Brodeur views GM changes as personal.

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Marty not happy one bit.

Brodeur has to realize when you're the best at something and have a rare skill, people will try to even the field some how. Brodeur's best friend right now is Lou, because I cannot see Lou voting in favour of this.

I've heard another version of this goalie rule. I think Scotty Bowman made it up. Goalies can play the puck but can only make a lateral or behind pass.

Brodeur's best friend right now is Lou, because I cannot see Lou voting in favour of this.
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I think your right, however I do remember reading an interview that Lou did saying he was in favor of making goalie's fair game to get hit if they left the crease to play the puck. I would be in favor of that as well. If you leave the crease you can get hit, plain and simple. If the goalie is in the crease and he gets hit, its goalie interference. Make the crease back to its old size also. Honestly, now that that terrible "his toe was in the crease... NO GOAL!" rule is gone, what purpose does the crease even serve? I guess an argument could be made that it lets the goalie's know where they are in the net, but other than that its useless.

I don't necessarily agree with the rule, but I understand the thinking behind it.

I prefer that goalies be allowed to play the puck, but if they play the puck outside the crease then they should be considered just like a defenseman, and take a hit.

I think this rule will be put into place for two reasons.

#1. They want to protect the goalies, and they would never allow them to be hit like another player.

#2. The league wants to encourage teams to attack more, and get in on the forecheck and play more of a "pressure" game. Something I'm very much in favor of. They have tried other things (obstruction crack-downs etc.) and nothing has worked. You can't outlaw the trap, or defensive hockey, what you have to do is try thing to encourage teams to attack.

It's not about goals being scored, but about creating chances and aggressive hockey.

I don't really like the rule, but I do like what I believe the outcome will be, and in the end I think the positives outweigh the negatives.

Wow, just read in the Bergen Record that Bobby Clarke "championed" this rule change. I wonder why he didn't suggest it when Hextall was playing.

Wow, just read in the Bergen Record that Bobby Clarke "championed" this rule change. I wonder why he didn't suggest it when Hextall was playing.

There were 30 GM's there, it has to get approval from at least 20 and maybe even 24 GM's to get approved, and then voted on by the board of governors.

The ironic thing is, if you institute a rule that shackles the goaltender to his nets, you are begging for more clutching and grabbing from players racing in deep to play the puck since the goalie is no longer able to do this. How many fans over on the NHL talk board are totally in favor of this rule, yet also have branded clutching and grabbing as the single worst problem with todays game?

The ironic thing is, if you institute a rule that shackles the goaltender to his nets, you are begging for more clutching and grabbing from players racing in deep to play the puck since the goalie is no longer able to do this. How many fans over on the NHL talk board are totally in favor of this rule, yet also have branded clutching and grabbing as the single worst problem with todays game?
I can't grasp how this fixes anything, if you think about it Marty keeps the action going when he played the puck, most of the type he'd pass it back up ice to the defensemen. If Clarke did work for this I highly doubt it was for the improvement of the game, it looks like to me he's trying to erase an asset of a divisonal rival more than anything. Pretty sleazy.

He should take it personally, the rule is clearly designed to limit his (and Turco's) abilities to play the puck, and it's even more obvious because Clarke was pushing it. This rule is supposed to make dumping it in easier...but how often do you hear people whining about dump and chase hockey? And if they don't think guys like Burns and Lemaire can adapt to the change they're wrong. It's a stupid rule designed by the majority of GMs who have goalies that don't know how to play the puck and GMs (Clarke.) who want an edge on their competition.

And if they don't think guys like Burns and Lemaire can adapt to the change they're wrong.
Thats precisely why I laugh out loud everytime I read someone with the mindset that coaches like these can't adapt to new rule changes.

Brodeur's best friend right now is Lou, because I cannot see Lou voting in favour of this

Lou was part of the GM meetings that came up with the proposed rule changes. In the artical on TSN.ca Bettman said "GMs put the league ahead of their individual teams' concerns, which has been a problem in the past". That sounds like GM's(like Lou) who have goalies that are good puck handlers are willing to go along with the rule change because its whats they think is best for the NHL.

This could get ugly.

From: h**p://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpdnRxM2dhBF9TAzk1ODYxODgzBHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-gmmeetings&prov=ap&type=lgns


Brodeur has made an art of getting to pucks behind his net and then acting like a third defenseman to get them out. That skill would be taken away from his game.

"Seeing a goalie handling the puck, that's pretty exciting,'' Campbell said sarcastically. ``I thought it was pretty exciting seeing Mike Gartner and Guy Lafleur going down the wing and scoring. Now we have to go down and shove it through the side of their pads or jam it in at the side of the net.''

Campbell's rebuttal was that goalies were never intended to be puck handlers. The pads are there for safety and not to block shots, and their sticks are solely meant to stop shots.

"We had suggestions like 'let's give them two blockers, not a catching mitt,''' Campbell said. ``So we looked at everything.''



In other news...(funny!)

After practice Wednesday, Kidd held up 11-inch pads used in developmental leagues and was incredulous that the NHL wanted to make them even smaller.

Campbell was not impressed.

"Trevor Kidd can say that, but if I were him I'd work on my game,'' Campbell said. "We work hard. We don't just grab things from our back pocket and say, 'Let's try this.' We do a lot of work on this.''


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Was the in the crease rule from the "back pocket?" :lol:

If you leave the crease you can get hit, plain and simple.

How would you like it if a guy like Marchment crashes into Brodeur, tearing his ACL in the process & knocking him our for a season?

I'm pretty sure the GMs thought about this but they are smart enought to realize that players would just take liberties on the goalies and make an extra effort to pummel them when they leave the net.

Like Bob Gainey said, goalies don't have the right to handle the puck. It just evolved over time and now we have to decide whether allowing them to do so is a good thing or a bad thing.

wow...just watching NHL2nite, and Pang out of all people was against the limiting of goalies going behind the net in order to play the puck. Said it would lead to silly dump ins (which it probably would), and not increase offense. He also said it would penalize defenseman by forcing them to come in and play the puck, risk the chance of injury, and slow down the movement out of the defensive zone. Also said that the reduction of goalie pads wouldn't lead to more scoring since the goalies would be too smart and be able to adapt. Also mentioned that some regular players shin pads are 8" wide...

How would you like it if a guy like Marchment crashes into Brodeur, tearing his ACL in the process & knocking him our for a season?

I'm pretty sure the GMs thought about this but they are smart enought to realize that players would just take liberties on the goalies and make an extra effort to pummel them when they leave the net.

Like Bob Gainey said, goalies don't have the right to handle the puck. It just evolved over time and now we have to decide whether allowing them to do so is a good thing or a bad thing.

Who decided goalies don't have the right to play the puck? Is there an NHL charter of rights and freedoms that I'm not aware of?

wow...just watching NHL2nite, and Pang out of all people was against the limiting of goalies going behind the net in order to play the puck. Said it would lead to silly dump ins (which it probably would), and not increase offense. He also said it would penalize defenseman by forcing them to come in and play the puck, risk the chance of injury, and slow down the movement out of the defensive zone. Also said that the reduction of goalie pads wouldn't lead to more scoring since the goalies would be too smart and be able to adapt. Also mentioned that some regular players shin pads are 8" wide


Hes not thinking the rule change, or the rest of them, through. Because defensemen wouldn't be able to stay high their zone or in the netural zone, there would be more room for playes to skate through and dump ins wouldn't be as nesscary to create offense. And with less room behind the net "dumping and cycling" won't be the offensive style of choice. And if a team can't score because of a goalies skill in net thats fine, thats exciting. When a team can't score because there is no net to shoot at it takes all the skill out of goal tending. Plus less goalies will have the skill level to play as well as they do with 2 inchs of extra padging, and more goals WILL be scored.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/12/sports/hockey/12HOCK.html

Brodeur Objects to Proposal That Would Rein Him In

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Published: February 12, 2004
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It is not as if Brodeur spends much time back there, anyway. Brodeur went behind his net only twice in the first period of the Devils' 3-1 loss on Wednesday to the Rangers, one more time than Rangers goaltender Mike Dunham.

In each case, Brodeur shoved the puck away from the goal before a charging Rangers player had a chance to get it. During a Rangers power play in the third period, Brodeur went behind his goal, gathered it in and fired an outlet pass up the ice. "I don't have a problem with the making the pads smaller, but the rules about where to go and when to go — I don't know about that one," Brodeur said Tuesday.

Devils General Manager Lou Lamoriello, who participated in the meeting, stopped far short of criticizing the league in an interview Wednesday, but he also made it clear he was not in favor of limiting a goaltender's ability to play the puck.

"They thought by less handling of the puck in certain areas would create more forechecking, but I certainly don't agree with that," Lamoriello said after the first period.

Asked if the proposed rules change was directed at Brodeur, Lamoriello said: "I would hope not. There's no one who plays the puck better than he does, and I would think there would be some thought in people's minds of that. But he was not singled out."
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From the same NY Times article:

"I believe Marty will certainly adjust and do the things that need to be done," Lamoriello said. "I'm not here to defend him. He will adjust if need be."

Marty should consider it a compliment that the league had to take away a skill he refined and became the best at. I disagree with it being intended for Marty and marty only. It takes no skill for a goalie to go out and stop a rim around and then stick your ass out to the forechecker and move the puck as he breezes by you. It killed the forecheck and every goalie and i mean EVERY goalie does it. That is what they are taking away as much as anything. I actually think the goalie should be able to stop a rim around but then has to go back to his net. I'm not that enamored with D men having to dangerously chase pucks everywhere.

Who decided goalies don't have the right to play the puck? Is there an NHL charter of rights and freedoms that I'm not aware of?

Sure, it's called the NHL rule book. Like any other governing body, the NHL needs to change its rules (laws) to suit the times. When the rules were written there was no need to limit goalies handling the puck because it simply didn't happen to the point it is now.