Schneider Clears Waivers; Burke Responds (No Burke Bashing)

Here are Burke's thoughts about the Schneider situation.
As usual, there are lots of things that can happen.

Let's keep this a non Burke bashing thread (use the other one).

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=382137

Feel free to speculate or play GM below.

Interesting read.....wonder what the bigger deal was/is.

On what the Ducks would have to net for a deal to make sense,

"One of the proposals that was made to us, we got a player back and a draft pick, but the player involved was on a multi-year deal, which I wasn’t interested in. Another proposal was a much bigger deal, where Mathieu would be a part of it and there would be significant assets moving both ways. He would not be the feature asset in that trade. He would be included. There is a broad spectrum of possibilities here. It’s not that simple. I’m willing to look at a much bigger deal as well." - Burke

So does anyone want to guess who the "featured asset" would be with MS as a throw in?

Bobby Ryan, Kunitz, Perry?

This is acommen line with Burke when he explains things---

As long as Getz and Perry stay, I'd like to see a deal for both Sedins coming here. They'd be a great second line, could be signed long term and would give the team a really nice offensive core moving forward.

Looks like he's preparing us for an unpopular move.

The whole damn thing is unpopular. It's really astonishing to see how one man's inability to make a decision and another man's inability to deal with that has cascaded into this mess.

Interesting stuff.

I saw a few Ducks fans justify Burke's move (i.e. putting him on waivers) by saying that he did it for Schneider - that the Kings would pick him up, be unable to trade him at the deadline (because he was claimed off waivers), and that this would be beneficial for him and his family. While that would've shown incredible foresight and consideration of Burke, that was clearly not the case.

Schneider is an old couch that Burke doesn't want to haul to the dump. So he says, "ah crap, I'll just leave it on the curb and see if anyone wants to claim it".

Unfortunately for him, nobody took the couch and now Burke has to find a way to get rid of it. He doesn't have a truck of his own so he has to convince his neighbors (other GMs) to help him out.

I'm not bashing Burke at all. Just saying that he's in a bad situation and is going to need to find an innovative way to get out of it, or at least get out of it without losing too much. Any way you spin it, things are not good. Then again, this is why we have the cap.

As long as Getz and Perry stay, I'd like to see a deal for both Sedins coming here. They'd be a great second line, could be signed long term and would give the team a really nice offensive core moving forward.

Have you seen anything suggesting this? I'm not sure how we'd be able scrape together enough value to make it happen without giving up Getzlaf or Perry. Ryan, Kunitz, a pick...I suppose Mietra, MacMillan...I dunno. Wouldn't mind seeing it though.

I've gotta say, for all the bashing Burke gets, and some of it rightfully so, its nice to have a GM who feels required to explain some of the decision-making process. I don't think for a second that what he said is the whole story, or even 100% accurate. But he understands the need for teams to entertain their fans beyond goals and fights, and that responsibility includes him. Fascinating read.

Interesting stuff.

I saw a few Ducks fans justify Burke's move (i.e. putting him on waivers) by saying that he did it for Schneider - that the Kings would pick him up, be unable to trade him at the deadline (because he was claimed off waivers), and that this would be beneficial for him and his family. While that would've shown incredible foresight and consideration of Burke, that was clearly not the case.

Schneider is an old couch that Burke doesn't want to haul to the dump. So he says, "ah crap, I'll just leave it on the curb and see if anyone wants to claim it".

Unfortunately for him, nobody took the couch and now Burke has to find a way to get rid of it. He doesn't have a truck of his own so he has to convince his neighbors (other GMs) to help him out.

I'm not bashing Burke at all. Just saying that he's in a bad situation and is going to need to find an innovative way to get out of it, or at least get out of it without losing too much. Any way you spin it, things are not good. Then again, this is why we have the cap.

Its an interesting analogy that is somewhat accurate. Things aren't ideal, but when you consider that the move is forced by the return of the two best players who have put on the franchise's uniform, both of whom perform at an extremely high level, things done feel so grim to me. Awkward, but things get that way when you have to force things with the cap.

It's gonna be hard to trade Schneider as it is; I wouldn't be dreaming of the Sedins or anything like that.

Schneider is basically a negative asset.
GMs could've picked him up for free... but they didn't.

Here's the math:
<positive_asset> + Schneider = 0 (one way to get rid of him)
Schneider = <negative_asset> (e.g. a player on a bad contract)
<VERY positive_asset> + Schneider = <positive_asset>

The good news for Ducks fans is that Selanne can be seen as part of the return if Burke manages to get rid of Schneider without taking any bad contracts back.

Burke lied in his statement. We know he doesn't go to the gym.

The featured player must be either Kunitz, Pahlsson, Beauchemin, or Bobby Ryan. Take your pick.

Clearly Schneider is a negative asset. Is the best move to .. nothing? Let someone pick Mattie up for half his salary and just suck up the balance. Sure Teemu can't be signed, unless he will take the minimum or something close and they can move Parros, May or another player on the 4th line 3rd pairing or extra skater.

Moving players that can help the club for 10 years to make cap room for 1 year of Teemu is not IMO a good deal.

Moving players that can help the club for 10 years to make cap room for 1 year of Teemu is not IMO a good deal.

Usually I would agree with your that thinking but we are in a "win now" mode. We need Teemu back if we have any chance to win another cup.

If I were a Ducks fan, I don't think I'd be all that frustrated with Burke, to be honest. Bertuzzi and Schneider seemed like decent options at the time, when the future of Selanne and Neidermayer were unclear. There weren't a whole lot of people criticizing him at the time, and I find it a little hypocritical to do so now. Bertuzzi bombed and Schneider seemed to work out pretty well last season. That's how free agent signings go. Burke had to do something. Hindsight is 20/20. Even now, Bertuzzi is gone, and it won't take long before Schneider is too. Then, the Ducks will be right back to having an excellent team, featuring both Selanne and Neidermayer, once again. Even if you end up losing a 2nd round, or something similar, to unload Schneider, you still have a very good, contending team, just like you've had for years. So what's to be so frustrated about? Not that many of you are. It just seems like this whole Selanne/Neidermayer, salary cap mess wasn't really Burke's doing.

It's not like the Ducks have a ton of bad contracts. Marchant's isn't great, but the Ducks had to unload Fedorov. I guess you could say it's their own fault for giving Fedorov that deal, but he was coming off of a fantastic season in Detroit, and was a quality player for the Ducks before the lock-out. Plus, in my opinion, Burke dodged a bullet by not matching that Penner offer sheet.

As long as Getz and Perry stay, I'd like to see a deal for both Sedins coming here. They'd be a great second line, could be signed long term and would give the team a really nice offensive core moving forward.

There is absolutely no way the Canucks trade the Sedins if they are not at least getting back one of Getzlaf or Perry. Personally, it would need to be Getzlaf +. Not saying the Ducks would do it, but you have to look at the implications for the Canucks offense if they trade away the Sedins.

I think this proves a theory I've had(although I haven't published it) that Schneider on waivers was far from a last resort thing and was done because of the timing. Obviously Plan A was to dump the entire salary and receive nothing or little in return, and Plan B was to waive him. So, my guess is Plan C is something involving taking salary back. I think we'll see a trade within a week or so where Schneider is in fact dealt and we simply take some salary back, around the $2 million mark or so.

Burke lied in his statement. We know he doesn't go to the gym.

The featured player must be either Kunitz, Pahlsson, Beauchemin, or Bobby Ryan. Take your pick.

Beauchemin.

He'll prolly walk after this season anyways when some team offers him more than he's worth to be a #1 or #1a.

If I were a Ducks fan, I don't think I'd be all that frustrated with Burke, to be honest. Bertuzzi and Schneider seemed like decent options at the time, when the future of Selanne and Neidermayer were unclear. There weren't a whole lot of people criticizing him at the time, and I find it a little hypocritical to do so now. Bertuzzi bombed and Schneider seemed to work out pretty well last season. That's how free agent signings go. Burke had to do something. Hindsight is 20/20. Even now, Bertuzzi is gone, and it won't take long before Schneider is too. Then, the Ducks will be right back to having an excellent team, featuring both Selanne and Neidermayer, once again. Even if you end up losing a 2nd round, or something similar, to unload Schneider, you still have a very good, contending team, just like you've had for years. So what's to be so frustrated about? Not that many of you are. It just seems like this whole Selanne/Neidermayer, salary cap mess wasn't really Burke's doing.

It's not like the Ducks have a ton of bad contracts. Marchant's isn't great, but the Ducks had to unload Fedorov. I guess you could say it's their own fault for giving Fedorov that deal, but he was coming off of a fantastic season in Detroit, and was a quality player for the Ducks before the lock-out. Plus, in my opinion, Burke dodged a bullet by not matching that Penner offer sheet.

Wow finally, a non assinine post... Thank you.

People give Burke to much ***** on these boards. Let me explain

It seemed obvious that S.Niedermayer was going to retire to me. So he signs Schneider to a two year deal, which seemed ideal at the time because he would be Scotty's replacement, and his contract would end right when some of our youngsters were able to step up. He signs Bertuzzi to replace Teemu, who by the way always said he wanted to walk out on top. Now he signed Bert for to big of a salary that's a given, but it was a good idea at the time, just the price wasn't. Well what happens, Scotty and Teemu both come back. Even worse Teemu came back after we had already traded McDonald, who had the best chemistry with Selanne, but wasn't gelling with anyone else at wing. Now we're in cap hell. Burke manages to find a way to get everyone in under the cap, but we end up losing in the playoffs because Doug I'm to old to skate Weight sucks dick at the 2nd line center spot.

Burke looks like an idiot now, but those of us that use logic know that Schneider was a perfect candidate to fill Scotty's shoes short term and he did a damn good job doing it too. Burke basicly got screwed into this situation by Scotty and Teemu. I hate saying that because they are two of my favorite players, but to believe otherwise is dumb. Now unfortunately we're in the cap era, and we're in a sticky situation. Personally, I expect a couple of the following players to be gone before the season starts: Schneider, Beauchemin, May, Moen, and Marchant. Possibly Kunitz, but I doubt he goes anywhere.

If I were a Ducks fan, I don't think I'd be all that frustrated with Burke, to be honest. Bertuzzi and Schneider seemed like decent options at the time, when the future of Selanne and Neidermayer were unclear. There weren't a whole lot of people criticizing him at the time, and I find it a little hypocritical to do so now. Bertuzzi bombed and Schneider seemed to work out pretty well last season. That's how free agent signings go. Burke had to do something. Hindsight is 20/20. Even now, Bertuzzi is gone, and it won't take long before Schneider is too. Then, the Ducks will be right back to having an excellent team, featuring both Selanne and Neidermayer, once again. Even if you end up losing a 2nd round, or something similar, to unload Schneider, you still have a very good, contending team, just like you've had for years. So what's to be so frustrated about? Not that many of you are. It just seems like this whole Selanne/Neidermayer, salary cap mess wasn't really Burke's doing.

It's not like the Ducks have a ton of bad contracts. Marchant's isn't great, but the Ducks had to unload Fedorov. I guess you could say it's their own fault for giving Fedorov that deal, but he was coming off of a fantastic season in Detroit, and was a quality player for the Ducks before the lock-out. Plus, in my opinion, Burke dodged a bullet by not matching that Penner offer sheet.
I miss good posts and good posters like this. Thanks for restoring a little faith in the boards.

Although Bertuzzi and Fedorov never looked good to me. Not even at signings, as I didn't like them even before they joined the team. I just knew they would blow up. So I feel like I have the right to complain about them.

Yes, Penner was a bullet dodged. Even if he pans out, the risks were just too great to say it would be a smart move.

I'm going to assume Burke will still move Schneider, he'll just have to take a bad but lesser contract back. Then we'll need to move a few other guys to get some extra space. Waiving Marchant might also be a possible partial solution.

edit: forgot to mention, but I'd just like to point out that Ryan (he of the 1.9 million dollar contract) just may end up in the AHL as a cap casualty. It would really help if the NHLPA declined their option to terminate, but I kind of doubt they do.

Also, while Burke did screw up with Bertuzzi and possibly with Schneider, not only is hindsight 20/20 and they were near the top in terms of options to replace Scotty and Teemu on the FA market, but, it's also good that(in the Bertuzzi situation at least) he was able to admit he made a mistake and buy him out. Lesser GMs might've tried to hold on to Bert in hopes of vindicating themselves, but Burke at least had the sense to do his best to fix his mistake.

If I were a Ducks fan, I don't think I'd be all that frustrated with Burke, to be honest. Bertuzzi and Schneider seemed like decent options at the time, when the future of Selanne and Neidermayer were unclear. There weren't a whole lot of people criticizing him at the time, and I find it a little hypocritical to do so now. Bertuzzi bombed and Schneider seemed to work out pretty well last season. That's how free agent signings go. Burke had to do something. Hindsight is 20/20. Even now, Bertuzzi is gone, and it won't take long before Schneider is too. Then, the Ducks will be right back to having an excellent team, featuring both Selanne and Neidermayer, once again. Even if you end up losing a 2nd round, or something similar, to unload Schneider, you still have a very good, contending team, just like you've had for years. So what's to be so frustrated about? Not that many of you are. It just seems like this whole Selanne/Neidermayer, salary cap mess wasn't really Burke's doing.

It's not like the Ducks have a ton of bad contracts. Marchant's isn't great, but the Ducks had to unload Fedorov. I guess you could say it's their own fault for giving Fedorov that deal, but he was coming off of a fantastic season in Detroit, and was a quality player for the Ducks before the lock-out. Plus, in my opinion, Burke dodged a bullet by not matching that Penner offer sheet.

It was very refreshing to read this. You echo my sentiments precisely. When Schneider is moved and Selanne is back no one is even going to care the crap that went down during the summer.

There is absolutely no way the Canucks trade the Sedins if they are not at least getting back one of Getzlaf or Perry. Personally, it would need to be Getzlaf +. Not saying the Ducks would do it, but you have to look at the implications for the Canucks offense if they trade away the Sedins.

Well you won't be getting Getzlaf for anyone on your roster, sorry:yo:

Have you seen anything suggesting this? I'm not sure how we'd be able scrape together enough value to make it happen without giving up Getzlaf or Perry. Ryan, Kunitz, a pick...I suppose Mietra, MacMillan...I dunno. Wouldn't mind seeing it though.

Not a peep. Just my own speculation knowing Burke's hard on for the twins (think of two sets of twins on the Ducks!) and their impending UFA status.

I have another fantasy that involves Burke or Nonis signing them away from Vancouver next offseason with our big fat pile of nasty anti-HF caproom and whatnot.

This talk of the Sedins is hilarious

Did nobody read the articles about them demanding no trade clauses in their contract extensions?

Burke is a spin master so the only positive I can take from his statements is that apparently it isnt such a "panic button" situation as everyone is making it out to be. We dont have to sign Teemu right away, we dont have to get rid of Schnieder right away.

We dont have to freak out and do anything stupid

What gets me is:

1) The Kings didn't pick him up. They've signed players more broken down than Schneider ever will be (Norstrom and Blake off the top of my head) and have more than enough room for his salary.
2) Atlanta didn't pick him up. If ever a team needed veteran help (and a Marquee player to boot) on the Blueline it's this team.

What gets me is:

1) The Kings didn't pick him up. They've signed players more broken down than Schneider ever will be (Norstrom and Blake off the top of my head) and have more than enough room for his salary.
2) Atlanta didn't pick him up. If ever a team needed veteran help (and a Marquee player to boot) on the Blueline it's this team.

I'm also surprised LA didn't pick him up, for a myriad of reasons. Other than the obvious ones, like he's exactly what they need and could be flipped at the deadline for a nice package, but also because of the Bryz situation. DL openly said he messed up in not pursuing him at all before Phoenix landed him, and one would think he wouldn't make the same mistake twice. Maybe he's hopeful he can cut some other salary, like Derek Armstrong, for instance, in acquiring him.

I'm also surprised LA didn't pick him up, for a myriad of reasons. Other than the obvious ones, like he's exactly what they need and could be flipped at the deadline for a nice package, but also because of the Bryz situation. DL openly said he messed up in not pursuing him at all before Phoenix landed him, and one would think he wouldn't make the same mistake twice. Maybe he's hopeful he can cut some other salary, like Derek Armstrong, for instance, in acquiring him.

I'm not surprised at LA not picking up Bryz. Their goaltending scouts and goaltending coaches are idiots. This is a well known fact. They were dumb enough to beleive what Burke told them about him being a problem in the locker room. I probably could have sold the Kings front office beachfront property in Afghanistan as well since they're so gullible. Makes me wonder how talented the Kings front office really is.

Not a peep. Just my own speculation knowing Burke's hard on for the twins (think of two sets of twins on the Ducks!) and their impending UFA status.

I have another fantasy that involves Burke or Nonis signing them away from Vancouver next offseason with our big fat pile of nasty anti-HF caproom and whatnot.

This may have to stay a fantasy. On the UFA market you are likely looking at
$13-15M for the Sedins. Right now the Ducks have $25M in cap space and about
$19M in salary to spend under present budget conditions but need to add 14 roster
spots to fill out the team. I am not liking the math on this one.

This may have to stay a fantasy. On the UFA market you are likely looking at
$13-15M for the Sedins. Right now the Ducks have $25M in cap space and about
$19M in salary to spend under present budget conditions but need to add 14 roster
spots to fill out the team. I am not liking the math on this one.

He also fantasizes about romantic island getaways with Matt Damon. Is it 100% impossible...no. Is it likely? Probably not. Is it fun to think about...well for him, damn yeah!

He also fantasizes about romantic island getaways with Matt Damon. Is it 100% impossible...no. Is it likely? Probably not. Is it fun to think about...well for him, damn yeah!

Fair enough.

It would not surprise me at all to see the Ducks land a big name free agent next year. Living in SoCal has its pluses. Two will be tough, especially up front, unless Pronger can play 56 minutes a game.

Fair enough.

It would not surprise me at all to see the Ducks land a big name free agent next year. Living in SoCal has its pluses. Two will be tough, especially up front, unless Pronger can play 56 minutes a game.

Well, a lot of things can change over the course of a season. Contract extensions and semi-big trade or two can change the outlook dramatically. Things can also sour quickly between a team and player, especially where contracts are concerned. Assuming Selanne doesn't come back next season, there is going to be a need for second-line anchors. It's a very long-shot, but if the Sedins were to hit the market, I'd imagine circumstances such as a) location, b) connections to management, c) cap room, d) winning rep of late, would make the Ducks one of the top contenders.

But, like we've agreed upon, its an incredible long-shot. The Ducks may be content with locking up some key guys during the season, let the kids take a step forward, and acquiring support players to fill out the team in a transitional season.

Well, a lot of things can change over the course of a season. Contract extensions and semi-big trade or two can change the outlook dramatically. Things can also sour quickly between a team and player, especially where contracts are concerned. Assuming Selanne doesn't come back next season, there is going to be a need for second-line anchors. It's a very long-shot, but if the Sedins were to hit the market, I'd imagine circumstances such as a) location, b) connections to management, c) cap room, d) winning rep of late, would make the Ducks one of the top contenders.

But, like we've agreed upon, its an incredible long-shot. The Ducks may be content with locking up some key guys during the season, let the kids take a step forward, and acquiring support players to fill out the team in a transitional season.

Of course anything is possible. My comments were based on the assumption that
'the Ducks core is set for next year. With Getzlaf, Perry, Pronger, Giguere and Kunitz
the primary commitments are in place. But the cap means there is a limit to the number of big dollar contracts. There is no question that the Ducks are one of the
few teams that have the space to go for both the Sedins. But my bet would be the the team would see solidifying the defense going forward as a priority.

Of course anything is possible. My comments were based on the assumption that
'the Ducks core is set for next year. With Getzlaf, Perry, Pronger, Giguere and Kunitz
the primary commitments are in place. But the cap means there is a limit to the number of big dollar contracts. There is no question that the Ducks are one of the
few teams that have the space to go for both the Sedins. But my bet would be the the team would see solidifying the defense going forward as a priority.

Yes, that seems likely, considering where the team's focus has been in the past.

What gets me is:

1) The Kings didn't pick him up. They've signed players more broken down than Schneider ever will be (Norstrom and Blake off the top of my head) and have more than enough room for his salary.
2) Atlanta didn't pick him up. If ever a team needed veteran help (and a Marquee player to boot) on the Blueline it's this team.
Mild surprise 3:
3) That no contending teams put claims on him under the assumption that a higher-waiver priority team like LA picks him up. Just as a placeholder claim in case the lousy team decides to sell him at trade deadline.

Mild surprise 3:
3) That no contending teams put claims on him under the assumption that a higher-waiver priority team like LA picks him up. Just as a placeholder claim in case the lousy team decides to sell him at trade deadline.

Then again maybe at least the smarter GM's accurately read the tea leafs that he wasn't going to be claimed?

Then again maybe at least the smarter GM's accurately read the tea leafs that he wasn't going to be claimed?
Well yeah that's why it's only a mild surprise. I was more surprised that no one picked him up in the first place. It seemed like a decent enough bet that someone would have taken him. But maybe the GMs got to talking to make sure.


Anyways, the most annoying part about this whole situation is that we still have no resolution, and nothing will come about for awhile. Burke said that he doubts anything will be done until training camp, and maybe a big D gets injured or something. It really gets back into the timing thing.

Burke should have moved both Bryzgalov and Schneider much, much earlier. Either at the draft, on July 1st, or after the first wave of UFA. I just find it hard to believe that he couldn't have gotten a deal done then. That's really my main complaint with how he has handled those 2 situations. It seems like he held on in the hopes of a better return/more favorable situation, but ended up getting nothing.

I don't believe that Bobby Ryan will be a trade material. The other 29 teams have problems to claim an 39-year-old 5,75 mio Dollar expensive Defender. It would be strange if the other teams have money to pay 1,... Dollar for Bobby Ryan+Schneider. They have not money for only Schneider but they have money for Schneids AND Bobby Ryan. Very curious in my opinion.

p.s.: Sry, for my bad english.

I don't believe that Bobby Ryan will be a trade material. The other 29 teams have problems to claim an 39-year-old 5,75 mio Dollar expensive Defender. It would be strange if the other teams have money to pay 1,... Dollar for Bobby Ryan+Schneider. They have not money for only Schneider but they have money for Schneids AND Bobby Ryan. Very curious in my opinion.

Canucks have the cap space - but there's NO WAY Burke will ever deal Ryan IMHO (excluding somebody really overpaying for him of course).

Schneider only has "negative trade value" because of cap situation with the Ducks. Otherwise, he's a decent 2nd pairing defenseman - overpaid but that's mitigated by the fact he's only got a year left on his contract (which also negates somewhat his age).

My favorite favorite part of this whole thing is Burke's assurance that this will now go well into camp before being resolved. Yay.

Nothing like having uncertainty and distractions, and not having your best forward at camp, I say. Just make sure you don't have to send a pick when you deal Schneider, Burkie! That'd be the worst thing ever.

My favorite favorite part of this whole thing is Burke's assurance that this will now go well into camp before being resolved. Yay.

Nothing like having uncertainty and distractions, and not having your best forward at camp, I say. Just make sure you don't have to send a pick when you deal Schneider, Burkie! That'd be the worst thing ever.

All this was caused by one man's quest to find himself while still under contract... Seriously, Nieds caused a nasty chain reaction with his 'will i retire' stunt.

All this was caused by one man's quest to find himself while still under contract... Seriously, Nieds caused a nasty chain reaction with his 'will i retire' stunt.

Seriously, Niedermayer didn't have to sign with the Ducks in the first place. He came here and helped this organization become a winner and you want to question his contribution.

Burke should have moved both Bryzgalov and Schneider much, much earlier. Either at the draft, on July 1st, or after the first wave of UFA. I just find it hard to believe that he couldn't have gotten a deal done then. That's really my main complaint with how he has handled those 2 situations. It seems like he held on in the hopes of a better return/more favorable situation, but ended up getting nothing.

I agree that timing is indeed the critcal issue that seems to be plaguing Burke in many of these situations. In the case of Bryz, I think he actually should have waited a couple of weeks longer where he could have received a better return when the goaltending situation on several teams went south (Tampa, Boston, Phoenix, LA). In the case of Schneider, Burke's got less than 3 weeks to get the situation resolved which means that he's going to have to sweeten the pot significantly to get a deal done - probably Schneider + 1st for a 3rd.

Seriously, Niedermayer didn't have to sign with the Ducks in the first place. He came here and helped this organization become a winner and you want to question his contribution.

Signing with the Ducks has nothing to do with his decision to pull the retirement stunt while under contract.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. I see his point on the back end and the domino effect.

It seems Burke wasn't patient enough, could've waited one more day (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=54043)

It seems Burke wasn't patient enough, could've waited one more day (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=54043)

Couple things:

1. Patience is a virtue dammit Burke!!!
2. Do we really expect the Blues would want anything to do with Schneider? It's not like they see themselves as contenders...do they?
3. I thought if you claimed someone off waivers you CANNOT trade them at the deadline, and must wait one year?
4. This is all one man's fault...still.

If the Blues really interested in Schneiders services than will they acquire him for future considereations or so...

I feel your pain duck fans. It looks like teams know Burke is backed against a corner and won't be looking to do him any favors, especially for a five million dollar contract.

It cost Lamoriello a first to clear cap space a few years ago, it might cost Burke at least the same or something along those lines.

I'm going to assume Burke will still move Schneider, he'll just have to take a bad but lesser contract back. Then we'll need to move a few other guys to get some extra space. Waiving Marchant might also be a possible partial solution.




For months leading up to McCabe's trade,Snow kept insisting the Leafs had to add a high pick because it was a salary dump.Then just before the trade to FL was completed,Chris Botta wrote that it'd probably take a high pick and the isles sending back a salary.

If the isles are one of the teams who spoke to Burke,they probably told him the same thing they told Fletcher.Looking at what salary the isles might want to move,I'd guess it'd be Sutton who will earn $3m a yr for the next 2 yrs.

I feel your pain duck fans. It looks like teams know Burke is backed against a corner and won't be looking to do him any favors, especially for a five million dollar contract.

It cost Lamoriello a first to clear cap space a few years ago, it might cost Burke at least the same or something along those lines.

But really, it's not Burke that backed the team into the corner in the first place. It was Niedermayer and Selanne who backed Burke into a corner regarding their retirement issues. Had they made a decision and stuck with it, Burke and the Ducks wouldn't be in this situation.

I'm bored so I'll throw you guys a couple trade proposals

To Anaheim: Tom Priessing, Det 2009 4th round pick, Future Considerations
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Francois Beachemin

the future considerations is a 2010 2nd round pick if Beachemin resigns with the Kings.

orrrr

To Anaheim: Derek Armstrong, Matt Moulson
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Samuel Pahlsson, 2009 3rd round pick

last one ... Burke loves moller .. he's a great prospect but I'm sure Lombardi would be tempted by this deal.

To Los Angeles: Matheiu Schneider, Bobby Ryan
To Anaheim: Oscar Moller

I'm bored so I'll throw you guys a couple trade proposals

To Anaheim: Tom Priessing, Det 2009 4th round pick, Future Considerations
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Francois Beachemin

the future considerations is a 2010 2nd round pick if Beachemin resigns with the Kings.

orrrr

To Anaheim: Derek Armstrong, Matt Moulson
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Samuel Pahlsson, 2009 3rd round pick

last one ... Burke loves moller .. he's a great prospect but I'm sure Lombardi would be tempted by this deal.

To Los Angeles: Matheiu Schneider, Bobby Ryan
To Anaheim: Oscar Moller

No to all of them. Preissing makes more than Beauch, Pahlsson is worth about 1000X to Anaheim than Mat Moulson could ever be, and Bobby Ryan will never be traded under Burke's watch.

Actually check that, I think Burke would take a look at the 1st one.....I thought Armstrong was coming back as well.

I think the first one is close, but the other two are definite nos.

"I’m not surprised that he cleared. It’s not like when he cleared I was stunned. (but) I’m amazed, astonished, bewildered that he wasn’t claimed."

That makes sense. :sarcasm:

From dictionary.com:
amazed: greatly surprised (see surprise)
astonished: filled with the emotional impact of overwhelming surprise or shock (see synonyms at surprise)

But really, it's not Burke that backed the team into the corner in the first place. It was Niedermayer and Selanne who backed Burke into a corner regarding their retirement issues. Had they made a decision and stuck with it, Burke and the Ducks wouldn't be in this situation.

I'm not blamimg Burke, he did what he had to do. But that doesn't change the current situation that the Ducks are in. And isn't it ironic that both Lou and Burke got into cap trouble because of Niedermayer. Nieds bolting the Devils for the Ducks when Lou thought he was going to resign and forcing him to sign an couple of defensemen and Nieds retiring or thinking about it and forcing Burke to sign Matt.

This crap is keeping me from being able to start my Anaheim Ducks franchise on NHL09. Be a Pro is fun and all, but cripes.

This is the true tragedy of the mess.

No offense but Burke is an ***hole. The way Mathieu Schneider is being treated is horrible. He doesnt deserve this especially a defensemen of his class.

No offense but Burke is an ***hole. The way Mathieu Schneider is being treated is horrible. He doesnt deserve this especially a defensemen of his class.
What the hell are you talking about? Schneider knew the deal when he signed.

No offense but Burke is an ***hole. The way Mathieu Schneider is being treated is horrible. He doesnt deserve this especially a defensemen of his class.

You went to the trouble of pressing keyboard keys that many times in order to post drivel like that. Wow.

No offense but Burke is an ***hole. The way Mathieu Schneider is being treated is horrible. He doesnt deserve this especially a defensemen of his class.
Your reading is off. This is the no Burke bashing thread. You should have gone that-a-way (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=552071).

No offense but Burke is an ***hole. The way Mathieu Schneider is being treated is horrible. He doesnt deserve this especially a defensemen of his class.

so..trying to trade a player for salary cap reasons makes Burke an *******?

You should stop watching professional sports, players get traded constantly.

Schneider not going to camp. No surprise here.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=249975&lid=sublink03&lpos=headlines_main

so..trying to trade a player for salary cap reasons makes Burke an *******?

You should stop watching professional sports, players get traded constantly.

Burke should not be going backwards for Selanne and leave Schneider to get the shaft. Burke should set a time for Selanne to make up his mind. Its an embarassment to the player in this case that player is Schneider. Players get traded constantly I agree but in this case it doesnt seem right due to what I just stated.

Selanne made up his mind long ago. We've just been waiting for the cap room. Doesn't it bother you to have opinions with nothing to base them on?

Burke should not be going backwards for Selanne and leave Schneider to get the shaft. Burke should set a time for Selanne to make up his mind. Its an embarassment to the player in this case that player is Schneider. Players get traded constantly I agree but in this case it doesnt seem right due to what I just stated.

You're one thick cookie...Ducks have to get rid of Schneider REGARLDESS of what they do with Selanne, get it?

Schneider has to be moved before the season starts, no matter what.

So next time you decide to spew your anti-Burke crap here, atleast try come up with something better than crap like that even an Oilers fan would be ashamed of.

You're one thick cookie...Ducks have to get rid of Schneider REGARLDESS of what they do with Selanne, get it?

Schneider has to be moved before the season starts, no matter what.

So next time you decide to spew your anti-Burke crap here, atleast try come up with something better than crap like that even an Oilers fan would be ashamed of.

The NEXT TIME an Oilers fan visits, tell them to direct their venom at their own organization, because the Oilers went from a classy franchise when they first came in, and how Kevin Lowe got promoted from GM To President when if that was a true business, if you don't perform, aren't you bought out or fired not to mention the arrogance of said franchise if they hold on to an asset they have no intent of using
(Edmonton Road Runners)

At least Burke dealt straight forward when he left Portland for Iowa.

Let's not go there, some of those Oilers trolls are regularly searching for words "Pronger", "Oilers" and "Edmonton" in Ducks forum and that post will make their radars blink like a x-mas tree.

Let's not go there, some of those Oilers trolls are regularly searching for words "Pronger", "Oilers" and "Edmonton" in Ducks forum and that post will make their radars blink like a x-mas tree.

:handclap:

True.

To Anaheim: Derek Armstrong, Matt Moulson
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Samuel Pahlsson, 2009 3rd round pick

To Los Angeles: Matheiu Schneider, Bobby Ryan
To Anaheim: Oscar Moller

:laugh:

**** The Police

Burke should not be going backwards for Selanne and leave Schneider to get the shaft. Burke should set a time for Selanne to make up his mind. Its an embarassment to the player in this case that player is Schneider. Players get traded constantly I agree but in this case it doesnt seem right due to what I just stated.

If knowing you're worth less than Teemu Selanne is embarrassing, then there should be a lot of NHLers with red faces. It's not an embarrassment to know a team is going to do whatever it takes keep their franchise player. Selanne is a star in Anaheim, and he gets the privilege of taking his time with this stuff because he has earned it. Anaheim is glad to have him back even if it's at the cost of a great player like Schneider.

Not all players are equal. If the players felt like it wasn't fair to them, they don't need to stay in the NHL and make their millions. These guys get to do what they love and they get paid more in a few years than most people will make in a lifetime. Every job has its ups and downs, so pardon me if I'm not crying for Mathieu Schneider.

And also, Mathieu Schneider (by all accounts I've heard) is a very kind, very intelligent man. I doubt he takes this personally.

Burke should not be going backwards for Selanne and leave Schneider to get the shaft. Burke should set a time for Selanne to make up his mind. Its an embarassment to the player in this case that player is Schneider. Players get traded constantly I agree but in this case it doesnt seem right due to what I just stated.


Dude, Selanne has already made up his mind and he's returning to the Ducks - perhaps even for 2 years. He's even going to practice now without a contract. Schneider is unfortunately the odd man out. Also, you can't make a credible argument that Schneider is getting dissed by Burke. Last year, Burke could have easily traded him following Niedermeyer's return but chose not to out of respect to Schneider and his family. In all probability, Schneider will end up in LA.

No offense but Burke is an ***hole. The way Mathieu Schneider is being treated is horrible. He doesnt deserve this especially a defensemen of his class.

Oh please...

It's amazing how much people just want to hate Burke. Where as nobody is saying, "Scottie is an ******* because of what he did." The Ducks' best player, their captain, the Conn Smythe winner, can't decide what he and his 7 million dollar deal want to do half of the season? Burke only ever had the best interest of the team in mind, Scottie forced his hand. Not that I have any ill feelings towards Niedermayer at all, things like this happen, maybe not often, but sometimes people change their minds. Look at the Brett Favre situation, can you really blame either side? Like enough to want to curse profanities at them, etc? Burke did nothing morally wrong. The only thing you could argue was that he should have never given Schneider specifically that much money, but you can't blame him for spending to the cap and fielding the best team he could, you should applaud him for that.

I'm sure Schneider is just reeling in pain with the thought of being traded. He is very well compensated for his job. If only all of us could make 5 million dollars a year and have summers off.

What I don't get: Can we trade him without paying half of his salary? I mean, is there an option to trade him without sending him through waivers again?

Yeah. There's no recall waivers here, he was never sent to the minors.

So, what do the Ducks do if they cannot move Schneider?

Move somebody else?
Package deal?

So, what do the Ducks do if they cannot move Schneider?

Move somebody else?
Package deal?

There is no real option for the Ducks. They are $3M over the cap - plus they need to sign Selanne. In all probablity, Burke will have to move Schneider + Marchant and throw in picks and prospects to get a deal done.

There is no real option for the Ducks. They are $3M over the cap - plus they need to sign Selanne. In all probablity, Burke will have to move Schneider + Marchant and throw in picks and prospects to get a deal done.

If he call pull off moving Marchant I'd be shocked.

anyone wanna bet a 2nd is traded? Burke hates those anyway. Marchant+Schneider+2nd to _____

anyone wanna bet a 2nd is traded? Burke hates those anyway. Marchant+Schneider+2nd to _____

Too much salary, and no, I dont think a 2nd will be added, but that is just speculation on my part (plus we dont have a 2nd anyway).

Stolen from AD.

Burke was on "hockey this morning" on XM. Schneider talk starts at roughly 4:00. http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/burke_on_schneider/

He talks about Schneider. He says he has multiple offers (6-8). From slightly fewer teams (a couple teams have a few different offers).

He also talks about the format of the offers. One he mentions is Schneider for a pick. Why hasn't he jumped on that? There's also bigger possible types of moves. Schneider for a player, Schneider + player for player + pick. Burke says that all offers involve taking back less salary than 1/2 of Schneider's salary, so recall waivers is off the table (not like it ever really was for any rational posters).

He also mentions that he's limiting the teams to accommodate Schneider's wishes. This should limit any kind of "don't sign here" fallout, although it may suck in terms of trade assets.


Burke kind of seems to be waiting for an injury to kickstart things. Is this really wise? On one hand a big defenseman might get injured. Like EJ. Then a team will be desperate and might covet Schneider more. On the other hand, what are the chances it's a big Dman on a team that needs to compete now (St. Louis probably isn't). And what about the chances that a rookie has a great showing in camp, and actually takes away the need for a Schneider?

If we have any of those Europeans or 2nd round picks laying around, Burke will trade them.

Burke kind of seems to be waiting for an injury to kickstart things. Is this really wise? On one hand a big defenseman might get injured. Like EJ. Then a team will be desperate and might covet Schneider more. On the other hand, what are the chances it's a big Dman on a team that needs to compete now (St. Louis probably isn't). And what about the chances that a rookie has a great showing in camp, and actually takes away the need for a Schneider?

And the chances that injury is a complete season ending one, or the team has available cap space to absorb Schneid's contract.

Stolen from AD.

Burke was on "hockey this morning" on XM. Schneider talk starts at roughly 4:00. http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/burke_on_schneider/

He talks about Schneider. He says he has multiple offers (6-8). From slightly fewer teams (a couple teams have a few different offers).

He also talks about the format of the offers. One he mentions is Schneider for a pick. Why hasn't he jumped on that? There's also bigger possible types of moves. Schneider for a player, Schneider + player for player + pick. Burke says that all offers involve taking back less salary than 1/2 of Schneider's salary, so recall waivers is off the table (not like it ever really was for any rational posters).

He also mentions that he's limiting the teams to accommodate Schneider's wishes. This should limit any kind of "don't sign here" fallout, although it may suck in terms of trade assets.

Burke kind of seems to be waiting for an injury to kickstart things. Is this really wise? On one hand a big defenseman might get injured. Like EJ. Then a team will be desperate and might covet Schneider more. On the other hand, what are the chances it's a big Dman on a team that needs to compete now (St. Louis probably isn't). And what about the chances that a rookie has a great showing in camp, and actually takes away the need for a Schneider?

1. The "Schneider for a pick" scenario has to be complete BS, otherwise, why wouldn't the team in question have just picked up Schneider via waivers without having to give up a pick? I think what Burke meant to say was Schneider + a pick for a pick in return (e.g. Schneider + 1st for a 2nd).

2. The "limiting teams to accomodate Schneider" also sounds like BS. He put him on waivers just a week ago where he could have been snatched up by any team.

I think this is just a case of a rather feeble attempt on the part of Burke to apply some negotiating pressure via the press. Unfortunately, he's too cute by half here since most will see through this smokescreen. Just put a package together of Schneider + Marchant + 1st and see if that will entice some team to step up to the plate. The Ducks need to get Selanne signed ASAP.

1. The "Schneider for a pick" scenario has to be complete BS, otherwise, why wouldn't the team in question have just picked up Schneider via waivers without having to give up a pick? I think what Burke meant to say was Schneider + a pick for a pick in return (e.g. Schneider + 1st for a 2nd).

2. The "limiting teams to accomodate Schneider" also sounds like BS. He put him on waivers just a week ago where he could have been snatched up by any team.

I think this is just a case of a rather feeble attempt on the part of Burke to apply some negotiating pressure via the press. Unfortunately, he's too cute by half here since most will see through this smokescreen. Just put a package together of Schneider + Marchant + 1st and see if that will entice some team to step up to the plate. The Ducks need to get Selanne signed ASAP.
I agree on the BS calls. I am definitely interested in what happens... this is a unique situation. Especially unique because Schneider is still more than capable and as far as free agents go, not that bad of a contract.

1. The "Schneider for a pick" scenario has to be complete BS, otherwise, why wouldn't the team in question have just picked up Schneider via waivers without having to give up a pick? I think what Burke meant to say was Schneider + a pick for a pick in return (e.g. Schneider + 1st for a 2nd).

2. The "limiting teams to accomodate Schneider" also sounds like BS. He put him on waivers just a week ago where he could have been snatched up by any team.

I think this is just a case of a rather feeble attempt on the part of Burke to apply some negotiating pressure via the press. Unfortunately, he's too cute by half here since most will see through this smokescreen. Just put a package together of Schneider + Marchant + 1st and see if that will entice some team to step up to the plate. The Ducks need to get Selanne signed ASAP.

1. Doesn't necessarily have to be BS. I'm not completely sure on the rules but if a team picked him up off waivers they wouldn't be able to trade him without offering him to the other teams that put in a claim. Whereas if a team trades a pick, lets say a 4th or 5th rounder for him, they can trade him without restrictions for something probably better than a 4th or 5th rounder during the season.

2. Sound more like BS, but given the way Burke treats his players wouldn't be all that surprising. It's possible that Burke tried to work out a deal with teams that would work better for Schneider, but then got fed up and put him on waivers. But again, yeah this sounds more like BS.

Teams will want more than mattie. They will want Ryan and/or a Duck draft pick. If not, the other team will also be dumping rosterd players the Ducks do not want, or can't afford.

My worst case scenario - Burke trades Mattie and Ryan to the Leafs for, lets just use SoCal hockey phenom Robbie Earl. Burke can then sign Teemu and room for another winger. the seaosn is over, Burke leaves for toronoto, mattie's contrast is over, he has the #1 over-all pick (tavares) and Ryan.

1. Doesn't necessarily have to be BS. I'm not completely sure on the rules but if a team picked him up off waivers they wouldn't be able to trade him without offering him to the other teams that put in a claim. Whereas if a team trades a pick, lets say a 4th or 5th rounder for him, they can trade him without restrictions for something probably better than a 4th or 5th rounder during the season...

... yeah this sounds more like BS.

Since no one put a claim in on him when he was on waivers it is pretty clear that the "not being able to trade him without offerering him to others who put a claim on him" theory can be put to rest. The Kings or Thrashers could heave picked him up for free then traded him at the deadline for nothing but chose not to, this very clearly shows that Schneider is a negative asset, considering that any team in the league could have had him for free then traded him for assets at or near the deadline.

I think the best case senario for the Ducks is Schneider + 1st pick for a 3rd or 4th picks back

Worst case is that Burke has to give up prospects/roster players (not named Marchant [NTC, high cap hit]) along with Schneider for a low pick.

Schneider is still capable but he will be had for a great bargain.

Since no one put a claim in on him when he was on waivers it is pretty clear that the "not being able to trade him without offerering him to others who put a claim on him" theory can be put to rest. The Kings or Thrashers could heave picked him up for free then traded him at the deadline for nothing but chose not to, this very clearly shows that Schneider is a negative asset, considering that any team in the league could have had him for free then traded him for assets at or near the deadline.

I think the best case senario for the Ducks is Schneider + 1st pick for a 3rd or 4th picks back

Worst case is that Burke has to give up prospects/roster players (not named Marchant [NTC, high cap hit]) along with Schneider for a low pick.

Schneider is still capable but he will be had for a great bargain.

I don't think teams know how many or which other teams put in a claim until after the fact.

Hopefully we will soon see if Schneider is a negative asset or not. If it's something like the Schneider + 1st for 3rd or 4th like you said, then he should try and package Marchant as well to get more salary off.

After Burke trades Schneider and let's say he only has 3 million cap space available to sign Teemu, can he sign him for a 2 year contract of 6 million, payable 5 million this year and 1 million next year.

Would the cap hit be 3 million? If so, and Teemu doesn"t play (retires) next year he loses the 1 million and effectively was paid 5 million this year.

After Burke trades Schneider and let's say he only has 3 million cap space available to sign Teemu, can he sign him for a 2 year contract of 6 million, payable 5 million this year and 1 million next year.

Would the cap hit be 3 million? If so, and Teemu doesn"t play (retires) next year he loses the 1 million and effectively was paid 5 million this year.
You would have to do 4+2 because the salary can not drop or raise more the 50% in one year...and...Teemu would still count for 3 million next year if he retired because he is over 35.

Since no one put a claim in on him when he was on waivers it is pretty clear that the "not being able to trade him without offerering him to others who put a claim on him" theory can be put to rest. The Kings or Thrashers could heave picked him up for free then traded him at the deadline for nothing but chose not to, this very clearly shows that Schneider is a negative asset, considering that any team in the league could have had him for free then traded him for assets at or near the deadline.
The problem with your conclusion is that no one knows who puts a claim or not. It's not revealed until after the waivers is over. It's possible that Thrashers/Kings/whoever thought that other teams would also put in claims in a giant game of chicken.
Teams will want more than mattie. They will want Ryan and/or a Duck draft pick. If not, the other team will also be dumping rosterd players the Ducks do not want, or can't afford.

My worst case scenario - Burke trades Mattie and Ryan to the Leafs for, lets just use SoCal hockey phenom Robbie Earl. Burke can then sign Teemu and room for another winger. the seaosn is over, Burke leaves for toronoto, mattie's contrast is over, he has the #1 over-all pick (tavares) and Ryan.
Why does everyone think Burke will make ***** trades to favor a possible future team, ignoring the fact that he might not even be in Toronto? Are they really this unprofessional that they can imagine other people doing it? Do they not realize that Burke would get reamed by both the public and never get another GM job again? Do they not think the NHL would void a suspicious deal like that/come back with HUGE penalties on Toronto?

I think Bob McKenzie liked my proposals!

I'm bored so I'll throw you guys a couple trade proposals

To Anaheim: Tom Priessing, Det 2009 4th round pick, Future Considerations
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Francois Beachemin

the future considerations is a 2010 2nd round pick if Beachemin resigns with the Kings.

orrrr

To Anaheim: Derek Armstrong, Matt Moulson
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Samuel Pahlsson, 2009 3rd round pick

last one ... Burke loves moller .. he's a great prospect but I'm sure Lombardi would be tempted by this deal.

To Los Angeles: Matheiu Schneider, Bobby Ryan
To Anaheim: Oscar Moller

I think Bob McKenzie liked my proposals!

how exactly did any of your proposals fly, Malakian????

Anaheim and LA never traded before last season and that was for a player that just signed in Philadelphia in JS Aubin

Well I'm not saying I'm going to be spot on or anything but in recent days I have read reports which may or may not be credible involving Priessing possibly being sent to Anaheim in a deal for Schneider and Anaheim possibly including Bobby Ryan along with Schneider in a deal. I doubt Lombardi would even do the Moller for Schneider and Ryan deal after the way Oscar has played so far this preseason, with O'Sullivan still holding out he may be slotted into the first line left wing spot for at least the first 10 games . I got a new proposal for you guys ..

To Anaheim: Patrick O'Sullivan, Tom Priessing
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Francois Beachemin, Bobby Ryan

maybe kill two teams problems?

Ana top 6

O'Sullivan - Getzlaf - Perry (I hate the idea of playing against this line)
Kunitz - Morrison - Selanne

Kings D

Schneider - Harrold
Johnson - Greene
Beauchemin - Doughty

all those pairings would see similar ice time... maybe flop Doughty and Harrold.

But Ryan isn't a problem. Sending him to Iowa fixes it if we need a quick, emergency solution to his cap hit. I just don't think he's going anywhere.

I can see Frankie getting dealt maybe. He's prolly going to walk after this season when someone throws silly money at him based on his play with Scotty.

Well I'm not saying I'm going to be spot on or anything but in recent days I have read reports which may or may not be credible involving Priessing possibly being sent to Anaheim in a deal for Schneider and Anaheim possibly including Bobby Ryan along with Schneider in a deal. I doubt Lombardi would even do the Moller for Schneider and Ryan deal after the way Oscar has played so far this preseason, with O'Sullivan still holding out he may be slotted into the first line left wing spot for at least the first 10 games . I got a new proposal for you guys ..

To Anaheim: Patrick O'Sullivan, Tom Priessing
To Los Angeles: Mathieu Schneider, Francois Beachemin, Bobby Ryan

maybe kill two teams problems?

Ana top 6

O'Sullivan - Getzlaf - Perry (I hate the idea of playing against this line)
Kunitz - Morrison - Selanne

Kings D

Schneider - Harrold
Johnson - Greene
Beauchemin - Doughty

all those pairings would see similar ice time... maybe flop Doughty and Harrold.
Here's the thing. The Ducks like Ryan. Multiple team representatives (Burke, Carlyle, Selanne, Murray) have all talked about how he's going to be a good one.

Whether you agree or not, Ryan ~ O'Sullivan to them. O'Sullivan is more proven, but Ryan has just as high a ceiling if not higher, and is on a similar development track (just compare his 20 yo season with Sully's). Actually, Ryan's roughly a half year ahead of O'Sullivan compared to their ages. We might even expect a 53 point season like Sully had last season from Ryan (might).

So then the rest of the trade equates to Beauchemin + Schneider for Preissing. Which isn't very equal.

Also, it doesn't clear enough salary. O'Sullivan (~4 million) + Preissing (2.75) = 6.75. Ryan (1.9) + Beauchemin (1.6) + Schneider (5.65) = 9.1. Ducks need to clear 3 million just to get under cap, much less sign Selanne.

Take away Marchant and it might work.

Great googly moogly when is this gonna end?! All this speculation is making me anxious and nauseous... :scared: