http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=383851

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2008/09/28/selanne-signs-to-play-immediately/#more-1158
Right wing Teemu Selanne is scheduled to be in the Ducks’ lineup for Sunday’s 5 p.m. exhibition game against the Vancouver Canucks at Honda Center after signing a two-year, $5.25 million contract earlier in the day.

Works out to about 2.6 million dollars a year...an incredible steal for a player of his caliber.

this is a great contract. couldnt be happier

You knew it was coming. Still, I could eat my own face with excitement.

Sweet.

Insert snide comment about Vancouver and "6-10 million dollars" here.

Insert 2nd snide comment about Burke and "ZOMG, 14 UFAS!" here.

Insert 3rd snarky comment Montreal and Koivu here.


So Teemu wasn't kidding when he talked about wanting a 2 year contract. Must be the Olympics. Another thing to note is that now he should knock out the snake for the all-time club assists record as well. 5 more to tie, 6 to hold sole place.

It's good to get him signed before he plays the exhibition game. Otherwise, it's really unfair for him in case he gets hurt.

That's a bargain, although it puts us back over the cap and back into a corner. Possibly by ~2.3 million, although the Ducks seem to think it puts them over by 1.225 million. Hmm, Frankie makes 1.65, and Marchant recall waived saves us ~1.25.

Negative cap impact aside, I'm still ecstatic. You treat your star, franchise players first, and worry about the other stuff later.

edit: Whoa, Russia offered him 10 million tax free? I never heard about that.

Wow, I'm ecstatic! Great news. And it shows the tremendous comittment on the part of Selanne to forego a bunch of money to come back and just play. Not surprising at all from one of the world's truly great atheletes.

I've been waiting for this thread to make my return!

Awesome he's finally ON the books.

yes! yessssss!

Add another WOOT! from me. Great to have him back blah blah blah.

YESSS!!! this is a great way to come back on these forums after a long vacation! :)

WOW, It was well known he would take a discount to stay in Anaheim, but this is almost a unheard of discount.

Props to Teemu for not caving to pressure or greed. Definatly a 1st ballott HOFer

I need a new jersey... = ) Teemu... I'll support you! ha

WOW, It was well known he would take a discount to stay in Anaheim, but this is almost a unheard of discount.

Props to Teemu for not caving to pressure or greed. Definatly a 1st ballott HOFer
It's a huge discount, much bigger than I expected. I was thinking 3-4 million, which already is like 40% off for a player of his caliber.



Question for everybody related to Selanne and the cap and trading. Now we obviously have to move some guys, as we're over cap again. I'm wondering what position do you think is more advantageous in terms of being able to maximize trade values.

Is it better to have not signed Selanne? In that case we're under cap, so other GMs don't really have Burke in as much of a corner. If Burke wants, he could just not make a move and he'd be fine, so he's got leverage there. On the other hand, everybody and his mother knew that Burke was going to move guys to try to sign Selanne. So maybe they offer less for any of the 5 gazillion 4th liners we need to move.

In signing Selanne, we're now back over the cap. So other GMs KNOW he needs to make a move. We don't have the option of holding out for better offers (well we do, but only if they waive a guy and bury him in the minors, or send down Ryan). On the other hand, Selanne signed for way cheap, so other GMs know that it's not like we have to move 4 million dollars. And it's not like other GMs will worry about helping Burke because they don't want the Ducks to add Selanne, he's already been added for cheap. Maybe that can flush out some offers?

When Selanne signs....take a drink. When he signs for under 3M....many drinks.

I love it. When I first logged into the ducks website I was like o Teemu is gonna be watching tonight game and then i clicked and Jump up and down in excitment

I hope Teemu comes back for next year but I have a feeling the two year deal only allows the Ducks to circumvent the salary cap. We don't know what's going to happen to the CBA and if we have another lockout, it might be the end for many of our vets.

Question for everybody related to Selanne and the cap and trading. Now we obviously have to move some guys, as we're over cap again. I'm wondering what position do you think is more advantageous in terms of being able to maximize trade values.

Is it better to have not signed Selanne? In that case we're under cap, so other GMs don't really have Burke in as much of a corner. If Burke wants, he could just not make a move and he'd be fine, so he's got leverage there. On the other hand, everybody and his mother knew that Burke was going to move guys to try to sign Selanne. So maybe they offer less for any of the 5 gazillion 4th liners we need to move.

In signing Selanne, we're now back over the cap. So other GMs KNOW he needs to make a move. We don't have the option of holding out for better offers (well we do, but only if they waive a guy and bury him in the minors, or send down Ryan). On the other hand, Selanne signed for way cheap, so other GMs know that it's not like we have to move 4 million dollars. And it's not like other GMs will worry about helping Burke because they don't want the Ducks to add Selanne, he's already been added for cheap. Maybe that can flush out some offers?

It may handcuff us in terms of other teams' GMs taking advantage of our situation, but regardless it sort of needed to be done. Burke mentioned that he wanted to get Selanne into some preseason games in order to get him up to speed and all, and it really isn't fair and is too risky to let him play without signing him first. I like the deal, especially because, as you mentioned, we can always bump someone down like Ryan to make room. Hopefully they won't have to resort to that though because the Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry line was very dominant in the first preseason game, and that was when Getzlaf and Perry were only half trying. It would be great to have the line together all season. We'll see what happens.

THANK YOU TEEMU FOR SIGNING WITH US AGAIN!!! WE LOVE YOU HERE IN ANAHEIM. :handclap: :handclap: :handclap:

I wanna go give Selanne a kiss. What a ****ing great guy.

I wanna go give Selanne a kiss. What a ****ing great guy.

These words are an understatement, but I agree.

It may handcuff us in terms of other teams' GMs taking advantage of our situation, but regardless it sort of needed to be done. Burke mentioned that he wanted to get Selanne into some preseason games in order to get him up to speed and all, and it really isn't fair and is too risky to let him play without signing him first. I like the deal, especially because, as you mentioned, we can always bump someone down like Ryan to make room. Hopefully they won't have to resort to that though because the Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry line was very dominant in the first preseason game, and that was when Getzlaf and Perry were only half trying. It would be great to have the line together all season. We'll see what happens.

THANK YOU TEEMU FOR SIGNING WITH US AGAIN!!! WE LOVE YOU HERE IN ANAHEIM. :handclap: :handclap: :handclap:
Yeah it certainly needed to be done, as I mentioned earlier you take care of your stars first.

I was just wondering for academic purposes.


Interesting tidbit from mrsb at AD, she says that Selanne actually wanted a 3 year contract.

Teemu had to be signed first so Burke knew how much money he'd have to move. Now that he has an exact number isolating which player(s) to move will be simple.

Glad to see Teemu officially back in the fold. He looked great out there tonight. I can't believe we're getting him for two more years! The best team player in any sport right now, hands down.

Party time! Teemu is GREAT!

Yay!!!:D

Teemu's cap hit is a bit more than half of Penner's.

Awesome! Just awesome! :handclap:

soooooooooo are they not over the cap again,haha

I guess they can send the kid down again........but Ryan needs to play already

Marchant gondie?

teams like Atlanta who got Schneider and others under the cap can just sit around and pick up some pieces that have to go

Watch Nylander, McLaren, Aucoin go real soon

Teemu's cap hit is a bit more than half of Penner's.

And less than half of Schneiders. Differant GMs have to overpay certain tpes of players for different reasons.

Lowe gave Penner a RFA offer sheet and had to overpay a bit to make Burkes decision harder. Penner may very well prove to be worth what Lowe gave up to get him from Anaheim. Averaging 2 goals a season and being 2nd on the team in hits would probably fetch 4 million+ on the UFA market.

Burke overpaid for Schneider both in $ and years and he had to take on three contracts from Atlanta that they were looking to dump. However Burke didnt know if Neidermayer was coming back and knew he needed a puck moving, PP Dman so he cant be faulted for that deal much, as he really didn't give up anything besides cap space to get him.

Selanne's contract is probably the biggest "home town discount" in recent history and it is very foolish of you to compare it to Penners. Very diffferent players at very different times in their career signing with teams in very different situations.

Averaging 2 goals a season and being 2nd on the team in hits would probably fetch 4 million+ on the UFA market.

Jeff Finger agrees.

That whoosh sound you heard was someone just falling face first into a trap.

And less than half of Schneiders. Differant GMs have to overpay certain tpes of players for different reasons.

Lowe gave Penner a RFA offer sheet and had to overpay a bit to make Burkes decision harder. Penner may very well prove to be worth what Lowe gave up to get him from Anaheim. Averaging 2 goals a season and being 2nd on the team in hits would probably fetch 4 million+ on the UFA market.

Burke overpaid for Schneider both in $ and years and he had to take on three contracts from Atlanta that they were looking to dump. However Burke didnt know if Neidermayer was coming back and knew he needed a puck moving, PP Dman so he cant be faulted for that deal much, as he really didn't give up anything besides cap space to get him.

Selanne's contract is probably the biggest "home town discount" in recent history and it is very foolish of you to compare it to Penners. Very diffferent players at very different times in their career signing with teams in very different situations.


Say they overpaid by say 10% to outprice Burke. These are the left wings that make in excess of $3.8m/year

Kovalchuk
Vanek
Havlat
Smyth
Nash / Huselius
Morrow / Lehtinen
Cole
Gaborik
Tanguay
Erat
Naslund
Heatley
Gagne
Kariya / Tkachuk
Malone
Blake
Ovechkin / Semin

That's 22, even if you say there was a 10% overpayment. If you can name one that you would rather have Penner than then fair play.

He was 37th in points per game for left wings (of those who played at least 41 games). He was 44th in Even strength points for left wings despite regularly getting top line minutes.

Personally i quite like the guy and the game he plays but i'm more than glad we didn't touch that contract and he will have to pick it up quite a lot to ever make that contract worth it.

Plus i don't think the metion of the two contracts in the same thread were a direct comparison putting down Penner or mentioned naively thinking both deals were done in the same circumstances, it just further shows what a fantastic bargain we have been fortunate enough to recieve

That whoosh sound you heard was someone just falling face first into a trap.
All I had to do was click refresh. It's like magic.

Jeff Finger agrees.

lol :laugh:

averaged 26 goals

All I had to do was click refresh. It's like magic.

three and a hlf hours to hit refresh, you sure are quick:handclap:

Say they overpaid by say 10% to outprice Burke. These are the left wings that make in excess of $3.8m/year

Kovalchuk no
Vanek no
Havlat yes
Smyth yes
Nash no / Huselius YES
Morrow / Lehtinen both no
Cole no
Gaborik no
Tanguay not right now, but in 2 years for sure
Erat maybe, small skilled players are a lot more common
Naslund yes
Heatley no
Gagne no, if he returns to form
Kariya no/ Tkachuk yes
Malone no
Blake yes
Ovechkin / Semin both no

That's 22, even if you say there was a 10% overpayment. If you can name one that you would rather have Penner than then fair play.

He was 37th in points per game for left wings (of those who played at least 41 games). He was 44th in Even strength points for left wings despite regularly getting top line minutes.

Personally i quite like the guy and the game he plays but i'm more than glad we didn't touch that contract and he will have to pick it up quite a lot to ever make that contract worth it.

Plus i don't think the metion of the two contracts in the same thread were a direct comparison putting down Penner or mentioned naively thinking both deals were done in the same circumstances, it just further shows what a fantastic bargain we have been fortunate enough to recieve


Thats 6 players from your list who I would rather have Penner than.


Who said 10%? Maybe he was over paid by 20% last year but maybe he will be underpaid by 20% in the last few years of the deal, or maybe he will be traded for picks/prospects who turn out better than the picks the Ducks got for him. It will be a much debated signing for 4-5 more years, trying to pick a winner right now is not possible, as both teams look like winners right now. Ducks cleared cap space, stocked a fairly bare with prospects, and the Oilers filled cap room and picked up the 37th best ppg left winger in the league on an off year.

Anyways Im soooo done debating the Penner deal as it is like we have both said it is irrelavent to Selanne's contract, and want to congratulate the Ducks on being o fortunate to have a player/person like Selanne in you r organization, especially for that price.

Gotta love when a plan comes together and yes, he will have his jersey retired in Anaheim after he retires. :)

I'm glad he'll be playing for 2 years... that means it won't be until the 2010/2011 season when his jersey is retired. I want to be at that game and by then I should move back down to Souther Cali!

lol :laugh:

averaged 26 goals

You said 2 goals and lots of hits. I think that's a fair Jeff Finger assessment.

the Oilers filled cap room and picked up the 37th best ppg left winger in the league on an off year.


Zuh? Off year? It was his 2nd full season in the league and had basically the same exact year 2 as he did in full year 1. An outlier is a fluke, carbon copies are trends.

Zuh? Off year? It was his 2nd full season in the league and had basically the same exact year 2 as he did in full year 1. An outlier is a fluke, carbon copies are trends.
But you're forgetting that Penner drastically improved last year! Never mind that he had deproved so much in the offseason that his improvement just brought him back to where he was before.

At that rate his contract is going to be a bargain!

But you're forgetting that Penner drastically improved last year! Never mind that he had deproved so much in the offseason that his improvement just brought him back to where he was before.

At that rate his contract is going to be a bargain!

He must have improved. So much so it looks like he will be on the third line this year, as opposed to the first line this time last year!

But you're forgetting that Penner drastically improved last year! Never mind that he had deproved so much in the offseason that his improvement just brought him back to where he was before.

At that rate his contract is going to be a bargain!

I really dislike poking fun at Penner and his contract mainly because I still feel a little bad for the big lug. Anybody would have taken that deal honestly, however he was able to fly under the radar here and with big moneys and big markets come big responsibility. Ultimately it's not really his fault that he's being paid to be something he's not. However, Edmonton fans always seem to swing by to quip about Bertuzzi et al, so by all means....enjoy.

I really dislike poking fun at Penner and his contract mainly because I still feel a little bad for the big lug. Anybody would have taken that deal honestly, however he was able to fly under the radar here and with big moneys and big markets come big responsibility. Ultimately it's not really his fault that he's being paid to be something he's not. However, Edmonton fans always seem to swing by to quip about Bertuzzi et al, so by all means....enjoy.
Yeah I like Penner, and don't blame him at all. How can you turn down crazy money? Just like how I don't blame Bertuzzi for signing his contract (although I do blame him for sucking and not trying after the contract).

I do, on the other hand, like to poke fun at the more homeriffic Oilers fans who make all sorts of lame excuses and claims.

Yeah I like Penner, and don't blame him at all. How can you turn down crazy money? Just like how I don't blame Bertuzzi for signing his contract (although I do blame him for sucking and not trying after the contract).

I do, on the other hand, like to poke fun at the more homeriffic Oilers fans who make all sorts of lame excuses and claims.
Well the spin is coming fast and furious about Penner being on the Oilers 3rd line, he's not going to put up that many points with Moreau and Pisani.

Going from Getzlaf and Perry to those two...ouch

Well the spin is coming fast and furious about Penner being on the Oilers 3rd line, he's not going to put up that many points with Moreau and Pisani.

Going from Getzlaf and Perry to those two...ouch

Well didn't silly Ducks fans know that it was Penner who made Getzlaf and Perry good players, not the other way around?:sarcasm:

Yeah it certainly needed to be done, as I mentioned earlier you take care of your stars first.

I was just wondering for academic purposes.


Interesting tidbit from mrsb at AD, she says that Selanne actually wanted a 3 year contract.

That's what Burke said, but Teemu said Burke must have dreamed that.

According to finnish MTV3 Selänne got a huge one year 10 million $ net offer from KHL team SKA St. Petersburg...he wasn't interested :laugh:

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/jaakiekko/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/jaakiekko/2008/10/725064

According to finnish MTV3 Selänne got a huge one year 10 million $ net offer from KHL team SKA St. Petersburg...he wasn't interested :laugh:

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/jaakiekko/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/jaakiekko/2008/10/725064

that's show's whakt kind of person teemu is

big big class player and man

teemu you rock :yo: