The training camp thread

A look at which rookies may make the Anaheim roster.

Read full article... (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=10548)

Post all training camp thoughts here.

My friend sent me a few text messages and the jist was.

Ryan is in great shape, moves alot better, skating is still weird. Stood out in a good way in terms of creating chances.

Teemu=Flying

No Morrison in the scrimmage.

A few more thoughts:

I was looking out a lot for the younger guys and try out players...I already know what to expect from the veterans. ;)

Try Outs

-Lupashuck was not in the group I was watching, but in the scrimmage he looked pretty good. He took a lot of shots and quality shots at that.
-T.J. Trevelyan looked alright, but to be honest he was only just alright. Then again, most of the players didn't really stand out to me. In the scrimmage he had some quality chances, but didn't finish. Think he was kind of nervous.
-Didn't see enough of Stephanishion to make a judgement, but he did score and played pretty well in the scrimmage.

Youngins

-Ryan Dingle looked really good. He has a good wrist shot and he always seemed to be in the right place during the scrimmage. One of the better players out there at least in the group I was watching.
-Joakin Lindstrom has a lot of skill and seems to be a good acquisition.
-Bobby Bolt is a big man and he looked alright today.

Btw, Selanne was flying today and was in great shape. Bobby Ryan looked a lot better too. Montador looks like a good pickup.

Most of the players didn't really stand out to me, but I'll attribute that to nerves/first day. Festerling lost the puck twice on the same shift...poor guy.

If you guys have an questions, just ask. :)

yeah first day doesn't tell us much really, i'm just glad we are getting close to hockey season. If anything training camp is for the young players to make names for themselves.

Were O'Dell and Deschamps there, or were they already sent back to juniors? I'm not sure when the article was written.

I wanted to go, but had stuff to do today. What was the free stuff they were saying they'd give away? Any cool SWAG?

Were O'Dell and Deschamps there, or were they already sent back to juniors? I'm not sure when the article was written.

I wanted to go, but had stuff to do today. What was the free stuff they were saying they'd give away? Any cool SWAG?

Neither of them were there as they were already sent back to juniors.

They did have some cool free stuff. They had frisbees, pocket schedules, pens, and insulated cup holders. :)

This is what I posted over at allducks.com

Just got back from camp a little bit ago. Some thoughts:

--Not a whole lot of skating drills like the first day of last year. Almost all breakout drills or transition drills. Not the sharpest bunch but it is Day One.

--Teemu was skating real good today. If anyone had concerns that he may be losing a step that ain't the case. Dude was flying.

--Morrison participated in drills but not in the scrimmage. He looked fine but didn't have a lot of jump in his step. I imagine three weeks of camp will cure that. I saw Belesky when the players were leaving the ice. He was all geared up but I didn't see him out there on either sheet. It was weird because he was on the ice for like a minute.

--Goalies were real sharp. LeNevue made a lot of good saves as did Hiller. I was surprised to see Couisneau out there but he looked good. Jiggy was being Jiggy and Levassuer was good too.

--Eric Tangradi is a big kid. Never realized how big he was. He was paired with Getzy for most of the day.

--Bobby Ryan played LW during the scrimmage and didn't look out of place. He still skates weird but he was moving around very well. Took a nasty spill during the first half of the scrimmage that make my heart skip but he's alright. Kid has amazing hands.

--Lindstrom is a firecracker. Dude hustles and fights for that puck. And he shoots, like every chance he gets. I don't recall seeing him make a pass. Qucik release.

--Ryan Dingle surprised me. He was flying out there and has a pretty good shot. Definitely stood out from some of the other rookies. I hope he has a big year in Iowa.

--Stefan Warg wins the Most Nervous Rookie award. He effed up a couple of drills and was real choppy with the puck. The kid is only 18 though and it was be a thrill to be out there. Good size though.

--Brad May was throwing his body around in the scrimmage. Dude was hustling and checking. He was probably the most energetic guy on the ice.

--Getzy's pressence on the ice is amazing. This is becoming his team, you can see it on the ice.

--All the vet d-men looked good. Montador skates pretty well. Jumps in the play a lot, gets back into position quickly.

That's it for now. I didn't stay for the whole scrimmage but it looks like I only missed one goal. I look forward to seeing this team more pared down because there was definitely an NHL and an AHL team on the ice today. I might go again on Monday (hopefully it'll be less crowded good god) and maybe Tuesday.

People say that Selanne was flying. Which I actually expected since he had his wheels fine last season. What he was missing was his hands. I know it's early in training camp, and hands get the rustiest, but how did Selanne look? With his stickhandling and shooting and stuff?

Hmm, I wonder if May is feeling the heat. We've got like a gazillion too many 4th liners, he may be fighting for his spot.

Dingle = our next college guy UFA to make the club? It'll probably be still awhile for him, but it seems like he's next in line, right? I consider Carter as already having made the club, even if he is sent down because of cap/roster issues.

We need Dingle to make the club soon. We also have been awfully low on our phallic named guys recently, with Big Pens leaving. Maybe a trade for Jack Johnson is in the works? So Cal has a lot of Asians, I think we need to sign one to represent. Hopefully a Wang.

Wang-Dingle-Pecker line would be triumphant.

I've never seen Dingle, but he sounds like he looks like Ryan Shannon. In fact, Shannon's last name should have been Dingle.

Not sure it mentioned anywhere, Ducks signed Eric Regan to entry level contract.

People say that Selanne was flying. Which I actually expected since he had his wheels fine last season. What he was missing was his hands. I know it's early in training camp, and hands get the rustiest, but how did Selanne look? With his stickhandling and shooting and stuff?

Hmm, I wonder if May is feeling the heat. We've got like a gazillion too many 4th liners, he may be fighting for his spot.

Dingle = our next college guy UFA to make the club? It'll probably be still awhile for him, but it seems like he's next in line, right? I consider Carter as already having made the club, even if he is sent down because of cap/roster issues.

We need Dingle to make the club soon. We also have been awfully low on our phallic named guys recently, with Big Pens leaving. Maybe a trade for Jack Johnson is in the works? So Cal has a lot of Asians, I think we need to sign one to represent. Hopefully a Wang.

Dingle is looking good but I think he'll need a whole season in the A before he's ready. He spent most of last year in Augusta but I can't see why he shouldn't have a big year in Iowa.

good stuff from MVN
http://mvn.com/nhl-ducks/
In spite of the long morning, several players still stayed on the ice for further work, including Brennan Evans, Ryan Carter and Bobby Ryan. Ryan has seemed like a new man of late and is sporting a trimmer physique with 50% less body fat than at the beginning of summer. Ryan chose to live in Southern California and work out all summer with strength and conditioning coach, Sean Skahan. After seeing a nutritionist and working out on a daily basis, Ryan has lost 20 lbs. of fat and gone from 17% body fat to 9% body fat. He weighs in at a healthy and lean 207 lbs. and clearly has more muscle than before.

How has that made a difference? Coach Randy Carlyle said that Ryan was in “the best shape he’s ever been in.” Ryan agreed. “The hard work all summer is paying off,” said Ryan. “I feel good. I have energy throughout the day. I’m able to do the things I wasn’t able to do before.” One of those things, said Carlyle, is “not struggling to keep up in scrimmages.” This morning, Ryan used his body to plow through not one, but two players in the scrimmage as he persevered with the puck towards the goal.

RG, you've been saying that you expect Ryan to play with Getzlaf/Perry but others are saying Kunitz with G/P and then Selanne-Morrison-Ryan. Any indications from camp?

RG, you've been saying that you expect Ryan to play with Getzlaf/Perry but others are saying Kunitz with G/P and then Selanne-Morrison-Ryan. Any indications from camp?

If the Ducks can create three scoring lines it would be awesome.

Kunitz Getzlaf Perry
_ Carter Selanne
Ryan Morrison _
Moen Pahlsson Nieds

RG, you've been saying that you expect Ryan to play with Getzlaf/Perry but others are saying Kunitz with G/P and then Selanne-Morrison-Ryan. Any indications from camp?

Realistically, I'd say Kunitz and Ryan will split time on the 1st line, with Kunitz probably getting more time with Getz and Perry. If one of them proves that they can play at a high level and keep up with the twins, they'll stick and the other will go to 2nd line.

If the Ducks can create three scoring lines it would be awesome.

Kunitz Getzlaf Perry
_ Carter Selanne
Ryan Morrison _
Moen Pahlsson Nieds

Seems to me that while the Pahlsson line isn't prolific with scoring they do score enough such that you can stack the offense on the first 2 lines.

Realistically, I'd say Kunitz and Ryan will split time on the 1st line, with Kunitz probably getting more time with Getz and Perry. If one of them proves that they can play at a high level and keep up with the twins, they'll stick and the other will go to 2nd line.

Makes sense. Although does Kunitz has the chemistry with the twins that he had with Selanne and Andy Mac? Seems to make sense to play Kunitz with Selanne if they still work well together.

Makes sense. Although does Kunitz has the chemistry with the twins that he had with Selanne and Andy Mac? Seems to make sense to play Kunitz with Selanne if they still work well together.
Kunitz plays well with anybody. Checking line, fast scoring line with Selanne, forechecking line with Getzlaf.

I expect some shuffling. Just like how Penner was moved in and out of the Getzlaf line, Ryan probably will see some time there, some time on the 2nd, and some time on the 4th.

RG, you've been saying that you expect Ryan to play with Getzlaf/Perry but others are saying Kunitz with G/P and then Selanne-Morrison-Ryan. Any indications from camp?

No indications from camp but it's early. At this stage there are so many rookies and AHLers that nobody is teamed up with anyone they'd normally be with. Teemu and Ryan are even in the same group but the only time they've been paired together has been in skating race drills, which did really good in today.

RG, you've been saying that you expect Ryan to play with Getzlaf/Perry but others are saying Kunitz with G/P and then Selanne-Morrison-Ryan. Any indications from camp?
Ryan only has two lines to go to, the Selanne line, or the Getzlaf line. I think it'll flip back and forth throughout the season, but i'd be very surprised if he doesn't start with the twins because you'd have Selanne playing with two guys he's never played with.

the training camp lines have been all over the place, we may not know for sure to the last preseason game.

Does LeNeveu have any chance of beating out Hiller for the backup job, or he is destined to be a Chop?

No. LeNeveu will be in Iowa unless either Hiller or Giguere are injured.

Thanks for the reply, Benny.

Ugg. I accidentally shut off the power before sending the huge post. Let's try again.


I was at today's camp. My thoughts
-They really seemed to be focusing on rushes. A lot of drills with odd-man rushes. Also they carried the puck in during the scrimmage a lot. I could probably count the number of dump ins on one hand. There was an interesting drill where they went 2-0 one way, then 2-1 the other way when the 1st rush scored/was broken up, then 3-1 the other way, then 3-2 the OTHER way. The forwards were the same (adding 1 partway through). The Dmen stayed on their side of the ice (ie 1 particular Dman goes every other rush).
-Warg is big. Bolt is huge. Both seem a little slow.
-Pronger is the human eraser. There was a lot of work on 2-on-1s in the drills and the like, he stopped a bunch of them.
-Getzlaf didn't seem to be trying very hard, yet he still dominated. 1 G, 2 A (I think).
-Ryan still gets outmuscled too easily. But he seems to be moving around pretty good.
-Lindstrom seems like a shot and little else. Although it's a good shot. If Teemu or Perry get hurt, they might consider him as a goal-scoring replacement. That's if he doesn't go to Europe if he doesn't make the team.
-Miller seemed pretty good. Skated pretty well.
-Ryan-Lindstrom-Miller didn't do much. Although people said they were good before. Probably just a youth inconsistency thing. They were on ice for the 1st 2 goals against.
-Carter was good in drills, meh in the scrimmage. But I think we really need to get him a spot on the big club. He also seemed to have some good chemistry with Teemu.
-Completely underwhelmed with MacMillan's offensive skills. But his positioning seemed pretty good.
-Teemu might still be missing his hands. He mishandled some still.
-Green looks solid. Hard skating/worker, noticed him a bunch.
-Regan seemed solid.
-Festerling is smaller than I expected. But otherwise he was pretty nondescript. But that's what he does, it's in a good way.
-Macenauer wasn't there :(. I wanted to see him.
-Dingle looked good. I think he'll have a good season in the A, maybe a cup of coffee. He might be a good one for us next year.
-Boguniecki is like a barrel. Short and stout. He was put on a line with Marchant for awhile for a line of pure midget awesomeness.
-Mikkelson had a pretty bad giveaway, but otherwise was fine.
-LeNeveu sucks. No chance he beats out Hiller. Not that there ever was a chance, but just to answer the dude's question. He was bad in the drills, and he gave up 3 goals in the scrimmage.
-Cousineau seems almost like a mini-me Giguere. He does the neck-forward kind of stance too.
-Morrison scrimmaged. Seemed alright for a first time. He seems fond of the drop pass, perhaps a little too fond.
-Salcido has good passing skills in drills. Didn't do a whole lot in scrimmage.
-LOL. Beauchemin can't even hit an empty net. They had some 1 timer slapshot practice, and he kept shooting high. But isn't high better than wide, it's not like you typically slapshot high anyways?


Lines I noticed (some changes throughout)
Ryan-Lindstrom-Miller
Kunitz-Morrison-?
(Stefanishion)?-Wirtanen-Rob (preview of a checking line?)
MacMillan-Carter-Selanne
May-Ebbett, then Marchant-Perry
Bolt-Getzlaf-? (Tangradi? it was a huge line)
(Dingle?)-Suts-Moen
Green-Pahlsson-?


Goals (the order may be wrong):
Black: Getzlaf on LeNeveu. Typical dominating shift by a Getzlaf line hemming them in. Then he rips a shot.
Black: Moen on LeNeveu. A rush or something. Moen barrels into LeNeveu. Think Canucks/Wings fan whining.
White: Teemu on Hiller. Off a rebound of a Pronger slapshot
Black: Bickel from Getzlaf(?) on Giguere. Getzlaf (?) passes the puck from behind the net to the point, Bickel with a slapshot. It was crazy screened. By like 4 people.
Black: Dingle on LeNeveu. Walks from the left side of the slot across. Rips a shot top shelf. Nice goal.
Black: Ebett on Cousineau. PS. (not sure of the order of Dingle/Ebbett. The goalies may also be switched)
Black: Rob on Cousineau. With a beautiful feed from Getzlaf in the corner.

I wouldn't say Ryan was being outmuscled at all. He wasn't bouncing off checks or anything but he was certainly a pain to take the puck away from him. I found he has become a lot more tenacious for the puck.

Also I've personally been praising the Ryan-Miller combo. Whenever they've actually had a center they would get a lot of scoring chances. Today and most of yesterday they had Lindstrom who is a terrible center. But once they got the puck down low those two won a lot of battles but Lindstrom had no idea what to do in the middle of the ice so they didn't get a lot of chances. He can shoot though, kid likes to shoot.

Lindstrom didn't help the line (I believe it was mostly him as to why Getzlaf hemmed that line in on the 1st goal), but I saw Ryan outmuscled a few times. It happened like 3 times in a shift like halfway through the first 45. He was poke checked, lost the puck. Then he went into the corner to pick it up but was hit and fell way too easily into the boards. Then he got up and it cycled back to his corner and someone worked the puck away from him. Another time he was skating on a semi-rush, tried to do a few fancy moves (which weren't too bad), and ended up losing the puck just as he was about to break free.

I felt like he rarely ever had full control of the puck. I guess to his credit it stayed in his vicinity, and he wasn't getting clean passes very often from his linemates, but he still was fumbling a bit.

I can't fault his effort though.

Not worthy of a new thread, so I shoehorned it in here.

New training camp means new team pictures. They're not up on the main roster page yet, but they are up in the "elections" section. http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=23236

It seems like this year's theme is "scruffy." I'll add some titles for comic effect.

Compensating:http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Getzlaf_Ryan.jpg

Fi-fi-fo-fum: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Pronger_Chris2.jpg

Curses, foiled again!: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Parros_George.jpg (runner up: What's a talkie?)

We're here to pump *clap* you up!: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Moen_Travis.jpg

Bed head: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/O%27Donnell_Sean.jpg

Homeless science teacher: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Niedermayer_Scott.jpg

Urn-head: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Perry_Corey.jpg

Scheming: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Hiller_Jonas.jpg

Elation: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Sutherby_Brian.jpg


Feel free to come up with your own.

Not worthy of a new thread, so I shoehorned it in here.

New training camp means new team pictures. They're not up on the main roster page yet, but they are up in the "elections" section. http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=23236

It seems like this year's theme is "scruffy." I'll add some titles for comic effect.

Compensating:http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Getzlaf_Ryan.jpg

Fi-fi-fo-fum: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Pronger_Chris2.jpg

Curses, foiled again!: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Parros_George.jpg (runner up: What's a talkie?)

We're here to pump *clap* you up!: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Moen_Travis.jpg

Bed head: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/O%27Donnell_Sean.jpg

Homeless science teacher: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Niedermayer_Scott.jpg

Urn-head: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Perry_Corey.jpg

Scheming: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Hiller_Jonas.jpg

Elation: http://cdn.nhl.com/ducks/images/upload/2008/09/Sutherby_Brian.jpg


Feel free to come up with your own.

God Pronger and Perry are two of the ugliest people ever.

Dingle just keeps impressing everybody...I wouldn't be surprised if this guy played in a few games this year and even made the team next year.

God Pronger and Perry are two of the ugliest people ever.
I love me some Perry, but that boy is not improving with age. Pronger reminds me of a guy I played football with in high school, down to the gap in his teeth. He was 6'5 and had a full beard in 9th grade.

It's as if players don't know it's picture day or something. Pronger looks like white trash.

Baines, Bickel, Bolt, Dingle, Regan, Stefanishion, Veideman assigned to Iowa.

Tangradi, Warg assigned to their respective junior teams.

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=383395

Surprised Dingle and Bickel got cut this early.

Baines, Bickel, Bolt, Dingle, Regan, Stefanishion, Veideman assigned to Iowa.

Tangradi, Warg assigned to their respective junior teams.

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=383395

Surprised Dingle and Bickel got cut this early.

I'm not. They've done well but there was no chance they were going to make the team but they are going to be important parts of Iowa's team so they need to get cracking there. The only surprise for me is Lupaschuck and Cousineau not being cut. But as I type this I realize that four games in five nights means you should use every goal you have. But Lupaschuck as a try-out that has no shot at making this team surprises me.

I am kind of surprised that Stefanishion and Dingle were cut...I was thinking that Steph would be signed. Of-course, there is still that possibility I guess.

Dingle looked good, but not NHL-good. Same goes with Regan and Bickel. Besides, none of them really played much AHL, they need the seasoning. On the other hand, the were better than a lot of the guys still there (Bailey, Birner, Wirtanen).

Stefanishion is a mild surprise. I actually thought he looked decent. He's also a large guy, and a RW, which we sorely lack in the prospect pool.

For people to analyze, here's who's left
F
Bailey
Beleskey
Birner
Bodie
Boguniecki
Carter
Donally
Ebbett
Getzlaf
Green
Kunitz
Lindstrom
Marchant
May
MacMillan
Macenauer
Miller
Moen
Morrison
Niedermayer
Pahlsson
Parros
Perry
Ryan
Selanne
Sutherby
Trevelyan
Wirtanen

D
Beauchemin
de Gray
Evans
Festerling
Huskins
Lupaschuk
Mikkelson
Montador
Niedermayer
O'Donnell
Pronger
Salcido

G
Cousineau
Giguere
Hiller
LeNeveu
Levasseur

G
Cousineau
Giguere
Hiller
LeNeveu
Levasseur

Turns out Cousineau was sent back to Baie-Comeau. He really needs to be there to get cracking with his team because if I'm not mistaken the Q starts really early so keeping him too long sucks for his team.

But I disagree about Wirtanen and Birnier staying despite being worse then Dingle. I think they are both far beyond Dingle in maturity and experience those Dingle has more offensive skills then the two of them. Dingle looked very much like a rookie last night.

hey guys pls can you tell me how did montator,parros,wirtanen did so far?

How is salsa y mikkelson looking?

Looks like a very solid game played by David LeNeveu last night against the team that originally drafted him. 1 goal allowed on 27 shots and was named 2nd star of the game.

I've watched this guy since his rookie season and I'm still convinced he can play at the NHL level.

How is salsa y mikkelson looking?
I can only talk about day 4 where I was there, but Mikkelson looked a little better than Salsa. Neither looked particularly good or bad.

Although in the like 1 minute of radio broadcast I caught yesterday, they seemed to mention that Salsa looked good.

Some more cuts today...kind of surprising that Salcido and Mikkelson were both sent down...Festerling is left though.

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=384002

Assigned to Iowa Chops (AHL) Training Camp:
Michal Birner (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8471328) – Left Wing
Eric Boguniecki (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8459615) – Center
John de Gray – Defenseman
J.P. Levasseur – Goaltender
Ross Lupaschuk – Defenseman
Brendan Mikkelson (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8471705) – Defenseman
Brian Salcido (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8471803) – Defenseman
Petteri Wirtanen (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8473494) – Center
Assigned to junior team:
Maxime Macenauer (http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8474139) – Center (Rouyn-Noranda/QMJHL)
Logan MacMillan – Left Wing (Halifax/QMJHL)

I am surprised Festerling has outlasted Mikkelson and Salcido. I had heard Carlyle was high on Mikkelson.

Does this mean Lupaschuk is done with the big club? He was here on tryouts, right? So this means he's not getting an NHL contract, although he may get an AHL contract.

Here's the current list then.
F
Bailey
Beleskey
Bodie
Carter
Donally
Ebbett
Getzlaf
Green
Kunitz
Lindstrom
Marchant
May
Miller
Moen
Morrison
Niedermayer
Pahlsson
Parros
Perry
Ryan
Selanne
Sutherby
Trevelyan

D
Beauchemin
Evans
Festerling
Huskins
Klee
Montador
Niedermayer
O'Donnell
Pronger

G
Giguere
Hiller
LeNeveu

Why is Bailey still up here? Or was he sent down earlier and I'm missing a forward (was Larsen sent down to the C•H•O•P•S)?

I am surprised Festerling has outlasted Mikkelson and Salcido. I had heard Carlyle was high on Mikkelson.

After last night's game I'm not at all. Festerling was a lot better than Mikkelson who didn't have a good game at all. Festerling saw PP time and was very solid out there last night. In the end though I think Evans will get that last spot if one of the vets are traded.

Does this mean Lupaschuk is done with the big club? He was here on tryouts, right? So this means he's not getting an NHL contract, although he may get an AHL contract.

Here's the current list then.
F
Bailey
Beleskey
Bodie
Carter
Donally
Ebbett
Getzlaf
Green
Kunitz
Lindstrom
Marchant
May
Miller
Moen
Morrison
Niedermayer
Pahlsson
Parros
Perry
Ryan
Selanne
Sutherby
Trevelyan

D
Beauchemin
Evans
Festerling
Huskins
Klee
Montador
Niedermayer
O'Donnell
Pronger

G
Giguere
Hiller
LeNeveu

Why is Bailey still up here? Or was he sent down earlier and I'm missing a forward (was Larsen sent down to the C•H•O•P•S)?

I didn't see him once at camp and he hasn't played any games. I have no idea what's the deal with him.

I think you can add Larsen to that list for sure. He's on a one-way deal so he's not getting send to Iowa just yet or at all. 500+k is a lot to pay a guy in the minors.

Green, Trevelyan, and Belesky are all hurt so they can't (or simply they think it's better to treat them here?) be sent down yet but will eventually.

I'm not too suprised to see Salsa and Mikkelsson being sent down.Atthe start of the camp,we already had our top 6 and with the acquisiton of klee,we also have probably a good solution for the spot as 7th defender.Salsa and Mikkelsson both are young players and they need as muck icetime as possible,so it's better for them to play every night for the CHOps the sitting in the press box.And I believe the coaches expect both to be leaders for the CHOPS,so this should work better with both participating in the whole camo in iowa.

I am surprised Festerling has outlasted Mikkelson and Salcido. I had heard Carlyle was high on Mikkelson.
Festerling is by far the cheapest option. If all three show roughly the same potential...

Or was he sent down earlier and I'm missing a forward (was Larsen sent down to the C•H•O•P•S)?

From Burke's comments on the trade...

"Brad [Larsen] has been battling a groin injury and we’re not sure the extent of that yet. He was going to see a doctor today. Our plan is to bring him in today or tomorrow and see how he is physically."

From Burke's comments on the trade...

"Brad [Larsen] has been battling a groin injury and we’re not sure the extent of that yet. He was going to see a doctor today. Our plan is to bring him in today or tomorrow and see how he is physically."
So that would imply that Larsen is up in camp.

The problem is I'm trying to account for all the forwards. Bailey was listed on the original training camp roster. I started from this original list and subtracted everyone who was sent down. At each round of cuts, they listed totals. They say they have 23 Fs on the team right now. I have 23 names at F now, with Bailey and without Larsen.

But I never saw any mention of sending down Bailey. Or Larsen. Bailey was up at some point, he played in the Sept 17 rookie game ("Center Charlie Kronschnabel would score a shorthanded goal for Anaheim, using Jason Bailey as a decoy on a 2-on-1 situation down low."). By the numbers, one of them has to have been sent down. So I'm obviously missing something.

No surprise to me about Festerling sticking and Mikkelson re-assigned. Fester was a better all around d-man in juniors even though he never lit the score sheet much. He is just defensively solid and this is his biggest asset to an NHL team. While Mikkelson is a gifted skater and offensive d-man, he needs to be a better 2 way d-man to play in this league.

That said, I am pleasantly surprised by this development but not sure if this won't be a case of him being released in a day or so.

So that would imply that Larsen is up in camp.

The problem is I'm trying to account for all the forwards. Bailey was listed on the original training camp roster. I started from this original list and subtracted everyone who was sent down. At each round of cuts, they listed totals. They say they have 23 Fs on the team right now. I have 23 names at F now, with Bailey and without Larsen.

But I never saw any mention of sending down Bailey. Or Larsen. Bailey was up at some point, he played in the Sept 17 rookie game ("Center Charlie Kronschnabel would score a shorthanded goal for Anaheim, using Jason Bailey as a decoy on a 2-on-1 situation down low."). By the numbers, one of them has to have been sent down. So I'm obviously missing something.

I don't think Bailey was ever literally here. The Ducks pdf training camp roster has been updated and he's definitely not on it.

http://ducks.nhl.com/ext/2008TrainingCampRoster.pdf

Larsen is listed there as number 29 and Klee as number 2.

Maybe Teemu and Miller coming in so late bumped Bailey out? Who knows? But we can put to rest if he's there or not.

No surprise to me about Festerling sticking and Mikkelson re-assigned. Fester was a better all around d-man in juniors even though he never lit the score sheet much. He is just defensively solid and this is his biggest asset to an NHL team. While Mikkelson is a gifted skater and offensive d-man, he needs to be a better 2 way d-man to play in this league.

That said, I am pleasantly surprised by this development but not sure if this won't be a case of him being released in a day or so.

Well the ducks were raving about Mikkelson after his play in Portland last year, and I know Carlyle was telling people he thought highly of him.

No disagreement with you there as I've heard the same thing about Mikkelson and Salcido. I don't know much about Salcido but I've seen Mik and Fester a lot in jrs and Fester was just better all around. He will not hurt you when he is on the ice.

Mik is basically a first rounder even though he went 31 overall so he will be given every chance to succeed and I'm sure he will develop his game in a year or so.

HF training camp update. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10563/ducks2008_training_camp_update/

Who's this Tanya Lyon? It's a pretty in depth article. Is she more than some random person from another team filling in?

And as does the writer, I really want Carter in. Move Marchant, or even Moen, if you have to. I think he looks good with Teemu if Morrison/Ryan/Kunitz/whoever doesn't work out.

“I mean it’s exciting,” said Festerling. “I feel like I have had a good camp, but I know the other guys have too. That being said they got seven old guys here so I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself.

Haha.

Ducks made the latest round of cuts and apparently Brett Festerling has made the team. Evans is sent down. No big surprise though.

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=384496

So now the list is

F
Beleskey
Carter
Donally
Ebbett
Getzlaf
Kunitz
Larsen
Marchant
May
Moen
Morrison
Niedermayer
Pahlsson
Parros
Perry
Ryan
Selanne
Sutherby

D
Beauchemin
Festerling
Huskins
Klee
Montador
Niedermayer
Pronger

G
Giguere
Hiller


Larsen isn't getting any healthier, the Times says that he's going to Philly to the same hernia guy who did Marchant and Jiggy last year. Whatever, I never expected him to play on the big team anyways. I'm thinking he'll get waived and either sent down or claimed (unlikely).

Green is a mild surprise. He's looked decent when I've seen him. On the other hand, I guess he's just a typical 4th liner and we already have like 6 of them. And he's not quite physical enough to take May's spot, so he'd only be replacing Marchant or something.

What's the deal with the injured guys? Beleskey's still up, Donally too. But they sent down Trevelyan.

Festerling is great. Not only was he the best of the young guys, but he's the cheapest too. How often does it work out that neatly?

They still haven't made the tough decisions though. Get rid of some bottom line guys! Hopefully through trade, but waivers works fine too. Just make it so we don't have to pay them the full salary.

So now the list is

F
Beleskey
Carter
Donally
Ebbett
Getzlaf
Kunitz
Larsen
Marchant
May
Moen
Morrison
Niedermayer
Pahlsson
Parros
Perry
Ryan
Selanne
Sutherby

D
Beauchemin
Festerling
Huskins
Klee
Montador
Niedermayer
O'Donnell
Pronger

G
Giguere
Hiller

You've got one guy on defence who's not with the team anymore.

I just hope we let festerling play his way to the press box and not stick him there at the beginning.

You've got one guy on defence who's not with the team anymore.
Yup. I knew I should have counted the defensemen too to doublecheck.
I just hope we let festerling play his way to the press box and not stick him there at the beginning.
We shall see what happens when the games count, but he actually got a number of shifts with Niedermayer at ES yesterday.

edit: (after counting) In fact, of all of his shifts, 3 were with Klee, 1 with Montador, and 15 were with Niedermayer. Although that might be because Beauchemin didn't play.

I was in favor of Evans making the team simply because if it came down to the 7th d-man spending most nights in the stands it might as well be the older of the two. But that can still happen. Just because Uncle Fetser has made the team doesn't mean he won't be sent down after a couple of games. If the six vets that we have work well together and Fester doesn't get any ice-time then I would like him to get sent back down. But congrats to him, he really out=performed the rest of the pack.

How's Klee looked out there thus far, for those that have attended the games?

So you guys think Lindstrom will report? Wasn't there speculation that if he didn't make the team that he'd go to Europe?

So you guys think Lindstrom will report? Wasn't there speculation that if he didn't make the team that he'd go to Europe?

That's the speculation but I think he'll hang around. He's next in line for an offensive player call-up in my opinion. Hell if he played a decent defensive game I think he would have made the team but he doesn't. It's not that he's particularly bad in his own end he just focuses on offense. He really reminded me of Petr Sykora and it's not because of his number either. My guess is he'll play a handful of games this year.

Cool feature on the Ducks website about Ebbett and Festerling making it past the last round of cuts. http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=384552

They sound like they have good heads on their shoulders, especially Festerling.

Carlyle seems to like Ebbett's offensive abilities too. If Ryan falters (0 points in the last 4 games) and Carter doesn't work with Teemu, I'm thinking it's Ebbett up next and not Lindstrom.

Cool feature on the Ducks website about Ebbett and Festerling making it past the last round of cuts. http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=384552

They sound like they have good heads on their shoulders, especially Festerling.

Carlyle seems to like Ebbett's offensive abilities too. If Ryan falters (0 points in the last 4 games) and Carter doesn't work with Teemu, I'm thinking it's Ebbett up next and not Lindstrom.

Ryans been creating alot of chances though, and the game he was scoring it was with the guys who will be his linemates.

Ryans been creating alot of chances though, and the game he was scoring it was with the guys who will be his linemates.
Ryan certainly sounded good yesterday.

But there's plenty of reasons why he might not make it. They may decide he's not good enough, he may falter, someone may improve a lot, or it may just be cap reasons. I'm just saying, Ebbett might be high on the list if they decide to kick Ryan down for whatever reason.

Cool feature on the Ducks website about Ebbett and Festerling making it past the last round of cuts. http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=384552

They sound like they have good heads on their shoulders, especially Festerling.

Carlyle seems to like Ebbett's offensive abilities too. If Ryan falters (0 points in the last 4 games) and Carter doesn't work with Teemu, I'm thinking it's Ebbett up next and not Lindstrom.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see Ebbet up at the start of the season instead of Ryan because of cap reasons. I'd much rather have Ryan, but hey you gotta do what you gotta do. Anyone know what his cap hit would be instead of Ryan's?

Wouldn't it make the lines kinda confusing though?
Kunitz-Getzlaf-Perry
Ebbett-Morrison-Selanne
Moen-Pahlsson-R.Niedermayer
4th line...

So QP has now been sent down..

Does that make Ebbett the likely choice for the top 6?

It appears Lindstrom has been claimed by the Hawks also

Just saw this... that kind of sucks but it shouldn't be a huge loss.

Ducks lose Lindstrom to Chicago
October 3rd, 2008, 9:57 am · Post a Comment · posted by DAN WOOD, OCREGISTER.COM

The Chicago Blackhawks on Friday claimed left wing Joakim Lindstrom off waivers from the Ducks.

Burke follows up his IMO great Schneider trade with a lousy demotion of Ryan. His performance since the Selanne/Nieds crisis has been uneven at best.

So by my count there are still two cuts to be made at forward (not including the injured kids). Who goes?

Burke follows up his IMO great Schneider trade with a lousy demotion of Ryan. His performance since the Selanne/Nieds crisis has been uneven at best.

Interesting that you say that, cause I was kind of tossing this around this morning. How much do we / should we hold Selanne and Niedermayer responsible for this financial mess?

They are absolutely my favourite Ducks of all time, Selanne especially, but THEY caused this crisis. Everything Burke has done stems from their actions. I have to say that it pisses me off a bit in spite of how much I like them as players.

Interesting that you say that, cause I was kind of tossing this around this morning. How much do we / should we hold Selanne and Niedermayer responsible for this financial mess?

They are absolutely my favourite Ducks of all time, Selanne especially, but THEY caused this crisis. Everything Burke has done stems from their actions. I have to say that it pisses me off a bit in spite of how much I like them as players.
I'm in exactly the same place, although I never gave much of a crap about Niedermayer.

Burke and Carlyle obviously had a strong vision for the team's present and future. Selanne and Nieds did their thing and Burke's been scrambling ever since.

Interesting that you say that, cause I was kind of tossing this around this morning. How much do we / should we hold Selanne and Niedermayer responsible for this financial mess?

They are absolutely my favourite Ducks of all time, Selanne especially, but THEY caused this crisis. Everything Burke has done stems from their actions. I have to say that it pisses me off a bit in spite of how much I like them as players.
I hold them a little responsible. More Niedermayer than Selanne, he was under contract. But mostly Burke for signing Bertuzzi. He spent money that he didn't know he had. Niedermayer returned, meaning we didn't have the money. Crappiness ensued.

didnt we lose a 2nd rounder for lindstrom?

what was the point of that?

didnt we lose a 2nd rounder for lindstrom?

what was the point of that?
If I remember correctly, we traded a conditional pick for Lindstrom. It could have been a 4th if he played some number of games, or a 7th if he didn't.

If I remember correctly, we traded a conditional pick for Lindstrom. It could have been a 4th if he played some number of games, or a 7th if he didn't.

I believe if he played half the season or more it would have been a 4th rounder in 2010 other wise it's 7th in 2010.

So does that mean we owe them a 7th for sure? No big deal but I wonder how that works now.

From TSN:

The Vancouver Canucks placed forward Jeff Cowan on waivers on Saturday, while the club lost defenceman Nathan McIver to the Anaheim Ducks via the waiver wire as well.


Why on earth would they claim another defenseman on waivers?

But mostly Burke for signing Bertuzzi. He spent money that he didn't know he had. Niedermayer returned, meaning we didn't have the money. Crappiness ensued.

That sounds like an awful lot like you just hate Bertuzzi... and who can argue that. But those statements you made there apply much more so to Schneider's contract than Bertuzzi's.

From TSN:

The Vancouver Canucks placed forward Jeff Cowan on waivers on Saturday, while the club lost defenceman Nathan McIver to the Anaheim Ducks via the waiver wire as well.


Why on earth would they claim another defenseman on waivers?

2-way contract, most likely he's Chopped.

From TSN:

Why on earth would they claim another defenseman on waivers?

We probably need to fill a roster spot after losing Lindstrom to Chic-Ago.

7th D-man. I guess Burke and company wanted Festerling to develop a bit more.

Thought this was interesting. Apparently Larsen is going to be out at least 6 weeks. Will the team send him down now so he won't count against the cap? Or do they keep him up and not have to pay him?

That sounds like an awful lot like you just hate Bertuzzi... and who can argue that. But those statements you made there apply much more so to Schneider's contract than Bertuzzi's.
I do just hate Bertuzzi.

But I do have rational reasons for hating his signing. His signing was worse than Schneider's is because 1) Bertuzzi was signed later, after we'd already committed money (if you suspect there's a 50% chance someone returns, you better only spend 50% of your money) 2) We had better forwards prospects to fill in than D (Ryan, Miller, Carter) 3) Burke himself said after signing Schneider that he wouldn't do any more 4) Bertuzzi was a much bigger risk to not live up to his contract, having only played 15 games (31 if you include playoffs) and having injury concerns 5) Related to 4, even Bertuzzi's last full season was bad (he was still a floater, a liability, and a dumb player in 07, despite the 71 points)


Thought this was interesting. Apparently Larsen is going to be out at least 6 weeks. Will the team send him down now so he won't count against the cap? Or do they keep him up and not have to pay him?
It doesn't matter much either way. He can be on LTIR, and he gets the same money either way (I believe it's a 1-way). We wouldn't risk losing him on waivers.

On the other hand, sending him down would probably save just a little cap space. LTIR only provides extra money if you're exceeding the cap. We need to save up as much cap room as possible to make it easier to fit in Ryan.

Thought this was interesting. Apparently Larsen is going to be out at least 6 weeks. Will the team send him down now so he won't count against the cap? Or do they keep him up and not have to pay him?

This is one injury when I hope the player is out indefinitely long. Please take your time.

2-way contract, most likely he's Chopped.

Can they send down a guy claimed on waivers? I know at least the old team gets a crack at re-claiming him first. Not sure if there are any other issues.

We probably need to fill a roster spot after losing Lindstrom to Chic-Ago.

Claiming a forward would have that make sense.

Festerling wouldn't have been sent down if McIver wasn't intended to be the 7th d-man. I'm not saying he's definitely going to stick around long but he''ll be on the opening night roster for sure.

Ebbett and Donally sent down. Ducks roster set for opening night with 23 players. Per Ducks website.

Forwards
# Player Height Weight DOB Age Birthplace
20 Ryan Carter 6' 2" 202 Aug 3, 1983 25 St. Paul, MN, USA
15 Ryan Getzlaf 6' 4" 221 May 10, 1985 23 Regina, SK, CAN
14 Chris Kunitz 6' 0" 193 Sep 26, 1979 29 Regina, SK, CAN
29 Brad Larsen 6' 0" 210 Jun 28, 1977 31 Nakusp, BC, CAN
22 Todd Marchant 5' 10" 182 Aug 12, 1973 35 Buffalo, NY, USA
24 Brad May 6' 1" 213 Nov 29, 1971 36 Toronto, ON, CAN
32 Travis Moen 6' 2" 216 Apr 6, 1982 26 Swift Current, SK, CAN
7 Brendan Morrison 5' 11" 181 Aug 15, 1975 33 Pitt Meadows, BC, CAN
44 Rob Niedermayer 6' 2" 201 Dec 28, 1974 33 Cassiar, BC, CAN
26 Samuel Pahlsson 6' 0" 204 Dec 17, 1977 30 Ornskol, SWE
16 George Parros 6' 5" 231 Dec 29, 1979 28 Washington, PA, USA
10 Corey Perry 6' 3" 209 May 16, 1985 23 Peterborough, ON, CAN
8 Teemu Selanne 6' 0" 200 Jul 3, 1970 38 Helsinki, FIN
17 Brian Sutherby 6' 3" 209 Mar 1, 1982 26 Edmonton, AB, CAN


Defensemen
# Player Height Weight DOB Age Birthplace
23 Francois Beauchemin 6' 0" 207 Jun 4, 1980 28 Sorel, QC, CAN
40 Kent Huskins 6' 4" 205 May 4, 1979 29 Almont, ON, CAN
2 Ken Klee 6' 1" 210 Apr 24, 1971 37 Indianapolis, IN, USA
6 Nathan McIver 6' 3" 205 Jan 6, 1985 23 Summerside, PE, CAN
5 Steve Montador 6' 0" 210 Dec 21, 1979 28 Vancouver, BC, CAN
27 Scott Niedermayer 6' 1" 195 Aug 31, 1973 35 Edmonton, AB, CAN
25 Chris Pronger 6' 6" 214 Oct 10, 1974 33 Dryden, ON, CAN

Why in the hell is Larsen still up? I guess this will be the opening night lineup:

Kunitz/Carter-Getzlaf-Perry
Kunitz/Carter-Morrison-Selanne
Moen-Pahlsson-R.Niedermayer
Sutherby-Marchant-Parros

S.Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Pronger-Klee
Huskins-Montador

Jiggy

I miss Ryan already...

Larsen is injured, and injured players who require waivers might not be able to be sent down. I don't really understand it.

13.6 Injured Player Loan to Minor Leagues. A Player who is otherwise required to clear Regular Waivers and who is injured while on an NHL roster can be placed on Regular Waivers and be Loaned to a minor league club prior to appropriate medical clearance being granted only if the Player was on NHL Recall at the time of injury and has not played ten (10) NHL Games (cumulative) or remained on the NHL roster for thirty (30) days (cumulative) since his Recall. Player shall receive his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and benefits until appropriate medical clearance is granted. All other Players may not be Loaned until appropriate medical clearance is granted.

A Player who is otherwise required to clear Regular Waivers who is
injured during Training Camp must clear Regular Waivers if he remains on an NHL roster for thirty (30) days (cumulative) during his injury or if he plays ten (10) NHL Games (cumulative) before being Loaned to a minor league club.

I think we're stuck with him.

Larsen is injured, and injured players who require waivers might not be able to be sent down. I don't really understand it.



I think we're stuck with him.

gay...

This years Mowers.

gay...

This years Mowers.
The worst part is how that 535k that goes to Larsen is 535k in cap space we're not saving up to recall QP sooner. I don't believe LTIR helps us because we're below the cap, and (I think) LTIR only helps teams who exceed the cap.

I thought you'd be allowed to exceed the cap by that amount? Is that only if you're over or at?

I thought you'd be allowed to exceed the cap by that amount? Is that only if you're over or at?
It's only by the amount of that player's salary that takes us over the cap. Just look at the "general example" in the "bona-fide long-term injury/illness" section.

They say if a team who's at 39.5 million of a 40 mill cap has a 1.5 million dollar player on LTIR, the first 500k counts like normal, but they can exceed the cap by 1.0 million.

So us using LTIR would mean we're not saving cap space to fit in Ryan.

It's only by the amount of that player's salary that takes us over the cap. Just look at the "general example" in the "bona-fide long-term injury/illness" section.

They say if a team who's at 39.5 million of a 40 mill cap has a 1.5 million dollar player on LTIR, the first 500k counts like normal, but they can exceed the cap by 1.0 million.

So us using LTIR would mean we're not saving cap space to fit in Ryan.

Indeed. The best situation for the Ducks would be Marchant going down and put on LTIR, then Ducks could call up Ryan and go over the cap.

Unstickied. Camp is over.