Ducks well deserved the cup

I'm a sensfan and when I watched your team play us they were dominating in checking and goalteanding so your team deserved it but i'm still disapointed.

I'm a sensfan and when I watched your team play us they were dominating in checking and goalteanding so your team deserved it but i'm still disapointed.
And you couldn't bear to talk about it until now?

And you couldn't bear to talk about it until now?

No I talked about it a couple years back.

No I talked about it a couple years back.

Are you drinking? :D

Are you drinking? :D
No, but he/she did a couple years back. :sarcasm: (yes, even though it was only 1 year ago)

I'm a sensfan and when I watched your team play us they were dominating in checking and goalteanding so your team deserved it but i'm still disapointed.

Hi Wranglersfans,
Thanks for visiting our forum. :)

We knew we had a great team all season.
There was never a doubt we would beat an Eastern Team in the Final.
Congrats you made it that far. :handclap:

PS: Funny how the Canadien Press were exposed as frauds because they know little about the NHL.

And you couldn't bear to talk about it until now?

Time heals all wounds and hangovers....

I nominate this for the most awkward thread award...

Toronto well deserved the cup.


Oh snap, 41 years too late :/

This thread makes last season look not so bad after all.

IMO the Ducks have deserved the cup every season since 1993-94.

IMO the Ducks have deserved the cup every season since 1993-94.

ESPECIALLY 04-05.

ESPECIALLY 04-05.

I was so drunk that season it was scary-ish.

I was so drunk that season it was scary-ish.

I don't even remember who won that year.

...And the Wings deserved to beat the Ducks in the WCF's that year.

Damn i wish i could put the sarcasm emotion at the end of that but i really cant. Game 5, Ducks totally outplayed, 1:30 left, weakest horse **** call on Datsyuk i have ever seen. Neids scores, tie game. :help:

Sorry i don't mean to troll anything. The Ducks had a great team that just still pisses me off, not as much since we won the Cup this year tho.

I don't even remember who won that year.

My fiance.

...And the Wings deserved to beat the Ducks in the WCF's that year.

Damn i wish i could put the sarcasm emotion at the end of that but i really cant. Game 5, Ducks totally outplayed, 1:30 left, weakest horse **** call on Datsyuk i have ever seen. Neids scores, tie game. :help:

I didn't even bother watching Game 6 after that because I knew the writing was on the wall.

The Ducks deserved the cup because they made the finals and dismantled the Sens, but that WCF was a big pile of *********.

What has happened to your team in the last year is pretty crappy. Hopefully the Ducks make a comeback this year and make Dallas look like a bunch of little *****es to shut them up.

Hey guys, Moon Man here. I noticed this thread on the main header. I would also like to mention that the Ducks deserved the Stanley Cup.

Now onto the Colorado and Dallas sections to mention the same thing. I talked about it a couple of years back, but I think it merits another mention.

...And the Wings deserved to beat the Ducks in the WCF's that year.

Damn i wish i could put the sarcasm emotion at the end of that but i really cant. Game 5, Ducks totally outplayed, 1:30 left, weakest horse **** call on Datsyuk i have ever seen. Neids scores, tie game. :help:

No they didn't and like most of your fellow Red Wings fans you choose to totally forget the BS calls against Ducks late in game as well.

Ducks were clearly the better team.

I find it funny. The deadthings won the cup last year---but people always go back to the previous season to stroke a teams ego.

I am willing to make a wager that this time next year that someone will appear on the red wing board and post this same topic

Ducks/Sens game 2 was on the NHL Network this afternoon and I caught the latter half of it. It's nice to stroll down memory lane once in a while, provided they're good memories of course. ;)

Hey guys, Moon Man here.

Thanks for clearing that up...

IMO the Ducks have deserved the cup every season since 1993-94.
YEAH O.K

YEAH O.K

Comprehension fail.

...And the Wings deserved to beat the Ducks in the WCF's that year.

Damn i wish i could put the sarcasm emotion at the end of that but i really cant. Game 5, Ducks totally outplayed, 1:30 left, weakest horse **** call on Datsyuk i have ever seen. Neids scores, tie game. :help:

The officiating was bad that whole series, so in no way can someone blame the reffs for deciding the series. The Ducks were a better team that year, the Wings were a better team last year. Only time will tell who will be a better team this year.

Wow its amazing what happens to a thread when you leave it for a couple hours because everyone argued about detroit and anaheim which is funny.

PS: Funny how the Eastern Canadien Press were exposed as frauds because they know little about the Western Conference.
Fixed that for you. :nod:

Wow OP. ,made me laugh:laugh:

The officiating was bad that whole series, so in no way can someone blame the reffs for deciding the series. The Ducks were a better team that year, the Wings were a better team last year. Only time will tell who will be a better team this year.

If the Ducks ever beat Detroit in a seven game series, you know it is because of slanted officiating. :sarcasm:

The officiating was bad that whole series, so in no way can someone blame the reffs for deciding the series. The Ducks were a better team that year, the Wings were a better team last year. Only time will tell who will be a better team this year.

It was one of the worst officiated series I've ever seen and it was bad on both sides at times but most of that helped the Ducks because of their style. The Ducks could commit 20 infractions and get called for 5 while the Red Wings could commit 10 infractions and get called for 4 of them. It was a bad joke and many neutral observers made note of it.

As we saw last year the Ducks were really only the better team because the Red Wings had two of their top 3 defenseman out by the time they faced each other. Stuff happens though and it's history now.

And yet here you are.

...And the Wings deserved to beat the Ducks in the WCF's that year.

Damn i wish i could put the sarcasm emotion at the end of that but i really cant. Game 5, Ducks totally outplayed, 1:30 left, weakest horse **** call on Datsyuk i have ever seen. Neids scores, tie game. :help:

Uh no. The Ducks played better in games 1 and 2, but only came out with a split. The Wings played better than the Ducks in games 3-5, but lost 2 out of 3. The Ducks played better, except in the last 10-12 minutes of game 6. That's 3 to 3 where one team played better than the other. The difference is the Ducks managed to win when they needed and the Wings didn't.

It wasn't a BS call. If Datsyuk had been moving his feet, he wouldn't have been call for the penalty. Speaking of Datsyuk, he may be a great player, but he's more than a little chippy and far from squeaky clean. In game one game (2 or 5?), Scott Niedermayer is without a helmet and Datsyuk hits him high against the glass. It's one thing to not let up just because a player has lost his helmet, but it's another to hit him high.

It was one of the worst officiated series I've ever seen and it was bad on both sides at times but most of that helped the Ducks because of their style. The Ducks could commit 20 infractions and get called for 5 while the Red Wings could commit 10 infractions and get called for 4 of them. It was a bad joke and many neutral observers made note of it.

As we saw last year the Ducks were really only the better team because the Red Wings had two of their top 3 defenseman out by the time they faced each other. Stuff happens though and it's history now.

:nopity:

You guys are unbelievable. Please tell me, when you poo, is it made of gold as they say? You are a detroit fan after all, and from what I hear you guys are royalty.


...And the Wings deserved to beat the Ducks in the WCF's that year.

Damn i wish i could put the sarcasm emotion at the end of that but i really cant. Game 5, Ducks totally outplayed, 1:30 left, weakest horse **** call on Datsyuk i have ever seen. Neids scores, tie game.


Giguere did it to you four straight games before in 03, what's the big surprise? Wait, I forgot, he's not a good goalie. *searching for reasons*... oh yes! The pads! It's those pads! And the refs! We just can't lose a series to another team without some sort of excuse!!!! The Wings paid the price for playing a good game and ONLY getting up by 1. It happens to everyone, believe it or not. After all, there is an NHL with 30 teams. We all play games too. :D

You guys are so full of yourselves you come into a thread that has nothing to do with Detroit and hijack it, only to look like spoiled snobby kids that have no friends.


Also, I know no one said anything about Giguere's pads, but he was the reason the Ducks won game 5 in 07, and by pointing that out, I also went a step ahead in the argument... :)

:nopity:

You guys are unbelievable. Please tell me, when you poo, is it made of gold as they say? You are a detroit fan after all, and from what I hear you guys are royalty.

Nope, it's brown and smelly just like yours. :D

It's not only Red Wings fans who thought this ya know. Up here in Canada many were complaining about that series and all the garbage the Ducks got away with. I thought it was quite obvious but having Duck glasses on must have shaded that from your view.

... and about the "dirty" hit by Datsyuk on the helmetless Niedermayer...it was probably just payback for the big elbow Scott landed on Pavel's face in game one. I have no idea how the ref, who was looking right at both of them, missed that one. Still blows my mind.

It was one of the worst officiated series I've ever seen and it was bad on both sides at times but most of that helped the Ducks because of their style. The Ducks could commit 20 infractions and get called for 5 while the Red Wings could commit 10 infractions and get called for 4 of them. It was a bad joke and many neutral observers made note of it.

As we saw last year the Ducks were really only the better team because the Red Wings had two of their top 3 defenseman out by the time they faced each other. Stuff happens though and it's history now.

LoL that post is pathetic. The Ducks were a better team. The result would have been the same reguardless if the wings had all their players. We didn't have arguably our best player in a game in that series and we still won that game. Quit the excuses, Babcock didn't make any, but still babies like you try to find a reason to make excuses for their team losing. Like previously said, the Ducks were the better team that year, the Wings were a better team last year. Saying that last year proved anything that had to do with the year before is assinine.

This argument gets worse every time I hear it.

The result would have been the same reguardless if the wings had all their players. We didn't have arguably our best player in a game in that series and we still won that game.

...Saying that last year proved anything that had to do with the year before is assinine.

Okay, you're right, any team could withstand missing 2 of it's top 3 defenseman for a conference final so that wasn't a factor. :sarcasm: You can't compare the Pronger slap on the wrist to missing 2 top players for the whole series, come on.

Last year showed what they could do with a healthier lineup, no question, but obviously there were other factors too and a few changes.

The Ducks did play a great series in the finals though, full kodus to them and for the cup, I just thought the Red Wings deserved to win, but it wasn't in the cards that year and the officiating was brutal IMO.

... and about the "dirty" hit by Datsyuk on the helmetless Niedermayer...it was probably just payback for the big elbow Scott landed on Pavel's face in game one. I have no idea how the ref, who was looking right at both of them, missed that one. Still blows my mind.


Riiiigggght. :rolleyes:

I rewatched the series in the last week (yeah, I know), and it wasn't one-sided at all. Game 1 was even, game 2 easily belonged to Anaheim and vice versa Game 3 for detroit. Game 4 was the ducks game for the majority, game 5 belonged to detroit after the first, and game 6 again was mostly anaheim.

The Ducks deserved the series, detroit didn't dominate enough, and didn't capitalize enough when they did. That's hockey. Detroit fans, suck a dick.

Okay, you're right, any team could withstand missing 2 of it's top 3 defenseman for a conference final so that wasn't a factor. :sarcasm: You can't compare the Pronger slap on the wrist to missing 2 top players for the whole series, come on.

I love how, in any type of trade/trade value thread, Red Wings fans make it sound like Schneider is the most mediocre player in NHL history. Yet when discussing this series, he becomes a "top defenseman".

I rewatched the series in the last week (yeah, I know), and it wasn't one-sided at all. Game 1 was even, game 2 easily belonged to Anaheim and vice versa Game 3 for detroit. Game 4 was the ducks game for the majority, game 5 belonged to detroit after the first, and game 6 again was mostly anaheim.

The Ducks deserved the series, detroit didn't dominate enough, and didn't capitalize enough when they did. That's hockey. Detroit fans, suck a dick.

mwah hahahahahhahahahahaha

ha.

Okay, you're right, any team could withstand missing 2 of it's top 3 defenseman for a conference final so that wasn't a factor. :sarcasm: You can't compare the Pronger slap on the wrist to missing 2 top players for the whole series, come on.
Last year showed what they could do with a healthier lineup, no question, but obviously there were other factors too and a few changes.

The Ducks did play a great series in the finals though, full kodus to them and for the cup, I just thought the Red Wings deserved to win, but it wasn't in the cards that year and the officiating was brutal IMO.

Last year has nothing to do with the year before, get that through your head. They didn't prove anything. They weren't playing the same teams as they did the previous year. Their team played better last year, the Ducks played better the year before.

You're belief that the Wings deserved the cup that year is ludicrous. If you lose to a team 4 out 7 times, you can't say you're better then them. That's the beauty of a best of seven series. Anyone that complains and says that a team who lost 4 out 7 times deserves to win needs to shut up and go change their tampon.

As for the bolded part: There's no doubt that the Wings were affected by the injuries. However, as the Ducks showed, you can win with out your best players. If you want to say that the outcome might have been different if the teams had all of their players healthy every game that's fine. It may have, I doubt it, but there's always that possibility. Personally I think Detroit blew to many chances and it wouldn't have mattered if they had those two players. The Ducks wanted it more, and were clearly the better team that series, it wouldn't have mattered if the other two were playing. Anyway, saying that the Wings deserved it more is completely stupid. What made them deserve it more? The officiating was bad the whole series, and the Wings didn't lose because of it. Saying a team deserves to win when they lose a best of 7 series is lame and pathetic. I guarantee you every Redwing on that roster wouldn't say "Well we deserved to win." They would man up and say the Ducks deserved it and earned it. Unfortunately, some fans can't get that through their head.

I rewatched the series in the last week (yeah, I know), and it wasn't one-sided at all. Game 1 was even, game 2 easily belonged to Anaheim and vice versa Game 3 for detroit. Game 4 was the ducks game for the majority, game 5 belonged to detroit after the first, and game 6 again was mostly anaheim.

The Ducks deserved the series, detroit didn't dominate enough, and didn't capitalize enough when they did. That's hockey. Detroit fans, suck a dick.

LMAO!

Thanks man, after losing a really bad beat in the poker tournament I played tonight, I needed that laugh.

I love how, in any type of trade/trade value thread, Red Wings fans make it sound like Schneider is the most mediocre player in NHL history. Yet when discussing this series, he becomes a "top defenseman".

Good point, and completely true.

I rewatched the series in the last week (yeah, I know), and it wasn't one-sided at all. Game 1 was even, game 2 easily belonged to Anaheim and vice versa Game 3 for detroit. Game 4 was the ducks game for the majority, game 5 belonged to detroit after the first, and game 6 again was mostly anaheim.

The Ducks deserved the series, detroit didn't dominate enough, and didn't capitalize enough when they did. That's hockey. Detroit fans, suck a dick.

I rewatched the series last summer ('07) on NHL Network too. Was it game 2 that Rob Niedermayer was allowed to pitchfork Hasek into the net for a big goal? You know, the goal where they reviewed the replay to see if the puck crossed even though it should have been a bogus play to begin with, lol. Just checking. :)

You're right, the Red Wings didn't capitalize enough, especially on the powerplay and that was directly related to not having Schneider and Kronwall on the point. You can't ignore that Detroit had to insert a rookie (Quincey) and overplay Lilja because of those injuries. Then again you guys obviously have blinders on if you believe the terrible officiating didn't benefit the Ducks greatly in that series. Any educated hockey fan could see that.

I love how, in any type of trade/trade value thread, Red Wings fans make it sound like Schneider is the most mediocre player in NHL history. Yet when discussing this series, he becomes a "top defenseman".

Say what you want about Schneider but he was playing really well in the Sharks series and having to play Quincey, who didn't even make the roster in '08, was a huge downgrade. Don't play stupid.

I rewatched the series last summer ('07) on NHL Network too. Was it game 2 that Rob Niedermayer was allowed to pitchfork Hasek into the net for a big goal? You know, the goal where they reviewed the replay to see if the puck crossed even though it should have been a bogus play to begin with, lol. Just checking. :)

That actually never happened. And your voice is muffled. Don't talk with your mouth full.

That actually never happened. And your voice is muffled. Don't talk with your mouth full.

Yeah, I was trying to remember what he was talking about. I remember two disputed goals, were there others? One was in Hasek's pants and fell out after he was over the goal line. I don't remember Rob Niedermayer "pitchforking" Hasek into the goal. I remember Hasek flopping around and sliding into the goal with the puck in his pants. The other one was the McDonald goal that was partially obscured by Hasek's water bottle. Both goals were good.

I rewatched the series last summer ('07) on NHL Network too. Was it game 2 that Rob Niedermayer was allowed to pitchfork Hasek into the net for a big goal? You know, the goal where they reviewed the replay to see if the puck crossed even though it should have been a bogus play to begin with, lol. Just checking. :)

Fine, then you'll concede that the Ducks deserved to win the series, and lost because they were screwed by the refs in 97 or 99 (sorry but i can't remember which one), when they scored a goal but the white padding in the net prevented the puck from going all the way across the line. But i'm sure an unbiased fan like you would find a way to get around that.

Seriously, if you want to count injustices, we can go back a long way, and bring up everything. There is an option though. You can 'get over it' and realize that the Ducks did in fact beat your beloved Wings. And no, they weren't helped by anything. Not the refs. Not injuries. They got some breaks, but in the end the random breaks wash out, and the team that forces their luck to be good wins. (see the pitchfork goal, refs on ice didn't see that he pushed, but he was still trying to get the puck in the net AH HIS OWN LUCK)
The video replay could only tell them where the puck was... in the net. But if you really, really need to say that ONE goal changed everything.... There were 59 other minutes in that game and 5 other games that Detroit could've made it up and done something about it.

By the way, what's up with the "up in canada" and the "educated hockey fan" comments? Your poo seems to smell pretty good to you. I would think (if i were to throw around proud words) that an educated fan would understand that injuries are part of the game, and that teams don't use them an excuse. Just because you tack on some bs attempt at being condescending, doesn't make your point any more valid. I don't care where you're from, or who you are. You could be Samoan, but if you were stupid you'd still be stupid, if you were smart, you'd still be smart, and if you were lame, you'd be very ounce of lame you should be.

So if you're done making excuses, great. If you're done using the 'unbiased' card, great. If you're done being 'royalty', great. If not, I don't know where this could possibly go.

Yeah, I was trying to remember what he was talking about. I remember two disputed goals, were there others? One was in Hasek's pants and fell out after he was over the goal line. I don't remember Rob Niedermayer "pitchforking" Hasek into the goal. I remember Hasek flopping around and sliding into the goal with the puck in his pants. The other one was the McDonald goal that was partially obscured by Hasek's water bottle. Both goals were good.
That's the goal he's talking about. Rob's stick did sort of push Hasek. After Rob had already fallen to the ice. But it didn't push him into the goal. Hasek was on his ass and sliding in anyways, Rob just spun him. He did speed it up a little, but Hasek was going in. And Chelios added just as much momentum as Rob.

"Pitchfork" is actually the Moen-Vancouver goal. Not sure which game.

I wanted to relive the ridiculousness, but it looks like the MB GDT got deleted/locked.

I rewatched the series last summer ('07) on NHL Network too. Was it game 2 that Rob Niedermayer was allowed to pitchfork Hasek into the net for a big goal? You know, the goal where they reviewed the replay to see if the puck crossed even though it should have been a bogus play to begin with, lol. Just checking. :)

You're right, the Red Wings didn't capitalize enough, especially on the powerplay and that was directly related to not having Schneider and Kronwall on the point. You can't ignore that Detroit had to insert a rookie (Quincey) and overplay Lilja because of those injuries. Then again you guys obviously have blinders on if you believe the terrible officiating didn't benefit the Ducks greatly in that series. Any educated hockey fan could see that.


Say what you want about Schneider but he was playing really well in the Sharks series and having to play Quincey, who didn't even make the roster in '08, was a huge downgrade. Don't play stupid.

Any educated fan wouldn't say that a team deserved to win when they lose a best of seven series. If you play same team in a row in a best of seven series and you lose, they deserved it more. Get that through your head.

That's the goal he's talking about. Rob's stick did sort of push Hasek. After Rob had already fallen to the ice. But it didn't push him into the goal. Hasek was on his ass and sliding in anyways, Rob just spun him. He did speed it up a little, but Hasek was going in. And Chelios added just as much momentum as Rob.

He didn't just sort of push Hasek, he intentionally slid into him with his stick like a pitchfork and pushed him 1 or 2 feet back, then they reviewed the play and it just crossed the line. Most of you don't remember that play? Maybe you were too busy celebrating at the time but it was certainly a bogus goal. Blinders I tell ya.

I'll ignore all the venom some of you are spewing cause this is already getting old. All I have left to say is that I have watched many series over the last 20 years and had many many disappointments and dealt with losing just fine, but that series last year was the most biased officiating in a series I have ever seen. The refs simply didn't know how to deal with the contrasting styles and it completely benefitted the Ducks. Either that or Burke talked to some of his buddies in the league before the series started, lol, I'm not sure which one and we'll never know.

...and the Red Wings still nearly won, even while missing 2 of their best 3 defenseman. Says a lot about how good that team is and they showed it this past spring. :)

but that series last year was the most biased officiating in a series I have ever seen. The refs simply didn't know how to deal with the contrasting styles and it completely benefitted the Ducks.

See, that's where you're wrong.

Different styles, yes. Biased officiating, BS. Ducks played short-handed over 30% more than Red Wings. That's a colossal difference.

The problem is that you can't handle a physical style the Ducks played in that series. I know, I know, you're going to whine next about clutching & grabbing and you don't even know what it means.

I guess it's another 20 years of watching hockey for you before you really understand the game.

He didn't just sort of push Hasek, he intentionally slid into him with his stick like a pitchfork and pushed him 1 or 2 feet back, then they reviewed the play and it just crossed the line. Most of you don't remember that play? Maybe you were too busy celebrating at the time but it was certainly a bogus goal. Blinders I tell ya.

I'll ignore all the venom some of you are spewing cause this is already getting old. All I have left to say is that I have watched many series over the last 20 years and had many many disappointments and dealt with losing just fine, but that series last year was the most biased officiating in a series I have ever seen. The refs simply didn't know how to deal with the contrasting styles and it completely benefitted the Ducks. Either that or Burke talked to some of his buddies in the league before the series started, lol, I'm not sure which one and we'll never know.

...and the Red Wings still nearly won, even while missing 2 of their best 3 defenseman. Says a lot about how good that team is and they showed it this past spring. :)
That's just the thing. The puck was well into the goal. It was a good 3-4 inches in, and then when it fell out of the pads (because Hasek pushed it out with his glove) it fell another 2-3 inches further in. It ends up in the crook of his elbow, while his entire arm (including the massive glove goalies use) is in the net, albeit at a 30% angle.

Rob also didn't intentionally push Hasek, he dove for the puck and missed. His momentum carried him into Hasek. Also, golden boy Lidstrom (not Chelios, my mistake), added just as much momentum to Hasek as Niedermayer did. (It was also infallible Lidstrom who deflected the puck so that Hasek had problems with the shot in the first place. Ha.)

That's a good goal. There have even been Detroit fans who have said so. On this site. Unless they also have blinders on.

And LOL at Detroit fans complaining of biased refereeing. I'm not sure I can think of any team in the entire league who's benefited more from officiating in the past 10 years. Yup, Holmstrom has never interfered with the goalie (although I do admit he is surprisingly good considering how often he's camped there). And complaining that the Ducks get away with defensive interference in the transition game when Detroit sets picks as well as the passive (and legal) "sit in the space and block the forechecker" that the Ducks do? Ha.

Same goes for the whiny Nucks fans. Seriously, complaining about Ducks interference? The Sedins set picks so often I think I'm watching basketball.

He didn't just sort of push Hasek, he intentionally slid into him with his stick like a pitchfork and pushed him 1 or 2 feet back, then they reviewed the play and it just crossed the line. Most of you don't remember that play? Maybe you were too busy celebrating at the time but it was certainly a bogus goal. Blinders I tell ya.

I'll ignore all the venom some of you are spewing cause this is already getting old. All I have left to say is that I have watched many series over the last 20 years and had many many disappointments and dealt with losing just fine, but that series last year was the most biased officiating in a series I have ever seen. The refs simply didn't know how to deal with the contrasting styles and it completely benefitted the Ducks. Either that or Burke talked to some of his buddies in the league before the series started, lol, I'm not sure which one and we'll never know.

...and the Red Wings still nearly won, even while missing 2 of their best 3 defenseman. Says a lot about how good that team is and they showed it this past spring. :)

I like how you think your own jokes are funny when no one else does...

No one said the Wings weren't a good team. I think all of us on this board agree that the Wings were definitely the toughest challenge to the Ducks. However you are just making a fool out of yourself when you're saying they proved something last year that had to do with the year before. You lose all respect here with that comment. THE TWO YEARS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. The Wings and every other team last year was different the year before. The Redwings almost got eliminated against the 8th seed Predators, and you don't hear any of us saying that that takes anything away from them. The Wings struggled against the weak Predators, but they still did what had to be done to win and they deserved the cup last year; just like the Ducks deserved the cup the year before. The Ducks would have won the cup reguardless if the Wings had their other defensmen.

Thread closed.

The Redwings almost got eliminated against the 8th seed Predators, and you don't hear any of us saying that that takes anything away from them. The Wings struggled against the weak Predators,

So obviously you didn't watch any of that series.

It's amazing to me that the Wing fans are still bitter about '07 after winning in '08.

Just another reason why I hate that city, the team and especially the fans... biggest bunch of crybabies in the league.

Ducks played short-handed over 30% more than Red Wings. That's a colossal difference.

The problem is that you can't handle a physical style the Ducks played in that series. I know, I know, you're going to whine next about clutching & grabbing and you don't even know what it means.

I guess it's another 20 years of watching hockey for you before you really understand the game.

The Ducks deserved to be shorthanded even more than they were, that's what happens when you're a dirty cheapshot team. The officials let the Ducks push the boundries and I think the league dropped the ball in this series but you can carry on with the blinders, I know you will.

Physical play was 4th or 5th on my list for reasons why the Ducks won against Detroit, but I'm sure it makes you feel better to believe it was bigger. Missing Schneider and Kronwall, the great play of Giguere and the dreadful officiating were all bigger factors IMO.

Nice attitude, pffft. Let me know when you watch your first 20.

Rob also didn't intentionally push Hasek, he dove for the puck and missed. His momentum carried him into Hasek. Also, golden boy Lidstrom (not Chelios, my mistake), added just as much momentum to Hasek as Niedermayer did. (It was also infallible Lidstrom who deflected the puck so that Hasek had problems with the shot in the first place. Ha.)

You don't remember the play well enough. There was a faceoff and Rob Niedermayer was battling with MALTBY (not Lidstrom but nice attempt to take a shot at him) in the slot. Niedermayer did get tangled up with Maltby but then he proceeded to dive towards the net sliding into Hasek. He was not forced to dive and push Hasek into the net and the momentum of this very intentional play is what caused the puck to be over the line. That goal tied up the game in the 3rd period of game 2 for the Ducks and then they won it in OT. It was an awful call and should have been disallowed.

The Ducks would have won the cup reguardless if the Wings had their other defensmen.

I know, it doesn't matter what players a team has available, injuries never weaken teams. Errr, I think you have a flaw in this argument, just a tiny one. Who knows, anything could have happened but you obviously can't deal with the thought that maybe the Red Wings would have been just a tad better if they had 2 of their top defenseman playing instead of a rookie and Lilja.

It's amazing to me that the Wing fans are still bitter about '07 after winning in '08.

Ever think maybe there's a good reason for the bitterness? Red Wings fans have lost many heartbreaking series both early in the playoffs and late. Even with a more bitter rival like the Avs I never felt like this cause there was never reason too. Personally I've never seen the league drop the ball like they did in that series, it was farcical IMO and I still don't understand how or why it happened.

I know, it doesn't matter what players a team has available, injuries never weaken teams. Errr, I think you have a flaw in this argument, just a tiny one. Who knows, anything could have happened but you obviously can't deal with the thought that maybe the Red Wings would have been just a tad better if they had 2 of their top defenseman playing instead of a rookie and Lilja.

There is no "argument". It doesn't matter what the Wings "would have been". Ducks fans don't "have to deal" with anything. Its Wings fans who have difficulty letting go.

Bottom line, if you didn't win, you didn't do enough, regardless of what happened. No game is played in a vacuum, both teams have to deal with negative circumstances. I know it helps Wings fans feel just fantastic about themselves to think that they "should be" back to back champs. Sadly, it just isn't so. Delusions...

I know, it doesn't matter what players a team has available, injuries never weaken teams.

Totally. I mean the if the (Mighty) Ducks had Drury and Karpa going into that 1999 series, we would have crushed those pesky Red Wings.

I mean C'MON!!! The MD were completely hosed by the refs in that series. The league really dropped the ball. I'm heartbroken.

Two years, one cup and the Red Wings fan still complain.

Sad. :help:

You don't remember the play well enough. There was a faceoff and Rob Niedermayer was battling with MALTBY (not Lidstrom but nice attempt to take a shot at him) in the slot. Niedermayer did get tangled up with Maltby but then he proceeded to dive towards the net sliding into Hasek. He was not forced to dive and push Hasek into the net and the momentum of this very intentional play is what caused the puck to be over the line. That goal tied up the game in the 3rd period of game 2 for the Ducks and then they won it in OT. It was an awful call and should have been disallowed.
Rob wasn't forced to dive. He dove for the puck. Yes it was intentional, not that that actually matters for goaltender interference. He didn't dive with the intention of pitchforking Hasek, you can see him aim for (and miss, as it's Rob) the puck.

You really shouldn't argue with Ducks fans on any specific plays. Lots of us have it all on DVD. Unless you're saying Maltby wore 5 back in 06-07. Between claiming it was Maltby (when it was Lidstrom), claiming that the puck just went over the line (when it was a good 7-9 inches past, missing that Lidstrom also pushed Hasek's pad with his stick, and implying that Hasek didn't have any backward momentum at all before Niedermayer's push, you've made so many incorrect claims I think it's probably not even worth trying to discuss this play with you any more.

Ever think maybe there's a good reason for the bitterness? Red Wings fans have lost many heartbreaking series both early in the playoffs and late. Even with a more bitter rival like the Avs I never felt like this cause there was never reason too. Personally I've never seen the league drop the ball like they did in that series, it was farcical IMO and I still don't understand how or why it happened.

Seriously do you ever re-read your posts and just go "Wow I am really acting like a whiny ***** right now."

Two years, one cup and the Red Wings fan still complain.

Sad. :help:

You have to admit, it's pretty entertaining to read the whining.

Rob wasn't forced to dive. He dove for the puck. Yes it was intentional, not that that actually matters for goaltender interference. He didn't dive with the intention of pitchforking Hasek, you can see him aim for (and miss, as it's Rob) the puck.

You really shouldn't argue with Ducks fans on any specific plays. Lots of us have it all on DVD. Unless you're saying Maltby wore 5 back in 06-07. Between claiming it was Maltby (when it was Lidstrom), claiming that the puck just went over the line (when it was a good 7-9 inches past, missing that Lidstrom also pushed Hasek's pad with his stick, and implying that Hasek didn't have any backward momentum at all before Niedermayer's push, you've made so many incorrect claims I think it's probably not even worth trying to discuss this play with you any more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9nIFruW0E

Watch at 3:19. It was Maltby who was originally engaged with Niedermayer off the faceoff and Lidstrom didn't get invovled in the play until Niedermayer was already sliding. Niedermayer didn't touch the puck and what he did resulted in a pitchforking like action, therefore it was a bogus play.

LOL, and just look at the replay afterwards from the netcam, Niedermayer ends up with his stick between Hasek's leg and Dom's body moves considerably as he's jolted by the sliding cheapshot artist. Maybe you shouldn't try to argue plays you don't have a good grasp of.

I'm not the one who is delusional guys. Honestly, your cup win was very much tainted. Obviously that doesn't matter to you though since the blinders were on the whole time.

Nope, it's brown and smelly just like yours. :D

It's not only Red Wings fans who thought this ya know. Up here in Canada many were complaining about that series and all the garbage the Ducks got away with. I thought it was quite obvious but having Duck glasses on must have shaded that from your view.

... and about the "dirty" hit by Datsyuk on the helmetless Niedermayer...it was probably just payback for the big elbow Scott landed on Pavel's face in game one. I have no idea how the ref, who was looking right at both of them, missed that one. Still blows my mind.
the ducks are one of the most scrutinized teams in the league, they get away with little and that series was decided when the wings failed to deliver with Pronger out. And in game 6 of that series who were the best two players on the ice? Niedermayer and Pronger.

I know, it doesn't matter what players a team has available, injuries never weaken teams. Errr, I think you have a flaw in this argument, just a tiny one. Who knows, anything could have happened but you obviously can't deal with the thought that maybe the Red Wings would have been just a tad better if they had 2 of their top defenseman playing instead of a rookie and Lilja.

I've already said that missing those two players probably hurt the Wings. However, the Ducks were the better team that series, they just matched up better. The Wings lost that series because they couldn't capitalize on enough of their chances, the Ducks did. Cry all you want about the officiating if that makes it easier for you to sleep at night, but the fact is the Ducks outplayed the Wings and deserved the cup. Now the funny thing is that all the players on the Wings roster would admit that the Ducks deserved it more, but whiny fans like you can't. Face it dude, the Ducks were the better team that year, but don't feel bad, the Wings were the better team last year.

... Honestly, your cup win was very much tainted.

I don't remember anyone (save for you, who are making an amazingly retarded attempt at trying to change the past) saying that. I distinctly remember the panelists on TSN saying that the best team won that year. I don't remember any of them saying anything about the Ducks not deserving it. I don't remember any professionals, journalists or coaches, who have said that or agree with you. Like to let me know who all these people are that agree with you? Like, you said everyone in Canada agrees with you. Show me.


Obviously that doesn't matter to you though since the blinders were on the whole time.


How many times will you keep using the words 'blinders' and 'delusional'? Seriously, get a new gig. They are increasingly meaningless.

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Now to address the rest of your reasons for the Ducks cup win being tainted...

Injuries: They are a part of hockey, and happen. Many times ,the healthiest team wins. That taints nothing. Even then, good teams get around it. Last year the Stars lost Zubov, who's their best player, and still beat the Ducks easily. I don't remember which year it was, but one of the times Colorado won the cup, they didn't have Forsberg for the final and still won.

"The Goal": Now, this would probably be every ducks goal in the series for you, but I'll focus on the one you want us all to youtube. He pushes Hasek in. Big deal. Once again, it's one goal in one game. That hardly makes Rob Niedermayer a cheap shot artist as you call him. That line is probably the craziest thing anyone has said in this whole thread. I 'lol'd at it. Really, it was funny. I'm amazed you're not noticing his fight, or will, or drive to score. You can't fault Niedermayer for trying. But even then, it was one goal. You got many other chances to win the game.

I don't remember any Calgary fans saying the Lightning cup is tainted, when they should've counted that ONE goal where the puck was very very presumably under Khabibulin's leg, but the replay couldn't show the actual puck. I don't remember Edmonton fans saying the Canes cup is tainted because their goalie went down.

Goon Team: Goon teams don't win. The team that scores the most wins. The outlandish notion that the Ducks 'just got away with sooo much' is ridiculous. Were they physical? Yes. Were they bullies? Yes. But you could see come game 6 in the WCF how tired Datsyuk was. You could see it. It works if you have the guys to employ the strategy. Now, before you start calling the team dirty, I'll agree. Pronger and May have both been suspended before and even were during the playoffs. But that alone isn't enough to 'taint' the cup. Sorry.

The truth is, the Ducks had the best defensive forward in the game, playing some of his best hockey. They had arguably the best active playoff goalie playing his best hockey. They had two of the top dmen in the league playing their best hockey. They had a bunch of guys willing to do what it took, outwork the other team, and will the puck into the goal if they had to. Yet, they somehow fluked their way to the playoffs, and won the cup through a conspiracy involving the refs...

And Hasek was a member of that Red Wings TEAM just like Ellis was a member of that Predators TEAM.

Well, I mean... Hasek was letting in softies from the blue line unscreened. He really (IMO) did lose them 2 games all on his own.

That YouTube doesn't show the whole play. I rewatched this play in slow motion on the DVD. Maltby and Niedermayer were in the faceoff circle and Maltby fell into Niedermayer from behind and Niedermayer fell face first into the ice with his hands and stick out in front of him and he slid towards the goal mouth. Hasek was already on falling onto his back and reaching back with his glove hand almost as if he thought the puck was behind him and Hasek's momentum was carrying him into the net; yes, both Niedermayer and Lidstrom's sticks were in Hasek's legs, but Hasek was already sliding into the net. It wasn't dirty play by Niedermayer, nor was it a pitchfork. Maybe you should look at the whole play instead of the YouTube video that only shows part of the play. Moreover, as the play was being reviewed, neither Doc Emerik, nor Eddie Oclzyk said anything about it being a dirty play and they were looking at the play from multiple angles several times.

And interesting, but you fail to say anything about the first clip included in the YouTub video you linked. Hasek clearly threw his stick at the puck shot by Getzlaf. That should have been a penalty shot. And you say the Ducks got all of the benefit. In this particular game, the Ducks did carry the play for most of the game. Yes, it did go into overtime, and there were stretches when the Red Wings were stronger, but overall the Ducks outplayed the Wings in this game.

What a sore loser. You're still stewing and whining about this two seasons later. The Ducks win wasn't tainted; it is only tainted through your Red Wings colored glasses.

That series against the Preds only went 6 games, look it up.

my bad it was 6 games, the same amount it took us to beat you the year that you're griping about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9nIFruW0E

Watch at 3:19. It was Maltby who was originally engaged with Niedermayer off the faceoff and Lidstrom didn't get invovled in the play until Niedermayer was already sliding. Niedermayer didn't touch the puck and what he did resulted in a pitchforking like action, therefore it was a bogus play.

LOL, and just look at the replay afterwards from the netcam, Niedermayer ends up with his stick between Hasek's leg and Dom's body moves considerably as he's jolted by the sliding cheapshot artist. Maybe you shouldn't try to argue plays you don't have a good grasp of.

I'm not the one who is delusional guys. Honestly, your cup win was very much tainted. Obviously that doesn't matter to you though since the blinders were on the whole time.
If all you're going by is that little tiny youtube, you're not going to see everything. Because of this thread, I actually went back to the DVD and even tried some slow motion. Before and after my first post here about the goal, I might add.

Maltby/Lidstrom is a little misunderstanding. Lidstrom is who is relevant, he pushed Hasek (not Rob) with his stick, after the initial save. Maltby is who Rob got tangled up with after the faceoff, but that's not really a big deal. Although it could be argued (it's hard to tell) that Maltby kind of tripped up Rob leading him to crash into Hasek. But I don't believe so, I think Rob dove for the puck.

Now Niedermayer did push Hasek. That's pretty much indisputable. He did miss the puck. That's also solid. Lidstrom pushed Hasek as well. Anyone can watch the video and see all of this clearly.

The question is how much of Hasek's movement is a result of Niedermayer, and how much is a result of Lidstrom, and how much is a result of the sliding back he did on his own. I believe that Hasek was already sliding back, and the puck would have went in anyways. Furthermore, I believe that Niedermayer (and Lidstrom) pushed Hasek, but did not add much backwards momentum. Look at where they push him, and how his movement changed. They twirled Hasek around on his ass. That's why I think it's a good goal.



As to a tainted Cup. There's the delusions. Just pretend it was a bogus goal if it makes you feel better. Fine. Well then the officials screwed up, but it still counted. All it did was tie the game, it wasn't the game winner. If Detroit really was the superior team, they should have won it anyways in overtime. Same goes for game 5. The "better" team had a chance to win, and they choked.

The end.