For those who didnt get my post yesterday....

I slept onit, and to be honest at first last night it was shock to see"yourkinda friends people you talk to everyday especially when many have told me I am a very knowledge person about the spot. First let me say English is my second lang.(I also consider myself to be an expert as I do work for the NHL as strength, conditioning and positioning consultant, and know many in the buss and sevils offices) it was long winded but there were so SO many things I wanted to say and the paragraph break-down was to just help the ideas become sperated for those who couldn't follow. I even apologized at the end for that reason so without getting excited here are my compressed thoughts:

Our extreme depth and my wanting to get a Boyle or Jay-Bo
Although most didnt agree with my post yesterday I understand the allure of boyle and that was more or less was what i was getting at with all the pieces we have......him or Jay-Bo. At this Point I would hope it is BO they go after he is younger more physical more of the Neids/Stevens mold rolled into one plus Boyles 6.66 salary.....I think a packageof Gio, Oduaya and a pick or prospect I really do not think Zajac is necessary!

I think the most shocking was with the sp and grammer when english is my second language and me calling for Greene to stay over Oduya. I aint mad cha(for t-pac fans out there) either when in essence its the same thing. How much more formidable would our line-up be. WOW:amazed::amazed::amazed::amazed:

With such adynamic offensfe built now would be the time for a trade for a puck moving D-man:
This is whats going to happen the D would be so more dynamic with a trade for a real puck moving d-man besides PMartin(oduya mattau and greene showed flashes but nothing greatbecause to much was put on their shoulders.....ODUYA is not the answer I know yesterday most were calling for my head when I suggested he be waived or sent down but there is so much more Johnny needs to learn and I think this isn't the place for him to do so. I think being a 5th man with less pressure like the playoffs against the Bolts, Andy can learn on the fly. And as for Vish he is the ideal 6th man with one mission to destroy, I have a feelim we will be getting a few more leads and since whites injury you need 2 guys out there to bang bodies : SAL AND VISH ill take whatever colin can do as a bonus. Most also jabbed at the thought of Smith but him rotated with Vish they could feed off each other, jason being older body breaking downwhile VV needs to learn when and where they would learn much like COLIN AND DANO(or sutton uggggghh) when your our d is built the way it is a =nother bonafide puckmoving D-man this makes sense from my profession hockey conditioning and positioning.

Last but not least some posters who I say may not know much about the game because of y feelimgs of Bergfors and Vrana not automatically automatically belonging on the 1st or 2nd line
Like their predocessors and great names and faces have strolled through(many we should have not let go) had to gettheir start somewhere. They may be a Loophole that a guy like Gomer or back in the day Muller jumped to the first line but others had to put their dues in. The Devils are a system, and for a system to work rules need to folllowed. Like many that came before them even for afew games started on the 3rd and fourth lines, which at the time and like now which Lou I think has donw a great job blurrring lines so there are no real titles. itslike having that great girl (or for the ladies guy) that needs no title but everything wlse is great if you know what I mean:naughty: Guys like Guering, Rolston, Morrison,Sullivan,Elias, Sykora,(these guys came on after the 95 cup it was hard breaking that line0up)GIO&BRYLIN(who had to do what I think is similair to what Vrana is goin to do),Todd,Danton,Clarkson, McCauley,Maddn(4th)&Beglung/Bicek(busts i know) EVEN Kozlov who has more talent in his left toe played on the 4th(well different story for different day just added for giggles VK over Frisen:shakehead)

anyways I hope this clears some things up.....ill say it again were all devil fans were a brothergood dont poke fun cause for me this place is my escape I really try never to poke fun at anyone except Jon of course!

I didn't see your post yesterday. I agree with you. Theres no reason why we can't move Oduya for someone like Boumeester.

He's gotten better, but he has yet shown consistency. If Oduya stays he's gonna have to work hard.

Btw, English is my second language as well. Your English really sucks. If you cannot properly communicate what it is that you are trying to say, you're going to have problems convincing anymore of your ideas.

Just had a random thought of non-sense just because i love the man yes you can love a man.....lets sign Jeff Freisen for Lowell? Ok, kidding, maybe but is he still playing in Europe?

Just had a random thought of non-sense just because i love the man yes you can love a man.....lets sign Jeff Freisen for Lowell? Ok, kidding, maybe but is he still playing in Europe?

Now I know you are crazy. The guy is washed up. Leave it alone.

I'm not really sure what Oduya has to do to prove to some people on these boards that he is a top 4 defenseman.

Greene literally sucks, its not his fault. We just completely overrated him at the end of 2006-2007. Having said that I am willing to give him another shot.

The real confusing thing about what your trying to say FnI, is that you think Bergfors and Vrana should earn their spots, yet Lou has allready said on multiple occasions that they need 1st-2nd line minutes. They are not bottom line players...

Lastly, I lol'd again.

I'm not really sure what Oduya has to do to prove to some people on these boards that he is a top 4 defenseman.

Greene literally sucks, its not his fault. We just completely overrated him at the end of 2006-2007. Having said that I am willing to give him another shot.

The real confusing thing about what your trying to say FnI, is that you think Bergfors and Vrana should earn their spots, yet Lou has allready said on multiple occasions that they need 1st-2nd line minutes. They are not bottom line players...

Lastly, I lol'd again.

Come on, I've seen even you criticize Oduya at some point last year. Greene needs work as well, but if people can give him the chances that Oduya already has had, he would probably work out. I've seen flashes of brilliance from Greene and Oduya both, they are both inconsistent but I don't think Oduya is much better than Greene. I think they have the same potential and will both work as #3-4 D-men on this team.

The difference I see is that Oduya is more emotional and will hit more. Where Greene is more intellectual and think about what he's going to do. Greene has a better on-ice vision than Oduya does but Oduya can hit better and is harder to push off the puck.

If we can somehow combine the two we'll have a super D-man.

Come on, I've seen even you criticize Oduya at some point last year. Greene needs work as well, but if people can give him the chances that Oduya already has had, he would probably work out. I've seen flashes of brilliance from Greene and Oduya both, they are both inconsistent but I don't think Oduya is much better than Greene. I think they have the same potential and will both work as #3-4 D-men on this team.

Sure, like I said I am willing to give Greene a shot. In 2009-2010.

If one of the two is being sent to Lowell, you can bet your bottom dollar its Andy. Personal opinions aside, Brent loves Johnny.

Sure, like I said I am willing to give Greene a shot. In 2009-2010.

If one of the two is being sent to Lowell, you can bet your bottom dollar its Andy. Personal opinions aside, Brent loves Johnny.

I know he does, which is why I think Greene is getting the short end of the stick here. He's not suited to play the style that Brent wants him to. I think Greene is in ways alot like Lidstrom. If he could be traded to Detroit I bet he'll become a #1 D-man under Lidstrom's wing.

I know he does, which is why I think Greene is getting the short end of the stick here. He's not suited to play the style that Brent wants him to. I think Greene is in ways alot like Lidstrom. If he could be traded to Detroit I bet he'll become a #1 D-man under Lidstrom's wing.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let him re-fine his game in Lowell, they should have a pretty damn good team with him down there. Defenders only get better with age.

Now I know you are crazy. The guy is washed up. Leave it alone.

swear it was a joke, maybe mural at the rock of his mug:yo:

Maybe, maybe not.

Let him re-fine his game in Lowell, they should have a pretty damn good team with him down there. Defenders only get better with age.

Brit i see your point i think though greene can and will be better given the shot wihout the pressure....ALOT was put on him last year to early, I thought it was a funny statement(apperently me and 2 other people,joke again) that he had to wear a cape under his jersey to go out there and prtend he was a number 2 when Colin was out.

I wish we could hear the commentary from the first games when they were saying he has to be relied on as a number 2.....to me the choice is easy keep Andy(it keeps CJ happy) and I really think this year he will be the better player between he and Oduya....but you are entitled to your opinion and Lou is the one to make the final one.

Sure, like I said I am willing to give Greene a shot. In 2009-2010.

If one of the two is being sent to Lowell, you can bet your bottom dollar its Andy. Personal opinions aside, Brent loves Johnny.

this is true and MM and brookbank i just think if pull atrade the dynamics is what i do is just better with set up i had in yesterdays post.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let him re-fine his game in Lowell, they should have a pretty damn good team with him down there. Defenders only get better with age.

Brit, Enough with this Greene to Lowell... HE CAN'T GO DOWN!!!! He took a pay cut last year and signed a two year one way contract for like 600K. Meaning he has to clear waivers to go down to Lowell... As much as many people think he needs refining, A ton of teams will jump all over that low contract with his potential.

Brit, Enough with this Greene to Lowell... HE CAN'T GO DOWN!!!! He took a pay cut last year and signed a two year one way contract for like 600K. Meaning he has to clear waivers to go down to Lowell... As much as many people think he needs refining, A ton of teams will jump all over that low contract with his potential.

thats all ive been trying to say thank you. I think brit is one of the best posters on here i call them as a i see it and am fair but you can tell he is stuborn. to me message boards are opinions and thats it, id rather kep greene than oduya thats nothing more or less.

Brit, Enough with this Greene to Lowell... HE CAN'T GO DOWN!!!! He took a pay cut last year and signed a two year one way contract for like 600K. Meaning he has to clear waivers to go down to Lowell... As much as many people think he needs refining, A ton of teams will jump all over that low contract with his potential.

So be it, unless he is traded we arent getting rid of him any other way.

I'm of sick AHL scrubs on the roster. Mottau and Brookbank can both have the same fate too.

Brit, Enough with this Greene to Lowell... HE CAN'T GO DOWN!!!! He took a pay cut last year and signed a two year one way contract for like 600K. Meaning he has to clear waivers to go down to Lowell... As much as many people think he needs refining, A ton of teams will jump all over that low contract with his potential.

Can't he be sent down before the season starts because waivers aren't in affect?

Can't he be sent down before the season starts because waivers aren't in affect?

yes he can. This is why I said that it would all depend on Training camp. If Greene is good in camp and makes the team, theres no way they would send him down. Its true he may get traded, but I don't see him rotting in Lowell.

He is also not as bad as Brit makes him out to be. At times last season he was much better than either Brookbank, Rachunek, Mottau and Oduya. It was more towards the end of the season that his play started to go bad. I blame that more on his inability to adjust to the way Sutter wants him to play. It does look like he is trying and if he works hard this summer I'm sure we'll see a better Greene on the ice.

I also think it had alot to do with who Greene was partnered with. He did just as well with Martin as Oduya did when they were together. He also worked fine with White. He just doesn't work as well with any of the other guys especially Vishnevski.

that may be possible, but if he were, he'd have to stay down all season. He would have to go through re-entry waivers or something if they tried to bring him up... I am sure someone knows better than me. I just know for a fact he will not be sent down during the season.\

Edit: thanks Moon.

Just to throw something in...This Salmela kid apparently has some wheels, who knows? I know most of us, including me don't know much about him (I think we all learned our lesson last year when we put all our eggs in the Viuhkola basket), but who knows. Maybe he throws his hat in the ring in the O-Dman department.

Now in no way is that me saying we don't need anymore help, but I'm going to ride my optimism train all the way to Sept.;)

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Hop on:devdance:

Amazing post Semak. :laugh:

Amazing post Semak. :laugh:

I aim to please:)

btw, Greene is not a stay at home defenseman, he's supposed to be our offensive puck mover. The problem is Sutter had him playing with guys that go out of position and so Andy had to defend instead of attack. I think Andy has only two gears, defend or attack, I don't think he can adjust to both. When he is in attack mode he can get down deep into the offensive zone to create some scoring chances. I think we need to utilize him more for that. That means we need a partner for him that can really defend our zone by himself. until Andy gets back into position again.

btw, Greene is not a stay at home defenseman, he's supposed to be our offensive puck mover. The problem is Sutter had him playing with guys that go out of position and so Andy had to defend instead of attack. I think Andy has only two gears, defend or attack, I don't think he can adjust to both. When he is in attack mode he can get down deep into the offensive zone to create some scoring chances. I think we need to utilize him more for that. That means we need a partner for him that can really defend our zone by himself. until Andy gets back into position again.

Good point:thumbu:

Just to throw something in...This Salmela kid apparently has some wheels, who knows? I know most of us, including me don't know much about him (I think we all learned our lesson last year when we put all our eggs in the Viuhkola basket), but who knows. Maybe he throws his hat in the ring in the O-Dman department.

Now in no way is that me saying we don't need anymore help, but I'm going to ride my optimism train all the way to Sept.;)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/ppcccaps/parvarish13.jpg

Hop on:devdance:


So true its hilarious :laugh::laugh:

Just to throw something in...This Salmela kid apparently has some wheels, who knows? I know most of us, including me don't know much about him (I think we all learned our lesson last year when we put all our eggs in the Viuhkola basket), but who knows. Maybe he throws his hat in the ring in the O-Dman department.

Now in no way is that me saying we don't need anymore help, but I'm going to ride my optimism train all the way to Sept.;)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/ppcccaps/parvarish13.jpg

Hop on:devdance:

Aren't those trains more like this?

http://mumbaiinsomniac.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/train1.jpg

Just to throw something in...This Salmela kid apparently has some wheels, who knows? I know most of us, including me don't know much about him (I think we all learned our lesson last year when we put all our eggs in the Viuhkola basket), but who knows. Maybe he throws his hat in the ring in the O-Dman department.

Now in no way is that me saying we don't need anymore help, but I'm going to ride my optimism train all the way to Sept.;)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/ppcccaps/parvarish13.jpg

Hop on:devdance:

If the Salmela(why do I keep wanting to say Salmonella?) kid works out, then maybe he will edge out Greene in camp because they will pretty much have the same roles. I really highly doubt it though unless he has a really really good camp. More likely he will go to Lowell.

Aren't those trains more like this?

http://mumbaiinsomniac.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/train1.jpg

Well,they don't start that way, it made a few stops. Besides, this one is first class only:m-cool:

If the Salmela(why do I keep wanting to say Salmonella?) kid works out, then maybe he will edge out Greene in camp because they will pretty much have the same roles. I really highly doubt it though unless he has a really really good camp. More likely he will go to Lowell.

Makes sense. Just be nice to have a young, O able D-man from within. Eckford? Who knows?

So be it, unless he is traded we arent getting rid of him any other way.

I'm of sick AHL scrubs on the roster. Mottau and Brookbank can both have the same fate too.

Hey Brit, at least we can agree on this I say the Devil's brass just drop them of in he middle of the city. I got money saying they'll never show up again. I never wanna see those guys on the ice again unlesswe are playing against them. Its mean they certainly did try but "THERS NO POINT WINNING IF YOU CANT WIN BIG"

If the Salmela(why do I keep wanting to say Salmonella?) kid works out, then maybe he will edge out Greene in camp because they will pretty much have the same roles. I really highly doubt it though unless he has a really really good camp. More likely he will go to Lowell.

Well maybe, cause Salmela is rated a 79 in NHL 08 and that's pretty good for a defensemen in that game. :D

Well maybe, cause Salmela is rated a 79 in NHL 08 and that's pretty good for a defensemen in that game. :D

I like your style. Isn't that how we all rate players?:sarcasm:

Well maybe, cause Salmela is rated a 79 in NHL 08 and that's pretty good for a defensemen in that game. :D

And Vishnevski is an 81...

:doh:

And Vishnevski is an 81...

:doh:

Parise was only and 82 or 83 (I can't remeber I immediately changed it)

So true its hilarious :laugh::laugh:

....he was injured. the man has talent, but theres def no room now.

....he was injured. the man has talent, but theres def no room now.

Wasn't a knock on him, more of how we've been quiet on Salmela. Last year everyone had JV in the line up, so far it's been more of a "wait and see" with Sal2.0.

Wasn't a knock on him, more of how we've been quiet on Salmela. Last year everyone had JV in the line up, so far it's been more of a "wait and see" with Sal2.0.

yea im trying to not get my hopes up on him too high.

yea im trying to not get my hopes up on him too high.

But if he did, that would fill your "Fin" quota and it be :xcheers: for everybody.

And Vishnevski is an 81...

:doh:

Yes, but that is because he has a 1000 in hitting strength. Unfortunately he has a 10 in Defensive awareness :sarcasm:

Wasn't a knock on him, more of how we've been quiet on Salmela. Last year everyone had JV in the line up, so far it's been more of a "wait and see" with Sal2.0.

...And it´s really a good thing. Like many others Salmela has plenty of upside, but he isn´t a new Lidström, so he´s going to need some time to adjust and first of all he needs to work really hard. In Finland he could make the team by going with the flow thanks to his talent, but it´s going to be one tough wake up call if he doesn´t work his arse off to make himself heard.

At least I don´t expect him to make the jump right away. One year in Lowell learning from the pros could do some good for him longterm.

And this talk of Viuhkola makes me sad. So much natural talent and hockey intelligence that never was to be showcased in the NHL.

...And it´s really a good thing. Like many others Salmela has plenty of upside, but he isn´t a new Lidström, so he´s going to need some time to adjust and first of all he needs to work really hard. In Finland he could make the team by going with the flow thanks to his talent, but it´s going to be one tough wake up call if he doesn´t work his arse off to make himself heard.

At least I don´t expect him to make the jump right away. One year in Lowell learning from the pros could do some good for him longterm.

And this talk of Viuhkola makes me sad. So much natural talent and hockey intelligence that never was to be showcased in the NHL.

Yeah Viuhkola got a bad rap. He got injured and wasn't able to make it. I don't think he lacked the talent just was unlucky.

Hey I was on the JV wagon, wish it had worked out. But good words on Salmela Dali, and great avatar:handclap:

Hey I was on the JV wagon, wish it had worked out.

Yea, it was really a shame that he didn´t get a shot. He propably won´t be returning to NA anymore since he has a contract with Kärpät and after that he´s turning 30.