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Blackjack 02-12-2004, 11:02 PM I'll let this stuff speak for itself. I found it on Divealanche.com, it was posted here
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~84~1944418,00.html
Before the game, Roy, Bourque and Howe met with the media, and Roy surprised his audience by advocating a reduction in the maximum allowable width of goaltenders' pads. Reducing the width from 12 inches to 10 might help increase scoring, said the 38-year-old who retired as the league's all-time winning goaltender after last season.
His point: Advances in equipment, including better helmet-type masks, have made goaltenders all but fearless, so a "giveback" - such as a return to 10-inch pads - would be appropriate...
"There's no more fear in goaltending anymore," he said. "Now goalies (take) a slap shot in the mask, and they shake their head and they're ready for the next shift. In the past, the guy was leaving the game with a lot of stitches in his face.
"If you look in the '50s, when Mr. Howe was playing, and you had no masks, or just starting out with masks, or in the '70s, guys could go down the wing and take those big slap shots and the goalies were afraid to get hit in the face and guys could score on the angle shot. Now you can't do that. If a guy scores on angle shot, everybody who's here in this room would say, 'What a bad goal.' Back then, we were saying, 'What a nice shot!"'
borrachon 02-12-2004, 11:13 PM When I heard Roy propose 10 inch pads I thought "funny he didn't propose that when he was playing...hmm"
PEli* 02-12-2004, 11:14 PM Yeah, I saw this on TSN.ca the other day. It was kind of lame. Roy says this now but the guy looked just as tankish as the other 29 starters last year. Smaller gear my eye. Where the hell were you last here?
I don't see that this has any connection to Brodeur though. Considering Marty wears relatively small gear, what Roy says has little to do with him. :dunno:
Blackjack 02-12-2004, 11:28 PM He also wants to make the nets bigger, and for some weird reason, has a problem with the effectiveness of the protective equipment. :dunno:
Anyway, I don't really think this specifically aimed at Brodeur, I think he's worried that with all the superior goaltending out there, he will soon be forgotten. And you know what? He's right.
PEli* 02-12-2004, 11:39 PM THEN...http://pages.infinit.net/petero/hockey_images/Patrick.jpg
NOW...http://www.hockeyphreak.com/photos/p7053.jpg
"Don't you see the irony, Marge?! The irony!"
IslesJack 02-13-2004, 12:17 AM THEN...http://pages.infinit.net/petero/hockey_images/Patrick.jpg
NOW...http://www.hockeyphreak.com/photos/p7053.jpg
"Don't you see the irony, Marge?! The irony!"
That NOW picture is several years old. They were a little bigger and better in the more recent years then then also.
David Puddy 02-13-2004, 01:28 AM It doesn't matter what rule changes the league institutes. Barring a major injury, Brodeur will break the all-time record for wins. Marty only needs another 162 wins to move past Patrick Roy's record 551.
If Roy's record is broken, it will take away the argument of Roy being the greatest goaltender ever.
Jason MacIsaac 02-13-2004, 09:46 AM It doesn't matter what rule changes the league institutes. Barring a major injury, Brodeur will break the all-time record for wins. Marty only needs another 162 wins to move past Patrick Roy's record 551.
If Roy's record is broken, it will take away the argument of Roy being the greatest goaltender ever.
Brodeur has played on far better teams then Roy, some of those early Habs teams stunk bad. I still think Roy should go down as the best goaltender in NHL history, Brodeur will probably be listed as 2nd when all is settled.
David Puddy 02-13-2004, 02:07 PM Brodeur has played on far better teams then Roy, some of those early Habs teams stunk bad.
They won the Stanley Cup in Roy's rookie year. They went to the Conference Finals two years before he arrived. They had players like Mats Naslund and Larry Robinson on the team. They were very good teams. Near the end of his Habs life, they were not too good, which probabably led to his trade demand (his 9 goals allowed against Detroit.) He was then traded to a powerhouse Colorado team.
I still think Roy should go down as the best goaltender in NHL history, Brodeur will probably be listed as 2nd when all is settled.
Dominick Hasek is a greater goalie than Roy. He has won the Vezina Trophy six times, and he is the only goalie to win the Hart Memorial Trophy twice. He really did play on some bad teams. And he made some bad teams pretty good with his exceptional play.
I would also go with Jaque Plante over Roy. Plante wrote the book on modern goaltending.
Another goalie that may have been better than Roy is Владислав Третьяк (Vladislav Tretiak of the old Soviet Union.) He may have two blemishes on his résumé, losing the Summit Series in 1972 and being pulled at the end of the 1st period against team USA in the 1980 Olympics after allowing the tying goals. Tretiak made up for both those instances, however, by beating Team NHL 6-0 in the decisive third game of the 1979 Challenge Cup and by beating Canada in the 1981 Canada Cup.
Brodeur 02-13-2004, 02:47 PM The change in pad size will probably only affect one record that Marty's chasing, and that's the shutout record which Roy doesn't have anyways. With the 2" reduction in pad width, any single shot has something like 3-4% more net to shoot at.
The puckhandling thing.....should be interesting, but we'll adjust and we already have new blood on defense that haven't been used to Marty's puckhandling for 5+ years.
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"Obviously, people come to the game to see goals," Roy said. "That's why we're talking about it. Soccer, nobody complains about a 1-0 game. NHL people want to see goals. My junior team (the Remparts) was involved in a 7-7 game, and people thought it was the best game ever."
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Nice to know Roy knows precisely what every NHL fan wants. http://www.hfboards.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
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Silly Ray. Championships aren't won on paper. Everyone knows this.
DevilFisch 02-13-2004, 03:13 PM "Obviously, people come to the game to see goals," Roy said. "That's why we're talking about it. Soccer, nobody complains about a 1-0 game. NHL people want to see goals. My junior team (the Remparts) was involved in a 7-7 game, and people thought it was the best game ever."
A tie between two QMJHL teams is the best game ever?
And if people go to games to see goals, how come Minnesota keeps selling out? (No offense, Wild fans).
CODevilsFan 02-13-2004, 08:39 PM Best Goalie of all time, does nobody remember Ken Dryden, check out his numbers, if he didn't call it quits early because he got bored we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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