Schneider traded to ATL for Ken Klee, Brad Larsen, and Chad Painchaud

http://thrashers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=383559

not a bad deal under the circumstances.

ahahahahahaha. No Ryan, no 1st round pick whaaaaaa? Mwhaahahahahhahahahha. 2 guys back who are UFA and make peanuts....ahahahahahaha.

aghh finally the end of checking every couple of hours to see if a deals been made.. let's sign selanne and get this season going already.

ahahahahahaha. No Ryan, no 1st round pick whaaaaaa? Mwhaahahahahhahahahha. 2 guys back who are UFA and make peanuts....ahahahahahaha.

Yeah, some of things being thrown around on here were beyond ridiculous.

So who goes now? Try to trade Klee? Marchant? Send Ryan down?

ahahahahahaha. No Ryan, no 1st round pick whaaaaaa? Mwhaahahahahhahahahha. 2 guys back who are UFA and make peanuts....ahahahahahaha.

Why is this deal so funny? Both teams got what they wanted. The ducks rid themselves of enough salary to sign Selanne and were able to keep Ryan (and the rest of the team) intact. The Thrasher picked up a very good Offensive D-man. What's to laugh about?

what's the players coming back contracts? Are they NHL players?

Personally I'm just relieved that we didn't have to send Ryan or a draft pick the other way.

Why is this deal so funny? Both teams got what they wanted. The ducks rid themselves of enough salary to sign Selanne and were able to keep Ryan (and the rest of the team) intact. The Thrasher picked up a very good Offensive D-man. What's to laugh about?

he's laughing at the thousands of Burke bashers who said that Burke would have to let go of Ryan or a 1st to unload Schneider.

he's laughing at the thousands of Burke bashers who said that Burke would have to let go of Ryan or a 1st to unload Schneider.

meh whatever..........good move on both parts

Thrashers get a real good veteran and now their D actually looks pretty good...........and they can deal him for something good for the future

Larsen and Klee are spare parts and good for Burke that he got UFA's.......I imagine they still make the team

BUT does this clear enough for Sellanne?.................if not say bye bye to Marchant

Or they can get creative and give him a two year deal with everything they have left and average it out over two years even though his has to be his last
.........teemu saying he wants two more yrs is just a deal he made with Burke cause he knew he would have to do this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so free money for him next yr

Oh yes, Ryan isnt gone and holy sht he managed to hold onto a 2nd round pick for a change.


Though somehow I dont think he is quite done yet...

what's the players coming back contracts? Are they NHL players?

Personally I'm just relieved that we didn't have to send Ryan or a draft pick the other way.

Ken Klee is an NHL player and cannot be waived, he makes 1.25 a year I believe. Larson can be sent down to the AHL, he makes roughly 500K a year.

he's laughing at the thousands of Burke bashers who said that Burke would have to let go of Ryan or a 1st to unload Schneider.

People need to realize this isn't the Selanne solution. This is the "get under the cap" solution. It has nothing to do with signing Selanne, he has not found that money yet.

Something else will be coming down, but the OCR puts it better:

"The net cap savings of $3.84 million is more than enough to offset the approximately $3.05 million the Ducks had been above the NHL’s $56.7 million limit, but more moves will likely have to be made for the club to create enough room to sign unrestricted free-agent right wing Teemu Selanne."

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2008/09/26/ducks-deal-schneider-to-atlanta/

he's laughing at the thousands of Burke bashers who said that Burke would have to let go of Ryan or a 1st to unload Schneider.

yes. it didn't turn out quite as bad as some bashers would have liked.

So are the Ducks under the cap yet? Im guessin they were 2.5 over + Klees 1.25 - Schneiders 5.75 = 2 Millionish in cap space. still not enough to get Selanne signed, but a good deal by Burke and a weird one by waddel considering he could have had Schneider for free a week ago.

edit: 790k in space thanksfor the #'s mistress

So are the Ducks under the cap yet? Im guessin they were 2.5 over + Klees 1.25 - Schneiders 5.75 = 2 Millionish in cap space. still not enough to get Selanne signed, but a good deal by Burke and a weird one by waddel considering he could have had Schneider for free a week ago.

edit: 790k in space thanksfor the #'s mistress

It's not a weird one for Waddel, you need to understand the capology of NHL.

Had Waddel claimed Schneider off the waivers, he couldn't have traded him at the deadline without offering him to other possible waiver teams (he didn't know whether there was any) first. Also he was able to shed Klee's and Larsen's contracts off his books by trading them for Schneider.

So are the Ducks under the cap yet? Im guessin they were 2.5 over + Klees 1.25 - Schneiders 5.75 = 2 Millionish in cap space. still not enough to get Selanne signed, but a good deal by Burke and a weird one by waddel considering he could have had Schneider for free a week ago.

edit: 790k in space thanksfor the #'s mistress

Will it be more if we send the other guy down as well?

So what are you guys going to do with your 10 4th liners...?

May, Parros, Sutherby, Miller, Marchant and Larsen.....

So what are you guys going to do with your 10 4th liners...?

May, Parros, Sutherby, Miller, Marchant and Larsen.....

Apparantly they will all be sent down to the AHL to make space for Teemu:sarcasm:

It's not a weird one for Waddel, you need to understand the capology of NHL.

Had Waddel claimed Schneider off the waivers, he couldn't have traded him at the deadline without offering him to other possible waiver teams (he didn't know whether there was any) first. Also he was able to shed Klee's and Larsen's contracts off his books by trading them for Schneider.

Unwanted contracts (3) for one negative asset, I get it. Maybe u should give Burke some lessons on how to manage the cap.

Will it be more if we send the other guy down as well?

Yeah, about $1.14 mil if my math is correct.

Yeah, about $1.14 mil if my math is correct.

Personally I think it's a given that he's sent down. We're stacked at the 4th line as it is: Carter, Parros, May, Marchant, Sutherby, etc...

So what are you guys going to do with your 10 4th liners...?

May, Parros, Sutherby, Miller, Marchant and Larsen.....

May Parros Sutherby Miller & Marchant all coexisted on the team before. We knew coming into this season that there weren't enough spots for all of our forwards. Miller was just re-signed so he'll likely play some AHL for a while or something. May, Parros and Sutherby will have to fight it out for spots throughout the season. Marchant will likely play the 4th line most of the time (unless he's traded for cap room). Larsen probably doesn't have much of a shot. Trade him or send him down (if possible? I'm not too familiar with him and I don't have time to check him out at the moment).

It's kind of a shame too because I really like the way Ryan Carter has been playing. I'd like to see him get more ice time this season, but it doesn't appear to be in the cards right now. I also like Miller. They are two pretty good forwards who happen to be stuck on a team with some VERY talented forwards. I guess they'll have to wait for their time to come.

I am a big Burke basher, but I will give him props on this one, now if my math is correct he will still need to move about 2 mil to sign Salenne, and that should put the Ducks just against the cap. Good job Burkie, see you guys for the second game of the season.

So what are you guys going to do with your 10 4th liners...?

May, Parros, Sutherby, Miller, Marchant and Larsen.....

Larsen,Miller AHL
Marchant next to get traded

May,Sutherby,Parros,Carter are 4th line + extra Forward

The Kings have a pretty tough 4th line :sarcasm:

ahahahahahaha. No Ryan, no 1st round pick whaaaaaa? Mwhaahahahahhahahahha. 2 guys back who are UFA and make peanuts....ahahahahahaha.

get duckies under the cap and the two players can be kicked to the minors and money forgotten about

he's laughing at the thousands of Burke bashers who said that Burke would have to let go of Ryan or a 1st to unload Schneider.

people actually suggested that? in spite of burke having the option of waiving schneider and keeping the picks/prospects?

wow this board is wacky

people actually suggested that? in spite of burke having the option of waiving schneider and keeping the picks/prospects?

wow this board is wacky

ya, people on this board... and bob mckenzie. ****ing ******... usually he is pretty reliable too. Anyway, seems like a good deal for burke and us. I think I can applaud him. Marchant next to go?

Marchant is next.

What are the chances Burke turns around and pawns off Klee for a 6th or something?

Unwanted contracts (3) for one negative asset, I get it. Maybe u should give Burke some lessons on how to manage the cap.

Schneider will improve the Thrashers lineup greatly and can end up being a valuable asset come deadline time. Meanwhile we get the cap space we were looking for, give up no extra assets not even a draft pick and actually get could make this team now or down the road. You're completely reaching if you're trying paint Burke as a loser here.

But what would be better? Honestly, this is better than any deal I thought Burke could get. The only negative is the trasition this makes for Schneider's family but life isn't perfect. But I'm all ears to hear what you think would have been better and don't give me any hindsight crap or things that should have been done a year or eight months ago.

Marchant next to go?

Yeah I think so. It's kind of a shame though. I've always liked Marchant. He's very good at doing it all. Stick him here, stick him there. Unfortunately, now there's nowhere left to stick him. He'll likely be the one.

What are the chances Burke turns around and pawns off Klee for a 6th or something?

It's either him, Frankie or OD. We now offically have too many d-men that make close to or over 1.5 mil. I really don't think Marchant is going anywhere but we now have too many forwards too. Unless Larsen has a two-way deal I don't think he'll get sent down. Should be an interesting two weeks.

It's either him, Frankie or OD. We now offically have too many d-men that make close to or over 1.5 mil. I really don't think Marchant is going anywhere but we now have too many forwards too. Unless Larsen has a two-way deal I don't think he'll get sent down. Should be an interesting two weeks.

I have no problem doing that deal. I really really like Marchant, just not at the price tag that he carries around. It would be dumb to mess up with the Pronger-OD and Niedermayer-Beauch combo that has worked so well for us.

It's either him, Frankie or OD. We now offically have too many d-men that make close to or over 1.5 mil. I really don't think Marchant is going anywhere but we now have too many forwards too. Unless Larsen has a two-way deal I don't think he'll get sent down. Should be an interesting two weeks.

There is no reason for Larson to stick around, he'll be sent down.

Marchant is next.

I dont think there is a market for him.....this may be the deal where Burke needs to add a pick to get someone to take him on.

It would be dumb to mess up with the Pronger-OD and Niedermayer-Beauch combo that has worked so well for us.

I agree, that's just fixing something that really isn't broken.

Yeah, about $1.14 mil if my math is correct.

Finally! a much better result that predicted by the doom sayers.

I agree on the $1.14m from looking at it.

In theory we could send Bobby down as well which would make it $3.06m in space (1.14 + 1.92)

I don't know how likely this is but i'll float it anyway

If Teemu were to sign for say $2m and Bobby were to be sent down then it would leave us just over $1m in cap space. Add a 13th forward to replace Ryan on the roster and there's probably $500k left.
As a players cap hit is calculated by how many days they are on the ducks roster then we could call him up with around 20 games to go and he would only count roughly $500k towards the cap and be around for the playoffs as there is no cap at that point

It seems unlikely but if we can't move anyone else it could be possible

The other thought could be that Klee has come in to either be shipped straight out again or to replace another defencemen? Beauchemin maybe to free up another $1.65m

Burke's reaction:

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=383564

Beauchemin could fetch a lot more in a trade than Klee, that's for sure. And I think there's a pretty good chance he'll be gone after this season anyway, so why not pair Klee up with Scott and trade Beauch for a prospect/pick?

The other thought could be that Klee has come in to either be shipped straight out again or to replace another defencemen? Beauchemin maybe to free up another $1.65m

why does it seem like everyone is so eager to pass Beauchemin away?

I'm not speaking about just you Jimgrayson. There seems to be quite a few people with that in mind.

I feel really bad for Schneider....takes a job in Anaheim to end his career with a winning team, and what does he get?...he gets traded to the worst team in the league.

I feel really bad for Schneider....takes a job in Anaheim to end his career with a winning team, and what does he get?...he gets traded to the worst team in the league.

Ditto

why does it seem like everyone is so eager to pass Beauchemin away?

I'm not speaking about just you Jimgrayson. There seems to be quite a few people with that in mind.

personally i'm more than happy that he is on the team for that number, i get the feeling a lot of people are down on him because of how he played when scotty wasn't in the team.

i just threw him in there as he is getting mentioned a lot but also because he does have some trade value and it is likely he is gone after this year. if klee, or someone else, can step in and do his job then there is less need for him as our #5 and #6 do not have to log monster minutes so shouldn't be getting paid his type of money

I feel really bad for Schneider....takes a job in Anaheim to end his career with a winning team, and what does he get?...he gets traded to the worst team in the league.

i agree but at the end of the day he's almost guaranteed to be flipped to a contender at the deadline so it won't work out all that bad for him other than the moving his family stuff but at the end of the day $5.5m should nicely compensate him for one year of moving around

What we’ve done here today is accomplish two goals, in my mind. We’ve gotten under the cap and we’ve managed to do it without parting with Bobby Ryan. A number of the proposals we received – and two of the more dogged and determined ones – would have required us to put Bobby Ryan in the deal. That was something we did not want to do. To me, that was a major goal and both those goals got accomplished today.
wonder what those offers were

I feel really bad for Schneider....takes a job in Anaheim to end his career with a winning team, and what does he get?...he gets traded to the worst team in the league.

yeah it kinda sucks for him, but as has been expressed multiple times before on this board:

1. Schneider knew the score when he signed with anaheim. He knew something similar to this could occur.

2. Schneider is VERY well compensated. He makes good money, and when you're expensive, this is one of the prices you have to pay.

It's a ****** situation, but don't feel too bad for him. I'll probably barely make in my lifetime what he'll make this year in Atlanta.

hot bread

yeah it kinda sucks for him, but as has been expressed multiple times before on this board:

1. Schneider knew the score when he signed with anaheim. He knew something similar to this could occur.

2. Schneider is VERY well compensated. He makes good money, and when you're expensive, this is one of the prices you have to pay.

It's a ****** situation, but don't feel too bad for him. I'll probably barely make in my lifetime what he'll make this year in Atlanta.

wasn't Schneider in Detroit before Anaheim, he's also been w/ 2 of the 3 NY area teams (if u include the Devils as a NY Based team and he was w/ LA & Montreal.

wasn't Schneider in Detroit before Anaheim, he's also been w/ 2 of the 3 NY area teams (if u include the Devils as a NY Based team and he was w/ LA & Montreal.

Yeah that's all true but what's your point with that?

I feel really bad for Schneider....takes a job in Anaheim to end his career with a winning team, and what does he get?...he gets traded to the worst team in the league.

Mat has been really great about this whole thing and hasn't complained publicly about this situation. He thought he was going to get traded last year when Scott came back and was happy to not have been traded. But when Scott decided to play out his contract, the writing was on the wall. I think Burke really did try to keep him closer to southern California, but it just didn't work out.

What are the chances Burke turns around and pawns off Klee for a 6th or something?

Klee at 1.2 million dollars makes too much money for a 5-6 dman. But don't forget Mikkelson and or Salcedo also make about 800k. The Ducks would be gambling if they played only 6 dman on the roster so I don't know whether moving Klee would save us much money to sign Teemu.

i just threw him in there as he is getting mentioned a lot but also because he does have some trade value and it is likely he is gone after this year.

agreed. You can package him with other players of little value because he represents very good value and is likely to walk at the end of this season anyways. Someone will overpay him next season, you can bank on that. He will get 4m-5m or so from someone.

It's a ****** situation, but don't feel too bad for him. I'll probably barely make in my lifetime what he'll make this year in Atlanta.
That hardly helps and falls flat in trying to justify this.
It's partly Scott's fault, but Burke should've given himself more wiggle room...
Oh well. Schneider handled himself well. He'll survive.

Not a bad deal by Burke, especially if he can trade/hide those assets (which again is really inconvenient for those involved but oh well...). But a great trade by Atlanta - getting rid of baggage, picking up a great player, and an asset for the trade deadline.

Freakin' fantastic deal for both teams.

Atlanta and Anaheim sure like to trade...

I feel really bad for Schneider....takes a job in Anaheim to end his career with a winning team, and what does he get?...he gets traded to the worst team in the league.

Don't feel too bad for him, Atlanta will trade him at the deadline to a contender, so he'll be playing for a cup somewhere.

Hmm. Klee seems pretty solid. I remember liking his game in Col. He was the #3 TOI Dman on Atlanta last season. He's actually a little like OD in that he's mostly a defensive specialist. I think I remember him being decently physical, but kind of slow. He might actually make one of he or OD expendable.

Larsen: Meh. We've got enough of those. Maybe he can be a minor league vet to lead the C*H*O*P*S. He can score in the AHL.

Not that it means anything, but I liked Painchaud in EHM. He and Pospisil were good guys who often ended up pretty good but who could be had for peanuts. But it was just that those 2 were overrated because of good junior seasons.

There appear to be some character issues with him though. Sounds like he was sent home from his ECHL team? On the other hand, he got positive reviews from HFs prospect camp feature http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10497/thrashers2008_prospects_camp_review/:
Painchaud had some commitment to show this summer, after having been sent home early from ECHL affiliate Gwinnett Gladiators.

Anderson said of Painchaud: "I had a talk with him yesterday in my office, he had a little bit of a bump in the road there at the end of last year. But look, the slate's clean as far as I'm concerned, I never hold any grudges. I talked to him after the incident with Jeff (Pyle) and I said look, your hockey's going to do the talking. How you play. I don't care about anything else that's happened in the past. Let's let your hockey do the talking and that will decide where you are and what you're gonna do. We all make mistakes and we all say things that we regret."

Anderson confirmed that it was Painchaud's choice to come to the camp. "Yes," he said. "He asked if he could come in. And absolutely. Guys want to play -- God bless 'em. I'm all on board with that. I think he wanted a clean slate. Good for him. And what's hard for him when you think about it, it's his third year pro, he's been here and done this already. It's good -- he shows that he cares, cares about his career and I'm very happy to see it quite honestly."

More HF stuff about him:
07 ECHL review (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9619/thrashers_echl_prospects_season_review/):In most cases, statistics will tell you a lot about how a player is doing. It's not the case with Painchaud.

On one hand, he put up quite a few points, especially as one of the youngest players in the league. Painchaud finished sixth on the team in scoring, with 54 points (22 goals, 32 assists) in 72 games.

His overall point totals hide a season of extreme inconsistency, however. He was benched for parts of games several times for his lack of effort, and narrowly missed being sat out entire games. Gladiators coach Jeff Pyle had a sit-down talk with him about effort in January, which had minimal effect, as he was still unhappy about the same things in April.

The high-scoring Gladiators almost always have several players on the league's rookie scoring list, and this year was no different. Painchaud came in third in rookie scoring behind teammate Colton Fretter and Benoit Mondou of Trenton. Gladiators swingman Jamie Milam was 12th, with 47 points.

Painchaud finished the season a -13, which put him in the bottom half of the team. Defensive play was another thing Pyle felt he could improve on.

In the playoffs, Painchaud seemed to bring his 'A' game and led the Gladiators in scoring with five assists.

Effort will get him more ice time, and maybe a call-up to the AHL, but Painchaud's vision probably isn't good enough to be an NHL-level playmaker, and his shot is not good enough to be an NHL-level goal scorer. Skating, his best-known attribute, is fast straight ahead, but lacks either the shiftiness or strength to get around defenders. In all, he has a lot of work to do.

Painchaud, who turns 21 in May, will likely return to the Gladiators next season as well.
06 ECHL update (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9258/thrashers_echl_prospects_update/)For a 20-year-old rookie, Chad Painchaud is doing fine. He has six goals and seven assists, and his –2 is about average on the team. But fine isn’t good enough for him, as scorers always measure themselves by their production.

“Personally I think I could play a lot better,” he said before the team headed out on its recent road trip.

Painchaud is the youngest Gladiator, and one of the youngest in the league, born in May 1986. Among 20-year-old players league-wide, Painchaud is the fourth leading scorer behind Aki Seitsonen (CAL), Stanislav Lascek (TB) and Tyler Spurgeon (EDM).

Pyle has been generally pleased with Painchaud, but had the usual criticisms for players of his background.

“He’s a good skater, has shown flashes of being really good, but he’s just got to get out of some of the habits he had coming from junior. [Junior’s] a little bit easier and I’m sure he had a lot more ice time.

“In junior you play two minutes on the power play, and I don’t think he had to be as committed as he needs to be to be a pro hockey player – what you need to do on the ice, what you need to do off the ice, to develop and get better. That’s the side he’ll need to work on.”

Working harder is in Painchaud’s plans, as he thought it would help him out of his self-defined slump. “When you’re in a little slump, the best thing is just to work hard and hopefully get the breaks,” he said.

In the OHL, Painchaud won fastest skater in the 150' dash at the 2004 skills competition, and won the fastest lap at the 2006 skills competition. Having had knee surgery last spring, he’s still shown flashes of speed, but overall hasn’t been able to use it much to his advantage in this setting. Painchaud started the year on the second line with Mike Vigilante and Andy Contois, the two fastest skaters on the team to form an all-speed line.

After Jeff Campbell was called up, Painchaud played briefly on the top line with Brad Schell and Colton Fretter, as Pyle was trying to figure out what worked.

“I just thought it’d be a good fit. Because he’s got skill,” Pyle said. “And now it’s just one of those deals where I’m just trying to find a rhythm.”

Having played with Scott Mifsud and Joel Stepp for a couple games, Painchaud is back again with Vigilante and Contois as the team struggles to find its way back to the win column. The reunion produced a goal for Painchaud on Saturday night, his first point in five games. He has scored four points in the last two games, which moved him into second in scoring among rookies on the team behind Fretter.

Pyle agreed that Painchaud has improved already since the beginning of the season, and once he becomes more committed, will only get better.

“He does a lot of little things well. He’s very aware of the game, but the work ethic – and this is a lot of the guys – they don’t understand that you’ve got to work harder without the puck than with it. Because you don’t have it that much.”

Unlike the college-trained Caruso above, Painchaud felt the level of play in the ECHL was a transition from junior, saying the players are bigger, stronger, and faster. Indeed Painchaud loses a fair number of battles to more mature players.

“He hits, he gets involved, so I can live with that,” Pyle said. “He’s 20, I’m sure he’s going to mature over the next couple years.”

Far from scrawny, Painchaud will need to develop core muscles for balance and get used to going up against men. It’s a problem Schell had his first year, and in fact Painchaud in general looks a lot like Schell did his first year.

“Yeah, a lot like that,” Pyle agreed. “I think he’s a step better than Scheller was though because he’ll shoot the puck a little more. I think he has the same rap as Scheller -- that he’s a little lethargic at times.”

In his first year in the league at age 20, Schell had .74 points per game while Painchaud currently has .62 points per game. It’s not a huge difference, but importantly Painchaud’s defensive game is better than Schell’s was at the time.

One thing is for sure – being on a winning team is a relief. Painchaud’s junior team, the Sarnia Sting, where he played last year alongside fellow Thrashers prospect Tomas Pospisil, was nothing short of awful. Coming to the rink was not a lot of fun for anyone.

“Yeah, the last few years have been a struggle,” Painchaud said. “But coming here, definitely winning has been a good feeling.”

Having known many of his fellow players already from Thrashers camps, Painchaud is living with fellow rookies Scott Lehman and Dan Turple.

“It’s going great. We have a lot in common,” he said. “We’re pretty much from the same area, played in the same league last year, so we’ve become friends really quickly.”

The outlook for Painchaud’s second half is good, though fatigue could become a factor as he played only 49 games last season due to the knee injury.

06 CHL review (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/8542/thrashers_chl_prospects_season_review/)Chad Painchaud set career highs in all offensive categories this season, playing on the same team as Pospisil. He was sidelined with a torn knee ligament on Feb. 7 as the result of a knee on knee collision.

The 19-year-old finished with 31 goals and 34 assists in 49 games, and led the Sting in goals, assists and points, despite his season ending early. He came in third in voting for best shot in the Western Conference in the OHL Coaches poll behind Rob Schremp (EDM) and Mike Blunden (CHI).

“Chad’s really figured out what it takes to be a player,” Sarnia Coach Shawn Camp said in February. “He was a committed player, but he’s learned there’s a lot more to the game than just playing the game itself. His off-ice preparation, how he trains, using weights, using the bike, getting proper rest, making sure that he’s up for every game. Those kinds of things really helped his production this year.”

Camp projected that Painchaud would have a pretty smooth transition to pro hockey.

“He’ll go through the growing pains that most young players do. Just adapting to how quick everything happens. He’s certainly fast enough to play at that level. He needs to continue to be physical, like he has been at our level. He needs to be using his speed. He has good instincts, he sees the ice very well. We think that he’ll be a good pro because spatially he sees everything happening. It slows down for him nicely so the game isn’t too rushed for him. I think that playing with skilled players, he sees the ice so well, he’ll be a nice fit.”

One of Painchaud’s best attributes is great wheels, putting in the best lap time in 14.255 seconds in the OHL All-Star Skills Competition at the end of January. Winning that contest didn’t surprise Camp at all.

“He’s extremely quick, he’s quick off the mark, and he’s fast over the long haul too,” Camp noted. “He’s got speed to burn and he uses it well, wide speed on defensemen. He’s embarrassed a number of players this year by how quick he can move in and out.”

With his speed by far his best asset, the knee injury is a concern, but it won’t stop the Thrashers from signing the winger by the Jun. 1 deadline.

It's interesting that his ECHL coach seems to question his work ethic, but the junior coach says it's very good. Mostly just sounds like a case of getting the "junior" out of his game, sort of like with Ryan. Fast skater. Kind of weak. He kinda sounds like a bigger Shannon. But at least he's a RW, we need those.

I'm looking for Beauchemin to get traded next. He's got some of the best value of our tradeable assets and he's likely gone at the end of the season for some wacky contract anyway.

Marchant is who should go, but I'm not sure how tradeable he is.

ya, people on this board... and bob mckenzie. ****ing ******... usually he is pretty reliable too. Anyway, seems like a good deal for burke and us. I think I can applaud him. Marchant next to go?
McKenzie was reliable. Burke says that he got offers with Ryan in them. What was unreliable was how some on the board interpreted "putting Ryan in to get a better packages" as "adding Ryan in to balance out Schneider's negative value."

Now on to Marchant. Now he might require a mid pick to move.

Burke mentions Larsen has an injury. LTIR might be a possibility. Not that that really helps in terms of the cap. If he fails the physical, does he get sent back to Atlanta?


This Burke quote is telling:
It’s proven to be more difficult to move players than I envisioned. You’re talking about a good hockey in Mathieu Schneider, a good person. But getting teams to take on that salary was difficult. So, to me, it’s a relief. And it’s the right thing to do for Mathieu. I wasn’t comfortable making him swing in the wind. I don’t like that a player’s fate hung in the balance for a few days like that. At least now there’s some certainty in his life as far as what happens next. It was a good day.
That's why I kept stressing moving him in draft time, when other teams have plenty of expiring contracts and fewer commitments. I've seen this from following the NBA. Oh well, Burke'll learn now.


Another Burke quote of emphasis re Ryan
Because Bobby is an entry-level player and he has performance bonuses, and because the NHLPA failed to notify the NHL that they weren’t going to re-open the Collective Bargaining Agreement, performance bonuses go in as hard cap dollars from Day 1. So, if Bobby does make our team – and certainly he made a statement the other night – you’re talking about a cap hit of around $1.8 million. However, he is on a two-way contract that does not require waivers if he’s sent to the minors, so that’s one way to get rid of $1.8 million. That has no escaped our attention. But we’re going to explore all avenues and the Samuelis want to win. That might mean that instead of doing that, we send someone on a one-way contract to the minors.
We may well see him sent down for Teemu. For cap reasons. Although hopefully we can clear some room via trade.

That's why I kept stressing moving him in draft time, when other teams have plenty of expiring contracts and fewer commitments. I've seen this from following the NBA. Oh well, Burke'll learn now.
I am sure he would have loved to try but a certain no. 27 did not tell him he was coming back until later in the summer and Burke wanted Schnieder if he was not coming back.

Nice and this took this long why?

I am sure he would have loved to try but a certain no. 27 did not tell him he was coming back until later in the summer and Burke wanted Schnieder if he was not coming back.
That depends on if you think Burke knew or not. He was supposed to have decided by draft time (June 20) but Burke delayed that deadline because of the birth of his kid. Because I'm sure his kid being born was a total surprise.

He announced his decision 5/6 days later (the 25th unofficially, 26th officially).

The question is, did Burke actually know earlier? He probably did, but before the draft? I guess it's possible, but probably improbable.

Even still, Burke should have worked to move Schneider the second Niedermayer told him, giving him 4 days before the July 1st signing frenzy.

We may well see him sent down for Teemu. For cap reasons. Although hopefully we can clear some room via trade.

I got the impression that demoting Ryan is the last resort. Move players, bury contracts if possible, or demote the deserving but expensive Ryan if all else fails. So his solution is there, but he's looking for better ones until then.

Also, you know who it would be nice not to have on the books right now? Steve Montador. There's some money we didn't need to spend.

I got the impression that demoting Ryan is the last resort. Move players, bury contracts if possible, or demote the deserving but expensive Ryan if all else fails. So his solution is there, but he's looking for better ones until then.
I agree. We need the offense, and there isn't really a whole lot of options to fill it other than Ryan. Lindstrom sucks. Although Carter seemed to do well with Teemu. But Ryan is probably the best option, assuming we can clear the cap space.
Also, you know who it would be nice not to have on the books right now? Steve Montador. There's some money we didn't need to spend.
You and I both said it immediately after he was signed. Now it looks like we're not working any rookies in the D (Mikkelson, Festerling, Salcido). Which hurts us next year in terms of having a serviceable young D ready to fill the void, and this year in terms of salary and roster spaces for Selanne.

Now Montador looked pretty solid in scrimmage/drills I saw. But that's a roster space we don't really need.

We may well see him sent down for Teemu. For cap reasons. Although hopefully we can clear some room via trade.

That would be a mistake as he appears to not only be NHL ready but it looks like he's ready to make an impact. I also don't see Burke doing it due to his ego - he wants Ryan to succeed as much as Ryan himself due to the criticism that he has had to endure for taking Ryan no. 2. Lowe's comments this summer about Ryan being a bust pushed it even further.

I can't disagree with you guys about Montador, but I'd give the guy a chance before I start panning the signing. From all accounts he has looked solid in camp and really, if he wasn't signed, would a rookie really be playing in the lineup on a nightly basis? Especially now with Klee onboard.

So apparently there is no self imposed cap anymore? If Burke is talkin about burying contracts in the minors, that basically like throwin money in the sewers. I know teams like Philly and Toronto do it, but do the Ducks even make any profit right now? Sounds weird.

I can't disagree with you guys about Montador, but I'd give the guy a chance before I start panning the signing. From all accounts he has looked solid in camp and really, if he wasn't signed, would a rookie really be playing in the lineup on a nightly basis? Especially now with Klee onboard.

I think he means more that we now have Klee to fill that 6th-7th defenseman role also, if Montador wasn't signed we'd have one guy to do that at cheap money as opposed to the two we have now which is a problem.

Hmm. Klee seems pretty solid. I remember liking his game in Col. He was the #3 TOI Dman on Atlanta last season. He's actually a little like OD in that he's mostly a defensive specialist. I think I remember him being decently physical, but kind of slow. He might actually make one of he or OD expendable.


I love Ken Klee. He plays a very physical, defensive game and he's a great shotblocker. He doesn't have any offensive game, but I think he will fit in very well in the Ducks system. He was really missed on the Avs last year. If he stays healthy, he will be a pleasant surprise.

wasn't Schneider in Detroit before Anaheim, he's also been w/ 2 of the 3 NY area teams (if u include the Devils as a NY Based team and he was w/ LA & Montreal.

Schneider never played for NJ.

Hey guys, i picked up selanne in the last round of my fantasy league draft, is he for sure gonna play with the ducks this season? I wasn't 100% sure of the situation but in the last round i thought it was a good gamble (i also have sundin). But ya, id just like some info on his status, thanks!

When I see a trade, I like to see the reaction of the other team's fans to get a better idea of how a player has been doing. To compare to what I think of them. A number Atlanta fans seem to be pretty down on Klee, while I thought he was quite a solid 5/6. Now a few say that he was decent, or seem neutral on him, but no one's really torn. In fact they seem to be more glad that both Klee and Larsen are gone than worried about losing anything. I wonder if he's slowed down a lot?

Some excerpts:
Atlanta gets help getting to the cap floor without having to rely on Bogosian making the team, gets an upgrade on D, gets rid of Larsen who didn't really have a spot anyway, and a prospect who had a history of attitude issues. Great deal.
nice move........dump what they don't want anyways and sure they take on salary but it does help mentor the young D and they can deal him at the deadline anyways

the D is strong in Atlanta now with the kid Boogie, Schneider , Hainsey, Enstrom, Exelby,etc,

good for them
Bingo. Getting rid or Larsen and Klee (who are terrible) sheds about 1.8 million in salary, meaning we get Schneider for a net of 3.8 million in lieu of the full 5.625 million. And I assume Painchaud looks like a career ECHLer to Anderson/Waddell.

I gotta say this deal has Anderson written all over it- at the season ticket holder's event the other night he answered a question with 'Yes, I will encourage all of our defensemen to skate the puck up, even the fleet-footed Ken Klee.' which was greeted with a mixture of laughter and applause. Turned to my friend and said, "Awesome, he knows how bad Klee sucks."

You had to know Larsen's days were numbered when Hartley was sent packing. Seems like every coach has that one player they have a love affair with even though he really has no place on the team. Hearing he had an abdominal pull last week silenced any idea that he might be in better shape and maybe not suck quite as badly as we're accustomed to. That coupled with this trade should end his NHL career.

The real question is who else is Burke going to move to fit Selanne's salary?
It is not like Klee is garbage, he is a servicable bottom pairing D. Probably an upgrade over DiPenta who they had recently. However to add a D, the Thrashers had to give up one up. They had too many under contract.

While I appreciate what Larsen brings to the table, I am sure that Anderson has a guy from Chicago last year in mind for a 4th line slot. Hopefully this frees up a roster spot for Stuart, Lavallee, or both.

As someone pointed out, this seems like a move that Anderson wanted.

At this point, it is the most puck moving D the Thrashers have ever had heading into a season. Instead of trying to find people to put on the PP at D, we will have people fighting for spots there. Which is pretty nice.
We clear out some of our unwanted trash, and improve our defense.

If only White and Exelby were going away too.
This is just a good move. Klee was decent, Larsen is replaceable with a younger player and a okay prospect. Anaheim needed to make a move for the cap reason and DW did good. This is a very good trade for atlanta.
I don't see any reason for Atlanta losing this trade - they take a little bit of salary (they have room, no one here is signing the checks) and lose virtually nothing.

Good trade - got Anaheim in a bad spot and the Thrash picked up one hell of an underrated defenseman.
Give up an extra forward, mid level prospect, and a bottom pairing defenseman for a good PP QB and top 4 defenseman.

Schneider never played for NJ.

but ever listen to media from there, David, the Devils always are a NY team just like the Jets, Giants, etc.... I've heard the Devils on a NY Radio station

Burke's reaction:

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=383564

I find this the most interesting

That might mean that instead of doing that, we send someone on a one-way contract to the minors.

Who could that be?

I find this the most interesting



Who could that be?
One of our million 4th liners. Sutherby, May, Green, Parros (unlikely), Larsen, Lindstrom. I'm not sure if they're all on 1-ways, but that's who comes to mind. Maybe even Montador.

I doubt Marchant, I don't think they have the budget for that.

That depends on if you think Burke knew or not. He was supposed to have decided by draft time (June 20) but Burke delayed that deadline because of the birth of his kid. Because I'm sure his kid being born was a total surprise.

He announced his decision 5/6 days later (the 25th unofficially, 26th officially).

The question is, did Burke actually know earlier? He probably did, but before the draft? I guess it's possible, but probably improbable.

Even still, Burke should have worked to move Schneider the second Niedermayer told him, giving him 4 days before the July 1st signing frenzy.
He may have known before letting the fans knows, but I doubt it. Burke is not the type to hide good news that the fans will like (that he is allowed to release due to contract situations anyway).

But I agree with you that he should have tried to move Super Teeth as early as possible. He may have tried unsuccessfully then or was trying to ask for too much.

What a happy day for Ducks fan. After how many months of looking at salary stats, we are finally out of the red and have a million bucks to spend. :banana::hockey::yo:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=ANA

That hardly helps and falls flat in trying to justify this.
It's partly Scott's fault, but Burke should've given himself more wiggle room...
Oh well. Schneider handled himself well. He'll survive.

Not a bad deal by Burke, especially if he can trade/hide those assets (which again is really inconvenient for those involved but oh well...). But a great trade by Atlanta - getting rid of baggage, picking up a great player, and an asset for the trade deadline.

This post is absolultely pathetic. There's nothing that needs to be justified...

Why do you think the players didn't want a cap? They knew it would bring stuff like this. I remember listening to Jeremey Roenick talk about why the players didn't want a salary cap, and he said that the biggest reason was because job security was going to be a rarity. He said a lot of guys are going to get cut now because the team has to be at a cap, and other things like it's hard for their families.

CRY ME A ****ING RIVER...

The players knew the cap would bring this. Hell Schneider knew it was especially risky because of the situation with Scott. He acknowledged that he knew there would be this possibility, and he signed the deal. Why, because Burke offered him nearly 6 million dollars at 39 years old. That's why. It's pro sports, sometimes it's a cut throat business, every professional athlete knows this.

As for your wiggle room comment: Honestly, you tell me how he could have handled this situation any better cap wise. Ok as someone mentioned he could have handled this earlier, and I agree, but that has nothing to do with wiggle room. Personally I think Burke did a hell of a job that handling the situation that Scotty put him in. He brought in a short term replacement, who knew that there was a chance Scotty could come back. Honestly this whole thing is Niedermayer's fault for what he did last year. However, saying that Burke should have left himself more wiggle room is completely assinine.

I'm glad Schneid's didn't get moved at the draft because we probably would have only gotten a pick out of him. I think this is the best deal that could be made given the circumstances.

I'm glad Schneid's didn't get moved at the draft because we probably would have only gotten a pick out of him. I think this is the best deal that could be made given the circumstances.

A pick would have been better than taking on any salary...honestly there are really only a couple things Burke will do now:

1) Trade Beauchemin for assets, though his value may be lower because of his contract being up this year. This would also bump one of Huskins/Klee/Montador into the top 4.

2) Trade Marchant, but I would imagine this will actually take Burke sweetening the pot like so many mentioned he would have to do with Schneider, the question is a matter of how much. Not only that though, but Marchant is a strong presence in the locker room and has a NTC.

3) Send Ryan down. For how long though? This doesnt seem like a resolution, but another delay in trading someone.

4) Trade ODonnell or Klee for nothing. I have no idea what these guys' value would be on the market, though they dont make much and OD at least is still valuable on the ice. I think ODonnell is good in the lockerroom as well however, and I think getting rid of him would hurt more than just on the ice.

5) Waive players currently on one way deals: Sutherby, May, Green (2 way deal?) come to mind...not sure how much this would save us however.

Thats pretty much all I can think of that would be feasible at this time.

One of our million 4th liners. Sutherby, May, Green, Parros (unlikely), Larsen, Lindstrom. I'm not sure if they're all on 1-ways, but that's who comes to mind. Maybe even Montador.

I doubt Marchant, I don't think they have the budget for that.

I think Lindstrom and Green are possibly on two way deals, but Im not sure either.

I'm glad Schneid's didn't get moved at the draft because we probably would have only gotten a pick out of him. I think this is the best deal that could be made given the circumstances.

I would've preferred a pick, to be honest.

Worth adding from This Yahoo Sports Article (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=duckstrademathieuschneid&prov=tsn&type=lgns)


"...There were six or seven teams Schneider said he wanted to play for—and the Thrashers were one of them. His brother lives in Atlanta and he liked the idea of working with talented young Thrashers defensemen on the Thrashers Tobias Enstrom and Zach Bogosian, the team’s first-round pick in June... "

Worth adding from This Yahoo Sports Article (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=duckstrademathieuschneid&prov=tsn&type=lgns)


"...There were six or seven teams Schneider said he wanted to play for—and the Thrashers were one of them. His brother lives in Atlanta and he liked the idea of working with talented young Thrashers defensemen on the Thrashers Tobias Enstrom and Zach Bogosian, the team’s first-round pick in June... "

cool, its nice that he didnt go somewhere that he is going to hate.

It would be nice to see what kind of bonus clauses Ryan's contract has, that way it would be much easier to determine how the cap room changes during the season.

We know the maximum bonuses in his contract are 1.1M and that the "A" bonuses paid by the club are 850K max. Ryan needs to hit a minimum of 20G, 35A, 60PTS or score atleast 0.73PPG (minimum 42games) to qualify for scoring bonuses. If he fails to reach those and isn't in top3 in team +- (again minimum 42games) and doesn't make it to end-of-season all rookie team or NHL All-Star game, his max bonuses are roughly 250K this season. And if he doesn't reach those targets, he's very unlikely to get any "B" bonuses either.

One "mistake" Burke made last season was the fact that Ryan played only 23 games, had he played 2 games more, he wouldn't be considered a rookie anymore and therefore he wouldn't be eligible for any rookie bonuses this season. That's something I suggested Burke/Carlyle should have done last season but apparently Burke doesn't read HF boards.

Also it's interesting to note that our actual payroll is currently 52M. If Ryan doesn't earn his bonuses this season, that goes down to 51M. Now Selanne will get ~3M or so meaning we're sitting at 54M in actual payroll (and above the cap).

If Burke manages to trade Marchant off the books, the actual payroll is around 51.5M which is pretty close to this rumoured self-imposed cap.

Burke made note in his conference call that the NHLPA has not notified the league if they will re-open the CBA, therefore Ryans entire cap hit counts.

That depends on if you think Burke knew or not. He was supposed to have decided by draft time (June 20) but Burke delayed that deadline because of the birth of his kid. Because I'm sure his kid being born was a total surprise.

He announced his decision 5/6 days later (the 25th unofficially, 26th officially).

The question is, did Burke actually know earlier? He probably did, but before the draft? I guess it's possible, but probably improbable.

Even still, Burke should have worked to move Schneider the second Niedermayer told him, giving him 4 days before the July 1st signing frenzy.

I agree that he should have pushed to move him earlier in the summer and he may well have got a better return then however it's kind of irrelevant whether or not it was before Niedermayer's "official" announcement. The second he started offering Schneider around, everyone knew what it meant and his value was set low straight out

Burke made note in his conference call that the NHLPA has not notified the league if they will re-open the CBA, therefore Ryans entire cap hit counts.

No, the bonuses count only as long as it's possible to reach them. For example, if Ryan misses the first 50 games for any reason (AHL, injury), it becomes impossible for him to reach the 0.73PPG bonus and the team +- bonus if he has those in his contract (minimum 42 games needed for those). Thus the amount of those impossible bonuses can be deducted from the cap for that season. Also if Ryan plays 25 or more games this season, he can't reach any rookie bonuses he might have in his contract next season. Had Ryan played 2 more games last season, the cap hit for his remaining years would have gone down accordingly, depending what kind of bonus structure he has in his contract.

I'm glad Schneid's didn't get moved at the draft because we probably would have only gotten a pick out of him. I think this is the best deal that could be made given the circumstances.
As other have said, a pick would be way preferable with our cap situation. A non-NHL prospect might be preferable to that, but that's a trade deadline move and we can't wait that long.
Worth adding from This Yahoo Sports Article (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=duckstrademathieuschneid&prov=tsn&type=lgns)


"...There were six or seven teams Schneider said he wanted to play for—and the Thrashers were one of them. His brother lives in Atlanta and he liked the idea of working with talented young Thrashers defensemen on the Thrashers Tobias Enstrom and Zach Bogosian, the team’s first-round pick in June... "
LIES!!! Burke is the Devil!!! What a disgrace that he sent Schneider to the gulags!!! Rabble rabble!
It would be nice to see what kind of bonus clauses Ryan's contract has, that way it would be much easier to determine how the cap room changes during the season.

We know the maximum bonuses in his contract are 1.1M and that the "A" bonuses paid by the club are 850K max. Ryan needs to hit a minimum of 20G, 35A, 60PTS or score atleast 0.73PPG (minimum 42games) to qualify for scoring bonuses. If he fails to reach those and isn't in top3 in team +- (again minimum 42games) and doesn't make it to end-of-season all rookie team or NHL All-Star game, his max bonuses are roughly 250K this season. And if he doesn't reach those targets, he's very unlikely to get any "B" bonuses either.

One "mistake" Burke made last season was the fact that Ryan played only 23 games, had he played 2 games more, he wouldn't be considered a rookie anymore and therefore he wouldn't be eligible for any rookie bonuses this season. That's something I suggested Burke/Carlyle should have done last season but apparently Burke doesn't read HF boards.

Also it's interesting to note that our actual payroll is currently 52M. If Ryan doesn't earn his bonuses this season, that goes down to 51M. Now Selanne will get ~3M or so meaning we're sitting at 54M in actual payroll (and above the cap).

If Burke manages to trade Marchant off the books, the actual payroll is around 51.5M which is pretty close to this rumoured self-imposed cap.
Yup. I've mentioned the 25 game thing a couple times last season. Around December, when they sent him down and I mentioned that it could help sign Selanne when he can't make 42, but that they'd probably bring him up later to play the 25. And again in March when he was called up and could have made 25 if he played all the regular season games, but was scratched twice (doh!).


But as you said to answer Static's question, "sending Ryan down" would probably be until game 42, when (presumably, we don't know the bonuses) a number of his bonuses would be ineligible. Unless the NHLPA declines its option to terminate first.
I agree that he should have pushed to move him earlier in the summer and he may well have got a better return then however it's kind of irrelevant whether or not it was before Niedermayer's "official" announcement. The second he started offering Schneider around, everyone knew what it meant and his value was set low straight out
You're right. I didn't mean that he could get better value by trading him before Niedermayer, just that it's possible he had more days to get something done than we know about.



Further speculation on my part: now Burke is obviously loathe to use recall waivers, and rightfully so. It sucks to pay someone to play on another team. Paying half of Schneider's salary is pretty much a non-starter, both from a cap and budget point of view. But might he consider it with Marchant? Think of it this way. Moving any of the other 4th line forwards we have too many of saves us less than 1 million in each case. If we recall-waive Marchant we save 1.26 million. Might that be preferable to losing a higher pick to make someone eat his salary? Hmmm...

A pick would have been better than taking on any salary...honestly there are really only a couple things Burke will do now:

1) Trade Beauchemin for assets, though his value may be lower because of his contract being up this year. This would also bump one of Huskins/Klee/Montador into the top 4.

.

Honestly I think Huskins has proven himself worthy of top four.

Random observation: there's a discrepancy between NHLSCAP and what the Ducks are telling the media. According to NHLSCAP, we have 1.14 million in cap space. According to both the Times and Register (presumably meaning it came from the Ducks... the Reg mentions an "internal salary-cap projection"), we have 1.4 million in cap space.

A large chunk of this has to do with Ryan's salary (presumably bonuses). NHLSAP lists him at 1.921667, the papers says he counts for 1.7467. Both the Times and Register have listed this exact figure, one before and one after the Schneider trade. So maybe ~200k of Ryan's bonuses are already expired?

That still leaves a few tens of thousands of dollars discrepancy. It's probably similar, some bonuses (although no one else has rookie bonuses, so it's probably to do with signing bonuses).

But the upshot is, the cap site may not necessarily be correct. And we may have a tad more room to sign Selanne than we thought. Which might make it easier to get him in.


Also, the Reg intimates both directly and indirectly that they hope to move a Dman (maybe not for the Selanne cap space though).The Ducks had been hoping to create a roster opening for one of their top blue-line prospects, a group that includes Brendan Mikkelson, Brett Festerling and Orange County product Brian Salcido. That might still occur if a defenseman is traded, or the Ducks could glean further salary-cap savings by assigning a player on a one-way contract to Iowa.

“Having seven established guys is nice in a way, but I’m not sure it’s the model we’re going to go,” Burke said. “We’re going to explore all avenues. Our priority right now is to catch our breath and figure out the next step.”

i would be inclined to think that the plan at the minute would be for one of klee or beauchemin to be gone/sent down (it actually seems like this could happen from burke's comments yesterday, who'd have thought it?!) as there is no need for both of them to be on the team and also it would free up a roster spot for one of the rookies.

however i would think that they are also looking round for injuries during preseason and if one comes up to a forward would anyone be willing to take marchant for basically free? would he waive his NTC?

i wouldn't be averse to the re-entry waivers for him as was just mentioned. i really like what he brings to the team but it's just too much money.
he brought some scoring when we had injuries last year but with players like carter around i feel comfortable we have that eventuality covered should the injuries arise.
he provides leadership but we have a locker room with pronger niedermayer selanne etc and nearly the entire roster has a cup ring so we don't appear to be short of that

this was mentioned to death for another player earlier in the off season but i can't remember the answer. does marchant have to waive his NTC to be put on waivers? i think it's a no and it only applies to NMC but i can't remember and if we get it clarified in this thread then everyone knows where we stand

i would be inclined to think that the plan at the minute would be for one of klee or beauchemin to be gone/sent down (it actually seems like this could happen from burke's comments yesterday, who'd have thought it?!) as there is no need for both of them to be on the team and also it would free up a roster spot for one of the rookies.

however i would think that they are also looking round for injuries during preseason and if one comes up to a forward would anyone be willing to take marchant for basically free? would he waive his NTC?

i wouldn't be averse to the re-entry waivers for him as was just mentioned. i really like what he brings to the team but it's just too much money.
he brought some scoring when we had injuries last year but with players like carter around i feel comfortable we have that eventuality covered should the injuries arise.
he provides leadership but we have a locker room with pronger niedermayer selanne etc and nearly the entire roster has a cup ring so we don't appear to be short of that

this was mentioned to death for another player earlier in the off season but i can't remember the answer. does marchant have to waive his NTC to be put on waivers? i think it's a no and it only applies to NMC but i can't remember and if we get it clarified in this thread then everyone knows where we stand

No he doesn't have to waive his NTC to be put on waivers; that's only for NMC.

Burke actually picked Marchant up off waivers. They had the Fedorov-Marchant deal worked out but Marchant refused to waive his NTC, so they made the trade without him, and then MacLean put him on waivers and Burke picked him up.

No he doesn't have to waive his NTC to be put on waivers; that's only for NMC.

Burke actually picked Marchant up off waivers. They had the Fedorov-Marchant deal worked out but Marchant refused to waive his NTC, so they made the trade without him, and then MacLean put him on waivers and Burke picked him up.

thanks

i'd forgotten about that part of the trade, as it were, to be honest

Random observation: there's a discrepancy between NHLSCAP and what the Ducks are telling the media. According to NHLSCAP, we have 1.14 million in cap space. According to both the Times and Register (presumably meaning it came from the Ducks... the Reg mentions an "internal salary-cap projection"), we have 1.4 million in cap space.

A large chunk of this has to do with Ryan's salary (presumably bonuses). NHLSAP lists him at 1.921667, the papers says he counts for 1.7467. Both the Times and Register have listed this exact figure, one before and one after the Schneider trade. So maybe ~200k of Ryan's bonuses are already expired?

That still leaves a few tens of thousands of dollars discrepancy. It's probably similar, some bonuses (although no one else has rookie bonuses, so it's probably to do with signing bonuses).

But the upshot is, the cap site may not necessarily be correct. And we may have a tad more room to sign Selanne than we thought. Which might make it easier to get him in.


Also, the Reg intimates both directly and indirectly that they hope to move a Dman (maybe not for the Selanne cap space though).

I find this very confusing. I thought that we would have one of those guys up for sure to be the 6th defensemen and then we signed Montador. Right now as it stands I see our D looking like this:
S.Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Pronger-O'Donnell
Huskins-Montador/Klee

Maybe Beauchemin is really on his way out? Personally I don't see the Ducks using a young guy unless it's a full time thing. Honestly, I think they will have to wait tell next year, but that's not really a bad thing because were going to need a few of them.

No he doesn't have to waive his NTC to be put on waivers; that's only for NMC.

Burke actually picked Marchant up off waivers. They had the Fedorov-Marchant deal worked out but Marchant refused to waive his NTC, so they made the trade without him, and then MacLean put him on waivers and Burke picked him up.
I believe anybody can be waived. NMC too. I know that NMCs can be bought out, and that in order to buy someone out you have to be waived first. I'm stepping out the door, but I'll look it up when I come back.

One "mistake" Burke made last season was the fact that Ryan played only 23 games, had he played 2 games more, he wouldn't be considered a rookie anymore and therefore he wouldn't be eligible for any rookie bonuses this season.

For one, I'm glad they made that "mistake" because now we have a prospect with a legitimate chance for the calder. That's worth a few bucks of cap hit IMO.

Just to clear up. I had a look around and found this

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=482876&highlight=nmc

A player with a NMC cannot be waived or traded without their permission but they can be bought out

Marchant has a NTC and so cannot be traded without his permission but can be waived as i understand it

I find this very confusing. I thought that we would have one of those guys up for sure to be the 6th defensemen and then we signed Montador. Right now as it stands I see our D looking like this:
S.Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Pronger-O'Donnell
Huskins-Montador/Klee

Maybe Beauchemin is really on his way out? Personally I don't see the Ducks using a young guy unless it's a full time thing. Honestly, I think they will have to wait tell next year, but that's not really a bad thing because were going to need a few of them.
I thought it was weird too, because Murray and Burke both said at different times during the summer that last season's model was too veteran-heavy, and that they've got some kids they want to make room for.

Burke again alluded to it just now with his "model" comment IMO. If any of the kids make it I imagine it'd be Festerling, since his cap hit is miniscule.

That depends on if you think Burke knew or not. He was supposed to have decided by draft time (June 20) but Burke delayed that deadline because of the birth of his kid. Because I'm sure his kid being born was a total surprise.

I may be wrong, but I think the kid did come on as somewhat of a surprise. Something about his wife going into labour early or something.

Regardless, I imagine she was pregnant for a while. She didn't look like one of those trailer park whales that pop out kids accidentally while grunting on the toilet.

Lengthy Burke interview on XM today - he went on a long description of the dynamics of a trade, how there are five assets now rather than three previously (players, picks, prospects, cap space, and tagging room) and you can't judge a deal based on players on the ice.

He said that they figured that there was an 80% chance Schneider would clear, but it had the desired effect of flushing 4 more teams out of the bushes and into negotiating.

Just to clear up. I had a look around and found this

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=482876&highlight=nmc

A player with a NMC cannot be waived or traded without their permission but they can be bought out

Marchant has a NTC and so cannot be traded without his permission but can be waived as i understand it
Ha, that's interesting. That's what I get for assuming though. Because I knew that NMC doesn't protect you from buyouts. And I also knew that you have to be waived to be bought out.

They just made this weird little case where the pre-buyout waiving is at player's discretion. Those crazy lawyers.

Lengthy Burke interview on XM today - he went on a long description of the dynamics of a trade, how there are five assets now rather than three previously (players, picks, prospects, cap space, and tagging room) and you can't judge a deal based on players on the ice.

He said that they figured that there was an 80% chance Schneider would clear, but it had the desired effect of flushing 4 more teams out of the bushes and into negotiating.
Quick, post a Burke = genius thread on the MB! He totally flushed out buyers!