Devils are a team McCabe would accept a trade to:

Got this from the Leafs board
it's an article from Andy Strickland


When MLSE President Richard Peddie fired John Ferguson Jr. he told people in the organization that he will get a superstar to fill the position. Outside of Brian Burke and Lou Lamoriello I really can’t think of any. Burke’s superstar status took a slight dive after his recent first round exit.

Peddie has failed at his attempt to get Detroit GM Ken Holland and his right hand man Jim Nill when Red Wings Ownership denied Toronto’s request to speak with them last year.

I’m hearing Detroit is back on the radar, only this time it’s Hall of Famer Steve Yzerman the Leafs are after.

Speaking of the Leafs why would they buy out Darcy Tucker? It makes no sense. The Biggest mistake the Leafs made was notifying Tucker’s people that they are considering a buyout. If that’s the case why in the world would Tucker accept a trade? I think he would gladly accept a buyout check for around $6 million and then become a free agent. There are at least 7-8 teams who would gladly sign Tucker to a $3 million dollar a year contract this summer. I didn’t even mention if they buy him out Tucker would remain a cap hit for the next six years.

Same goes with Bryan McCabe who is owed 4.1 million each of the next two years even though his cap hit is around 5.7 million. There is a major false conception that McCabe would only accept a trade to the Islanders. I hear his only demand is to stay in the East. He would accept a trade to the Rangers, Devils, Flyers, possibly even Atlanta who had serious interest in him last season.

Memo to the Leafs Management: If you are still looking to trade assets, you might not want to tell them you are considering buying out their contracts, especially if the players can control where/if they are dealt!






Just found it interesting, you don't hear it that often.
Not saying go get McGive-away, just saying it's nice to see us on a list of places a guy would like to go to.

Andy Strickland is Eklund's pet monkey....which means he has a better batting average than Eklund, but it's still pretty terrible.

Too bad his contract is just plain ridiculous.

yea. the $4.1 million isn't bad, the $5.7 cap hit is. Thats around what Redden is making now... and I think Redden will command LESS and even though he had a bad season it wasn't near what McCabe has been doing.

Shame, I wouldn't mind McCabe but not with that cap hit

The one thing that mccabe could give us is the shot from the point we've missed so badly.

This is purely for discussion only, no flaming please as I don't want him on the team, but could Sutter, Robinson, Stevens, and Albie get this guy to play better defensively?

Oh I believe they could. They are very good at turning nothing into something. We made Mottau look great, have continually groomed Martin into a number 2 type D-man... But once his defensive game is worked on, you wonder if he loses some of his offense?

He is a big body, though, which is nice. Just that cap hit is too much of a gamble. Like I said, probably get Redden for less of a cap hit, and you know what you're getting with him.

5.7= no go.

this is great, we can put him on a line with colin white, and that way we'll have two eyes. :sarcasm:

or was that Berard I'm thinking of?

this is great, we can put him on a line with colin white, and that way we'll have two eyes. :sarcasm:

or was that Berard I'm thinking of?

It's Berard.

honestly with the contracts that are getting thrown out at puckmoving defensemen i dont think mccabes contract is too bad.........hes not as bad as people make him out to be

It's Berard.

me.fail = true. :cry:

i tried so hard to make a funny, too. haha

Strickland is usually spot on. I think you guys will sign Redden and McCabe ends up in the ATL.

Lou Lamoriello for Toronto's first round pick in this year's draft?

Did the leafs really think they had a chance getting Lou or Brian Burke? Why would either of them want to go to such a cold climate to be the GM a of a crappy organization where your every move is scrutinized by the media. I don't think those two really fit well in that type of situation.

Did the leafs really think they had a chance getting Lou or Brian Burke? Why would either of them want to go to such a cold climate to be the GM a of a crappy organization where your every move is scrutinized by the media. I don't think those two really fit well in that type of situation.

Burke I can't speak for, but I would be blown away if Lou got lured there. Firstly for the reasons you mentioned, and secondly because I think he's thrived and enjoyed always living in the shadow of the Rags.

I mean look at it this way...SELDOM until maybe 05 has he been scrutinized for the moves he has made, and more often than not he has made solid trades/signings that have lead us to the cups we've won. Then you can look at the fact that, if you ever needed an example on how NOT to GM a franchise, he has the perfect example about 10 miles down the road in NYC.

I mean when you're this close, it's so much better to learn from their mistakes than having to make them ourselves.

I'd trade Gionta for him. But I doubt Toronto will trade for another 4 million dollar midget when they already have one under contract for 4 million in Blake.

Wouldn't mind taking a flyer on McCabe if we weren't sending anything substantial back the other way. Not sure if Toronto is just trying to clear out cap space--supposedly the had a Kubina for Kyle McLaren-type deal that fell through at the deadline.

3 years at a 5.7 mil cap hit, but 14.45 mil in real money which might be a bigger factor since I doubt we're spending to the cap anyways. Contract wise it's a little better than having to offer UFAs like Sheldon Souray 5 years/27 million. And to get a UFA to sign, you tend to have to overpay in dollars and/or years anyways.

Then again, maybe not the best idea to take on a soon to be 33 year old defenseman.

I think Bryan is past his prime and has lost his mental edge.

I'd rather sign Redden.

I think Bryan is past his prime and has lost his mental edge.

I'd rather sign Redden.

I'd rather sign Orpik

You do realize McCabe is drafted in 93 and Redden in 96. One is two years younger than the other so how can you want Redden and then say no to McCabe because he's past his prime when the age difference is 2 years? McCabe is 32 and Redden is 30, one is born in 75, the other in 77. Doesn't make any sense dude!

Anyways, McCabe is not a player the Devils would accept at trade FOR.

I'd rather sign Orpik

Haha touche!!

As a sidenote, im not a fan of signing Redden. But if it was between him and trading for McCabe, then it would be Wade.

Is McCabe your classic case of the "change of scenery" trade?

Do you think he could regain his "mental edge" if he where in a less preasure filled enviroment?

Although I don't like his cap hit, or his defensive short comings. I like the change in pp dynamic a player like him would bring.


And we all know we need to do something about our pp.

Haha touche!!

As a sidenote, im not a fan of signing Redden. But if it was between him and trading for McCabe, then it would be Wade.

yeah I agree, without a doubt. I like Wade over him anyway, regardless of circumstances. I've always hated McCabe, right along side the likes of Darcy Tucker, the guy is more a liability than anything, let Toronto to continue overpaying him because he isn't worth that kind of bank.

My choice would be Orpik as well. He's younger than the other two and it's obvious that Redden and McCabe aren't the defensemen they once were.

Given the choice of getting Redden or McCabe for a reasonable price, I would definitely agree to it though.

I'd rather sign Redden.

Easier said than done. Realistically to get Redden here, we'd have to offer up a ton of years and a ton of cash.

Hypothetically speaking, would you rather have McCabe for 3 years/14.45 mil real cash (5.7/year cap hit) or Redden for 5 years/30 million (6.0/year cap hit)? There might not be a right answer--they might both be the proverbial wrong answer.

And sadly that might be a conservative estimate on Redden. Kings' GM Dean Lombardi was pretty candid while talking about pursuing free agents last offseason. He tried to target the big fish (Drury/Gomez/Briere) and nobody had interest in coming to LA. He talked about going after Chara the previous offseason and how he had no interest in moving to the West. With Drury in particular, Lombardi thought he made a reasonable offer but it paled in comparison to what the Rangers offered.

Obviously a team like LA is a bit different in terms of immediate competitiveness, but the moral of the story is that there are going to be a dozen other teams who'd "rather just sign Redden" and all it takes is one offering a better contract/situation for you to come out empty handed.

I think Bryan is past his prime and has lost his mental edge.

I'd rather sign Redden.

If you say that McCabe is past his prime (which he isnt--he was hurt for a good amount this season and put up 57 and 68 points the two years before that) then you have to say that Redden is past his prime because he clearly isn't the same player that he once was.

I'll take McCabe. We'd have to give Redden a 5 year deal, a completely no-go for me, when we could just have McCabe for less years.

His defensive problems don't really bother me (I mean, look what they did with Mottau), but there are a lot of other players I'd rather give that money to.

Hate to be the guy to quote himself, but guys, chillax.

As a sidenote, im not a fan of signing Redden. But if it was between him and trading for McCabe, then it would be Wade.

;)

Good Points have been brought up.

The obvious cons:

Defensive Liability
-Decent sized cap hit
33 years old..

Not so obvious pros:

-Guy puts up points
-He plays in a pressure city, maybe he does better in Jersey
-Defensive skills could improve with Robinson
-Only a 3-year contract, as opposed to 5 years $25-$30 million Redden (maybe higher) would command
-Decent Size
-We get him for 2 years while he's young, and his last year is a contract year when players generally do well
-Was anybody on Toronto really that good last year? That's like picking on Brad Richards for his +/-


Just some things to think about. Not sure how I would feel about it. But we are lacking offense from the blue line. He would fill that void, and I think in our defensive system he wouldn't be such a liability (other players to lean on). Plus, getting a puck moving/offensive d-man for anything cheaper will be tough

Too bad McCabe is essentially useless without Tomas Kaberle feeding him the puck. I think the Devils should go out and get Wade Redden instead.

Too bad McCabe is essentially useless without Tomas Kaberle feeding him the puck. I think the Devils should go out and get Wade Redden instead.

replace Kaberle with Martin. While Kaberle is better, I think Martin is a good sub in

I'll take Kaberle....

Did the leafs really think they had a chance getting Lou or Brian Burke? Why would either of them want to go to such a cold climate to be the GM a of a crappy organization where your every move is scrutinized by the media. I don't think those two really fit well in that type of situation.Glory. I don't think that Lou Lamoriello would be motivated by such a thing, but it seems exactly what Brian Burke desires.

I agree with NJDevils 17 to an extent, a good deal of his offensive work is due to comfort with, basically, a 3 man PP unit. Him and Kaberle work extremely well together and when you throw Sundin into the mix, it gets better. Two dangerous shots and a guy who can set them up.

I don't think he'd be as effective here. Clearly better than what we have but not totally worth the cap hit. I do love that PP set-up, though.

I think you guys are underrating McCabe. He scored more goals this year just on his own net than our entire defense combined.

I think you guys are underrating McCabe. He scored more goals this year just on his own net than our entire defense combined.

Un-possible. But he would add to our strength there. We must lead the universe in "own-goals" and "indirect own-goals" (like White pushing Marty off the post in Game 2).

I'll pass..

I was never a big fan of his and his contract is ugly

OMG, my heart just skipped a beat when I saw this post.

McCabe is precisely what we need and when some of us suggested him being perhaps traded here last summer, we were roundly criticized. Not to mention being criticized for wanting Lou to sign Souray, but that's another story.

I think the conceitedness of some Devils fans has subsided quite a bit over the disaster of this past season and I'm sure many people would like to have McCabe here now all of a sudden.

Don't believe the anti-McCabe hype you hear from Leafs fans. That is the worst place to play, that's why they call it a fishbowl.

Yes, he fell behind that goal in that boneheaded play you see on YouTube, but I would love to see that big, strong, healthy young Irish beast flatten that 15 goal per year, "NHL Star", repulsive animal of forward if his tries to put his stick in our HOF goalies face again.

The guy can shoot is very aggressive, although he has learned to control his emotions as he's mattured. He will help our PP dramatically. I liked McCabe when he was on Long Island and this would be the man to build our D around for the next several years.

DO IT LOU!


Edit: This is the nonsense from Leafs fans that finds its way on the net and you all believe it. If you have idiot fans like this, you will have a very biased opinion of a player. Look at Marc Staal in that only game we beat the NYR in the recent playoffs, the goal that deflected off his foot in OT that won us the game. If he was on the Leafs, Staal would have the same unfair reputation of "scoring on his own goal" that they now give to McCabe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zjxWNaPF_A

OMG, my heart just skipped a beat when I saw this post.

McCabe is precisely what we need and when some of us suggested him being perhaps traded here last summer, we were roundly criticized. Not to mention being criticized for wanting Lou to sign Souray, but that's another story.

I think the conceitedness of some Devils fans has subsided quite a bit over the disaster of this past season and I'm sure many people would like to have McCabe here now all of a sudden.

Don't believe the anti-McCabe hype you hear from Leafs fans. That is the worst place to play, that's why they call it a fishbowl.

Yes, he fell behind that goal in that boneheaded play you see on YouTube, but I would love to see that big, strong, healthy young Irish beast flatten that 15 goal per year, "NHL Star", repulsive animal of forward if his tries to put his stick in our HOF goalies face again.

The guy can shoot is very aggressive, although he has learned to control his emotions as he's mattured. He will help our PP dramatically. I liked McCabe when he was on Long Island and this would be the man to build our D around for the next several years.

DO IT LOU!


Edit: This is the nonsense from Leafs fans that finds its way on the net and you all believe it. If you have idiot fans like this, you will have a very biased opinion of a player. Look at Marc Staal in that only game we beat the NYR in the recent playoffs, the goal that deflected off his foot in OT that won us the game. If he was on the Leafs, Staal would have the same unfair reputation of "scoring on his own goal" that they now give to McCabe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zjxWNaPF_A
I agree with Muttley. I think McCabe could thrive here.

The issue is his cap hit. I'm not giving up much, if anything, in terms of assets for him. Not when Toronto is going to be desperate to get rid of him.

OMG, my heart just skipped a beat when I saw this post.

McCabe is precisely what we need and when some of us suggested him being perhaps traded here last summer, we were roundly criticized. Not to mention being criticized for wanting Lou to sign Souray, but that's another story.

I think the conceitedness of some Devils fans has subsided quite a bit over the disaster of this past season and I'm sure many people would like to have McCabe here now all of a sudden.

Don't believe the anti-McCabe hype you hear from Leafs fans. That is the worst place to play, that's why they call it a fishbowl.

Yes, he fell behind that goal in that boneheaded play you see on YouTube, but I would love to see that big, strong, healthy young Irish beast flatten that 15 goal per year, "NHL Star", repulsive animal of forward if his tries to put his stick in our HOF goalies face again.

The guy can shoot is very aggressive, although he has learned to control his emotions as he's mattured. He will help our PP dramatically. I liked McCabe when he was on Long Island and this would be the man to build our D around for the next several years.

DO IT LOU!


Edit: This is the nonsense from Leafs fans that finds its way on the net and you all believe it. If you have idiot fans like this, you will have a very biased opinion of a player. Look at Marc Staal in that only game we beat the NYR in the recent playoffs, the goal that deflected off his foot in OT that won us the game. If he was on the Leafs, Staal would have the same unfair reputation of "scoring on his own goal" that they now give to McCabe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zjxWNaPF_A



hmm..:sarcasm:

I agree with Muttley. I think McCabe could thrive here.

The issue is his cap hit. I'm not giving up much, if anything, in terms of assets for him. Not when Toronto is going to be desperate to get rid of him.

but conversely, they'll still be expected to get a good return for him I think. Plus when you have a fanbase full of GM's and rabid media with their own opinions, I think it's a hard sell. Damned if they do, damned if they don't really. If they don't, Leafs fans/media complain that they kept a guy who pretty much no one wants there anymore, and if they do and don't get a decent return, it will probably turn out to be "well I would have rather kept him than get THAT for him."

McCabe?!?!?!?!?

God No!!!!! Why would we want their garbage? Did any of you read the Leafs board at all this year. They hated him...why would we want that? Lou....get Redden instead.

McCabe?!?!?!?!?

God No!!!!! Why would we want their garbage? Did any of you read the Leafs board at all this year. They hated him...why would we want that? Lou....get Redden instead.
Redden is not coming to New Jersey. Defensemen in UFA are going to be hugely expensive, and Redden's play the last few seasons has been mediocre at best. As the second-best defenseman on the market, after Campbell, his price is going to be in the $6M+ range, and I can't see us spending $6M+ on Wade Redden.

McCabe is, albeit just barely, under that range. As Brodeur asked earlier, would you rather spend $5.7M on McCabe for 3 years, or $6M+ on Redden for 5+ years? At least McCabe brings physicality as well as that booming point shot we've lacked since Sykora went AWOL on us in the 2002 playoffs.

I agree with Muttley. I think McCabe could thrive here.

The issue is his cap hit. I'm not giving up much, if anything, in terms of assets for him. Not when Toronto is going to be desperate to get rid of him.

The cap hit is no longer as big as it once was, especially as the salaries get progressively higher each season along with a rising cap ceiling.

Toronto would want too much in return and other than Parise, I don't know who else they would really want.

There's only 3 or 4 players in the NHL I would want Lou to give up Parise for, and as much as I like McCabe, he's not one of them.

If there is any way Lou could fleece Toronto, especially since the general consensus is that everybody in the LeafNation wants McCabe out, I perhaps think that we actually might have some leverage.

We will see.

McCabe?!?!?!?!?

God No!!!!! Why would we want their garbage? Did any of you read the Leafs board at all this year. They hated him...why would we want that? Lou....get Redden instead.

See, this is exactly what I mean. :shakehead

hmm..:sarcasm:

settle down there pal, just a man crush ;)

The cap hit is no longer as big as it once was, especially as the salaries get progressively higher each season along with a rising cap ceiling.

Toronto would want too much in return and other than Parise, I don't know who else they would really want.

There's only 3 or 4 players in the NHL I would want Lou to give up Parise for, and as much as I like McCabe, he's not one of them.

If there is any way Lou could fleece Toronto, especially since the general consensus is that everybody in the LeafNation wants McCabe out, I perhaps think that we actually might have some leverage.

We will see.



See, this is exactly what I mean. :shakehead
I think a prospect and a pick might get the job done, Mutt. McCabe's value is lower than it's ever been before right now.

I think a prospect and a pick might get the job done, Mutt. McCabe's value is lower than it's ever been before right now.

Yeah, that's the thinking, but then some fool GM comes out of nowhere and gives up a quality player for him that has everybody scratching their head.

I'm not surprised McCabe would be open to coming here if traded. His wife is from Long Island and it is no secret that if he was to go anywhere it would be in the NYC metro area.

I would take McCabe on this team in a heart beat. First off he isn't as bad as some leaf fans make him out to be. The Leafs were a much better team in the lineup with McCabe than when he was out.

Secondly I think him being able to work with Robinson would help his defensive game. I think the Devils coaching staff (especially defensively) is much better than what Toronto's what.

Thirdly, I think just a change of scenery will help in itself. The Toronto media is a very viral hockey media. One things builds off of itself and things get blown up. A change for McCabe would probably do him good.

McCabe would bring that power play presence that is needed as well as an offensive upgrade on the blue line.

His cap hit doesn't bother me as much as it is quickly becoming affordable. Plus this team needs to take a kind of risk given the market. As said before I rather risk 5 million for 3 years than 6+ for 6 for a similar type player. I don't know what Toronto is asking for though it may be too high. Hopefully the price has come down as it seems the suitors may be limited because McCabe will only go to a certain amount of teams because of the NTC.

Yeah, that's the thinking, but then some fool GM comes out of nowhere and gives up a quality player for him that has everybody scratching their head.
But if he'd only accept a trade to a few teams, as mentioned in the article, the chances of that are a lot lower.

Like CD, my sticking point is the cap hit. If it were a million or so lower I wouldn't mind so much, but almost 6 million is a lot.

I would trade for McCabe. He'd help our PP immensely and a $5.75M cap hit for the next three years is less than we'd have to commit for a guy like Redden. We would not have to give up many assets either.

Yeah we have a lot of cap to play with.

McCabe?!?!?!?!?

God No!!!!! Why would we want their garbage? Did any of you read the Leafs board at all this year. They hated him...why would we want that? Lou....get Redden instead.

did you read the Ottawa board at all this yeaR?!

Seriously, its a bit of a cap hit but who else you going to get with that point production, for cheaper? A diamond in the rough, and that could be any of the above average, $3 mill per year dman. You don't know.

Plus McCabe's contract is only 3 years. You figure the first 2 years he's under 35, and his last one is in a contract year where most players perform very well. McCabe is a huge, physical force that increases the size of our D, as well. I'd glady waive Vish for him.

Redden really isn't that much better of a boat this year, and he's like to command more money and years

Look at it this way, both have been thrown under the bus by their fans and management this season.

But both could thrive in a new setting. After what Muttley said, and taking into account the financial status, I think I might have to change my preference to McCabe. He is probably less of a risk at this point.

I wouldn't want McCabe, he is past his prime (whatever prime he did have) and not at the salary and cap hit that he would bring with him. There are other alternatives out there if the Devils want to improve the pp. I would sooner take that $4 mill or $5 mill or whatever and use it to make a pitch for Bouwmeester when he becomes a RFA.

Look at it this way, both have been thrown under the bus by their fans and management this season.

But both could thrive in a new setting. After what Muttley said, and taking into account the financial status, I think I might have to change my preference to McCabe. He is probably less of a risk at this point.

Well, if we're going to talk about players who got thrown under the bus by fans and management....I'd take Ryan Whitney over both of them.

Well, if we're going to talk about players who got thrown under the bus by fans and management....I'd take Ryan Whitney over both of them.

Dont even tempt me...

Hes probably played his way back into future plans however. He has looked really good this playoffs.

For $3.5 million, I would take McCabe and his point point shot, but not for over a $5 million dollar cap hit. Rather go young and suck and have a shot at Tavares or Hedman in 09.... I'm serious too.

For $3.5 million, I would take McCabe and his point point shot, but not for over a $5 million dollar cap hit. Rather go young and suck and have a shot at Tavares or Hedman in 09.... I'm serious too.

it would probrably be the best way to go but as you know Lou has stated many times that the word "rebuild" is not in the Devils vocabulary.

Couple that with the last few yrs of Brodeur playing at a high level and I don't see them willing to go young and take their lumps to the point where they'd get a shot at either of the 2 studs in next yrs draft.

Dont even tempt me...

Hes probably played his way back into future plans however. He has looked really good this playoffs.

I kinda disagree, in games 3 and 4 I think he was one of Pitts worst dmen. He made quite a lot of mistakes, IMO.

I kinda disagree, in games 3 and 4 I think he was one of Pitts worst dmen. He made quite a lot of mistakes, IMO.

I havent seen much at all of the Flyers series, partly due to the fact I cant stand to watch them.

I thought he looked good against the Rags, especially on the offensive side. I think his confidence has taken a big knock this season, especially when Therrien clearly prefers Kris Letang.

it would probrably be the best way to go but as you know Lou has stated many times that the word "rebuild" is not in the Devils vocabulary.

Couple that with the last few yrs of Brodeur playing at a high level and I don't see them willing to go young and take their lumps to the point where they'd get a shot at either of the 2 studs in next yrs draft.


You're correct. So, I rather see Lou bring two guys like a Stuart and Hainsey for about $8 million then go with McCabe.

Martin-Oduya
Hainsey-Stuart
Corrente-White
Vishy

I havent seen much at all of the Flyers series, partly due to the fact I cant stand to watch them.

I thought he looked good against the Rags, especially on the offensive side. I think his confidence has taken a big knock this season, especially when Therrien clearly prefers Kris Letang.

yeah he doesn't look like the player he was last season almost at all. Might just be able to chalk it up to an off season because I definitely believe he's truly the player that scored 59 points and was a +9 than the guy with 40 and a -2.

It could very well be Therrian that's doing it too, which is a shame but if they were to let him go, I'd have no problem scooping him up.

yeah he doesn't look like the player he was last season almost at all. Might just be able to chalk it up to an off season because I definitely believe he's truly the player that scored 59 points and was a +9 than the guy with 40 and a -2.

It could very well be Therrian that's doing it too, which is a shame but if they were to let him go, I'd have no problem scooping him up.

Well, if they want to keep Malkin, Staal and Fleury they may have to shed Whitney's $4mill pricetag.

They have Letang and Cagioloski (Sp?) as adequate puckmovers, aswell as Gonchar. Moving Whitney probably wouldnt hurt them at all.

Well, if they want to keep Malkin, Staal and Fleury they may have to shed Whitney's $4mill pricetag.

They have Letang and Cagioloski (Sp?) as adequate puckmovers, aswell as Gonchar. Moving Whitney probably wouldnt hurt them at all.

But on the other hand Gonchar is already 34 and doesn´t have that many years left of his prime. Whitney on the other hand is only getting better within a few years. A few mistakes won´t change that. And with his current salary he´s going to be a bargain for Pens.

If they can maintain a quintet of Crosby-Malkin-Hossa-Whitney-Fleury, it´s somewhat irrelevant who´s gonna play with them. Those guys are the stellar core like the one that once was here.

Don't believe the anti-McCabe hype you hear from Leafs fans. That is the worst place to play, that's why they call it a fishbowl.
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Edit: This is the nonsense from Leafs fans that finds its way on the net and you all believe it. If you have idiot fans like this, you will have a very biased opinion of a player.

It's true, people see the highlights of a few egregious errors, read idiots like Simmons and Cox in the paper up here, and blindly follow the flock.

The issue is his cap hit. I'm not giving up much, if anything, in terms of assets for him. Not when Toronto is going to be desperate to get rid of him.

I really don't think (they better not be) they're desperate to move him. More of an invention of the media IMO. With Kubina's NTC invalid this summer it gives us the chance to shed his contract. We need to move one of the two, and due to circumstances it's almost sure to be Kubina. There really shouldn't be to much pressure to have to move him.

McCabe?!?!?!?!?

Did any of you read the Leafs board at all this year. They hated him...why would we want that? Lou....get Redden instead.

Some hate him. But we have a lot of very frustrated fans who pretty much hate everyone and thing about our team right now.

Quite frankly, the fact of the matter is he was consistently our best all round defenceman last year. He logs huge minutes, and just had his best defensive season he's had since the rule changes. His defensive game is wildly underrated, always has been. He's no Robinson, but he's not a liability back there. His production was hurt by an awful hand injury mid season and a logjam on our D.

I sincerely hope our management doesn't cave to the screaming heads and try to move him. If Kubina gets moved, he can resume his rightful spot alongside Kaberle and get back to business. The last two seasons he's been paired with Coli, Stralman, White, etc. There is a reason for this, he's the one they trust to carry the rookies and bring them along.

The last two seasons he's been paired with Coli, Stralman, White, etc. There is a reason for this, he's the one they trust to carry the rookies and bring them along.

So, if he was traded to the Devils, we could pair him with Matt Corrente and have them bust heads?? :sarcasm:

But well said Squiffy, im sure there are guys here who would agree with you.

Some hate him. But we have a lot of very frustrated fans who pretty much hate everyone and thing about our team right now.

Quite frankly, the fact of the matter is he was consistently our best all round defenceman last year. He logs huge minutes, and just had his best defensive season he's had since the rule changes. His defensive game is wildly underrated, always has been. He's no Robinson, but he's not a liability back there. His production was hurt by an awful hand injury mid season and a logjam on our D.

I sincerely hope our management doesn't cave to the screaming heads and try to move him. If Kubina gets moved, he can resume his rightful spot alongside Kaberle and get back to business. The last two seasons he's been paired with Coli, Stralman, White, etc. There is a reason for this, he's the one they trust to carry the rookies and bring them along.

yep agreed..........thats what i have heard from a handful of fans on the leafs board

Oh, and a perfect example of the propaganda espoused by Leaf fans showcased in today's Pens/Flyers game:

Hal Gill was just as scrutinized as Bryan McCabe in Toronto, with the same fans wanting him out and complaining about his salary.

He turned out just great in Pittsburgh. ;)

Oh, and a perfect example of the propaganda espoused by Leaf fans showcased in today's Pens/Flyers game:

Hal Gill was just as scrutinized as Bryan McCabe in Toronto, with the same fans wanting him out and complaining about his salary.

He turned out just great in Pittsburgh. ;)

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Never thought of that.