Devils sign Holik? Yes, they do.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/07/01/holik_devils/

I'm in absolute shock.

2.5 seems too much to me, but I'll take it, we need some depth at C.

If true, great deal for Holik. Now, who the heck plays defense?

guess it adds some grit for the bottom 6........imo a trade is before opening night to clear some space, possibly a forward and dman packaged for another dman.

2.5 seems too much to me, but I'll take it, we need some depth at C.

For one year, no biggie!

***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lous is pissed about losing to the rags bad this season

Add me in the shock department.

Wow. I love Lou right now.

It's Cup Time

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

Why?

The Band is back for a Reunion tour it seems

Why would it not be surprised if the next headline I see is the Devils sign Randy McKay. :sarcasm:

We still have ~$6M for a D-man, not to mention trades.

Methinks that Vrana, Vish, Bergfors & some others will be heading out in a trade.

You can't let Bergfors & Vrana rot away in Lowell. Therefore, you might as well put together a package & send them somewhere for somebody major.

Oh my God...

http://66.222.163.244:55555/b/facepalm.jpg

Brutal.

Mike Peluso and Randy McKay coming back for the reunion too?



LOL @ Vinnie above

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

WOW- hang on folks; this just screams Zajac + Gionta going for a D-man to me...

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

The market is sky high for defensemen right now. Roszival, 5 million? Our best bet is through acquistion.

I would've wanted Lou to put the money into some D but I guess it's pretty cool to have Holik back.

nooooooooooooo

Why would it not be surprised if the next headline I see is the Devils sign Randy McKay. :sarcasm:

:biglaugh: At this pace, I wouldn't be surprised!

BYE ZAJAC!!

rolston is now playing second line center

Holy crap... We're trying to win NOW

Here's my BIGGEST problem with this signing.

16 isn't available. What number does he wear? Maybe Zubrus gives 16 and takes another number?

Add me in the shock department.

Wow. I love Lou right now.

Same here BD, same here. :)

Im literally lol'ing.

Expect a trade boys and gals.

This puts us over the cap. Gotta move Gionta & Vish if we want a d-man. Seems steep, but if Tucker's getting nearly 2.5M, why not Holik?

$2.5 million?!!! whaaaaaat????

This puts us over the cap. Gotta move Gionta & Vish if we want a d-man. Seems steep, but if Tucker's getting nearly 2.5M, why not Holik?
No it doesn't... We've still got $2.5ish left of wiggle room.

$2.5 million?!!! whaaaaaat????
One year...

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

My thoughts exactly....

Holik makes the team better, no doubt, but we really need a puck-moving d-man more than anything.

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

trades....

best free agent day evar

I'm disgusted.

BYE ZAJAC!!

rolston is now playing second line center

Yep... :nod:

Odds on a Bouwmeester sign & trade? Anyone?

Zajac + Gio + 2nd pick next year; conditional the following? Frees up $5 mil on the cap to ink Bouw long term.

DO IT.

I'm assuming the inclusion of the young players salaries right now, and this is with 25 players (roster limit 23)...

LW Rolston 5.000
C Elias 6.000
RW Gionta 4.000
LW Parise 3.125
C Zajac 0.984
RW Langenbrunner 2.800
LW Pandolfo 2.500
C Madden 2.939
RW Zubrus 3.400
LW Vrana 0.850
C Rupp 0.500
RW Clarkson 0.838
F Pelley 0.600
F Bergfors 0.818
F Holik 2.500
D Martin 3.833
D White 3.000
D Vishnevski 1.800
D Salvador 2.900
D Corrente 0.850
D Oduya 0.600
D Mottau 0.763
D Greene 0.600
G Brodeur 5.200
G Weekes 0.688

TOTAL CAP 57.087

Here's my BIGGEST problem with this signing.

16 isn't available. What number does he wear? Maybe Zubrus gives 16 and takes another number?

im sure he could wear 19. that one will be available

My thoughts exactly....

Holik makes the team better, no doubt, but we really need a puck-moving d-man more than anything.

Anssi Salmela, next Brian Rafalski. :laugh:

I can't visualize Holik in any number but 16...

This? This is your biggest problem?

His voice with Steve Cangiolosi during an interview will be mine!

I'm assuming the inclusion of the young players salaries right now, and this is with 25 players (roster limit 23)...

LW Rolston 5.000
C Elias 6.000
RW Gionta 4.000
LW Parise 3.125
C Zajac 0.984
RW Langenbrunner 2.800
LW Pandolfo 2.500
C Madden 2.939
RW Zubrus 3.400
LW Vrana 0.850
C Rupp 0.500
RW Clarkson 0.838
F Pelley 0.600
F Bergfors 0.818
F Holik 2.500
D Martin 3.833
D White 3.000
D Vishnevski 1.800
D Salvador 2.900
D Corrente 0.850
D Oduya 0.600
D Mottau 0.763
D Greene 0.600
G Brodeur 5.200
G Weekes 0.688

TOTAL CAP 57.087
Take off Bergfors and Pelley, they shouldn't be there yet.

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

Hey Lou said we were in the hunt for a top 3 D Man. I trust what he says.

Yep... :nod:

Odds on a Bouwmeester sign & trade? Anyone?

Zajac + Gio + 2nd pick next year; conditional the following? Frees up $5 mil on the cap to ink Bouw long term.

DO IT.

pull the trigger

So would it be okay to still boo him whenever he touches the puck?

This? This is your biggest problem? :sarcasm: :laugh:
I can't visualize Holik in any number but 16...

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

The market for D right now is absurd.. Try and get help through a trade..

BYE ZAJAC!!

rolston is now playing second line center

That's just plain dumb. Rolston's better suited for the wing.

As you all know, I'm not the biggest Zajac supporter, but to get rid of him and replace him with a 35 year old isn't the smartest idea.

I'm disgusted.

Your get over it when Holik puts up goal totals our 4th line hasnt seen in 8 years. ;)

I hate this signing....what the heck do we need Holik at $2.5 million for??! geeeeez..

I'm disgusted.

yeah this is going to set us back for years.

I can't visualize Holik in any number but 16...

ok, zurbus 25, rolston 12, holik 16

Yep... :nod:

Odds on a Bouwmeester sign & trade? Anyone?

Zajac + Gio + 2nd pick next year; conditional the following? Frees up $5 mil on the cap to ink Bouw long term.

DO IT.

If it's possible to throw up from joy...... It would happen to me

I really think the Devils are going to trade a forward or two.

Parise - Elias - Langenbrunner
Zubrus - Zajac - Rolston
Pandolfo - Madden - Gionta
Rupp - Holik - Clarkson
Pelley

Is a deep forward unit, but Lou also said Bergfors, Vrana, and Tallackson will compete for spots. Where's the space?

Well, since we're getting the gang back together, are we going to trade for Niedermayer?

ok, zurbus 25, rolston 12, holik 16
I could go for that.

Well, since we're getting the gang back together, are we going to trade for Niedermayer?
I could go for that too.

I hate this signing....what the heck do we need Holik at $2.5 million for??! geeeeez..

Well, Lou figured he made most of us happy by signing Rolston, so he needed to do something to piss us off.

yeah this is going to set us back for years.

Well, at worst this would set us back 1 year. That's the length of the contract.

Plus, I haven't seen it on TSN yet. I'll believe it then.

Sportsnet will always be the network that hired Dwayne Klessel.

BYE ZAJAC!!

rolston is now playing second line center

Which would equate in him, Bergfors, Vrana & Green being a package somewhere.

:amazed:

Well, since we're getting the gang back together, are we going to trade for Niedermayer?

Hah, it's possible.

Gionta and Zajac might be trade bate now.

That's just plain dumb. Rolston's better suited for the wing.

As you all know, I'm not the biggest Zajac supporter, but to get rid of him and replace him with a 35 year old isn't the smartest idea.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I hate this signing....what the heck do we need Holik at $2.5 million for??! geeeeez..

Take draws, play PK and agitate the crap out of the other team.

I see it as our Dallas Drake signing. :handclap:

Well, since we're getting the gang back together, are we going to trade for Niedermayer?

Why not? Let's bring back every freaking ex-Devil a win a cup.;)

I really think the Devils are going to trade a forward or two.

Parise - Elias - Langenbrunner
Zubrus - Zajac - Rolston
Pandolfo - Madden - Gionta
Rupp - Holik - Clarkson
Pelley

Is a deep forward unit, but Lou also said Bergfors, Vrana, and Tallackson will compete for spots. Where's the space?
Somebody has got to be dealt for a defenseman. As good as our forwards might be we're not going anywhere with a defense that goes Martin - BLANK - Oduya - Salvador - White - Mottau.

Well, since we're getting the gang back together, are we going to trade for Niedermayer?

Don't forget Guerin and Morrison.

I hate this signing....what the heck do we need Holik at $2.5 million for??! geeeeez..

As someone on TG's page said, perhaps something like a line of Rupp - Holik - Zubrus, or Rupp - Holik - Clarkson, or anything involving Holik centering two of those three players.

Well, since we're getting the gang back together, are we going to trade for Niedermayer?

Marty was our oldest player last year, now he looks like he a pee wee, so yea why not. **** it lets get jason smith tooo

according to nhl numers, we spent 46.994 million spent now with holik we spent 49.494 million so we have about 7.2 million to spend. Personally i rather go get hainsey or Redden and will be in real shape next year and even better if we can trade gionta for a puck moving defenseman

I hate this signing....what the heck do we need Holik at $2.5 million for??! geeeeez..

Lou is trying to win NOW and it's only for 1 year.


If he sat back and didn't sign Rolston or Holik you would be asking for his head

I also don't think it's wise to assume we're dealing Zajac. Just because Lou has dangled him doesn't mean he's trade bait, especially when you consider that Rolston's best position isn't center.

Why not? Let's bring back every freaking ex-Devil a win a cup.;)

We're the new Colorado.

In my ultra awesome NHL '95 season, I have Holik with #16 and Zubrus with #28.

We're a bit closer to the cap than I'd prefer. I imagine trading Vishnevski for a pick might be something I'd pursue.

As someone on TG's page said, perhaps something like a line of Rupp - Holik - Zubrus, or Rupp - Holik - Clarkson, or anything involving Holik centering two of those three players.
Rupp - Holik - Zubrus would be by far the best fourth line in the NHL.

according to nhl numers, we spent 46.994 million spent now with holik we spent 49.494 million so we have about 7.2 million to spend. Personally i rather go get hainsey or Redden and will be in real shape next year and even better if we can trade gionta for a puck moving defenseman

nhlnumbers is wrong.

Everytime I refresh the page we've signed someone. I'll refresh in another 45 mins to an hour everyone ;)

Were hosting a Devs reunion in Newark this year.

So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?

Lou's got a plan for defense.

Devils sign Bruce Driver (e5)

I also don't think it's wise to assume we're dealing Zajac. Just because Lou has dangled him doesn't mean he's trade bait, especially when you consider that Rolston's best position isn't center.

Agreed. It'd be stupid to trade Zajac unless we got something really good coming back. I wouldn't be too confident with Rolston centering the 2nd line in years 3 and 4 of that contract.

Somebody has got to be dealt for a defenseman. As good as our forwards might be we're not going anywhere with a defense that goes Martin - BLANK - Oduya - Salvador - White - Mottau.
Some defensemen have to be dealt too, or Lou is planning on waiving some of them.

the REAL question is who is going to wear the "C"s and "A"s

rolston wore a C and and A with the wild, Holik wore the C last year and an "A" with us, Madden deserves atleast and A, Elias deserves and A, langs is odd man out

I also don't think it's wise to assume we're dealing Zajac. Just because Lou has dangled him doesn't mean he's trade bait, especially when you consider that Rolston's best position isn't center.

Don't forget how good Parise looked at Center after the playoffs...

the REAL question is who is going to wear the "C"s and "A"s

rolston wore a C and and A with the wild, Holik wore the C last year and an "A" with us, Madden deserves atleast and A, Elias deserves and A, langs is odd man out
Langenbrunner, Madden, Elias.

Well that one's a shocker. His name was always mentioned in rumors but man.. is he really getting that cash to play on the 4th line?

Looks like Corrente's getting his shot this year.

Rupp - Holik - Zubrus would be by far the best fourth line in the NHL.

Wow. I love it.

Don't forget how good Parise looked at Center after the playoffs...
Chances are we are going to do something about a defenseman, but it won't happen until after training camp and Sutter has a chance to decide what to do about all our forwards.

Lou's got a plan for defense.

Devils sign Bruce Driver (e5)
We'll bring Albelin back again.

the REAL question is who is going to wear the "C"s and "A"s

rolston wore a C and and A with the wild, Holik wore the C last year and an "A" with us, Madden deserves atleast and A, Elias deserves and A, langs is odd man out

Bouwmeester gets an A as our new foundation D-man. :naughty:

I'm so giddy from getting Rolston back.

WOW i think i just s*** in my pants:amazed:

I assume a trade is coming for a d-man. hopefully bouwmeester or meszjaros???

I also don't think it's wise to assume we're dealing Zajac. Just because Lou has dangled him doesn't mean he's trade bait, especially when you consider that Rolston's best position isn't center.

Zajac isnt going anywhere.

Tradebait: Bergfors, Gionta, Oduya, Greene, Vish and Brookbank. Not great, but good enough to land a puck mover, considering the moves that have been made the last few days.

I hate this signing....what the heck do we need Holik at $2.5 million for??! geeeeez..

The same reason they needed Claude in 2000. They're a bunch of wimpy lost souls and Bobby will call them out on it. (He's great at that as long as he doesn't have to call himself out.)

He can win faceoffs, he can play PP specialist. This move allows you to leave Elias at C and still have guys that can win faceoffs. You can put Elias and Holik out at the same time, in crucial situations, and not worry about Patty having to win the FO.
The one thing that kicked us in the balls on the PP is that we couldn't win faceoffs.
Patty can play center, but he can't go at a 40% clip. Now, he can play C without worrying about that.

Rupp - Holik - Zubrus would be by far the best fourth line in the NHL.
And the most expensive one too!

Lou has a plan...

He must have stocked up on extra Koolaid powder this summer

Two more signings and we can have the Crash line back.

Rupp - Holik - Clarkson is going to be one fun 4th line.

We need to move salary. Gotta think Gionta and Vishnevski are goners.

lol wheres' Friessen?

lol wheres' Friessen?
Last seen somewhere in SoCal...

Zajac isnt going anywhere.

Tradebait: Bergfors, Gionta, Oduya, Greene, Vish and Brookbank. Not great, but good enough to land a puck mover, considering the moves that have been made the last few days.

Hopefully. It just seems like signing Rolston and trading Gionta is fairly lateral, even though Rolston is the slightly better player. If we deal Gionta, I wouldn't mind adding a Nagy or Satan if they come cheap enough.

Apparently a lot of defensemen are available via trade. I think Lou stayed out of the UFA defenseman market because of the prices (Finger at $3.5M?!).

Vish has got to go at this point. Having him, White, and Salvador is way too redundant and expensive (almost $8M tied up in one-dimensional defensive defensemen).

I like Holik's face-off and defensive ability. I would like to see him center the 4th line and then move up to center the 2nd line late in games to help defend leads.



So I guess we're not upgrading the defense.

You know, the actual problem?The Devils were ranked 5th best in team defense at 2.35 GA/GP. On the opposite side of the ice, the Devils were 27th best, or 4th worst, in team offense with 2.42 GF/GP.

There is a lot more to the defensive side of things than just the defensemen.

I would have liked to have seen a quality offensive-defenseman join the team. Maybe the Devils can put a package together before training camp to address that need.

I'm not against signing Bobby Holik....I'm against signing him at $2.5 million! Holik is worth $1 million and not more!

its prett obvious that we are going to have 2 checking lines so that neither one of them tire each other out

I like Holik's face-off and defensive ability. I would like to see him center the 4th line and then move up to center the 2nd line late in games to help defend leads.



The Devils were ranked 5th best in team defense at 2.35 GA/GP. On the opposite side of the ice, the Devils were 27th best, or 4th worst, in team offense with 2.42 GF/GP.

There is a lot more to the defensive side of things than just the defensemen.

I would have liked to have seen a quality offensive-defenseman join the team. Maybe the Devils can put a package together before training camp to address that need.
The problem is not the defense in terms of actually playing defense. The problem is puck-movement from the blueline.

Awesome avatar Puddy!!

Barring trades, I was envisioning:

Elias-Rolston-Gionta (I guess Elias/Rolston could swap LW/C)
Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Zubrus
Rupp-Holik-Clarkson
Pelley/Vrana/Bergfors/etc

I suppose if Bergfors is ready to take a top 6 spot, you could slide Langenbrunner to the Madden line and then Zubrus to the crash line.

I'm not against signing Bobby Holik....I'm against signing him at $2.5 million! Holik is worth $1 million and not more!

Are you paying his salary? It's for one year and we're most likely not going to spend to the cap anyway.

its prett obvious that we are going to have 2 checking lines so that neither one of them tire each other out
Two checking lines with decent offensive skills, yeah.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr I always hated Holik and now I gotta deal with him agian. Y LOU Y ARE U PUNISHING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

who is next bobby carpenter tom chorski, broton and chambers

I'm not against signing Bobby Holik....I'm against signing him at $2.5 million! Holik is worth $1 million and not more!

For one year. No problems here.

Rupp - Holik - Clarkson is going to be one fun 4th line.

If Rupp can play like he did in the final quarter of the season, Holik plays inspired, and Clarkson keeps on keeping on; this could be Crash Line Version 2.0. They could be HELL on opponents due to their physical play and still somewhat threaten on offense.

I have to think here: Poor Zajac! Also, poor Pelley! The Devils now have 4 guys who could be the starting centers: Elias, Rolston, Madden, Holik. Not a young group, but if it works, it works. Maybe Elias gets moved back to left wing...

Two checking lines with decent offensive skills, yeah.

thats what im thinking

If Rupp can play like he did in the final quarter of the season, Holik plays inspired, and Clarkson keeps on keeping on; this could be Crash Line Version 2.0. They could be HELL on opponents due to their physical play and still somewhat threaten on offense.
As long as they shoot the puck, rebound goals will come.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr I always hated Holik and now I gotta deal with him agian. Y LOU Y ARE U PUNISHING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, why I missed you so much! I was surprised you weren't here to say your goodbyes to Sarge. :handclap:

Rolston and Holik > Gomez and Drury :sarcasm:

who is next bobby carpenter tom chorski, broton and chambers
I wouldn't mind Chambers.

I would think Gionta is on his way out. Bergfors could replace him and save us over $3 million. We could either trade him for a defenseman or trade him for picks/prospects and sign an ufa defenseman. Gionta for Bieksa? :nod:

who is next bobby carpenter tom chorski, broton and chambers

Little late on the joke aren't we? Talk about a waist :sarcasm:

Rolston and Holik > Gomez and Drury :sarcasm:
Rolston + Holik = $22.5M
Gomez + Drury = $83.75M

Hopefully. It just seems like signing Rolston and trading Gionta is fairly lateral, even though Rolston is the slightly better player. If we deal Gionta, I wouldn't mind adding a Nagy or Satan if they come cheap enough.

Apparently a lot of defensemen are available via trade. I think Lou stayed out of the UFA defenseman market because of the prices (Finger at $3.5M?!).

Vish has got to go at this point. Having him, White, and Salvador is way too redundant and expensive (almost $8M tied up in one-dimensional defensive defensemen).

Haha yea did u see Pierre McGuire on TSN he flipped out over the Finger signing.. I agree a couple guys on the backend are goners prolly Vish and Greene

Rolston + Holik = $22.5M
Gomez + Drury = $83.75M

:laugh:

Are you paying his salary? It's for one year and we're most likely not going to spend to the cap anyway.

No, but I want a d-man....

Rolston + Holik = $22.5M
Gomez + Drury = $83.75M
Talk about a bargain! :D

I'm flabbergasted.

Lou wants to win right this second.

I'm flabbergasted.

Lou wants to win right this second.
You're surprised by this?

I'm flabbergasted.

Lou wants to win right this second.
As well he should, Brodeur won't be around forever...

folks, debating Flyline88 is not a good idea. Just saying.

No, but I want a d-man....

At these prices, our best bet is a trade. The offseason's still young my friend.

I don't even know what to think right now. I have this nostalgia feeling and I just want this storm to calm down a bit. I am getting very excited for the season to begin...lets trade for Arnott, Sykora, and Neidermayer and we will be in business...:sarcasm:

Lets get Scotty Stevens back now!!!!

Oh, why I missed you so much! I was surprised you weren't here to say your goodbyes to Sarge. :handclap:

I have been really busy work wise and looking for a job so really don't have much time for forum. However, I also taking a break from it but I will be back in time for the season and with post here or there :). ......................OOOOOOOOOOO and I am not saying goodbye to sarge just yet because the season hasn't started yet. :D


Plus as u can tell I still have my ava/banner of sarge and it will stay there till he comes back :)

Poor Sarge.. Prob feels left out of the reunion

Lets get Scotty Stevens back now!!!!

Hell forget, that Let's bring back Tom Kurvers!

while lou is fixin up the sentimental aspect, i still have 2 gaping questions.
whos gonna be scoring from the point which was severly lacking?
whos gonna score from the offense which was even more severly lacking?
rolston, salvador and holik sure aint the catalysts.

OK...what about the numbers now? :)

Holik will probably get #16 back...
Rolston will wear #12.
Zubrus will switch to #10 I believe. I don't see Pelley on the team next year.

Ugh. I guess all I can hope for is that Holik goes -20 in the first ten games and gets sent to Lowell. I'd have rather NJ signed Jagr. At least I can understand why they'd do that.

Well we won't be horrible on faceoffs for once, but other than that, 2.5 million to play on the fourth line? Uh, rather not, at least its only for one year.

It was just on TSN. Now I believe it.

If we want a reunion, we should get Sheldon Souray. :sarcasm:

Am I the only one who is eagerly waiting to see Souray in a Devils uniform AGAIN?

while lou is fixin up the sentimental aspect, i still have 2 gaping questions.
whos gonna be scoring from the point which was severly lacking?
whos gonna score from the offense which was even more severly lacking?
rolston, salvador and holik sure aint the catalysts.

Is Hainsey still available?

Well we won't be horrible on faceoffs for once, but other than that, 2.5 million to play on the fourth line? Uh, rather not, at least its only for one year.

tucker is getting that too

If we want a reunion, we should get Sheldon Souray. :sarcasm:

Am I the only one who is eagerly waiting to see Souray in a Devils uniform AGAIN?

We had our chance last summer

while lou is fixin up the sentimental aspect, i still have 2 gaping questions.
whos gonna be scoring from the point which was severly lacking?
whos gonna score from the offense which was even more severly lacking?
rolston, salvador and holik sure aint the catalysts.

The Devils have definitely added some offensive depth up front.

Rolston - Elias - Langenbrunner
Parise - Zajac - Gionta
Vrana - Madden - Zubrus
Pandolfo - Holik - Clarkson

Is a well-balanced group of forwards definitely capable of scoring some goals.

Now we need a puck mover badly. Unless Lou is counting on one or more of Salmela, Corrente, and Eckford having a big impact?

Ugh. I guess all I can hope for is that Holik goes -20 in the first ten games and gets sent to Lowell. I'd have rather NJ signed Jagr. At least I can understand why they'd do that.

Even I would take jagr over Holik lol

i am in complete shock. we signed franken-brow. i have no idea what to make of this. let's just see how it plays out...

We had our chance last summer

Yeah but word is he wants out...

Devils are going old school.

Devils are going old school.
I'm still having Mogilny Malakhov flashbacks.

Ronnie Bass should like this sigining

Devils are going old school.

Bring Richer out of retirement!

Rolston + Richer on the point for the PP! Double barrel shotgun!

I'm not a huge fan of Holik's (never have been one), but if someone besides Madden can win face-offs this might be a good signing. At least it's only for 1 year...

Lou seems to have really been paying attention so far...

Yeah but word is he wants out...

His wife not a fan of Edm?

Carries a $5.4 price tag.. Hmmmm

I'm not a huge fan of Holik's (never have been one), but if someone besides Madden can win face-offs this might be a good signing. At least it's only for 1 year...

Lou seems to have really been paying attention so far...

CJ woke up from her alcohol induced slumber!

Bring Richer out of retirement!

Rolston + Richer on the point for the PP! Double barrel shotgun!

Don't forget John MacLean that would also solve the problem of him being an assistant coach.

His wife not a fan of Edm?

Carries a $5.4 price tag.. Hmmmm

Gionta lived in Rochester... it snows a lot there. I think he'll adjust nicely.

On with the reunion! :D

CJ woke up from her alcohol induced slumber!

LOL...I've been getting updates all day from one of my friends here....

And it hasn't been completely alcohol induced....:sarcasm:

I'm still having Mogilny Malakhov flashbacks.

that was way different, elias had hep, parise was a rookie, and it was our first season without nieds

moginly was asked to be our best forward and malahkov number 2 dman. thats not the case with these

Is Hainsey still available?

hope so
im all for signing him and näslund at this point. then trading gio for something. this day has made me crazy.

Someone should make a blues brothers avatar with Lou and Sutter.

hope so
im all for signing him and näslund at this point. then trading gio for something. this day has made me crazy.

We don't have cap room for all of that.

Someone should make a blues brothers avatar with Lou and Sutter.

Cue RG with a photoshop. Or he could just use the Blues Brothers one he made last year ;)

I don't know about anyone else, but this really screws up any chance at seeing Bergfors in a Devils jersey unless Gio gets traded sometime soon.

ronnie, what are your thoughts? i know you said you wanted us to trade for him last year

I don't know about anyone else, but this really screws up any chance at seeing Bergfors in a Devils jersey unless Gio gets traded sometime soon.

This actually pretty much guarantees we'll see Bergfors this year so we can stay under the cap. Gio's a goner.

I don't know about anyone else, but this really screws up any chance at seeing Bergfors in a Devils jersey unless Gio gets traded sometime soon.

What does Holik playing in the bottom 6 have to do with Bergfors playing in the top 6?

I'm still having Mogilny Malakhov flashbacks.
Rolston has only missed six games in as many seasons, he's incredibly fit and has never had injury problems. The same can definitely not be said about Mogilny and Malakhov.

I still can't believe we signed Holik. Solidifying the 4th line, along with rounding out the top six has definitely been a huge step in making a run for the cup next season. Now, time for a few trades to get that top 4 d, and we are in business!

Who is up for trade now? Gionta? Seems inevitable with our cap situation and all....

Other then the amount I love this deadl....I wanted Holik back the last two years. The guy will fit into our system like a glove on OJ and I have no doubts he will bounce back with 35 points. The guy is big mean, physical and drives the net. Not to mention he can shutdown anyone big when used in that role. Holik and Clarkson will make a smash line.

i am in complete shock. we signed franken-brow. i have no idea what to make of this. let's just see how it plays out...Just sit back and enjoy the interviews. He will be asked about a topic, and then he will start his robotic, flow-of-conscience style void of any attempt at humor or punctuation.

Cue RG with a photoshop. Or he could just use the Blues Brothers one he made last year ;)

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/vagel117/Devils/bluebros.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/vagel117/Devils/bluebros.jpg

That would be the one. I saved a copy somewhere but I couldnt find it.

Other then the amount I love this deadl....I wanted Holik back the last two years. The guy will fit into our system like a glove on OJ and I have no doubts he will bounce back with 35 points. The guy is big mean, physical and drives the net. Not to mention he can shutdown anyone big when used in that role. Holik and Clarkson will make a smash line.

You might want to rethink that metaphor. :D

Just sit back and enjoy the interviews. He will be asked about a topic, and then he will start his robotic, flow-of-conscience style void of any attempt at humor or punctuation.
Are you kidding? Holik is one of the best interviews in the game. He was always the only Devil willing to give good quotes.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/vagel117/Devils/bluebros.jpg

Good gravy...


I like both these signings because they both give us what we lacked last year...leadership.

Both these guys are playoff vets and I can't imagine either taking kindly to what happened in the first round.

That would be the one. I saved a copy somewhere but I couldnt find it.



You might want to rethink that metaphor. :D

Yea I just woke up...lol I guess that means it kind of fits.

WHY?!?!?!?!?!?? WWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Sorry, that was childish...BUT WHY!?!? What's next, Jason Smith? Brenden Shanahan? Trade Gionta for Petr Sykora?

On a serious note...Maybe Zajac centers the 1st line, Madden the 2nd, and Holik the 3rd? Why must we pay a man 2.5 mil to center our 4th line? Well we will have 4 pretty solid lines I'm thinking, but we still need to solidify our D and unless Lou has some trades up his sleeve...:shakehead...but then again...:sarcasm:

Your get over it when Holik puts up goal totals our 4th line hasnt seen in 8 years. ;)

really? He had 15 goals and 19 assists in 82 games last year.

Pandolfo had 12 goals and 12 assists in 54 games and would have worked out to 18 goals and assists in 82 games if he was not injured.

Yet people were down on re-signing Pandolfo at 2.5 mil but happy at Holik for the same amount?

WHY?!?!?!?!?!?? WWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Sorry, that was childish...BUT WHY!?!? What's next, Jason Smith? Brenden Shanahan? Trade Gionta for Petr Sykora?

On a serious note...Maybe Zajac centers the 1st line, Madden the 2nd, and Holik the 3rd? Why must we pay a man 2.5 mil to center our 4th line? Well we will have 4 pretty solid lines I'm thinking, but we still need to solidify our D and unless Lou has some trades up his sleeve...:shakehead...but then again...:sarcasm:

I think Zajac may be on his way out, with Elias centering the first line, Madden the 2nd and Holik the 3rd. We may well see Pando and Madden split up and Madden given a little more offensive freedom. Some package involving Zajac, Gionta and Vishnevski leaving for a d-man?

Parise - Elias - Bergfors
Rolston - Madden - Zubrus
Pandolfo - Holik - Langenbrunner
Rupp - Vrana - Clarkson.... whatever

Trade Gionta for Petr Sykora?

I would make this deal 7 days a week. Sykora is soft but this team is big now. Sykora and Elias can revitalize the chemistry they had. This trade will never happen because it would be within the division.

Rolston has had 4 straight 30 goal seasons. Holik will have a reduced role on the 4th line. I like the make up of this team and I would imagine with 8 defense man on the roster and Corrente waiting to make the team as well as Bergfors that a deal is imminent since Lou said he wants a top 3 defense man.

Rolston-Elias-Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Pandolfo-Madden-LAngenbrunner
Rupp-Holik-Clarkson

It all points to Gionta being dealt

Lou's getting the band back together!

Holik with Sutter should be good.

Yea I just woke up...lol I guess that means it kind of fits.

If he doesn't, do I still have to acquit? Or can I use the Chewbacca defence?

http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/images/Chewbacca.jpg

really? He had 15 goals and 19 assists in 82 games last year.

Pandolfo had 12 goals and 12 assists in 54 games and would have worked out to 18 goals and assists in 82 games if he was not injured.

Yet people were down on re-signing Pandolfo at 2.5 mil but happy at Holik for the same amount?

What's Pandolfo's face off percentage? Oh right, he doesn't take faceoffs. Plus Holik is big and nasty, which is exactly what we needed.

I would make this deal 7 days a week. Sykora is soft but this team is big now. Sykora and Elias can revitalize the chemistry they had. This trade will never happen because it would be within the division.

Rolston has had 4 straight 30 goal seasons. Holik will have a reduced role on the 4th line. I like the make up of this team and I would imagine with 8 defense man on the roster and Corrente waiting to make the team as well as Bergfors that a deal is imminent since Lou said he wants a top 3 defense man.

Rolston-Elias-Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Pandolfo-Madden-LAngenbrunner
Rupp-Holik-Clarkson

It all points to Gionta being dealt

no way would i trade gio for sykora, we would be the oldest team in the league

Are you kidding? Holik is one of the best interviews in the game. He was always the only Devil willing to give good quotes.

I think Lou may offer him a chance to take over for Doc...:sarcasm:

I think Zajac may be on his way out, with Elias centering the first line, Madden the 2nd and Holik the 3rd. We may well see Pando and Madden split up and Madden given a little more offensive freedom. Some package involving Zajac, Gionta and Vishnevski leaving for a d-man?

Parise - Elias - Bergfors
Rolston - Madden - Zubrus
Pandolfo - Holik - Langenbrunner
Rupp - Vrana - Clarkson.... whatever

Ooooooooooor, we sign Hossa, trade Gionta, Zajac, Vishnevski, White (bully him to wave NTC) and say "f the defense, Marty is the defense." It will happen!:sarcasm:

What's Pandolfo's face off percentage? Oh right, he doesn't take faceoffs. Plus Holik is big and nasty, which is exactly what we needed.

He's also 37 years old. Isn't that what you guys always complain about? Age?


Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see him back, but I value Pandolfo more than I do Holik.

He's also 37 years old. Isn't that what you guys always complain about? Age?


Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see him back, but I value Pandolfo more than I do Holik.

It's a one year contract.

What does Holik playing in the bottom 6 have to do with Bergfors playing in the top 6?

Sorry, I meant that Rolston will take Bergfors' spot.

It's funny to see two guys returning to the team they started out in. If Shanny and Smith return, that'll just be weird then.

It's a one year contract.

I know that, but its just strange that people ***** about resigning Pandolfo. He's valuable on this team not just for his defense but for his leadership.

I would make this deal 7 days a week. Sykora is soft but this team is big now. Sykora and Elias can revitalize the chemistry they had. This trade will never happen because it would be within the division.

Rolston has had 4 straight 30 goal seasons. Holik will have a reduced role on the 4th line. I like the make up of this team and I would imagine with 8 defense man on the roster and Corrente waiting to make the team as well as Bergfors that a deal is imminent since Lou said he wants a top 3 defense man.

Rolston-Elias-Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Pandolfo-Madden-LAngenbrunner
Rupp-Holik-Clarkson

It all points to Gionta being dealt

Agree.

whats going on with smith?? he would be a good pick up and im not just saying it because he was with us before but how much did he make last year?

Possible Centers: Elias, Zajac, Holik, Madden, Zubrus, Parise, Vrana
Who I choose: Elias, Zajac, Holik, Madden

Possible LW: Elias, Parise, Vrana, Pandolfo, Zubrus, Rolston
Who I choose: Parise, Rolston, Pandolfo, Vrana

Possible RW: Gionta, Langenbrunner, Zubrus, Vrana, Clarkson
Who I choose: Gionta, Langenbrunner, Zubrus, Clarkson

Parise - Elias - Langenbrunner
Rolston - Zajac - Zubrus
Pandolfo - Madden - Gionta
Vrana - Holik - Clarkson

That lineup is strong up front.

I think Zajac may be on his way out, with Elias centering the first line, Madden the 2nd and Holik the 3rd. We may well see Pando and Madden split up and Madden given a little more offensive freedom. Some package involving Zajac, Gionta and Vishnevski leaving for a d-man?

Parise - Elias - Bergfors
Rolston - Madden - Zubrus
Pandolfo - Holik - Langenbrunner
Rupp - Vrana - Clarkson.... whatever

I would keep Zajac and Gionta for a second scoring line and lots of balance. Anyways, I think other than solidyfying the D with one more offensive D-man, I think Lou is done. This is what I would do with the current lineup:

Rolston - Elias - Langenbrunner
Parise - Zajac - Gionta
Pandolfo - Madden - Zubrus
Rupp - Holik - Clarkson
Two of Brylin/Pelley/Tallackson/Vrana

Martin – Oduya
Free Agent/Trade (Boyle/McCabe) – Salvador
Mottau – White
One of Vishnevski/Greene/Brookbank/Corrente

Im thinking if Zubrus plays on our 4th line again then we will have 2 nasty checking lines...Get a 2 goal lead in game, insert line 3 and 4. I know that Lou has something up his sleeve because Lou always builds on defense and says "You build from the back on up" in that you get the goalie first, then build the defense and then the offense...

Love the 4th line Jason:

Vrana - Holik - Clarkson

Holik and Clarkson bring the grit, while Vrana adds the skill.

I think Zajac may be on his way out, with Elias centering the first line, Madden the 2nd and Holik the 3rd. We may well see Pando and Madden split up and Madden given a little more offensive freedom. Some package involving Zajac, Gionta and Vishnevski leaving for a d-man?

Parise - Elias - Bergfors
Rolston - Madden - Zubrus
Pandolfo - Holik - Langenbrunner
Rupp - Vrana - Clarkson.... whatever

I would keep Zajac and Gionta for a second scoring line and lots of balance. Anyways, I think other than solidyfying the D with one more offensive D-man, I think Lou is done. This is what I would do with the current lineup:

Rolston - Elias - Langenbrunner
Parise - Zajac - Gionta
Pandolfo - Madden - Zubrus
Rupp - Holik - Clarkson
Two of Brylin/Pelley/Tallackson/Vrana

Martin – Oduya
Free Agent/Trade (Boyle/McCabe) – Salvador
Mottau – White
One of Vishnevski/Greene/Brookbank/Corrente

wow...nobody likes Zubrus on the right side of Elias huh?

I think that would work with Zubrus reach and Elias setting him up in front.

I would keep Zajac and Gionta for a second scoring line and lots of balance. Anyways, I think other than solidyfying the D with one more offensive D-man, I think Lou is done. This is what I would do with the current lineup:

Rolston - Elias - Langenbrunner
Parise - Zajac - Gionta
Pandolfo - Madden - Zubrus
Rupp - Holik - Clarkson
Two of Brylin/Pelley/Tallackson/Vrana

Martin – Oduya
Free Agent/Trade (Boyle/McCabe) – Salvador
Mottau – White
One of Vishnevski/Greene/Brookbank/Corrente

langs belongs nowhere near the first line. **** that ****.

Possible Centers: Elias, Zajac, Holik, Madden, Zubrus, Parise, Vrana
Who I choose: Elias, Zajac, Holik, Madden

Possible LW: Elias, Parise, Vrana, Pandolfo, Zubrus, Rolston
Who I choose: Parise, Rolston, Pandolfo, Vrana

Possible RW: Gionta, Langenbrunner, Zubrus, Vrana, Clarkson
Who I choose: Gionta, Langenbrunner, Zubrus, Clarkson

Parise - Elias - Langenbrunner
Rolston - Zajac - Zubrus
Pandolfo - Madden - Gionta
Vrana - Holik - Clarkson

That lineup is strong up front.
I'd move Vrana up and Zubrus down. But really, with this wealth of talent we suddenly have up front you can't go wrong.

Vrana - Elias - Rolston
Parise - Zajac - Gionta
Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner
Zubrus - Holik - Clarkson

I'd move Vrana up and Zubrus down. But really, with this wealth of talent we suddenly have up front you can't go wrong.

Vrana - Elias - Rolston
Parise - Zajac - Gionta
Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner
Zubrus - Holik - Clarkson

Can't rolston play center?

langs belongs nowhere near the first line. **** that ****.

I thought about putting him elsewhere (switching with Zubrus) but thought it would be better to spread out the scoring ability.

Can't rolston play center?Yes, but he's a better fit on wing, he's not a very good faceoff man. These are my lines right now:

Rolston - Elias - Gionta
Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner
Pandolfo - Madden - Zubrus
Rupp - Holik - Clarkson

Yes, but he's a better fit on wing, he's not a very good faceoff man. These are my lines right now:

Rolston - Elias - Gionta
Parise - Zajac - Langenbrunner
Pandolfo - Madden - Zubrus
Rupp - Holik - Clarkson
I'd like to get Bergfors into the lineup somewhere in the top-6, you can drop Pandolfo to the fourth line with Holik maybe, or Zubrus and Langenbrunner both down a line to make room. Either way Rupp falls into the reserve forwards.

maybe this is just a cruel joke.


this sends a clear message to the youth in our organization. Vrana and Bergfors shouldnt even bother to show up to training camp. if i were Vrana i certainly would not resign.

Rolston-Elias-Zubrus
Parise-Zajac-Bergfors
Pandolfo-Madden-Langenbrunner
Rupp-Holik-Clarkson

This lineup assumes Gionta gets trade. If he doesn't, I would maybe move him to the 1st or 2nd lines, and shift Zubrus to Rupp's spot.

lous gonna have to do some subtracting if hed like to see any of these kids have a chance to crack the roster outta camp. im gonna guess gio, vish, mottau and zajac might be on the move sometime before the season starts.

Rolston-Elias-Hossa
Parise-Zubrus- Langenbrunner
Pandolfo- Madden- Clarkson
Rupp-Holik-Berfgors
Tallackson

Martin- (I have no clue)
White - Oduya
Salvador- Mottau
Greene

Deal out Vishnevski, Gionta, and Zajac for a #1 dman and save some cap space for Hossa.

Rolston-Elias-Hossa
Parise-Zubrus- Langenbrunner
Pandolfo- Madden- Clarkson
Rupp-Holik-Berfgors
Tallackson

Martin- (I have no clue)
White - Oduya
Salvador- Mottau
Greene

Deal out Vishnevski, Gionta, and Zajac for a #1 dman and save some cap space for Hossa.

We are not getting Hossa. Get that out of your head.
If and that is a BIG if, we sign another Forward it would be Shanahan and even that is a long shot at this point.

The focus now is to add a puck moving top 4 D Man.

Think McCabe, Kubina, McLaren, Bieksa, Boyle, etc.

Rolston-Elias-Hossa
Parise-Zubrus- Langenbrunner
Pandolfo- Madden- Clarkson
Rupp-Holik-Berfgors
Tallackson

Martin- (I have no clue)
White - Oduya
Salvador- Mottau
Greene

Deal out Vishnevski, Gionta, and Zajac for a #1 dman and save some cap space for Hossa.


uh Hossa alone is going to get paid more than all three of those players combined and a #1 dman?!?

Rolston-Elias-Hossa
Parise-Zubrus- Langenbrunner
Pandolfo- Madden- Clarkson
Rupp-Holik-Berfgors
Tallackson

Martin- (I have no clue)
White - Oduya
Salvador- Mottau
Greene

Deal out Vishnevski, Gionta, and Zajac for a #1 dman and save some cap space for Hossa.


You can't have Bergfors out there with those two, are you stark raving mad?

NJ doesn't have line 1-2-3-and 4. They have line A-A-A-A they use the line that they need in a certain situation and they rotate accordingly. Having Holik behind Madden is to have a 2nd checking line for the likes of Philly who have Richards and Carter on separate lines, and Pittsburgh who have Malkin and Crosby, and NYR who have Drury and Gomez. This is how it's going to go, assuming Gionta is traded.

Parise-Elias-Rolston
Bergfors-Zajac-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Clarkson
Zubrus-Holik-Rupp

Martin-Whoever we trade Gio for
White-Oduya
Salvador-Corrente

I did something wrong LOL

maybe this is just a cruel joke.


this sends a clear message to the youth in our organization. Vrana and Bergfors shouldnt even bother to show up to training camp. if i were Vrana i certainly would not resign.


Completley disagree. This sends a clear message that a roster player is on their way out.

I don't see the logic in resigning him, at over a million to boot!

Maybe we could turn Holik's line into the shutdown line and free Madden up as a 3rd scoring unit?

Rolston-Elias-Bergfors
Parise-Zajac-Gionta
Zubrus-Madden-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Holik-Clarkson
*Rupp

It's 95 again. We have depth up our ***** and Melrose is getting fired and will once again blame the trap for ruining hockey..."God ****it, hockey should be high scoring like Gretzky arghhhh"...ESPN needs Melrose, more than the Lightning.

Anyways here's a completely different idea for our lines assuming Rolston can play Right Wing, can he?

Parise-Elias-Rolston
Zubrus-Madden-Gionta
Pandolfo-Zajac-Langenbrunner
Vrana-Holik-Clarkson

Gionta doesn't really fit there though. But Madden played on our 3rd line last year and put up more points than Zajac. Maybe being on the 3rd line for a bit will help Zajac get better and there will be less pressure on him.

Maybe we could turn Holik's line into the shutdown line and free Madden up as a 3rd scoring unit?

Rolston-Elias-Bergfors
Parise-Zajac-Gionta
Zubrus-Madden-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Holik-Clarkson
*Rupp

I was going to suggest that, but thought I would be boooed of the internet.

I was going to suggest that, but thought I would be boooed of the internet.

I'd argue that we'd have two checking lines, one to match up against Crosby and one against Malkin. One to line up against Carter, the other against Richards. One to go against Drury and the other against Gomez. Problem was, Madden could only be on the ice against one, so they could separate to get the other to them. Now with Holik, it's a whole new ball-game.

Completley disagree. This sends a clear message that a roster player is on their way out.


Lou almost never, at least not in recent history has ever traded a veteran to make room for unproven youth.

I'd argue that we'd have two checking lines, one to match up against Crosby and one against Malkin. One to line up against Carter, the other against Richards. One to go against Drury and the other against Gomez. Problem was, Madden could only be on the ice against one, so they could separate to get the other to them. Now with Holik, it's a whole new ball-game.
With Sutter, who likes to mix and match, you could run 3 scoring lines one shift and 2 checking lines the next.

I do like the idea of having Pandolfo - Holik - Clarkson. Brings back memories of Pandolfo - Holik - McKay, except Pandolfo 2008 > Pandolfo 2000 and McKay 2000 > Clarkson 2008.

With Sutter, who likes to mix and match, you could run 3 scoring lines one shift and 2 checking lines the next.

I do like the idea of having Pandolfo - Holik - Clarkson. Brings back memories of Pandolfo - Holik - McKay, except Pandolfo 2008 > Pandolfo 2000 and McKay 2000 > Clarkson 2008.

I'm hoping with the additions that sutts doesn't have to mix and match too much.

I'm hoping with the additions that sutts doesn't have to mix and match too much.

Every team changes lines. Some even do it per game.

This changing lines crap is not a big deal.

Am I the only one who's excited that we have 2 shutdown lines? Although our D is still something left to be desired.

This was kind of a shocker. Me thinks the Vishinator is done.

This was kind of a shocker. Me thinks the Vishinator is done.
Yeah, I'll miss the comics and hearing about him hanging out in Hoboken.

See, even Holik thinks we're spoiled (http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2008/07/holik_and_rolston_its_good_to.html):
Some Devils fan may hold a grudge.

"Fans in New Jersey are somewhat spoiled," Holik said. "I don't mean it in a bad way. They want their team to be successful. If I give them my best and make the team better, that's all they want. Yeah, there are going to be people who have opinions. I have my own opinions."

Every team changes lines. Some even do it per game.

This changing lines crap is not a big deal.

Most teams don't do it on the fly. The way do it our players have to be more concerned about getting off the ice rather than playing the game. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

Yeah, I'll miss the comics and hearing about him hanging out in Hoboken.

See, even Holik thinks we're spoiled (http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2008/07/holik_and_rolston_its_good_to.html):
He's right, too. As long as he plays well I'll be happy to have him back. Even if I do want to tear his head off from time to time.

I don't really know what I feel about this signing, but my initial reaction wasn't a positive one.

I didn't read the whole thread, I've been drinking quite a bit this evening but...does this now mean Zajac is our 4th line center? Because I don't want to pay Holik what he's making to be a 4th line center unless we magically resurrect the crash line.


Randy....are you out there? 1995 is back, Lou is calling but you're not answering.


Peluso, we know they don't have a lot of telephone lines in Alaska but read the smoke signals, we're bringin this **** backkkkkkkkkk to 95555555555

If Holik were smart, whether he means it or not, he'd say "signing with the Rangers was the dumbest thing I've ever done".

Holik - "I took a paycut"...LOL :laugh:. Sure ya did, buddy. When you go from gettin payed 9 million to 2.5 mil, yea...a pay-cut.

I thought Lou wanted to improve this team?!?!?!?!

Holik? This is a step backwards.

I thought Lou wanted to improve this team?!?!?!?!

Holik? This is a step backwards.
You mean we might actually win a faceoff now? Heavens to Betsy.

Yeah, I'll miss the comics and hearing about him hanging out in Hoboken.

See, even Holik thinks we're spoiled (http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2008/07/holik_and_rolston_its_good_to.html):

He speaks the truth...

We've been one of the top teams over the last 10 years and sometimes it sounds like we're the Panthers

I thought Lou wanted to improve this team?!?!?!?!

Holik? This is a step backwards.

I'm with you dude.

gonna hav a formidabble fourth now throw a rookie or two on the fourth why not

I'd like to get Bergfors into the lineup somewhere in the top-6, you can drop Pandolfo to the fourth line with Holik maybe, or Zubrus and Langenbrunner both down a line to make room. Either way Rupp falls into the reserve forwards.

YEP exactly what ive been saying or even have a rook like bergfors start the season just 20 games on the fourth rupp is press box material execpt when we firght the flyers

You mean we might actually win a faceoff now? Heavens to Betsy.

The first time he wins a faceoff to the point that Rolston buries, a faceoff that Elias will lose 60% of the time, they'll understand. The second Madden has to sit for a couple of games and he can slide in, they'll understand. When the fourth line actually scores more than 3 or 4 goals and can play a regular shift, they'll understand. And when he kicks some poor unsuspecting Ranger in the heel while they're skating or falls on top of Lundqvist and doesn't get off him, they'll laugh.

The more I think about this signing, the more I like it. It reminds me of a cross between Claude coming back and Chimo. Chimo was a great thing to have around because of how many roles he could play. Yes, Bobby is a bit washed up, but on any given shift, there's so many things you can do with him.

I like this.

I expect Holik to be on the 4th line at even strength and to center one of the powerplay units. He can win faceoffs and can screen the goalie on the powerplay.

Most teams don't do it on the fly. The way do it our players have to be more concerned about getting off the ice rather than playing the game. Which is absolutely ridiculous.

Umm . . . yes they do. Lines change all the times during games. I've can't remember seeing an NHL game where the lines didn't get shuffled at some point during the game.

I like this.

me too i was hoping for gratton but this is better they had to get some sort of pressence on the 4th. the only drawback bobby doesnt fight but chris doesnt do it very wel either

Umm . . . yes they do. Lines change all the times during games. I've can't remember seeing an NHL game where the lines didn't get shuffled at some point during the game.

im talking about line matching on the fly. not line changes.

I thought Lou wanted to improve this team?!?!?!?!

Holik? This is a step backwards.

You couldn't have a better 4th line Center. he can do so much for us. Don't hate him because he bolted for the Rangers or because he's ugly or that he talks a lot.

Like him because he undoubtedly helps our team.

You couldn't have a better 4th line Center. he can do so much for us. Don't hate him because he bolted for the Rangers or because he's ugly or that he talks a lot.

Like him because he undoubtedly helps our team.

I would have rather seen that money spent on beefing up our D....which it badly needs.

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I would have rather seen that money spent on beefing up our D....which it badly needs.

The market is inflated for defensemen more than it is for forwards. Did you want 8 years/56 million for massively overrated Brian Campbell? 6 years/39 million for Wade Redden? 4 years 20 million for Michal Roszival? I sure don't.

I'm pretty convinced and hoping that Lou is going to get us a puck-moving defenseman.

It's a 1 year contract that gives us forward depth. Cool your jets home doggidy dogs. Hopefully it means Gio's useless ass is out the door. I will have to get a new username but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to take.

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Keep doing that to the Flyers and well......welcome back.

I miss Arnott.