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Steadfast 05-20-2008, 11:49 PM New IIHF ranking in brackets. These are the groups for 2010:
Group A
Canada (1)
USA (6)
Switzerland (7)
qualifier (12)
Group B
Russia (2)
Czech Republic (5)
Slovakia (8)
qualifier (11)
Group C
Sweden (3)
Finland (4)
Belarus (9)
qualifier (10)
Qualifying tournaments will be held in November to determine the final three teams.
Plan on paying an insane amount for that Canada-USA game if you want to go.
Conando 05-20-2008, 11:52 PM I can only imagine the venom that will be spewed toward Jack Johnson in '10
Steadfast 05-20-2008, 11:53 PM I doubt he'll be a top 6 American defenseman by that time.
Conando 05-20-2008, 11:55 PM I doubt he'll be a top 6 American defenseman by that time.
what do you see the american top 6 being ?
Rabid Ranger 05-20-2008, 11:59 PM what do you see the american top 6 being ?
Johnson could be in the top six. Here's who I would have:
Komisarek/Rafalski
Martin/Ballard
Suter/Erik Johnson
Jack Johnson could fill Ballard's role, or come along as the 7th d-man.
Bean in Charge 05-21-2008, 12:03 AM another belarus-sweden upset?!! :naughty:
Canucks5551 05-21-2008, 12:03 AM Plan on paying an insane amount for that Canada-USA game if you want to go.
Yeah, I could see scalpers selling that for well over a thousand for upper bowl seats.
Steadfast 05-21-2008, 12:04 AM Paul DiPietro strikes again.
Canucks5551 05-21-2008, 12:05 AM I can only imagine the venom that will be spewed toward Jack Johnson in '10
I think that may have died down a bit. Plus, so few tickets are available for BC residents it doesn't make a difference.
Jeez, we are lucky :shakehead B, what a group, if Slovakia plays to potential ....
Rod Buskas 05-21-2008, 01:16 AM Can't wait. Hopefully USA/CANADA meet in the final and hopefully I can score tickets to it.
Rod Buskas 05-21-2008, 01:17 AM Johnson could be in the top six. Here's who I would have:
Komisarek/Rafalski
Martin/Ballard
Suter/Erik Johnson
Jack Johnson could fill Ballard's role, or come along as the 7th d-man.
Ballard > Martin
CertifiedPublicGuin 05-21-2008, 01:40 AM Ballard > Martin
I'm not quite sure I understand the significance of your post?
It's as if the poster included Martin at the expense of Ballard.
??
pouskin74 05-21-2008, 01:56 AM Jeez, we are lucky :shakehead B, what a group, if Slovakia plays to potential ....
what ever! they are slightly better than Switzerland. btw if you wanna be champ. then just beat them all!
New IIHF ranking in brackets. These are the groups for 2010:
Group A
Canada (1)
USA (6)
Switzerland (7)
qualifier (12)
Group B
Russia (2)
Czech Republic (5)
Slovakia (8)
qualifier (11)
Group C
Sweden (3)
Finland (4)
Belarus (9)
qualifier (10)
Qualifying tournaments will be held in November to determine the final three teams.
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Incorrect - there are 2 Qualifying Rounds, the first this November, and the 2nd during the international break in Feb 2009.
More info here: http://www.forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?t=6780
New IIHF ranking in brackets. These are the groups for 2010:
Group A
Canada (1)
USA (6)
Switzerland (7)
qualifier (12)
Group B
Russia (2)
Czech Republic (5)
Slovakia (8)
qualifier (11)
Group C
Sweden (3)
Finland (4)
Belarus (9)
qualifier (10)
Qualifying tournaments will be held in November to determine the final three teams.
Plan on paying an insane amount for that Canada-USA game if you want to go.
How do the QF's work when you got 3 groups?
GoingGoingGagner 05-21-2008, 03:33 AM You couldn't have made those groups more perfect if you tried. This is going to be AWESOME!
Canada US rivalry, Czech vs Slovaks, and Sweden v Finland. Awesome.
How do the QF's work when you got 3 groups?Top team in each group along with the highest 2nd place team gets a bye into the 2nd playoff round (which is the QF round).
The rest of the 8 teams (ranked 5th to 12) play each other to eliminate 4 teams (ie, 5vs12, 6vs11, 7vs10, 8vs9). The 4 winners of this round join those given the bye above for the 8 team QF round, then the SF etc....
Very unconventional, but this is what the NHL/NHLPA/IIHF came up with to appease all parties (IIHF wanted 12 teams, NHL wanted shortest scheduling break possible, NHLPA wanted games spaced enough not to tire out players).
jonas234567 05-21-2008, 03:41 AM Paul DiPietro strikes again.
I doubt that, he doesn't get any younger. :shakehead
But maybe we can find another Paul until then, Hnat Dominichelli would be a possibility. :nod:
Kesler Kills Kommies 05-21-2008, 03:47 AM what team would be fighting for the qualifying team? Japan? France? Hong Kong?
Slitty 05-21-2008, 03:53 AM You couldn't have made those groups more perfect if you tried. This is going to be AWESOME!
Canada US rivalry, Czech vs Slovaks, and Sweden v Finland. Awesome.
Switzerland and Belarus ruin it a tad... otherwise you have a North American group, a Slavic group, and a Scandinavian group! :)
what team would be fighting for the qualifying team? Japan? France? Hong Kong?
I would assume Germany, Latvia and Denmark would be three favourites for that.
Dima87* 05-21-2008, 07:59 PM Tough group for Russia.
Davebo 05-22-2008, 11:38 AM Tough group for Russia.
Maybe 5-10 years ago...
Based on recent history, I'd say you have a pretty decent grouping....
Jussi 05-22-2008, 11:44 AM Jeez, we are lucky :shakehead B, what a group, if Slovakia plays to potential ....
I can already see the Russian posters whining about how the NHL refs screwed them out of a quarterfinal place. :D
Redwingsfan 05-22-2008, 11:49 AM I would assume Germany, Latvia and Denmark would be three favourites for that.
Norway has a decent chanse too, I'd say..
willie 05-22-2008, 11:53 AM Switzerland and Belarus ruin it a tad... otherwise you have a North American group, a Slavic group, and a Scandinavian group! :)
Prepare for Finnish venom. They only you kicked your ***** in WW2 and yet you still don't know they aren't Scandinavian. :D
And an all North American group would be pretty weak after Canada/States. I can't see Mexico and Trinidad & Tobago faring too well against a quality Canadian Beer League team, let alone an Olympic team. :sarcasm:
Dima87* 05-22-2008, 12:22 PM Prepare for Finnish venom. They only you kicked your ***** in WW2 and yet you still don't know they aren't Scandinavian. :D
And an all North American group would be pretty weak after Canada/States. I can't see Mexico and Trinidad & Tobago faring too well against a quality Canadian Beer League team, let alone an Olympic team. :sarcasm:
Didn't the USSR win WW2? :sarcasm:
SirKillalot 05-22-2008, 12:57 PM Norway has a decent chanse too, I'd say..
Norway plays against France, Denmark and another team in the qualifying round.
Norway or Denmark goes through.
Ticonderoga 05-22-2008, 01:26 PM I hope to see Norway there too.
go kim johnsson 514 05-22-2008, 01:36 PM I hope either Norway and Denmark get in. One is going to be Germany, the other should be Latvia.
What are the qualifying groups?
ej_pens 05-22-2008, 02:08 PM What are the qualifying groups?
Qualifier for Group B
Group A: Bulgaria, Spain, Mexico, Turkey. Host: TBA
Olympic Pre-Qualification
Group B: Kazakhstan, Netherlands, Estonia, Qualifier. Host: TBA
Group C: Hungary, Lithuania, Croatia, Serbia. Host: Hungary
Group D: Poland, Japan, Romania, Great Britain. Host: Poland
Final Olympic Qualification, February 5-8, 2009:
Group E: Germany, Slovenia, Austria, Qualifier. Host: Mannheim (Germany)
Group F: Latvia, Italy, Ukraine, Qualifier. Host: Latvia. The venue is expected to be Riga.
Group G: Norway, Denmark, France, Qualifier. Host: Norway
Rod Buskas 05-22-2008, 09:04 PM I'm not quite sure I understand the significance of your post?
It's as if the poster included Martin at the expense of Ballard.
??
The poster seemed to indicate that Jack Johnson, if he progresses, could replace Ballard at the Olympics. I am of the opinion that if Jack Johnson does continue to progress and is ready for the Olympics, then the Americans would be better off with Martin being the 7th defenseman rather than a player like Ballard.
Thus, Ballard > Martin.
#11_THEBEST! 05-22-2008, 09:45 PM The poster seemed to indicate that Jack Johnson, if he progresses, could replace Ballard at the Olympics. I am of the opinion that if Jack Johnson does continue to progress and is ready for the Olympics, then the Americans would be better off with Martin being the 7th defenseman rather than a player like Ballard.
Thus, Ballard > Martin.
It looks as if you haven't watched Martin play a lot. He's defenitely going to be in Vancouver barring any injuries. He was the best defenseman for US [Also #1 D for NJD] at World Championship and I would be shocked if he doesn't make the team in '10.
MikeC44 05-22-2008, 10:43 PM So why don't the 2009 World Championships have any bearing on which teams play in the 2010 Olympics?
VladNYC 05-22-2008, 11:18 PM I can already see the Russian posters whining about how the NHL refs screwed them out of a quarterfinal place. :D
I can already see Finnish posters whining after Russia shuts them out in the semis. See...i can stay stupid things too.
So why don't the 2009 World Championships have any bearing on which teams play in the 2010 Olympics?Simple, the first round of Olympic qualifications begin this fall. Seedings needed to be determined prior to them starting.
Fish on The Sand 05-23-2008, 02:17 AM New IIHF ranking in brackets. These are the groups for 2010:
Group A
Canada (1)
USA (6)
Switzerland (7)
qualifier (12)
Group B
Russia (2)
Czech Republic (5)
Slovakia (8)
qualifier (11)
Group C
Sweden (3)
Finland (4)
Belarus (9)
qualifier (10)
Qualifying tournaments will be held in November to determine the final three teams.
Plan on paying an insane amount for that Canada-USA game if you want to go.
Group C is pansy. How to the 3rd and 4th ranked teams get it so easy?
binary0x01 07-04-2008, 02:25 AM I think it is pretty clear why every country that is not Russia, concentrate on having top goaltending... with those forwards, trading chanced with Russia is like handing them your wallet.... :D
Mr Kanadensisk 07-11-2008, 06:43 AM I think it is pretty clear why every country that is not Russia, concentrate on having top goaltending... with those forwards, trading chanced with Russia is like handing them your wallet.... :D
With the second best group of forwards, Russia should do well in 2010!!
go kim johnsson 514 07-11-2008, 12:05 PM How are they going to do it with 3 groups now?
Jussi 07-11-2008, 03:23 PM How are they going to do it with 3 groups now?
Oh come on, it's not that hard to figure out. Top 2 from each group, plus two best 3rd placed teams, go into the playoffs.
and everybody goes into play-offs....
Mr Kanadensisk 07-11-2008, 05:37 PM The IIHF will never get this right. Once again the preliminary rounds are basically meaningless exhibition games.
Jussi 07-11-2008, 06:27 PM The IIHF will never get this right. Once again the preliminary rounds are basically meaningless exhibition games.
*sigh* This is how the NHL wanted it. They wanted an easier schedule.
Sanderson 07-12-2008, 05:51 AM Ah yes, they should just start with the semi-finale, right? :shakehead
The preliminary round is meaningful. The winner of each group plus one second place team gets a bye for the next round, which means one game less to play, how is that not meaningful?
Having all teams advance is no problem at all, seeing how the worst team gets the strongest opponent.
You really like to complain about everything for no reason at all, don't do?
Mr Kanadensisk 07-12-2008, 06:40 AM Eight team round robin, top four go to the semi's, drop the bronze medal game. It would be so much better!!
Mr Kanadensisk 07-12-2008, 07:01 AM Ah yes, they should just start with the semi-finale, right? :shakehead
The preliminary round is meaningful. The winner of each group plus one second place team gets a bye for the next round, which means one game less to play, how is that not meaningful?
Having all teams advance is no problem at all, seeing how the worst team gets the strongest opponent.
You really like to complain about everything for no reason at all, don't do?
I have to admit, I like the way other sports are handled at the Olympics where there are minimum qualifying standards. I accept that would be a bit hard to do with hockey, but given the enormous drop off in talent between the 7th and 8th nations, it would be nice to have. Watching to see if a lesser team catches a top team sleeping just doesn't appeal to me, especially when the games aren't meaningful.
The whole idea behind allowing more teams in is to "grow" the sport. I just don't believe that that approach works.
Jussi 07-12-2008, 07:14 AM Eight team round robin, top four go to the semi's, drop the bronze medal game. It would be so much better!!
Bronze medal games are pretty much mandatory in the Olympics.
Mr Kanadensisk 07-12-2008, 09:34 PM Bronze medal games are pretty much mandatory in the Olympics.
I would award it to the SF loser who finished higher in the round robin. Again, it makes the round robin games more meaningful.
Tomas W 07-13-2008, 04:48 PM Qualifier for Group B
Group A: Bulgaria, Spain, Mexico, Turkey. Host: TBA
Olympic Pre-Qualification
Group B: Kazakhstan, Netherlands, Estonia, Qualifier. Host: TBA
Group C: Hungary, Lithuania, Croatia, Serbia. Host: Hungary
Group D: Poland, Japan, Romania, Great Britain. Host: Poland
Final Olympic Qualification, February 5-8, 2009:
Group E: Germany, Slovenia, Austria, Qualifier. Host: Mannheim (Germany)
Group F: Latvia, Italy, Ukraine, Qualifier. Host: Latvia. The venue is expected to be Riga.
Group G: Norway, Denmark, France, Qualifier. Host: Norway
So we might have Mexico in the olympics then :D
pouskin74 07-14-2008, 03:51 AM With the second best group of forwards, Russia should do well in 2010!!
best group of forwards!
Mr Kanadensisk 07-14-2008, 06:14 AM best group of forwards!
Combined NHL points of the top 12 forwards from each country for last season:
Canada 1029
Russia 822
Sweden 754
Czech R 719
USA 658
Finland 464
Slovakia 411
pouskin74 07-14-2008, 09:08 AM Combined NHL points of the top 12 forwards from each country for last season:
Canada 1029
Russia 822
Sweden 754
Czech R 719
USA 658
Finland 464
Slovakia 411
in my point of view Russian best forwards included 9 players from NHL and 3 from KHL(Marozov,Jashin,Zinovjev) Marozov has been great at KHL and at international tournaments ! Zinovjev is very good center but just not made for NHL small rinks and he has been proved him self many times at international level! what ever North Americans thinking about Jashin he will be still a 80-90 points maker in NHL and he has been proved his ability to play at higher level in KHL as well! lets not forget why he left NHL! maybe i did overreact yesterday but Russians arent worse than Canadians in frontline thats for sure!
Mr Kanadensisk 07-14-2008, 10:25 AM in my point of view Russian best forwards included 9 players from NHL and 3 from KHL(Marozov,Jashin,Zinovjev) Marozov has been great at KHL and at international tournaments ! Zinovjev is very good center but just not made for NHL small rinks and he has been proved him self many times at international level! what ever North Americans thinking about Jashin he will be still a 80-90 points maker in NHL and he has been proved his ability to play at higher level in KHL as well! lets not forget why he left NHL! maybe i did overreact yesterday but Russians arent worse than Canadians in frontline thats for sure!
The way I see it all of the top seven teams have a very good shot at a medal, and four or five of them with close to an equal shot at the gold.
It should be good!
pouskin74 07-14-2008, 10:35 AM The way I see it all of the top seven teams have a very good shot at a medal, and four or five of them with close to an equal shot at the gold.
It should be good!
no way Slovaks have a shot for medals!they are so weak comparing to Top 6 .
Mr Kanadensisk 07-14-2008, 09:23 PM no way Slovaks have a shot for medals!they are so weak comparing to Top 6 .
It's not that long a shot if you think about it. All they have to do is win one QF game and they will at least play for bronze. A lot of the top teams don't really take the bronze game that seriously.
I've always said that to have a shot you need 3 good forward lines, 4 good d-men and a NHL starting quality goalie. Assuming Budaj makes it as a starter they should have that.
Nagy Hossa Gaborik
Stumpel Satan Demitra
Zednik Handzus Svatos
Hossa Kopecky Radivojevic
Ruzicka
Chara Visnovsky
Meszaros Juricina
Sekera Mezei
Valabik
Budaj
Halak
Looks like a good team, more talent than an NHL club team IMO.
Mr Kanadensisk 07-16-2008, 09:20 AM in my point of view Russian best forwards included 9 players from NHL and 3 from KHL(Marozov,Jashin,Zinovjev) Marozov has been great at KHL and at international tournaments ! Zinovjev is very good center but just not made for NHL small rinks and he has been proved him self many times at international level! what ever North Americans thinking about Jashin he will be still a 80-90 points maker in NHL and he has been proved his ability to play at higher level in KHL as well! lets not forget why he left NHL! maybe i did overreact yesterday but Russians arent worse than Canadians in frontline thats for sure!
Morozov and Yashin are reasonably skilled players, but to be honest I think a lot of Russian fans tend to overstate their accomplishments in the RSL. While the Russian league is improving, it is still vastly inferior to the NHL. As you admit at least 7 of Russia's top 10 forwards are in the NHL, not to mention the vast majority of other countries top players are also in the NHL.
While playing on a team with the two best forwards in the world, the most points Morozov ever accumulated in the NHL was 50. He also didn't look good on the small ice at the WC this year. Don't forget 2010 will be on NA sized ice.
Yashin has not had an 80 point season since 2000 - 01 when he played for a stacked Senators club. IMO I don't think Morozov or Yashin are good enough to make the 1st line on an NHL club anymore.
Kiraly 11-12-2008, 03:36 PM So we might have Mexico in the olympics then :D
Not in 2010. ;)
Spain won the group to qualify for Group B, but ended up finishing last. Kazakhstan won the group. Hungary and Japan won the other groups to stay alive. The groups for the next round in February 2009 are:
Group E
Germany
Austria
Slovenia
Japan
Group F
Latvia
Italy
Ukraine
Hungary
Group G
Norway
Denmark
France
Kazakhstan
guy99* 11-13-2008, 11:44 AM Yeahhh Canada Number 1!!!!!!
STHLM* 11-13-2008, 12:35 PM New IIHF ranking in brackets. These are the groups for 2010:
Group A
Canada (1)
USA (6)
Switzerland (7)
qualifier (12)
Group B
Russia (2)
Czech Republic (5)
Slovakia (8)
qualifier (11)
Group C
Sweden (3)
Finland (4)
Belarus (9)
qualifier (10)
Qualifying tournaments will be held in November to determine the final three teams.
Plan on paying an insane amount for that Canada-USA game if you want to go.
:eek::eek::eek:
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