Canucks Draft 2008 Thread - 10th Overall [Archive]

Kataklysm666

04-04-2008, 04:09 AM

Well the one upside is that our prospect pool will continue to grow...
Dudes, if we had traded our 1st rounder away and got lets say Richards... got into the playoffs and lost in the second round, we would be setting ourselves up the following year for the season we had just now. Why are teams now a days winning? Because of good drafting... the rental players are just not worth it. Good luck Dallas, you arent going to win the cup. San Jose is my bet, (i think they traded their first and Bernier for Cambell, correct me if im wrong) but the only rental winner is them and I can see Cambell coming back to them next year.

With Raymond, Schneider, Bourdon, Edler... in our pool, and whatever we get this next year, even though we missed the playoffs, I think the Canucks, for the future anyways, are looking better than ever. If we are lucky and get another Kesler (honestly who of you thought Kesler would become the player he is today, I used to hate this guy as I thought he was a busted first rounder but now hes one of my top Canucks)

I forgot to mention Grabner and Hansen also, will these guys be ready for next year? I think they'll be ready soon.

Another thing I forgot, Richards is still under contract for another year? or two? At 7-8 million or so. Its just not hockey smart.

Even though tonight we have missed the playoffs, I tip my hat to Nonis, good job man, theres no point in trying to make an attempt at something we dont have a chance at... yeah an extended playoff run would be nice and with Luongo its not farfetched to say that we could've made the finals and possibly won the cup... but on the other hand, I nor have you seen the Luongo of last year for a while... this summer off might be good for him ( i just saw his interview, he was nearly crying, sniffing his nose, i feel bad for him, naslund has 9 shots also, but he didn't seem nearly as upset as Luongo, Linden was business as always but we know hes just used to this **** by now )

Man its upsetting, obviously this year was ruined by injuries... who would could guess what this team would have done with Morrison, Krajicek, Miller, Salo, Ohlund being healthy ALL year... not to mention if Bieksa hadn't got hurt early on and when he came back he clearly wasn't himself... I think its just the sophmore jynx. Bieksa is the man and will be back next year better than ever, and WILL earn his pay.

Lets just hope our scouts find the right guy for our team, someone who can score and play defense...

The last thing I want to say is... is AVs system really the best for the Canucks? One thing I noticed about Luongo is that he plays better when he gets tons of action... his saves then give the team extra energy and drive, for myself, if I was a Canuck and I saw Luongo rob Iginla or some other superstar on a huge chance id be like, cmon boys we gotta get one for Robbie. While I was just a petty checking center in my amateur career, you do get a bit of jump when your goalie makes a huge save, **** we'd be patting eachother on the back as if we had just made that save and pumping eachother up for the next shift.

Sorry for the long post, I am drunk.

Hedberg

04-04-2008, 04:11 AM

1)It's a deep draft.
2)It's top heavy with defensemen.

It's top heavy with centers as well, which from an organizational needs point of view is great.

sticknrink

04-04-2008, 04:23 AM

It's top heavy with centers as well, which from an organizational needs point of view is great.

So you're saying we're selecting a goalie.

timw33

04-04-2008, 04:24 AM

Got a helluva lot closer to Colin Wilson tonight.

Edler Von Gud

04-04-2008, 04:28 AM

It's top heavy with centers as well, which from an organizational needs point of view is great.

I don't really think we have to draft a centre with our 1st, but we do have to find a young #2 centre through trade before or after the draft. Organizational needs change with just a couple moves so not taking a stud winger or defenseman because we don't have much depth down the middle right now could be foolish down the road. Just say for instance that the Canucks dealt Sedins for Jokinen, and traded Schneider+Bieksa for Carter. Suddenly you have Jokinen-Carter-Kesler down the middle for the next whatever amount of years. I mean if one of the Top 4 D in the draft falls to us would you not take them just because we have horrible Center depth among our prospects and are deep on young defenseman?

Edler Von Gud

04-04-2008, 04:32 AM

So you're saying we're selecting a goalie.

thankfully there is no goalies that are worthy of a top 15 pick. I do like Markstrom, Pickard, and Satteri, just not with our 1st. They would all be great value at our 2nd round pick if they are still around, and hard to pass up even if we have Luongo with Schneider in the wings.

pitseleh

04-04-2008, 04:35 AM

Tank for Filatov!!!!

Good news is that we could have as low as the #10 pick I think.

Too bad either way we'll draft the 37th ranked player..

If all goes well the Canucks could finish with the 10th worst record. Best case scenario is that the team wins the lottery (unlikely). Likely scenario is that they end up with the 13th pick though considering they'll probably win against Calgary now that there is nothing to play for.

Kataklysm666

04-04-2008, 04:39 AM

I draft the best available player... just kidding, get the best center available... a good center is not easy to come by... look at Kesler, this guy is ****in gungho, we needed him more than anything. Kesler should wear an A next year, how many goals did he get this year? 21? As a 3rd liner? Kesler and Burrows should be co-captains as they seem to be the only guys who actually brought their game, every game, this year. Credits to Ohlund Mitchell and Luongo as well.

YogiCanucks

04-04-2008, 04:40 AM

NHL you don't draft by possition. You just take the best player there.

04-04-2008, 04:40 AM

So you're saying we're selecting a goalie.

Enforcer.

YogiCanucks

04-04-2008, 04:47 AM

Enforcer.

A journeyman who in 30 year will become a coach.

VanCity Millionaires

04-04-2008, 03:07 PM

Um, Admin is there any chance you could merge and sticky the 2008 Draft threads that are lying around? It will be helpful over the next few months to try and keep all the info in one place.

Also does anyone know a good place to find the projected top 60 picks in this years draft?

Canuck71

04-04-2008, 03:47 PM

Josh Bailey would be a good pick, Joe Colborne aint gunna go top 15.

Tb0ne

04-04-2008, 04:55 PM

This from James Mirtle's blog,
The first 14 picks of the 2008 Entry Draft are determined by the NHL’s annual Draft Drawing, a weighted lottery system that is used to determine the order of selection. The 14 teams that do not qualify for the 2008 Stanley Cup Playoffs, or clubs that acquired those clubs’ 2008 first-round draft picks, participate in the drawing. The Club selected in the drawing may not move up more than four positions in the draft order, thus only the five Clubs with the fewest regular-season points have the opportunity to select first overall. No Club can move down more than one position as a result of the Draft Drawing.
http://mirtle.blogspot.com/

Unless I'm missing something we could be drafting as high as 6th overall if we finish 10th from last (which is possible but fairly unlikely). And even if we could move up to the 10th overall pick that would make a huge difference as far as building a team that can compete while Luongo is here (especially if we can put together a package to move up and draft someone like Schenn, Filatov, etc).

membleypeg

04-04-2008, 04:56 PM

Enforcer.

Grab centers with the first three picks. Next, get some big tough enforcers with the last 3 picks. Hopefully one of them will make the club soon and take care of business. I am tired of watching the Sedin's get face washed and all of our defence taking a pounding.

Edler Von Gud

04-04-2008, 05:00 PM

Grab centers with the first three picks. Next, get some big tough enforcers with the last 3 picks. Hopefully one of them will make the club soon and take care of business. I am tired of watching the Sedin's get face washed and all of our defence taking a pounding.

just sign an enforcer, or find one off the undrafted free agent pile. No need to waste a draft pick on another Marc Andre Roy. What we should draft in the 2nd or 3rd rounds is players that play similar to Milan Lucic, which is why I'm hoping we nab AJ Jenks in the 2nd round as I think he could play on the 3rd or 4th line as soon as 09.

Barney Gumble

04-04-2008, 05:08 PM

So you're saying we're selecting a goalie.
Please - how many goalies look good or work hard in practice?;)

ItsAllPartOfThePlan

04-04-2008, 05:40 PM

where are the draft avatars?

orcatown

04-04-2008, 06:22 PM

Edler Von Gud

04-04-2008, 06:34 PM

Myers looks like a hell of prospect. Know he's a defenseman but has huge upside. If he's there when you go to draft might be able to trade the pick. Also putting him in the pipeline allows you to trade away some of the younger defensive propects for help up frontt. Think this player will be rising in the rankings as we closer to the draft.

We need to lose on Saturday but probably won't

I like Myers potential as well, I'm just curious if the canucks need to spend a high first on a project defenseman? are we deep enough prospect wise to be able to use our 1st round pick on a guy who will likely need two more years of junior and one more in the AHL? It might make more sense to trade up a few spots to grab one of the top 4 defenseman(or top two or three forwards) in this draft who have the chance to help you out sooner considering Luongo won't be in his prime forever.

Tb0ne

04-04-2008, 10:47 PM

How mobile of a skater is Mayers anyways? Because one of the reports I've read seemed to suggest he's a better skater for his size than Chara is.

DreamCatcher

04-04-2008, 10:53 PM

Myers sounds like an intriguing prospect,

Does anyone know the definite top 10 players of the draft?

Milvesof Brown

04-04-2008, 11:04 PM

If we have the chance to select Filatov, we will undoubtedly pass on him.

Brownie

04-04-2008, 11:25 PM

If we have the chance to select Filatov, we will undoubtedly pass on him.

Not necessarily. The Canucks have taken 2 Russians in the last 2 drafts, so its not like Nonis is anit-Russian. He is still a bit of gamble though, and Nonis might not be willing to take that with a 10-13 pick. I don't think Filatov will fall that far though.

fogducker

04-04-2008, 11:29 PM

Not necessarily. The Canucks have taken 2 Russians in the last 2 drafts, so its not like Nonis is anit-Russian. He is still a bit of gamble though, and Nonis might not be willing to take that with a 10-13 pick. I don't think Filatov will fall that far though.

Check the Prospects section

Filatov basically says that he wants to either play in the AHL/or NHL

DreamCatcher

04-04-2008, 11:43 PM

Check the Prospects section

Filatov basically says that he wants to either play in the AHL/or NHL

If NYI or Toronto Maple leafs pass on him then he is basically ours since I predict the other teams will pick a defenceman or one of the coveted North American forwards.

MG91

04-05-2008, 05:47 AM

Not necessarily. The Canucks have taken 2 Russians in the last 2 drafts, so its not like Nonis is anit-Russian. He is still a bit of gamble though, and Nonis might not be willing to take that with a 10-13 pick. I don't think Filatov will fall that far though.

No one thought Alexei Cherepanov was going to fall that far. he was expected to go top 5, but he went 17. Im just saying, you never know in the draft especially with foreign players

AgentNaslund*

04-05-2008, 06:11 AM

04-05-2008, 06:23 AM

"best player available" to Canucks drafting means, a guy that is the next "safest" pick. They rather draft a for sure 4thliner, vs a guy that have mad potential.

I hope they draft someone that have nhl potential. Grabner is still a project player, he has speed, he has skill, but nothing labeling of a great super prospect.

Your first paragraph and your second paragraph don't seem to match up.

Grabner, who you classify as a "project player", was hardly a "safe" pick, and was definitely a lot closer to a guy with "mad potential" than a "for sure 4thliner."

Pat White, a kid out of highschool and longterm project, was, again, hardly a safe pick.

Mason Raymond, a scrawny overager from Jr A, reaching on Taylor Ellington, I'm not seeing those as particularly safe uses of 2nd round picks.

Hard to Believe

04-05-2008, 11:02 AM

Does anyone know the definite top 10 players of the draft?

Well, the only "definite" list is the one that will be on the big board at Scotia Bank Place about one third of the way through the first round . . .

Aside from the obvious HF and Central Scouting / ISS sources, two sites with differing levels of content are:

http://www.mynhldraft.com/

this site is getting better and it is handy to review past first rounds.

Also see the regular monthly columns of Kyle Woodlief in USA Today (who always has one or two off the board insights) – he also usually has a chat session just before the draft. Woodlief and his staff often has different opinions than NHL scouts (which he acknowledges) but I find his observations on sleepers and later round guys helpful in pointing out some guys to research a bit further. See:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/index.htm

His main website is at: http://www.redlinereport.com/

fogducker

04-05-2008, 01:20 PM

I'm not sold on Kyle Beach after his disapointing playoff performance

If Filatov is available canucks should grab him

I would also be interested in Mikkel Boedker

Peter Griffin

04-05-2008, 01:43 PM

I'm not sold on Kyle Beach after his disapointing playoff performance

Same here, I think he could be a faller come draft day. Could become the next Chad Kilger, Jason Bonsignore etc.

With Filatov stating he's committed to coming to North America and will play wherever his new team wants him to should cement him as a top 5 pick.

The Pepper

04-05-2008, 02:43 PM

Well, the only "definite" list is the one that will be on the big board at Scotia Bank Place about one third of the way through the first round . . .

Aside from the obvious HF and Central Scouting / ISS sources, two sites with differing levels of content are:

http://www.mynhldraft.com/

this site is getting better and it is handy to review past first rounds.

Also see the regular monthly columns of Kyle Woodlief in USA Today (who always has one or two off the board insights) – he also usually has a chat session just before the draft. Woodlief and his staff often has different opinions than NHL scouts (which he acknowledges) but I find his observations on sleepers and later round guys helpful in pointing out some guys to research a bit further. See:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/index.htm

His main website is at: http://www.redlinereport.com/ I would be quite happy if we got Boychuk also i didn't know Filatow only weighs 159 lbs

Thom Yorke

04-05-2008, 02:55 PM

I am an expert on the draft. I spend half the year watching Junior from all over Canada

1st, Mikkel Boedker of Kitchener (OHL), if he is available we have to draft him. All around good player who has the tools to become a top-flite winger. if he's there. We draft him. Josh Bailey of Windsor (OHL) as well could be a consideration, plays a similar game to Boedker. But if Mikkel Boedker is still available by the time we pick, by golly lets draft him. Colborne is a close reckoning but he is not a top 15 pick.

2nd round.... maybe Joel Broda of Moose Jaw (WHL) or Geordie Wudrick of Swift Current (WHL), these guys are the type that could proove to be a good pick. 2 responsible strong forwards who could fit with the nucks.

3rd round, I'd be happy if we selected Joonas Rask of Blues in Finland with this selection. Rask plays alot like Mikko Koivu who has a very offensive game, With a bit of work Rask could be a 3rd round steal.

More coming later....

AgentNaslund*

04-05-2008, 03:10 PM

Your first paragraph and your second paragraph don't seem to match up.

Grabner, who you classify as a "project player", was hardly a "safe" pick, and was definitely a lot closer to a guy with "mad potential" than a "for sure 4thliner."

Pat White, a kid out of highschool and longterm project, was, again, hardly a safe pick.

Mason Raymond, a scrawny overager from Jr A, reaching on Taylor Ellington, I'm not seeing those as particularly safe uses of 2nd round picks.

a haha, cool

My first paragraph is telling what, What the Canucks will do.

My 2nd paragraph is saying what I wish the Canucks will do.

Tb0ne

04-05-2008, 03:30 PM

Peter Griffin

04-05-2008, 03:34 PM

I think the Canucks should be targeting a center with this draft pick. Who are the top centers available?

Edler Von Gud

04-05-2008, 03:39 PM

I agree with everyone that drafting Beach would be a fairly significant risk (maybe not worth taking) but the upside is that we find (almost) a dream player for the Sedin line. He's a big right handed shot with pest qualities who fights, hits, has some passing skill, and a pretty hard shot. And while I'm just repeating what I've read on HFBoards/TSN.ca, "It's easier to put out a fire than to start one". If our coaching staff and leadership can get through to him he could be very effective.

D.Sedin - H.Sedin - Beach

The risks? he has concussion problems, the number of times he's been one punched (although after seeing that video it looks like he wasn't even expecting it), attitude problems, suspension waiting to happen, skating issues, and his lack of production in the 2nd half of the season continuing into the playoffs.

As for Boedker he definatly has some upside but where do people see him fitting on the team?

Left handed shot that plays RW,

D.Sedin - H.Sedin - Boedker
or
Raymond - ?????? - Boedker

I would feel for any defense that had to face a lineup with Grabner, Raymond, Boedker, Kesler, and Hansen amongst it's forwards. We would be praying for a Northwest team to sign Hal Gill so we could laugh as our forwards did laps around him.

Edler Von Gud

04-05-2008, 03:41 PM

I think the Canucks should be targeting a center with this draft pick. Who are the top centers available?
off the top of my head:

Stamkos
Wilson
Hodgson
Boychuk
Colborne
Bailey
Ellis

Tb0ne

04-05-2008, 03:41 PM

I think the Canucks should be targeting a center with this draft pick. Who are the top centers available?

Stamkos, Hodgson, Beach (C/RW), Wilson, Bailey, Boychuk, Eberle, and Nemisz.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11183&hubname=

DreamCatcher

04-05-2008, 03:49 PM

Joe Colborne seems to be rated in 25-30th range which makes me more confident that Nonis will pick him.

AgentNaslund*

04-05-2008, 04:05 PM

Mr. Canucklehead

04-05-2008, 04:06 PM

What exactly is the story on Kyle Beach's attitude problems?

If he's available when we pick, I would be upset if we DIDN'T pick him. Big guy, 6'3 200+ lbs, center/winger, with scoring ability and toughness? Sounds like the kind of guy we could use to help out our offense.

Joe Colborne is my dark horse pick(ranked 25th, but see where we end up picking). Also a big bodied, talented player with good wheels. Also comes from an area the Canucks have drafted out of with some success recently(AJHL, Raymond).

Other guys I like which may not fit into the "big center" mold: Jordan Eberle, Mitch Wahl

~Canucklehead~

Peter Griffin

04-05-2008, 04:08 PM

Stamkos, Hodgson, Beach (C/RW), Wilson, Bailey, Boychuk, Eberle, and Nemisz.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11183&hubname=

Cool, thanks for the link.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 04:10 PM

Maybe we can package something up and get jokinen here

Edler Von Gud

04-05-2008, 04:11 PM

a quick update, Canucks just has to lose, and Buffalo have to win, and we get the 11the spot. Chicago gets the tie breaker, against us, even if they lose tonight, and still end up with 88 points. Just hope ...

Our Expansion cousins, win
WE lose.

High pick here we come.

if we lose in regulation all Buffalo has to do is get a point to overtake us in the standings. We can actually end up with the 10th overall pick if we lose and Buffalo gets a point.

the better the pick, the better chances we have at trading up and getting one of the magnificent seven.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 04:12 PM

if we lose in regulation all Buffalo has to do is get a point to overtake us in the standings. We can actually end up with the 10th overall pick if we lose and Buffalo gets a point.

and we could quite possibly move up to the 6th overall pick

:sarcasm:

Peter Griffin

04-05-2008, 04:35 PM

off the top of my head:

Stamkos
Wilson
Hodgson
Boychuk
Colborne
Bailey
Ellis

What type of player is Colin Wilson? I've heard he might project to a more defensive player at the NHL level, is that accurate? What about Hodgson, what's his story? If the Canucks get the 10th overall pick I'd like to see them trade up and try to grab one of the top centers available.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 04:50 PM

What type of player is Colin Wilson? I've heard he might project to a more defensive player at the NHL level, is that accurate? What about Hodgson, what's his story? If the Canucks get the 10th overall pick I'd like to see them trade up and try to grab one of the top centers available.

wilson is a pretty good player with only avg speed..

Zelecki

04-05-2008, 05:10 PM

1). Josh Bailey
2). Zach Boychuk
3). Hodgson
4). Colin Wilson

wetcoastwhale

04-05-2008, 05:24 PM

I remember reading in a thread (somewhere in the Prospects area) recounting one game where a large number of NHL scouts came to watch Joe Colborne play. He was aware of the scouts in the crowd, and apparently he played terribly, including playing a complete "no-hitter" with absolute zero physicality. Apparently he made such a negative opinion in this chance to shine that some of the scouts were saying their team would never draft a guy with such "desire" issues.

I have warning flags when I think of Colborne, and would rather they go in a different direction (2nd round pick might be a different story). I have this bad feeling that we would be seeing MA Bernier vs. 2 , a power forward with little to no "power" or grit.

AgentNaslund*

04-05-2008, 05:30 PM

I think we should stick with the quicker players. I dont know about this Joe Colborne guy. Got size got speed, yea true, Umberger and David Steckell had it, they are full time NHLers, but they are the nothing special type. unless hes a bigger version of Jarret Stoll or something then thats a diffrent story. Ranked 25th? guys, we have a top 13 pick right now, not sure if this is the year we wanan go off the boards, but honestly, I rather stick With Kyle Beech, or a quicker player. We have a high pick we should utilize it.

wetcoastwhale

04-05-2008, 05:43 PM

From what I have read of Bailey, he has impressed in the playoffs this year and has had a very solid year all around. He apparently plays with determination and has an all-around game, but few stand-out traits which might make him a break-out player in the NHL. I think he would be the "safe" pick which everyone seems to be be so sensitive about, and will probably play in the league for a while, but he won't ever be in any all-star game or play on the first power-play unit (though he might be a good PKer) from what I hear. He dose need to get bigger and I could see him as a dependable and valuable player.

wetcoastwhale

04-05-2008, 05:55 PM

I know nothing about Hodgson.

Colin Wilson has apparently impressed, eventhough he is nearly a year older than most of his draft class. His numbers in the NCAA are very good for a first-year player (35 points in 37 games), winning rookie of the year for BU. He also played well for the Americans at the WJC with 6 goals. He is big (6"1, 205), skilled and would be ready to play sooner than later. I think we would be fortunate to get Wilson, but might have to trade up to pick him.

Pauser

04-05-2008, 05:56 PM

Here's a darkhorse who's stock has fallen quite a bit:

Zach Boychuk

Yes he's small, but this kid was ranked right up there at around 3rd overall at the end of last season. He's the best player on his team and I really think he'll do great things in the NHL.

Other players who I like are Joe Colbourne, Colin Wilson and Jordan Eberle, but if Boychuk drops to us we would be wise to snag him.

Brownie

04-05-2008, 06:05 PM

What exactly is the story on Kyle Beach's attitude problems?

One story I've heard is when he made fun of Milan Lucic's medical condition which makes his back sort of hunched. Pretty cold. Although I belive he later apologized to Lucic.

StrictlyCommercial

04-05-2008, 06:10 PM

I would love to see Filatov drop to us, but it seems very doubtful.Other than Filatov and Stamkos it really does not seem like any of the forwards have 'superstar' potential. If we do get a high pick (top 10) and Filatov is gone we should definitely consider taking a D-Man (Schenn, Myers, Bogosian, Pietrangelo etc. if they drop). Within three years we may have signed Jeff Carter and have center depth of Sedin-Carter-Kesler, its never a good idea to draft based on current need, if there's gamebreaker available you need to take them.

Pauser

04-05-2008, 06:24 PM

BerSTUzzi

04-05-2008, 06:27 PM

1). Josh Bailey
2). Zach Boychuk
3). Hodgson
4). Colin Wilson

They are actually currently ranked exact opposite of what you have there

Hodgson
Wilson
Boychuk
Bailey

DreamCatcher

04-05-2008, 06:54 PM

Hypothetically speaking,

If Canucks ultimately end up with the 6th overall choice, would it be wise to draft one of the coveted defenceman?

04-05-2008, 06:57 PM

a haha, cool

My first paragraph is telling what, What the Canucks will do.

My 2nd paragraph is saying what I wish the Canucks will do.

So, again, which of those players are the "sure thing 4th liners?"

StrictlyCommercial

04-05-2008, 07:45 PM

Hypothetically speaking,

If Canucks ultimately end up with the 6th overall choice, would it be wise to draft one of the coveted defenceman?

Definitely, UNLESS Stamkos (ha!) or Filatov are available.

wetcoastwhale

04-05-2008, 07:45 PM

Hypothetically speaking,

If Canucks ultimately end up with the 6th overall choice, would it be wise to draft one of the coveted defenceman?

My thinking is that, due to the prevalence of top end D-men in this draft (a la 2003, with Phaneuf, Suter, Coburn, Burns, Seabrook in the 1st round), there might be a very good D-men still available in the second round (perhaps like a Weber or Klein) whereas the drop-off forwards-wise might be more precipitous. I mean, if Schenn is available when the Canucks pick, that is a no-brainer, but that isn't likely.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 07:47 PM

yep i agree

you should either draft the d-man or look to trade down a few spots

04-05-2008, 07:51 PM

I agree with everyone that drafting Beach would be a fairly significant risk (maybe not worth taking) but the upside is that we find (almost) a dream player for the Sedin line. He's a big right handed shot with pest qualities who fights, hits, has some passing skill, and a pretty hard shot. And while I'm just repeating what I've read on HFBoards/TSN.ca, "It's easier to put out a fire than to start one". If our coaching staff and leadership can get through to him he could be very effective.

D.Sedin - H.Sedin - Beach

The risks? he has concussion problems, the number of times he's been one punched (although after seeing that video it looks like he wasn't even expecting it), attitude problems, suspension waiting to happen, skating issues, and his lack of production in the 2nd half of the season continuing into the playoffs.

As for Boedker he definatly has some upside but where do people see him fitting on the team?

Left handed shot that plays RW,

D.Sedin - H.Sedin - Boedker
or
Raymond - ?????? - Boedker

It's unlikely that either of Boedker or Beach are going to see the NHL next year, and, although I'm not super on top of things on Boedker, I don't think they're a sure thing to make the show as 20 year olds. At that point, I don't think it's really all that important to draft for a guy who "fits in," as the team is likely to be fairly different by then, and if, at that point, he doesn't fit in, then he can be moved as an asset in a deal that brings back someone who fits in.

Drop the Sopel

04-05-2008, 07:59 PM

My thinking is that, due to the prevalence of top end D-men in this draft (a la 2003, with Phaneuf, Suter, Coburn, Burns, Seabrook in the 1st round), there might be a very good D-men still available in the second round (perhaps like a Weber or Klein) whereas the drop-off forwards-wise might be more precipitous. I mean, if Schenn is available when the Canucks pick, that is a no-brainer, but that isn't likely.

I agree, best player available is the best way to go.

I still think if we draft a forward in the 1st round it has to be a guy projected to be a 1st line forward. If Mikkel Boedker's available he would be a good choice. I don't think the scouting staff has earned the right to go with a relatively unknown, off the board pick. If we're drafting around #10 we better not take a guy that was projected to go late in the 1st round. I would be happy if Bob McKenzie just made our selection.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 08:01 PM

I agree, best player available is the best way to go.

I still think if we draft a forward in the 1st round it has to be a guy projected to be a 1st line forward. If Mikkel Boedker's available he would be a good choice. I don't think the scouting staff has earned the right to go with a relatively unknown, off the board pick. If we're drafting around #10 we better not take a guy that was projected to go late in the 1st round. I would be happy if Bob McKenzie just made our selection.

i hope our OHL drafting this year with the addition of that new scout..

Edler Von Gud

04-05-2008, 08:07 PM

i hope our OHL drafting this year with the addition of that new scout..

When's the last time we drafted/developed someone half decent from the OHL? that league almost doesn't exist to our scouts or isn't given the attention it deserves because a lot of good two way heart and soul players are produced in that league. There is always a couple OHL guys who werent' 1st round picks who end up being huge parts of World Junior teams and go on to have great careers in the nhl, like Halischuk and Mattias. I'd love for us to land one of those type of players with our 2nd or 3rd round pick.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 08:12 PM

When's the last time we drafted/developed someone half decent from the OHL? that league almost doesn't exist to our scouts or isn't given the attention it deserves because a lot of good two way heart and soul players are produced in that league. There is always a couple OHL guys who werent' 1st round picks who end up being huge parts of World Junior teams and go on to have great careers in the nhl, like Halischuk and Mattias. I'd love for us to land one of those type of players with our 2nd or 3rd round pick.

well the guy from san jose joined the scouting staff this year so i'm expecting big things

Edler Von Gud

04-05-2008, 08:15 PM

well the guy from san jose joined the scouting staff this year so i'm expecting big things

what's his background? I know the sharks had a nice 2003 draft, but does he have a solid background in OHL scouting?

DreamCatcher

04-05-2008, 08:53 PM

what's his background? I know the sharks had a nice 2003 draft, but does he have a solid background in OHL scouting?

Dave Nonis announced today that the Canucks have added long time scout Ray Payne to Ron Delorme’s Amateur Scouting staff and former Canucks defenceman Lars Lindgren to their Pro Scouting Department.

Ray Payne is former San Jose scout and was assigned to southern ontario, he has a solid background coming from a fine organization like the Sharks. The Sharks philosophy is building within the organization so they rely heavily on their scouts to choose quality picks and have prevailed as one of the top scouting teams in the NHL with their choice of prospects.

Brownie

04-05-2008, 09:27 PM

Its pretty pathetic how the Canucks have pretty much ignored the OHL in the last few drafts. We're missing out on a lot of good players there.

Krnuckfan

04-05-2008, 10:00 PM

Ray Payne is former San Jose scout and was assigned to southern ontario, he has a solid background coming from a fine organization like the Sharks. The Sharks philosophy is building within the organization so they rely heavily on their scouts to choose quality picks and have prevailed as one of the top scouting teams in the NHL with their choice of prospects.

Anyone know the reason why he left the sharks? Maybe I'm just being a pessimist, but if he was such a good scout, why did the Sharks let him go?

Tb0ne

04-05-2008, 10:07 PM

Anyone know the reason why he left the sharks? Maybe I'm just being a pessimist, but if he was such a good scout, why did the Sharks let him go?

Good question.

pitseleh

04-05-2008, 10:10 PM

Anyone know the reason why he left the sharks? Maybe I'm just being a pessimist, but if he was such a good scout, why did the Sharks let him go?

Well, Payne was the chief scout but wasn't the top guy in the organization (they have a director of amateur scouting). Maybe he wanted an opportunity to move up into the top spot in the organization. They also had a housecleaning in San Jose the year before he left the organization (when Lombardi and Sutter were fired), so maybe it was a difference of opinion thing.

Peter Griffin

04-05-2008, 10:11 PM

Anyone know the reason why he left the sharks? Maybe I'm just being a pessimist, but if he was such a good scout, why did the Sharks let him go?

Perhaps he had no desire to remain with their organization. I don't know anything about the guy though.

DreamCatcher

04-05-2008, 10:31 PM

Buffalo lost today so if Canucks win today then they draft 10th overall.

Peter Griffin

04-05-2008, 10:34 PM

Buffalo lost today so if Canucks win today then they draft 10th overall.

Lose.

CanucksOo

04-05-2008, 10:41 PM

Buffalo lost today so if Canucks win today then they draft 10th overall.
wait, i think you meant that Buffalo won today (3-0 over Boston).

so if we lose in regulation today, then we get the 10th pick.

Thom Yorke

04-05-2008, 11:30 PM

we should take Nicolas Deschamps in 2nd round if he's still available. Whoever drafts him is getting damn lucky.

wetcoastwhale

04-05-2008, 11:40 PM

we should take Nicolas Deschamps in 2nd round if he's still available. Whoever drafts him is getting damn lucky.

I know nothing about him, and have never really heard much about him. Elaborate, if you would.

Red

04-05-2008, 11:43 PM

I'm pretty interested in Nemisz. Lots of people describing him as a Jeff Carter clone.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 11:43 PM

we're getting close to the 10th pick boys!!

Edler Von Gud

04-05-2008, 11:51 PM

I'm pretty interested in Nemisz. Lots of people describing him as a Jeff Carter clone.

don't know if he skates as well as Carter, but he could still be a nice pick in the late teens.

fogducker

04-05-2008, 11:53 PM

timw33

04-05-2008, 11:58 PM

Lose and we get 10th 40th 70th in the first three rounds.

Sweet.

And Sanford is in net, lets lock this up.

We will get a shot at Wilson/Boedker/Boychuk/Myers/Beach with 10.

Edler Von Gud

04-05-2008, 11:59 PM

wow imagine a top 10 pick in every single freaking round!!

Canucks have a great chance to stock up revamp their entire prospect shelf

Nonis better not crap the bed on this golden chance cuz i dont' want the canucks to miss the playoffs again

It could be a big difference drafting from #45 to #40 as I think there will still be some 1st round talents available at #40 who might not last much beyond that point, let alone be there at #45.

droid56

04-06-2008, 12:07 AM

But if we lose tonight couldn't the lottery bring us any position from 6th to 11th pick?

smileyface

04-06-2008, 12:15 AM

But if we lose tonight couldn't the lottery bring us any position from 6th to 11th pick?
If we lose tonight, we're getting the 10th pick. If we win the lottery (chances are very slim), we'd get the 6th pick, which would be pretty sweet.

Red

04-06-2008, 12:18 AM

But if we lose tonight couldn't the lottery bring us any position from 6th to 11th pick?

The only possibilities for us if we lose tonight (please keep sucking boys!) are: 6th, 10th, 11th. 6th and 11th are pretty slim chances as it would mean us or a team below us in the draft order winning the lottery, I think the combined chances of either of those happening is only some 5%. Therefore, 95% chance we will pick 10th.

jblaze

04-06-2008, 12:18 AM

I dunno if we should draft the best player available when the canucks pick or pick the player the canucks need the most (eg. a center)

Respect Your Edler

04-06-2008, 12:27 AM

BPA, we drafted Bourdon instead of Kopitar because we needed a defenceman at the time. (Sorry for bringing it up again.)

smileyface

04-06-2008, 12:29 AM

The only possibilities for us if we lose tonight (please keep sucking boys!) are: 6th, 10th, 11th. 6th and 11th are pretty slim chances as it would mean us or a team below us in the draft order winning the lottery, I think the combined chances of either of those happening is only some 5%. Therefore, 95% chance we will pick 10th.
Oh yeah, I forgot that there's the possibility of a team below us winning the lottery.

I dunno if we should draft the best player available when the canucks pick or pick the player the canucks need the most (eg. a center)My belief is we should draft the BPA. By the time the pick is ready to play on the NHL, our needs might be different already. BPA gives us the option of getting a better player via trade.

Peter Griffin

04-06-2008, 12:32 AM

BPA, we drafted Bourdon instead of Kopitar because we needed a defenceman at the time. (Sorry for bringing it up again.)

Exactly, gotta go with the BPA. Anyone we draft at 10th likely won't be NHL ready for at least a year or two and who knows what our center depth will look like at that point. If by some chance one of the top d-men falls to 10, I think the Canucks should take one. But the most likely scenario is that they'll be gone by the time the Canucks pick and there will be quite a few quality forwards for the Canucks to choose from.

fogducker

04-06-2008, 12:32 AM

I think it's a lock we pick tenth now

timw33

04-06-2008, 12:51 AM

I think it's a lock we pick tenth now

Pretty much.

Wilson/Myers/Boedker/Beach/Boychuck here we come.

clay

04-06-2008, 01:15 AM

Pretty much.

Wilson/Myers/Boedker/Beach/Boychuck here we come.

I'll puke if we pick Myers. We don't need a defenseman AT ALL! I don't care about BPA, but unless one of the big four d-men drops to us, there's no way we should take a d-man. It looks to me like there are 6 players that will probably get picked before us: Stamkos, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Bogosian, and Filatov. If any of them were to fall to us, we would have to take em.

That still leaves us with a few solid prospects to choose from: Wilson, Hodgson, Boychuk, Beach, Boedker. Any of these guys would make for great picks.

timw33

04-06-2008, 01:17 AM

I'll puke if we pick Myers. We don't need a defenseman AT ALL! I don't care about BPA, but unless one of the big four d-men drops to us, there's no way we should take a d-man. It looks to me like there are 6 players that will probably get picked before us: Stamkos, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, Bogosian, and Filatov. If any of them were to fall to us, we would have to take em.

That still leaves us with a few solid prospects to choose from: Wilson, Hodgson, Boychuk, Beach, Boedker. Any of these guys would make for great picks.

I say we trade down if there is a dman BPA at our spot, pick up an extra pick.

Edler Von Gud

04-06-2008, 01:20 AM

I say we trade down if there is a dman BPA at our spot, pick up an extra pick.

if one of the big four drop to us you take them no matter what. You don't pass up that kind of quality defenseman no matter how deep you are on Defense.

timw33

04-06-2008, 01:35 AM

if one of the big four drop to us you take them no matter what. You don't pass up that kind of quality defenseman no matter how deep you are on Defense.

Oh obviously if Doughty Pietra Schenn or Boisagnon fall, then yeah.

dspot

04-06-2008, 01:59 AM

Agent007

04-06-2008, 03:39 AM

For what it's worth, Bob Mackenzie said Myers will be a top 10 pick. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of off-the-board picks in the top 10. Remember Hickey last year?

I just hope it's not the Canucks who make the risky pick.

Here's a quick little top 10 mock draft that I did:

TB-Stamkos
LA-Doughty
ATL-Pietrangelo
STL-Schenn
NYI-Bogosian
CBJ-Myers
Phx-Beach
Tor-Filatov
Nash-Hodgson
Van-Boedker

I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that TB will go with Stamkos and then the next 4 picks are all going to be defencemen. Each of those teams would rather take a defencemen then a forward.

After that the BlueJackets might select a defencemen but I wouldn't be suprised if they take a forward. I think if they select a defencemen it'll be Myers.

Phoenix will likely select either Beach or Filatov but I think they'll go with Beach instead.

Toronto will not pass on Filatov so that's a slam dunk.

Nashville will not draft another defencemen and their biggest need is depth down the middle so Hodgson is their man.

At that point Vancouver has a few pretty darn good options and even though a center is what they need more then a winger Boedker is to darn good to pass up at this point.

The Canucks can use a little more depth on the left side as well so I doubt the Canucks pass on Boedker especially with a felloe dane Jannik Hansen a part of their organization.

Either way I think it's pretty safe to say that we're going to have a chance to pick a pretty darn good player with the 10th overall pick. I hope we stay away from Beach I'm not a big fan but we'll have a pretty good option available at 10th overall.

Agent007

04-06-2008, 03:42 AM

76 days to go until the draft:handclap:

timw33

04-06-2008, 04:50 AM

Here's a quick little top 10 mock draft that I did:

TB-Stamkos
LA-Doughty
ATL-Pietrangelo
STL-Schenn
NYI-Bogosian
CBJ-Myers
Phx-Beach
Tor-Filatov
Nash-Hodgson
Van-Boedker

I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that TB will go with Stamkos and then the next 4 picks are all going to be defencemen. Each of those teams would rather take a defencemen then a forward.

After that the BlueJackets might select a defencemen but I wouldn't be suprised if they take a forward. I think if they select a defencemen it'll be Myers.

Phoenix will likely select either Beach or Filatov but I think they'll go with Beach instead.

Toronto will not pass on Filatov so that's a slam dunk.

Nashville will not draft another defencemen and their biggest need is depth down the middle so Hodgson is their man.

At that point Vancouver has a few pretty darn good options and even though a center is what they need more then a winger Boedker is to darn good to pass up at this point.

The Canucks can use a little more depth on the left side as well so I doubt the Canucks pass on Boedker especially with a felloe dane Jannik Hansen a part of their organization.

Either way I think it's pretty safe to say that we're going to have a chance to pick a pretty darn good player with the 10th overall pick. I hope we stay away from Beach I'm not a big fan but we'll have a pretty good option available at 10th overall.

If that situation happens, I think Wilson is BPA and luckily a centre with size and skill.

Brownie

04-06-2008, 05:26 AM

timw33

04-06-2008, 06:04 AM

I don't see Myers going that high and I don't think Schenn goes before Bogosian. Bob McKenzie had a segment on TSN last week about how Bogosian was challenging Doughty and Pietrangelo for the second pick overall.

Some team in the 7-14 will fall in love with his size, upside, and skating ability.

I think he could very well be in the top 10.

Agent007

04-06-2008, 06:17 AM

I don't see Myers going that high and I don't think Schenn goes before Bogosian. Bob McKenzie had a segment on TSN last week about how Bogosian was challenging Doughty and Pietrangelo for the second pick overall.

Honestly I still think it's way to early to say where the players are going to end up but it's a pretty safe bet to say that TB will go with either Stamkos or Doughty, LA will go with either Stamkos or a defencemen, Atlanta will take anything and it just happens to be that a defencemen will likely be the BPA, the Blues and Islanders will as well select a defencemen, the BlueJackets are interesting but I wouldn't be suprised if they select a guy like Myers, Beach or Boedker same goes with the Coyotoes, Nashville will most likely draft a forward specifically a centerman and finally that leaves Vancouver and it's very likely they'll draft a forward.

It's interesting that in a blue chip defencemen heavy draft we've got a bunch of teams in the top 10 that need a defencemen. I wouldn't be suprised if after Stamkos goes number one the next 5 picks are all defencemen.

Also a lot of GM's expect there will be a ton of deals on draft day this season which is good news for Canuck fans.

Agent007

04-06-2008, 06:25 AM

Some team in the 7-14 will fall in love with his size, upside, and skating ability.

I think he could very well be in the top 10.

Bob McKenzie expects he'll be a top 10 pick and I wouldn't be suprised if a team takes a chance on this guy. Supposedly he skates better then Chara.

Beach IMO is a real wildcard. I wouldn't be suprised if he turns out to be this years Esposito. I think there's a good chance he might get knocked out of the top 10.

Either way if the Canucks select either Boedker or Wilson I'll be thrilled. Wilson might just be exactly what this organization needs but Boedker would be a great fit on a line with Grabner.

dspot

04-06-2008, 06:32 AM

Mackenzie is one of the only analysts that knows what he is talking about.

DreamCatcher

04-06-2008, 07:15 AM

Here's a quick little top 10 mock draft that I did:

TB-Stamkos
LA-Doughty
ATL-Pietrangelo
STL-Schenn
NYI-Bogosian
CBJ-Myers
Phx-Beach
Tor-Filatov
Nash-Hodgson
Van-Boedker

I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that TB will go with Stamkos and then the next 4 picks are all going to be defencemen. Each of those teams would rather take a defencemen then a forward.

After that the BlueJackets might select a defencemen but I wouldn't be suprised if they take a forward. I think if they select a defencemen it'll be Myers.

Phoenix will likely select either Beach or Filatov but I think they'll go with Beach instead.

Toronto will not pass on Filatov so that's a slam dunk.

Nashville will not draft another defencemen and their biggest need is depth down the middle so Hodgson is their man.

At that point Vancouver has a few pretty darn good options and even though a center is what they need more then a winger Boedker is to darn good to pass up at this point.

The Canucks can use a little more depth on the left side as well so I doubt the Canucks pass on Boedker especially with a felloe dane Jannik Hansen a part of their organization.

Either way I think it's pretty safe to say that we're going to have a chance to pick a pretty darn good player with the 10th overall pick. I hope we stay away from Beach I'm not a big fan but we'll have a pretty good option available at 10th overall.

I think it may be more likely that if Wilson is available then Toronto is more likely to pick him, he is a hometown boy and possibly take the reigns of Sundin down the road and become the face of the franchise.

SelKesler

04-06-2008, 07:36 AM

I hope Filatov or Boedker fall to us, and Nonis smarts up and ****ing picks one

Respect Your Edler

04-06-2008, 07:40 AM

I hope Filatov or Boedker fall to us, and Nonis smarts up and ****ing picks one

This is my biggest fear. We piss away another pick going off the board and taking someone projected to go in the 20s.

PuckMunchkin

04-06-2008, 08:25 AM

Bryan Allen is good.
Kesler panned out.
Bourdon is looking pretty damn good.
Grabner is doing well in AHL.
Bieksa, Raymond, Schneider... that kid tearing up the WHL whose name escapse me atm.

Our scouting and player development is in pretty decent condition right now.
What we could have used this year was a horrible season. Really. Woulda had the perfect excuse for it too with all the injuries on D..

orcatown

04-06-2008, 08:31 AM

Thom Yorke

04-06-2008, 08:48 AM

Good list 007

My list would go

1. Stamkos (an automatic)
2. Doughty (be ready sooner than the rest and LA needs help now)
3. Filatov (Atlanta needs star material and this guy is apparently dieing to play in North America- get a center for Kovalchuk - this could be sweet music for the Thashers)
4. Pietrangelo (probably a year or two away - not making National Junior team maybe gives people second thoughts - hockey sense may be an issue)
5. Schenn (totally safe pick - NYI needs the leadership)
6. Bogosain (chance to go higher and certainly no lower)
7. Beach (guy can be a jerk but has Heatly/Meuller upside - Phoenix gets another Silver Tip)

IMO - the drop off comes here - next level contains some guys who could be very good - like Myers or Sbisa - but are not sure things and players that could be good but unlikely to be upper level stars - like Hodgson

8. Wilson (solid choice)
9. Hodgson (another solid choice)

Leaves the Canucks

Myers - obviously huge unside. At times looked like a better prospect than Schenn. Agree 007 that he could be big riser on draft day. But there is something of a boom or bust issue here.

Boychuk - sort of St. Louis quality. From the blue line in this guy has star potential. If you ignore the size issue then he might move up

Bailey - reminds me of Corey Perry - guy could be a real sleeper. Puts up the points and development has been very good this season.

Boedker - possible Naslund type upside. Got great wheels and great stick. Wonder about durability and strenght. Wonder if Grabner might make him redundant.

Teubert - proto-typical NHL d-man but upside may be limited. Safe pick.

Sbisa - Some team in the top 10 might take a flyer on this player. Like Edler has made a very quick adaption to North American hockey. Given how far he has come this year have to be impressed.

From the Canuck point of view if either Wilson or Hodgson drop you probably take them. But Bailey and Myers remain intriguing picks. Right now I would be inclined to take Bailey but Boedker would be tempting. Very tough choice here.

However, if Myers is not taken then I might be after trying to trade the pick. Some team might be really keen on getting Myers and you might do well out of a deal. For example, if Philadelphia is anxious to get Myers or Sbisa (and the Flyers need young d-men) then you might be able to package your pick and get Carter. They sign Carter and we trade for him.

If the Canucks fluke out the 6th pick then you take Bogosain and open up immediate discussions with Philly for Carter.

The good thing at 10 is that there is enough qualtiy so that the Canucks can't go too far wrong. (one would hope)

My bet in the second round is Arneil if he is there - Good player and good connections to the franchise - only reservation is size. Another in the second could be Larsen - a Gradin special (injury probably caused him to drop more than he should have). Maybe Motin if he slips this far. Also lot of people like Deschamps in this range. Staal might also be a good choice if available.

Third round - my tendency would be to look to Europe - maybe Tikhonov, Berglund (take him before Detroit does - he is such a typical Detroit draft in this range). Might look locally at someone like Wright or Stefishen

I think the Canucks are in position to get two good players out of this draft.

Out of any of the players not most likely to be avaib. by #10. Boedker is the way to go.

I'd be inpressed if we drafted Boedker, Nicolas Deschamps and Joonas Rask in the first 3 rounds. This could be a complete turnaround for us. Let's not **** it up and take pride in what we can pick.

1st, Mikkel Boedker of Kitchener (OHL), if he is available we have to draft him. All around good player who has the tools to become a top-flite winger. if he's there. We draft him. Josh Bailey of Windsor (OHL) as well could be a consideration, plays a similar game to Boedker. But if Mikkel Boedker is still available by the time we pick, by golly lets draft him. Joe Colborne of Camrose (AJHL) is a close reckoning but he is not a top 15 pick.

2nd round.... maybe Joel Broda of Moose Jaw (WHL) or Geordie Wudrick of Swift Current (WHL), these guys are the type that could proove to be a good pick. 2 responsible strong forwards who could fit with the nucks.

3rd round, I'd be happy if we selected Luke Adam of St. John's in the Q with this selection. Adam plays alot like Daymond Langkow who has a very offensive game, With a bit of work Adam could be a 3rd round steal.

4th round... no pick

5th round.. it'd be nice to see a guy like Joonas Rask of Blues in Finland or Patrice Cormier of Rimouski in this round. 2 great players who have questionable D upside, but have offence for sure.

6th round... time to go for a defenseman? Eric Mestery of Tri-City (WHL) seems like a locked bid. Huge 6'6 d-man with a great overall game, something the nucks should defenitly look at for later rounds.

7th round... Colin Long of Kelowna, he's been skipped in the draft before. But he is an amazing player. I doubt this pick dissapoints. 7th round seems to be the sleeper round, and Long has it right here. As well if Justin Azevedo hasnt been picked yet, he could be an option (124 points in the OHL).

Hope that caps off a good draft for the Nucks, i'd like to see something along the lines of this here. This could help us out

PuckMunchkin

04-06-2008, 09:12 AM

Out of any of the players not most likely to be avaib. by #10. Boedker is the way to go.

I'd be inpressed if we drafted Boedker, Nicolas Deschamps and Joonas Rask in the first 3 rounds. This could be a complete turnaround for us. Let's not **** it up and take pride in what we can pick.

1st, Mikkel Boedker of Kitchener (OHL), if he is available we have to draft him. All around good player who has the tools to become a top-flite winger. if he's there. We draft him. Josh Bailey of Windsor (OHL) as well could be a consideration, plays a similar game to Boedker. But if Mikkel Boedker is still available by the time we pick, by golly lets draft him. Joe Colborne of Camrose (AJHL) is a close reckoning but he is not a top 15 pick.

2nd round.... maybe Joel Broda of Moose Jaw (WHL) or Geordie Wudrick of Swift Current (WHL), these guys are the type that could proove to be a good pick. 2 responsible strong forwards who could fit with the nucks.

3rd round, I'd be happy if we selected Luke Adam of St. John's in the Q with this selection. Adam plays alot like Daymond Langkow who has a very offensive game, With a bit of work Adam could be a 3rd round steal.

4th round... no pick

5th round.. it'd be nice to see a guy like Joonas Rask of Blues in Finland or Patrice Cormier of Rimouski in this round. 2 great players who have questionable D upside, but have offence for sure.

6th round... time to go for a defenseman? Eric Mestery of Tri-City (WHL) seems like a locked bid. Huge 6'6 d-man with a great overall game, something the nucks should defenitly look at for later rounds.

7th round... Colin Long of Kelowna, he's been skipped in the draft before. But he is an amazing player. I doubt this pick dissapoints. 7th round seems to be the sleeper round, and Long has it right here. As well if Justin Azevedo hasnt been picked yet, he could be an option (124 points in the OHL).

Hope that caps off a good draft for the Nucks, i'd like to see something along the lines of this here. This could help us out

Nice list. Really like it. I would rather us get size in the 1st, in Kyle Beach, but I would not mind us pickin' Boedker one bit.

I would put money on Nonis drafting another Dman in the first 3 rounds.
His build-from-the-net-out plan requires cheap solid Dmen and this is the best way to go about it.
And I'm not against it...

Peter Griffin

04-06-2008, 12:28 PM

If the Canucks have the choice between a winger and a center, I hope they'd take the center. This is assuming they have both players rated about the same.

RandV

04-06-2008, 01:06 PM

Well, I must say...

Bah, you guys are out to lunch with these 'playoff' odds. Here's what really matters:

Current Standings:
17. Washington 80 GP 41 W 90 P
18. Vancouver 80 GP 39 W 88 P
19. Buffalo 80 GP 38 W 88 P
20. Edmonton 81 GP 40 W 86 P
21. Chicago 79 GP 38 W 84 P
22. Florida 80 GP 37 W 83 P

So under ideal conditions:
Vancouver loses 2
Buffalo gets at least one more point
Edmonton beats us in regulation
Chicago gets 4 of 6 points in remaining 3 games

... then we drop to 21 and get to draft 10TH OVERALL!!!! That's way better than missing the playoffs and drafting 14th :sarcasm:

I'm a genius!!! :)
(Not counting the lotto)

DragonGG

04-06-2008, 03:18 PM

Could someone please post the top prospects in this draft w/ their max NHL upside? I'm sorry if it's already been posted in this thread...alternatively, you could just post a link to where I could find this information on my own. Thanks is advance!

DreamCatcher

04-06-2008, 04:20 PM

Canucks can potentially get two very good players in this draft with 1st line upside.

YogiCanucks

04-06-2008, 04:30 PM

PLEASE Nonis. Don't listen to your scouts. Just follow the central scouting report.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 04:34 PM

I'm hoping Joe Colbourne drops to us in the 2nd round. I do believe he has star potential, but his stock has really been hurt this season.

Another guy I'd love to nab in the 2nd or even 3rd round if he lasts is Jared Staal. Staal is one of the younger players in the draft, and he is on a very bad team in Sudbury. His game has improved immensely this season, and I believe he will be one of the more underrated players in the draft, his name notwithstanding. He's got good size and while he may never reach the levels his oldest brother has set, he could be at least a very productive 2nd liner.

In the 1st round I still stick with Zach Boychuk, but wouldn't be upset if we took Colin Wilson or Josh Bailey. If the Canucks pickup Kyle Beach or Mikkel Boedker or Mikhail Stefanovich I will be quite upset because I really don't see Beach or Stefanovich doing much in the NHL, and while Boedker may end up a good player, he is not what this team needs.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 04:34 PM

PLEASE Nonis. Don't listen to your scouts. Just follow the central scouting report.

It's pretty sad when I'm forced to agree with this statement, lol.

PuckMunchkin

04-06-2008, 04:52 PM

It's pretty sad when I'm forced to agree with this statement, lol.

1998 - 2003 drafting with Burke:

We picked:
Bryan Allen, Jarkko Ruutu, Sedins, Kevin Bieksa, Ryan Kesler and RJ Umberger.
Thats 7 NHL players in 6 drafts.
And the Sedins were more about being able to aquire the pick then scouting.

Draft blunders.. too many to list. 2000 produced zero NHL calibre players.

First 3yrs drafting with Nonis:

2004
1st Cory Schneider - Looking stellar in the AHL
3rd Alexander Edler - Looking like a top pairing guy in the future, already in the NHL
5th Mike Brown - Energy line guy, not much upside
9th Jannik Hansen - Potential 3rd liner with Top 6 potential

2005
1st Luc Bourdon - Looks to be a good Top4 Dman. Overshadowed by the Kopitar stigmata.
2nd Mason Raymond - Looks like a lock for a top 6 role in the league in the not so distant future.

2006
1st Michael Grabner ( Milan Lucic looks pretty damn good.. But he was projected to go where he went)

Only read blunder I count for Nonis is not picking Kopitar.

I'd say its pretty clear we don't need to be terrified of the draft day anymore with Nonis at the helm.

YogiCanucks

04-06-2008, 05:08 PM

Peter Griffin

04-06-2008, 05:17 PM

and not picking someone better than Grabner with a realatively high pick at #14

Who would you have taken? The only players I can honestly say I'd rather have then him at this point are Claude Grioux and maybe Patrik Berglund, but that's debatable.

windflare

04-06-2008, 05:22 PM

5th round.. Patrice Cormier of Rimouski in this round.

7th round... Colin Long or Justin Azevedo

Not going to happen.

And not taking Perron, and not picking someone better than Grabner with a realatively high pick at #14

It's stupid ignorant crap like this that makes me post less and less. The only immediates that you can compare to Grabner after the first 13 picks are Claude Giroux, Chris Stewart, and Patrick Berglund. Chris Stewart is only doing just as well as Grabner in the AHL, despite a better situation with him and icetime. Claude Giroux, though good, is not even in the AHL yet. Berglund is still in Sweden, and though he may be a good one, we haven't seen him in the NA leagues yet, so it's not a sure thing. Nobody else in the first round even comes close to these, yet you're complaining about drafting a potential 40 goal scorer in Grabner? (Yes, I said it. Only echoing the sentiments of Lou, after all. The Lou in New Jersey.)

And I'm not even going to bother with the Perron one.

UBCsalmonslayer

04-06-2008, 05:26 PM

So... Chicago and Edmonton will both draft after us (or at least have inferior draft lottery chances), since they have the same amount of points but more wins, correct?

Tb0ne

04-06-2008, 05:28 PM

In the 1st round I still stick with Zach Boychuk, but wouldn't be upset if we took Colin Wilson or Josh Bailey. If the Canucks pickup Kyle Beach or Mikkel Boedker or Mikhail Stefanovich I will be quite upset because I really don't see Beach or Stefanovich doing much in the NHL, and while Boedker may end up a good player, he is not what this team needs.

Why do you think they'll bust?

Barney Gumble

04-06-2008, 05:29 PM

So... Chicago and Edmonton will both draft after us (or at least have inferior draft lottery chances), since they have the same amount of points but more wins, correct?
To the best of my knowledge - yes (unless of course - either one wins the lottery).

SelKesler

04-06-2008, 05:31 PM

I really don't want Beach...

He seems to me like an easy bust...

Kesler Kills Kommies

04-06-2008, 05:34 PM

How about Zac Dalpe from the BCHL in the late round?

Tb0ne

04-06-2008, 05:35 PM

I really don't want Beach...

He seems to me like an easy bust...

Why?

Concussion issues? attitude? skating?

Barney Gumble

04-06-2008, 05:37 PM

PLEASE Nonis. Don't listen to your scouts. Just follow the central scouting report.
Thomas Gradin.;)

Pauser

04-06-2008, 05:38 PM

Why do you think they'll bust?

Well for starters, Stefanovich isnt exactly lighting up the Q (compared to Q standards) and he's one of the older players eligible for this draft.

And as far as Beach goes, I see a lot of similarities to a guy we took over Martin Brodeur.....Shawn Antoski.

DragonGG

04-06-2008, 05:41 PM

Well for starters, Stefanovich isnt exactly lighting up the Q (compared to Q standards) and he's one of the older players eligible for this draft.

And as far as Beach goes, I see a lot of similarities to a guy we took over Martin Brodeur.....Shawn Antoski.

Well goaltenders are pretty hard to judge interms of over all potential...so much stuff influences how they develope...remember Maxime Ouellette? The guy went from being a highly touted prospect to...well...I have no idea where he's been since he passed through Vancouver.

But yeah, I know what you mean and I totally agree; I wouldn't feel very comfortable with Beach in our system. Skating can always be improved with hardwrok (I believe the big knock on Geoff Sanderson when he was drafted was his skating), but the concussions, and attitude just set off too many alarms.

Tb0ne

04-06-2008, 05:42 PM

Well for starters, Stefanovich isnt exactly lighting up the Q (compared to Q standards) and he's one of the older players eligible for this draft.

And as far as Beach goes, I see a lot of similarities to a guy we took over Martin Brodeur.....Shawn Antoski.

Not drafting Stefanovich between 6-11 is a no brainer (maybe not for our scouts) but I was mostly refering to Beach. The Antoski pick was before my time so if you could give some detail on how Beach compares I'd love to hear it (I've had a hell of a time finding any detailed scouting reports). And I'm curious to know how many times you've seen Beach play.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 05:45 PM

1998 - 2003 drafting with Burke:

We picked:
Bryan Allen, Jarkko Ruutu, Sedins, Kevin Bieksa, Ryan Kesler and RJ Umberger.
Thats 7 NHL players in 6 drafts.
And the Sedins were more about being able to aquire the pick then scouting.

Draft blunders.. too many to list. 2000 produced zero NHL calibre players.

First 3yrs drafting with Nonis:

2004
1st Cory Schneider - Looking stellar in the AHL
3rd Alexander Edler - Looking like a top pairing guy in the future, already in the NHL
5th Mike Brown - Energy line guy, not much upside
9th Jannik Hansen - Potential 3rd liner with Top 6 potential

2005
1st Luc Bourdon - Looks to be a good Top4 Dman. Overshadowed by the Kopitar stigmata.
2nd Mason Raymond - Looks like a lock for a top 6 role in the league in the not so distant future.

2006
1st Michael Grabner ( Milan Lucic looks pretty damn good.. But he was projected to go where he went)

Only read blunder I count for Nonis is not picking Kopitar.

I'd say its pretty clear we don't need to be terrified of the draft day anymore with Nonis at the helm.

Schneider was a good pick. He was the 4th rated goalie in that draft, but I do have him higher than Dubnyk and Schwarz right now.

Edler was a great pick, but I attribute that to Gradin, and to the Detroit scout who let the cat out of the bag on that one.

Brown..meh, nothing to be too proud of.

Hansen was a great gem.

Bourdon was a bad pick, because we should have picked Kopitar. Kopitar was the big center we never had, and we passed him up. No longer looking like a top 2 dman as well...but thats due to the injury he sustained after we took him. Just salt in the wounds.

Raymond too was a great pick, but many scouts do say that had he not been in the AJHL he would have easily been a 1st rounder.

Still not liking the Grabner pick. I think his game is more suited to Eastern Conference play and that he'll disappear in games with lots of hitting (playoff hockey?). This was a knock on him in Juniors. I'd probably have given Giroux or Sanguinetti a long hard look at that spot.

Absolutely hating the Patrick White pick. He's now a 4th liner in the NCAA and while he's gotten a bit better in his past few games, a guy like David Perron would have been a much better pick. Also I believe that Taylor Ellington was a waste of a high 2nd round pick with guys like Moller, Repik, Godfrey available.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 05:50 PM

Not drafting Stefanovich between 6-11 is a no brainer (maybe not for our scouts) but I was mostly refering to Beach. The Antoski pick was before my time so if you could give some detail on how Beach compares I'd love to hear it (I've had a hell of a time finding any detailed scouting reports). And I'm curious to know how many times you've seen Beach play.

Well I'm making the comparisons based on their gritty style of play. Their points and PIM totals are pretty much identical. I don't like Beach's attitude, and his health problems concern me. He seems to be the type who will rack up the PIMs in the NHL but wont ever really be a top scorer.

Thom Yorke

04-06-2008, 05:56 PM

Not drafting Stefanovich between 6-11 is a no brainer (maybe not for our scouts) but I was mostly refering to Beach. The Antoski pick was before my time so if you could give some detail on how Beach compares I'd love to hear it (I've had a hell of a time finding any detailed scouting reports). And I'm curious to know how many times you've seen Beach play.

If we draft stefano with our first, I will consider giving up hope for this team's future.

He's really good, but he is no match to Boedker, Beach or Bailey.

If Colborne drops to round 2, that is a unanimous decision to draft him,

Pauser

04-06-2008, 05:59 PM

If we draft stefano with our first, I will consider giving up hope for this team's future.

He's really good, but he is no match to Boedker, Beach or Bailey.

If Colborne drops to round 2, that is a unanimous decision to draft him,

I believe that Colborne should be a top 15 draft pick, but he will obviously slip. If we can get him at the 40 pick, we better be all over him.

Tb0ne

04-06-2008, 06:00 PM

Well I'm making the comparisons based on their gritty style of play. Their points and PIM totals are pretty much identical. I don't like Beach's attitude, and his health problems concern me. He seems to be the type who will rack up the PIMs in the NHL but wont ever really be a top scorer.

Top scorer as in elite or just never a 1st line player?

Lacrosse goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq-UkwUllxc&feature=related
Highlight video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TyyEsyCxrA

Pauser

04-06-2008, 06:04 PM

Top scorer as in elite or just never a 1st line player?

Lacrosse goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq-UkwUllxc&feature=related
Highlight video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TyyEsyCxrA

I don't think he'll ever be a 1st line player

Momesso

04-06-2008, 06:11 PM

When is the draft lottery?

PuckMunchkin

04-06-2008, 06:12 PM

Still not liking the Grabner pick. I think his game is more suited to Eastern Conference play and that he'll disappear in games with lots of hitting (playoff hockey?). This was a knock on him in Juniors. I'd probably have given Giroux or Sanguinetti a long hard look at that spot.

That was a knock on him ONCE. A single instance where he was benched.
He is looking like a likely Top 6 forward right now.

Absolutely hating the Patrick White pick. He's now a 4th liner in the NCAA and while he's gotten a bit better in his past few games, a guy like David Perron would have been a much better pick. Also I believe that Taylor Ellington was a waste of a high 2nd round pick with guys like Moller, Repik, Godfrey available.

Why would you even touch the 2007 draft class?
Way too soon. Way too soon.

Tb0ne

04-06-2008, 06:12 PM

When is the draft lottery?

Monday, April 7th at 8pm EST.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11410&hubname=

I don't think he'll ever be a 1st line player

How many times have you seen him play?

Pauser

04-06-2008, 06:14 PM

How many times have you seen him play?

Live? None.

But I'm usually bang on with my prospct predictions. And right now I'm saying that Zach Boychuk will have a better NHL career than Kyle Beach.

Kesler Kills Kommies

04-06-2008, 06:18 PM

Live? None.

But I'm usually bang on with my prospct predictions. And right now I'm saying that Zach Boychuk will have a better NHL career than Kyle Beach.
so you love or hate a prospect base on your prediction? i am sorry if i misunderstand you.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 06:22 PM

so you love or hate a prospect base on your prediction? i am sorry if i misunderstand you.

It's something a lot of people won't understand. I'm high on statistical analysis, as well I've seen some clips of Beach's game. I'm not a fan of his, especially his attitude.

I'm not one to draft purely on attitude, but when a player has a poor attitude, unless he can back up his game statistically I wouldn't want to deal with the headache. He's a point per game player in the WHL and coupled with his attitude I couldn't justify spending a 1st round pick on him. Akim Aliu was talented but had a poor work ethic/attitude and he fell to the late 2nd round last year.

04-06-2008, 06:45 PM

Their points and PIM totals are pretty much identical.

What are you talking about?

Antoski had 7 points in his 17/18 season, while Beach is at a point a game, and was almost a point a game last year, at which age Antoski wasn't even in the OHL.

Antoski was 20 years old when the Canucks drafted him. Beach has already put up a higher points per game in junior than Antoski did when he was 19/20, and Beach plays in a lower-scoring league and is two years younger.

Antoski's 17/18 year old season: 52gp 3g 4a 7pts 163PIM
Beach's 17/18 year old season: 60gp 27g 33a 60p 222PIM

droid56

04-06-2008, 06:49 PM

If any of the top 4 defensemen fell to us, I guess it would be hard not to grab them at the 10 spot, but we really need offense on this team, so I've focused on the forwards.

Knowing almost nothing about the top available forwards, I just read a bunch of pertinent threads on the prospects board, paying the most attention to comments made by people who have apparently watched these players.

Here's my top 7 offensive players (minus the unattainable Stamkos), just based on what I read.

1. Nikita Filatov - Yes I know about the problems picking Russians, but he seems to be the only forward (left winger) other than Stamkos who could become a major offensive star. I watched a posted Youtube video, and he has tremendous skill. He's fast, ultra-competitive, and he says he wants to come the North America as soon as possible. Some risk involved (Koltsov), but he could be a very special player.

2. Cody Hodgson - A 2-way centre, with speed, who is said to have top-line potential. A coach who's name I can't remember said he could be a franchise type player.

3.Mikkel Boedker - A left winger, he has really good speed and a good shot (you know, what the Sedins don't have), who plays in all 3 zones. In his first year adjusting to North American hockey, he keeps getting better and better. He offers lots of skill, though some people say he should be scoring more given his many opportunities.

4.Colin Wilson - Unlike Pat White, he's putting up points as a freshman in U.S. hockey, as a centre. He's big, and he has an unusually mature game for his age. Very good defensively. Two things I don't like about him is he is only an average skater, and he chose to play for the U.S., when he could have chosen the Maple Leaf.

It's unlikely the above top 4 will be available to us, but it's not impossible.

5. Zach Boychuck - I'd actually be happier with Boychuck over Wilson, even though Wilson is rated higher, because Boychuck has good speed, something we need more of. But Boychuck's negative is his size, at 5-9, 175. But the thread I read had a picture of him, and he's ripped. He's also a very skilled, and defensively responsible centre.

6. Josh Bailey - Another centre, who got over 90 points this year. Pretty good size, and plays well in all 3 zones. But his skating and his shot are only average. He doesn't have top line potential.

7. Kyle Beach - He also might be gone by 10, but he also might fall.
As a potential power forward, people are concerned that he has had 2 concussions this year. And after the second concussion, his play declined a lot. Plus he is said to have attitude problems. In his short playoff run this year, 0 points, -6. I'd rather pass on Beach.

I'd be happy to get any of the top 5, but I wouldn't be too happy with Bailey, and Beach I don't want.

Remember, these comments are only based on reading some threads. Watching is always better than reading.

two headed boy

04-06-2008, 07:00 PM

buddahsmoka1

04-06-2008, 07:18 PM

How about Zac Dalpe from the BCHL in the late round?

Very intruiging player, I have seen him a couple of times. He will be gone by the end of the 2nd round though.

buddahsmoka1

04-06-2008, 07:22 PM

It's something a lot of people won't understand. I'm high on statistical analysis, as well I've seen some clips of Beach's game. I'm not a fan of his, especially his attitude.

I'm not one to draft purely on attitude, but when a player has a poor attitude, unless he can back up his game statistically I wouldn't want to deal with the headache. He's a point per game player in the WHL and coupled with his attitude I couldn't justify spending a 1st round pick on him. Akim Aliu was talented but had a poor work ethic/attitude and he fell to the late 2nd round last year.

I don't think stats tell very much at all. You need to watch a player play atleast a few times before getting any type of potential read on him. You need to see where his skills are, his intelligence is at and how he plays the game. Stats can be very misleading, he could be not getting good ice time because he has a strong team or could just be not producing but making nice plays all around the ice.
Not only that, you have no idea what these players attitude's are actually like. So there is no point in spectulating about someone's attitude when you have never even met the kid. As far as I'm concerned the only way to actually grade someone's potential is to watch them in atleast 5 games, therefore you get a good feel for the kid in different kinds of situations.

Red

04-06-2008, 07:27 PM

And not taking Perron, and not picking someone better than Grabner with a realatively high pick at #14

There wasn't much choice. The top 13 in that draft were set in stone and that's how it ended up. We, unlucky as we usually are, got #14. Pretty much everyone agreed that it was an absolute crapshoot starting at #14. Lots of people said we should pick Chris Stewart, yet he and Grabner are having identical years points-wise. Berglund would probably have been the best choice in retrospect, but pretty much every scouting service that year agreed that there was a huge drop off at #14 and it would be a crapshoot from there on.

I think one of the forwards (Hodgson, Wilson, Filatov, Beach) will fall to us. The high-end defensive talent in this draft is better than the high-end forward talent and I'm pretty confident some team will take an defenseman other than Doughty, Pietrangelo, Schenn, and Bogosian in the top 10. And if one of those four d-men fall to us, I'd much rather we take them, those four guys are going to be huge talents and it paves the way for us to trade Bieksa + Bourdon for NHL-caliber forwards now. How I'd rank the forwards in my preference that the Canucks get them:

1. Stamkos
2. Hodgson
3. Filatov
4. Wilson
5. Boedker
6. Nemisz
7. Boychuk
8. Beach
9. Bailey
10. Eberle

AgentNaslund*

04-06-2008, 07:36 PM

That was a knock on him ONCE. A single instance where he was benched.
He is looking like a likely Top 6 forward right now.

Why would you even touch the 2007 draft class?
Way too soon. Way too soon.

actually right now is a good timing to touch the 2007. Its one year after the draft, Perron is making a bigger impact then White in the NHL then White is in the crappy NCAA. Amazing. Perron is projected to turn into a lethal sniper, who can skate and stick handle his way through the DMZ zone. While White accerlation needs to be badly worked on, and his toughness, and will to battle for lose pucks. Honestly you can see it in the way David Perron plays. Amazing how They thought White is a better player, then Perron. Amazing. Alot of amazing choices Vancouver make.

BAuldie

04-06-2008, 07:42 PM

actually right now is a good timing to touch the 2007. Its one year after the draft, Perron is making a bigger impact then White in the NHL then White is in the crappy NCAA. Amazing. Perron is projected to turn into a lethal sniper, who can skate and stick handle his way through the DMZ zone. While White accerlation needs to be badly worked on, and his toughness, and will to battle for lose pucks. Honestly you can see it in the way David Perron plays. Amazing how They thought White is a better player, then Perron. Amazing. Alot of amazing choices Vancouver make.

A whole crap load of GM's didn't think all that highly on Perron.. don't forget Perron is a year older.

As a side not.. the NCAA isn't 'crappy'.

pitseleh

04-06-2008, 07:43 PM

Perron was an overager so he was ahead of most prospects in his development. And despite that he wasn't even close to dominant in the Q in his last season there.

04-06-2008, 07:45 PM

actually right now is a good timing to touch the 2007. Its one year after the draft, Perron is making a bigger impact then White in the NHL then White is in the crappy NCAA. Amazing. Perron is projected to turn into a lethal sniper, who can skate and stick handle his way through the DMZ zone. While White accerlation needs to be badly worked on, and his toughness, and will to battle for lose pucks. Honestly you can see it in the way David Perron plays. Amazing how They thought White is a better player, then Perron. Amazing. Alot of amazing choices Vancouver make.

Perron also has enough problems that, despite all of his upsides, he has found himself in the pressbox a lot. Obviously the kid could have pretty easily gone either way.

04-06-2008, 07:47 PM

I don't think stats tell very much at all.

Particularly when you're comparing a guy's stats as a 20 year old to a guy who is 18, both playing major junior.

fogducker

04-06-2008, 07:49 PM

IF one of teh top 4 d-man falls to teh canucks i would take them over the forwards (except if filatov is available)

AgentNaslund*

04-06-2008, 07:51 PM

IF one of teh top 4 d-man falls to teh canucks i would take them over the forwards (except if filatov is available)

why u say that?

fogducker

04-06-2008, 07:58 PM

why u say that?

I just think they're better players than the forwards available

Edler Von Gud

04-06-2008, 08:02 PM

why u say that?

Because each of the Top four defenseman in this draft have the ability to be Top pairing cornerstone defenseman while after Stamkos/Fliatov there really isn't any forward with Top line potential (perhaps Boedker). Hodgson, Wilson, Bailey, Boychuk, Beach, etc all have 2nd line upside IMO.

Stamkos/Fliatov> Doughty/Pietrangelo/Bogosian/Schenn> Boedker, Hodgson, Wilson, Beach, Boychuk> Bailey, Myers, Sbisa, Carlson, Nemisz, etc

Flinch*

04-06-2008, 08:04 PM

Well I'm making the comparisons based on their gritty style of play. Their points and PIM totals are pretty much identical. I don't like Beach's attitude, and his health problems concern me. He seems to be the type who will rack up the PIMs in the NHL but wont ever really be a top scorer.

You also think Patrick White is going to be a bust. Ditto Grabner.

The Pepper

04-06-2008, 08:11 PM

I think we should take Boychuck if we get the chance. Size is no longer as big of an issue in the NHL. Just look at Gagner stepping right into the NHL. I think Boychuck and Gagner are relatively the same size and have about the same skillset.

Flinch*

04-06-2008, 08:12 PM

Well for starters, Stefanovich isnt exactly lighting up the Q (compared to Q standards) and he's one of the older players eligible for this draft.

And as far as Beach goes, I see a lot of similarities to a guy we took over Martin Brodeur.....Shawn Antoski.

David Perron ring a bell at all?

As for other people commenting about not listening to our scouts and using Central Scouting? White was projected to go where he did, ditto Grabner and ditto Bourdon.

All the players who were picked were drafted more or less where they were. The Kopitar blunder is the only real 'mistake' I have with the Canucks drafting as of late.

fogducker

04-06-2008, 08:13 PM

any of the top ten players would be nice

AgentNaslund*

04-06-2008, 08:45 PM

You also think Patrick White is going to be a bust. Ditto Grabner.

Grabner was at least able to do make noise in spokane. ONe of the most prolific goal scorers in the WHL.

Is Patrick White one of the most prolific goal scorers in the NCAA? That guy got dimonted to 4th line duty ON A WEAK TEAM.

Tb0ne

04-06-2008, 08:57 PM

Grabner was at least able to do make noise in spokane. ONe of the most prolific goal scorers in the WHL.

Is Patrick White one of the most prolific goal scorers in the NCAA? That guy got dimonted to 4th line duty ON A WEAK TEAM.

Didn't he start on the 4th line only to move up when the Gophers had a series of injuries (then moved back down when those players returned) ?

KDizzle

04-06-2008, 08:59 PM

Grabner was at least able to do make noise in spokane. ONe of the most prolific goal scorers in the WHL.

Is Patrick White one of the most prolific goal scorers in the NCAA? That guy got dimonted to 4th line duty ON A WEAK TEAM.

I don't know much of anything when it comes to the Gophers, but from what I've heard, they have a system where freshmen are usually not given top 6 roles. If next year he gets... "dimonted" then it should be cause for some concern.

tRaDiNgYo

04-06-2008, 09:08 PM

If we get the 10th pick.
We should go after Filatov if he's still avaliable, or a defenseman.
The other forwards aren't very appealing to me.
We can trade Bieksa or Bourdon.
I don't see Filatov coming to us though

icesport

04-06-2008, 09:20 PM

Boedker in the first and Arniel in the 2nd would be a great draft. Watch them playing each other in the OHL playoffs. Someone said Arniel's size is an issue? 6"0 195 seems okay to me. Boedker is a very creative player, confident with the puck, very flashy, can be physical, a good first round pick. Could finish better, not great in his own end. Arniel is very gritty, physical, plays well in his own end, not a flashy player but can score (31,27, goals last two years). Certainly compliment each other.

ArtG

04-06-2008, 09:26 PM

Grabner was at least able to do make noise in spokane. ONe of the most prolific goal scorers in the WHL.

Is Patrick White one of the most prolific goal scorers in the NCAA? That guy got dimonted to 4th line duty ON A WEAK TEAM.
Take a look at Mason Raymond's freshmen numbers in the NCAA. Also not particularly prolific but looks like he could become a top-liner in a few years.

04-06-2008, 09:35 PM

Take a look at Mason Raymond's freshmen numbers in the NCAA. Also not particularly prolific but looks like he could become a top-liner in a few years.

Raymond was also 20 when he hit the NCAA.

timw33

04-06-2008, 09:37 PM

I don't know much of anything when it comes to the Gophers, but from what I've heard, they have a system where freshmen are usually not given top 6 roles. If next year he gets... "dimonted" then it should be cause for some concern.

If he doesn't get more ice-time, he should consider joining the Seattle Thunderbirds.

fogducker

04-06-2008, 10:06 PM

who should the canucks pick in the second round?

Flinch*

04-06-2008, 10:11 PM

Grabner was at least able to do make noise in spokane. ONe of the most prolific goal scorers in the WHL.

Is Patrick White one of the most prolific goal scorers in the NCAA? That guy got dimonted to 4th line duty ON A WEAK TEAM.

He got promoted and was seeing icetime in the playoffs.

Learn about what you're trying to sound knowledgable about, kthx.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 10:20 PM

You also think Patrick White is going to be a bust. Ditto Grabner.

Thats right!

Pauser

04-06-2008, 10:29 PM

He got promoted and was seeing icetime in the playoffs.

Learn about what you're trying to sound knowledgable about, kthx.

Perhaps you should too.

You talk about how freshmen are treated with low icetime..okay that's fine.

Mike Hoeffel is a freshman and is outproducing White. Last year Kyle Okposo was a freshman and absolutely dominated for the Gophers. Need I continue?

leo2892

04-06-2008, 10:33 PM

White was not given minutes because he was an 18 year old freshman. The fact that he was able to make the team instead of returning to the USHL (like he was expected to) is encouraging.

With Wheeler, Okposo, Gordon, Barriball, etc., there wasn't a lot of room for White. Patty did improve as the season went on, and by the playoffs he was seeing top-6 minutes IIRC. We'll see how he does next season with more experience and ice time.

Now back on topic. I agree with fogducker and Edler Von Gud. If Boychuk, Wilson, Boedker, and Filatov are all gone, we should draft Bogosian/Schenn if they are available. BPA - We have to learn from the past.

For the second round, I'd like to see Nonis go hard after Wahl, Arniel, Dalpe, Jenks, and Deschamps in that order. All great skaters who have some good offense potential while being attentive to defense.

ArtG

04-06-2008, 10:37 PM

Perhaps you should too.

You talk about how freshmen are treated with low icetime..okay that's fine.

Mike Hoeffel is a freshman and is outproducing White. Last year Kyle Okposo was a freshman and absolutely dominated for the Gophers. Need I continue?
You can't judge prospects that quickly. Kyle Okposo had a very average year on their AHL squad this year, does this mean he's not going to be a good pro? Who knows?

By the same account, Brandon Bochenski dominated in the NCAA and hasn't done squat in the NHL other than attempt to beat the record for most different jerseys worn.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 10:46 PM

Bobby Lu

04-06-2008, 10:48 PM

Should fans be worried if White has a poor/average sophomore year with respect to him being drafted in the 1st round?

pitseleh

04-06-2008, 10:50 PM

How come Mike Hoeffel (freshman) out performed White then? Like I said earlier, Okposo was a freshman last year and was at a point per game.

Okposo, in his brief NHL debut, has looked quite good too.

White was coming out of high school hockey while Hoeffel was coming out of the US NTDP. White had a much bigger jump in terms of the overall difference in skill level.

StrictlyCommercial

04-06-2008, 10:53 PM

Now back on topic. I agree with fogducker and Edler Von Gud. If Boychuk, Wilson, Boedker, and Filatov are all gone, we should draft Bogosian/Schenn if they are available. BPA - We have to learn from the past.

For the second round, I'd like to see Nonis go hard after Wahl, Arniel, Dalpe, Jenks, and Deschamps in that order. All great skaters who have some good offense potential while being attentive to defense.

I wouldn't take Boychuk over Bogosian, Schenn or Myers. The other 3 are still behind Schenn and Bogosian in my eyes. If we stay at the 10th pick it's not going to be an elite prospect though, which kind of sucks, assuming that it goes something like:

1. Stamkos
2-4 Doughty, Pietrangelo, Filatov,
5-7 Schenn Bogosian, Wilson

That leaves us with a shot at whoever falls from Myers, Boedker, Beach, Boychuk or Hodgson. The last 3 are definitely a step down from the top guys in the draft, which really sucks for us.

leo2892

04-06-2008, 10:54 PM

How come Mike Hoeffel (freshman) out performed White then? Like I said earlier, Okposo was a freshman last year and was at a point per game.

Okposo, in his brief NHL debut, has looked quite good too.

The Gophers had a lot of centers.

White had to compete with Wheeler, Okposo, Kauffman, and Carman to see top-6 minutes.

White saw top-6 minutes when he was shifted to the wing. With Wheeler and Okposo gone, look for White to have an augmented role with the Gophers next season.

leo2892

04-06-2008, 10:55 PM

I wouldn't take Boychuk over Bogosian, Schenn or Myers. The other 3 are still behind Schenn and Bogosian in my eyes. If we stay at the 10th pick it's not going to be an elite prospect though, which kind of sucks, assuming that it goes something like:

1. Stamkos
2-4 Doughty, Pietrangelo, Filatov,
5-7 Schenn Bogosian, Wilson

That leaves us with a shot at whoever falls from Myers, Boedker, Beach, Boychuk or Hodgson. The last 3 are definitely a step down from the top guys in the draft, which really sucks for us.

I would cream my pants if we got Hodgson, but he will go before tenth overall.

In any case, we'll SHOULD have a shot at one of Beach (ugh), Hodgson, Boedker, and Wilson.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 11:02 PM

I wouldn't take Boychuk over Bogosian, Schenn or Myers. The other 3 are still behind Schenn and Bogosian in my eyes. If we stay at the 10th pick it's not going to be an elite prospect though, which kind of sucks, assuming that it goes something like:

1. Stamkos
2-4 Doughty, Pietrangelo, Filatov,
5-7 Schenn Bogosian, Wilson

That leaves us with a shot at whoever falls from Myers, Boedker, Beach, Boychuk or Hodgson. The last 3 are definitely a step down from the top guys in the draft, which really sucks for us.

I wonder if Filatov might fall due to him being a Russian? We all saw what happened to Cherepanov last year. Maxim Mayorov was supposed to go in the 1st round too and he slipped to round 4.

Bobby Lu

04-06-2008, 11:02 PM

Vman

04-06-2008, 11:05 PM

So I'm guessing we have the 10th pick.
Who are the top 10-15 in the draft?

Pauser

04-06-2008, 11:08 PM

Drafting either Wilson or Hodgson will definitely be a good consolation prize for this season especially when it looked like if we missed the playoffs we would be stuck with the 14th spot.

Atleast this way we will get a very good prospect.

Stamkos, Doughty, Pieterangelo, Bogosian, Filatov, Hodgson, Schenn, Beach, Boedker should probably go in that order 1-9, meaning the Canucks should have guys like Boychuk, Wilson, Del Zotto, Myers and Bailey to choose from. My preferance is Boychuk, but honestly, I'd be happy with Wilson, Bailey or Del Zotto.

Flinch*

04-06-2008, 11:22 PM

Perhaps you should too.

You talk about how freshmen are treated with low icetime..okay that's fine.

Mike Hoeffel is a freshman and is outproducing White. Last year Kyle Okposo was a freshman and absolutely dominated for the Gophers. Need I continue?

Different levels of experience and talent.

But please, continue. Keep digging your grave.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 11:30 PM

Different levels of experience and talent.

But please, continue. Keep digging your grave.

What grave? And how are they different levels of experience and talent? Hoeffel is in his freshman year this year, just as White. Hoeffel was drafted later than White too.

Okposo was a freshman last year, and he was also a 1st round pick, just as White.

Peter Griffin

04-06-2008, 11:30 PM

I wonder if Filatov might fall due to him being a Russian?

He's come out and stated he wants to come to North America and will play wherever his new team wants him to, so there shouldn't be any concern with him really.

pitseleh

04-06-2008, 11:31 PM

What grave? And how are they different levels of experience and talent? Hoeffel is in his freshman year this year, just as White. Hoeffel was drafted later than White too.

Okposo was a freshman last year, and he was also a 1st round pick, just as White.

....

White was coming out of high school hockey while Hoeffel was coming out of the US NTDP. White had a much bigger jump in terms of the overall difference in skill level.

Granlund2Pulkkinen

04-06-2008, 11:34 PM

trade up and get Boedker guys. He'll fit the Canucks to a T

04-06-2008, 11:35 PM

I still want to see Antoski and Beach's "same" stats analyzed.

04-06-2008, 11:37 PM

Okposo was a freshman last year, and he was also a 1st round pick, just as White.

7th overall, coming from a full USHL season as opposed to 25th overall, coming out of highschool, and drafted as a long-term project.

Totally the same circumstances.

Edler Von Gud

04-06-2008, 11:40 PM

If we do go with a centre with our pick I'm curious to see how that effects the rest of Nonis offseason. We could probably move Kesler to 2nd line RW and go with this:

Sedin Sedin RW1
LW2 C2 Kesler
Raymond Wilson/Boychuk/Bailey Hansen
Burrows C4 Pettinger/Pyatt

Let's say for instance RW1 is Ryder/Brunette/Bernier/whoever
Let's say for instance LW2 is Cole/Malone/Stafford/Rolston/whoever
Let's say for instance C2 is Jeff Carter/Patrick Marleau/whoever
Let's say for instance C4 is a solid vet like Peca or another solid defensive centre.

You could have a decent 1st line that would kill teams down low, big strong two way fast 2nd line, young exciting kid line, and very good checking line. You don't have to rely on the rookies for offense in a top 6 role, so they can just do their thing while not having to face other teams best defenseman. The 2nd and 4th lines can share minutes against other teams best players. While I don't think Wilson, Boychuk, or Bailey could step in as a 2nd line centre right away, they are all solid defensively and older than most in their draft class so asking them to play 3rd line isn't out of the realm of possibility.

You probably all think I'm crazy, but I don't see the Sedins being good enough, and the UFA pool deep enough to put together two lines good enough that allows for 2 checking lines. I also see Kesler as a potential 25-30 goal right winger with his speed and shot where as I don't think his passing/playmaking abilities will develop to be more than a 3rd line centre. Besides you could make the new 2nd line the "checking line" if need be, except it would be one a hell of a lot more dangerous offensively and deserving of the minutes you play them. In a few years you could easily move Kesler back to 3rd line centre when Wilson/Boychuk/Bailey have developed into a 2nd line centre, and Grabner is ready to play RW on the 2nd line on a full time basis.

Peter Griffin

04-06-2008, 11:46 PM

Edler Von Gud

04-06-2008, 11:52 PM

What is the likelihood that any player the Canucks select at 10th overall is going to be ready for NHL action next season? I think Sam Gagner and definitely Patrick Kane are better than any player the Canucks will draft at #10.

probably no chance, but that has a lot to do with AV's philosphy and obsession with playing a checking line lots of minutes. If it was up to me I'd move Kesler to RW and up to the 2nd line, opening a spot for Boychuk/Wilson/Bailey on the 3rd line to play with a couple of our young wingers.

Pauser

04-06-2008, 11:55 PM

probably no chance, but that has a lot to do with AV's philosphy and obsession with playing a checking line lots of minutes. If it was up to me I'd move Kesler to RW and up to the 2nd line, opening a spot for Boychuk/Wilson/Bailey on the 3rd line to play with a couple of our young wingers.

The checking line gets a lot of minutes because they're matched against the other teams top lines, and they do a very good job defending against them. Kesler on the 2nd line RW is no good because, even as he stated himself, when he's put in an offensive role his game goes down the drain.

A 3rd line checking line of Burrows-Kesler-Pettinger should not be changed. Maybe a different winger instead of Pettinger, but Burrows-Kesler on the 3rd line is a staple.

Edler Von Gud

04-07-2008, 12:14 AM

The checking line gets a lot of minutes because they're matched against the other teams top lines, and they do a very good job defending against them. Kesler on the 2nd line RW is no good because, even as he stated himself, when he's put in an offensive role his game goes down the drain.

A 3rd line checking line of Burrows-Kesler-Pettinger should not be changed. Maybe a different winger instead of Pettinger, but Burrows-Kesler on the 3rd line is a staple.

So are you happy with scoring 2.5 goals a game? No offense but a 25-30 pt winger, a 40 point centre, and 25-30 pt winger shouldn't be getting a ton of ice time. A line like that should be getting 12-13 minutes a game. I like Kesler and think it would be a waste to play him 12-13 minutes so that's why I think it would be smart to move him to 2nd line RW where he will get 15-16 minutes and his speed/shot will be better utilized. I like Burrows but he should be playing 10-12 minutes a game, not the 15-16-17 minutes he's recieved most of the year. If this team had Datysuk/Zetterberg type players then Burrows/Kesler third line could work, but we don't so we need to build a deep offense that relies on three lines to score.

Barney Gumble

04-07-2008, 12:18 AM

but we don't so we need to build a deep offense that relies on three lines to score.
Think it's a bit optimistic to go from having only one scoring line to three in the span of one off-season. I'd be content with two real scoring lines and one decent checking line.

Pauser

04-07-2008, 12:22 AM

So are you happy with scoring 2.5 goals a game? No offense but a 25-30 pt winger, a 40 point centre, and 25-30 pt winger shouldn't be getting a ton of ice time. A line like that should be getting 12-13 minutes a game. I like Kesler and think it would be a waste to play him 12-13 minutes so that's why I think it would be smart to move him to 2nd line RW where he will get 15-16 minutes and his speed/shot will be better utilized. I like Burrows but he should be playing 10-12 minutes a game, not the 15-16-17 minutes he's recieved most of the year. If this team had Datysuk/Zetterberg type players then Burrows/Kesler third line could work, but we don't so we need to build a deep offense that relies on three lines to score.

Like I said, when Kesler is put in an offensive role he struggles. Ofcourse I want this team to have more offense...there is 60 minutes in a game. I'm sure the top line can play 20 minutes, the 2nd line 17, the 3rd line 15 and the 4th line 8. That gives the 3rd line quite a bit of minutes solely against the other teams top lines. Ofcourse there will be some overlap and they wouldn't be out there for every single shift, but for the majority of the shifts.