Pronger not necessarily getting the "C"

Carlyle won't spill the beans yet, but it's not a guarantee that it is Pronger...Interesting. I think a few people (including myself) thought it'd probably just be him again.


http://ducks.freedomblogging.com/2008/09/13/carlyle-noncommittal-on-captain/

Not a huge surprise with Scott's return and Getzlaf's future.
RC will figure it out.

RC knows what he's doing, i'm confident the C will go to pronger :nod:

RC knows what he's doing, i'm confident the C will go to pronger :nod:

Id rather it went to Nieds....he is the better captain and maybe pissing Pronger off a little bit isnt such a bad thing. Politics will probably prevail however.

If Pronger commits to five year extension beyond next season, he can have the "C". :)

I'm not sure I'd want a 39 year old Pronger.

Does it really matter? Not really, Pronger won't be insulted if he's not captain either.

I'm not sure I'd want a 39 year old Pronger.
Given the cba I would agree 5 is long...a 3 year extension is what i'd like for.

If RC is thinking about the future, they should give the captaincy to Getzlaf. But Scotty Nieds is the heart and beat of this team right now.

I'd rather Nieds have it. He seems to be a better captain. I think Pronger was part of the problem with the penalties last season, he's not a calming influence like Niedermayer was.

To me the C and As have also been structured to limit turnover. The Nieds brothers had the C and A from 05-08 (minus Scotty) because they were signed to 4 year contracts. Teemu never got a letter in part because he only signed 1 year contracts. Last season, Pronger got the C because he was the only eligible high level player (no goalies) signed past this season. Kunitz also got an A because he had a 4 year extension signed a month or two prior. This might be why Carlyle mentions talking to Burke before deciding, so he knows who is in the future plans. [crazy rumormonger] Maybe Burke is even considering trading one of Pronger or Niedermayer instead of Schneider[/crazed rumormonger]

If the "contract hypothesis" is correct, that means Pronger is more likely than Niedermayer to get the C. Even if I'd prefer Niedermayer. It just means that we don't switch the C last year only to switch it again this year and the following year. Unless it goes to Kunitz, Getzlaf, or Perry. I'd look for at least 1 if not 2 of them to get As also.

We led the league in penalties the year before with Niedermayer as captain, the difference was our special teams were garbage for most of the year.

We were actually the best defensive team in the league at even strength last year, not having a healthy Pahlsson+missing Niedermayer+down year from Pronger and Beauchemin contributed big time the poor PK

I think Nieds gets a bit more respect from the idiots in stripes than Pronger does, too.

I think Nieds gets a bit more respect from the idiots in stripes than Pronger does, too.

Your argument isn't supported through the numbers though...

Your argument isn't supported through the numbers though...
Whatever. I saw an appreciable difference in the attitude and behavior of the refs, and the leeway they were willing to grant one year to the next.

Two years ago it didn't seem like there was a vendetta like there did last year. Partially because of Prong/Nieds being the captain maybe, partially because of the cup maybe.

I did noticeably see pronger take many lazy penalties last season opposed to the year before though...

All I can add is that we were on pace to obliterate our TSH this season, until roughly around when Scotty came back. If anyone really wants anecdotal proof, dig through some archives. I remember mentioning it somewhere. Maybe ~2 months into the season or so?

It is amazing that we actually ended up getting shorthanded 3 fewer times by season's end.

If someone's really bored, they could try calculating the average # of times SH per game before and after Scotty returned.

Can't say I would cry if Prongs lost the C. It just seems he didn't quite have the leadership qualities others do.

I'd like to see Getzlaf at least get an A. The C will probably stay with Pronger and then Scotty will likely pick up an A. But it would be cool to see our franchise's future get appropriately Captained.

I'd like to see Getzlaf at least get an A. The C will probably stay with Pronger and then Scotty will likely pick up an A. But it would be cool to see our franchise's future get appropriately Captained.

why should Kunitz lose it? He is part of the future also

I'd like to see Getzlaf at least get an A.
I wouldn't. He whines too much to the ref's already when they call him for things. I don't think the ref's will take anything he says seriously at this point and you need your C & As to be able to negotiate well with the refs.

I wouldn't. He whines too much to the ref's already when they call him for things. I don't think the ref's will take anything he says seriously at this point and you need your C & As to be able to negotiate well with the refs.

Thats hardly what they need to do at all.... refs NEVER change they're calls because a captain can negotiate

why should Kunitz lose it? He is part of the future also

I'm not saying he's not part of the future. I never said Kunitz had to lose it either. I just said I wanted Getzlaf to get a Captain spot. You ASSUMED I said that he should get Kunitz's spot. All I said was that Pronger will likely remain Captain, and Scotty will take an A. That doesn't mean that's what I want. And furthermore, although Kunitz is a part of the Ducks' future, not moreso than Getzlaf. Getzlaf is the face of the new Ducks franchise. I just read an article on this (from NHL.com) earlier, and I have to agree. As much as I love Kunitz, Getzlaf is more valuable to this team than Kunitz is.

I wouldn't. He whines too much to the ref's already when they call him for things. I don't think the ref's will take anything he says seriously at this point and you need your C & As to be able to negotiate well with the refs.

That is not what the Captains and Alternates need to be able to do. They need to keep the team composed, offer insight, set an example through action, and yes speak with the refs but certainly not to lobby. As LooGDuck pointed out, the refs hardly ever change their calls, and when they do it's due to another ref's input, not a captiain's. The only contact with a ref that a captain should have is get the facts from a ref so he can relay them to the coach. Getzlaf can handle that without a doubt.

Personally I believe that captains do lobby the refs. Not to change a current call, but to maybe get a more favorable call later (or to get them to look the other way for future minor transgressions). I could just be pulling stuff out of my ass though.

I think Scott is the best captain, however, this is likely his last year, where Pronger has at least two more and I'm guessing he'll be around for much longer after that. Now, there are the future options, of course, but I don't see Getzlaf as a captain, especially for next season. In fact I don't think anyone can deny Pronger is probably the best option for captain in 09-10, so having them flip-flop wouldn't be right. Scotty also doesn't need a letter to lead, just like Teemu.

I also wouldn't mind Teemu getting the C in what is most likely his final season. But that's neither here nor there.

I also wouldn't mind Teemu getting the C in what is most likely his final season. But that's neither here nor there.

Teemu with a C would be pretty cool, I have to agree.

And Obobo, I don't think you're pulling stuff out of your ass because I agree that Captains do lobby with the refs. However, I disagree that it has much of an impact (or at the very least it SHOULDN'T). If a ref looks the other way for a minor transgression later in the game, or if a ref makes a favorable call later, I don't think it's because the Captain had some words with him. I think Captains can point out things to the ref, things like "Watch Morrow. Everytime he comes near the crease he's giving Giggy jab with his stick." And I do think refs take those comments into consideration. But to suggest that a ref makes a call specifically because a captain complained is hard to believe. They make a call if they see it, and they don't if they don't. They're not perfect, they're human. But any ref that would make a call just to favor a team whose captain complained is asking to be sacked.

Personally I believe that captains do lobby the refs. Not to change a current call, but to maybe get a more favorable call later (or to get them to look the other way for future minor transgressions). I could just be pulling stuff out of my ass though.

You arent, which is why I loved Niedermayer. He has a way of being completely calm at almost all times which helps greatly in speaking with the refs, while Pronger seems to whine more than try and show the other side of the coin.

Thats hardly what they need to do at all.... refs NEVER change they're calls because a captain can negotiate

Thats actually not true.

Ottawa had a delay of game call reversed after Alfie and Murray talked with the Refs.

It was about where the puck went over.

Thats actually not true.

Ottawa had a delay of game call reversed after Alfie and Murray talked with the Refs.

It was about where the puck went over.

That really isnt the same since it isnt a subjective penalty.

Thats hardly what they need to do at all.... refs NEVER change they're calls because a captain can negotiate
I agree that refs never change their calls, but captain's and assistants may influence the refs on future calls or after scrums where multiple penalties get called to both teams. Being able to negotiate with the ref is an important part of the C & As jobs and will influence games.

If a ref looks the other way for a minor transgression later in the game, or if a ref makes a favorable call later, I don't think it's because the Captain had some words with him. I think Captains can point out things to the ref, things like "Watch Morrow. Everytime he comes near the crease he's giving Giggy jab with his stick." And I do think refs take those comments into consideration. But to suggest that a ref makes a call specifically because a captain complained is hard to believe. They make a call if they see it, and they don't if they don't. They're not perfect, they're human. But any ref that would make a call just to favor a team whose captain complained is asking to be sacked.
This is exactly what I was talking about.

This is exactly what I was talking about.

Even in Midget this works. I remember in a game, the other team's defensmen would always come down to join the shoving match my team would start when our goalie covered the puck. I mentioned it to the ref that they kept coming down, which causes the faceoff to go outside the zone. Next time they did it, he noticed.

Although I felt like a tattle, haha.

Getzlaf probably deserves it most even if he's only 23 or whatever. It's sometimes too political though so he probably won't get it yet. But I'm not in the locker room, he just seems like a great leader from where I'm standing, and I actually think he's a lot closer in value to Pronger on the ice than it would seem.

I think the only reason Kunitz got an A over Getzlaf last year was that he signed an extension.

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are the captains still the same or do we not know yet?

Supposedly one will be named today.

its scott

its scott

I was never comfortable with Pronger as captain. I like giving an A to Getzlaf. He is the future of this team.

I was never comfortable with Pronger as captain. I like giving an A to Getzlaf. He is the future of this team.

You guys have a link?

Is it

C- S.Niedermayer
A- Getzlaf
A- Pronger?

That'd be best case scenario IMO.

You guys have a link?

Is it

C- S.Niedermayer
A- Getzlaf
A- Pronger?

That'd be best case scenario IMO.

http://ducks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=12887

You guys have a link?

Is it

C- S.Niedermayer
A- Getzlaf
A- Pronger?

That'd be best case scenario IMO.

you should start a psychic hotline, maybe you can hook up with miss cleo!

Yeah, Pronger wasn't the best captain for the Ducks. Sure, he was a leader in Edmonton (oh noes, I mentioned the place), but not so much here.

Niedermayer seems like the guy in the locker room that has the necessary charisma for the job, while Pronger didn't. But I don't know for sure since I have never been there. Just my speculation.

It's amazing when you think about our team and see how many captains we could have. Not that it matters but does anyone think Scott is less looked as a captain because of the fact he didn't play the whole season.

the letters only mean something to refs... Anyone can lead bit only three designated players can really talk to the refs.

the letters only mean something to refs... Anyone can lead bit only three designated players can really talk to the refs.
I think that is the exact reason Teemu is not an A. He can be a leader on the team without the responsibility of talking to the refs.

The right guy got the "C".

I'm really glad Getzlaf got an A. It's kind of a shame to see Kunitz lose his, but Getzlaf will be with this team for a long time and he has the skills (and appears to have the qualities) that you would expect of a leader. Everyone knows Neidermeyer makes a great captain and Pronger still makes a good A in my opinion also, so this is exactly how it should be.

I think that is the exact reason Teemu is not an A. He can be a leader on the team without the responsibility of talking to the refs.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the refs allow Teemu to talk to them regardless. He's always putting in his two cents when there is a questionable call.

im sorry but really?? lets make a guy who almost retired once, probly will this year or next, the captain. Easily should have gone to getzlaf or even perry. $.02

im sorry but really?? lets make a guy who almost retired once, probly will this year or next, the captain. Easily should have gone to getzlaf or even perry. $.02

Yes, let's give it to the guy who lead this team to its first Stanley Cup and a four-time Stanley Cup Champion. God forbid.

As for Getz, he needs to mature before he can be given the C. He hasn't even worn the A yet. This was always going to be Pronger or Niedermayer, and you're deluding yourself if you ever thought it was otherwise.

$.02

Thats about what its worth. Those closest to the team, and those who follow the team closest, have zero problem with the selection. Yet you do. And, Perry...really...seriously...I know the boards have a youth fetish, but ****.

Thank god!

If he does become a captain I'll RIOT!!! :biglaugh:

I'm really glad Getzlaf got an A. It's kind of a shame to see Kunitz lose his, but Getzlaf will be with this team for a long time and he has the skills (and appears to have the qualities) that you would expect of a leader. Everyone knows Neidermeyer makes a great captain and Pronger still makes a good A in my opinion also, so this is exactly how it should be.
to me kunitz or rob never really seemed like they completely deserved a letter. i just wasn't 100%/completely convinced. i guess you still gotta feel bad they got them taken away, but i think its very understandable here. getzlaf, pronger, and niedermayer are different stories.

i would say getzlaf is an emotional leader. i've heard people say that he's not that impactful of a leader, but i'd disagree wholeheartedly. it seems as if he's become the heart and soul of the team. he's became a franchise center with great defensive and offensive instincts and he's established himself as a point per game player last year. he is the hardest working and most intense player on the ice imo and still possesses great decision making, of course besides when he randomly starts cross checking people repeatedly into the boards and draws a penalty, but he knows how to fire up the team with his skill as well as his hard work. i don't think anything needs to be said for pronger or niedermayer.

Good decision - Pronger is fine with it.
Maybe because Scott might remain in Anaheim a bit longer ... :crossfing

to me kunitz or rob never really seemed like they completely deserved a letter. i just wasn't 100%/completely convinced. i guess you still gotta feel bad they got them taken away, but i think its very understandable here. getzlaf, pronger, and niedermayer are different stories.

i would say getzlaf is an emotional leader. i've heard people say that he's not that impactful of a leader, but i'd disagree wholeheartedly. it seems as if he's become the heart and soul of the team. he's became a franchise center with great defensive and offensive instincts and he's established himself as a point per game player last year. he is the hardest working and most intense player on the ice imo and still possesses great decision making, of course besides when he randomly starts cross checking people repeatedly into the boards and draws a penalty, but he knows how to fire up the team with his skill as well as his hard work. i don't think anything needs to be said for pronger or niedermayer.

If you read the articles about player quotes, two big names that came up were Marchant and Rob Niedermayer. Rob is clearly seen as a presence in the locker room. Far more so, according to the players, than Getzlaf is. The purpose of giving Getzlaf the A is to groom him for a leadership role and see how he reacts when thrust into that role. When the players talk about leaders on the team the past few seasons Getzlaf was almost never mentioned. Rob was.

i would say getzlaf is an emotional leader. i've heard people say that he's not that impactful of a leader, but i'd disagree wholeheartedly. it seems as if he's become the heart and soul of the team.
We are in sad shape if our "heart and soul" is always too lazy to skate to the bench and just coasts there instead. I so wish Carlyle would bench him for that.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Getzlaf and am glad he is on our team, but he is not a leader now...maybe in the future...but not now.

If he does become a captain I'll RIOT!!! :biglaugh:

So I assume you were rioting this time last year?

I'm not sure I'd want a 39 year old Pronger.


i'm not sure that i would even want a 35 y.o. pronger

i'm not sure that i would even want a 35 y.o. pronger

I'm not sure you're completely sane.