Devils '08 Hardware - Marty for Hart/Vezina? Madden for Selke?

The regular season is over. There's a few days before the playoffs let's talk about the hardware.

Marty for Hart?

As much as I love Brodeur, I've gotta hand this one to Ovechkin. His play this year has been inspired, consistent, and at times, completely unstoppable. Even when kept off the score-board he was a presence. With the Caps in the second season it's hard to look past what Ovechkin has done.

Marty for Vezina?
Absolutely. Brodeur's only competition is Nabakov and the defense in San Jose coupled with better scoring ability shifts the award in Marty's favor.

Madden for Selke?
Tough competition from Zetterberg and Datsyuk and his +/- works against him. I don't think he'll win it this year even if he's the best defensive forward.

Any other Devils up for any awards?

will talk about this in june after we raise the best hardware of them all the cup:handclap:

Go Devils

Marty wont win the Hart so dont get your hopes up

why on earth would Marty get the hart?

why on earth would Marty get the hart?

:shakehead

Seriously do you post anything of relevance? Not saying that Marty will get it, but do you realize how far he took the team this year?

marty will get the vezina, madden will get the selke.

i think nabokov will get the vezina.

:shakehead

Seriously do you post anything of relevance? Not saying that Marty will get it, but do you realize how far he took the team this year?

yeah, but have you seen what other players around the league have been doing?

yeah, but have you seen what other players around the league have been doing?

I've been following the season quite closely. Marty means more to his team than anyother player in the league besides Ovechkin. Marty deserves a nomination for the award. With this group in front of him, it's a crime if he doesn't.

ovechkin will win the MVP easily

I've been following the season quite closely. Marty means more to his team than anyother player in the league besides Ovechkin. Marty deserves a nomination for the award. With this group in front of him, it's a crime if he doesn't.

i never said he shouldn't get nominated. I just don't know how you could think he would actually win.

I mean, unless he carries them even farther into the playoffs then I say it goes to OV.

i never said he shouldn't get nominated. I just don't know how you could think he would actually win.

I mean, unless he carries them even farther into the playoffs then I say it goes to OV.

The only award where post-season performance is a factor is the Conn Smythe. All other award voting is done before the playoffs begin.

Marty should win the Vezina. A few weeks ago, I'd say he'd win it running away, but it should be much closer now. Nabokov will obviously be second.

Of all the names I've seen bandied about for Selke, Madden SHOULD win it. I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL gave it to Datsyuk though... which I'll hate. I don't think the Selke should go to primarily offensive players who also play good defense. I do expect Madden to be a finalist, and there's a decent chance he'll win.

As for Hart, Ovechkin has it locked up. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Marty finished second or third. I'd give him my second place vote if I were voting.

Sutter has an outside shot at a nomination for coach of the year, but the Devils' late season swoon probably cost him a chance at a nomination.

Brodeur- Vezina
Ovechkin- Hart
Selke- Should go to Madden, but wont

Marty will probably be without any personal awards this year, the bias against the Devils is too obvious. Everyone will overlook the fact that Brodeur has brought a non-playoff team to the top in the East standings.

Hart will go to Ovechkin..and rightfully so. Marty will be one of the three candidates, but he obviously won't get it.

The Vezina SHOULD go to Brodeur and he deserves it more, but it will probably go to Nabokov.

That 5 game spell ended Marty's vezina hopes. Brodeur should win it though, he didn't get Campbell at the deadline to help his team go on a ten game winning streak. That team gelled when they got the last piece of their missing puzzle. We filled nothing.

Im having a hard time seeing any of our beloved Devils receiving any awards this season.

For the exact reasons DF pointed out above.

Im having a hard time seeing any of our beloved Devils receiving any awards this season.

For the exact reasons DF pointed out above.

Thanks Brit. Obviously we'd all like to see Brodeur win it, but Nabokov has two more wins than Marty, 7 less regulation losses, and 2 more over time losses. So in the same amount of games played Brodeur has 5 more losses, and guess where that came from? Yep, you know it.

If Brodeur doesn't win the Vezina then I guess the Vezina is a "whoever has the most wins" competition. Seriously, Nabakov has a much better team in front of him and his save percantage is much lower then Marty's.

Ovechkin will win heart. When's the last time we saw a 60+ goal scorer that got a team to the playoffs. Yes, Marty has dragged us into the playoffs too but it just doesn't look as good since we always make the playoffs and people don't understand this.

The Selke would not go to Madden this year. It'd probably go to Datsyuk, his +/- is amazing and he's just a overall great player so they won't give it to madden.

Thanks Brit. Obviously we'd all like to see Brodeur win it, but Nabokov has two more wins than Marty, 7 less regulation losses, and 2 more over time losses. So in the same amount of games played Brodeur has 5 more losses, and guess where that came from? Yep, you know it.

Yuck, dont even get me started.

If not for our poor divisional play, the team would be flying and considered cup favourites.

Nabakov had a solid season in San Jose. You can't always take stats into play, but I know he carried that team for awhile while the superstars were out.

That said, they have a MUCH better team. Its a toss up who will win. Marty is not winning the Vezina. AO was electrifying

Madden might get the Selke, or he'll at least finish second

I think Nabokov will win the Vezina because he has better numbers in 3 of the 4 major categories under consideration (GAA, Wins, Shutouts) and he is not the reigning Vezina winner. I think despite my opinion that Marty means more to his team, the votes will go away from him because they can make a solid argument against giving it to him.

I will be surprised if Marty doesn't win the Vezina. If it were the writers who voted the award instead of the GMs, I would be worried about the recent hype surrounding Nabby. In the end, I think it will come down to the fact that Brodeur has so much less to work with and still was only 2 wins behind Nabokov and the GMs know that. Most of them are probably thinking "Damn, 6 of the Devils 9 defenseman wouldn't even have made the top 6 on my team."

I think they would have had a hard time not giving it to Nabokov if he had tied the wins record but I think the loss to the Kings killed his chances.

Madden might get the Selke, or he'll at least finish second

He'll finish 2nd AGAIN... unless some of the voters actually feel he deserves it finally being out from behind the Rod Brindamour shadow.

Marty finished with only 2 wins less than Nabokov, it's not like Nabokov blew him away. Marty and Nabokov were the only goalies to reach 40 wins this year.

The thing that Marty has going for him is that the Vezina will be decided by the GM's in this league. They know that Marty has identical stats to Nabokov, albeit better SV%, and he plays in a more offensive conference and against the best players. All this on a much worse team than Nabokov has in SJ.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brodeur got a few more 'reputation' points over Nabokov. But with the 30 GMs voting, it's an imperfect process. If you looked at last year's voting it did seem a little suspicious:

Brodeur: 16 first place votes, 14 second place vote
Luongo: 14 fist place votes, 15 second place votes, 1 third place vote

Might be a little too simple to assume that all 15 Eastern GMs voted for Marty, and 14 Western GMs voted for Luongo. And there was one rogue Western GM who voted Luongo third......and gave Niklas Backstrom a second place vote.

Might come down to that again....say if Lundqvist gets consideration, that'd hurt Marty's chances. Or if Luongo (or some other Western goalie) took some votes away from Nabokov.

As for Selke, I'm 100% convinced that a noticeable amount of the voters have lost touch with what that award means. Check out the voting tallies from last year: http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2007/06/nhl-awards-voting-tallies.html

Suffice to say, I'd like to have a word with the 3 voters who thought Thomas Vanek was the best defensive forward in the NHL.

Anyways, the voting process can/will be flawed so don't get a lack of a trophy detract from a good season.

Plus it seems like the votes should be weighted more then they are. 24 GMs voted Sam Pahlsson for the best.... and only 16 voted for Rod the Bod.
Yet Rod won cause he had more overall points. It looks even though he wasn't voted #1 as much, he was on more GMs top 5 list... which I think has some flaws

i thought i heard that white was up for the masterton

Marty finished with only 2 wins less than Nabokov, it's not like Nabokov blew him away. Marty and Nabokov were the only goalies to reach 40 wins this year.

The thing that Marty has going for him is that the Vezina will be decided by the GM's in this league. They know that Marty has identical stats to Nabokov, albeit better SV%, and he plays in a more offensive conference and against the best players. All this on a much worse team than Nabokov has in SJ.

Agreed. The GMs tend to go for the more established player, rather than player of the moment.

Last year, Marty had slightly better stats in all four categories than Luongo and barely eeked out a win. Luongo had the benefit of playing for a team that was seen as worse than the Devils by some, or at least just as bad.

This year, I don't know how anyone could say the Devils are worse than San Jose, either defensively or in goal support. Nabakov is slightly better in wins, shutouts, and GAA, but Brodeur has a large lead in Save %. It'll be interesting to see what the GMs do, but my guess is Brodeur will win by a larger margin than last year.

I think Nabokov will win the Vezina because he has better numbers in 3 of the 4 major categories under consideration (GAA, Wins, Shutouts)

Yep. That will give it Nabokov and he certainly is deserving of it. The only way I could have seen Brodeur win the Vezina and still be behind in those same 3 of 4 catergories is if he had an incredible Hasek-like .930 or higher save percentage.

Things would come full circle for Brodeur in that case as that scenario is precisely how Hasek beat out Brodeur for the Vezina back in the 90's.

i thought i heard that white was up for the masterton
He is, every team has a nominee. But either Pisani or Blake will (deservingly) win it.

i dont see what nabokov has over brodeur. yes he is barely beating him in GAA, wins, and SOs. Marty slaughtered Nabokov in SV%, played more munutes in the same amount of GP (was pulled less), and faced almost 300 more shots (which means his team was much worse). not to mention the sharks scoring 16 more goals. how could it be given to nabokov?

Throw stats out the window. How many GM's will say "I'd rather have Nabokov on my team."? Although does Brett Hull have a vote as co-GM or whatever he is? There's one vote Marty can forget about.

Throw stats out the window. How many GM's will say "I'd rather have Nabokov on my team."? Although does Brett Hull have a vote as co-GM or whatever he is? There's one vote Marty can forget about.

Brett Hull is a turd who clearly loves hitting the sauce. Does that guy ever NOT look wasted?

I'd be more inclined to give my vote to a homeless person with a mental disease than that bum.