Watch the Jim Nantz presentation as well as the original plans. Ground should of broken on the hotels at the same time as the arena. The fact is, people shouldn't use the economy as an excuse. The project was not shelved for "economic" reasons, the fact is that they don't their junk together.

They never found a tenant for the steak house and they opening in time for the end of the season. It's called a lack of belief/effort/coordination on the part of the city. They still don't know how to turn it around with a marquee venue in town. Why isn't Booker more proactive? They could of built the two hotels and made a bid for a political convention and or piggybanked on the NYC olympic bid. Instead, we get shaken up by the City for police ot. If they knew what they were doing, they could grow their tax base instead of milking saltines from the suburbs.

I don't know if you've noticed, but there is a little bit of an economic slowdown and a slight "credit crunch"...All in good time my friend...

Yeah, I mean when Casino's are failing to get their development plans under way, I'm pretty sure some hotel in Newark isn't going to bode well either.

Yeah, I mean when Casino's are failing to get their development plans under way, I'm pretty sure some hotel in Newark isn't going to bode well either.

Which Casino's are faling to get developments plans under way? Borgata just finished a tower and there are two other major Casino projects going on for NEW properties in AC as well as a Massive overhaul of the Taj Mahal.

The Hotel projects were supposed to go up at the same time as the Arena. One was supposed to be a Boutique hotel and the other a major chain. Using the last two months economic news is just a poor excuse.

In regard to tailgating at the meadowlands, how is it outlawed? I've been to every giants game this season, and the whole place is a huge tailgate...

Maybe I missed where this was touched on, but how could they have put the Rock in the Meadowlands, anyway? It's not like there was unlimited space to build it while the CAA was still standing, especially with the new stadium going up as well.

You're probably a minor and arent yet allowed to drink, thats too bad, I have a better time with a few beers in me...you'll see in a few years when you're 21.

Designate a driver? :dunno:

Pretty ridiculous that your reason for not going to games anymore is because you can't drink and drive that far


As for the original topic, I've gone to so many more games in Newark than I did at CAA.. This year I've been to 7 (including the 2 preseason) games.. If it were at the Meadowlands, I prob would have been to 2 and likely not going to another anytime soon.. I'm already looking forward to getting to the game when they return from their 5 game trip

I love the Rock where it is and it's access to the train and atmosphere

As for the original topic, I've gone to so many more games in Newark than I did at CAA.. This year I've been to 7 (including the 2 preseason) games.. If it were at the Meadowlands, I prob would have been to 2 and likely not going to another anytime soon.. I'm already looking forward to getting to the game when they return from their 5 game trip

I love the Rock where it is and it's access to the train and atmosphere

Same here, the accessibility to the rock is tremendously easy.

I cant wait until i get my license. Its going to be so easy getting there...

Its about driving under the influence..............Newark is too far for me to drive from when I'm tanked

So, you're a "fan" as you say, but the #1 reason you havent been to any of the ~60 games at The Rock is because you cant get wasted? Wow....... I dont even know what to say about that.


You're probably a minor and arent yet allowed to drink, thats too bad, I have a better time with a few beers in me...you'll see in a few years when you're 21.

Hey Hargsy. I grew up in Hunterdon County. That's out in the stix. Rolling hills, horse farms, country.....very pretty. Also VERY FAR from CAA. It didnt stop me from going to plenty of Devils games because I couldnt drink enough to shame a sailor on shore leave. If consuming alcohol is your top priority you are not a fan.

Which Casino's are faling to get developments plans under way? Borgata just finished a tower and there are two other major Casino projects going on for NEW properties in AC as well as a Massive overhaul of the Taj Mahal.

The Hotel projects were supposed to go up at the same time as the Arena. One was supposed to be a Boutique hotel and the other a major chain. Using the last two months economic news is just a poor excuse.

I'm pretty sure MGM is postponing their development of their new Casino (and has instead focused on the Borgata efforts) and if I recall correctly Pinnacle Entertainment (I believe that's the company name) backed out of their development project entirely.

edit: and this is far longer than 2 months economic news. this is just the pieces falling off of the already cracked facade.

These plans were in placed well before the talk of an economic slowdown. Watch the Jim Nantz presentation as well as the original plans. Ground should of broken on the hotels at the same time as the arena. The fact is, people shouldn't use the economy as an excuse. The project was not shelved for "economic" reasons, the fact is that they don't their junk together.

They never found a tenant for the steak house and they opening in time for the end of the season. It's called a lack of belief/effort/coordination on the part of the city. They still don't know how to turn it around with a marquee venue in town. Why isn't Booker more proactive? They could of built the two hotels and made a bid for a political convention and or piggybanked on the NYC olympic bid. Instead, we get shaken up by the City for police ot. If they knew what they were doing, they could grow their tax base instead of milking saltines from the suburbs.

Triangle Park was initially going to begin after the first season..The Devils fully admit that without an anchor tenant and lack of "credit" are two reasons they have not started the projects..The city of Newark is also going to be a part of this..they aren't exactly rolling in money right now either..Youre kidding yourself if you dont think this was economic decision based on the state of real estate and the economy..Not overextending your franchise is a VERY wise move at this point..

Which Casino's are faling to get developments plans under way? Borgata just finished a tower and there are two other major Casino projects going on for NEW properties in AC as well as a Massive overhaul of the Taj Mahal.

The Hotel projects were supposed to go up at the same time as the Arena. One was supposed to be a Boutique hotel and the other a major chain. Using the last two months economic news is just a poor excuse.

Wow..read the news. MGM backed out of their new plans..Saying the "economic climate" is not right at this time..

Wow..read the news. MGM backed out of their new plans..Saying the "economic climate" is not right at this time..

haha thank you, I knew I wasn't the only person on Earth that saw that ****.

haha thank you, I knew I wasn't the only person on Earth that saw that ****.

Too funny...

http://www.timesleader.com/business/Atlantic_City_projects_on_hold_11-21-2008.html

Wow..read the news. MGM backed out of their new plans..Saying the "economic climate" is not right at this time..


I just read that the Chelsea hotel was killed yesterday or the day before. However, the Newark arena is here and now and the plans for it i remember for the last few years. So, I guess the city will just keep taxing Devils fans and not look to build their downtown core to whenever "economic climate" is right which is an abstract concept and time period.

Somebody tell Booker to stop going to Vegas Retail conventions and trying to lure businesses downtown and to not look to take advantage of an opportunity that presents itself.

Too funny...

http://www.timesleader.com/business/Atlantic_City_projects_on_hold_11-21-2008.html

The Borgata announced their expansion plans and finished it and didn't use the economy as an excuse.

You can keep making excuses for the city, the fact is they don't have their s together. Comparing AC to Newark is just silly to begin with. I'm more concerned that the area around the arena will not see any significant improvement for a very long time.

They also have great timing on completing that commuter bridge to the rock. Lack of coordination on and effort on the part of the city. You can spin every which way and talk about how casinos that were planned on paper weren't executed. The fact is, the city knew as well as private developers that the arena WAS being built.

Too funny...

http://www.timesleader.com/business/Atlantic_City_projects_on_hold_11-21-2008.html

wow, go figure posted today.

I just read that the Chelsea hotel was killed yesterday or the day before. However, the Newark arena is here and now and the plans for it i remember for the last few years. So, I guess the city will just keep taxing Devils fans and not look to build their downtown core to whenever "economic climate" is right which is an abstract concept and time period.

Somebody tell Booker to stop going to Vegas Retail conventions and trying to lure businesses downtown and to not look to take advantage of an opportunity that presents itself.

Yes, the arena is here...restaurants are popping up slowly...So why spend hundreds of millions in a terrible economic climate for an unnecessary component right now????

Yes, the arena is here...restaurants are popping up slowly...So why spend hundreds of millions in a terrible economic climate for an unnecessary component right now????

because they promised!!!!!! :cry:



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Wow..read the news. MGM backed out of their new plans..Saying the "economic climate" is not right at this time..

Casinos are one of the textbook barometers of the economy. When times get slimmer, people dont have a few $1000 to risk tossing dice on a craps table.

As for projects I've been disappointed that they were killed (albeit for selfish reasons), #1 for me is the 2 to 4 (depending on initial success) world class golf courses they were going to build on and around the landfill property. Trump got involved, and they probably could have saved the deal if the economy wasnt such a mess right now. But the NYC area desperately craves public golf courses (2 of the 4 would have been public), and the plans looked amazing. Expensive.......but amazing.

Yes, the arena is here...restaurants are popping up slowly...So why spend hundreds of millions in a terrible economic climate for an unnecessary component right now????

How is it "unnecessary"? Using that logic, they shouldn't built the arena in the 1st. place. In terms of civic pride as well as EXPANDING a tax base. Not to mention, a hotel could attract a convention as well as overnight visitors as well as send a message that Newark is ready for business. So tell me, are you ok with the area around the arena? It's a mess and embarassing. How can it be a good thing for the arena that the area around remain that way. It's in the heart of the city and if it's going to be like that around the arena for the foresable future, you will see more tension between the Devils and the City.

Yes, there are restaurants and the arena is going to into season three in 2009. They are all banking on just more than hockey fans, they need housing and new type of residential clientale to last long term.

Booker was no fan of the arena and the project. He ate the turd sandwich and rah rahed it, since it has opened it's a positive for the city. The 1st. thing he does is ask the state to push a surcharge on the fans attending Prudential Center events. He has made it a disadvantage compared to MSG/Wachovia/Izod and other venues with higher ticket prices.

I'm just saying it's discernting to see a lack of progress on the part of the city. The excuse/facade of the lastest economic woes are quite a nice cover. I didn't see any improvement and or movement during the offseason. I love the rock and all, as a STH that's my only knock on the arena.

because they promised!!!!!! :cry:



:biglaugh:

We'll see how funny it is when the city asks the state to pass another law to increase ticket prices another 7% to shore up the budget.

We'll see how funny it is when the city asks the state to pass another law to increase ticket prices another 7% to shore up the budget.

It is what it is, it's not like they're not incurring somewhat of a financial burden to have us do this. It's still better than being in the Meadowlands.

It is what it is, it's not like they're not incurring somewhat of a financial burden to have us do this. It's still better than being in the Meadowlands.

My point is, they should look to take advantage of the arena and the area around it, not us fans because we are going to games. Alot of us spend money in the restaurants and bars after the games and prior to as well.

That's the original point, it's better than being at the Meadowlands. That much I agree with, I just don't like that the ticket increase wasn't passed by the city they made the state play bad cop. There is quite a bit of tension being developed between Vanderbeek and Booker.

How is it "unnecessary"? Using that logic, they shouldn't built the arena in the 1st. place. In terms of civic pride as well as EXPANDING a tax base. Not to mention, a hotel could attract a convention as well as overnight visitors as well as send a message that Newark is ready for business. So tell me, are you ok with the area around the arena? It's a mess and embarassing. How can it be a good thing for the arena that the area around remain that way. It's in the heart of the city and if it's going to be like that around the arena for the foresable future, you will see more tension between the Devils and the City.

Yes, there are restaurants and the arena is going to into season three in 2009. They are all banking on just more than hockey fans, they need housing and new type of residential clientale to last long term.

Booker was no fan of the arena and the project. He ate the turd sandwich and rah rahed it, since it has opened it's a positive for the city. The 1st. thing he does is ask the state to push a surcharge on the fans attending Prudential Center events. He has made it a disadvantage compared to MSG/Wachovia/Izod and other venues with higher ticket prices.

I'm just saying it's discernting to see a lack of progress on the part of the city. The excuse/facade of the lastest economic woes are quite a nice cover. I didn't see any improvement and or movement during the offseason.

Your logic is so flawed that I'm having difficult time keeping this discussion going..

1. The arena was built and funded in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT ECONOMIC CLIMATE
2. As a NJ resident, the last thing the city needs to do right now is spend money on a hotel and office space!! Oh yeah, and a nicer bridge for you to walk across???
3. I would not call the area around he arena embarrassing. I think that's wild overstatement
4. Did you really expect all of these things to happen in the first few years? Economic redevelopment, a change in residential clientele, etc

Even before the building was put up, the Devils estimated a 10 year turnaround for the area..

"I can't drink in the parking lot anymore and I'm gonna whine about it" Volume 558,587.

How many people were there tonight?

Anybody remember how many people were at that early season Isles game the last season at CAA? I think you could drop the 1 from in front and it was pretty close.


I went to a Devils-Islanders game when I was up in NJ in March 2006. The announced attendance was I think close to 10,000. I remember games in 06-2007 against the Islanders were the announced attendance was close to 8,000. The only Devils-Islanders game that actually drew a crowd was that Easter game in 07, the last regular season at the place and a game the Isles needed to win to make the playoffs.

You're probably a minor and arent yet allowed to drink, thats too bad, I have a better time with a few beers in me...you'll see in a few years when you're 21.

The best thing about being in a real city is you don't have to worry about fighting with parking lot traffic out of the game. So you can get as tanked as you want.

Your logic is so flawed that I'm having difficult time keeping this discussion going..

1. The arena was built and funded in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT ECONOMIC CLIMATE
2. As a NJ resident, the last thing the city needs to do right now is spend money on a hotel and office space!! Oh yeah, and a nicer bridge for you to walk across???
3. I would not call the area around he arena embarrassing. I think that's wild overstatement
4. Did you really expect all of these things to happen in the first few years? Economic redevelopment, a change in residential clientele, etc

Even before the building was put up, the Devils estimated a 10 year turnaround for the area..

What was the economic climate when they decided to build it? The talk of a bubble burst has been ongoing for the last four years. Booker would of killed the deal if he could and if Sharpe James didn't beat him six years ago, the arena is a no go. Sharpe James, no other reason was this arena built. That's just reality right there. Real Estate projects of this magnitude take into consideration Macro issues. Now, this project was built and James made it happen. Vanderbeek did also get in by his chiny chin chin and was supposed to build the one hotel and the city under James' guise allow that clause to be dropped.

If James wasn't a huge Devils fans, we would see the Devils out of the state and or making other plans. NJSEA basically paid the Devils during the lockout as well.

Booker said something like we don't rich NHLers playing in Newark, we need the money in our schools and it stands on the grounds of the renaissance mall that was torn down to build it.

Both sides have dropped the ball in certain aspects. I'm happy it's here, I just want to suceed beyond my imagination.

Still don't know why I need the blueprints to know that having a large mall and an arena operating at the same time, with two football stadiums across the street eating up parking, is going to cause a mess of biblical proportions.

What was the economic climate when they decided to build it? The talk of a bubble burst has been ongoing for the last four years. Booker would of killed the deal if he could and if Sharpe James didn't beat him six years ago, the arena is a no go. Sharpe James, no other reason was this arena built. That's just reality right there. Real Estate projects of this magnitude take into consideration Macro issues. Now, this project was built and James made it happen. Vanderbeek did also get in by his chiny chin chin and was supposed to build the one hotel and the city under James' guise allow that clause to be dropped.

If James wasn't a huge Devils fans, we would see the Devils out of the state and or making other plans. NJSEA basically paid the Devils during the lockout as well.

Booker said something like we don't rich NHLers playing in Newark, we need the money in our schools and it stands on the grounds of the renaissance mall that was torn down to build it.

When the arena was agreed to and financed, it was one of the greatest times in the history of real estate...I think you may need to recheck your facts..Groundbreaking was Oct 2005..that means financing was agreed to well before that...

My point is, they should look to take advantage of the arena and the area around it, not us fans because we are going to games. Alot of us spend money in the restaurants and bars after the games and prior to as well.

That's the original point, it's better than being at the Meadowlands. That much I agree with, I just don't like that the ticket increase wasn't passed by the city they made the state play bad cop. There is quite a bit of tension being developed between Vanderbeek and Booker.

First and foremost, Booker never ever wanted this arena and when you consider who made the negotiations to get it and where he is now, I think that plays into all of this as well. Mr. Booker, as someone who is CLEARLY trying to climb the political ladder into more prominent government roles is playing both sides but more importantly he's taken on this mindset that we have to concede to him because he made his concessions to let it happen to begin with.

Something that I also think plays into all of this is the politics as politics and nothing more. Mr. Booker has to continue to answer to people that didn't want the arena - for whatever reasons. Meanwhile he's gained a sense of entitlement to thinking that basically Vanderbeek and Co. are really just his proxy to pulling all the strings and that just about everything is on HIS terms. Not to mention the fact he's probably doing so because, at the end of the day HE wants the credit for the revitalization of Newark and not the Devils and by extension Sharpe James.

We think of it all as cut and dry, but really, it's not and never is. There is a great complexity to this situation because you have two ambitious parties trying to accomplish similar, but separate goals.

Still don't know why I need the blueprints to know that having a large mall and an arena operating at the same time, with two football stadiums across the street eating up parking, is going to cause a mess of biblical proportions.

No it's not going to cause a mess at all. That why the Giants almost sued to get Xanadu stop before putting it in the agreement that it is not to be opened on game days, and they retain the right to sue if there are traffic problems.

When the arena was agreed to and financed, it was one of the greatest times in the history of real estate...I think you may need to recheck your facts..Groundbreaking was Oct 2005..that means financing was agreed to well before that...

The City's end came from the PANYNJ and that was the easy part. CIT and Vanderbeek didn't have their share ponied up in time and or changed the terms (with the blessing of the James administration). It may of broke ground then (symbolically), but wasn't completed and or started in earnest until well into 07, with alot of things left to be finished as they went along.

I'm sure we all remember the stories of the lights outside not working in the word prudential as well as alot of the guts of the building. Ice quality, roof and other things were a problem behind the scenes.

No it's not going to cause a mess at all. That why the Giants almost sued to get Xanadu stop before putting it in the agreement that it is not to be opened on game days, and they retain the right to sue if there are traffic problems.

Not to mention the NJSEA ceding control of Giants Stadium to the Giants themselves.

The City's end came from the PANYNJ and that was the easy part. CIT and Vanderbeek didn't have their share ponied up in time and or changed the terms (with the blessing of the James administration). It may of broke ground then (symbolically), but wasn't completed and or started in earnest until well into 07, with alot of things left to be finished as they went along.

I'm sure we all remember the stories of the lights outside not working in the word prudential as well as alot of the guts of the building. Ice quality, roof and other things were a problem behind the scenes.

You are way off...the arena was almost completely enclosed before the start of 07..The Devils money was guaranteed in Jan 06

I went to tons of games at the meadowlands....it was close to where I live, all highways led to the place, and I loved the tailgating.

I have yet to go to the Rock, I know its a great place, but I dont have a train station near my house, so I would have to drive to Newark, or to a train station.
Call me old fashioned but they lost a live fan when they moved to Newark.
Plus its even more infested with Rags fans, being so close to the city.

Its about driving under the influence..............Newark is too far for me to drive from when I'm tanked

Hargsy, they moved from East Rutherford to Newark. It's only 8 miles away. It's not like they moved to New Brunswick.

All you have to do is stay on Route 17, get off onto Route 3 West and hop right onto Route 21 South. I live by the Meadowlands and I can see it now looking out my window. The move to Newark only added 15 minutes to my trip to see a Devils game (when I choose to drive).

And I worked in downtown Newark for 7 years (up until last year) and even during the mornng rush (when according to the Star Ledger: 1 million people are converging through Newark either by car, bus or train, I was still able to make it downtown in like 15-20 minutes, even with traffic, bad weather, etc.

It's really not that far from Southern Bergen where I live or from the rest of the County for that matter.

Don't you have any sense of loyalty towards the team you like? If it wasn't for the City of Newark, Jeffrey Vanderbeek and Sharpe James (yes, even Sharpe), this franchise would be in Las Vegas, Houston or Kansas City, or on their way there in the near future.

Don't you want live to see us dominate & b*tch-slap the NYR for a decade? Well, it will happen again, pehaps though for not for another 2 or 3 years at best as we seem to be the only team in the league to not master Lundqvist's pads.

It would not happen if it wasn't for Newark and you can't deny that.

Hargsy, they moved from East Rutherford to Newark. It's only 8 miles away. It's not like they moved to New Brunswick.

All you have to do is stay on Route 17, get off onto Route 3 West and hop right onto Route 21 South. I live by the Meadowlands and I can see it now looking out my window. The move to Newark only added 15 minutes to my trip to see a Devils game (when I choose to drive).

And I worked in downtown Newark for 7 years (up until last year) and even during the mornng rush (when according to the Star Ledger: 1 million people are converging through Newark either by car, bus or train, I was still able to make it downtown in like 15-20 minutes, even with traffic, bad weather, etc.

It's really not that far from Southern Bergen where I live or from the rest of the County for that matter.

Don't you have any sense of loyalty towards the team you like? If it wasn't for the City of Newark, Jeffrey Vanderbeek and Sharpe James (yes, even Sharpe), this franchise would be in Las Vegas, Houston or Kansas City, or on their way there in the near future.

Don't you want live to see us dominate & b*tch-slap the NYR for a decade? Well, it will happen again, pehaps though for not for another 2 or 3 years at best as we seem to be the only team in the league to not master Lundqvist's pads.

It would not happen if it wasn't for Newark and you can't deny that.
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I travel 1 1/2 to 2 hours by train to 15-20 home games a season, I really dont want to hear people complain that the arena is too far from there home in Bergen County.

Hargsy, they moved from East Rutherford to Newark. It's only 8 miles away. It's not like they moved to New Brunswick.

All you have to do is stay on Route 17, get off onto Route 3 West and hop right onto Route 21 South. I live by the Meadowlands and I can see it now looking out my window. The move to Newark only added 15 minutes to my trip to see a Devils game (when I choose to drive).

And I worked in downtown Newark for 7 years (up until last year) and even during the mornng rush (when according to the Star Ledger: 1 million people are converging through Newark either by car, bus or train, I was still able to make it downtown in like 15-20 minutes, even with traffic, bad weather, etc.

It's really not that far from Southern Bergen where I live or from the rest of the County for that matter.

Don't you have any sense of loyalty towards the team you like? If it wasn't for the City of Newark, Jeffrey Vanderbeek and Sharpe James (yes, even Sharpe), this franchise would be in Las Vegas, Houston or Kansas City, or on their way there in the near future.

Don't you want live to see us dominate & b*tch-slap the NYR for a decade? Well, it will happen again, pehaps though for not for another 2 or 3 years at best as we seem to be the only team in the league to not master Lundqvist's pads.

It would not happen if it wasn't for Newark and you can't deny that.

Good points. We definitely can't lose sight of the fact that Newark saved hockey in New Jersey. I certainly recognize that. We couldn't survive at the outdated Meadowlands Arena with the lease we had, we were losing to much money. But one can't help but think what a Meadowlands would be like with a new stadium, The Rock, the race track, and no Xanadu. Sounds pretty cool. I know we got a sweetheart real estate deal with the city of Newark but the acres of swampland at the Meadowlands isn't exactly prime real estate either. We could have had the premiere sports complex in the country sporting two beautiful brand new facilities. Not to mention The Rock in the Meadowlands would get every single concert imaginable. Brand new building at the same location that place would be booked every day of the damn year, talk about making a profit wow. That's like combining all the shows at the Izod Center and Prudential Center and putting them into only one building. $$$

The Rock ended up being built in Newark and it's worked out pretty well all things considered. I know personally I've been there a bunch of times and each time I've had a blast. I never had a safety or security issue and traffic flows even better then it did in and around the Meadowlands. There is really no reason to not check out The Rock in Newark, it's great. That being the case we should all get out there to a game and help support NJ's only team.

Hargsy, they moved from East Rutherford to Newark. It's only 8 miles away. It's not like they moved to New Brunswick.

All you have to do is stay on Route 17, get off onto Route 3 West and hop right onto Route 21 South. I live by the Meadowlands and I can see it now looking out my window. The move to Newark only added 15 minutes to my trip to see a Devils game (when I choose to drive).

And I worked in downtown Newark for 7 years (up until last year) and even during the mornng rush (when according to the Star Ledger: 1 million people are converging through Newark either by car, bus or train, I was still able to make it downtown in like 15-20 minutes, even with traffic, bad weather, etc.

It's really not that far from Southern Bergen where I live or from the rest of the County for that matter.

Don't you have any sense of loyalty towards the team you like? If it wasn't for the City of Newark, Jeffrey Vanderbeek and Sharpe James (yes, even Sharpe), this franchise would be in Las Vegas, Houston or Kansas City, or on their way there in the near future.

Don't you want live to see us dominate & b*tch-slap the NYR for a decade? Well, it will happen again, pehaps though for not for another 2 or 3 years at best as we seem to be the only team in the league to not master Lundqvist's pads.

It would not happen if it wasn't for Newark and you can't deny that.

Everyone on this board is totally over-reacting....as I never said the move to Newark was bad for the team, or many many fans of the Devils. It is just the reason I dont go to games any more. One fan out of thousands, whats the big deal. I have followed the Devils since the 80's, and even have a Devil tatoo on my arm, how much more loyal can you get. And although I am not an alcoholic, I do like to have a few beers at the game......and even if I take a train....I have to drive to and from the train station. If I lived in Newark, or Manhattan I would probably have season tickets, but I dont live there. Now I'm not gonna get into a ping pong match of insults with you guys over this. Let it Be

Everyone on this board is totally over-reacting....as I never said the move to Newark was bad for the team, or many many fans of the Devils. It is just the reason I dont go to games any more. One fan out of thousands, whats the big deal. I have followed the Devils since the 80's, and even have a Devil tatoo on my arm, how much more loyal can you get. And although I am not an alcoholic, I do like to have a few beers at the game......and even if I take a train....I have to drive to and from the train station. If I lived in Newark, or Manhattan I would probably have season tickets, but I dont live there. Now I'm not gonna get into a ping pong match of insults with you guys over this. Let it Be

I wasn't insulting you.

My point: If you already were driving to Devils games at the CAA, then why can't you continue do the same exact thing and just drive the 8 extra miles to Newark?

I wasn't insulting you.

My point: If you already were driving to Devils games at the CAA, then why can't you continue do the same exact thing and just drive the 8 extra miles to Newark?

Muttley, I know you werent insulting me....but if you look at the responses when I said I cant drive home from Newark tanked, people exploded as if I was a raging alcoholic that drives 100 mph with a bottle of Jack Daniels in one hand and the other on the wheel. When I was younger, many people would drive after having a few drinks (at a game or bar), nowadays just drinking a few beers is AGAINST THE LAW, so I'd rather not chance it. Newark is a bit farther, and I am a bit older, so its just easier to watch the games from home, and support my team here.

Muttley, I know you werent insulting me....but if you look at the responses when I said I cant drive home from Newark tanked, people exploded as if I was a raging alcoholic that drives 100 mph with a bottle of Jack Daniels in one hand and the other on the wheel. When I was younger, many people would drive after having a few drinks (at a game or bar), nowadays just drinking a few beers is AGAINST THE LAW, so I'd rather not chance it. Newark is a bit farther, and I am a bit older, so its just easier to watch the games from home, and support my team here.

just the thought of that, along with you probably screaming lets go devils, is a really funny image :laugh:

just the thought of that, along with you probably screaming lets go devils, is a really funny image :laugh:

I could pump up a crowd in my day, let me tell ya.
Back in the 90's I used to buy rows of tickets for Devs vs Rags and make sure only Devs fans would sit in those seats.....even if I had to give the tickets away for free, rather than charging a Rags fan. Now you cant even buy tickets like that for thoses games. Any way...move along people, nothing to see here!!!

The Rock in the Meadowlands would get every single concert imaginable. Brand new building at the same location that place would be booked every day of the damn year, talk about making a profit wow. That's like combining all the shows at the Izod Center and Prudential Center and putting them into only one building. $$$


Anddddd yourrrrrr logic here is becauseeeeee? Why?

So tell me, are you ok with the area around the arena? It's a mess and embarassing. How can it be a good thing for the arena that the area around remain that way. It's in the heart of the city and if it's going to be like that around the arena for the foresable future, you will see more tension between the Devils and the City.

Yes, there are restaurants and the arena is going to into season three in 2009. They are all banking on just more than hockey fans, they need housing and new type of residential clientale to last long term.


I'm just saying it's discernting to see a lack of progress on the part of the city. The excuse/facade of the lastest economic woes are quite a nice cover. I didn't see any improvement and or movement during the offseason. I love the rock and all, as a STH that's my only knock on the arena.

1)Immediate area is no worse than Verizon Center several years back. And Soverign Bank arena isn't in an oasis last I checked.

2)Litigation, among other things, has held the projects you speak of back. I'm annoyed by it to. But they have torn down several buildings in the past year. A building on Market Street by Broad is being turned into dorms for SHU law students

3) OT, but is it just me, or Devils fans seem to find every excuse in the book not to go to games?

The question is moot, because the Devils would never have been able to get the money they needed to build the Rock in the Meadowlands.

Getting to the Rock is no more difficult than getting to the Meadowlands, especially with the improved mass transit system. Devils fans need to stop making excuses about why they can't get to games. The only legitimate gripe we have left is the ticket prices.

i was at first a little nervous about going into newark to see devils games. but since then ive been to the rock three times, two games and the draft party over the summer which was a blast. the only complaint i have is i wish they would get softer rolls to put the premio on. ethier that or i need to find another premio stand.

The question is moot, because the Devils would never have been able to get the money they needed to build the Rock in the Meadowlands.

Getting to the Rock is no more difficult than getting to the Meadowlands, especially with the improved mass transit system. Devils fans need to stop making excuses about why they can't get to games. The only legitimate gripe we have left is the ticket prices.

Even THAT really isnt much of a gripe, because IMO the UL is priced quite reasonably. If for some reason you refuse to sit anywhere but LL, then perhaps gripes are warranted.

Even THAT really isnt much of a gripe, because IMO the UL is priced quite reasonably. If for some reason you refuse to sit anywhere but LL, then perhaps gripes are warranted.

There are only 3,500 or so upper level seats. That leaves over 14,000 seats priced at $65 or up at face value. Pretty ridiculous for what is basically the third team in the market for a niche sport. That's why there are plenty of weekday games where the upper level is pretty full and the balcony, mezzanine and lower levels look like a Marlins game. Ticket prices are a very legitimate gripe with this team. Devils tickets are priced like they are in a Canadian market even though they play in Newark. It's a travesty.

I have full season tickets that I split and I made it 25 games or so last year and about 6-7 so far this year, so I support the team. That said it is a tremendous financial commitment and my seats aren't even that great at $95 (with the STH discount works out to $68 a ticket). Most people are not going to pony up that money over the course of the season and the $95 face is completely prohibitive to anyone who wants to walk up to the arena and purchase seats. I've been to the box office plenty of times and have seen people leave when they're told the only seats available are $100 or $95.

I think Devil tickets come down in price big time next year, even if they somehow win a cup. The cap may come down next season and ticket prices better as well.

There are only 3,500 or so upper level seats. That leaves over 14,000 seats priced at $65 or up at face value. Pretty ridiculous for what is basically the third team in the market for a niche sport. That's why there are plenty of weekday games where the upper level is pretty full and the balcony, mezzanine and lower levels look like a Marlins game. Ticket prices are a very legitimate gripe with this team. Devils tickets are priced like they are in a Canadian market even though they play in Newark. It's a travesty.

I have full season tickets that I split and I made it 25 games or so last year and about 6-7 so far this year, so I support the team. That said it is a tremendous financial commitment and my seats aren't even that great at $95 (with the STH discount works out to $68 a ticket). Most people are not going to pony up that money over the course of the season and the $95 face is completely prohibitive to anyone who wants to walk up to the arena and purchase seats. I've been to the box office plenty of times and have seen people leave when they're told the only seats available are $100 or $95.

I think Devil tickets come down in price big time next year, even if they somehow win a cup. The cap may come down next season and ticket prices better as well.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that's funny. Ticket prices coming down next year. That's a good one!

the only complaint i have is i wish they would get softer rolls to put the premio on. ethier that or i need to find another premio stand.

1. The only legitimate gripe ^^^^

2. Arena aside, Booker>>>>>>>>>>James.

3. I miss tailgating, and getting drunk and yelling in the parking lots. But now I can get drunk and yell on the smoking balcony. Plus I feel like a baller when I drop $7 on a Miller Lite. That's more expensive than Manhattan prices. Ergo, Newark balls harder than Manhattan. Double-ergo, the Devils ball harder than the Rangers.

4. I like that I can buy a hand-rolled cigar at our hockey rink.

5. The commute from Brick a *****. I done that. But try being the only d-bag with a Devils jersey coming from mid-Brooklyn on the L then getting on the PATH train at rush hour. At least it's only like $6 round trip.

6. Don't drink and drive, it's stupid always. I had a good friend die doing that, years ago. If I even have a sip of beer I'm so shaken up that I won't drive. **** like that scares you.

I didn't see this mentioned...

But since the "Xanadu" catastrophe is in Bergen County and it's a "mall", wouldn't it be closed on Sunday's anyway? That means it wouldn't interfere with football, which means you can still tailgate.

I didn't see this mentioned...

But since the "Xanadu" catastrophe is in Bergen County and it's a "mall", wouldn't it be closed on Sunday's anyway? That means it wouldn't interfere with football, which means you can still tailgate.

The restaurants/lesiure activities would still be open. But the Giants, I believe, got assurances everything would be closed.

Anddddd yourrrrrr logic here is becauseeeeee? Why?

He knows nothing about business. They don't care if they building is 400 years old, it's how many seats for how much and who is your booking agent.

Even MSG goes dark sometimes....

I have full season tickets that I split and I made it 25 games or so last year and about 6-7 so far this year, so I support the team. That said it is a tremendous financial commitment and my seats aren't even that great at $95 (with the STH discount works out to $68 a ticket). Most people are not going to pony up that money over the course of the season and the $95 face is completely prohibitive to anyone who wants to walk up to the arena and purchase seats. I've been to the box office plenty of times and have seen people leave when they're told the only seats available are $100 or $95.

I think Devil tickets come down in price big time next year, even if they somehow win a cup. The cap may come down next season and ticket prices better as well.

Your points are all valid (other than the prices coming down). I just meant that if you're a casual fan you CAN at least get a cheapish pair of UL seats, but obviously I agree that as a whole the arena is terribly mispriced/overpriced.



5. The commute from Brick a *****. I done that. But try being the only d-bag with a Devils jersey coming from mid-Brooklyn on the L then getting on the PATH train at rush hour. At least it's only like $6 round trip.

This is the worst part of coming back from Devils/Rangers games. Outnumbered 15 to 1 by belligerent drunk idiot Ranger fans being obnoxious.

Also, lots of times Devils and Rangers are home on same night and I'll be walking though NY Penn Station on the way to the game (to catch NJTRANSIT) in a Devils jersey, and I love all of the "how dare you" looks I get. Priceless.

Whether or not it was a mistake to build The Rock in Newark remains to be seen. So far it seems to have worked out well. They are ranked #10 on the Forbes list of the most profitable hockey franchise and attendance has gone up. But once the novelty of the new building wears off what is going to happen? I'm just worried how attendance could be effected at a ten year old building with a suspect surrounding area? I mean what if the surrounding areas don't get redeveloped or dare I say get worse? For the short term it seems like hockey in Newark has been a success. But what about long term?

As for the Meadowlands the NJSEA ran that place into the ground and it's really a shame. New Jersey could have been the home to the premiere sports and entertainment complex in the country and possibly the world. If they chose to keep the Devils and build them and the Nets a new arena we would be talking about a complex with two brand new state or the art facilities plus a racetrack. But the NJSEA had to get greedy and as a result teams are fleeing. This whole Xanadu project is going to be one on the biggest failures in the history of New Jersey. I still don't understand the concept of putting an indoor ski slope and a mall in the middle of nowhere. There is simply no demand and no interest for it. What a waste of money. Losing the Devils and Seton Hall must have cost them a fortune. That's sixty something dates those team teams filled. The Rock has started to take some of the concert and family show revenue away from the Meadowlands. If the NJSEA keeps the Devils, Seton Hall stays and they get ALL the concerts and family shows. What happens once the Nets leave? No anchor tenant for the Izod Center. Another forty less dates for the Meadowlands. Who is running the NJSEA? Don't they see a problem here? And finally in a couple of years they will be losing more revenue when the RedBulls leave. What's going to be left? Two NEW YORK teams playing in a football stadium that the NJSEA doesn't even own. Pathetic.

If NJDevils16W ran the NJSEA I would have made sure the Devils stayed. I would have laughed at that Xanadu project and used that space to build The Rock. Of course it would cost a lot of money but you have to spend money to make money and having a complex like I envision would have brought in cash like they have never seen before. The Izod Center would be demolished for more parking spaces. That would have kept the Devils, Nets, and Seton Hall pirates as well as every single family show and concert in house. No splitting the shows between Newark and East Rutherford. Somehow I'm sure they could have persuaded the RedBull to stay. Why spend all that money for a new stadium in Harrison when they are building one at the Meadowlands? Work out a new lease and keep the RedBull. This is what could have been. A Meadowlands with the Prudential Center, a New Giants Stadium, a race track, and an NHL, NBA, college basketball, NFL and a soccer team. Not to mention every family show and concert that comes to the area.

RIP THE MEADOWLANDS

He knows nothing about business. They don't care if they building is 400 years old, it's how many seats for how much and who is your booking agent.

Even MSG goes dark sometimes....

You still don't seem to be making any sense and still aren't posting anything factual. Anybody can say this guy or the other guy doesn't know what he's talking about and blah blah blah but nobody is going to take you serious unless you back it up with facts. Why waste your time with these posts that have no purpose and meaning? I guess you are saying I don't know anything about business which may be true but the same can be said for you. And if you do you sure haven't convinced me or anyone else on this board. With all due respect you sound like an immature crybaby that likes personally attacking people that you disagree with. Grow up.

You still don't seem to be making any sense and still aren't posting anything factual. Anybody can say this guy or the other guy doesn't know what he's talking about and blah blah blah but nobody is going to take you serious unless you back it up with facts. Why waste your time with these posts that have no purpose and meaning? I guess you are saying I don't know anything about business which may be true but the same can be said for you. And if you do you sure haven't convinced me or anyone else on this board. With all due respect you sound like an immature crybaby that likes personally attacking people that you disagree with. Grow up.

Take your own advice. Do you think anyone in this thread is taking you seriously?

The Meadowlands is not MSG, and there is nothing that the NJSEA could do that would make it what you envision it could be. It's a failed experiment. They are losing tenants for a reason. Just move on. And maybe if half your posts here weren't threatening other posters, I'd take a different tact. I actually thought it was kinda funny at first.

I'm kicking myself out of this thread now.

1. The only legitimate gripe ^^^^

2. Arena aside, Booker>>>>>>>>>>James.

3. I miss tailgating, and getting drunk and yelling in the parking lots. But now I can get drunk and yell on the smoking balcony. Plus I feel like a baller when I drop $7 on a Miller Lite. That's more expensive than Manhattan prices. Ergo, Newark balls harder than Manhattan. Double-ergo, the Devils ball harder than the Rangers.

4. I like that I can buy a hand-rolled cigar at our hockey rink.

5. The commute from Brick a *****. I done that. But try being the only d-bag with a Devils jersey coming from mid-Brooklyn on the L then getting on the PATH train at rush hour. At least it's only like $6 round trip.

6. Don't drink and drive, it's stupid always. I had a good friend die doing that, years ago. If I even have a sip of beer I'm so shaken up that I won't drive. **** like that scares you.

How are they? I've yet to try them, and they're quite pricey from what I recall.

Take your own advice. Do you think anyone in this thread is taking you seriously?

The Meadowlands is not MSG, and there is nothing that the NJSEA could do that would make it what you envision it could be. It's a failed experiment. They are losing tenants for a reason. Just move on. And maybe if half your posts here weren't threatening other posters, I'd take a different tact. I actually thought it was kinda funny at first.

I'm kicking myself out of this thread now.

You should kick yourself right off this board while you're at it because you certainly don't contribute to it. All you do is post hog wash and insults. Your posts are all meaningless opinions. Me? I'm not claiming to know it all. I asked a question and then posted a theory and you got all crazy accusing me of hating the Devils and The Rock. That's crazy. I have my opinions as well but for the most part I back them up with facts. You come on here firing away with opinions that absolutely make no sense. Case in point I write a three paragraph post explaining what my theory is and your reply is a one line "MSG isn't the meadowlands." I'm REALLY confused by that one care to explain that just a little? Also, you can't go one post without attacking me and I've never done a thing to you. The list goes on now it's nobody takes me seriously? This thread as 111 posts and over 1400 views. You seem to be the only one that has a problem and it's probably because you don't agree with it. The other posters who disagree stated why not just said "oh he has no business sense." And I respect there opinions because they have reasons BEHIND them. A friendly piece of advice when you post, HAVE A POINT! Again I enjoy this board so I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you and get banned. But you really need to read some of the stuff you post before hitting that button.

How are they? I've yet to try them, and they're quite pricey from what I recall.

I get one for my brother every once in awhile and he loves them. He gets the longer ones and they're $20.

I went to tons of games at the meadowlands....it was close to where I live, all highways led to the place, and I loved the tailgating.

I have yet to go to the Rock, I know its a great place, but I dont have a train station near my house, so I would have to drive to Newark, or to a train station.
Call me old fashioned but they lost a live fan when they moved to Newark.
Plus its even more infested with Rags fans, being so close to the city.

East Rutherford is actually closer to NYC. But yes Newark is easier to get to for the majority of fans in the NJ/NYC area. You can take a train, a bus or drive to Newark and there is plenty of parking available. Real fans follow their team the extra 7 miles, fake fans don't.

i havent read this whole thread, but im glad the new digs are in newark. its so much easier for me to get to games and cheaper too. driving in from long island is a nugget of lovliness in its own right, and id almost always ALMOST get into accidents. just so much frustration. now that its at newark, i hop on 2 trains and im there. its also better/easier for the isles fans who wanna see the devs/isles games. also, in a couple years when newark is all fixed up and has more and more local eateries/stores/pubs itll be THE place to be before devs gamenight. its already sorta that way. i look forward to knowing its game day and taking the trains out and having a nice dinner at some local place then walking a few blocks to that big fancy red building to watch the devs put a smile on my face....unless they lose and ill curse everyone of them.

How are they? I've yet to try them, and they're quite pricey from what I recall.

I started talking to one of the girls once before I went with my friends to our seats. I was quoted at $10, but probably because I'm good looking, so take it for what it's worth. :sarcasm:

As much as I cherish the awesome memories we have at the CAA, its a dump, the area sucks, the drive sucks, the ushers suck, there are no restaurants, no bars, no nothing. The NJSEA blows.
Newark is one of the best things to happen to this franchise, we have the best arena in hockey. I really cant believe this thread exists.

As much as I cherish the awesome memories we have at the CAA, its a dump, the area sucks, the drive sucks, the ushers suck, there are no restaurants, no bars, no nothing. The NJSEA blows.
Newark is one of the best things to happen to this franchise, we have the best arena in hockey. I really cant believe this thread exists.

Just remember...no matter what the Devils do..some people are going to whine and complain..They give away free food in the lounges and I hear people whining that "there aren't enough cookies..waah...there arent enough tables...waaahhh....why arent the beers free too...WAAAAAAAHHHHH"..People LOVE to whine...it overtook baseball as our national pastime..

WE have the nicest arena in the NHL! I would much rather drive to a swamp with no restaurants, no bars, no fun..with a roof that is slightly higher than Mt Everest..and then not be able to move in between periods during a playoff game because the corridors are so packed and then go to the Winners lounge and have to wait behind 100 other people to get the attention of the two bartenders that are on on staff...Don't forget about waiting on 10 minute lines to get in and out of the bathroom while everyone tries to sneak in the out door..HOLY Crap! Shut up and start enjoying the nicest arena in the NHL!!!

....it would sink.

The whole reason this thread started is because the call to arms guy doesnt like how many Rangers fans go to our games when we play them, he obviously does not remember the CAA.
Get over it, the Devils have to start beating to Rangers if we want to trim the ranks.

The whole reason this thread started is because the call to arms guy doesnt like how many Rangers fans go to our games when we play them, he obviously does not remember the CAA.
Get over it, the Devils have to start beating to Rangers if we want to trim the ranks.

:nod: If I knew we would beat them every single game, I would go to the garden all the time for games, so you can't really blame them.

:nod: If I knew we would beat them every single game, I would go to the garden all the time for games, so you can't really blame them.

Bingo... besides, we invaded their house quite often up until the tables turned...

Anyone remember the 2006 Sweep? When the whole place was going: "Let's go Devils!". I'm sure those bums in the blue seats liked that one.

Times change, but if the Devils want to shut up the Raggots in the building, then they need to beat them and give us something to shut them up with. That's the bottom line.

How are they? I've yet to try them, and they're quite pricey from what I recall.

I haven't tried them either, but the fact that they exist is pretty rad/funny.

As much as I cherish the awesome memories we have at the CAA, its a dump, the area sucks, the drive sucks, the ushers suck, there are no restaurants, no bars, no nothing. The NJSEA blows.
Newark is one of the best things to happen to this franchise, we have the best arena in hockey. I really cant believe this thread exists.

It exists because all the poster does here is troll (which you can see by examining his post history). The OP in this thread is designed to get people feuding, and it worked. I, too, am officially out of this thread. If you dont "feed" a troll, they go away.

I wish that the Izod center gets hit with a meteorite. Dammit, that doesn't sound grammatically stable.

Someone with knowledge of the old queens' english help me out.

I wish that the Izod center would get hit with a meteorite.

*fixed*

Just remember...no matter what the Devils do..some people are going to whine and complain..They give away free food in the lounges and I hear people whining that "there aren't enough cookies..waah...there arent enough tables...waaahhh....why arent the beers free too...WAAAAAAAHHHHH"..People LOVE to whine...it overtook baseball as our national pastime..

WE have the nicest arena in the NHL! I would much rather drive to a swamp with no restaurants, no bars, no fun..with a roof that is slightly higher than Mt Everest..and then not be able to move in between periods during a playoff game because the corridors are so packed and then go to the Winners lounge and have to wait behind 100 other people to get the attention of the two bartenders that are on on staff...Don't forget about waiting on 10 minute lines to get in and out of the bathroom while everyone tries to sneak in the out door..HOLY Crap! Shut up and start enjoying the nicest arena in the NHL!!!

No offense, but this post is silly. First of all the Devils DON'T give away free food in the Lounges. It's a ridiculous sentiment. And.....

WHEN YOU PAY $250 ticket (if you have 4 seats/game..you do the math), you have every right to complain about the cornerstone food item being taken away (the carving station) as the ticket price went up, and replaced with junk food. People pay that much for a ticket, they want somewhere to sit. Those huge circular tables take up way too much space and you could put in several more tables in its place. That's just simple design and convenience.

No one is complaining about paying for booze. But the food/space is a legitimate complaint, given the promises, marketing, and ticket increases this season.

This thread fails on all counts

It exists because all the poster does here is troll (which you can see by examining his post history). The OP in this thread is designed to get people feuding, and it worked. I, too, am officially out of this thread. If you dont "feed" a troll, they go away.

BendictGomez and Aguyincognito might as well be the same person. Enough is enough with these insults and personal attacks. If you disagree with someone either don't respond or explain why, it should be a board policy. That's what I do now, I see plenty of silly threads and instead of just name calling I ignore it or take the time to write a professional/intelligent post explaining why I think it's silly. I'm a troll now lol that's original. Listen Gomez it's really easy to sit back and call somebody a troll when you disagree with them but it's another thing to actually explain why you disagree with the person. He's a troll I'm a troll yeah anybody can say that. Talking about feeding a troll you seem to respond to every one of my damn posts and actually keep track of everything I say. I'm starting to get scared. How about this? Take your own advice and don't respond to me. You are telling everyone not to respond to me meanwhile you're the first one blabbing away about how I'm trying to start a feud simply because I asked a question. I'm trying to hold back here so get this through your thick head just because I asked if it was a good idea to build The Rock in Newark doesn't mean I 1. hate the Devils, 2. hate The Rock, or 3 want to start a feud. It's simply a question that's all so you can lower your guard and refrain from your scary troll comments and save them for some rangers fan. Got it? Thanks.

This thread fails on all counts


Care to explain why? These one liners are killing me.

This thread fails on all counts

Yeah because he hasn't mentioned my name in a post yet! ;)

Yeah because he hasn't mentioned my name in a post yet! ;)


I know you tried CJ but you just couldn't hold back from responding to one of my posts and throwing a shot at me. Here is an A for effort kido. Somehow I think you are disappointed I didn't mention your name. Why post this?

I know you tried CJ but you just couldn't hold back from responding to one of my posts and throwing a shot at me. Here is an A for effort kido. Somehow I think you are disappointed I didn't mention your name. Why post this?

I actually didn't respond to you. I haven't responded to you in this thread until now.

And you just can't resist responding back to me, can you? I chimed in because I can. This is an internet forum where I can say whatever it is I want. I didn't realize I needed your permission to post in here. Next time I will ask if I can post here before I do!! :shakehead

Care to explain why? These one liners are killing me.

Because only a ****ing retard would want to go back to the Meadowlands.
Anything else?

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end