David Clarkson Yeah or Nah??

I have a question for my fellow Devils fans. Can anyone tell me why Carkie is on this team? Last season he did nothing but skate around and try to go behind the net and score. Now this normally wouldn't seem like a bad thing but that was his only move. Most of the time he was running into his team mates and holding on to the puck to long and refused to pass. At least that's what I saw from him. I watched every game on center ice and I never saw any improvement. Can anyone tell my why I should believe he has any skill at all? I know he's become a fan favorite but sheesh?? Do Something with the puck! What do you guys think? :help:

I have a question for my fellow Devils fans. Can anyone tell me why Carkie is on this team? Last season he did nothing but skate around and try to go behind the net and score. Now this normally wouldn't seem like a bad thing but that was his only move. Most of the time he was running into his team mates and holding on to the puck to long and refused to pass. At least that's what I saw from him. I watched every game on center ice and I never saw any improvement. Can anyone tell my why I should believe he has any skill at all? I know he's become a fan favorite but sheesh?? Do Something with the puck! What do you guys think? :help:
He did score ten goals playing on the third and fourth lines as a rookie. He brings grit, physicality, and something of a scoring touch. But he does need to be more creative.

He needs to learn more than that one move but he has shown good signs for a young kid and good grit and tenacity. he definitely needs to learn to pass more - he wins the puck behind the net alot but now that everyone knows he is going to wrap, he needs to find the open man more. I think he has a future still. Its all about adapting, other teams adapted to his style - he needs to change it up back a little to give them something more to think about.

He's was rookie. He was going to make mistakes and he does need to be more creative and improve on some things, but he's going to be a solid bottom 6 guy on this team.

I agree to an extent. Maybe I'm being to hard on him. But It seemed last season he was a bit selfish with the puck, hopefully this season he'll work out some of those issues. Though I have a feeling he might become the enforcer on the team.

As tiresome as his behind the net wraparound attempts were, they were strangely effective. He adds physicality and enthusiasm and actually does have some skill...he's just usually too slow to use it. He owned Wozniewski in that Toronto game--not saying much, but he showed that he actually has decent hands throughout the season.

He doesn't have much hockey sense so I don't think he should really try to be more creative, because that's not his game. He's not selfish--he's stupid. I think maturity will polish that part of his game a little bit. He protects the puck well along the boards and just needs to work on being less of a defensive liability, and probably has the skills to be a nice change of pace on the power play if he works on some Holmstrom skills.

Clarkson has the skills to be a 3rd or 4th line pest who can score some goals, mix it up a bit, and lift the team. As long as he stays away from the stupid and lazy penalties, and works hard like he did in the first half rather than being fancy like he tried to be in the second half (after the YSG) he can be an asset to the team. It's always nice to have those guys who can pin the other team down for 40 seconds and get you a goal every once in a while.

I have a question for my fellow Devils fans. Can anyone tell me why Carkie is on this team? Last season he did nothing but skate around and try to go behind the net and score.

First and foremost That was his rookie season!

Second, skate around???? He had 183 PIM's---He was 8th in the entire league in PIM's and didn't take a lot of stupid ones.

He scored 9 goals as a rookie from the 4th line, provided a physical element and has been becoming a decent hockey player....Randy McKay in the making watch and see.


That is more output than 2/3 of this team from a Rookie on the 4th line!

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I'm not trying to upset anyone but i was just stating what I saw from watching the games. Just an opinion. I would like to see him do a little more than just his pattened behind the net move, which I guarantee wont be so successful this year.

I'm not trying to upset anyone but i was just stating what I saw from watching the games. Just an opinion. I would like to see him do a little more than just his pattened behind the net move, which I guarantee wont be so successful this year.

I'm with you, he's a good kid. I like him. But I do think he has a lot of potential yet to be shown.

Right now he's a Yay. He's cheap, hits, fights and is a general pest. :yo:

He's a good 3rd/4th liner, he has more than one move though, don't forget his little toe-drag shot he does just about every time.

He's got decent puck handling skills for a grunt but he really needs to work on his skating ability, he spends more time on his ass on the ice than Sean Avery does in a tanning booth.

Clarkson is a young guy with a lot of toughness and seems to be a great team player, like any young guy there's a lot of work needed on him but he's been developing well thus far, he should only get better in the future.

If we're lucky, he becomes a McKay type player. He's tough, which is why most fans like him. He's cheap, too. This will be a big year for him. If he can chip in 15 goals, 20 assists... then he'll be worth it. I admit, I originally had higher hopes for him.

Our team doesn't have too many fighters. I know Clarkson cut his fighting down a lot, which I like to think is his way of being 'smart'.

He's cheap for now, and on the 4th line. He's young and can definitely improve. He is a more talented, less physical Janssen.

Good points indeed. I was wondering what everyone else was thinking about him. I forgot about his toe drag. needs to work on his accuracy.

Give him a chance to develop another season will tell a lot.

Clarkson from the first half of the season was great. Played gritty, went to the net hard, knew his physicality was making him effective. Second half of the season he ignored his linemates, played less physical, and was trying the toe drag all the time instead of being a bull towards the net.

The Clarkson of the first half is a really nice 3rd/4th line addition to the team. The Clarkson of the second half should be worried he might get beat out for his roster spot during camp. Hopefully we'll see the first half Clarkson in camp because that player is a big help.

As a rangers fan, I hate Clarkson's guts (he was usually the main guys getting in scuffles with Rangers players). That being said, I hope he stays with the Devils for a long time, because his style of play suits the rivalry-atmosphere...and I want to hate the devils players, that's the whole point!

Anyway, from what I've seen of Clarkson (which is much less that what you guys have seen), I definitely agree that he has the potential to be a Randy McKay type player...I could see him put home 20 goals on a fairly consistent basis. He definitely had a very solid rookie campaign, and I only expect him to get better.

I think his spot on the 4th line RW is set in stone. Sutter seems to love the kid. I think Rupp/Vrana will share time on the LW spot on the 4th line, and maybe if Fedorov can play well, we will have a legit fourth line.

Last year i just saw that Zajac-Brylin-Asham line as a complete waste line. We had a Scoring line (barely :sarcasm:), a Checking line, a 4th line, and then a waste line. We didnt have a second line IMO.

Now we can finally have the offensive depth needed to roll 4 lines, and have confidence in all of them to do something good out there.

Clarkson from the first half of the season was great. Played gritty, went to the net hard, knew his physicality was making him effective. Second half of the season he ignored his linemates, played less physical, and was trying the toe drag all the time instead of being a bull towards the net.

The Clarkson of the first half is a really nice 3rd/4th line addition to the team. The Clarkson of the second half should be worried he might get beat out for his roster spot during camp. Hopefully we'll see the first half Clarkson in camp because that player is a big help.

Doesn't that really sum up about 80% of the rookies that play in this league? Inconsistant, flashes, invisible for long periods.

Progression in the first 3 years is the most important thing.

Look at this way.....Clarkson has played 88 games so far and has scored 12 goals and 14 asisst for 26 points.

Parise scored 32 points in his first season with New Jersey (2005-06 NJ 81 14 18 32 ) ;) :sarcasm:

To be fair, Parise was a 1st round draft pick.

Clarkson wasnt drafted.

To be fair, Parise was a 1st round draft pick.

Clarkson wasnt drafted.

Yes that's why the " :sarcasm: "

But Parise in his rookie season showed every bit of inconsistancy, mistakes, invisibleness (is that a word?) as Clarkeson did last year .

Now lets get this straight, I am not comparing Clarkson to Parise- I am just saying all Rookies go through a progression and there are certain inconsistancies that have to be "lived with" by us as fans.

Sorry bout that, i didnt see the :sarcasm:. My bad.

invisibleness (is that a word?)

invisibility

invisibility

I like invisibleness better :)

I can only wonder what the acquisition of Holik will do to help this kids playing style....I kinda thought this was a case where Holik will be brought in to Mentor the kid.

I can only wonder what the acquisition of Holik will do to help this kids playing style....I kinda thought this was a case where Holik will be brought in to Mentor the kid.

I don't know, but that will be one scary line.

He needs to learn more than that one move but he has shown good signs for a young kid and good grit and tenacity.

Actually he's got two, the deke thing he does at the blueline and the wraparound. How every team in the league doesn't know this yet amazes me. He still pulls it off more often than he fails.

As tiresome as his behind the net wraparound attempts were, they were strangely effective. He adds physicality and enthusiasm and actually does have some skill...he's just usually too slow to use it. He owned Wozniewski in that Toronto game--not saying much, but he showed that he actually has decent hands throughout the season.

It's not saying much. Everyone owns Woz.. My grandmother using one of those ice walkers could deke around him.

Actually he's got two, the deke thing he does at the blueline and the wraparound. How every team in the league doesn't know this yet amazes me. He still pulls it off more often than he fails.



It's not saying much. Everyone owns Woz.. My grandmother using one of those ice walkers could deke around him.

Isn't that the Wrap-E-Do?

I don't know, but that will be one scary line.
Gotta be the slowest line in the league, no matter who else is on it.

His toe drag is All Star-esque.
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As a rangers fan, I hate Clarkson's guts (he was usually the main guys getting in scuffles with Rangers players). That being said, I hope he stays with the Devils for a long time, because his style of play suits the rivalry-atmosphere...and I want to hate the devils players, that's the whole point!

Anyway, from what I've seen of Clarkson (which is much less that what you guys have seen), I definitely agree that he has the potential to be a Randy McKay type player...I could see him put home 20 goals on a fairly consistent basis. He definitely had a very solid rookie campaign, and I only expect him to get better.

Well I wouldn't go that far but he will be a staple on the 3rd line for a while IMO. He's got decent hands, but a not so decent shot and he needs to work on his skating. He might never be a burner but a lot of times last season it seemed like he was a little unbalanced on the ice. Not bad for an undrafted rookie though.

Well I wouldn't go that far but he will be a staple on the 3rd line for a while IMO. He's got decent hands, but a not so decent shot and he needs to work on his skating. He might never be a burner but a lot of times last season it seemed like he was a little unbalanced on the ice. Not bad for an undrafted rookie though.

You obviously know better than I do, but I could see him being a 20-20-40 guy for a few years in a row.

He could be a Mckay-type, but Randy not only brought toughness and scoring but also great intangibles. The kid has a big heart and was undrafted, give him time. Of course his offensive up and downs where augmented on a team that couldn't score, but he did what Asham couldn't do consistently. If he played on a team that scored 250g, or heck was at least in the middle of the league in scoring, I honestly think people would be on his case as much.

Clarkson brings size, physical play and attitude. Will drop the gloves and has a good shot and can dangle a bit. He's still young and needs more experience as well as working on his balance and passing skills. I'm glad we have him.

I would like to see Clarkie improve his skating a tad, but he had a very good rookie season.
He gets under the skin of the opposition and its fans.
Rags fans sing "Kelly Clarkson" at MSG when he's on the ice. They notice him enough at their making an impact.

I would like to see Clarkie improve his skating a tad, but he had a very good rookie season.
He gets under the skin of the opposition and its fans.
Rags fans sing "Kelly Clarkson" at MSG when he's on the ice. They notice him enough at their making an impact.

"Haha, are you kidding? We aren't acknowledging Clarkson because he's making an impact (which he isn't), we're mocking him for being the career minor leaguer that he is. He, and any other Devils prospect or up-and-comer pales in comparison to any of our prospects, no matter what the facts prove or what you say."

"Haha, are you kidding? We aren't acknowledging Clarkson because he's making an impact (which he isn't), we're mocking him for being the career minor leaguer that he is. He, and any other Devils prospect or up-and-comer pales in comparison to any of our prospects, no matter what the facts prove or what you say."

:biglaugh:

"Haha, are you kidding? We aren't acknowledging Clarkson because he's making an impact (which he isn't), we're mocking him for being the career minor leaguer that he is. He, and any other Devils prospect or up-and-comer pales in comparison to any of our prospects, no matter what the facts prove or what you say."

All Hail Cherepanov!:bow:


















:sarcasm:

In a recent interview with Cherepanov, he said that once jagr went to Omsk, the thought of going to the nhl was lost in his mind. Hopefully he makes the right choice and stays in the KHL. :D

I would post a link but i dont feel like going to the rangers board and looking for it.

EDIT: heres the link. http://ordinaryleastsquare.typepad.com/blueshirtbulletin/

I like Clarkson, and I hope that he can turn into a good 4th liner. Hopefully he'll get his skates sharpened sometime this summer, or maybe work on his skating/balance, because he was falling all the time, which obviously makes him less effective as a checker. Rather than having him "learn new moves" beyond the toe-drag, I'd like to see him stop trying to dangle people and more frequently do what he's effective at, dumping and crashing.


Things he already has:
-tenacity
-willingness to fight (although it seemed like he was fighting less in the second half of the season... just me?)
-courage to take punishment
-a funny wraparound that at least creates chances from behind the net (better than a lot of 3rd/4th line players who will always give the puck away trying to throw it in front)
-lots of checks that chip away at the other team throughout the game

The things that he needs to work on to claim a "long-term" spot:
-skating
-playing within his own element
-offensive positioning in front of the net
-get mentally quicker (will come with time, hopefully) both offensively and defensively


Since we got rid of Asham, it seems that Clarkson pretty much has a spot in the lineup by default. Playing with Holik should be good for him, regardless of who's on the other wing.

For those who want to break down clarkson's game to X's and O's... you're wasting your time. On paper his value is nominal, but the point is he's a good kid that was given a shot and appreciates it and has the fire in his belly to get better and succeed - all with a smile on his face. He is greater than the sum of his parts and very much a Lou-type of player. Think a young Ken Daneyko if you want a comparison...

"Haha, are you kidding? We aren't acknowledging Clarkson because he's making an impact (which he isn't), we're mocking him for being the career minor leaguer that he is. He, and any other Devils prospect or up-and-comer pales in comparison to any of our prospects, no matter what the facts prove or what you say."

Career minor leaguer? He made the NHL at the age of 23. I believe you meant to say Hugh Jessen (Career Minor Leaguer).

Career minor leaguer? He made the NHL at the age of 23. I believe you meant to say Hugh Jessen (Career Minor Leaguer).

Its Hugh Jessiman, and i think he was kidding. :laugh: Oh well, no worries.

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Its Hugh Jessiman, and i think he was kidding. :laugh: Oh well, no worries.

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Thank you for the correction, but he's one player that I'm sure many have or wish they can forget is name. ;)

Thank you for the correction, but he's one player that I'm sure many have or wish they can forget is name. ;)

:laugh: I see what your saying. Oh well, we wont be seeing his name on any NHL jersey anytime soon, so we dont have to worry about that. He's like the Barry Tallackson of the NYR.

:laugh: I see what your saying. Oh well, we wont be seeing his name on any NHL jersey anytime soon, so we dont have to worry about that. He's like the Barry Tallackson of the NYR.

Except Tallackson wasn't drafted 12th overall and before players like Getzlaf, Parise, Richards, Perry...

Which is why i think its funny that they are comparable. :laugh:

Career minor leaguer? He made the NHL at the age of 23. I believe you meant to say Hugh Jessen (Career Minor Leaguer).

:facepalm:Buddy, I'm a Devils fan. I was kidding.

In a recent interview with Cherepanov, he said that once jagr went to Omsk, the thought of going to the nhl was lost in his mind. Hopefully he makes the right choice and stays in the KHL. :D

I would post a link but i dont feel like going to the rangers board and looking for it.

EDIT: heres the link. http://ordinaryleastsquare.typepad.com/blueshirtbulletin/

That is priceless. Another draft blunder by the Rangers if that happens.

"But the fact that he has so much potential completely outweighs the risk of him staying in Russia. Even though we'll never see Cherepanov in the NHL, I'm still happy with that risk taken by Sather."

:facepalm:Buddy, I'm a Devils fan. I was kidding.

Dont worry i already got your back on that one lol.

Its Hugh Jessiman, and i think he was kidding. :laugh: Oh well, no worries.

http://i33.tinypic.com/24az8z7.jpg

:facepalm:Buddy, I'm a Devils fan. I was kidding.

I'm not your buddy Friend.

I'm not your buddy Friend.

I'm not you're friend, guy.

I'm not your guy, buddy.


Not this again...:laugh:

For those who want to break down clarkson's game to X's and O's... you're wasting your time. On paper his value is nominal, but the point is he's a good kid that was given a shot and appreciates it and has the fire in his belly to get better and succeed - all with a smile on his face. He is greater than the sum of his parts and very much a Lou-type of player. Think a young Ken Daneyko if you want a comparison...

Well put:handclap:

I'm not your guy, buddy.


Not this again...:laugh:

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