Canadian Olympic team may have to play without the Maple Leaf

HABitual
11-01-2008, 08:08 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/ctvnews/?id=254449

This is crazy!! I suggest a Canadian boycott of the Olympics, if this happens. :rant:Team Canada may be forced to play without its familiar Maple Leaf logo at the 2010 Vancouver Olympics, the victim of an International Olympic Committee rule that is only now being enforced.

The IOC regulation forbids sport federations from displaying their logos on uniforms at the Olympics, which includes Hockey Canada's trademark Maple Leaf with a hockey player. Hockey Canada says it has been able to get around the rule in the past by having the Canadian Olympic Committee sign an exemption from Games uniform regulations.

sleeper cab
11-01-2008, 08:12 PM
i see the rules bending once again because the olympic are in vancouver and the coc will oull some strings

DonovanMD
11-01-2008, 09:10 PM
While I think they're overreacting a bit, namely with the bit about Canada being at a disadvantage, it is pretty ridiculous. As long as the logo of a country if unoffensive, shows who they are and doesnt have advertising on it like some Euro league jerseys, who cares.

backs4mvp
11-01-2008, 11:07 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was because the NHL wasn't commited to playing in the 2014 Olympic games.

Tricolore#20
11-02-2008, 03:13 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was because the NHL wasn't commited to playing in the 2014 Olympic games.

It has nothing to do with that. It is because the IOC doesn't want any individual federations profiting from sales during the Games. That's the reason why none of the soccer teams at Beijing wore their federation badges during that tournament. It was a national outcry in Brazil, to not have their crest there, and when I had heard that, I had the fear that this would also occur in Canada in the lead up to 2010.

I think this will get resolved one way or another, but it won't be easy. The IOC is a money grubbing organization and they see the potential gain for Hockey Canada (and other federations) through this, even though it has happened for years.

If Canada doesn't wear their official Hockey Canada logo, they will probably sport the current COC logo on the front of their current jerseys, or will exclusively wear their new 3rd jerseys (which will be unveiled sometime this month), which doesn't really feature the Hockey Canada logo that prominently. The new 3rd jersey is said to be maroon and similar to the Canada Cup jerseys (but with a stylized maple leaf).

Tricolore#20
11-02-2008, 03:21 AM
This is essentially how the jersey would look if they weren't allowed to use the Hockey Canada logo, and had to adopt the COC logo

Tricolore#20
11-02-2008, 03:29 AM
Here are some photos of what the soccer teams did during the Beijing Olympics, due to this new rule. It caught the Brazilians and Argentinians off guard, because those symbols are as iconic in their respective countries, as the Hockey Canada mark is in Canada. The problem with the football tournament was that they had this news delivered to them during the Games, and Brazil and Argentina actually played their first games with the federation badge:

http://hastalogolsiempre.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/argentina-3-0-brazil-oft-2008.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/13/xin_49208051322565623012023.jpg
http://www.beijingbirdnest.com/beijingbirdnest/olympicnews/UploadFiles_1899/200808/200887125634404.jpg
http://images2.sina.com/english/sports/p/2008/0807/U137P200T1D176801F14DT20080807025746.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/20080823/09/2819827975-olympics-beijing-olympic-games-2008-day-fifteen.jpg

therealdeal
11-02-2008, 11:51 AM
Its not a disadvantage as far as the team goes, but its a MASSIVE disadvantage for Hockey Canada. They do make a ton of money off these jersies.

SChan*
11-02-2008, 12:54 PM
so sweden has to play without their "three crowns" as well?

therealdeal
11-02-2008, 01:37 PM
so sweden has to play without their "three crowns" as well?

Only if its a symbol of their organization.

backs4mvp
11-02-2008, 05:23 PM
http://yrih.com/logos/hockey-canada.jpg

Just realized, this is the logo they won't be able to use, the article headline, and hockey canada reps make it sound like they can't use any maple leaf logo.

Dima87*
11-02-2008, 06:47 PM
Does this only apply to Canada ? Would Russia not be able to use the two headed eagle either ?

worstfaceoffmanever
11-02-2008, 09:27 PM
Why not just change the Federation logo and keep the jerseys?

v-man
11-02-2008, 10:34 PM
Does this only apply to Canada ? Would Russia not be able to use the two headed eagle either ?

Russia, the Czechs, Swedes, Belarus, Slovakia and Latvia (if they make it) should have no problems because they have national symbols on their jerseys, not the national hockey federations logo. Finland and the States on the other hand would be in the same boat as Canada. The U.S. will most likely wear their new third jerseys.


If Canada doesn't wear their official Hockey Canada logo, they will probably sport the current COC logo on the front of their current jerseys, or will exclusively wear their new 3rd jerseys (which will be unveiled sometime this month), which doesn't really feature the Hockey Canada logo that prominently. The new 3rd jersey is said to be maroon and similar to the Canada Cup jerseys (but with a stylized maple leaf).

They're already available at some stores in downtown Toronto. Didn't have a camera with me, so here's basically what they look like. The jersey has the same cut and collar as the new jerseys, it's just all maroon. The sleeves also have the leaf logo about half way up.
http://www.balticcanada.com/i/cnd3rd.jpg

Personally, I think the new jerseys look more fitting with their third jersey leaf, which shouldn't be a problem with the 1OC.

http://www.lsak.org/LHFC/images/canada.jpg

Beakermania*
11-03-2008, 12:56 AM
Wow... this is the dumbest rule in the history of sports....

No lie....

If the IOC enforces this; they are officially retarded.

This is so stupid.... really the tourney is in canada... we should be allowed to use the hockey player maple leaf logo if we want to. **** off IOC; go do something productiver like catching some more cheaters or something

Metallian*
11-03-2008, 01:25 AM
its not like they are picking on canada though, other teams have to change as well

USA (main logo), sweden (chest), slovakia (chest), ukraine (chest), swiss (shoulder), poland (shoulder), norway (main logo), lithuania (chest), japan (main logo), germany (chest), finland (main logo)...

im sure Belarus will use this to their advantage?

Beakermania*
11-03-2008, 01:53 AM
its not like they are picking on canada though, other teams have to change as well

USA (main logo), sweden (chest), slovakia (chest), ukraine (chest), swiss (shoulder), poland (shoulder), norway (main logo), lithuania (chest), japan (main logo), germany (chest), finland (main logo)...

im sure Belarus will use this to their advantage?

No, i agree they aren't picking on canada; but why do you watn to take the biggest sport at this olympics (hockey will be king cause its in Vancouver) and remove all the traditional jerseys from the event. The jerseys that hockey fans can instantly identify with the teams. Its really a stupid idea.. and for what.. $$$ for the IOC. Why not just charge them a % on the jerseys sold with their federations logo... or a licensing fee... or some other way for the IOC to get their blood money.

Metallian*
11-03-2008, 03:48 AM
No, i agree they aren't picking on canada; but why do you watn to take the biggest sport at this olympics (hockey will be king cause its in Vancouver) and remove all the traditional jerseys from the event. The jerseys that hockey fans can instantly identify with the teams. Its really a stupid idea.. and for what.. $$$ for the IOC. Why not just charge them a % on the jerseys sold with their federations logo... or a licensing fee... or some other way for the IOC to get their blood money.

theres hardly any tradition at play here

the jerseys themselves change annually, the hockey canada logo has only been on the jerseys for 10 years. In the 3 times its been used in the Olympics, twice team canada was held without a medal.

also, hockey canada is a canadian amateur hockey organization.....and its logo went on the jerseys since the olympics allowed pro's to push the amateurs out....wtf?

v-man
11-03-2008, 05:29 AM
its not like they are picking on canada though, other teams have to change as well

USA (main logo), sweden (chest), slovakia (chest), ukraine (chest), swiss (shoulder), poland (shoulder), norway (main logo), lithuania (chest), japan (main logo), germany (chest), finland (main logo)...

im sure Belarus will use this to their advantage?

Well, to be fair, most of those countries are not even going to be at the Olympics (only the current top 9 have automatically qualified, with Latvia, Germany and Norway as the heavy favourites to take the last three spots), so they don't have to change a thing. For Sweden and Slovakia, taking off a small federation patch is not a problem whatsoever. The fact that Finland and Canada would have to change their main crest is the only real issue here.

Beakermania*
11-03-2008, 10:36 AM
theres hardly any tradition at play here

the jerseys themselves change annually, the hockey canada logo has only been on the jerseys for 10 years. In the 3 times its been used in the Olympics, twice team canada was held without a medal.

also, hockey canada is a canadian amateur hockey organization.....and its logo went on the jerseys since the olympics allowed pro's to push the amateurs out....wtf?

We also have 3 medals in those jerseys for the Canadian Women.... 2 of them Gold.

But thats not the point... the point is that those jerseys have probably been worn for 50 or more tournaments since they were introduced.... WJC, World Championships, Under 18s, Women's Worlds, 4 nations, etc....

Its a stupid rule based on money for the IOC... they are concerned they aren't getting their piece of the jersey sales?? okay, charge a licensing fee.... fine with me.

Its also about the opponents too... why is finland not gonna be allowed to wear their distinctive, recognizable jerseys?? USA?? etc.... There are traditions in those uniforms too.

Its what we expect at an international tournament, and to force teams to change before the biggest international tournament is a joke.

Metallian*
11-03-2008, 11:46 AM
We also have 3 medals in those jerseys for the Canadian Women.... 2 of them Gold.


they shouldnt even be in the olympics to begin with, though

Metallian*
11-03-2008, 11:48 AM
Its a stupid rule based on money for the IOC

Its a corporate logo in a tournament of athletes representing their countries.

Beakermania*
11-03-2008, 12:07 PM
they shouldnt even be in the olympics to begin with, though

I'm not even gonna get into this debate... its a whole other topic for a whole other thread.

Its a corporate logo in a tournament of athletes representing their countries.

The IOC doesn't have a problem with splattering Coke everywhere or McDonalds or whoever ponies up the cash for them..... Last olympics Nike paid for the uniform rights to the hockey teams... the IOC made players cover up Easton, CCM, Itech, other logos on their equipment.

Those are far more blatant advertising ploys than the Team Canada hockey logo.

Like I said, its all about the IOC's piece of the pie.... look at the stories of Atlanta and Sydney being awarded the games... this is a corrupt organization and that hasn't changed.

jekoh
11-03-2008, 01:51 PM
also, hockey canada is a canadian amateur hockey organization.....and its logo went on the jerseys since the olympics allowed pro's to push the amateurs out....wtf?
For the record the olympics allowed pros in the mid eighties.

mooseOAK
11-03-2008, 02:51 PM
http://www.granitegrok.com/pix/the%20finger.jpg

Maybe this logo will be better.

Metallian*
11-03-2008, 04:55 PM
For the record the olympics allowed pros in the mid eighties.

i meant when the nhl started competing.....you know what i meant

therealdeal
11-03-2008, 06:21 PM
they shouldnt even be in the olympics to begin with, though

Would you prefer to watch less skilled, more roid filled athletes like with the rest of the Olympics?

Metallian*
11-03-2008, 07:07 PM
Would you prefer to watch less skilled, more roid filled athletes like with the rest of the Olympics?

Less skilled than womens hockey players? Impossible.

The winter games have a wide range of skill and ability, and far less doping incidents mostly because the sports are centered on pure skill vs. physical performance

therealdeal
11-03-2008, 07:22 PM
Less skilled than womens hockey players? Impossible.

The winter games have a wide range of skill and ability, and far less doping incidents mostly because the sports are centered on pure skill vs. physical performance

Every sport is based on physical performance, hockey included. There are no more amatures to play in hockey, if you want to see it so badly, go to your local rink at 11 at night and watch a beer league.

Beakermania*
11-03-2008, 07:54 PM
Less skilled than womens hockey players? Impossible.

I bet Hayley Wickenheiser would skate circles around you.

Metallian*
11-04-2008, 01:07 AM
I bet Hayley Wickenheiser would skate circles around you.

I never made a case for myself in the Olympics ;)


Wickenheiser had a cup of coffee in the european minor leagues and thats supposed to be a shining example of world class skill? she's beer-league caliber...

Metallian*
11-04-2008, 01:08 AM
Every sport is based on physical performance, hockey included. There are no more amatures to play in hockey, if you want to see it so badly, go to your local rink at 11 at night and watch a beer league.

I don't want to watch amateur hockey....whats your point?


and you completely deflected the first point, which is the the winter games focuses on skill and technique. you see sports like slalom/skiing/snowboarding, figure skating, bob sled / luge, etc., a lot more sports that are graded vs. won by physical dominance

Beakermania*
11-04-2008, 02:34 AM
I never made a case for myself in the Olympics ;)


Wickenheiser had a cup of coffee in the european minor leagues and thats supposed to be a shining example of world class skill? she's beer-league caliber...

Cause the Womens 100m champion wouldn't even make the 2nd round of Men's qualifying with her time, does that mean the Women's 100m race in the olympics shouldn't count either...

or pretty much any sport.... the best men are stronger, faster, bigger than the best women... doesn't mean that the best women shouldn't be olympians competing in their events.

But again lets get off this debate... its off-topic... we can both save it for another thread at another time.

Stripes
11-04-2008, 03:05 AM
If Canada doesn't wear their official Hockey Canada logo, they will probably sport the current COC logo on the front of their current jerseys, or will exclusively wear their new 3rd jerseys (which will be unveiled sometime this month), which doesn't really feature the Hockey Canada logo that prominently. The new 3rd jersey is said to be maroon and similar to the Canada Cup jerseys (but with a stylized maple leaf).

From my grapevine, the third jersey will be a black version of the current jerseys. It may feature the vintage logo we've seen before as the main logo. Even that logo cannot be used as it is a Hockey Canada trademark.

Hockey Canada's third jerseys are not for sale anywhere yet. They haven't even been released. They will be released for the World U20 Championships in December.

Why not just change the Federation logo and keep the jerseys?

It's not that simple. Hockey Canada's logo is trademarked. They can't change their logo without dropping its trademark.

They can't even use the retro alternate logo we've seen on third jerseys in recent years. It is also a trademarked logo by Hockey Canada.

The biggest problem with this rule, is that it is the IOC's way of making sure national federations don't profit like they can during the Olympics. It's nothing but a greasy way for them to get all the money they can get their grubby mits on. They don't give a rat's ass that the money Hockey Canada makes from merchandise sales goes back into their program to keep player registration fees as low as they can be. This decision, if enforced, will hurt Hockey Canada's sales and will likely result in the cost for kids to play hockey going up.

v-man
11-04-2008, 05:00 AM
From my grapevine, the third jersey will be a black version of the current jerseys. It may feature the vintage logo we've seen before as the main logo. Even that logo cannot be used as it is a Hockey Canada trademark.

Hockey Canada's third jerseys are not for sale anywhere yet. They haven't even been released. They will be released for the World U20 Championships in December.


That's simply not true. They've been on sale at Yonge Sports in Toronto since at least last week, they're available at Ice Jerseys (http://www.icejerseys.com/item_details.php?id=7218) right now (the pics will be up in a day or two) and they are in fact maroon, not black. Your grapevine is useless. All the U20 jerseys are available right now as well, not in December.


They can't even use the retro alternate logo we've seen on third jerseys in recent years. It is also a trademarked logo by Hockey Canada.

The biggest problem with this rule, is that it is the IOC's way of making sure national federations don't profit like they can during the Olympics. It's nothing but a greasy way for them to get all the money they can get their grubby mits on. They don't give a rat's ass that the money Hockey Canada makes from merchandise sales goes back into their program to keep player registration fees as low as they can be. This decision, if enforced, will hurt Hockey Canada's sales and will likely result in the cost for kids to play hockey going up.

During this summer's Olympics the IOC said the rule existed simply because the athletes are there representing their countries, not the national sports federations. If and when Canada picks a new logo, the IOC will not necessarily see any money from it's sales, as the jerseys do not require the Olympic logo to be present on them. What they're aiming for is a clean look that could be as simple as having Canada written on it in any font, or a simple maple leaf approved by the Canadian Olympic Committee. I also doubt the restrictions on the use of the third jersey logo. The IOC rule indicates that no federation's official logo be present, not other logo's to which they hold the rights.

Den
11-04-2008, 11:33 AM
Just change the Hockey Canada logo

Reider
11-04-2008, 02:20 PM
Well, The Hockey Canada jerseys are pretty rad, but hey, i'm all for another jersey to be made...Im thinkin a '72 vintage sweater with the off white. :yo:

Stripes
11-04-2008, 03:10 PM
That's simply not true. They've been on sale at Yonge Sports in Toronto since at least last week, they're available at Ice Jerseys (http://www.icejerseys.com/item_details.php?id=7218) right now (the pics will be up in a day or two) and they are in fact maroon, not black. Your grapevine is useless. All the U20 jerseys are available right now as well, not in December.

My grapevine came directly from Hockey Canada not even 3 months ago. If they decided to make a change, it was very recent. That said, they have nothing on their own website, so I will wait for that to believe they made this change. Ice Jerseys also shows a lack of knowledge by labeling all Team Canada jerseys as Swift jerseys. The replicas are not Swift jerseys. Only the authentics are.


During this summer's Olympics the IOC said the rule existed simply because the athletes are there representing their countries, not the national sports federations. If and when Canada picks a new logo, the IOC will not necessarily see any money from it's sales, as the jerseys do not require the Olympic logo to be present on them. What they're aiming for is a clean look that could be as simple as having Canada written on it in any font, or a simple maple leaf approved by the Canadian Olympic Committee. I also doubt the restrictions on the use of the third jersey logo. The IOC rule indicates that no federation's official logo be present, not other logo's to which they hold the rights.

The third logo is an official Hockey Canada logo. There isn't just one.

Athletes DO represent their national federations as well as their countries. The national federations decide who will compete, so to say the athletes don't represent them is the IOC's way to cover up why this rule is really there. They don't want national federations profiting from merchandise sales during the Olympics.

Metallian*
11-04-2008, 03:13 PM
Cause the Womens 100m champion wouldn't even make the 2nd round of Men's qualifying with her time, does that mean the Women's 100m race in the olympics shouldn't count either...

or pretty much any sport.... the best men are stronger, faster, bigger than the best women... doesn't mean that the best women shouldn't be olympians competing in their events.

But again lets get off this debate... its off-topic... we can both save it for another thread at another time.

You're completely missing the point.

There is one dominant country for womens hockey. Maybe 2-3 other teams that they can compete against without it always being a blowout.

The Olympics is about international competition, not 1 bad team of hockey players beating up on other athletes with little to not ability at all.

The womens 100m has COMPETITION.

Metallian*
11-04-2008, 03:15 PM
This decision, if enforced, will hurt Hockey Canada's sales and will likely result in the cost for kids to play hockey going up.

in canada? are you kidding? :lol:

the licensing on hockey jerseys actually affecting the cost of hockey programs in canada? :lol: especially when the jerseys will still be sold (and used, for WCs and WJCs, etc), just NOT for the olympics every 4 years

thanks for the laugh

Metallian*
11-04-2008, 03:18 PM
That's simply not true. They've been on sale at Yonge Sports in Toronto since at least last week, they're available at Ice Jerseys (http://www.icejerseys.com/item_details.php?id=7218) right now (the pics will be up in a day or two) and they are in fact maroon, not black. Your grapevine is useless. All the U20 jerseys are available right now as well, not in December.
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thats not maroon...its more just a dark red

THIS is maroon
http://store.cstv.com/marketplace/store/Vendor133/fullscale/maroon-bball-short-c.jpg

v-man
11-04-2008, 03:48 PM
My grapevine came directly from Hockey Canada not even 3 months ago. If they decided to make a change, it was very recent. That said, they have nothing on their own website, so I will wait for that to believe they made this change. Ice Jerseys also shows a lack of knowledge by labeling all Team Canada jerseys as Swift jerseys. The replicas are not Swift jerseys. Only the authentics are.


The third logo is an official Hockey Canada logo. There isn't just one.

Athletes DO represent their national federations as well as their countries. The national federations decide who will compete, so to say the athletes don't represent them is the IOC's way to cover up why this rule is really there. They don't want national federations profiting from merchandise sales during the Olympics.

I'm sorry, but you simply don't know what you're talking about. The jerseys one Ice Jerseys are all Nike Swifts, both the old versions and the new.Nike makes Pro Authentic Swifts and Replica Swifts, but they are all indeed Swifts.

The maroon third jersey has been known about by true insiders for months. This is not at all a recent change. Photo's of the related third jersey merchandise have been online for quite a long time. Time to get a new source buddy.

v-man
11-04-2008, 03:51 PM
thats not maroon...its more just a dark red

THIS is maroon
http://store.cstv.com/marketplace/store/Vendor133/fullscale/maroon-bball-short-c.jpg

That's actually closer to what they look like in person. They are indeed maroon. All of the Latvia merchandise and the Canadian third appear lighter online than they actually are.

Stripes
11-04-2008, 04:42 PM
in canada? are you kidding? :lol:

the licensing on hockey jerseys actually affecting the cost of hockey programs in canada? :lol: especially when the jerseys will still be sold (and used, for WCs and WJCs, etc), just NOT for the olympics every 4 years

thanks for the laugh

You obviously didn't read the first article with Bob Nicholson's comments.

All the money Hockey Canada makes on jerseys (and other merchandise) goes back into the program. The less money made on merchandise sales, means that more money needs to be made elsewhere. That "elsewhere" is player registration fees.

I work in the industry as well. Hockey Canada jerseys are not the biggest sellers to begin with. People in Canada, on average, don't care about the World Championships. While we do love the World Juniors, it's not exactly a selling point outside of the host cities when they're held in Canada. When NHL players are playing at the Olympics, people want their jerseys. THAT is the selling point.

I'm sorry, but you simply don't know what you're talking about. The jerseys one Ice Jerseys are all Nike Swifts, both the old versions and the new.Nike makes Pro Authentic Swifts and Replica Swifts, but they are all indeed Swifts.

The maroon third jersey has been known about by true insiders for months. This is not at all a recent change. Photo's of the related third jersey merchandise have been online for quite a long time. Time to get a new source buddy.

Buddy? That's funny.

Like I said, my source was Hockey Canada.

The 2010 Canada REPLICA jerseys are not the swift cut. The 2006 replicas were, but the new replicas are not. They are a much different cut than the swift. They are more like the older replicas that give a more forgiving fit rather than damn near skin tight. I've had both the new authentics and replicas in my store since they were released in April. Don't tell me I don't know what I know.

v-man
11-04-2008, 04:51 PM
The 2010 Canada REPLICA jerseys are not the swift cut. The 2006 replicas were, but the new replicas are not. They are a much different cut than the swift. They are more like the older replicas that give a more forgiving fit rather than damn near skin tight. I've had both the new authentics and replicas in my store since they were released in April. Don't tell me I don't know what I know.

Are they like the previous swift cut? no. Are they the new swift cut? Yes. Nike themselves call them swift jerseys. I'm pretty sure they know better than you. And your store should probably get on the ball if you didn't know the new thirds were already available for sale, nor what they looked like. I'm not even in the industry and knew about them three months ago.

Stripes
11-04-2008, 04:56 PM
Are they like the previous swift cut? no. Are they the new swift cut? Yes. Nike themselves call them swift jerseys. I'm pretty sure they know better than you. And your store should probably get on the ball if you didn't know the new thirds were already available for sale, nor what they looked like.

You don't read well do you?

My source was HOCKEY CANADA! They told us the thirds were black and they were being released for the World Juniors in December.

If that information was inaccurate, it's HOCKEY CANADA who needs to "get on the ball", not my company.

Hockey Canada's website does not have this jersey on their website. If what is on Ice Jerseys' website really is the third jersey, I don't think they're allowed to sell it yet as Hockey Canada has not put out any media releases regarding a third jersey.

v-man
11-04-2008, 05:05 PM
You don't read well do you?

My source was HOCKEY CANADA! They told us the thirds were black and they were being released for the World Juniors in December.

If that information was inaccurate, it's HOCKEY CANADA who needs to "get on the ball", not my company.

Hockey Canada's website does not have this jersey on their website. If what is on Ice Jerseys' website really is the third jersey, I don't think they're allowed to sell it yet as Hockey Canada has not put out any media releases regarding a third jersey.

All the retailers I know get their info from the manufacturers, not Hockey Canada. Your store should have had the info from them, like all the others seem to. Like I said before, you should get a new source, cause yours isn't accurate. Not all people who work at Hockey Canada know all aspects of their operations. Your's obviously doesn't have the clearance on this type of info and by the look of things made things up to seem more in the know. And I highly doubt one of the biggest hockey merchandise stores in the world would sell something they're not supposed to. As I've mentioned before, other stores have it as well, the Hockey Hall of Fame store has the other third jersey merchandise labeled as such, yet here you were three days after I posted details about the third jersey saying it's black and not yet available. Just admit you and your source are wrong and move on.

Beakermania*
11-04-2008, 05:24 PM
You're completely missing the point.

There is one dominant country for womens hockey. Maybe 2-3 other teams that they can compete against without it always being a blowout.

The Olympics is about international competition, not 1 bad team of hockey players beating up on other athletes with little to not ability at all.

The womens 100m has COMPETITION.

There is not one dominant country, the US has been stiff competition for over 10 years now.

It takes time to build a level of competition... it used to be said that the US or Canada were always 1-2 in these type of events... then Sweden broke through and won the silver in 06....

Finland is catching up too... that makes 4 legit medal contenders....'

Eventually the other hockey playing nations... czech, russia, etc will get there too.

The US won how many consecutive basketball gold medals before other countries began to challenge them.... a last second victory by the soviets in 72 was said to be an exception... but then 88 came and they finished third.... Look where they were in 04.

If we have given mens basketball the time to be a global sport, why aren't we doing the same for women's hockey. Big strides have been made in the last 20 years.... the biggest of these in the last 10 since it was introduced to the olympics... taking it out of the olympics would be a step backwards for the game.

therealdeal
11-04-2008, 05:48 PM
I don't want to watch amateur hockey....whats your point?


and you completely deflected the first point, which is the the winter games focuses on skill and technique. you see sports like slalom/skiing/snowboarding, figure skating, bob sled / luge, etc., a lot more sports that are graded vs. won by physical dominance

You clearly have no understanding of sports, power and physical dominance are always important. Slalomers are extremely powerful and explosive.

Also, you have not stated as to why hockey/NHL should not be in the Olympics. Although I doubt I'll your answer will have any relevance anyways, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

Tricolore#20
11-04-2008, 07:44 PM
You obviously didn't read the first article with Bob Nicholson's comments.

All the money Hockey Canada makes on jerseys (and other merchandise) goes back into the program. The less money made on merchandise sales, means that more money needs to be made elsewhere. That "elsewhere" is player registration fees.

I work in the industry as well. Hockey Canada jerseys are not the biggest sellers to begin with. People in Canada, on average, don't care about the World Championships. While we do love the World Juniors, it's not exactly a selling point outside of the host cities when they're held in Canada. When NHL players are playing at the Olympics, people want their jerseys. THAT is the selling point.



Buddy? That's funny.

Like I said, my source was Hockey Canada.

The 2010 Canada REPLICA jerseys are not the swift cut. The 2006 replicas were, but the new replicas are not. They are a much different cut than the swift. They are more like the older replicas that give a more forgiving fit rather than damn near skin tight. I've had both the new authentics and replicas in my store since they were released in April. Don't tell me I don't know what I know.
V-man is correct. Those jerseys on IceJerseys are the new Canada 3rd jerseys. River City Sports is another retailer that has been advertising the design for months (check out their latest catalogue, which was released 2 months ago) on other items like caps and shirts.

Metallian*
11-04-2008, 09:15 PM
You clearly have no understanding of sports, power and physical dominance are always important. Slalomers are extremely powerful and explosive.

Also, you have not stated as to why hockey/NHL should not be in the Olympics. Although I doubt I'll your answer will have any relevance anyways, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

Why do you want me to argue that the NHL shouldn't be in the Olympics? thats neither here nor there, and something I don't even agree with in the first place

I have a feeling the people who are replying to my posts are into the hooch tonight...

Metallian*
11-04-2008, 09:18 PM
You obviously didn't read the first article with Bob Nicholson's comments.

All the money Hockey Canada makes on jerseys (and other merchandise) goes back into the program. The less money made on merchandise sales, means that more money needs to be made elsewhere. That "elsewhere" is player registration fees.

I work in the industry as well. Hockey Canada jerseys are not the biggest sellers to begin with. People in Canada, on average, don't care about the World Championships. While we do love the World Juniors, it's not exactly a selling point outside of the host cities when they're held in Canada. When NHL players are playing at the Olympics, people want their jerseys. THAT is the selling point.


the CHL generates a lot of money as its a pro hockey league with players that don't earn a salary

all the way up to that, parents fund majority of hockey programs and teams

explain to me where the jersey sales every 4 years factors into anything? its an insignificant amount of money

Krm500
11-04-2008, 09:41 PM
so sweden has to play without their "three crowns" as well?

No, this is the Svenska Ishockeyförbundet logo:
http://www.sisuidrottsbocker.se/UserFiles/SiteVersionId_14/Image/SF%20loggor/Ishockeyforbundet.gif

Always worn as a patch above the crowns, on the left side of the jersey.

Does this only apply to Canada ? Would Russia not be able to use the two headed eagle either ?

Russia would be able to wear the eagle, your federation logo is exactly the same but with a russian flag instead of the eagle.

Krm500
11-04-2008, 09:45 PM
I hope Finland goes with this one since they can't use their current lion;
http://www.ksbsport.com/suomi/images/suomi_pelipaita_retro.jpg

v-man
11-04-2008, 09:59 PM
I hope Finland goes with this one since they can't use their current lion;
http://www.ksbsport.com/suomi/images/suomi_pelipaita_retro.jpg

Actually, that logo doesn't look too bad on the new swift.

http://www.balticcanada.com/i/suomi.jpg

leftwing lock
11-05-2008, 11:28 AM
If they release another jersey does hockey canada not receive anything from the sales of it or do they only receive money from the use of the trademark. If HC does not receive anything from the new jerseys who does?

Beakermania*
11-05-2008, 03:23 PM
If they release another jersey does hockey canada not receive anything from the sales of it or do they only receive money from the use of the trademark. If HC does not receive anything from the new jerseys who does?

I think the correct answer would be the COC and/or IOC.... does anyone else see the reasoning behind the rule now??

Canadian_Kiddo
11-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Hockey Canada logo exiled from Olympics (http://thesportscorner.ca/?p=532)

Where was this in the past three Olympics?

The IOC announced that the Canadian Men’s Ice Hockey team will no longer be allowed to use their signature maple leaf with a hockey player logo that they’ve worn in international competition since, correct me if I’m wrong, the 1998 Olympics.

Did someone complain? Was this just brought to their attention because the 2010 games are in Canada? Who’s behind this? What’s the big deal?

If I were in charge of this country, that logo would replace the maple leaf on our national flag. But, because it’s a ‘corporation’ logo, it’s not allowed at the Olympics. Because, well, maybe it’s hurting too many of the other countries’ feelings because they haven’t thought up such cool logos.

Now, we have to look at our other options.... read more here... (http://thesportscorner.ca/?p=532)


I think they should just use those half-maple leaf jerseys from back in the days. Those are okay, but what a stupid time to enforce this rule.