Drop the Sopel 05-07-2008, 07:37 PM Could Travis Zajac be made available?
The Canucks are in need of a 2nd line centre and New Jersey's in need of some defense. Vancouver's in a position to move at least one of Edler, Bieksa, Bourdon or Krajicek. The 10th overall pick in this years draft is likely in play as well.
What would it take from the Canucks to pry Zajac out of New Jersey?
Feed Me A Stray Cat 05-07-2008, 07:44 PM A package based around Zajac+ for Bieksa would be great.
ILikeItVeryMuch 05-07-2008, 07:44 PM Im game.
Clarkson Falls Down 05-07-2008, 07:49 PM Edler? Let us have him.
Devilswede 05-07-2008, 07:50 PM Bieksa + first round pick in exchange for Zajac and Bergfors.
Drop the Sopel 05-07-2008, 07:53 PM A package based around Zajac+ for Bieksa would be great.
What kind of numbers would you expect Zajac to put up next season? Is he ready to be a 2nd line centre on a good team?
Muttley 05-07-2008, 08:02 PM Could Travis Zajac be made available?
The Canucks are in need of a 2nd line centre and New Jersey's in need of some defense. Vancouver's in a position to move at least one of Edler, Bieksa, Bourdon or Krajicek. The 10th overall pick in this years draft is likely in play as well.
What would it take from the Canucks to pry Zajac out of New Jersey?
Well, you already have Sedin and and an emerging Kessler. That's your #1 & #2 right there. Besides, Zajac hasn't proven himself to be a #2 Center here yet.
Actually, we don't really have a #1 Center here to begin with. :sarcasm:
Don't you need Right Wings? How about Gionta for Bieksa, Edler Krajicek or Bourdon?
Colin Whites Eye 05-07-2008, 08:02 PM he was the 2nd line center on a good team this past year, or he was supposed to be at least
Randal Graves 05-07-2008, 08:08 PM Now there's a deal I'd be into. Bieska or Edler.. Bourdon has potential but he would have to be part of a bigger deal and not a straight swap.
Bieksa + first round pick in exchange for Zajac and Bergfors.
Thats not a bad deal. Vancouver has a lot of elite Swedish players that could help Bergfors reach the next level. I don't know if Vancouver would part with their 1st this year based on their position and the depth of the draft though.
Feed Me A Stray Cat 05-07-2008, 08:12 PM Thats not a bad deal. Vancouver has a lot of elite Swedish players that could help Bergfors reach the next level. I don't know if Vancouver would part with their 1st this year based on their position and the depth of the draft though.
Bieksa's value > Zajac's value
10th Ovr Pick value > Bergfors' value
Vancouver laughs.
Randal Graves 05-07-2008, 08:17 PM Bieksa's value > Zajac's value
10th Ovr Pick value > Bergfors' value
Vancouver laughs.
No argument about the pick, but all factors considered, I think Bieksa's value is comparable to Zajac's. Those factors being production consistency, injuries, age and Vancouver's defensive depth.
The trade favors New Jersey, but if the deal included a swap of 1st round picks it may be more appealing.
Drop the Sopel 05-07-2008, 08:24 PM Bieksa's value > Zajac's value
10th Ovr Pick value > Bergfors' value
Vancouver laughs.
I know I don't like that deal at all.
Bieksa for Zajac could potentially interest both teams. I may be overvaluing Zajac though, I can't say I have seen a lot of him. What are his strength's/weakness's? Top end potential?
åboriginal 05-07-2008, 08:30 PM Now there's a deal I'd be into. Bieska or Edler.. Bourdon has potential but he would have to be part of a bigger deal and not a straight swap.
Thats not a bad deal. Vancouver has a lot of elite Swedish players that could help Bergfors reach the next level. I don't know if Vancouver would part with their 1st this year based on their position and the depth of the draft though.
true...however, id rather use that logic in our favor and somehow get some sedin assistance here to help bergfors. why let them take advantage of bergys "potential":D.
Randal Graves 05-07-2008, 08:34 PM true...however, id rather use that logic in our favor and somehow get some sedin assistance here to help bergfors. why let them take advantage of bergys "potential":D.
Heh, keep dreaming ;)
I mentioned the fact that Bergfors might play at his best in Vancouver as a reason why his value may be higher to the Canucks than most of the other teams. I don't think he's worth a 1st rounder, but he certainly would be an intriguing prospect to them.
Darius Dangleaitis 05-07-2008, 08:38 PM Luongo:D
Brooklyndevil 05-07-2008, 08:41 PM Well, that would be two center positions we would need to fill either through free agency or play Parise and Elias there. I don't see Lou giving up on Zajac just yet.
Devils Pride 26 05-07-2008, 08:59 PM Bieksa + first round pick in exchange for Zajac and Bergfors.
Add in our first pick and I think it could work.
Van gets:
Zajac
Bergfors
21st pick
NJ gets:
Bieksa
10th pick
What do you guys think?
dzanimal16 05-07-2008, 08:59 PM Well, that would be two center positions we would need to fill either through free agency or play Parise and Elias there. I don't see Lou giving up on Zajac just yet.
yeah thats what i said in the free agents section when somebody said this. good proposal but the devs are already horrible down the middle :help:
Game Breaker 05-07-2008, 09:09 PM Zajac is not going anywhere. If he leaves, that makes John Madden the only true center on the team. Zajac will be the second line center next year and will then get resigned. He is not leaving this team.
fluffernutter mf 05-07-2008, 09:28 PM Both the Sedins and your first and we might consider it. :sarcasm:
Jason MacIsaac 05-07-2008, 09:49 PM Yea, lets trade the 22/23 year old center who put up 40 points and almost 20 goals his rookie season. Its a miracle Pittsburgh didn't trade Staal yet.
ADD-devil950003 05-07-2008, 11:13 PM Add in our first pick and I think it could work.
Van gets:
Zajac
Bergfors
21st pick
NJ gets:
Bieksa
10th pick
What do you guys think?
I like this deal alot, with that pick draft a center who can come in and help. I would also love to see Bieksa come over to Jersey. I dont kno if nucks do this even with our first thrown in there.
Feed Me A Stray Cat 05-08-2008, 01:14 AM I like this deal alot, with that pick draft a center who can come in and help. I would also love to see Bieksa come over to Jersey. I dont kno if nucks do this even with our first thrown in there.
Vancouver would not do that. Assuming Bieksa and Zajac have equivalent value, the deal becomes Bergfors + 21st for 10th? That's not enough.
Colin Whites Eye 05-08-2008, 02:15 AM Bergfors and 21st is MORE than enough to move up 11 spots, IMO...
Heske_44 05-08-2008, 03:18 AM Bergfors and 21st is MORE than enough to move up 11 spots, IMO...
I don't think so. For three years his "production" has been going downhill.
Gionta is interesting though.
sticknrink 05-08-2008, 03:28 AM If Boedker is gone by the 10th spot I'd do this if it were another center prospect other than Bergfors.
Of course I want the new GM to offersheet Jeff Carter first ;)
Add in our first pick and I think it could work.
Van gets:
Zajac
Bergfors
21st pick
NJ gets:
Bieksa
10th pick
What do you guys think?
britdevil 05-08-2008, 04:08 AM I would rather keep him around, and draft another dman.
Maybe our playmaking Czech prospect can fortify the 2nd line?
Vrana - Zajac - Langs could be a very good 2-way Devils type, 2nd scoring line.
Alcoolique 05-08-2008, 07:47 AM Geez, you guys already gave up on Zajac? He had a very good rookie season(42points, 17goals-25assists?) Let him have time...After all, its the first year in the new system implanted by Sutter.
See, the Pens haven't given up on Staal
Richer's Ghost 05-08-2008, 09:25 AM Zajac is not going anywhere. If he leaves, that makes John Madden the only true center on the team. Zajac will be the second line center next year and will then get resigned. He is not leaving this team.
Whaaaaat?
We have a boatload of centers. Brylin, Zubrus, Madden, Rupp, Zajac all are natural centers - and now Elias. Problem is none of them except Madden has a decent faceoff win %.
fortheloveof666 05-08-2008, 09:32 AM Zajac is not going anywhere. If he leaves, that makes John Madden the only true center on the team. Zajac will be the second line center next year and will then get resigned. He is not leaving this team.
I think this team could survive just fine without him. I mean we did do quite well this season despite his almost complete lack of presence and productivity and his face off skills are garbage.
britdevil 05-08-2008, 09:38 AM Zubrus can be pretty good in the circle, good enough for the second line. Problem is, he doesnt play the game like a centerman.
Game Breaker 05-08-2008, 10:58 AM Whaaaaat?
We have a boatload of centers. Brylin, Zubrus, Madden, Rupp, Zajac all are natural centers - and now Elias. Problem is none of them except Madden has a decent faceoff win %.
Brylin is on his way out the door, and is nothing more at this point than a 4th line center like Rupp. Zubrus is a natural RW which leaves Madden and Zajac as our only good, natural centers.
Devils9789 05-08-2008, 11:52 AM Geez, we give this guy two seasons and we're all ready to trade him?
hockey19 05-08-2008, 12:16 PM Whaaaaat?
We have a boatload of centers. Brylin, Zubrus, Madden, Rupp, Zajac all are natural centers - and now Elias. Problem is none of them except Madden has a decent faceoff win %.
check the playoff stats- zajac was 66% on draws
Richer's Ghost 05-08-2008, 12:43 PM check the playoff stats- zajac was 66% on draws
Check his season average. That small of a sample size (44 total faceoffs in the playoffs on 4th line) does not indicate his true skill at that critical part of the game. Regular season during over 1,000 faceoffs he was barely above 50%. That's not good enough given his lacking in other areas as well.
Clarkson Falls Down 05-08-2008, 12:54 PM Geez, we give this guy two seasons and we're all ready to trade him?
Gee, for a bonafide defenseman who's already proven himself for more than one season at the NHL level? Uh yeah.
Darius Dangleaitis 05-08-2008, 12:55 PM Keep Zajac for God's sake.
The entire team struggled to put up points, not just him.
He struggled at times but he showed some good things as well.
Richer's Ghost 05-08-2008, 01:21 PM Brylin is on his way out the door, and is nothing more at this point than a 4th line center like Rupp. Zubrus is a natural RW which leaves Madden and Zajac as our only good, natural centers.
I also forgot Pelley. I will disagree that Elias is not a good center, and he was only getting better down the stretch once he adjusted to it. Elias, Madden, Pelley, Rupp are all what I consider competent centers at 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th lines respectively. But, I want to see Langkow here anyways as 1st line C and push one of them back to wing.
AfroThunder396 05-08-2008, 07:51 PM Keep Zajac. Look what happened in Philly with Umberger and Carter.
Brooklyndevil 05-08-2008, 08:37 PM I admit I know nothing about this guy Bieksa and never seen him play, but from looking at his stats from the games he did play, because he sure missed quite a few, they arent very good and he was a minus 11 on a defensive team with a top goaltender. And we're supposed trade Zajac for this guy? I think not!
Randal Graves 05-08-2008, 09:23 PM I admit I know nothing about this guy Bieksa and never seen him play, but from looking at his stats from the games he did play, because he sure missed quite a few, they arent very good and he was a minus 11 on a defensive team with a top goaltender. And we're supposed trade Zajac for this guy? I think not!
He missed a lot of games this year after he had his calf lacerated by a skate and he only returned near the end of the season. He did have 12 goals and 30 assists along with 134 penalty minutes the year before though. I don't think it would be a fair assessment to rate him based on how he played after that long a layoff returning from that kind of injury. I wonder how well he's physically recovered and if it's going to affect him in the future.
MoonDragn 05-09-2008, 12:40 AM Luongo:D
Who wants mr inconsistent? I sure don't.
I rather keep good ole Marty.
ILikeItVeryMuch 05-09-2008, 12:41 AM Who wants mr inconsistent? I sure don't.
I rather keep good ole Marty.
Surely you overlook Luongo's hall of fame playoff statistics. He protects and entire city.
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