http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=384229

Interesting.

:(

Sean deserved better than to be sent to LA to wind up his career. What I've seen of Klee doesn't really justify keeping him over O'Donnell, but whatever. Thanks for everything.

Very interesting. At first I was kind of upset because I like O'Donnell. He's always been a reliable defenseman. But hopefully this means that one of the young'uns is ready to step up. Maybe Carlyle and Burke have a lot of confidence in Mikkelson or Salcido.

Mikkelson and Salcido have already been demoted.

Mikkelson and Salcido have already been demoted.

Aw dammit you're right. I missed that. So that means that Klee is the only other dman we've got to fill in then right?

Maybe Festerling, who clocks in at under 500k.

I don't think O'Donnell is too upset that he's going to stay in Southern California. He doesn't have to change his workout routine or surf spot.

Aw dammit you're right. I missed that. So that means that Klee is the only other dman we've got to fill in then right?
Klee and Festerling. Also Evans, who seems like a solid enough #7/8.

The Kings should have just traded a 7th or future considerations for Schneider and been done with it. OD doesn't help them score (after losing Visnovsky and Blake) even though he his a lefty. And his salary isn't enough to get them comfortably over the floor (they have a lot of rookie bonuses that won't be made), not giving them enough leverage with O'Sullivan. It also would have helped us so we didn't have to trade OD for Klee.

Although I did say at the time that the addition of Klee made OD expendable, it still sucks. They're pretty equal, but OD is the one with proven chemistry with Pronger.


I wonder what conditional means. Can't they give the slightest bit more information? Like "conditional worth as much as a ____."

I don't think O'Donnell is too upset that he's going to stay in Southern California. He doesn't have to change his workout routine or surf spot.

He might not like going from a contender to a bottom-feeder, though. I wish we could've kept him, but I guess this is the way it had to be done. Hopefully Klee/Montador/Festerling/Evans/whoever can replace the void left.

He might not like going from a contender to a bottom-feeder, though. I wish we could've kept him, but I guess this is the way it had to be done. Hopefully Klee/Montador/Festerling/Evans/whoever can replace the void left.

He won the cup before so whatever,haha.....he is an old dude in the last yr of his career likely........so atleast they kept him on the West coast...............

Good news is I guess Ryan made the team.

He might not like going from a contender to a bottom-feeder, though. I wish we could've kept him, but I guess this is the way it had to be done. Hopefully Klee/Montador/Festerling/Evans/whoever can replace the void left.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Montador already filling the void left by Schneider? As I see it, we've got Neids, Prongs, Beauch and Huskins. That leaves the bottom two spots and I'm pretty sure Montador takes the next spot. So that means Klee (or possibly Festerling, though I always thought Salcido and Mikkelson were considered better than Festerling).

BTW, anyone think maybe O'Donnell was one of the ones Carlyle was talking about when he said he wasn't pleased with some of the Ducks' performance? Maybe OD wasn't playing how Carlyle wanted so they dished him to grab some cap space and solve whatever problem there was. Any thoughts?

I don't really like this trade. We have a few players I would much rather have seen traded than O'donnell.

Kings didn't need someone to score from the blueline, they needed someone to cover Doughty's ass and let him do his thing. O'Donnell provides that. He gets to stay home and his salary is much more managable for the Kings.

Is it really that easy?

The Kings needed both an O guy and a D guy. But I figured if you're asking for a left shot guy, you'd want someone who scored. If all you want is a babysitter, it doesn't matter much which hand you shoot with.

:laugh:

classic!

Per Dan Woods it's a third rounder if OD gets traded before the deadline and nothing if he sticks around all year.

I'll miss OD but this was coming. This just shows Burke's commitment to his players. The Kings may be one of the worst team's in the league but at least he doesn't have to move and he'll get to be a mentor with those young d-men.

I hate to see him go, he was extremely solid for the Ducks. Much, much better than folks gave him credit for on his way in. He did everything asked of him. That said, with Montador and Klee in the mix, and the need to start bringing along the kids on the blue line, he was certainly expendable.

I think LA is the best destination for him personally. Doesn't have to uproot his life, goes to a team where he'll have a defined role, and that should be a good bit of fun to play with despite the losses. He won one Cup, and now has the opportunity to play out the string while grooming some youngsters. Not terrible.

What's the effect on the cap?

I don't think O'Donnell is too upset that he's going to stay in Southern California. He doesn't have to change his workout routine or surf spot.


OD is fine with this.
Writing was on the wall and now he can get good tickets to California Postseason Hockey. :)
All the best to OD - he is a warrior.

Why not Klee?

hopefully we can get him back at the deadline :naughty:

Sean O'Donnell was a true warrior for us and its sad to see him gone. He stuck up for his teammates and I appreciate his contributions.

Why not Klee?

No value, Klee is like a wussed out version of O'Donnell i hope he still gets moved

Sorry to see him go, but another move had to be made.

Remember when the Ducks and Kings don't trade with each other. I guess we don't have much of a rivalry anymore.

hopefully we can get him back at the deadline :naughty:

for a Fourth:sarcasm:

So the condition is that if the Kings trade OD this season we get their 3rd, otherwise the compensation is nothing. Is that right?

edit - http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2008/09/30/ducks-trade-sean-odonnell-to-kings/ Yep.

That's a great deal actually.

im assuming the team will look like this:

ryan-getz-perry
kunitz-morrison-teemu
moen-pahlsson-nieds
carter-marchant-sutherby

klee-pronger
beauch-nieds
huskins-montador

giguere
hiller

scratches: parros, may

extremely sad to see him go. I wonder what this does for the D combos though? Will we see Huskins, Montador, or Festerling on the pairing with Pronger?

extremely sad to see him go. I wonder what this does for the D combos though? Will we see Huskins, Montador, or Festerling on the pairing with Pronger?

they haven't traded klee yet

im assuming the team will look like this:

ryan-getz-perry
kunitz-morrison-teemu
moen-pahlsson-nieds
carter-marchant-sutherby

klee-pronger
beauch-nieds
huskins-montador

giguere
hiller

scratches: parros, may

I really like our forward lines, but man klee having that much ice time kinda worries me. Personally I'd rather see Klee as the 6th/7th defensemen.

I'd say Huskins or Festerling will be paired with Prongs at even strength. OD's skating ability was really underrated. He hasn't lightning fast or anything he could move up the ice real well. Festerling reminds me of a young OD and Huskins has put in his dues.

Why not Klee?

O'Donnell is a left shot and the Kings needed a left shot. It is that and either the Ducks needed a right shot and/or Klee could not be moved. They both have the same salary I think.

Why not Klee?
Possibly to avoid trading a guy who they just acquired. And I doubt Klee has a lot of value.

Also, Klee is a right shot, something we 1 of (Montador). Unless he's slowed down a lot since I last saw him (a couple years ago in Col), Klee is better than Montador.

The only problem is, OD is probably better than Klee. And he plays well with Pronger. Oh well, one of the D had to go, and it's better OD than Beauchemin.

I've got to say, that's one of the more unusual conditional picks I've ever seen. It makes sense, but it's still uncommon. Especially since it can become nothing if he isn't traded. Lindstrom, if he doesn't play at all at the NHL, still costs us a 7th.

Huskins gets moved up. He'll play with Pronger I bet. However, I expect around 30 minutes from Pronger, Niedermayer and Beauchemin, where the rest of the d will be mid to low 20s.

I'm willing to bet large amounts of money that OD wanted to stay in the LA area and Burke once again was being loyal to a true warrior like OD.

Best memory of OD - beating the living **** out of Franzen who acted tough but was soon dropped to earth. Literally.

2nd best memory of OD - beating the living **** out of that wuss Antti Aalto back in the 90's. Yeah, OD was a King back then but I liked it.

I hate to see him go, he was extremely solid for the Ducks. Much, much better than folks gave him credit for on his way in. He did everything asked of him. That said, with Montador and Klee in the mix, and the need to start bringing along the kids on the blue line, he was certainly expendable.

I think LA is the best destination for him personally. Doesn't have to uproot his life, goes to a team where he'll have a defined role, and that should be a good bit of fun to play with despite the losses. He won one Cup, and now has the opportunity to play out the string while grooming some youngsters. Not terrible.

What's the effect on the cap?
I've got to say, I hated the Carney-for-OD swap back when it happened. I thought OD was nothing more than a bottom pairing guy, who was well overpaid to boot (was he making like 1.6 or something?) I knew OD was more physical, but I just wasn't impressed with him when he was a King.

He sure proved me wrong. His main failing is that he can't handle huge minutes. Klee can handle bigger minutes. And he even has a PP assist tonight. More offensive upside! :sarcasm:

Ah man, this sucks. True stand up guy who was solid throughout his time in Anaheim. Im glad they didnt send him far, and he'll be great for the young Kings D as far as teaching them how to be a professional, but Im still sad he had to go. Beauch better step up big time.

I don't like this trade, O'Donnell is a solid defenseman who isn't afraid to fight. I would have rather seen Klee be shipped out but I guess nobody wanted him. Either that or Burke didn't want to trade someone he only just acquired.

Huskins gets moved up. He'll play with Pronger I bet.

This is what I was thinking. They seem like they'd be able to play good complimentary roles, like Scott and Beauch do.

Sad to see Odie go, though. He was consistent as you can be during the cup run. Never showed up on the stat sheet much, but he's as defensively responsible as they come.

It would be nice to re-sign O'donnell when the season is over, but we have some rookies who really need a shot next year.

This sucks balls I thought he was really solid last year........

LOL at OD being the linchpin of our D, and that none of the rookies are near good enough to be a #7. We had Joe DiPenta as a #6 the year we won the Cup. For some reason I'm not worried about having a Festerling/Evans as a #7.


Side note: Klee can play F. Montador can too, although he has stated in the papers that he'd rather focus on D. Any chance we only ice 21 instead of the customary 22?

Side note: Klee can play F. Montador can too, although he has stated in the papers that he'd rather focus on D. Any chance we only ice 21 instead of the customary 22?

That's a possibility. The Ducks have done this before. I think Jason Marshall played both D and O in 05-06.

LOL at OD being the linchpin of our D, and that none of the rookies are near good enough to be a #7. We had Joe DiPenta as a #6 the year we won the Cup. For some reason I'm not worried about having a Festerling/Evans as a #7.


Side note: Klee can play F. Montador can too, although he has stated in the papers that he'd rather focus on D. Any chance we only ice 21 instead of the customary 22?

21 man roster? Which 4 of these guys do you see playing in the AHL for full NHL salary?

Sutherby
May
Parros
Carter
Larsen
Miller

LOL at OD being the linchpin of our D, and that none of the rookies are near good enough to be a #7. We had Joe DiPenta as a #6 the year we won the Cup. For some reason I'm not worried about having a Festerling/Evans as a #7.


I don't understand the reasoning either. I can only chalk it up to the fact that Burke has slid himself relatively unscathed out of a mess that was supposed to be "catastrophic", and some are desperate to continue to view him as backed into a corner.

It's much easier than admitting that this...

ryan-getzlaf-perry
kunitz-morrison-teemu
moen-pahlsson-nieds
carter-marchant-sutherby

klee-pronger
beauch-nieds
huskins-montador

giguere
hiller

...is a roster of a team that SHOULD contend for the conference crown, barring injury or inexplicable failure.

Also, we apparently no longer have a good goaltending tandem :(

Also, we apparently no longer have a good goaltending tandem :(

Well, that much is true. Who wants a Cup-Winning, Conn-Smythe-Winning, Big-Pads-Wearing Frenchie for a starter? And who in the world would want a backup who can be relied upon to give a starter-level performance nearly every time he takes the crease. Screw that noise.

Also, we apparently no longer have a good goaltending tandem :(

You just figured that out? Where have you been?

We've had the worst goaltending in the history of the NHL for years now, we finally got rid of that slouch Bryzgolov. What a waste he was...

Huskins gets moved up. He'll play with Pronger I bet. However, I expect around 30 minutes from Pronger, Niedermayer and Beauchemin, where the rest of the d will be mid to low 20s.

I'm not so sure, maybe but I think we have to keep a stay at home type with a puck moving type.

I consider Huskins a puck moving type although he really isn't, does that make sense?

Nieds=mover Beauch=stay at home
Prong=mover, Klee=SAH
Huskins=mover, Montador?=SAH

It's interesting that OD (and Burke) kind of imply that he's a big part of the Carlyle "unhappy" thing. Since he's being traded, let him fall on the sword and ease the pressure? Seems pretty classy for him to do.

Here's a wacky question. The condition is that the Kings trade him to the Ducks. Could they theoretically trade him back to the Ducks for that same 3rd pick? Probably not. Could they trade him back for the "nullification of the conditional pick"? When Hnidy was traded, the Ducks nullified the option to switch picks from the Chistov trade.

Based on what Burke said, it really sounds like Huskins is in line for Pronger's spot. "If you look at our team last year, I'd say Kent Huskins was one of the most improved players, if not the most improved player," Burke said. "Certainly, we think he's improved to the point where he can handle more minutes and more situations."

The only problem with that is both Klee and Montador are our RH shots. Would they really make the top 2 lines all lefties and the bottom line all righties? That's a little odd. Also as twindad mentions, it balances the pairings a little more. Maybe Festerling/Evans is on the 3rd pairing and one of Klee/Montador is the #7?

It sounds like Burke is pretty high on Festerling now. Quick :razz: to Kevin

Who do people think is the worse Dman? Klee or Montador. Klee played more minutes last season and historically has been the better Dman, but Atlanta had a woeful defense last year so it's not like he succeeded.

21 man roster? Which 4 of these guys do you see playing in the AHL for full NHL salary?

Sutherby
May
Parros
Carter
Larsen
Miller
Miller and Carter are both on 2-ways, so that's a non-issue. The others don't make enough that it is feasible to send them down for full salary, but other teams may also claim them (or even trade for them) as they're decent bottom liners (except for Larsen, who's probably borderline NHL).

Who do people think is the worser Dman? Klee or Montador.

I think Klee is but you can't spell matador without Montador...or something.

I'm not so sure, maybe but I think we have to keep a stay at home type with a puck moving type.

I consider Huskins a puck moving type although he really isn't, does that make sense?

Nieds=mover Beauch=stay at home
Prong=mover, Klee=SAH
Huskins=mover, Montador?=SAH

Well by that rational Husky and Schneids should both be considered puck movers and they were paired together. I think Huskins deserves a chance to play with Pronger. He was far and away the most improved d-man last year. I also think he should start taking some of Frankie's PP time. He scored more points last year with much less ice time.

I'm totally fine with a Klee-Montador pairing. It's no worse having two leftier together.

Miller and Carter are both on 2-ways, so that's a non-issue. The others don't make enough that it is feasible to send them down for full salary, but other teams may also claim them (or even trade for them) as they're decent bottom liners (except for Larsen, who's probably borderline NHL).

Is Carter's new contract 2-way or not?

Miller and Carter are both on 2-ways, so that's a non-issue. The others don't make enough that it is feasible to send them down for full salary, but other teams may also claim them (or even trade for them) as they're decent bottom liners (except for Larsen, who's probably borderline NHL).

Miller is a goner on that I agree. I think Carter is on a 1-way deal, not sure about that though. Anyway he's the best player of the bunch so I figure hes staying in Anaheim. Burke is not going without a heavy so Parros is staying too. May and Sutherby? I'm guessing at least one is staying in Anaheim. I guess Larsen will be makin 500k in Iowa, talk about waste of money. Gettin rid of Marchant would have been so much easier.

I actually have no idea if Carter is on a 1-way or 2-way. The press release doesn't say anything, neither do the papers. It would seem likely that he'd be 2-way for at least the 1st year or so of the contract though. Guys without even a full year in the NHL tend to get 2-ways.

I guess in a way, it probably doesn't matter. He probably will be on the team anyways. I'd certainly rather have him than anybody else on the 4th line, including Marchant. I actually would rather have him on the team than Ryan, if push came to shove.

Well by that rational Husky and Schneids should both be considered puck movers and they were paired together. I think Huskins deserves a chance to play with Pronger. He was far and away the most improved d-man last year. I also think he should start taking some of Frankie's PP time. He scored more points last year with much less ice time.

I'm totally fine with a Klee-Montador pairing. It's no worse having two leftier together.

Yes, but we had the luxury, if you will, of having more puck moving d-men than stay at home type.

I fully agree he deserves a chance to play with Pronger, or shall I say along side of him:D and to take over PP time from Frankie.

It's interesting that OD (and Burke) kind of imply that he's a big part of the Carlyle "unhappy" thing. Since he's being traded, let him fall on the sword and ease the pressure? Seems pretty classy for him to do.

Here's a wacky question. The condition is that the Kings trade him to the Ducks. Could they theoretically trade him back to the Ducks for that same 3rd pick? Probably not. Could they trade him back for the "nullification of the conditional pick"? When Hnidy was traded, the Ducks nullified the option to switch picks from the Chistov trade.

Based on what Burke said, it really sounds like Huskins is in line for Pronger's spot.

The only problem with that is both Klee and Montador are our RH shots. Would they really make the top 2 lines all lefties and the bottom line all righties? That's a little odd. Also as twindad mentions, it balances the pairings a little more. Maybe Festerling/Evans is on the 3rd pairing and one of Klee/Montador is the #7?

It sounds like Burke is pretty high on Festerling now. Quick :razz: to Kevin

Who do people think is the worse Dman? Klee or Montador. Klee played more minutes last season and historically has been the better Dman, but Atlanta had a woeful defense last year so it's not like he succeeded.


Miller and Carter are both on 2-ways, so that's a non-issue. The others don't make enough that it is feasible to send them down for full salary, but other teams may also claim them (or even trade for them) as they're decent bottom liners (except for Larsen, who's probably borderline NHL).

Montador is a pretty good player whos' never really been given a chance to do a whole lot. He's tough, can move and has a good shot i'd like to see him in the lineup.

What's Rick Jackman doing anyways? I thought he played pretty well for us and we opted for Dipenta over him.

I fully agree he deserves a chance to play with Pronger, or shall I say along side of him:D and to take over PP time from Frankie.

Huskins is a good puck mover but is his shot good enough to take over Beauchemins PP time? From what I've seen Huskins shot isn't the best, and while Beachemin misses the net alot he still has rocket.

I am really sad to see OD go. Hopefully things work out well for him in LA. Hopefully this "conditional draft pick" turns into something.

Montador is a pretty good player whos' never really been given a chance to do a whole lot. He's tough, can move and has a good shot i'd like to see him in the lineup.

What's Rick Jackman doing anyways? I thought he played pretty well for us and we opted for Dipenta over him.

Ric signed a deal to play in Europe.

Huskins is a good puck mover but is his shot good enough to take over Beauchemins PP time? From what I've seen Huskins shot isn't the best, and while Beachemin misses the net alot he still has rocket.

If Huskins can hit the net then yes i'd say let him take it.

I actually have no idea if Carter is on a 1-way or 2-way. The press release doesn't say anything, neither do the papers. It would seem likely that he'd be 2-way for at least the 1st year or so of the contract though. Guys without even a full year in the NHL tend to get 2-ways.

I guess in a way, it probably doesn't matter. He probably will be on the team anyways. I'd certainly rather have him than anybody else on the 4th line, including Marchant. I actually would rather have him on the team than Ryan, if push came to shove.

I agree Carter is dam good at what he does. Faceoffs.

I agree Carter is dam good at what he does. Faceoffs.

which is why I would rather have carter play center than marchant.

Huskins is a good puck mover but is his shot good enough to take over Beauchemins PP time? From what I've seen Huskins shot isn't the best, and while Beachemin misses the net alot he still has rocket.

Husky scored twice as many goals as Frankie and you said it Frankie misses the net ALL THE TIME. Husky has performed well on the PP during preseason too so I think he should definitely be considered to take some of Frankie's ice-time.

Huskins is worth giving minutes to if only to watch his periodic Bobby Orr-like rushes up the ice. :laugh:

Huskins is worth giving minutes to if only to watch his periodic Bobby Orr-like rushes up the ice. :laugh:

Seriously! When he started doing that I think everyone's jaw dropped.


"Was THAT Kent Huskins??"

I think Franky's stock is lower than it should be right now. We need some experienced d-men back on the blue line. I vote that we need to keep him on the roster, and if need be, swap him out at the trade deadline as to not lose him in free agency for nothing.

We need some experienced d-men back on the blue line.

Scott, Pronger and Klee aren't enough?

I think Montador is more than capable as a 6th defensemen. I'm assuming dropping O'Donnell over Klee was a money issue, b/c I'd take O'Donnell anyday and he was brought in by Burke to complement thefranchise d-men.

I'm assuming dropping O'Donnell over Klee was a money issue

They've got the exact same cap hit.

They've got the exact same cap hit.

My guess would be he couldn't move Klee.

im assuming the team will look like this:

ryan-getz-perry
kunitz-morrison-teemu
moen-pahlsson-nieds
Parros or May- Carter or Marchant-sutherby

klee-pronger
beauch-nieds
huskins-montador

giguere
hiller

scratches: parros, may
Fixed, this is not a Guy Charron coached wuss team like in the "golden days" There will always be an enforcer in the lineup

My guess would be he couldn't move Klee.

My guess is he didn't care which he moved as long as one was gone. I've got two fives in my wallet... doesn't matter which I spend on lunch.

My guess is he didn't care which he moved as long as one was gone. I've got two fives in my wallet... doesn't matter which I spend on lunch.
If you ask me, one is a five, the other is five dollar store credit. They both cost you five bucks, but most people would choose one over the other.

If you ask me, one is a five, the other is five dollar store credit. They both cost you five bucks, but most people would choose one over the other.

I have to admit I don't quite follow you, which is the credit and why? Both are 37 year-olds making 1.25 mil and will give their team 16-18 decent minutes a game... two fives.

I have to admit I don't quite follow you, which is the credit and why? Both are 37 year-olds making 1.25 mil and will give their team 16-18 decent minutes a game... two fives.

I can see the comparison. We know what OD brings to the table as he has been a very good D partner for PRonger, he knows the system etc.

Klee COULD be the same but we don't know yet, we could get the same return for the five dollar store credit as for the five dollar bill but at this point it's not certain.

I have to admit I don't quite follow you, which is the credit and why? Both are 37 year-olds making 1.25 mil and will give their team 16-18 decent minutes a game... two fives.
Ha, forgot the names. I think OD is the 5, Klee is the credit/gift certificate. OD's probably more valuable to us, just because he knows the system and plays well with Pronger. But I just think that he's better in general, for all teams.

Fixed, this is not a Guy Charron coached wuss team like in the "golden days" There will always be an enforcer in the lineup

If the Ducks bench Carter for Sutherby they are dumb. Right now the 4th line should look like this: Marchant-Carter-Parros/Sutherby/May