Who do we trade?

Gionta is the likely candidate. And our need is D. I really would have tried to grab Zidlicky from Nashville but he was already traded. Bieksa would be nice.

Also, D as a weakness is being over talked about. We dont need Brooks Orpik, we have White and Salvador. We could use a puck mover to compliment Martiin and Oduya, but we really addressed offense today by signing Rolston, and Holik will give us depth on the 4th line. The PP QB we needed is gonna be Rolston. The only issue is we have too much quantity and not enough quality.

Martin-Oduya
White-??
Salvador-??

We really have no use for Vish. I dont want Mottau with White in the top 4 again, but Id like him as a 6-7. Brookbank shouldnt touch the ice this year. And I dont really trust Corrente, Greene, or Salmela to crack the top 4 with White (they should batte for the last spot on the third pairing).

What we have to do, if we dont make a trade, is add Salvador AND White both to the top 4 since no one else on the team should be in that role. Unfortunately, they cant be paired together so wed be forced to split up Martin and Oduya which would suck because that pair worked for us. So, if no trade, then Id prefer (barring a standout performance from someone):

Martin-White
Sal-Oduya

white has a no trade clause

White is not going anywhere.

I'm hoping Corrente makes the team out of camp. That leaves us with one open spot on the blueline.

Tradeable:

Gionta- Our top tradeable asset and the one we would get the most value for.
Clarkson- I am in the minority here but he is a dime a dozen player. there are Clarkson's everywhere and I hate the way he skates. I would include him in a package
Bergfors- I actualy think if it meant getting a Top 3 D Man we could dangle with him with the draft pick of Tedenby and up and coming guys like Vrana
Tallackso- Not woth much if anything. Would be a throw in
Greene- If the price is right
Vishnevski- I would include him in a throw in


A combo of Gionta and one of these guys could land us a more then solid D Man

Everyone else at this point unless it is a deal that is unrefusable is considered not tradeable.

An easy list:

Bergfors
Vrada
Greene
Vish
Zajac

Look for a middle of the road teams needing depth, who two decent players & they just might take that trade.

Example: Chicago

Those five players for Patrick Sharp & Brent Seabrook.

I think a trade like that is possible.

Why not trade Mottau, Brookbank and Greene instead of Vishnevski? It would clear up the same amount of cap space, and leave room for someone else on defense.

Why not trade Mottau, Brookbank and Greene instead of Vishnevski? It would clear up the same amount of cap space, and leave room for someone else on defense.

I'd do that, you're an astute individual.

Why not trade Mottau, Brookbank and Greene instead of Vishnevski? It would clear up the same amount of cap space, and leave room for someone else on defense.
Because we're already assuming some of them are going to be in Lowell anyway. Vish's is the big contract.

1. Martin
2. Oduya
3. White
4. Salvador
5. (Corrente)
6. Mottau, Vish, Brookbank, Greene
7. Mottau, Vish, Brookbank, Greene

Why not trade Mottau, Brookbank and Greene instead of Vishnevski? It would clear up the same amount of cap space, and leave room for someone else on defense.
Makes sense, but come trade deadline, Lou is just going to replace them anyway. We alwyas get a couple of 6,7,8 D.

OF BErgfors at Forward and Corrente on D which one of the 2 has the best chance to make the team?

I am thinking Bergfors. Corrente might get a season in the A.


White, Martin, Salvador, Oduya are set in stone.

Gionta. I'd hang onto Zajac. Perhaps having veterans like Rolston and Holik will take some pressure off him.

OF BErgfors at Forward and Corrente on D which one of the 2 has the best chance to make the team?

I am thinking Bergfors. Corrente might get a season in the A.


White, Martin, Salvador, Oduya are set in stone.
I think both can and should make the team out of camp.

Tradeable:

Clarkson- I am in the minority here but he is a dime a dozen player. there are Clarkson's everywhere and I hate the way he skates. I would include him in a package



The point of making a trade is to aquire a top 4 D-man. So if Clarkson is a dime a dozen player(which he is not) why would any other team give up value for him. If we were to get some value for him the player returning would bring back cap space which is something Clarkson does not have. Therefore we would be over the cap. Trading Clarkson makes absolutley no sense. The only way it does is if he's packaged with Gionta or another player of value. But we need guys like Clarkson because they're not dime a dozen players. He's our next Randy Mckay. Was a rookie last year and was one of the only guys that brought it every night and was also willing to fight any guy willing. In short, trading Clarkson would cause me to have a brain aneurysm. The guy has more potential that people think.

Why not trade Mottau, Brookbank and Greene instead of Vishnevski? It would clear up the same amount of cap space, and leave room for someone else on defense.

Why would Lou sign Mottau and Brookbank only two weeks ago only to trade him now? I don't think Lou needs any more 5-7th round draft picks (if he could even get that).

The point of making a trade is to aquire a top 4 D-man. So if Clarkson is a dime a dozen player(which he is not) why would any other team give up value for him. If we were to get some value for him the player returning would bring back cap space which is something Clarkson does not have. Therefore we would be over the cap. Trading Clarkson makes absolutley no sense. The only way it does is if he's packaged with Gionta or another player of value. But we need guys like Clarkson because they're not dime a dozen players. He's our next Randy Mckay. Was a rookie last year and was one of the only guys that brought it every night and was also willing to fight any guy willing. In short, trading Clarkson would cause me to have a brain aneurysm. The guy has more potential that people think.

I was talking about Clarkson as part of a package that includes Gionta. And even if he is a dime a dozen player he does provide grit and spark that teams might look for.

And in his first full season he did not impress me like McKay did.

Clarkson- I am in the minority here but he is a dime a dozen player. there are Clarkson's everywhere and I hate the way he skates. I would include him in a package


Don't worry, you're not the only one here who doesn't have orgasms over the incredibly overrated David Clarkson.

I'm kind of glad you came right out and did the unpopular thing and called him out. As one of our supposed tough guys, he showed his true colors in that he was clearly afraid of that little NYR 15-goal per year scoring pipsqueak, who went unchallanged and was allowed to dictate our horrible season series and disaster of a playoff matchup against the NYR.

We could live without David Clarkson, but the problem is, so can 29 other NHL teams. He really offers no value other than being a throw in as part of some deal.

Don't worry, you're not the only one here who doesn't have orgasms over the incredibly overrated David Clarkson.

I'm kind of glad you came right out and did the unpopular thing and called him out. As one of our supposed tough guys, he showed his true colors in that he was clearly afraid of that little pipsqueak ,15-goal scorer NYR scorer who caused us so much trouble in the playoffs.

We could live without David Clarkson, but the problem is, so can 29 other NHL teams. He really offers no value other than being a throw in as part of some deal.

Aren't you the guy who always says the Devils need grit. Now you wanna trade a rookie who has potential and provides exactley what you always thnik we need. Or are you agreeing with him just for the sake of diasagreeing with me?

Don't worry, you're not the only one here who doesn't have orgasms over the incredibly overrated David Clarkson.

I'm kind of glad you came right out and did the unpopular thing and called him out. As one of our supposed tough guys, he showed his true colors in that he was clearly afraid of that little NYR 15-goal per year scoring pipsqueak, who went unchallanged and was allowed to dictate our horrible season series and disaster of a playoff matchup against the NYR.

We could live without David Clarkson, but the problem is, so can 29 other NHL teams. He really offers no value other than being a throw in as part of some deal.

I don't think he's overrated, especially around here, but whatever. I wouldn't mind parting ways with him either but I'd much rather shelve a dman for someone like Corrente.

And at this rate, I'd rather have Sarge on a 4th line or even a 3rd than Clarkson.

Aren't you the guy who always says the Devils need grit. Now you wanna trade a rookie who has potential and provides exactley what you always thnik we need. Or are you agreeing with him just for the sake of diasagreeing with me?


Case in point. Gee, that was fast.

I'm not sold on David Clarkson's grit, but apparently you are.

Good for you.

Case in point. Gee, that was fast.

I'm not sold on David Clarkson's grit, but apparently you are.

Good for you.

You must think you're better than me since I like Clarkson and you don't.

Don't worry, you're not the only one here who doesn't have orgasms over the incredibly overrated David Clarkson.

I'm kind of glad you came right out and did the unpopular thing and called him out. As one of our supposed tough guys, he showed his true colors in that he was clearly afraid of that little NYR 15-goal per year scoring pipsqueak, who went unchallanged and was allowed to dictate our horrible season series and disaster of a playoff matchup against the NYR.

We could live without David Clarkson, but the problem is, so can 29 other NHL teams. He really offers no value other than being a throw in as part of some deal.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EoytsAY5bvA

I don't think he's overrated, especially around here, but whatever. I wouldn't mind parting ways with him either but I'd much rather shelve a dman for someone like Corrente.

And at this rate, I'd rather have Sarge on a 4th line or even a 3rd than Clarkson.

I just do not see anything special in his game. Rupp is not afraid to fight anyone and was also one of the few forwards who played with any heart against the Rangers in the 1st Round.

The Devils will live without David Clarkson. IF we could get a bonified top pairing defense man for Gionta and Clarkson are you telling me you would be hesitant?

Gionta Vrana Vish are our best moveable assets imo.

he showed his true colors in that he was clearly afraid of that little NYR 15-goal per year scoring pipsqueak, who went unchallanged and was allowed to dictate our horrible season series and disaster of a playoff matchup against the NYR.



I can't believe I missed this glib piece of literature. What would Clarkson have done, honestly? Avery would have never fought him. He would have turtled. Then Clarkson would have put us on a PK while we were down by a goal like we were the whole ****nig series. Cool maybe we could have gotten swept instead of actually winning again. I mean who cares about winning when we can have clarkson assault Avery and had 25 minute penalty to kill. There was nothing and I mean nothing we could do besides lay Avery out witha nice clean body check. Scott Stevens is gone an Dion is up for a trade. Thank god Avery is gone so will never have to hear about our fans whine about what he did or didn't do.

I just do not see anything special in his game. Rupp is not afraid to fight anyone and was also one of the few forwards who played with any heart against the Rangers in the 1st Round.

The Devils will live without David Clarkson. IF we could get a bonified top pairing defense man for Gionta and Clarkson are you telling me you would be hesitant?

He's a rookie let the kid develop. I sure as hell didn't see anything special w. Parise his first year.

I don't think he's overrated, especially around here, but whatever. I wouldn't mind parting ways with him either but I'd much rather shelve a dman for someone like Corrente.

And at this rate, I'd rather have Sarge on a 4th line or even a 3rd than Clarkson.

If our 4th line is truly gonna be a crash line; Sarge can't be on it and as it's shaping up the 3rd is gonna be Pando-Madden-Zubrus/Langs depending on how they want to use Zubrus (he can even center the 2nd line; Rolston-Zubrus-Bergfors?)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EoytsAY5bvA

Anyone can fight at any given time and he clearly put no scare into that jerk's name that I won't dare to even type, but where was that same David Clarkson one month later when we needed him most?


I just do not see anything special in his game. Rupp is not afraid to fight anyone and was also one of the few forwards who played with any heart against the Rangers in the 1st Round.

The Devils will live without David Clarkson. IF we could get a bonified top pairing defense man for Gionta and Clarkson are you telling me you would be hesitant?

Clarkson was fine up to the All Star break and seems to have lost a tremendous edge thereafter. He clearly wasn't the same player and yes, we can live without him.

Why would Lou sign Mottau and Brookbank only two weeks ago only to trade him now? I don't think Lou needs any more 5-7th round draft picks (if he could even get that).

It's better then having to deal with the same crappy defense. And I really don't think he planned to keep them up all season anyway. It wouldn't really make sense, to me at least.

I just do not see anything special in his game. Rupp is not afraid to fight anyone and was also one of the few forwards who played with any heart against the Rangers in the 1st Round.

The Devils will live without David Clarkson. IF we could get a bonified top pairing defense man for Gionta and Clarkson are you telling me you would be hesitant?

Thy just re-signed him though. Guys who just signed probably aren't trade bait.

As for Mottau and Brookbank: Mottau will probably be kept as a 7th defensemen and Brookbank will probably be sent to Lowell.

Anyone can fight at any given time and he clearly put no scare into that jerk's name that I won't dare to even type, but where was that same David Clarkson one month later when we needed him most?

Clarkson was fine up to the All Star break and seems to have lost a tremendous edge thereafter. He clearly wasn't the same player and yes, we can live without him.

while i agree with u and sills views in a way. i do see his worth and i do also see how hes expendable. however, when ur asking about where he was during the playoffs, my question is more of where were the rest of the devs and their leaders. i wasnt expecting clarkson to take control of the tempo and dictate what lines avery can/cant cross. i just didnt see any of the other devs doing anything about it either except letting him go about his ******* business. anyone of the devs shouldve taken exception and knocked his teeth out, not just clarkson. like i said, i agree with both of u, but i wouldve really liked to have seen more from the rest of the team. there was just no fight in them collectively.

while i agree with u and sills views in a way. i do see his worth and i do also see how hes expendable. however, when ur asking about where he was during the playoffs, my question is more of where were the rest of the devs and their leaders. i wasnt expecting clarkson to take control of the tempo and dictate what lines avery can/cant cross. i just didnt see any of the other devs doing anything about it either except letting him go about his ******* business. anyone of the devs shouldve taken exception and knocked his teeth out, not just clarkson. like i said, i agree with both of u, but i wouldve really liked to have seen more from the rest of the team. there was just no fight in them collectively.

I agree with you to a point, but I would expect David Clarkson and not Patrik Elias, Brian Gionta or Zach Parise to step up and retaliate in some sort of way. Even Dainius Zubrus stepped up and hit everyone, not to mention that feel-good spray stop in Lundqvist's face.

But the toughness from players like Aaron Asham and David Clarkson was seriously questioned in the playoffs. This subject has already been discussed many times over and I'm sure part of the reason for signing Holik today was to at least bring a semblance of that toughness back, especially when it matter the most in the playoffs.

But at least Clarkson has the excuse of being a young, inexperienced rookie.

But back to initial point of bringing him up in the first place (before my new stalker arrived), he certainly should be expendable in being part of any deal at bringing us back something better in return.

Unfortunately however, some people are infautuated with David Clarkson and scoff about any notion of trading him whatsover, as if we are a last place Phoenix Coyotes team with low expectations and cheap ticket prices, that has the time and luxury of allowing all of our rookies to develop.