The Hockey News ranks best players: Brodeur #23

Papa Luongo gets #7, Queen Henke gets #14, Nabakov is #16.

What a joke.

Parise gets #32

Papa Luongo gets #7, Queen Henke gets #14, Nabakov is #16.

What a joke.

Parise gets #32

:biglaugh:

oh well, people can think what they want.

I saw that this morning, its a complete joke. How could the queen be ahead of marty? Am I missing something? Nabby and Marty should have been above the other two, hands down.

Hey now, Luongo is the heir apparent. He's so great that in order to sell anything in Canada, you have to put his name on it. I'm surprised they didn't make him 1-10.

The greatest goalie to ever win one playoff series.

Hey now, Luongo is the heir apparent. He's so great that in order to sell anything in Canada, you have to put his name on it. I'm surprised they didn't make him 1-10.

The greatest goalie to ever win one playoff series.

EVER!

Is it just me or has THN gone from being a decent publication to complete and utter **** in the last 3-4 years?

I can't wait to go home and read this now!

I got it yesterday in the mail....I guess I'll have some good wiping material!

Since I don't feel like ranting again, I'll just basically repost what I wrote on the thread on the main board:

Brodeur is a joke at 23.

If THN hates the Devils so much, then just leave the Devils off the magazine altogether.

Better not be associated with that piece of **** publication. Would be good toilet paper for me.

haha..that's really funny! Thanks THN...I needed that. :laugh:

I can't imagine how people would rate Luongo after he actually wins something.

Hey now, Luongo is the heir apparent. He's so great that in order to sell anything in Canada, you have to put his name on it. I'm surprised they didn't make him 1-10.

The greatest goalie to ever win one playoff series.

The only thing he endorses in Canada is Crisco.

Just like I think Eklund rumors should be banned from this board, the same do I feel for stuff regarding The Hockey News.

We shouldn't give that thing the time of day. They've done nothing but disrespect the Devils organization since '95.

Basically, to them, there are 29 teams in the league.

The only thing he endorses in Canada is Crisco.

lol. I'm talking about hockey magazines.

Before I even clicked this thread, I knew Pads McGee would be ranked higher than Marty...I just knew it. I can't wait until they decrease the pad size and uncover him for the fraud that he is.

Just like I think Eklund rumors should be banned from this board, the same do I feel for stuff regarding The Hockey News.

We shouldn't give that thing the time of day. They've done nothing but disrespect the Devils organization since '95.

Basically, to them, there are 29 teams in the league.

Completely true. This is common practice for THN.

I want to know if Lundqvist was #14, where were his pads ranked?

If THN hates the Devils so much, then just leave the Devils off the magazine altogether

If they hated the devils so much, they wouldn't have overrated parise so much. Brodeur is easily top 10 though. that is a joke

Because I didn't just have to google Crisco...:sarcasm:

I can't imagine how people would rate Luongo after he actually wins something.

They´d rank him 23rd, naturally :sarcasm:

But all and all, at the end of the day, who gives a rat´s arse to some player ranking? These lists are always mostly fanboy-material, as everyone knows deep down inside.

/rant.

lol. I'm talking about hockey magazines.

oh jeez, sorry my bad:sarcasm:

It must be based on playoff performance, Luongo didn't have a single bad game in the playoffs last year. :sarcasm:


THN is a joke.

Oh yeah, like you know that guy Brodeur certainly didn't win the Vezina trophy last season, ofc, Luongo won it, and Nabokov and Lundqvist almost won it too :sarcasm:

What the heck, those writers certainly got either paid by her majesty or.. They took their "Brosses"(Getting drunk to the point of vomit.) of their lives. (If they have a life, which I doubt.()

I'm a little surprised that he is ranked out of the top 20, but not surprised he is now out of the top 10.

I believe he was probably the #1 player in the NHL from around 96-06 (approx) but over the last few years there were times that he looked like age and the sheer number of games he's played had caught up with him.
Maybe thats a conditioning thing, but in any case at this point in his HOF career it's only a matter of time until he retires.

What more does he have to prove ?

BTW I thought only Ottawa fans hate THN. I associate it with the Toronto newspapers and it carries columnists that have written that Ottawa does not 'deserve' to have an NHL team or that our team should have been moved. I hate them and hope they burn in hell !
:handclap:

Is this article more about "projected" players. I could see how they would think Lundqvist would have a better season than Brodeur. But to base this all on past achievements... then that would be an absolute joke.

Jeez when i read the title i thought they were ranking all time players. Im serious.

AfroThunder's avatar perfectly describes how I feel about this list.

Thornton at 21 is almost as dumb as Marty at 23.

Is it just me or has THN gone from being a decent publication to complete and utter **** in the last 3-4 years?

It went down the drain, you are not crazy ;)

I believe he was probably the #1 player in the NHL from around 96-06 (approx)
Maybe thats a conditioning thing, but in any case at this point in his HOF career it's only a matter of time until he retires.

What more does he have to prove ?

Do you write for The Hockey News? Brodeur has one the last two Vezina Trophies! He's also won four of the last five Vezinas. Why would he think about retirement?

Do you write for The Hockey News? Brodeur has one the last two Vezina Trophies! He's also won four of the last five Vezinas. Why would he think about retirement?

Don't say the "R" word... Brodeur still has plenty to play for... win #552 (SOON) and the all-time shutout record... I wonder if Luongo will be wearing proper equipment and/or be living up to the hype by the time Brodeur crushes those goaltending records.

As for Lundqvist, let's wait and see him play next year... if he is even half decent with those scrubs in front of him, I will give him the credit he's due... wait until Rolston blasts a slapper off his face and Parise puts in the rebound, top shelf.

... wait until Rolston blasts a slapper off his face and Parise puts in the rebound, top shelf.

did anyone else get the chills because they can vividly picture that in their mind? I know i did

Henry can put that on his mantle next to his 3rd place Vezina trophies.

Understanding the stupidity of these things, if it was based off last year going into this year (including the playoffs), Lundqvist doesn't bother me all that much.

Luongo drives me nuts. He stunk and they stunk.

It went down the drain, you are not crazy ;)

Yeah what happened man? I used to have a subscription when I was younger and read it all the time and it was great. Now it just seems to be full of garbage issue after issue after issue, not even just stuff regarding the Devils, the overall content has just been terrible.

I'm glad I'm not paying for that **** anymore man, it's really sad though because it truly was an awesome publication at one time, especially around 95-99 when I used to get it.

did anyone else get the chills because they can vividly picture that in their mind? I know i did

Here's a clip of him demolishing another of our "favourites"... can't wait to see him do this in Red/Black/White... I am literally counting down the days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkyzT6HxGM

THN's subscriptions are falling faster than Enron's stock.
They are not a good hockey source and have not been for a while now.

I think they just closed their eyes and pointed for some of these.

THN's subscriptions are falling faster than Enron's stock.
They are not a good hockey source and have not been for a while now.


I think what is happening is that they are assuming that since players are getting older, they aren't as good.

In the case of Brodeur, I think everyone REALLY needs to consider the fact that Marty has always been in great shape, and that he had a year off in 04/5... he obviously came out of the lockout in top form, and has since played arguably his best hockey... I believe that his career will be extended thanks to the lockout.

I am just really hoping he doesn't pull a Favre, bail out and come back playing for the Blue Jackets.

I am just really hoping he doesn't pull a Favre, bail out and comeback and play for the Blue Jackets That's more of a Niedermayer thing to do, not know what he wants.

i saw today that he was 23........what a ****ing joke thats ********

Its THN. We are lucky that they don´t blame Brodeur for WWII.

THN's subscriptions are falling faster than Enron's stock.
They are not a good hockey source and have not been for a while now.
This.
Its THN. We are lucky that they don´t blame Brodeur for WWII.
And this. We all know THN hates the Devils (we all remember that "Please don't let the Devils win the Cup" ********).

Glad I don't waste money on their sorry excuse for a magazine.

THN's is a pile of ****, it was only decently good when they had the newspaper format, and they havent used that since 2001.

This is the last straw. I'm seriously considering canceling my subscription.

Everyone knows that Marty is a "average" player and the only way his stats are that good is because of the "system"... aka the trap :sarcasm:

None of our players have talent, they just play a perfect system and that's the reason why we've been one of the best, stable, consistent and hardest teams to play against in the past 10 years or so.

LOL THN just reninded me why I cancelled my subscription. Bunch of haters over there.

Oh great, yet another "poll" in which either a NYR player/players, coach or prospect pool is ranked higher than that of the Devils.

Last week Tom Renney was christened onto a Scotty Bowman plain in some other off the wall poll. All for making the playoffs 3 years in a row and not getting out of the 2nd round. Yawn. There's no reason why he should be ranked higher than Sutter and at the same level as Babcock, Laviolette, etc.

And If it weren't for an overhyped defenseman with a famous hockey last name and a late-blooming goalie (who was traded to Phoenix for a nobody anyway), I'd say both our prospect pools are equal and the there's no reason for that to be ranked higher either.

As far as this latest poll, any layman can see that Henrik Lundqvist cannot handle the greuling rigors of an entire NHL season, witness all the Hart MVP talk in November followed by his save % gradually regressing (big time) as the season has progressed in each of his first 3 seasons.

Once again, THN thinks it is appealing to the masses and that by overhyping anything and everything to do with the NYR, that somehow their "large" fan base (not really that much over 18,200 people in actuallity) will be swayed by the positive publicity and thus result in increased sales.

THN=tabloid journalism for the uneducated masses!

This is the last straw. I'm seriously considering canceling my subscription.

I was going to subscribe, but then I decided that if I was in the mood to read mindless drivel, I could check out the Rangers board for free.

I was going to subscribe, but then I decided that if I was in the mood to read mindless drivel, I could check out the Rangers board for free.

now THAT is the post of the year. :laugh:

Lundqvist ahead of Brodeur? In what world? Luongo I can buy... To some extent...

Lundqvist ahead of Brodeur? In what world? Luongo I can buy... To some extent...
Well Luongo certainly has the stats and accomplishments to back it up....
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:laugh:

I Brodeur played in Canada he would be considered Gretzky v2.0.

I was going to subscribe, but then I decided that if I was in the mood to read mindless drivel, I could check out the Rangers board for free.

Sig material...thanks!

Sig material...thanks!

It's THN buddy. :D

It's THN buddy. :D

Thanks...It's early!

Oh great, yet another "poll" in which either a NYR player/players, coach or prospect pool is ranked higher than that of the Devils.

Last week Tom Renney was christened onto a Scotty Bowman plain in some other off the wall poll. All for making the playoffs 3 years in a row and not getting out of the 2nd round. Yawn. There's no reason why he should be ranked higher than Sutter and at the same level as Babcock, Laviolette, etc.

And If it weren't for an overhyped defenseman with a famous hockey last name and a late-blooming goalie (who was traded to Phoenix for a nobody anyway), I'd say both our prospect pools are equal and the there's no reason for that to be ranked higher either.

As far as this latest poll, any layman can see that Henrik Lundqvist cannot handle the greuling rigors of an entire NHL season, witness all the Hart MVP talk in November followed by his save % gradually regressing (big time) as the season has progressed in each of his first 3 seasons.

Once again, THN thinks it is appealing to the masses and that by overhyping anything and everything to do with the NYR, that somehow their "large" fan base (not really that much over 18,200 people in actuallity) will be swayed by the positive publicity and thus result in increased sales.

THN=tabloid journalism for the uneducated masses!

you're the best Muttley!:laugh:

From the "Marc Staal is nothing more than a young Colin White"(this one is definetely archived) to the "they only have 18,200 fans"(you realize that there is a multi-yr waiting list for season tickets, let alone those that are fans that don't/can't afford to go to games) to the prospect pools are at the same level, the NYR's are just overhyped stuff, it just is funny reading your "views"!

and Lundy's play dips as the year goes on?

Another falsehood because while he started out redhot he had a lull in decemeber and the 1st 1/2 of January and then he was rock solid again down the stretch which he has lead for the last 2 yrs where they needed bigtime runs to get into/position themselves for the playoffs.

And Sutter at this point should be ranked dead even with Renney?

Based on what?

Not calling Renney Scotty Bowman by any stretch but he has gotten a team to the PO's 3 straight times after 7 misses, has cultivated a totally different enviorment within the NYR's and as far as comparisons to Sutter he outcoached him all season and severely in the playoffs.

I was disappointed that you didn't make it over to the NYR-NJD thread where we were all having a little fun with eachother last week.

Thanks...It's early!

Trust me, I understand. I've been ****ing up left and right lately, but that's what sleep deprivation does to you.

Trust me, I understand. I've been ****ing up left and right lately, but that's what sleep deprivation does to you.

Kid or the tooth problem still?

Kid or the tooth problem still?

Nah the antibiotics took care of the tooth, that's straight now. (plus the percocet certainly helped make it a much more enjoyable experience haha). But it is a tooth problem in general...my sons teething quite a bit so he's been very irate, last night he was up practically every hour so we had to keep waking up to get him to go back to sleep, I've been up since like 6 and didn't really fall asleep until like 3 (and this has been every day so far). Then on top of it all, all week I've been working upstairs at re-painting basically the entire floor, replacing outlets and attempting to fix some imperfections in the drywall plus taking care of him all day.

It's been pretty brutal. haha.

you're the best Muttley!:laugh:

From the "Marc Staal is nothing more than a young Colin White"(this one is definetely archived) to the "they only have 18,200 fans"(you realize that there is a multi-yr waiting list for season tickets, let alone those that are fans that don't/can't afford to go to games) to the prospect pools are at the same level, the NYR's are just overhyped stuff, it just is funny reading your "views"!

and Lundy's play dips as the year goes on?

Another falsehood because while he started out redhot he had a lull in decemeber and the 1st 1/2 of January and then he was rock solid again down the stretch which he has lead for the last 2 yrs where they needed bigtime runs to get into/position themselves for the playoffs.

And Sutter at this point should be ranked dead even with Renney?

Based on what?

Not calling Renney Scotty Bowman by any stretch but he has gotten a team to the PO's 3 straight times after 7 misses, has cultivated a totally different enviorment within the NYR's and as far as comparisons to Sutter he outcoached him all season and severely in the playoffs.

I was disappointed that you didn't make it over to the NYR-NJD thread where we were all having a little fun with eachother last week.



I still think that Colin White's rookie season was much more impressive that that of Marc Staal, even with the temper problems leading to penalties.

And I still stand by that statement.

I actually like Marc Staal and this is what I said about him and Colin White:

You really think that?

I'd take a 21 year old Marc Staal on the Devils in a heartbeat, but he wasn't even the best defenseman on the NYR last season and he didn't stand out among any of them either.

He was and still is hyped because of his last name and we are continually told that he will be "great" one day. On draft day when he fell out of the Top 10, many analysts said it was because many teams realized that he really wasn't a #1 or #2 D man and perhaps was more suited to being a #3 or #4.

His offense leaves a lot to be desired and one his strong points was supposed to be having great puck handling skills and being excellent at making breakout passes. His positioning was excellent and he was very physical, but these puck skills attributed to him didn't really stand out.

Defenseman take a longer time to develop than forwards, but Marc Staal has done nothing in his rookie season to warrant him morphing into becoming the best defenseman in the NHL, let alone on the NYR.

I envision him being a young Colin White, albeit more level headed, but nothing more than a #2 or #3. There's nothing wrong in that.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=14747570&highlight=staal+white#post14747570



I actually respect Henrik Lundqvist and admit that he has mastered our forwards (except for Patrik Elias) and don't use the excuse of his pads as being the reason why he has dominated us, as some people here do. There is no question that in each of his 3 seasons, a pattern has developed in that his play had dropped significantly as the season rolls on and always seems to peak in November. This shouldn't even be an debated.

As far as Tom Renney is concerned, there is no reason for a unaccomplished coach who has made the playoffs 3 seasons in row and has failed to get out of the 2nd round to be ranked any higher than another unaccomplished rookie coach who made the playoffs in his 1st season. Tom Renney is unremarkable (and might not even last this upcoming season) and so is Sutter. There's nothing wrong with that assessment.

And can you please stop with the "waiting list" for NYR season tickets? Nobody believes this and it is absolutely not true. People apply for and get them whenever they want, without a "waiting list." I know this for a fact. The NYR low television ratings, lack of media coverage in the NYC area over the last 3 years and easy availability of NYR tickets all indicate that that there really isn't as much of a demand for NYR tickets as some people would like us to believe. We don't believe it anymore. It's just a myth. But keep telling yourself that there is an incredible demand for NYR tickets if it makes you feel better.

Just acknowledge and be happy that the box score indicates 18,200 people for almost every home game. Stop lying to us.

And can you please stop with the "waiting list" for NYR season tickets? Nobody believes this and it is absolutely not true. People apply for and get them whenever they want, without a "waiting list." I know this for a fact. The NYR low television ratings, lack of media coverage in the NYC area over the last 3 years and easy availability of NYR tickets all indicate that that there really isn't as much of a demand for NYR tickets as some people would like us to believe. We don't believe it anymore. It's just a myth. But keep telling yourself that there is an incredible demand for NYR tickets if it makes you feel better.

Just acknowledge and be happy that the box score indicates 18,200 people for almost every home game. Stop lying to us.

So there is no waiting list for Ranger season tickets?:laugh:

even for you Muttley this is going out on a limb because you can get shut up so easily.

How much would you wager that it is impossible to get NYR season tickets and that there is indeed a waiting list that is a couple of yrs long?

even if it's not cash bet and instead something like outright admitting just how ridiculously offbase you are with this stuff should suffice.

So how about It Muttley.

If I prove to you that there is indeed a waiting list for NYR tickets will you man up and come here and own up to not knowing what you are talking about?:sarcasm:

How much would you wager that it is impossible to get NYR season tickets and that there is indeed a waiting list that is a couple of yrs long?
http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/patterson_bigfoot.jpg
http://library.thinkquest.org/5679/americanmyths/images/pbcover.jpg
So all 18,200whatever the **** amount of seats are accounted for by STHs?

Jonathon at least backs his annoying rants up with facts and sources. instead of the "oh come on everyone knows" argument that JA does.

Or the "it was published in a very important magazine 2 years ago" but never supplies a source... tangible proof. Its tough to believe you... so why not shut us up and show us these "facts."

Until then, JA you're a joke on these boards.

I don't understand this argument, but the idea that its impossible to get Rangers season tickets is insane. I have no doubt that there is an official waiting list, but if one wanted to, there are a number of sites that offer hundreds of Rangers season tickets for sale.

Maybe I just don't understand what this argument is about? I have a feeling I'm missing something, if so sorry. :)

I don't understand this argument, but the idea that its impossible to get Rangers season tickets is insane. I have no doubt that there is an official waiting list, but if one wanted to, there are a number od sites that offer hundreds of Rangers season tickets for sale.

Maybe I just don't understand what this argument is about? I have a feeling I'm missing something, if so sorry. :)
That Rangers fans are smug over the fact that they can attract 2,000 more fans a game on average while being based in the biggest city in the world and having a 80 or so year head start.

Jonathon at least backs his annoying rants up with facts. instead of the "oh come on everyone knows" argument that JA does. Or the "it was published in a very important magazine 2 years ago" but never supplies a source.

JA you're a joke.

Source: NY Post


aka worst publication ever for anything

Source: NY Post


aka worst publication ever for anything

Even then! If he showed me the link. I'd at least have to have my gripe with the post and not him

That Rangers fans are smug over the fact that they can attract 2,000 more fans a game on average while being based in the biggest city in the world and having a 80 or so year head start.

I've never understood why anyone (Rangers fan, Devils fan, whatever) would give a crap about the size of the fan base. Weird.

I've never understood why anyone (Rangers fan, Devils fan, whatever) would give a crap about the size of the fan base. Weird.

I think this all has more to do with us not selling out and them "selling out" games yet, we almost never make mention of it except in defense of their ridiculous and ultimately pointless jabs at it.

Quite frankly we still shouldn't give a **** about it...but it happens. Good, great, you sell more tickets. We win more championships and have more overall success. We're running out of room for our banners on one side of the arena, meanwhile you can't hang up all your consolation prizes. :shakehead


edit: because of course you can't hang ****.
/debate

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

Where are you going with this?

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

I think there are numerous reasons why he should be ranked higher. But yea, go ahead and hold on to the one reason... and twist around because I always thought the GENERAL MANAGERS of NHL teams that voted for the Vezina.

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

i should have just left it at this...

http://www.chrisbodenner.com/blog/uploaded_images/fail7-768920.jpg

I think there are numerous reasons why he should be ranked higher. But yea, go ahead and hold on to the one reason... and twist around because I always thought the GENERAL MANAGERS of NHL teams that voted for the Vezina.

Everyone knows that the NY based hockey writers know more about everything than the people who run the clubs.

Jonathon at least backs his annoying rants up with facts and sources. instead of the "oh come on everyone knows" argument that JA does.

Or the "it was published in a very important magazine 2 years ago" but never supplies a source... tangible proof. Its tough to believe you... so why not shut us up and show us these "facts."

Until then, JA you're a joke on these boards.



just for the record I did not bring up attendance but was rather calling Muttley out for saying that it is an outright lie that there is any waiting list for season tickets.

And it's not my fault you need links to things that are common knowledge or better yet common sense to most people!

That's why I like when you venture over to our board.

Anyone who wants to confirm that there is a waiting list that stretches a couple of yrs for season tickets at MSG feel free to call 212-465-6073 and ask in great detail any and all questions you want.

Just do me a favor and let me know how it works out!

You like when I venture on to your board? Cause you feel intellectually superior?

Last I checked, Mr. Summer's Eve, I was still waiting for your response to my last comment in our previous debate.
You're one to talk about common sense. Explain to me again how Brodeur gave up "at least one crappy" goal in the 2k7 series vs. tampa? That is what you said, right?

You're still the joke around here.

well how does it feel to have a joke get the better of you each and every time we clash in one of these threads?:nod:

and come back and tell me how wrong I am on the ticket thing after you call MSG.

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

The Vezina Trophy is awarded annually to the National Hockey League's goaltender who is "adjudged to be the best at this position".[1] At the end of each season, the 30 General Managers of the teams in the National Hockey League vote to determine the goaltender who was the most valuable to his team during the regular season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vezina_Trophy

So what exactly do the writers have to do with that? :laugh:

I think there are numerous reasons why he should be ranked higher. But yea, go ahead and hold on to the one reason... and twist around because I always thought the GENERAL MANAGERS of NHL teams that voted for the Vezina.

sorry didn't see this one. wooooooops

well how does it feel to have a joke get the better of you each and every time we clash in one of these threads?:nod:

and come back and tell me how wrong I am on the ticket thing after you call MSG.

One thing I still don't get... why does anyone care if there is a waiting list if there are hundreds of season tickets available at reasonable prices on a multitude of ticket sites? There has be 80 tickets or so available on stubhub alone.

I don't understand why anyone would sign up for a waiting list if tickets are readily available.

"well how does it feel to have a joke get the better of you each and every time we clash in one of these threads? :nod:"


I meant to congratulate you before, because you posted without a smiley face.

Like I said, I was still waiting for a response from our previous debate where I completely counterpointed everything you said.

You're probably right about the MSG thing. I really wouldn't know, I'm too lazy to go through that. I just keep hearing about it over and over again, and have yet to actually see proof. Even if its true, you can chalk half of them up to corporations in the NYC area. It's not that hard to be a successful New York city-based team.

My statement about your lack of sources was not exclusive to that one argument, though. Many times you shout points at me and fail to back them up... but always use the "everyone knows this" as your backup.

I gotta wonder, man. Do you like baseball or football? Mets or Jets fan? What are you teams? There has to be something we have in common. Same music perhaps? Into techno? What's your trance name, DJ massengill?

You can't be this horrible a person. Are you at least rooting for the USA in the Olympics?

"well how does it feel to have a joke get the better of you each and every time we clash in one of these threads? :nod:"


I meant to congratulate you before, because you posted without a smiley face.

Like I said, I was still waiting for a response from our previous debate where I completely counterpointed everything you said.

You're probably right about the MSG thing. I really wouldn't know, I'm too lazy to go through that. I just keep hearing about it over and over again, and have yet to actually see proof. Even if its true, you can chalk half of them up to corporations in the NYC area. It's not that hard to be a successful New York city-based team.

My statement about your lack of sources was not exclusive to that one argument, though. Many times you shout points at me and fail to back them up... but always use the "everyone knows this" as your backup.

I gotta wonder, man. Do you like baseball or football? Mets or Jets fan? What are you teams? There has to be something we have in common. Same music perhaps? Into techno? What's your trance name, DJ massengill?

You can't be this horrible a person. Are you at least rooting for the USA in the Olympics?

I'm not, but I am a ****** person. :D

You're not helping!

You're not helping!

haha. want help? use the ignore feature. HF Boards is much more pleasant of an experience without having to read that dudes ****in stupidity. :p:

haha. want help? use the ignore feature. HF Boards is much more pleasant of an experience without having to read that dudes ****in stupidity. :p:

Im glad Billy just has the sense to not quote the troll. :handclap:

Another Rangers/Devils pissing match ensues anytime JA comes here.

:rolleyes:

It's starting to get real repetive, real quick.

just for the record I did not bring up attendance but was rather calling Muttley out for saying that it is an outright lie that there is any waiting list for season tickets.

And it's not my fault you need links to things that are common knowledge or better yet common sense to most people!

That's why I like when you venture over to our board.

Anyone who wants to confirm that there is a waiting list that stretches a couple of yrs for season tickets at MSG feel free to call 212-465-6073 and ask in great detail any and all questions you want.

Just do me a favor and let me know how it works out!
It might say 18,200 on the score board but you know damn well that there aren't even close to 18,200 in the building.

Another Rangers/Devils pissing match ensues anytime JA comes here.

:rolleyes:

It's starting to get real repetive, real quick.

this is where the ignore list comes very handy. :laugh:

He's on my list! But people quote him all the time. So like an idiot, I stoop to his level of stupidity. Lol, then I have to sign out to see what he says. Kind of defeats the point :laugh:

Well, I guess this thing isn't all JA's fault. The debate started when Muttley went off on one of his typical anti-NYR posts. We should've just let those two duke it out. Would've been MUCH more enjoyable.

Well, I guess this thing isn't all JA's fault. The debate started when Muttley went off on one of his typical anti-NYR posts. We should've just let those two duke it out. Would've been MUCH more enjoyable.

Of course, Muttley feels the need to include the NYR in every one of his posts. Can we go back to complaining about THN?

Well, I guess this thing isn't all JA's fault. The debate started when Muttley went off on one of his typical anti-NYR posts. We should've just let those two duke it out. Would've been MUCH more enjoyable.

That's why I took Muttley off my ignore. It's pretty funny to watch him and JA try to verbally kill each other.

we can agree on something!

I guess the waves have died down. So... Brodeur at 23. Does anyone know if this is a prediction of next season... or an evaluation of last season. I could see how they would predict these rankings.... but it makes no sense for this to be an evaluation on last year.

we can agree on something!

I guess the waves have died down. So... Brodeur at 23. Does anyone know if this is a prediction of next season... or an evaluation of last season. I could see how they would predict these rankings.... but it makes no sense for this to be an evaluation on last year.

I don't know...I was so angry when I read this, I haven't even looked at the magazine yet!

My brother and I only seem to read the things about the Devils, chuckle about it, and then throw away the magazine.

There's only one that still hasn't been thrown away and that's the one about Rolston returning and you can see them putting the name and number on the jersey. It stays opened up to that page and it's sitting on our laundry basket in the bathroom.

I've never understood why anyone (Rangers fan, Devils fan, whatever) would give a crap about the size of the fan base. Weird.

Simple. When you win just 1 Stanley Cup since the Roosevelt Administration and along come the Islanders & Devils who win 7 Stanley Cups amongst themselves, it makes some (but not all) NYR fans feel better about themselves and absolves their own franchise's one-ice ineptness.

Safety in numbers.

Of course, Muttley feels the need to include the NYR in every one of his posts. Can we go back to complaining about THN?

Well, since many of us feel that Brodeur is ranked too low and should be ranked higher than Henrik Lundqvist, not to mention last week's coaches poll, I think the NYR-Devil debate is very relevant in this thread, especially comming from THN which seems to always dislike the Devils and almost always rank the NYR higher than our organization in almost every type of poll imaginable.

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Well, since many of us feel that Brodeur is ranked too low and should be ranked higher than Henrik Lundqvist, not to mention last week's coaches poll, I think the NYR-Devil debate is very relevant in this thread, especially comming from THN which seems to always dislike the Devils and almost always rank the NYR higher than our organization in almost every type of poll imaginable.

call it straight Muttley, posters like me and you find reasons to make the NYR-NJD rivalry relevant in most of our posts!

BTW-have you had time to make that call yet and come back to report how it went?

Hurry up because they close at 5pm today!

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

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Dr. Cox FTW :handclap:

Why the **** has this turned into a Ranger **** fest!? What do the Rangers have to do with Brodeur getting the shaft in the THN player rankings?

Why the **** has this turned into a Ranger **** fest!? What do the Rangers have to do with Brodeur getting the shaft in the THN player rankings?

It's all GA#11's fault.

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

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Why the **** has this turned into a Ranger **** fest!? What do the Rangers have to do with Brodeur getting the shaft in the THN player rankings?

When Muttley and JA had their usual debate.

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.
Vezina Trophy
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Vezina Trophy
Established 1926-27 NHL season
Current holder Martin Brodeur
Awarded to the National Hockey League's top goaltender who is "adjudged to be the best at this position"

The Vezina Trophy is awarded annually to the National Hockey League's goaltender who is "adjudged to be the best at this position".[1] At the end of each season, the 30 General Managers of the teams in the National Hockey League vote to determine the goaltender who was the most valuable to his team during the regular season. Before 1981, it was awarded to the goaltender(s) of the team allowing the fewest number of goals during the regular season; now, the William M. Jennings Trophy is awarded under this previous definition.
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So there is no waiting list for Ranger season tickets?:laugh:

even for you Muttley this is going out on a limb because you can get shut up so easily.

How much would you wager that it is impossible to get NYR season tickets and that there is indeed a waiting list that is a couple of yrs long?

even if it's not cash bet and instead something like outright admitting just how ridiculously offbase you are with this stuff should suffice.

So how about It Muttley.

If I prove to you that there is indeed a waiting list for NYR tickets will you man up and come here and own up to not knowing what you are talking about?:sarcasm:

You act as if those season tickets are held by fans, not the hundreds of corporations lining the Financial District.

Face it, the Knicks have the same deal too (And you know they weren't selling tix with their recent play), and the Liberty would if the WNBA was anywhere close to interesting. The novelty of MSG. I can't count how many friends I have, who work in finance and the like, who get tickets to various games at MSG. It's nothing to be ashamed of, all NYC sports teams, sans the Isles, benefit from it. Yanks, Mets, Rangers, Knicks, Giants and Jets, all have huge amounts of corporate seat holders.

So holding the whole "You can't get tickets for a billion years" thing over our head isn't much to brag about. You drop any team into NYC, and they get the same deal. You're completely right though, there's a terrible lack of corporate interest in the Devils.

Well, at least the Vancouver fans haven't noticed me ragging on Luongo.

Let me see if I have this right:

People here are complaining about his ranking which is the subjective list of hockey writers. But to defend why he should be ranked higher you are referencing the Vezina he received ----thanks to the subjective work of hockey writers.

2 things you're wrong about here dude:

1) the Vezina is not voted on by writers
1a) unlike you, GM's watch other hockey teams including NJ

2) the Vezina is not the only reason Brodeur is far and away better than rank #23... and if it were, it would still be enough of a reason


PS: JA, companies buying seats at stadiums to further try to prove that NYC is the center of anything but annoying does not count.

You're completely right though, there's a terrible lack of corporate interest in the Devils.

oop :help: sorry bro, I missed your post and ranted away about corporate seats!! I agree, although "WNBA" and "remotely interesting" shouldn't be used in the same sentence ;)

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Bye now.

Hahaha. Yes! We need to assemble a YouTube collection of O+A clips.

Hahaha. Yes! We need to assemble a YouTube collection of O+A clips.
Here is a working arsenal for when the obviously well educated Rangers fans stop by to tell us that the writers pick the Vezina winner.
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Everyone feel free to add.

Well, at least the Vancouver fans haven't noticed me ragging on Luongo.

Do it on the main forum. I dare you.

How dare you criticize a set of pads that completely **** the ****ing bed last season!

Here is a working arsenal for when the obviously well educated Rangers fans stop by to tell us that the writers pick the Vezina winner.
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I'm trying to find DruBoogie's "Be Retarded" song. Holy crap, that one is a gem.

One thing I still don't get... why does anyone care if there is a waiting list if there are hundreds of season tickets available at reasonable prices on a multitude of ticket sites? There has be 80 tickets or so available on stubhub alone.

I don't understand why anyone would sign up for a waiting list if tickets are readily available.


Sure tickets are available on those sites, but not for "reasonable prices." From experience, usually you have to pay around 15-25% over face value for Rangers tickets at MSG, and that's not counting the surcharges of those sites. So, if you really want to go to a lot of regular season games, you're spending a whole hell of a lot more money if you don't have season tickets in the long run. For example the best offer I found for tickets a particular game should of cost me $150 total according to face value. I ended up paying almost $240 when all was said and done from stubhub. $90 is a lot, at least for me. That was the best offer I found for a mostly insignificant game. I check often for prices during the season and it's always like that.

As far as the THN article.... They are obviously not basing it completely on past performance. Seems more of a projection for this season coming up, and if that's the case it's largely speculation. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Is it just me or has THN gone from being a decent publication to complete and utter **** in the last 3-4 years?

It's not just you I had to cancel my subscription last year I just couldn't take it anymore. It really came down to the only worthwhile issue was the draft preview one where they go over all the draft prospects.

I'm trying to find DruBoogie's "Be Retarded" song. Holy crap, that one is a gem.

Aww nyeeoo thats teeeyyrrballl
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