Selanne may stay in Anaheim for two years

Good stuff

“Obviously, I want to finish my career in Anaheim, with the Ducks. That’s a big thing for me. That’s why a two-year deal would work better, but let’s see what happens.”

http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2008/09/19/selanne-thinking-maybe-two-years/#more-882

This would be terrific news. Reason # 100 why Selanne is truly one of the most gracious atheletes in sports today.

This would be terrific news. Reason # 100 why Selanne is truly one of the most gracious atheletes in sports today.

It would also allow Burke to low-ball him this season, give him a decent payday next season, and keep the cap hit reasonable.

Seriously, this guy is all heart and soul.

It would also allow Burke to low-ball him this season, give him a decent payday next season, and keep the cap hit reasonable.

That's a good point. That's one way to get him signed cheaply though. But his cap hit averages out though but that would definitely help with the budget.

That's a good point. That's one way to get him signed cheaply though. But his cap hit averages out though but that would definitely help with the budget.

Isnt there a rule where if a player over 35 signs a multi year deal the 2nd year acts as the cap hit no matter what he is being paid during the other years? I need to look this up.

Isnt there a rule where if a player over 35 signs a multi year deal the 2nd year acts as the cap hit no matter what he is being paid during the other years? I need to look this up.
This rule is exactly what scares me. If Selanne can't play for whatever reason, like he's injured or just he wants to retire, we'd be stuck with his cap hit anyways.

That said, 2 years of Selanne is certainly a good thing for everybody. Except for Bobby Ryan.

If you really want to look it up it's in article 50, where they talk about how the cap is counted.

Ok, what the CBA says is that any player who signs a multi-year deal over the age of 35 will count against the cap no matter what.....he retires, gets hurt, ect, the cap number will still be in effect. Now, because of this, Im pretty sure the median number (or year 2) will be the number counted against the cap no matter what, to insure that a player isnt signed to a deal that is descending in salary and retires after the first year, in effect getting an expensive player for less after averaging each year of the contract.

Im not 100% sure if this is right, but if it is, it would dissuade Burke into giving Teemu a bunch of money in the 2nd year of a two year contract.

Edit: And of course I found someone else who explained it a million times better than me, mere minutes after writing this. Bleh.

Actually there is a rule in the CBA where a player, who is 35 or older and signs a multi-year deal will have the 2nd year on count against the cap (minus $100k) no matter what happens. This was to prevent teams from signing older players to frontloaded contracts to get a lower cap number and then have the players retire so they never actually have to pay the remainder of the contract.

For example.....let say a team signed a 35 year old defenseman to a 3 year deal.

His 1st year he makes $6 million.

His 2nd year he makes $4 million and

His 3rd year he makes $2 million.

The player would have a cap hit of $4 million over three years. But if he retires after the first year then the team actually got a $6 million player for a $4 million cap hit without any consequences.....they just cheated the league out of $2 million. That is why the rule is in place.

Ok, what the CBA says is that any player who signs a multi-year deal over the age of 35 will count against the cap no matter what.....he retires, gets hurt, ect, the cap number will still be in effect. Now, because of this, Im pretty sure the median number (or year 2) will be the number counted against the cap no matter what, to insure that a player isnt signed to a deal that is descending in salary and retires after the first year, in effect getting an expensive player for less after averaging each year of the contract.

Im not 100% sure if this is right, but if it is, it would dissuade Burke into giving Teemu a bunch of money in the 2nd year of a two year contract.

Edit: And of course I found someone else who explained it a million times better than me, mere minutes after writing this. Bleh.
Hmm. Looking more closely, I think you're mistaken.

It's not that the 2nd year is the cap hit. It's that in the 2nd year and after, the cap hit still applies no matter what. The cap hit is still the same average salary as calculated using all years, including year 1. Although there is that 100k discount.

So your first assertion is right, but the bold part isn't.

PS, you used the summary of a Kings fan, and not the one I wrote earlier? For shame. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=15386656

Sounds great :)

Ducks would be better off if he is two one year deals (obviously not at the same time but wait a year, then re-sign a one year extension; Burke & Selanne can have a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" type of agreement) instead of one two year deal. Even if he has a "low-ball" deal the first year - anything "reasonable" in the 2nd year would average out the cap hit to require more than just Schneider needed to be dealt.

Also is less risky from the Ducks POV - in case Selanne retires after one year.

What happened to "one year deals keep me motivated"? :sarcasm:

Given his indecisiveness the past two years plus the 35+ rule, I don't want to see him signed to a multi-year deal unless the cap hit is extremely small...like <$1M.

Given his indecisiveness the past two years plus the 35+ rule, I don't want to see him signed to a multi-year deal unless the cap hit is extremely small...like <$1M.
I can see Selanne maybe signing a low-ball deal for one-year (helping the team because of it's cap situation) - but not a multi-year deal. Ducks have plenty of cap space in 2009/10 - no reason for him to be making peanuts then.

Ducks have plenty of cap space in 2009/10 - no reason for him to be making peanuts then.
If he's actually here to earn it, that is.

I think the likelihood of him not returning next year is too high to warrant a high cap-hit, multi-year deal.

If he's actually here to earn it, that is.

I think the likelihood of him not returning next year is too high to warrant a high cap-hit, multi-year deal.
I realize that - but I was referring to from Selanne's perspective.

Selanne made the decision to play this year a long time ago though.

I think playing in the 2010 olympics is going to motivate him to play beyond this year

I'm just glad the guy is thinking about playing for two more years. It's great to know that one of the greatest scorers of all time might continue on past this year with our team and it also shows that he must be feeling REALLY good physically. I'm absolutely amazed that he plays as well as he does at his age. Can't wait to see him on Wednesday vs the Sharks. :-)

Selanne is one of my favorite NHL'ers both as a player and a person. I don't think there will be any problems for him this year if Burke can somehow find a way to sign him. However, if he is signed for two years, I don't know how well he can play in 2010. He will be 39 by then and I don't think he will be as effective. I think the Ducks should make sure Bobby Ryan gets ample ice-time in the NHL this season playing with good linemates where he has an opportunity to put up some points. They will need him to provide offense for the team next year.

Selanne is one of my favorite NHL'ers both as a player and a person. I don't think there will be any problems for him this year if Burke can somehow find a way to sign him. However, if he is signed for two years, I don't know how well he can play in 2010. He will be 39 by then and I don't think he will be as effective. I think the Ducks should make sure Bobby Ryan gets ample ice-time in the NHL this season playing with good linemates where he has an opportunity to put up some points. They will need him to provide offense for the team next year.

Oh I forgot how the jump from being a 38 year old this year to a 39 year old next year will significantly affect his stats... It's that "magical" year when you suddenly become completely washed-up. :sarcasm:

Selanne is one of my favorite NHL'ers both as a player and a person. I don't think there will be any problems for him this year if Burke can somehow find a way to sign him. However, if he is signed for two years, I don't know how well he can play in 2010. He will be 39 by then and I don't think he will be as effective. I think the Ducks should make sure Bobby Ryan gets ample ice-time in the NHL this season playing with good linemates where he has an opportunity to put up some points. They will need him to provide offense for the team next year.
Bobby Ryan is being converted to LW, he's going to be playing with Getzlaf and Perry to start the year. I'd almost bank on that..

Hmm. Looking more closely, I think you're mistaken.

It's not that the 2nd year is the cap hit. It's that in the 2nd year and after, the cap hit still applies no matter what. The cap hit is still the same average salary as calculated using all years, including year 1. Although there is that 100k discount.

So your first assertion is right, but the bold part isn't.

PS, you used the summary of a Kings fan, and not the one I wrote earlier? For shame. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=15386656

You are absolutely right.

Selanne made the decision to play this year a long time ago though.

I think playing in the 2010 olympics is going to motivate him to play beyond this year
In related news, the Times said today that Scotty hinted that HE might stay for 09-10 to play in the Olympics. http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-elliott20-2008sep20,0,7706955.column
Niedermayer said in June that he'd return for the final season of his contract, though he said Friday the thought of continuing through 2009-10 to play for Canada in the Vancouver Olympics had resonated with him.

That's another topic for another day.

Bobby Ryan is being converted to LW, he's going to be playing with Getzlaf and Perry to start the year. I'd almost bank on that..
Are you sure he'll be with Getzlaf and Perry. The papers continue to predict that he'll be on the 2nd line.

In related news, the Times said today that Scotty hinted that HE might stay for 09-10 to play in the Olympics. http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-elliott20-2008sep20,0,7706955.column



Are you sure he'll be with Getzlaf and Perry. The papers continue to predict that he'll be on the 2nd line.

It wouldn't surprise me if Scott played for another year and that he might be thinking about playing in the Olympics since they will take place in his home province. The question is whether or not he will be playing with the Ducks.

I would rather see Ryan with Getzlaf and Perry because as they showed last year, Getzlaf and Perry were the main cogs in their line and whoever played with them was the main beneficiary. Carlyle usually likes to pair skaters together on lines and then add a third skater. If Getzlaf and Perry are paired together on the first line, I Kuni and Teemu would make a good second pairing because Kuni has the speed to keep up with Teemu and they are used to skating together on the same line.

In related news, the Times said today that Scotty hinted that HE might stay for 09-10 to play in the Olympics. http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-elliott20-2008sep20,0,7706955.column



Are you sure he'll be with Getzlaf and Perry. The papers continue to predict that he'll be on the 2nd line.

I'd be surprised but I could see Carlyle wanting some speed on that top line and going with Kunitz.

If he's actually here to earn it, that is.

I think the likelihood of him not returning next year is too high to warrant a high cap-hit, multi-year deal.

To suggest Selanne is not going to try to earn his (discounted) paycheck is absurd.

Guys, would you say Selanne is a virtual lock for this year?

He hung around my fantasy draft pretty late last night, so I scooped him. Do you think he'll be ready to start the year...and possible linemates?

Thanks.

Guys, would you say Selanne is a virtual lock for this year?

He hung around my fantasy draft pretty late last night, so I scooped him. Do you think he'll be ready to start the year...and possible linemates?

Thanks.

I really don't think there is any way that he doesn't start the year, however that's not a given. His linemates will most likely be Morrison and one of Kunitz or Ryan, possibily Carter.

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