More moves needed.....trade Oduya

While the team as currently constituted is better than last years, it is in no way a Stanley Cup contender. Lou needs to be creative in some trades to inject some real talent and a bit of youth on this team. He had his chance when Gomez obviously was not going to re-sign with us and we certainly were not a cup contender. He could have traded him for a king's ransom. In my mind, the player that can get us the most in return right now is Oduya (don't laugh). With the price of two way defensemen extremely high and his very low salary, we would likely get a lot in return. We may be critical of Oduya, but he is considered a very good two way defenseman around the league. After this season (assuming plays as well as last season) he will be looking at a $4+ million contract. Now is the time to trade him (as the centerpiece of a large trade) and dramatically change the makeup of this team. The Rangers just got a steal in a trade, so why can't Lou?

Trading Oduya does nothing to give us cap space to bring in a replacement. That would make the team worse as they would be giving up one of the few quality defensemen they have.

And to say we weren't a cup contender at the trade deadline in 2007 is a joke. They were just a couple points back of Buffalo for first overall in the league at that point. Sure things fell apart afterwards but that doesn't change where the Devils were at that time.

Oduya might be the biggest bargain on this team. Plus, we need to keep all of the quality defensemen that we can possibly hold on to. Trading Oduya just opens up another top 4 hole.

Trading Oduya does nothing to give us cap space to bring in a replacement. That would make the team worse.

I agree, that is why he needs to be the centerpiece of a larger deal with some higher priced players (i.e., Gionta and VV).

And to say we weren't a cup contender at the trade deadline in 2007 is a joke. They were just a couple points back of Buffalo for first overall in the league at that point. Sure things fell apart afterwards but that doesn't change where the Devils were at that time.

I was screaming to trade Gomez that year as we may have had a lot of points, but we were a very flawed team. We were near first for much of last year but did you really believe that we were a contender? My point is this team is not a contender now and more needs to be done. For those who think we can trade VV and Gionta and upgrade the team, that will not happen as no other teams value these players. You need to give something up to get something good.

This team needs quality d-men - Oduya is one right now. This team needs good contracts - Oduya has one right now.

Yeah..let's trade Oduya ($600,000) and bring in a guy who makes $4,000,000 but who is equally good. Our salary cap becomes so much better.

Do the math!

This is a terrible Idea. trade our only other dman that has some semblance of offensive skills. Fantastic!

:badidea:

too many of these floating around.

Yeah let's trade one of the best bargains in the league and a guy who has been improving every year.

Is it just me, or is this not first the first time, that this "idea" has been brought up? Whats with the Oduya hate? He really improved in the last season and was a legit Nr.2 defender during the end of the season. And I can see him sign an extension next year for cheap.

So.....yeah, trade him. Right....

Is it just me, or is this not first the first time, that this "idea" has been brought up? Whats with the Oduya hate? He really improved in the last season and was a legit Nr.2 defender during the end of the season. And I can see him sign an extension next year for cheap.

So.....yeah, trade him. Right....

Oduya is NOT a legit #2 defender. He improved drastically, but I would not go so far as to call him that.

He's still a semi-legit 5-6 guy with room to improve. Unless you're just talking about on our absolutely horrendous defensive corps, in which case I could agree. haha

No, No, No. Pens need more grit..Vishnevski and Gionta for Ryan Whitney...probably will never happen within the division...Oduya? No way he gets traded. Rolston and Holik should help alot...you know how many more games we could of won if we didn't get shutout 11 times?

Oduya is NOT a legit #2 defender. He improved drastically, but I would not go so far as to call him that.

He's still a semi-legit 5-6 guy with room to improve. Unless you're just talking about on our absolutely horrendous defensive corps, in which case I could agree. haha

He's easily a second pairing guy. A guy in the top 10 of +/- isn't a bottom pairing guy.

He still has some work to do, but he improved tremendously this year. I think our defense right now has too many 5/6/7 guys - Vish, Greene, Brookbank, Mottau. I don't think Oduya is in the catergory with them.

He's easily a second pairing guy. A guy in the top 10 of +/- isn't a bottom pairing guy.

He still has some work to do, but he improved tremendously this year. I think our defense right now has too many 5/6/7 guys - Vish, Greene, Brookbank, Mottau. I don't think Oduya is in the catergory with them.

I'm still keeping him with those guys in my book (which is all any of our perceptions of it is for the most part, at this stage) because I feel like he's still prone to errors the same as they are and the guy is completely bi-polar.

He starts his career in NJ being a very solid guy on the back end who impressed many of us, then near the end of the rookie campaign the guy fell apart at the seams. He continued that path to destruction for the entire first half of the season to an even higher degree, then all of a sudden put the stuffing back inside himself and sewed it back up to close out the season quite well.

I think it's kind of hard to grade a guy that goes from a B- to an F then continues to fail only to go back to being a B- borderline B player. If you average it out, it still makes him a D. haha.

You have no idea how the cap works. Trading Oduya makes no sense, even in a package. Oduya/Vish/Gionta would get us $6.5 million or so in cap, which is all we could trade for. But if that contract were to be more than one year, it would put additional pressure on. Oduya is cheap and even in his next contract, he should still be somewhat of a value.

Just to continue, an ideal short term trade that both teams might take would be Gionta (maybe+ picks/non NHL) for Enstrom. Enstrom is cheap and is valuable, but Atlanta has cap issues. By making this trade, we would get an additional young offensive defenseman AND clear $3 million in cap space. Atlanta would get an additional offensive player for this season and gain $3 million in cap space, without picking up a roster spot, which they desperately need.

I'm still keeping him with those guys in my book (which is all any of our perceptions of it is for the most part, at this stage) because I feel like he's still prone to errors the same as they are and the guy is completely bi-polar.

He starts his career in NJ being a very solid guy on the back end who impressed many of us, then near the end of the rookie campaign the guy fell apart at the seams. He continued that path to destruction for the entire first half of the season to an even higher degree, then all of a sudden put the stuffing back inside himself and sewed it back up to close out the season quite well.

I think it's kind of hard to grade a guy that goes from a B- to an F then continues to fail only to go back to being a B- borderline B player. If you average it out, it still makes him a D. haha.

I guess it's all of what your perception tells you. I was really impressed by him last year, and contrary to what some people believe on here, he actually wasn't too bad when P-Mart was hit with 5-game injury bug in the beginning of May.

A quick look at his stats during that time:
MTL - L 2-1 - 20:09 ice time
@TOR - W 4-1 - 1 assist, +1, 15:52 ice time
TB - W 2-1 - +1, 21:37 ice time
@TOR - W 2-1 - 19:18 ice time
@ MTL - L 4-0 - (-)1, 17:35 ice time

I mean so overall, it's a small sample size, but it's not like he did poorly in those games. He held his own in these games for the most part.

He does owe a lot of his success to Martin, but I think that all pairings are made because of each other. While Martin had an excellent year this year and made a clear step up, he's not the kind of guy who can handle the whole load. Oduya surely helped him in that catergory.

I'm expecting him to continue with his progress next season.

i really hate to admit it, but oduya at times appears to be our best puck moving dman. hes got a decent shot, great wheels and the moves to make it work. he doesnt always have it together and will prolly yet again be a scapegoat. but hes improved alot and i actually wouldnt wanna see him traded. trading oduya....gulp.....would be a step backward.

I do not have a problem with Oduya. As a matter of fact the 1st half of last year while he was playing bad wasnt anywhere near how bad he was playing the 2nd half of the year before.

I dont however think he is the best puck moving D-Man on this team i still think thats Martin. The way i look at it is, Lou looked at what he has already in his system and what was around to sign. We got shut out 11 times last year 11 TIMES! So he looked and saw that we have no help at the forward Pos. the only young guys we have are Bergfors and Vrana. Bergfors i think will make this team and Vrana is a guy who is projected to be out next Sarge so not much offense there. But then u look at the D. With Martin and Oduya here already and Corrente, Salmela(if he is any good?), and Eckford there is more of a chance on of them catches and then we have our Puck mover.

I think when the dust settles Corrente and Bergfors are going to make this team. I also think Corrente is going to be on the 2nd PP unit hes right handed and from what i understand has a very good shot, hits like a truck also i hear. Bergfors needs come in and have a really good camp and then a good first month, if not he is going to have confidence issues i think.

Oduya is NOT a legit #2 defender. He improved drastically, but I would not go so far as to call him that.

He's still a semi-legit 5-6 guy with room to improve. Unless you're just talking about on our absolutely horrendous defensive corps, in which case I could agree. haha

Sorry mate, I rarely disagree with you, but no.

Oduya is at least a second pairing guy, who might one day evolve into a make-shift 1st pairing guy.

He has great wheels, is hard to knock off the puck and can make really good passes. Defenders dont really find their niche till they around 28 years old. By that time, I think Johnny will be a solid 2nd pairing 2way defenseman.

Heck, there were times this season I wanted Oduya on the ice for 25 minutes game, and he was fantastic when Martin had his injury stretch.

Sorry mate, I rarely disagree with you, but no.

Oduya is at least a second pairing guy, who might one day evolve into a make-shift 1st pairing guy.

He has great wheels, is hard to knock off the puck and can make really good passes. Defenders dont really find their niche till they around 28 years old. By that time, I think Johnny will be a solid 2nd pairing 2way defenseman.

Heck, there were times this season I wanted Oduya on the ice for 25 minutes game, and he was fantastic when Martin had his injury stretch.

see my second post about it and you'll see where I'm coming from. :D

You don't have to agree, but it's rationalized.

i think we should keep oduya i think i will only get better with age.. As for a trade i would think dealing zubrus might be a good idea

He was decent when Martin went down.

Oduya is a good player and I agree with you saying he's a second pair dman but no way in hell do i ever see him as a top pair guy. He's not great at anything he's just solid all around. He doesn't possess the offensive talent to warrant it nor is he good enough physically or defensively to be top pair player. He'll forever be a top four guy which is fine by me cause you need guys like him to round out a defense.

Sorry mate, I rarely disagree with you, but no.

Oduya is at least a second pairing guy, who might one day evolve into a make-shift 1st pairing guy.

He has great wheels, is hard to knock off the puck and can make really good passes. Defenders dont really find their niche till they around 28 years old. By that time, I think Johnny will be a solid 2nd pairing 2way defenseman.

Heck, there were times this season I wanted Oduya on the ice for 25 minutes game, and he was fantastic when Martin had his injury stretch.

Johnny still has to improve in his own end. I'd also like to see him do more of this:

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Thats why I said by the time he is 28, when dmen usually hit their max.

Trading him really wouldnt solve anything, so this thread is redundant.

Thats why I said by the time he is 28, when dmen usually hit their max.

Trading him really wouldnt solve anything, so this thread is redundant.

Absolutely. I actually don't want to trade him, I do see his upside as being worth it. Plus I don't even think he's really tradeable. But I also just wouldn't go and call him a legit #2 just yet considering his bi-polar play.

But here's to Oduya improving and being an asset to this team, a cheap one at that. :cheers:

Absolutely. I actually don't want to trade him, I do see his upside as being worth it. Plus I don't even think he's really tradeable. But I also just wouldn't go and call him a legit #2 just yet considering his bi-polar play.

But here's to Oduya improving and being an asset to this team, a cheap one at that. :cheers:

Im looking forward to another season of improvement from Johnny. He's a solid top 4 dman right now, hes raw just like any 26 year old.

But yes, hes a great asset to have. Gotta love that filthy cheap contract.

Am I not allowed to talk negatively about Don Wadell? I notice alot of my posts that slander the Thrashers are disappearing. :)

EDIT: Never mind, they're somewhere else. But my discussion with Britdevil about Boyle went missing.

Im looking forward to another season of improvement from Johnny. He's a solid top 4 dman right now, hes raw just like any 26 year old.

But yes, hes a great asset to have. Gotta love that filthy cheap contract.

i agree, and i never thought i would.

Am I not allowed to talk negatively about Don Wadell? I notice alot of my posts that slander the Thrashers are disappearing. :)

EDIT: Never mind, they're somewhere else. But my discussion with Britdevil about Boyle went missing.

I deleted the thread. A certain poster came in and started tearing it up.

Swift action from a reformed poster. ;)

i agree, and i never thought i would.

Now we just need Salmela to hit his potential, and were golden. :yo:

I deleted the thread. A certain poster came in and started tearing it up.

Swift action from a reformed poster. ;)

Didn't even know you could do that. Now, I do.

Didn't even know you could do that. Now, I do.

Obviously only thread that you start, I just didnt want a Devs v Rags crapfest in a genuine discussion thread.

Now we just need Salmela to hit his potential, and were golden. :yo:

dam straight sir:handclap:

Oduya is NOT a legit #2 defender. He improved drastically, but I would not go so far as to call him that.

He's still a semi-legit 5-6 guy with room to improve. Unless you're just talking about on our absolutely horrendous defensive corps, in which case I could agree. haha

Oduya is a #2 defender on ordinary, defensively challenged teams that depend far too much on goaltending to cover up mistakes made by defenseman and are not legitmate threats to go deep in the postseason and compete for a Stanley Cup.

That actually describes the New Jersey Devils. :sarcasm:

Johnny Oduya plays his heart out for this team, but sorry, he has done nothing of significance and has made and continues to make far too many mistakes to be legitmately considered as a #2 defender.

It's just that our defense is so bad that someone as ordinary as Johnny Oduya could be looked upon as being a #2.

That's no saying much.

Oduya stays

I think clubseats hates Swedish people.

Oduya stays

Enough said, moving on...

see my second post about it and you'll see where I'm coming from. :D

You don't have to agree, but it's rationalized.

Brit is a very "look at them now" Kind of guy. He doesn't care what they did in the past, he only cares about the present. That may work sometimes but you have to look at the whole picture. Is Oduya 2nd pairing? He certainly has a potential to be. But if he showed a little more consistency we would believe so. We'll have to wait and see how he does this season.

Same with all the other scrubs we have.

Enough said, moving on...

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Brit is a very "look at them now" Kind of guy. He doesn't care what they did in the past, he only cares about the present. That may work sometimes but you have to look at the whole picture. Is Oduya 2nd pairing? He certainly has a potential to be. But if he showed a little more consistency we would believe so. We'll have to wait and see how he does this season.

Same with all the other scrubs we have.

Ideally I would want Johnny in a 3rd pairing role.

I think your completely missing my point.

Greene, Mottau, Vish, Brookbank are all bottom pairing defenders right now, heck maybe even 7th dman.

You dont have to agree with me, but your hard-on for unspectacular crap really is worrisome.

And of course I am interested in the present, were essentially at breaking point. This is the year to shoot for the moon.

i really hate to admit it, but oduya at times appears to be our best puck moving dman. hes got a decent shot, great wheels and the moves to make it work. he doesnt always have it together and will prolly yet again be a scapegoat. but hes improved alot and i actually wouldnt wanna see him traded. trading oduya....gulp.....would be a step backward.

why do you hate to admit it? Oduya has really improved...are you biased against him for some reason?

why do you hate to admit it? Oduya has really improved...are you biased against him for some reason?

He's Scandinavian, but not Finnish:sarcasm:

dam straight sir:handclap:

And Salmela is Finnish.:naughty:

If an offensive-minded d-man is what we're after, why not sign Mara? As long as we can live with his lack of defensive play, he should easily become one of our best puck-moving d-men quickly.
Probably wouldn't cost too much either.

I think clubseats hates Swedish people.

Everyone is misinterpreting what I said. First, I do not hate Swedish people. Second, I think Oduya is good and is our only realistic trade chip that we could use to dramatically improve this team. We are not trading Zach or Martin and nobody wants Gionta, Zajac, VV or White (who has a NTC). This team is not good enough to win a cup and needs more upgrades. I understand Oduya only makes $600K and that is why he needs to be packaged with higher priced players that teams would otherwise not want. We have very few prospects or other trade chips, so if not Oduya, who can we possibly trade that would improve this team?

Everyone is misinterpreting what I said. First, I do not hate Swedish people. Second, I think Oduya is good and is our only realistic trade chip that we could use to dramatically improve this team. We are not trading Zach or Martin and nobody wants Gionta, Zajac, VV or White (who has a NTC). This team is not good enough to win a cup and needs more upgrades. I understand Oduya only makes $600K and that is why he needs to be packaged with higher priced players that teams would otherwise not want. We have very few prospects or other trade chips, so if not Oduya, who can we possibly trade that would improve this team?

Were right up against the cap, and Oduya has the most cap friendly contract on the squad. Trading him makes zero sense.

You mentioned yourself that you dont want to trade Martin or Parise (I dont think many of us do) and nobody wants Gio, VV, White or Zajac. So im not really sure who you think we should trade?

Unless of course you want to trade Elias, Madden, Langs or Zubrus, seeing as they have the larger contracts.

I'm just not sure that your thinking this through.

why do you hate to admit it? Oduya has really improved...are you biased against him for some reason?

because throughout the year i think only 3 people actually felt he was a good player. he was falling down, making dumb plays and just ****ing up. then hed have a spat of 5 games where hed turn it on and wed be impressed....only to see him regress yet again. however towards the end of the year, he stepped it up and kept it somewhat consistent. with more work, he can be a pretty decent top 4 dman i feel. but hes still got work to do and i hope to see him improve.

He's Scandinavian, but not Finnish:sarcasm:

my finnish friends tought me the way of proper contempt for the swedes and the russians:laugh:. its all good fun tho, i got nothing but love for the swedes. after all, without them, wed have no tasty meatballs:D.

And Salmela is Finnish.:naughty:

....and if he makes the team i can finally have a devils jersey with a finn on it. :help:

Everyone is misinterpreting what I said. First, I do not hate Swedish people. Second, I think Oduya is good and is our only realistic trade chip that we could use to dramatically improve this team. We are not trading Zach or Martin and nobody wants Gionta, Zajac, VV or White (who has a NTC). This team is not good enough to win a cup and needs more upgrades. I understand Oduya only makes $600K and that is why he needs to be packaged with higher priced players that teams would otherwise not want. We have very few prospects or other trade chips, so if not Oduya, who can we possibly trade that would improve this team?

haha dont write too much into it, weeonta was just busting ur balls.:D

Oduya stays

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bad idea....

He lead the team in +/- last season +27 while being the second leading definsive scorer. Everyone is right his defensive play is terrible :shakehead

I have an idea, keep Oduya and let's trade Vish!

:laugh:

:merge threads:

He lead the team in +/- last season +27 while being the second leading definsive scorer. Everyone is right his defensive play is terrible :shakehead

Dont worry about that, it's just a few mis-guided redknecks.

Blaq-attack FTW!

my finnish friends tought me the way of proper contempt for the swedes and the russians:laugh:. its all good fun tho, i got nothing but love for the swedes. after all, without them, wed have no tasty meatballs:D.

....and if he makes the team i can finally have a devils jersey with a finn on it. :help:

Ok:thumbu: Was in Norway for awhile a few years back and my friends were telling about all the historical rivalry up there. It can get pretty intense:amazed:

Would take Oduya more seriously if he got rid of that goon number 29. Give him a lower number Lou!

Would take Oduya more seriously if he got rid of that goon number 29. Give him a lower number Lou!

Uhhh...What?

Would take Oduya more seriously if he got rid of that goon number 29. Give him a lower number Lou!

That's what kept making him slip and fall, the number is too heavy. All D-men should wear single digits only. Remember that Niedahayer or whoever that guy was:sarcasm: