Carlyle not happy with Ducks..who is in the doghouse?

From today's OC Register --
For those that have been at the games, who do you think he's referring to?

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2008/09/28/carlyle-not-happy-with-ducks/

It's tough to say since there were 2 games that no one saw. And I only saw 1 game, the last one. But on to baseless speculation!

One possibility based on this game might be whoever was caught up ice to allow "fatty" Wellwood to come in on a 2-on-1 break. I'm not sure who was at fault, but Mikkelson was the one lone D left. Based on ice time, the D-partner was Pronger. Kunitz was the LW for that shift (Wellwood having gone down that side).

We've also had a boatload of penalties, although not as much this game. I didn't pay attention to the games themselves, but were there a lot of "lazy" type penalties? Holding/tripping/hooking/etc? If so, then maybe any repeat offenders in terms of those penalties?

The way he phrases what's wrong, it seems like he's referring to both F ("puck control, the forecheck") and D ("making crisp passes," although that could apply to F too).

I think he is trying to put a fire under everyone's butt really.

However, if he is talking about a specific player or two, it is probably Perry, who is playing well from a goal/points perspective, but lazy as all hell and does not look like he cares.

I'm not sure who he's referring to, but I hope his comments light a fire under Beauchemin. The Ducks will need the old Frankie back, especially with Schneider gone.

I'm not sure who he's referring to, but I hope his comments light a fire under Beauchemin. The Ducks will need the old Frankie back, especially with Schneider gone.
Old Frankie was a great defensive stay-at-home defenseman. He allowed Scotty to jump up and make plays happen.

New Frankie thinks he is Scotty...but he does not have the vision, the puck handling skills, the passing, and most importantly the speed to get back so he is not caught out of position.

I am so surprised Carlyle hasn't beat that out of Beauchemin yet.

Beauchemin and Kunitz are my picks...Both should up their game to make them worth their salaries.

Old Frankie was a great defensive stay-at-home defenseman. He allowed Scotty to jump up and make plays happen.

New Frankie thinks he is Scotty...but he does not have the vision, the puck handling skills, the passing, and most importantly the speed to get back so he is not caught out of position.

I am so surprised Carlyle hasn't beat that out of Beauchemin yet.
I think new Frankie got too caught up reading the trade rumors that teams wanted a puck-moving defenseman and targeted him. Which is why I find those rumormongers hilarious. He then thought "hey, I'm an offensive puck-mover? I better play the part."

I haven't really noticed Beauchemin being good or bad in what little hockey I've seen this year. I do expect him to improve this year, with Scotty being back so he can focus on playing solid defensively and not worry about the offensive game that I think tripped him up.


I do kind of expect that Kunitz was one of the guys Carlyle was talking about. I haven't seen him do a whole lot.

I do kind of expect that Kunitz was one of the guys Carlyle was talking about. I haven't seen him do a whole lot.

Kunitz played pretty hard against Vancouver. Maybe Randy is calling him out the day before especially not giving him at least an A on his jersey.

Old Frankie was a great defensive stay-at-home defenseman. He allowed Scotty to jump up and make plays happen.

New Frankie thinks he is Scotty...but he does not have the vision, the puck handling skills, the passing, and most importantly the speed to get back so he is not caught out of position.

I am so surprised Carlyle hasn't beat that out of Beauchemin yet.

FINALLY SOMEONE REALIZES THIS!

Pronger and Rob Niedermayer......

Pronger and Rob Niedermayer......

This is what I was thinking too, especially Pronger.

I think the problem has been that there haven't been enough cuts yet. The roster is too full right now and our regulars need to start getting into a groove with each other. Last night our first unit PP started showing that because I think that was their first game together. Let the Chops have their players and let's get these Ducks into gear.

New Frankie thinks he is Scotty...but he does not have the vision, the puck handling skills, the passing, and most importantly the speed to get back so he is not caught out of position.

I pretty much disagree with that. The biggest reason for Beauchemin's regression last season was playing too many minutes. He's a much better defenseman at 25-26 minutes than he is at 30+ minutes. MUCH better.

Unfortunately the nights Carlyle leaned on Beauchemin too much, he did it for a reason... injuries, the Neidermayer "holdout", limited depth, etc.

I can't see it being Pronger or Kunitz. These are reliable, hard-working vets. If Carlyle see's a lack of energy, intensity, and focus in these two, I think he pulls them aside in private and talks to them personally. I think it's likely directed more a the kids, perhaps the two D sent down today, Mik and Salcido. Just a guess though, I haven't seen a thing.

I figured it was Perry/Getzlaf also. Both are putting up good numbers so far, but from what I've seen of the two games I saw, they are both playing at 50%. Though I haven't seen much from Kunitz or Pronger either... Hmmm... tough to say.

I'm kind of shocked that Carlyle is saying this though. Certainly this would be unacceptable play during the season, but I always thought the preseason was just like a warmup. Didn't think players were supposed to give it their all, for fear of risking injuries.

I can't see it being Pronger or Kunitz. These are reliable, hard-working vets. If Carlyle see's a lack of energy, intensity, and focus in these two, I think he pulls them aside in private and talks to them personally. I think it's likely directed more a the kids, perhaps the two D sent down today, Mik and Salcido. Just a guess though, I haven't seen a thing.
I dunno. I'm thinking just the opposite. For him to call someone out publicly, I'm thinking it IS a vet of some sort. Someone he expects a lot of who hasn't really followed through. Almost a "remember last year" kind of goading.

I don't really know who that might be though. Just because I haven't really seen enough to make any judgements. When I mentioned Kunitz it was a "I wonder if..." not "I think it's..."

Carlyle is never happy, he's just trying to get the team ready.

I dunno. I'm thinking just the opposite. For him to call someone out publicly, I'm thinking it IS a vet of some sort. Someone he expects a lot of who hasn't really followed through. Almost a "remember last year" kind of goading.

I don't really know who that might be though. Just because I haven't really seen enough to make any judgements. When I mentioned Kunitz it was a "I wonder if..." not "I think it's..."

Yeah, thats a good point. Who knows, really. It's probably a message to the team as a whole, as you said, a "remember last year" sort of thing.

Carlyle is never happy, he's just trying to get the team ready.

This seems different though. He's usually said things like we didn't play or best or there are things we can do better, but I don't remember him ever saying anything like he did publicly. Even though he didn't name names, it seems like he is pretty unhappy with the effort some of the roster players have shown so far in the preseason.

I pretty much disagree with that. The biggest reason for Beauchemin's regression last season was playing too many minutes. He's a much better defenseman at 25-26 minutes than he is at 30+ minutes. MUCH better.

Unfortunately the nights Carlyle leaned on Beauchemin too much, he did it for a reason... injuries, the Neidermayer "holdout", limited depth, etc.
I wish that was true...but it is not.

Being caught out of position because he jumped up into the rush, even in the 1st period of play, has nothing to do with playing minutes. Scotty gets away with this because he has the speed to get back before it hurts us, Beauchemin doesn't.

Last season was a learning experience for Carlyle, too. Maybe he feels he gave the vets a bit too much leeway in elevating their play on their own.

I wish that was true...but it is not.

Being caught out of position because he jumped up into the rush, even in the 1st period of play, has nothing to do with playing minutes. Scotty gets away with this because he has the speed to get back before it hurts us, Beauchemin doesn't.

Imagine that, I still don't agree :D

Last season was a learning experience for Carlyle, too. Maybe he feels he gave the vets a bit too much leeway in elevating their play on their own.

I think that absolutely has a lot to do with. The organization is putting everyone under more pressure to succeed this season, and Carlyle is no different.

I think he's upset with Perry. He's always upset with Perry.

He could score 50 goals, 70 assists, have a 100 +/- , cure cancer, and Carlyle would get all over him after the first hooking penalty he takes in the offensive zone.

I think he's upset with Perry. He's always upset with Perry.

He could score 50 goals, 70 assists, have a 100 +/- , cure cancer, and Carlyle would get all over him after the first hooking penalty he takes in the offensive zone.

He'd be a great coach for NHL 09 be a pro, where my player obliterates Gretzky's goal record and scores 135 goals in a season only to go pointless in ONE game and be demoted to the second line...

Seriously though, I must agree (as i almost always do) with haha that he's just lighting a fire and reacting to the team being too passive and getting away with too much last season.

He's going to cause a **** storm whenever he needs to this year, to help remind the players what relentlessness feels like.

Turns out it was the veterans Carlyle was cheesed at:

"I spoke to Randy the other day about that, and I acknowledged that," O'Donnell said. "We had an older group of guys in Anaheim, and I think most of the guys realize Game 1 is Oct. 9 against San Jose. I guess the philosophy of some of the guys, myself included, was that you do what you have to do in training camp to get yourself ready for Oct. 9.
"After the things that happened last year, Anaheim wanted to get back on track as soon as possible, and they didn't feel like some of the veterans, myself included, were far enough along in the process. They made that be known."

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-donnell-guys-2175319-cap-camp

carlyle is great with younger players I think, just the way he always expects more from them and has the balls to bench our leading goal scorer for taking a dumb penalty is somthing I admire about him.

I wonder if he had Perry tell O'Donnell he was gonna get it.