Canada vs Sweden rivalry?

Is it just me, or is there a bigger Sweden vs Canada rivalry on this forum than Canada vs Russia right now?

Last 14 years or so (starting olympics 94), Canada and Sweden has had some epic battles. If you look back at the 70s in the NHL, Sweden was first send to send a euro player, and also Canadians called the swedes, chicken swedes.

Is the Can-SWE rivalry bigger than we think?

Is it just me, or is there a bigger Sweden vs Canada rivalry on this forum than Canada vs Russia right now?

Last 14 years or so (starting olympics 94), Canada and Sweden has had some epic battles. If you look back at the 70s in the NHL, Sweden was first send to send a euro player, and also Canadians called the swedes, chicken swedes.

Is the Can-SWE rivalry bigger than we think?

Russian hockey fans don't dislike the Swedish team at all, there will never be a big rivalry there, it's only Canada for us.

Is it just me, or is there a bigger Sweden vs Canada rivalry on this forum than Canada vs Russia right now?

Last 14 years or so (starting olympics 94), Canada and Sweden has had some epic battles. If you look back at the 70s in the NHL, Sweden was first send to send a euro player, and also Canadians called the swedes, chicken swedes.

Is the Can-SWE rivalry bigger than we think?

Yes we want to beat Canada! Ohh it´s soooo sweet to beat the Canadians. But Sweden´s biggest rival is FINLAND! Damn what we hate Finland in hochey...

Russian hockey fans don't dislike the Swedish team at all, there will never be a big rivalry there, it's only Canada for us.He said Sweden and Canada bigger than Canada and Russia.

He said Sweden and Canada bigger than Canada and Russia.

and I meant in recent times, not in the past of course.

Hard to say. I'd actually say we have quite a big rivalry with alot of teams, it all depends on how you define it.

Finland is of course our biggest rival as our neighbour and constant bickering of both our male populations, Canada is a rival since we've lost alot of finals to them, Forsberg got smashed against them, and they're a pain in the ass to face in general, even though I think it's mostly fan based on forums kind of rivalry. And obviously Russia is always a rival in everything since the Cold War-stuff and since the Soviet Ice Hockey days. So it's hard to say really.

World Juniors last 3 years, Canada vs Russia.

World Champion ship this year, Canada vs Russia.

Sidney Crosby vs Ovechkin.

Dont think theres any rivalry between Sweden and Canada.

Sweden? I don't care about Sweden. Russian on the other hand... :)

World Juniors last 3 years, Canada vs Russia.


Dont think theres any rivalry between Sweden and Canada.


Well, the last year WJC, it was between Canada-SWEDEN! Sweden beat the "fantastic" Russia in the semi.

Russia is overated as always! They whose said they don´t care about Sweden in icehockey must be dumb. Since 1990 Sweden has the same number of titles as Canada. it´s two more than Russia/Soviet Union. It seems Canadians and Russian live in the past when Soviet Union and Canada were dominating.

Well, the last year WJC, it was between Canada-SWEDEN! Sweden beat the "fantastic" Russia in the semi.

Russia is overated as always! They whose said they don´t care about Sweden in icehockey must be dumb. Since 1990 Sweden has the same number of titles as Canada. it´s two more than Russia/Soviet Union. It seems Canadians and Russian live in the past when Soviet Union and Canada were dominating.

i dont get a point in your sarcasm about FANTASTIC Russia, however what means Overrated in your point of view!? ..................what ever. where is the rivalry between canada and sweden? look like Carl has another account on the hockeyboards forum )))))))

i dont get a point in your sarcasm about FANTASTIC Russia, however what means Overrated in your point of view!? ..................what ever. where is the rivalry between canada and sweden? look like Carl has another account on the hockeyboards forum )))))))

And were is the rivality between Canada and Russia?

No Canada isn´t Sweden´s biggest rival. It´s FINLAND as our neighbours.

And no, I´m not Carl or what´s his name is...

If you look at your results in Major tournaments then YES, Russia is highly overated!

Hard to say. I'd actually say we have quite a big rivalry with alot of teams, it all depends on how you define it.

Finland is of course our biggest rival as our neighbour and constant bickering of both our male populations, Canada is a rival since we've lost alot of finals to them, Forsberg got smashed against them, and they're a pain in the ass to face in general, even though I think it's mostly fan based on forums kind of rivalry. And obviously Russia is always a rival in everything since the Cold War-stuff and since the Soviet Ice Hockey days. So it's hard to say really.

yeah I would say Finland Russia AND Canada big rivalry for us.

World Juniors last 3 years, Canada vs Russia.
World Champion ship this year, Canada vs Russia.

Sidney Crosby vs Ovechkin.

Dont think theres any rivalry between Sweden and Canada.

FAIL

International hockey is a very small community, there are 5 or 6 teams that are right there with each other, every team doesn't want to win lose to any team, and every team has some sort of history against one another. When National pride is on the line, most every game is emotional, and lots is taken personally.

Does Canada have a healthy rivalry with Sweden? Yeah I would say so, is it the strongest rivalry for each country, depends on the date and the important of the game.

2 words.... Henrik Lundqvist

No its still Canada vs. Russia. In the past and currently.

Since 2000 let us look at the epic battles and the winners

Can/Rus:

2000 WJC semis (Russia)
2001 WJC (Kovalchuk fist pump) (Russia)
2002 WJC Gold Medal game (Russia)
2003 WJC Gold Medal game (Russia)
2005 WJC Gold Medal game (Canada)
2006 WJC Gold Medal game (Canada)
2007 WJC Gold Medal game (Canada)

2006 Olympics quarterfinals (Russia)
2008 WC Gold medal game (Russia)


Can/Swe:

2003 WC Gold Medal game (Canada)
2004 WC Gold Medal game (Canada)

2008 WJC Gold medal Game (Canada)


So far apples and oranges for Sweden vs. Canada. It is still Canada vs. Russia

For this years draft. It's Canada vs Sweden in terms of comparing prospects it is. That's about it.

No its still Canada vs. Russia. In the past and currently.

Since 2000 let us look at the epic battles and the winners

Can/Rus:

2000 WJC semis (Russia)
2001 WJC (Kovalchuk fist pump) (Russia)
2002 WJC Gold Medal game (Russia)
2003 WJC Gold Medal game (Russia)
2005 WJC Gold Medal game (Canada)
2006 WJC Gold Medal game (Canada)
2007 WJC Gold Medal game (Canada)

2006 Olympics quarterfinals (Russia)
2008 WC Gold medal game (Russia)


Can/Swe:

2003 WC Gold Medal game (Canada)
2004 WC Gold Medal game (Canada)

2008 WJC Gold medal Game (Canada)


So far apples and oranges for Sweden vs. Canada. It is still Canada vs. Russia

Sweden vs Canada


2006 WC Semifinal (Sweden)
2007 WC Semifinal (Canada)
2008 WJC Group game (Sweden)

Sweden vs Canada


2006 WC Semifinal (Sweden)
2007 WC Semifinal (Canada)
2008 WJC Group game (Sweden)

No one cares about Group games.

No one cares about Group games.

I just wanted to point out Sweden is Canada´s biggest threat in WJC right now, Not Russia. Sweden has beat Canada last year and surely Canada should be very scared for Sweden in WJC 2009.

I just wanted to point out Sweden is Canada´s biggest threat in WJC right now, Not Russia. Sweden has beat Canada last year and surely Canada should be very scared for Sweden in WJC 2009.

We'll see.

Russia and Canada have always had an advantage over the other nations in terms of age-restricted tournaments simply because we have so many more players to choose from.

Whereas, the other teams, like Sweden, Finland, and the Czechs, have alternating good teams and bad teams.

Open tournaments like the world championships and the Olympics can mitigate the lack of depth somewhat because you've got a good 20 year window to choose players from.

Until Sweden starts putting up Golds and Silvers in the WJC on a consistent basis, I find it hard to put them up as a fierce rival in that tournament.

We'll see.

Russia and Canada have always had an advantage over the other nations in terms of age-restricted tournaments simply because we have so many more players to choose from.

Whereas, the other teams, like Sweden, Finland, and the Czechs, have alternating good teams and bad teams.

Open tournaments like the world championships and the Olympics can mitigate the lack of depth somewhat because you've got a good 20 year window to choose players from.

Until Sweden starts putting up Golds and Silvers in the WJC on a consistent basis, I find it hard to put them up as a fierce rival in that tournament.

You almost lost the gold to Sweden last year. Team Sweden even will be better this year but you don´t think Sweden as a threat in WJC 2009? Well then you are a another arrogant Canadian!

You almost lost the gold to Sweden last year. Team Sweden even will be better this year but you don´t think Sweden as a threat in WJC 2009? Well then you are a another arrogant Canadian!

I'm going on the basis of history.

Last year's Silver was the first Gold or Silver for Sweden in 12 years.

Like I said in my post (if you'd like to read it again), the smaller countries are much more inconsistent than the larger ones.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sweden is competitive next year if they have a lot of returnees (as they appear to be), but how many years in a row after that will they be competitive?

It has nothing to do with the quality of the hockey and everything to do with the quantity of players.

Could Sweden win the Gold? Sure, it's possible.

Will they win 4 or 5 in a row? Very unlikely. The very format of the tournament is against them.

I apologize if I'm not generating the appropriate amount of fear for your squad.

But historically, the only real rival at the WJCs has been Russia. Sweden has a ways to go to rewrite that particular rivalry, even if they have a quality squad for a year or two.

If sweden is a rival with canada, then i think finland and russia should be too and why not czech republic... oh wait, what about USA?? And dont forget the slovaks! ahhhh..

Personally i think my biggest rival is Sweden and Canada, they are both the biggest obsacles for getting the gold, and i cant *****ing aaaaaaaa wait to win the gold in next tournament!!!!!!!

It doesn't matter really, Canada still produces the top crop of players in the world.

We have been making a mess out of the USA as of late in every level, same goes for Russia put aside last years World Championship. Sweden we only see every odd tournament for they are to inconsistent. Finland is always the darkhorse and always underrated.

You almost lost the gold to Sweden last year. Team Sweden even will be better this year but you don´t think Sweden as a threat in WJC 2009? Well then you are a another arrogant Canadian!
Funny after what I've heard from your Nordic cousins, Swedes have no grounds to be talking about arrogance.

We'll see.

Russia and Canada have always had an advantage over the other nations in terms of age-restricted tournaments simply because we have so many more players to choose from.

Whereas, the other teams, like Sweden, Finland, and the Czechs, have alternating good teams and bad teams.

Open tournaments like the world championships and the Olympics can mitigate the lack of depth somewhat because you've got a good 20 year window to choose players from.

Until Sweden starts putting up Golds and Silvers in the WJC on a consistent basis, I find it hard to put them up as a fierce rival in that tournament.

not everything is about WJC. Sweden is the defending olympic champion, which did put them as nr1 at official rankings until earlier this year.

For me it is Finland who is the team we should not lose to o hell i dont even use Nokia :D

not everything is about WJC. Sweden is the defending olympic champion, which did put them as nr1 at official rankings until earlier this year.

No, but his comment was about the WJC, which is what I addressed.

I've been extremely clear about that fact in this thread.

No, but his comment was about the WJC, which is what I addressed.

I've been extremely clear about that fact in this thread.

canada is the better hockey nation, hands down.

canada is the better hockey nation, hands down.

No it´s because they care about hockey most and have most registred players.

No it´s because they care about hockey most and have most registred players.

which makes them the best hockey nation, even as a sweden i do admit that.

which makes them the best hockey nation, even as a sweden i do admit that.
Well since 1990 Sweden have 6 major titles(WC and OG) and Canada have 6 titles and even Czech have 6 titles! YEEEEEEEEES, the are the best hockey nation!!! NO, actually with so many registred players , they should do much better if the are the best hockey nation!

Well since 1990 Sweden have 6 major titles(WC and OG) and Canada have 6 titles and even Czech have 6 titles! YEEEEEEEEES, the are the best hockey nation!!! NO, actually with so many registred players , they should do much better if the are the best hockey nation!

If you are going by registered players and counting major tournament victories, than you would definetly have to include Womens World Championships and Olympics, because they do make up a considerable proportion of registered players, and if you're counting them than its somewhat of a landslide.

If you're not counting them, then you might as well ignore registered players. Just saying. :)

No it´s because they care about hockey most and have most registred players.

You do realize 1981 was the only year that Sweden has won a WJC right? Finland has 2 Golds (although in '87 we they were granted the Gold when Canada was disqualified for you know what) and Sweden is just now starting to come back as a threat in the hockey world. Remember the '90s when they never beat Canada? And they were always silver? That looks good compared to the '00s when they didnt play in the Gold Medal game until 2008. Even the Sedins got shellacked 6-1 in the '99 WJC semis.

Sweden was a good team last year and might be better this year, but keep in mind Canada has a few weapons on their side.
#1 Quinn is the coach not Hartsburg. That alone is an upgrade as Hartsburg was badly outcoached in the last 2 WJC
#2 Tavares is a year older, and contrary to sometimes popular belief, is the favourite in the 2009 draft
#3 Canada is playing on home soil, which is like a 4th forward out there

Sweden and Canada just might face off in the Gold Medal game, but history is against Sweden doing that

About the JWC, It's a bit now or "never"* for Sweden this or next year, when Markström, Hedman and Svensson-Pääjärvi & co is either overaged or playing in the NHL I think Sweden will maybe have a hard time to reach the finals again (a guess soley based on the fact that Sweden has that good juniors not very often, however you never know).

*more like "for quite a while"

Sweden has been able to produce solid players, their main problem was producing goalies who didn't completely suck ass. Before Lundqvist they had crap of le crap for a goalkeeper.

The most impressive part of Canada's domination at the WJC is that we consistently ice a team lacking many stars. Off the top of my head, some players who didn't or won't play when they could are:

Sidney Crosby
Luke Schenn
Andrew Cogliano
Sam Gagner
Patrice Bergeron
David Perron
Kyle Turris

And the list goes on. Canada would always win gold if we iced a full team.

sweden was for last 2 decades definitely much better team than russia and together with canada, partially czechs, dominated in the international hockey. russia won just 1 championship in the last 15 years, no olympics or world cup title.

sweden was for last 2 decades definitely much better team than russia and together with canada, partially czechs, dominated in the international hockey. russia won just 1 championship in the last 15 years, no olympics or world cup title.

nice nickname, dude

The most impressive part of Canada's domination at the WJC is that we consistently ice a team lacking many stars. Off the top of my head, some players who didn't or won't play when they could are:

Sidney Crosby
Luke Schenn
Andrew Cogliano
Sam Gagner
Patrice Bergeron
David Perron
Kyle Turris

And the list goes on. Canada would always win gold if we iced a full team.

you must be joking or just another don cherry fanboy:sarcasm::D

you must be joking or just another don cherry fanboy:sarcasm::D

He's right that year after year Canada misses a ton of talent in the NHL, whether or not it would result in gold year after year is pretty much just heresay.

You do realize 1981 was the only year that Sweden has won a WJC right? Finland has 2 Golds (although in '87 we they were granted the Gold when Canada was disqualified for you know what) and Sweden is just now starting to come back as a threat in the hockey world. Remember the '90s when they never beat Canada? And they were always silver? That looks good compared to the '00s when they didnt play in the Gold Medal game until 2008. Even the Sedins got shellacked 6-1 in the '99 WJC semis.

Sweden was a good team last year and might be better this year, but keep in mind Canada has a few weapons on their side.
#1 Quinn is the coach not Hartsburg. That alone is an upgrade as Hartsburg was badly outcoached in the last 2 WJC
#2 Tavares is a year older, and contrary to sometimes popular belief, is the favourite in the 2009 draft
#3 Canada is playing on home soil, which is like a 4th forward out there

Sweden and Canada just might face off in the Gold Medal game, but history is against Sweden doing that

1. Well let's see if Quinn if much better than Hartsburg. A question: Did Canada choose Hartsburg as their coach because his bad????

2. Is Tavares the favorite to the draft 2009??? No is ONE of the favorites. Sweden has HEDMAN who will fight for the top pick! Close race between them! Don't forget MSP who is EXCELLENT so far in SEL!

3. Well home soil isn't a very good thing. Remember WCH 2008???? Russia won not Canada.

4. Sweden will have a better team this year.

The one who don't see Sweden as a threat in WJC 2009 is very arrogant.

Canada vs. Sweden ? Boring. Wake me up when it's over. Russia = ratings, that's why all the neutrals watch us.

Canada the best hockey nation ? nah. Russia has more trophies, no country has influenced the game more than us, we're renowned for our beautiful hockey and oh yea....no team can match our mystique.

Canada the best hockey nation ? nah. Russia has more trophies, no country has influenced the game more than us, we're renowned for our beautiful hockey and oh yea....no team can match our mystique.

Little love for the Canada? Even lil'? I mean afterall they invented the game. :sarcasm: We wouldn't be here talking about hockey without the canadians since such sport wouldn't even excist.

Little love for the Canada? Even lil'? I mean afterall they invented the game. :sarcasm: We wouldn't be here talking about hockey without the canadians since such sport wouldn't even excist.

Well, the English invented football. And they never get any love. In fact they're the most ridiculed football nation in the world.

Well, the English invented football. And they never get any love. In fact they're the most ridiculed football nation in the world.

I don't think it was Canada that was ridiculed in international hockey over the last 15 years or so.

It must have been sweet relief last year.

But hey, even a blind monkey finds its way now and then.

My lifetime has seen so much winning by Canada, it's quite astonishing.

Something English football fans couldn't possibly understand.

It must have been sweet relief last year.

oh yeah it was...especially because we made Canadian fans silent...:naughty:

Canada vs. Sweden ? Boring. Wake me up when it's over. Russia = ratings, that's why all the neutrals watch us.

Canada the best hockey nation ? nah. Russia has more trophies, no country has influenced the game more than us, we're renowned for our beautiful hockey and oh yea....no team can match our mystique.

All neutrals watch at Russia?? Now you hype yourself again. What's mystique? The mystique about how Russia can be so boring???:laugh:


Russia most trophies???? Uhhhhh?

Olympic and WCH since 1993(when todays Russia start to play)

Canada: 6 golds
Czech R: 6 golds
Sweden: 4 golds
Russia: 2 golds
Slovakia: 1 gold
Finland: 1 gold

Well continue to fool yourself. :biglaugh:

All neutrals watch at Russia?? Now you hype yourself again. What's mystique? The mystique about how Russia can be so boring???:laugh:


Russia most trophies???? Uhhhhh?

Olympic and WCH since 1993(when todays Russia start to play)

Canada: 6 golds
Czech R: 6 golds
Sweden: 4 golds
Russia: 2 golds
Slovakia: 1 gold
Finland: 1 gold

Well continue to fool yourself. :biglaugh:

I included the Soviet Union buddy. I give you credit for your two Oyympic wins, screw the world championships.

Mystique is something you have or you don't have. It's reverence and mystery mixed into one.

Russia has mystique because of the Soviet days, our style of play, our underachieving over the last 15 years, and the " Will Russia win or will they choke?" factor.

Russia's NT is emotional, exciting, and talented as all hell. Unique entity in the hockey world, and a perfect foil to every other team.

I don't think it was Canada that was ridiculed in international hockey over the last 15 years or so.

It must have been sweet relief last year.

But hey, even a blind monkey finds its way now and then.

My lifetime has seen so much winning by Canada, it's quite astonishing.

Something English football fans couldn't possibly understand.

That's not the point I was making. The man mentioned how you invented hockey, that means nothing to me. Canada's a great hockey nation but I don't like Canadian hockey, apart from the fighting.

I included the Soviet Union buddy. I give you credit for your two Oyympic wins, screw the world championships.

Mystique is something you have or you don't have. It's reverence and mystery mixed into one.

Russia has mystique because of the Soviet days, our style of play, our underachieving over the last 15 years, and the " Will Russia win or will they choke?" factor.

Russia's NT is emotional, exciting, and talented as all hell. Unique entity in the hockey world, and a perfect foil to every other team.

Soviet Union is in the past!

Today's Russia isn't even nearly as good as the old Soviet team. Czech Republic, Finland and Canada are much bigger threat than Russia.
If Russia is so talented why you have only two major victories???:laugh:

Sorry but Russia isn't more talented and exciting than the other teams. Russia need to learn play as a TEAM. Sorry, but you hype your Russian team too much. Wake up Canada, Sweden and Czech Republic are much better the last 15 years..

Tell me when Russia lost to Finland with 4-0 it was because Russia is more exciting and talented than the finnish team? Russia even lost to Finland in your own home tournament of WCH.:laugh:

Yes we want to beat Canada! Ohh it´s soooo sweet to beat the Canadians. But Sweden´s biggest rival is FINLAND! Damn what we hate Finland in hochey...

luckily for the swedes theré often winning:D