Gamble; trade now or at deadline

Question;

Do we trade for a goalie or a D now? Someone like Khabibulin or do we sit tight, being in eigth place, wait for Holik, Rolston and Greene to come back. We will drastically improve when those three come back, Plus it seams like my favorite Euro player, Elias, is finally playing like him self again, which is scary if he keeps improving.

Alot of the fans I speak with want them to upgrade the goalie position however I want to know whaT you all think.

I think that with Elias scoring again, combined with Rolston, Holik, and Greene on the horizon, they might be able to hold a playoff spot down until marty comes back.

Its a gamble; do you think this team as is can make the playoffs or hold a playoff spot till the injuries come back, OR do you trade for a goalie or a D now and risk not having any cap room to deal at the deadline.

They need help. On all fronts.

The immediate upside, 4 games vs struggling teams. Both teams in florida blow and the Islanders well, are the islanders.

They should trade right now with Calgary or Dallas. If they can't get a pivot or a bonafide stud defensemen, I say treat the return of Holik, Rolston and Greene as trades.

If they do trade, I hope it's an underachieving surplus winger or two for futures and cap space.

If we can't make the playoffs with this injury-riddled roster we're not good enough to win the cup, so we might as well take the higher draft pick.

Best to wait.

Wait.

Other teams will have needs closer to the deadline were we might be able to get something more worthwhile out of it.

id like to see what havlat could do with his buddy and rolston when hes back.
goalie-i dunno, whatever
defense-no idea
i want lou to finally address what hes been putting off for years on the back end, also stop with the dumb contracts, address the offense and adapt the team concept to the new nhl. a good draft pick would be an awesome bonus too. as much as i want the team to succeed every year, i really want it to be a LEGITIMATE threat every year.

Wow a package for Havlat (assuming he stays healthy) and Bulin, would be scary good, but could they afford that?

i dont agree with getting khabi at all. but havlat would be interesting IF he can keep healthy. hes much more suited to pattys game style than gionta is. those wonky behind the back passes to nobody would probably start working again and having 2 equally creative wingers is better than having just one out there trying to carry the line. i think an elias/rollie/havlat line would be pretty darn exciting.

id like to see what havlat could do with his buddy and rolston when hes back.
goalie-i dunno, whatever
defense-no idea
i want lou to finally address what hes been putting off for years on the back end, also stop with the dumb contracts, address the offense and adapt the team concept to the new nhl. a good draft pick would be an awesome bonus too. as much as i want the team to succeed every year, i really want it to be a LEGITIMATE threat every year.

How does adding a 30 goal scorer not address the offence. Lou can't control injuries or make them play 110% every night.

Wow a package for Havlat (assuming he stays healthy) and Bulin, would be scary good, but could they afford that?

We don't have what it takes or the cap space to acquire a player like Havlat... and I don't want to give up youth (Corrente, Burlon, Tedenby, 1st round pick, etc.) for a guy that has all the talent in the world for about 24 games before he sneezes and pops a vein that will put him out of action for the next 2 and a half months.

AND NO, GIONTA ISN'T GETTING US HAVLAT :shakehead

How does adding a 30 goal scorer not address the offence. Lou can't control injuries or make them play 110% every night.

i didnt say adding rolston DIDNT improve the offense, he does. but this current roster(with injuries), paired with sutter bonerism for clarkson put in every offensive oppotunity he can find makes for a pretty weak threat. sure they break out from time to time but id rather see a more talented player than langs with parise/zajac and a player more suited to elias game along with rolston.


AND NO, GIONTA ISN'T GETTING US HAVLAT :shakehead

no ****, nobody said that.

How does adding a 30 goal scorer not address the offence. Lou can't control injuries or make them play 110% every night.


Havlat and Elias played together in czeck and they are supposed to be really good friends.. we all remember when he played with his pal Sykora...
I know i get ripped on for my bashing they Euro style of game, but i feel they would be a good fit.

We don't have what it takes or the cap space to acquire a player like Havlat... and I don't want to give up youth (Corrente, Burlon, Tedenby, 1st round pick, etc.) for a guy that has all the talent in the world for about 24 games before he sneezes and pops a vein that will put him out of action for the next 2 and a half months.

AND NO, GIONTA ISN'T GETTING US HAVLAT :shakehead

No *** sherlock.... but Gionta, a Pick and a D would, think package deal, i am throwing the bigger name out there to make a point, what GM in thier right mind would trade Havlat for Gio straight up, Gointa will be tough to move because he is a ufa at the end of this year. but Gionta, Bergfors and a pick, that might get get a team thinking, and no, I am not saying it has to be Gionta, but they could make a decent trade,


THE CUP WINDOW is closing and Lou must see that, when broduer goes, so come the dark times. Make moves now, sacrifice the years of 2012-1025 and get a cup in 09, 10, or 11

no ****, nobody said that.

Well then how are you getting Havlat ?!?!? Heck, i'd like to see Ryan Getzlaf in a Devils uniform but we don't have the assets to acquire a impact player or fit his salary under the cap.

Our only bargaining chip is Gionta (according to most people on this board) and he won't get us much. So, if you do want to acquire a Elite player that has a big contract, you gotta give either youth or a player that has the same skills and the same contract to even things out.

No *** sherlock.... but Gionta, a Pick and a D would, think package deal, i am throwing the bigger name out there to make a point, what GM in thier right mind would trade Havlat for Gio straight up, Gointa will be tough to move because he is a ufa at the end of this year. but Gionta, Bergfors and a pick, that might get get a team thinking, and no, I am not saying it has to be Gionta, but they could make a decent trade,


THE CUP WINDOW is closing and Lou must see that, when broduer goes, so come the dark times. Make moves now, sacrifice the years of 2012-1025 and get a cup in 09, 10, or 11

Did you check out Chicago's depth chart lately ?!?!? They have a surplus of RW'ers and our crappy d-men wouldn't add any kind of value to this trade offer.

Did you check out Chicago's depth chart lately ?!?!? They have a surplus of RW'ers and our crappy d-men wouldn't add any kind of value to this trade offer.

You are missing the point, but ok. I can see your salty about this topic.

Season is still young

Let's get fairly healthy first, see how we play, and judge by that

You are missing the point, but ok. I can see your salty about this topic.

Here's my answer to your question... Yes, we need a puck moving d-men now, at the deadline or this summer. I don't care when but it has to be before the start of next season.

For this season, I say you ride the ship and let the chips fall where they may.

Season is still young

Let's get fairly healthy first, see how we play, and judge by thatExactly i still think Weekes can get on a roll in net too.

Exactly i still think Weekes can get on a roll in net too.


not if sutter keeps playing the AHLer Clemmensen

What about a trade with the Senators....they have some good offensive talent, yet they have struggled for a while, maybe they need a change like some of our players do.

i might get hell for saying this, but Gionta, Green ( if healthy) and bergfors would get some attention... especially for a team that needs a RW,

I would offer greene if he didnt get hurt, he is a young D with a good upside, I would maybe offer oduya but he is a UFA

not if sutter keeps playing the AHLer ClemmensenIm sure Weekes will get another shot.

Im sure Weekes will get another shot.


i hope he gets 80 percent of the starts, if we dont get a goalie... clemmenson should not be in net at all. there is a reason why he couldnt make the leafs last year

To trade one must have something to trade. Who do the Devils have to trade? Gionta, are you kidding me he would bring a roll of toilet paper. The only offensive players that any team would want are Zajac, Praise and Elias. So get the best goalie and lose because of no goals being scored by the Devils. The Devils are in a lose lose situation because Marty is out created by Lou Lamerillo, no he couldn't protect Marty from getting hurt but the lack of talent on this team is on Lou's plate.

Season is still young

Let's get fairly healthy first, see how we play, and judge by that
Bingo. I'm not going to judge this team until we get two of Rolston, Holik, and Greene back.

Im sure Weekes will get another shot.
He'll play at least one game this weekend, there's no way Clemmensen goes 3 in 4 nights.

This is easy. Lou knows what he needs my guess he will stay with that he has unless something falls in his lap and is a steal. Thats Lou he might have the feelers out there with that he wants and is looking for.

Lou is a great GM look at the trade last year what a steal. He will stay with what he has and wait till something comes along if not he will stay and let Gio walk at the end of the year.

We are essentially the same team right now as last season aside from not having Marty in net. When Rolston and Holik come back healthy, it will make our team better the same way it made us better when they were signed in the offseason.

Weekes was a starting Goalie for a Carolina Cup Final Team. Granted the team he had in front of him was better then the team we have in front of him, he is not a bad goaltender at all. He is a border line starting goalie at worst.

This team should not play trap hockey at all. They have not been, and they should continue to not. They need to play wide open aggresive hockey without ignoring defensively responsible hockey. They went on a 5 game slump (which was routine last season) until they lit it up against the Caps. They were scoring 3 goals a game for a while before the slump. They started off slow offensively. It has been up and down, but if they can click on the PP (I have seen some nice cycling and chances) and continue to score at even strength they will be fine.

I hold off on making a move until Rolston and Holik are back. Once they return, and Greene as well, if Elias, Parise, Gionta, Langenbrunner, Zajac (has been a consistent BEAST this season in my opinion) can light it up (and the potential is there) we will make the playoffs. All this team needs to do is remain in the playoff race anywhere between a 7th and 9th seed until Feb or March when Marty is healthy and rested and we make the post season, and are all optimisitc.


Trading for a Khabibulin or a Goalie alike is not as easy as people make it sound. When Marty comes back, that is $5 million in Cap space that Lou has to get rid of.

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What about a trade with the Senators....they have some good offensive talent, yet they have struggled for a while, maybe they need a change like some of our players do.

Like Heatley/Spezza for Elias/Gionta?

We should be so lucky.

If Heatley came to the Devils before he was old and washed up I would probably pull a Das Uber and spontaneously orgasm myself into cardiac arrest as if Phaneuf knocked on his front door.

Lou isn't doing anything until a few of the players come back. I haven't agreed with all of his moves but he is by in large a very good GM.

Lou isn't doing anything ever.

That's more like it.

Lou isn't doing anything until a few of the players come back. I haven't agreed with all of his moves but he is by in large a very good GM.

We are fantasizing.

Since we won't have the luxury of the St. Louis Blues signing one of our star-in-the making free agents, which directly led a judge handing us Scott Stevens, coupled with trading a so-so defenseman to Toronto for their #1 draft pick, which then turns into a #3 overall pick that lands us Scott Neidermayer, not to mention fooling Calgary into selecting Trevor Kidd and having a generational goalie fall in your lap, the only way we can get superstar players now is through trades of free agency.

Either lightning has to stike twice (like what happened in Brodeur, Stevens & Neidermayer in 1990 & 1991) or you have to do the unpopular thing and trade what assets you have now to once again become a contender.

Unless of course, you enjoy mediocrity

I bet we trade for Gaborik. Bob McKenzie is reporting he's going to be traded in days, and since we're never rumored to trade for him, then we will.

Bergfors + Brookbank to Minnesota for Gaborik LOL.

I bet we trade for Gaborik. Bob McKenzie is reporting he's going to be traded in days, and since we're never rumored to trade for him, then we will.

Bergfors + Brookbank to Minnesota for Gaborik LOL.

Yeah, but I would want Gaborik here for good and more than a just being a rental. If you sign him for next year and even with Gionta's, Holik & Madden's salary comming off the books, there will be no cap room left for defense.

Yeah, but I would want Gaborik here for good and more than a just being a rental. If you sign him for next year and even with Gionta's, Holik & Madden's salary comming off the books, there will be no cap room left for defense.

Meh, even if it's for a season, I'd take him, then sign Bouwmeester in the off-season.

Meh, even if it's for a season, I'd take him, then sign Bouwmeester in the off-season.

Well, if we can jettison a particular forwards contract and its $6 million cap hit right now, getting him to waive his NTC by letting him play with his "friend" in a particular midwestern city, then we can possibly have both Gaborik & Bouwmeester next season.

Many of us would die of happiness.

For what it's worth, TSN says Montreal, Ottawa & the NYR are interested in Gaborik and Risebrough was supposed to be at last night's game at MSG but didn't end up attending. There is nothing in this world that would make me angrier than Sather getting his filthy paws on a player I like. Gaborik is one of them.

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Lou will trade for a steady veteran rental on D at the deadline without giving up important roster players. Book it.

Sell Gionta to the highest bidder if we're out of contention.

Sell Gionta to the highest bidder if we're out of contention.

We all want that and I'm sure the feeling is unanimous...........

so it probably won't end up happening.

Sell Gionta to the highest bidder if we're out of contention.

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***Breaking news on Gionta offers****

My Roller hockey team based out of Denver, CO, The Killer Kumquats, officially has offered the Devils 250$ in cash, a used puck bag, and a free pitcher of beer + ten buffalo wings for Gionta.

I will guess that is the best offer the devils will get. Plus I heard that We will pay gionta 26$ a game, waive the 149$ league fee, pay for his gas to and from the rink, and if he scores 5 goals in the ten game season, he gets a free pizza plus a 50 dollar bonus,

All of course after he passes the rigorous team physical and training camp.

Well, if we can jettison a particular forwards contract and its $6 million cap hit right now, getting him to waive his NTC by letting him play with his "friend" in a particular midwestern city, then we can possibly have both Gaborik & Bouwmeester next season.

Many of us would die of happiness.

For what it's worth, TSN says Montreal, Ottawa & the NYR are interested in Gaborik and Risebrough was supposed to be at last night's game at MSG but didn't end up attending. There is nothing in this world that would make me angrier than Sather getting his filthy paws on a player I like. Gaborik is one of them.

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You'd hate Gaborik. Gaborik is Elias 5 years younger. Except he doesn't like to play system hockey and has no problem telling you that.

I think you like him out of separation, 82 games playing with our plumbers will change your opinion.

You'd hate Gaborik. Gaborik is Elias 5 years younger. Except he doesn't like to play system hockey and has no problem telling you that.

I think you like him out of separation, 82 games playing with our plumbers will change your opinion.

Actually I like Gaborik and he's much faster and a better goal scorer than Elias, especially playing on that really defensive minded team. He's been patient and handled himself well there in Lemaire's system, and even as Lemaire is trying to open things up this season, he has been looking for a change of scenery for the past year.

There's actually a real difference between playing for Sutter as opposed to Lemaire, although I'm sure he would prefer to go to an offense-first team as that's been his public stance lately. But then again, anything can happen.

Gaborik is a better goal scorer because he plays on a defensive team?? Hah, lawl.

I still think we should trade Parise for Nathan Horton though Muttley, that dude is really, really big and strong. :sarcasm:

I think you are blinded by names and don't take time to watch these other players, play for their teams. Truth is, we have no-name players out perfoming the guys you all chomp-at-the-bit to have...

Whatever, I'm done with the trade issue. Ride out the storm Lou.

Right now the team is lacking pretty much everything. It would be nice to see the Devils core healthy and see what the actual and acute needs are, before even considering pulling the trigger on Gionta + 2nd for Shea Weber :laugh:

Yet, I´d be patient and ride through the storm with the current squad. Trading for a quick relief would probably be a cure worse than the disease. It is a few months we´re talking about and after all maximally this season.

how about we trade for franzen at the deadline?

Why would Lou make any moves while the team is still injured? It doesn't make any sense.

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Trade at the deadline when there is a clearer picture of where this team is at.

No goaltender, unless Marty is worse than they are letting on. If the Devils do sign Bulin, they're are stuck with him even when Marty returns, unless they can trade him. He's over 35 years of age, so you can't send him down either.

In my opinion, it's just to early to panic. If the team is tanking, Lou may pull the trigger after Thanksgiving.

If the team is winning it's share of games and staying in the playoff hunt, nothing will be done until the trade deadline.

Actually I like Gaborik and he's much faster and a better goal scorer than Elias, especially playing on that really defensive minded team. He's been patient and handled himself well there in Lemaire's system, and even as Lemaire is trying to open things up this season, he has been looking for a change of scenery for the past year.

There's actually a real difference between playing for Sutter as opposed to Lemaire, although I'm sure he would prefer to go to an offense-first team as that's been his public stance lately. But then again, anything can happen.

I can't see Elias giving his blessing to go to Minnesota, although Lemaire is a better coach and has a better system than Sutter.

Why trade for Havlat when we're going to get him next season after we refuse to resign Gionta :D

After Havlat, Heatley is my dreamcrush. He'll never happen.

Stay the course. This is the plan we went into the season having. We haven't even had a chance to execute. This is kind of like Ranger fans wanting to trade gomez and/or drury after one season. You make a plan (for whatever period of time) and you need to stick to it to a degreee. For the Rangers, it would be at least 2 years. For us, it's at least 20 healthy games.

With the exception of Saturday (possibly Wednesday, and even then I'd say it was penalties), goaltending wasn't an issue. Its our scoring. The goalies have kept us in games. I can't really fault Weekes or Clemmer when we're only getting 1 or 2 goals a game

I say wait. See what you've got after the injured players, aside from Brodeur, come back. If it looks grim at the trade deadline, make deals, when teams are more likely to give up prospects and draft picks. Next year's draft is supposed to be as deep as this passed one, and it would be a good time to replenish the farm.

were getting gaborik, havlat, Khabi, and JBouw. before the deadline.


book it. (e4)

After Havlat, Heatley is my dreamcrush. He'll never happen.


Right now Heatley plays with no heart on the Senators. Will he play the same way after coming to NJ? What does it take to motivate him? No matter how skilled a player is, if he has no heart, would he succeed?

Right now Heatley plays with no heart on the Senators. Will he play the same way after coming to NJ? What does it take to motivate him? No matter how skilled a player is, if he has no heart, would he succeed?

I disagree. He took a different approach this season. He's on the penalty kill and attempted to step his defensive game. I read articles about him making an attempt to care more, for this season.

And yes, skill can bring you a long way.

it's all a moot point, he's not coming here.

I disagree. He took a different approach this season. He's on the penalty kill and attempted to step his defensive game. I read articles about him making an attempt to care more, for this season.

And yes, skill can bring you a long way.

it's all a moot point, he's not coming here.

He has not shown it in his play. And the rest of the Senators are following his example and not caring.

The announcers at NHL network were discussing him the other day. He's not stepping up.

He has not shown it in his play. And the rest of the Senators are following his example and not caring.

The announcers at NHL network were discussing him the other day. He's not stepping up.

doesn't mean he's not trying, or doesn't care. Look at Elias.. the guy tries every night, doesn't necessarily get the results you'd want.

There could be a lack of chemistry in Ottawa, but I doubt the guys aren't trying. Alfredsson, team captain, hasn't done all that much.

doesn't mean he's not trying, or doesn't care. Look at Elias.. the guy tries every night, doesn't necessarily get the results you'd want.

There could be a lack of chemistry in Ottawa, but I doubt the guys aren't trying. Alfredsson, team captain, hasn't done all that much.

When Heatly plays, he doesn't fight for the puck down low. He only makes the finess plays because he doesn't want to dirty himself with the fight in the corners.

How is that lack of chemistry? I think that shows he doesn't really want to try that hard.

Most of our team fight for that puck constantly down low. They have shown alot of heart yet alot of you still criticize them for not trying hard enough. So why the double standard?

When Heatly plays, he doesn't fight for the puck down low. He only makes the finess plays because he doesn't want to dirty himself with the fight in the corners.

How is that lack of chemistry? I think that shows he doesn't really want to try that hard.

Most of our team fight for that puck constantly down low. They have shown alot of heart yet alot of you still criticize them for not trying hard enough. So why the double standard?

Seriously? Heatley's size is one of his attributes. I watched him play the Rangers, battling here and there... getting chopped at.

And I was talking about a team chemistry. How can you pick on Heatley when Alfredsson and Spezza aren't doing much either?

And I don't criticize our team. I was saying that if you look at Elias, he fights hard but doesn't get the points (not until lately). Other posters may criticize, but I don't. There is a reason why I like Elias so much, despite his scoring.

The difference is, Elias is getting paid to put up those stats and isn't producing. Heatley may not have great stats now, but his track record allows us to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm confident Heatley will finish with at least 40 goals and 80 points.

I think both players try each night, though. And even if Heatley didn't cycle down low (which I've see him do in not so rare fasion), that makes him not try? Maybe that style doesn't suit him. Maybe, being the sniper he is, he is better suited out front of the net. Maybe Jason Spezza, big playmaker, is better suited at digging out pucks in the corner and centering them to Heatley.

We have tons of guys that are heart and soul, grit players. Maybe its time we need a guy who appears to not care, but still lights the lamp 40x a season.

In the end, it doesn't matter. He's not coming up here

I have a feeling that we will make a trade for someone pretty random like Derek Morris, someone we haven't put much thought into, but would be like Lou to get.

I have a feeling that we will make a trade for someone pretty random like Derek Morris, someone we haven't put much thought into, but would be like Lou to get.

It is early BUT....a lot of teams that are supposed to be GOOD are really having a bad season so far, look at the standings..Dallas, Ottawa, they are basically in last place....I'm sure a few GM's are looking to make some deals soon.