Rank the Atlantic Division Final Standings

I saw this on the Rangers forum...and I just wanted to see what people would say...

Last Years Standings...

y - Pittsburgh Penguins 47-27-8 102
x - New Jersey Devils 82 46-29-7 99
x - New York Rangers 82 42-27-13 97
x - Philadelphia Flyers 82 42-29-11 95
New York Islanders 82 35-38-9 79

What do you think this years standings will be? Just point down points...and we'll go from there!

Don't go trolling...but here's the link for the one on the Rangers forum (in case you wanna laugh).. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=543627

I don't see why we wouldn't get at least 102-103.

It won't be hard to top the discussion on here compared to the 4th grade level of posting over there by some of their members.

1. Penguins 103
2. Devils 101
3. Flyers 95
4. Rangers 90
5. Islanders 82

I've been wavering on the Pens and Devs for first place and I'll probably flop them again before the year starts. I'm high on Philly, but not high enough yet. They still have issues on the back end and in the nets. And I think the Rangers made themselves somewhat better in the long run, but sacrificed alittle too much chemistry for this season. I also see the Isles being a bit better than they were last year. The key for them is if DP can stay healthy.

1. Penguins 105
2. Devils 103
3. Flyers 98
4. Rangers 93
5. Islanders 84

I'm a bit defensive but I really think we will battle the Penguins for the division title this season, we're definitely a better team than last year.

:laugh: They think they are soooo good.
Pens 104
Devs 103
Flyers 99
Rags 95
Isles 73

1. Penguins 105
2. Devils 103
3. Flyers 98
4. Rangers 93
5. Islanders 84

I'm a bit defensive but I really think we will battle the Penguins for the division title this season, we're definitely a better team.

Let the countdown begin before "we have sid the kid, we have malkin...whaaaa. nj devils fan, what is the number for the whambulance???"

Well, if this gets out of control, I will have it shut down or delete it!

Civility is a must in this thread!

Same standings as last year. (Different points wise)

Pens
Devils
Flyers
Rangers
Isles.


I'd say Pens are the favourites to win the division, but I'd say at this point, Pens,Devils,Flyers,Rangers can all contend for the Division.

Sorry Isles fans, I just don't see the Isles making the playoffs :O

What I find funny's the fact the Rangs fans always put us 3-5 in the divison(From the previous years too.) but we end up by finishing either 4rth or winning the Division. And I feel like this is the best team we had since the Lock-out. And the second year for Sutter sure helps too.

Flyers and Pens=Pretty much the same team, as for the Rags.. They overhauled their whole roster, which I have questions for their new chemistry they'll have.

Devils - 107
Penguins - 105
Flyers - 103
Rangers - 99
Islanders - 87

1. Penguins - 107
2. Devils - 101
3. Flyers - 98
4. Rangers - 90
5. Islanders - 78

I don't know that we'll be able to challenge for the division this year, if Fleury stays consistent and Staal stays on track after his terrible last year I think they'll win it. They have too much firepower with the 1-2 punch of Crosby and Malkin. I hope Brodeur rests a bit more for the playoffs so I don't see us improving points wise (and if we do it won't be by much) but we have a better offense and if we get some good play from some newcomers on defense (Corrente/Salmela/Eckford) or if Greene stops sucking we should be okay on the backend. The Flyers will be tough to play against as always but goaltending is still an issue.

As for the Rangers, I can't really understand how many of their posters think they improved so much. They got younger and completely overhauled their forwards and with chemistry being such an issue last season, I see it happening again. I don't think Naslund/Zherdev will replace the void left behind by their departures and Dubinsky played well against us in the playoffs but he doesn't have a very high ceiling as far as I'm concerned. Staal is so overrated it's not funny, but their defense is above average (but not as good as they think).

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't think the Penguins can beat us. Last season they were behind us the whole time until they added Hossa. Who did they really add in the offseason?

We got better with Rolston and even Holik. I think that alone will put us over them.

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't think the Penguins can beat us. Last season they were behind us the whole time until they added Hossa. Who did they really add in the offseason?

We got better with Rolston and even Holik. I think that alone will put us over them.

I agree with you and think we are the better team, but I put them up there based on respect alone. They are the defending division champs and will be until someone knocks them of. Which I hope we do.

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't think the Penguins can beat us. Last season they were behind us the whole time until they added Hossa. Who did they really add in the offseason?

We got better with Rolston and even Holik. I think that alone will put us over them.

I'm with you. I think everyone in our division got worse except for the Devils who got better. Most likely the Rangers will have a tough time at the beginning of the season getting everyone on the same page like us last year. The Pens will only be as good as Malkin and Crosby if they can stay healthy. The Islanders and Flyers will probably be the same as last year.

Remember, everyone has to play the west more this year didn't the rangers have some problems against the western teams. The rangers won't have the benefit of all those wins they got against us last year.

The Flyers could be better. If Gagne comes back, and Biron plays like he did during the playoffs then I'm scared

Crosby only played like 50 games for them last season. You don't think that if he lasts that extra 30 that's good for more wins?

Crosby only played like 50 games for them last season. You don't think that if he lasts that extra 30 that's good for more wins?

dont mean to troll or anything but the last 2 seasons Crosby has gotten hurt. IMO he seems to be pretty fragile and he is more injury prone than not. i would just take that into accountability.

The rangers won't have the benefit of all those wins they got against us last year.

Really can't say how all of that will work out for the Rangers. I could see them surprising everyone by either:

A) contending for the division

B) contending to not fall below the Isles

However, with 7 wins against one single divisional opponent in 1 season (a feat that obviously cannot be repeated) and still not coming out ahead in the division, I'd find it hard to see them top the Devils in the Atlantic standings this year.

dont mean to troll or anything but the last 2 seasons Crosby has gotten hurt. IMO he seems to be pretty fragile and he is more injury prone than not. i would just take that into accountability.

When Crosby was healthy though, he didn't make that much of a difference in games against us. We have more problems with Malkin than Crosby. It seems Madden and Pandolfo keeps Crosby off the score boards usually.

dont mean to troll or anything but the last 2 seasons Crosby has gotten hurt. IMO he seems to be pretty fragile and he is more injury prone than not. i would just take that into accountability.

I don't know what you're talking about, Crosby played 79 games two years ago.

I don't know what you're talking about, Crosby played 79 games two years ago.

In the playoffs of 2006-07 he had a broken foot.


When Crosby was healthy though, he didn't make that much of a difference in games against us. We have more problems with Malkin than Crosby. It seems Madden and Pandolfo keeps Crosby off the score boards usually.

same thing with the Rangers. Malkin was the Ranger-Killer in the Pens-Rags series. Crosby wasnt really a big factor.

When Crosby was healthy though, he didn't make that much of a difference in games against us. We have more problems with Malkin than Crosby. It seems Madden and Pandolfo keeps Crosby off the score boards usually.

Right, but they only play us what 8 times a year? He'd definitely have helped them against the rest of the league and he will again this year. Plus, he's a player that makes everyone around him better, he's that good. The entire team suffers when he's not around.

I don't know what you're talking about, Crosby played 79 games two years ago.

He's talking about the foot injury he had in the playoffs last year. He still played, but he was injured.

In the playoffs of 2006-07 he had a broken foot.
Hmm, you're right. But that's just not an injury that would make me call him injury prone, it's just not a recurring injury like a hamstring, shoulder, knee, etc. I can't remember what sidelined him last season. What was it?

Edit: It was an ankle. I still don't know that at his age you can quite label him 'injury prone' yet.

I have to say that people who think the Pens are worse off are slightly wrong. I hate to say it you could put Mike Rupp next to Malkin and get 20 goals out of him. So in the end they are same. I only think Rangers and Islanders are worse bc we will beat you guys this year and with those wins rise to the top. Pilly good luck but the team hates you! and always comes to play.

Devils - 164 PTS
Penguins - 18 PTS
Flyers - 18 PTS
Islanders - 18 PTS
Rangers - 0 PTS

Its so up in the air, which is what I liked about the start of last season too. I think the Flyers will be better then most, as long as Biron games up like he did.

The Rangers are interesting. Lost a lot of heart and soul guys, but replaced (on paper) with similar production. Zherdov is a wildcard, and so is Lundqvist. If lundy has a solid season through and through then he will live up to the hype. I'm not buying this 3x vezina finalist yet. He's not elite until he has one solid year, which he is more then capable of doing.

Isles.... poor Isles. Streit is going to stink, I think. He is a good complimentary person. He's got a little added expectation. But Okposo will be good for 25 goals. 30+ if he's the real deal.

Pitt should be solid. They lose Malone and Hossa (kind of) but still retain the 2 obvious, plus still have Whitney and Orpik. And Fleury appears to have gotten past his demons. Maybe Fleury has a run at a Vezina this year instead of Lundqvist.

As for Jersey, I really think we improved and I'm not trying to be a homer. Defense should be better, if only by a little. Rolston and Holik help in so many different facets. Elias, I expect, to have a very solid year. Regardless of his past stats, you can see his skill set night in, night out. Parise is due for a breakout year, or at the very least 30 goals. And I personally think Gionta will crack 30.

That said.

1) Philly 100
2) Pitt 99
3) NJ 96
4) NYR 94
5) NYI 84

Call me on crazy on rooting for Philly. Richards and Carter are solid. Briere should have a more consistent year. Really, as always, the key is goaltending. If Biron plays like he did in the post-season, then Philly is a very tough team. That's why I'm basing them there. If their goalies stink, I'd put them just ahead of NYI and move everyone up a level

Call me on crazy on rooting for Philly.

picking them to do well? Definitely not crazy. They scare the **** out of me as a fan.

rooting for them? U CRAZY! ;)

Pens
Devils/Flyers/Rangers (in no particular order)




Isles


I think it's going to be tough. Philly played great down the stretch, but so did we in 05/06, we didn't exactly take the next leap afterwards. The Pens are on top, but not clearly, I think the one thing people miss with the Pens is MAF, the guy played really well in the playoffs. Really well. If he keeps that level up, it's something else they have. Their talent level didn't take a huge hit because Hossa fit like crap and they're better using expendable parts like Sykora and now Satan.

They miss the chippyness and people will have to step up.

Who in the world knows what the Rangers are? I don't see how you can talk a big game about them until they play. I think there's enough there that they won't be bad, but I wouldn't be planning any parades with that team. Way too much that has to gel, they lost a ton of the veteran leadership, and I think their change in style is moronic.

In all honestly, I wouldn't be planning any parades for us either. I think we addressed forward depth, but we still have two months to either find a defenseman or hope that Corrente is actually ready to be an impact player in the NHL. We also had some players
that had fluky/injury prone/mental health vacation seasons, but we also had people that overachieved.

Patty and Langs could recover from down seasons to something more typical, but at the same time, Madden and Oduya, for example, might not play at the level they did last season.

A key is also working Rolston in so he doesn't end up being a 20-25-45 player. It's not impossible this happens. They didn't do a good job of finding a role for Zubrus last season, at all. He really only finds his role because they acquired Holik.

I say crapshoot, Pens are assured of a playoff stop, Isles have a very low chance, everyone else is "it depends", they could have a great year, they could have a mediocre year.

picking them to do well? Definitely not crazy. They scare the **** out of me as a fan.

rooting for them? U CRAZY! ;)

poor choice of words. Nothing makes me more upset then seeing the smile on a happy Philadelphian.

So yes, I am picking them to do well

Penguins/Devils - I think they'll probably end up tied for first, or one being only a point or two behind.
Flyers
Rangers
Islanders

I think quite a few of you are giving the rangers and their "new and improved" lineup WAY too much credit. I agree with the 4th place division finish, but I strongly doubt they'll be in the 95-98 point range, especially since they'll have to play a few tougher games, and the Devils are better.

Pittsburgh... who knows? They aren't the same team that dominated in the playoffs, that's for sure... I think NJ and Philly give them a run for their money, and I wouldn't be surprised if NJ, PHI or PIT won the Division... but of course I think Holik will kill one Penguin, one Flyer and seven Rangers the first time he plays them... which should put NJ over the top.

The Flyers could be better. If Gagne comes back, and Biron plays like he did during the playoffs then I'm scared

Remember, Cam Ward had an outstanding postseason in '06 and has really been mediocre since then. It's tough to play like that for 60+ games. And their blue line is Timonen, Coburn, and not much else. Plus, I'm not sure that Gagne will ever be able to shake off the concussion problems.

But they have a great future and are still going to be good.

NJD: 101
PIT: 100
PHI: 97
NYR: 93 (9th spot)
NYI: 78

1. Penguins 106
2. Devils 101
3. Flyers 99
4. Rangers 98
5. Islanders 78

Penguins 102
Flyers 98
Devils 94
Rangers 91
Isles 83

So basically, it's the same thing as the one on the Rangers board, cept we all put the Devils ahead of the Rangers.

Nice.

Basically.

They are just mad, because even though they may win a few games against us, we always end up ahead of them in the standings.

I just don't think the Penguins are as good as they were last year this year. After the losses and signings, I think they're much weaker on the wing, and to me Fleury is still somewhat of a question mark. There's no doubt in my mind that they're fantastic at center and their D is pretty good at best, serviceable at worst.

The Atlantic is going to be a crapshoot. We fared well against Philly and Pitt, and they ended up in the ECF.

I'm guessing it goes:

1. Pens
2. Devils
3. Philly
4. Rangers
5. Islanders.

I think the Devils, Pens & Philly all battle it out for the Atlantic title, while the Rangers fall a little bit behind but still make the playoffs. The Isles might be competitive for a playoff spot, but I'm guessing they fade down the stretch.

I just don't think the Penguins are as good as they were last year this year. After the losses and signings, I think they're much weaker on the wing, and to me Fleury is still somewhat of a question mark. There's no doubt in my mind that they're fantastic at center and their D is pretty good at best, serviceable at worst.

The Atlantic is going to be a crapshoot. We fared well against Philly and Pitt, and they ended up in the ECF.

I agree with this. I don't know why everyone is banking Pitt--I wouldn't put my money there.

Year after year we see the Cup Champions with the hangover. But often don't notice the hangover from the looser...And its usually worse

Since 2000 Only 2 teams that lost in the finals have managed better records the following season! 2 of 7...Three missed the playoffs entirely

Loosers in the Finals since 2000
Dallas Stars = Better Record the following year
New Jersey Devils = Worse Record the following year
Carolina Hurricanes=Worse Record the following year ** Missed the playoffs
Ducks of Anaheim = Worse Record the following year ** Missed the playoffs
Calgary Flames = Better Record the following year
Edmonton Oilers= Worse Record the following year ** Missed the playoffs
Ottawa Senators= Worse Record the following year

Its not easy to get up the following season after making it all the way to finals.

EDIT: Also- Both teams that had a better record were nocked out of the playoffs early

So basically, it's the same thing as the one on the Rangers board, cept we all put the Devils ahead of the Rangers.

Nice.

Basically.

That's pretty much what I wanted to see. My experiment proved me right!

interesting article ranking the divisions of the NHL.....

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/17555-Screen-Shots-Ranking-the-NHL-by-division.html

2. Atlantic. Another no-brainer here. For starters, the state of Pennsylvania alone has two of the league’s top 10 teams. As well, there’s the Devils, a team whose year-in-year-out success is attestable to Lou Lamoriello – and I’ve finally figured out the GM’s secret: He’s actually the last surviving, uncredited Crystal Skull from the recent Indiana Jones installment. As long as “Lou’s The Boss” is playing in New Jersey, ain’t no way you should be counting them out.

I still haven’t referenced the New York Rangers, who have made some major changes this summer and appear to be a team that’s either going to win pretty or lose ugly. Pulling up the rear are the Islanders, who, though still searching for an identity, are making slow strides toward contention. They’ll likely exceed expectations to a slight degree again this season – and that’s something you definitely can’t say about some of the other division bottom-dwellers.

Honestly, look at the division objectively. Pitt got worse over the summer and there is no questioning that. The ****faces made lateral moves and you can't honestly say they will do better than last year. The Devils on the other hand actually did add something to improve weak areas. They added a top six winger with a fantastic shot who is coming off three consecutive 30 goal seasons. They also added someone who can contribute to faceoffs and add to the agitation side of the game. The Isles...well, they are the Isles...I think the division is back to the good 'ole days when it was between the devs and philly. Sure, I would love to add a top 4 defenseman, and it still may happen. But we also put up 99 points last season, lost no one, and gained a significant forward.

Remember, Cam Ward had an outstanding postseason in '06 and has really been mediocre since then. It's tough to play like that for 60+ games. And their blue line is Timonen, Coburn, and not much else. Plus, I'm not sure that Gagne will ever be able to shake off the concussion problems.


I agree with you on our defense and Gagne, but the Cam Ward example isn't really necessary...he was a rookie. Biron is pretty established, he won't always be as hot as he was last playoffs, but it's a safe bet he won't fall off the face of the earth.

I agree with you on our defense and Gagne, but the Cam Ward example isn't really necessary...he was a rookie. Biron is pretty established, he won't always be as hot as he was last playoffs, but it's a safe bet he won't fall off the face of the earth.

I think Biron is a very solid goalie. I just don't think he's ever going to achieve greatness. I mean remember he shuts us out with ease earlier in the season and then gets absolutely shelled by us at least twice thereafter. It's stuff like that which, I think, will impede him from getting to the "next level."

Although I hate the fact he's on the Flyers and that he's had quite a bit of success against us...I really hope Gagne can get back on his game after that horrible last season. I truly like the guy for some odd reason and I think he's incredibly talented and without a doubt a "natural" goal scorer.

I agree with you on our defense and Gagne, but the Cam Ward example isn't really necessary...he was a rookie. Biron is pretty established, he won't always be as hot as he was last playoffs, but it's a safe bet he won't fall off the face of the earth.

Perhaps it wasn't the best comparison to make, with that you're right. Biron is a better goaltender than Cam Ward. The point that I was trying to get at is that it will be difficult for Biron to maintain the outstanding level of play that we saw from him this spring.

Now, he probably won't go down to a Cam Ward level, but I'd find it very difficult to see constant excellence from him this season. Biron had stretches last year during the regular season where he was great (especially in the beginning of the season) and stretches where he struggled.

interesting article ranking the divisions of the NHL.....

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/17555-Screen-Shots-Ranking-the-NHL-by-division.html

Im likin the Indiana Jones reference :thumbu: